No link between vaccine & autism... CASE CLOSED!!!

[level1online]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/09/03/measles.autism/index.html

In a recent study, it was found that the link between autism & vaccines does not exist.

Here's a few little excerpt's from the article:

"This really puts this issue to bed," said Andy Shih, vice president for scientific affairs of "Autism Speaks," an advocacy group.

Dr. William Schaffner, vaccine expert and chairman of preventive medicine at Vanderbilt University, called the study results "conclusive."

They also said they found no relationship between the timing of the vaccine and children getting GI disorders or autism.

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I urge all of my loyal homies: mykevermin, redvsblue, bigdaddy, joiletjake, liquid2, evanft, koggit, spazx etc, etc.

PLEASE! I urge you all, Give or at least start planning to give your children vaccines ASAP!!! Double the dose... hold on... TRIPLE THE DOSE! It's good for them. It's for their safety.

Also I highly recommend the HPV vaccine for all your daugters. Studies also show that the mercury in the vaccines might raise the IQ of your child. Also, unfiltered tap water with high levels of fluoride will give your children beautiful smiles.

BTW, Winter season is right around the corner. Have you taken your Flu vaccine yet? or plan to? Here's a link to Walgreen's Flu Center: http://www.walgreens.com/library/centers/flu/default.jsp?ban=mar_flu_october_home

Sign up today, or ask your employer. It's vital.

[bigdaddy]

I think you need to take some pills, or stop taking some pills. Ask your doctor for which you need to do.

[fatherofcaitlyn]

My mother-in-law's doctor fixed her up real good because of her manic depression.

He put her on 4 dopamine inhibitors.

After a year of seizures and falling down randomly, she developed Neuroleptic Malignant Syndrome.

After a restful 5 day coma during which her temperature reached 106.7 or so degrees F a few different times and we were advised to say goodbye, she woke up. Although she was able to remember most people's faces and names, she lost all memory of her life's events for the past 30+ years. Physically, she is mobile while holding onto a walker.

Of course, she is old ... about 55.

Remember, ladies and gents, you don't have to face your problems if you take your lithium.

[level1online]

I think you need to take some pills, or stop taking some pills. Ask your doctor for which you need to do.

my doctor says that anyone who calls them self "bigdaddy" might have a littledaddy problem. he suggests viagra.... and more flu shots.

[RAMSTORIA]

My mother-in-law's doctor fixed her up real good because of her manic depression.

He put her on 4 dopamine inhibitors.

After a year of seizures and falling down randomly, she developed Neuroleptic Malignant Syndrome.

After a restful 5 day coma during which her temperature reached 106.7 or so degrees F a few different times and we were advised to say goodbye, she woke up. Although she was able to remember most people's faces and names, she lost all memory of her life's events for the past 30+ years. Physically, she is mobile while holding onto a walker.

Of course, she is old ... about 55.

Remember, ladies and gents, you don't have to face your problems if you take your lithium.

True story?

I work with Medicare and deal with a lot of patients, doctors etc and I hear stories similar to this far too often. Benzos are scary.

[level1online]

mercury is good for you. the news said so. they care about me. they would never lie to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZArebYZzdc

[SpazX]

Yeah, well there isn't a link. This is just the "all doctors and scientists are in a conspiracy against you and your children" post right?

[level1online]

This is just the "all doctors and scientists are in a conspiracy against you and your children" post right?

Absolutely not. I actually have now become PRO-vaccine after taking a look at this study.

I just signed up my whole family for the flu shot, especially my 2 year old niece. Also, today I convinced my 15 yr old cousin to take the HPV shot. She was a little scared of taking it, but I sent her a pamphlet from Merck pharmaceutical, and now everything is A-Ok.

[The Crotch]

Wow.

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You're... mildly irritating.

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You know what else is mildly irritating? Getting vaccinated.

Coincidence? Hardly. My conclusion: Level1online gives your unborn children autism.

[level1online]

Wow.

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You're... mildly irritating.



My doctor says they got creme for that.

[fatherofcaitlyn]

True story?

I work with Medicare and deal with a lot of patients, doctors etc and I hear stories similar to this far too often. Benzos are scary.

Not completely. I asked my wife. Her mother is 53.

Also, I forgot to mention that she lost the ability to read and write.

[fatherofcaitlyn]

Level1, is there a link to the actual data from the study or is there simply a news article stating the conclusions of the study?

Isn't autism a new catchall for a defective kid like ADD or ADHD are?

[RAMSTORIA]

Isn't autism a new catchall for a defective kid like ADD or ADHD are?

Yes.

[SpazX]

Isn't autism a new catchall for a defective kid like ADD or ADHD are?

If you're talking to an annoying parent/lazy doctor it is (pretty much like ADD).

[Koggit]

To be honest I'm just impressed; level1 finally made a post that wasn't copy-pasted from Prison Planet.

[RAMSTORIA]

To be honest I'm just impressed; level1 finally made a post that wasn't copy-pasted from Prison Planet.

It did seem alcohol fueled though. (This one is too, good thing the forums aren't hoppin' right now because I could post a rant and a half)

[Liquid 2]

I urge all of my loyal homies: mykevermin, redvsblue, bigdaddy, joiletjake, liquid2, evanft, koggit, spazx etc, etc.I would never be so foolish as to not vaccinate my child, or believe unfounded claims about vaccines and autism. :-|

[camoor]

Apologies to levelone, but on this one I couldn't resist...


Number 2: I'll be blunt. Your web page has stumbled upon our secret plan.
Homer: That's impossible. All my stories are bullplop. Bullplop!
Number 2: Don't be cute. I'm referring to the flu shot expose. You see we're the ones loading them with mind-controlling additives.
Homer: But why?
Number 2: To drive people into a frenzy of shopping. That's why flu shots are given just before Christmas.
Homer: Of course. It's so simple... Wait, no it's not. It's needlessly complicated.
Number 2: Yes it is. And we can't have you out there mucking it up, now, can we?
Homer: No, sir.
Number 2: That's a good boy. Let's get you some ice cream.
[a bowl of ice cream and hypodermic syringes rises
from within the table]

[fatherofcaitlyn]

Back in 1993, I wrote a term paper in English Composition about 80% of lyme disease diagnoses being incorrect.

I wonder what the percentages on autism, ADD and ADHD are.

[Ikohn4ever]

i stopped using water to brush my teeth, all that shit added to it, now i use coke, thanx level1 for showing me the truth

[level1online]

I would never be so foolish as to not vaccinate my child, or believe unfounded claims about vaccines and autism. :-|

Exactly! I'm so glad to hear you have vaccinated your child. Will you and your child be taking the flu shot next month?

The flu season is coming up and I'd hate to miss a day of work. I'm excited about taking my flu shot.

Level1, is there a link to the actual data from the study or is there simply a news article stating the conclusions of the study?


Wait.... what data?

[JolietJake]

So you'd rather people not take vaccines and let those diseases for which the vaccines exist just spread? A large number of people die from influenza every year, how many are hurt by the vaccine?

[SpazX]

So you'd rather people not take vaccines and let those diseases for which the vaccines exist just spread? A large number of people die from influenza every year, how many are hurt by the vaccine?

Don't you know, vaccines don't do anything, they're a lie perpetrated by the government in association with big pharma.

Training your immune system to recognize viruses in much the same way that your immune system is trained to recognize viruses after it has been infected naturally? That has to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

[fatherofcaitlyn]

Just so we know what diseases are being vaccinated for:

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/downloads/child/2008/08_0-6yrs_schedule_pr.pdf

and I think this is the data (I haven't read it thoroughly):

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0003140

and something interesting from a biased source:

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal.htm

Since 2001, with the exception of some influenza (flu) vaccines, thimerosal is not used as a preservative in routinely recommended childhood vaccines.

[thrustbucket]

Nice. This reminds me of when Michael Savage was vilified a couple months ago for basically saying most cases of Autism were made up as a catch-all phrase. I have no opinion on the matter though.

Level1online, so when are we getting a thread about the known aggression inhibitor Fluoride, and the conspiracy's pushing it into our water systems? :)

[SpazX]

Nice. This reminds me of when Michael Savage was vilified a couple months ago for basically saying most cases of Autism were made up as a catch-all phrase. I have no opinion on the matter though.

You're too kind to Mr. Savage. Certainly 99% of autism diagnosed children aren't brats who've never been told to behave.

Developmental behavioral disorders are hard to diagnose. A number of children diagnosed with ADD are found rather to have Asperger's. There are plenty of parents who are unwilling to deal with their children other than with drugs and so they'll shop around for a doctor until they get one who will prescribe some to them, but that doesn't negate the reality of ADD/ADHD and autism. It's not like it's a virus or something with definite, easily recognizable symptoms.

[thrustbucket]

Oh I agree with you SpazX. Those disabilities are real and do exist. But you hit the nail on the head, many parents today will shop their unruly kid around to doctors until they find one that will medicate the kid to make him manageable.

[Koggit]

I always thought autistic = retarded. Like, I thought "autistic" was the PC term for 'tard.

Hmph. Oh well. Good thing it's not important.

[level1online]

So you'd rather people not take vaccines and let those diseases for which the vaccines exist just spread? A large number of people die from influenza every year, how many are hurt by the vaccine?

Read my opening post. I was not being sarcastic. I want you all to give your children, especially newborns, vaccines. There is no eugenics conspiracy.

[ITDEFX]

I like how you think level1online!

[fatherofcaitlyn]

Oh I agree with you SpazX. Those disabilities are real and do exist. But you hit the nail on the head, many parents today will shop their unruly kid around to doctors until they find one that will medicate the kid to make him manageable.

Most adults don't "get" children. You have to make children manageable with (the back of) your own two hands and a partner so you can tag out when you think prison sex can't be as painful as a two year old's scream in a small bathroom.

[seanr1221]

With all these misdiagnosed kids running around, I sure hope I receive one as a client!

It would make my job a thousand times easier.

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I've always been under the impression that the vaccine argument had to do with the thimerosal which USED to be in the MMR shot. I skimmed the article but didn't see it mentioned.

[lilboo]

I'm confused as I can't tell if some posts are being sarcastic.. :lol:

People really don't vaccinate themselves kids? aka like getting a flu shot in the beginning of the year? Honestly I haven't since I was younger, but I never thought this was such a bad thing? :-k

What about those other shots that the doctor asks you when you go for your physical? Like those hepatitis shots and a few others.

[fatherofcaitlyn]

I'm confused as I can't tell if some posts are being sarcastic.. :lol:

People really don't vaccinate themselves kids? aka like getting a flu shot in the beginning of the year? Honestly I haven't since I was younger, but I never thought this was such a bad thing? :-k

What about those other shots that the doctor asks you when you go for your physical? Like those hepatitis shots and a few others.

On some mothering boards my wife frequents, there are "granola" moms who among other things do not get their children vaccinated.

The flu shot isn't critical to me. I haven't had one before. By the time I might go for one, there is a shortage and the government is advising only children and elderly to get a shot.

[blandstalker]

People really don't vaccinate themselves kids? aka like getting a flu shot in the beginning of the year? Honestly I haven't since I was younger, but I never thought this was such a bad thing? :-k

Okay, there's a lot going on here. To summarize:

There is a population of people, including parents, who believe vaccines are evil, unhealthy, are part of a conspiracy, or are unnecessary.

There is a (very small) population of people whose kids have been harmed (in a provable way) by vaccines. To be absolutely clear: this population has nothing to do with autism. Vaccines are generally safe, but even a one in a million chance of side effects will affect that one person out of a million.

Around 1999, after a study found a possible link between vaccines and autism, the rumor that vaccines caused autism spread like wildfire. I heard it first hand, and it was spread by people who meant well but didn't really know what to make of it. Nobody wants to give their kid autism, and the research on what caused it, or the possibility that vaccines might be involved, was not conclusive.

Some sources claimed it was mercury. Others claimed that the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) was simply too much at once for certain kids who were more susceptible. There were other variations, too.

This was a compelling rumor for a couple of reasons. First is that autism begins to manifest symptoms during the first year, but usually in the later part of the first year. A child will appear perfectly healthy, but then not talk, or develop behaviors. The obvious interpretation is that the child was healthy, but something happened. As vaccines are the only medical procedure that the vast majority of babies need during the first year, vaccines became the suspect.

Second is that the first year of a child's life can be very stressful on parents, who are typically sleep-deprived and overly protective. Whatever the risk is, no matter how unlikely or dumb it seems, new parents want to convince themselves that they've done everything possible to protect their kids.

I personally discussed it with my son's doctor, although I did a lot of research first and I had no intention on withholding vaccinations from my son.

Looking at my son's vaccination card, he had 14 vaccinations during his first year, not counting the MMR. That's not 14 shots (thankfully for him). These protected him from polio, diptheria, tetanus, hepatitis, chicken pox, rotavirus (stomach bugs), and others. Some of these -- measles, chicken pox, rotavirii -- still kill children every year in the U.S.

Nevertheless, some parents don't vaccinate their kids. Others delay the vaccinations for a little while.

Flu shots are a little different. For awhile, they weren't recommended for kids. Now I believe they are, for certain ages. Flu shots are a bit of a gamble in that they protect against what is likely to be the strains of flu that get spread around, but there's really no way of knowing what will and won't be transmitted. Personally, I get a flu shot every year.

Oh I agree with you SpazX. Those disabilities are real and do exist. But you hit the nail on the head, many parents today will shop their unruly kid around to doctors until they find one that will medicate the kid to make him manageable.

There will always be bad parents, but I would argue that "most" parents don't want their kids on medication, or want it only as a last resort. Medications have to be balanced and monitored, and often have undesirable side-effects. Some parents time medications so they only are active during the school day.

[Richlough]

On some mothering boards my wife frequents, there are "granola" moms who among other things do not get their children vaccinated.

The flu shot isn't critical to me. I haven't had one before. By the time I might go for one, there is a shortage and the government is advising only children and elderly to get a shot.

I wonder why the government would waste the nano-bots on the elderly ?

Oh well , eventually they'll be caught up with everyone .

[lowgear26]

Level1, is there a link to the actual data from the study or is there simply a news article stating the conclusions of the study?

Isn't autism a new catchall for a defective kid like ADD or ADHD are?

Funny....IT is treated the same way. I have a daughter with Autism and when you tell a doctor about it.....they just assume, as a parent, you are labeling your child.

Autism is real and is in need of research as it is an actual problem and is getting worse.

[willardhaven]

Why do people get chicken pox vaccines again? Isn't it part of being a kid?

[Photomotoz]

Why do people get chicken pox vaccines again? Isn't it part of being a kid?

It makes me angry that kids nowadays will not have to suffer as I once did.

Also, level1, where are the hordes of autistic children?

[MSI Magus]

Level1, is there a link to the actual data from the study or is there simply a news article stating the conclusions of the study?

Isn't autism a new catchall for a defective kid like ADD or ADHD are?

It can tend to be. I personally hate freaking labels and think you should treat the symptoms not the label. When I was about 20 or so I was labled with aspergers syndrom which is a mild form of autism and now im actually legally considered a "high functioning autistic"(or as my fiancee teases me, mildly retarded). My mom is a big autism nut who hates vacines and always insisted I was autistic so I wasnt suprised. What I hated was from that day on every solution people tried to give me to the issues I face had to do with freaking autism. And every god damn time I did something stupid it was because I was autistic.

I think issues like this one really suck because the thing is there is a growing problem in America be it with autism or just "defect" children....but not a God damn thing is done about it because people are too busy bickering over the fucking lables. I slipped through the cracks and iv had a harder and scary life because of it(and dont get me wrong I blame myself for alot too). I see other kids like myself all the time and I see their parents labeling them with things or accepting doctors labels because they think it makes their lives easier and it simply isnt the truth. As I said be it with autism or something else there is a growing epidemic in this nation when it comes to our youth and most people dont even realize it and sadly even if I was given the brain to spot problems like this I wasnt given the tools(I continue to try and obtain them but its hard with a late start).

P.S - I dont think that Autism is being caused by vaccines, however I do feel we over vaccinate our children and ourselves nowadays. I mean jesus christ people get yearly shots to fight a god damn flu nowadays.

[level1online]

It makes me angry that kids nowadays will not have to suffer as I once did.

Also, level1, where are the hordes of autistic children?

EXACLTY!!! If there INDEED was a link, there would hordes of autistic children running around!

But one thing that makes me scratch my head is how come certain groups of children who have taken ZERO vaccines, like say The Amish, have little to no cases of autism?

I found this crazy, crazy article from these conspiracy tards:
http://www.infowars.com/articles/science/autism_none_for_unvaccinated_amish.htm

[fatherofcaitlyn]

EXACLTY!!! If there INDEED was a link, there would hordes of autistic children running around!

But one thing that makes me scratch my head is how come certain groups of children who have taken ZERO vaccines, like say The Amish, have little to no cases of autism?

I found this crazy, crazy article from these conspiracy tards:
http://www.infowars.com/articles/science/autism_none_for_unvaccinated_amish.htm


Poor access to medical resources and doctors acting as enablers?

[blandstalker]

But one thing that makes me scratch my head is how come certain groups of children who have taken ZERO vaccines, like say The Amish, have little to no cases of autism?


The Amish don't drive cars, either. Should we blame Ford for autism?

How about fast food? Video games? Cell phones?

[blandstalker]

Why do people get chicken pox vaccines again? Isn't it part of being a kid?

Chicken pox can kill you. For most kids, it's an unpleasant illness. But, even if you go to one of the anti-vaccine sites, you'll see that the number of deaths of children from chicken pox in one year is more than the number of cases of complications from the vaccine since it's been introduced.

The big sticking point for a chicken pox vaccine is that chicken pox is milder in kids than in adults. Meaning, if you get the vaccine as a kid, you may end up getting a nastier version (aka shingles) as an adult.

However, it's still a matter of balancing risks and benefits. Chicken pox does kill children, it's extremely nasty for pregnant women, and you can get shingles even if you had chicken pox as a kid.


P.S - I dont think that Autism is being caused by vaccines, however I do feel we over vaccinate our children and ourselves nowadays. I mean jesus christ people get yearly shots to fight a god damn flu nowadays.

Flu can kill you, and it kills people every year. Ever have a really bad flu?

Flu shots are kind of a crap shoot, though, because they only protect against what is likely to be the strains that will get the most action. There's really no way to know in advance.

There's an extra reason why you might want to get a flu shot, though. There's now a nasty strain of staph that's passed by skin contact that, paired with the flu, is especially deadly.

[MSI Magus]

Chicken pox can kill you. For most kids, it's an unpleasant illness. But, even if you go to one of the anti-vaccine sites, you'll see that the number of deaths of children from chicken pox in one year is more than the number of cases of complications from the vaccine since it's been introduced.

The big sticking point for a chicken pox vaccine is that chicken pox is milder in kids than in adults. Meaning, if you get the vaccine as a kid, you may end up getting a nastier version (aka shingles) as an adult.

However, it's still a matter of balancing risks and benefits. Chicken pox does kill children, it's extremely nasty for pregnant women, and you can get shingles even if you had chicken pox as a kid.



Flu can kill you, and it kills people every year. Ever have a really bad flu?

Flu shots are kind of a crap shoot, though, because they only protect against what is likely to be the strains that will get the most action. There's really no way to know in advance.

There's an extra reason why you might want to get a flu shot, though. There's now a nasty strain of staph that's passed by skin contact that, paired with the flu, is especially deadly.

Ever hear that the more you get sick the more immunity and strength you build against said illness. These vacines are just stupid. I guarantee someone who gets the vaccine all the time is more likely to die then someone that doesn't because if they do get sick they will have zero immunity.

[SpazX]

Ever hear that the more you get sick the more immunity and strength you build against said illness. These vacines are just stupid. I guarantee someone who gets the vaccine all the time is more likely to die then someone that doesn't because if they do get sick they will have zero immunity.

Dude that's what vaccines are for. Instead of contracting the virus naturally you inject an inactive version and your body builds up an immunity against it without the negative effects of the full-blown virus.

[camoor]

Dude that's what vaccines are for. Instead of contracting the virus naturally you inject an inactive version and your body builds up an immunity against it without the negative effects of the full-blown virus.

Exactly.

I think one of the biggest dangers to public health is a combination of ignorance and hubris.

I once overheard this guy at work: he was talking about how he took half of the antibiotics the doctor told him to take, felt better, and threw the rest of them away. He specifically said he didn't care what the doctor said, because he felt better and he knew he was cured, and didn't want to suffer the side-effects of taking too much medicine.

Now - I will say that far too often doctors overstress the importance of drugs and underplay the importance of eating right, exercising, reducing stress, ecetera. But antibiotics and vaccinations are a doc's home turf - if you haven't undertaken 7+ years of medical training then who the hell are you to question their authority.

Level1, I often think you bring a fresh perspective to these forums, but this is one of the only times I'm going to tell you that I think you're dead wrong on this and you're only hurting yourself by trusting this blog. This isn't the government you're talking about, this is the medical profession, and from what I've seen there would be a sizable contingency of whistle-blowers if vaccinations were truly proven to be this dangerous.

[SpazX]

camoor that anecdote kind of reminds me of my gf's mom. She has a prescription for some blood pressure medication and she'll take one pill (as she's supposed to), then the next morning her blood pressure will be good, so she thinks she doesn't need the medication and she'll take half a pill, then the next day her blood pressure will be higher so she'll take a whole pill, etc.

Medication works by keeping a certain level of it in your body continuously. It's beyond me how she doesn't connect the fact that she didn't take enough medication to her higher blood pressure...

[camoor]

camoor that anecdote kind of reminds me of my gf's mom. She has a prescription for some blood pressure medication and she'll take one pill (as she's supposed to), then the next morning her blood pressure will be good, so she thinks she doesn't need the medication and she'll take half a pill, then the next day her blood pressure will be higher so she'll take a whole pill, etc.

Medication works by keeping a certain level of it in your body continuously. It's beyond me how she doesn't connect the fact that she didn't take enough medication to her higher blood pressure...

That's terrible. Another thing I find is that people who do this kind of thing will not listen to reason.

A pet peeve of mine are people who think they know better about medication - especially antibiotics. Some bacterial diseases that we used to be able to cure have been evolving and can now beat many of the milder antibiotics.

People who take half their antibiotic medicine can contribute by breeding these bacteria superbugs that learn how to beat the medication. Over-prescribing of antibiotics by weak-willed physicians worn down by screaming soccer moms not listening to reason because they know better then a doc when it comes to their child are also contributing to the problem.

[seanr1221]

It makes me angry that kids nowadays will not have to suffer as I once did.

Also, level1, where are the hordes of autistic children?

Contact your local school district.