Nintendo announces....a wifi adapter

[Strell]

Article over at GoNintendo (http://gonintendo.com/?p=55140)

Original Famitsu Link (http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/1217892_1124.html)

Costs 60 bucks, only has one LAN port, and has an option for wireless bridging.

Seems almost completely worthless, unless this somehow resolves all the bullshit 86420 errors I get when I try to play Smash Bros online with certain people.

Unless I find out there's a hard drive sandwiched in there, and the harddrive is sentient and can stoke my balls, I fail to see the reason for this.

On a somewhat related note, NoA said they might go ahead and package WiiSpeak in with Animal Crossing for a nominal fee - $70 for the package. I still think they should just eat the cost and send it out with the game for free, but I think a lot of things.

[CouRageouS]

Dev Team : "This is what we think our HD should look like."

Japanese guy in charge : "WTF dude? The soccer moms/grannies haven't even gone online yet, turn that bitch into a wifi router and make sure to toss some friend codes in it"

Dev Team : *collective sigh* "A thousand apologies"

Japanese guy in charge : *crosses arms, arrogantly nods head in satifaction*

[Casiotech]

another worthless accessory.

[Sir_Fragalot]

So Nintendo made a god damn modem?

What the fuck if wrong with you assholes?

[wii skiier]

so much anger here

[Snake2715]

The thing I don't get and its really going to hurt the Nintendo fans...


Almost all printed articles I have read, and apparently the Nintendo Reps responses on E3 all lead me to believe that the "core" Nintendo gamer wanted more of Metroid, and Zelda....

Those games are great, that doesn't mean that the hard"core" gamers wanted just those titles... its beyond stupid of them to think that they need no other new Ip's Zelda is great, but give us some other titles to look forward to.

I know this is unrelated on the surface, but its like what the hell Nintendo. Maybe they should not be leading the console race again.

[StinkyCheese]

..hey! Submitted by KingBroly? Sound familiar ;)?

[crunchewy]

Is it suppose to be easier to set up? If it is, then it could be worth the price. A lot of wireless routers are a pain in the ass. If this is easier, then it's not so bad, even a good thing. If it's just another linksys with Nintendo and some white plastic slapped on it, rip off.

[Strell]

Almost all printed articles I have read, and apparently the Nintendo Reps responses on E3 all lead me to believe that the "core" Nintendo gamer wanted more of Metroid, and Zelda....

Those games are great, that doesn't mean that the hard"core" gamers wanted just those titles... its beyond stupid of them to think that they need no other new Ip's Zelda is great, but give us some other titles to look forward to.


You're going to have to point out to me where Nintendo said they were making more Zelda games. What they said - quite specifically, and at least two or three times by now - is that "the Zelda team has been reassembled and is working on something."

Otherwise, your argument has absolutely nothing to do with this topic and I don't know why you're bringing it up.

Beyond that, this is a ridiculous thing to say. Of course people who care for nothing but shooters and gore don't want Zelda, and they never will. Meanwhile there's a host of people who DO want Zelda games.

This is kind of like saying Microsoft shouldn't only make Halo games because they need more than just Halo games.

Also, absolutely none of this has anything to do with being a market leader.

[Snake2715]

Strell,

Its not really related to this at all actually. However it shows that again they are catering to the new demographic they created and not so much on the base of wii owners. I say that meaning they have known about the storage issue and until recently denied it. Instead they go out and drop another router when they had the wireless USB dongles at or near wii launch.

When your the market leader you get support from third parties and as much as I feel there have been some great games on the system its like anything and everything goes on the wii with no accountability. Its selling, so obviously the main concern now is to build that cash chest up, but for the core/base gamer I am really feeling like they don't get it.

Recently in Forbes this was said by Iwata:

"If there is any perception that Nintendo is ignoring the core gamers, it's a misunderstanding and we really want to get rid of that misunderstanding by any means," says Iwata. "We are sorry about [the E3] media briefings, specifically for those who were expecting to see Nintendo show something about 'Super Mario' or 'Legend of Zelda.'

"However, the fact of the matter is the so-called 'big titles' need a long, long development period. ... We really didn't think this year's E3 media briefing was the time to do so."

So basically thats saying yes we are bringing more of these games out, but its a few years away. Meaning again that they most likely recently started production on them...

My question is why are they simply not doing more to grow the IP's or bring back franchises of the past. I mean Mario is great and so is Zelda. One or two a cycle is fine by me. But what else is in there for the core gamer? They think that we just want Mario/Zelda, and Animal Crossing? Even Pikmin would be nice, but besides Disaster Day of Crisis what else do they have coming.

I hope that they do have more and have decided to not show it all just yet, but they should be putting some stuff out to expand the core and not just expand the new demographic.

I love N, but sometimes they have their heads up their asses. You bringing up this $60 Wifi adapter up, and them thinking that the core gamer was mad only because they didn't show another Mario or Zelda just goes to show that they don't always know what to do with their new found market position.

Maybe its just me, but I expected the Wii to really bring out new Ip's not just waggle tacked on to existing franchises, which has been fun no doubt. Obviously if they leave the new IP's up to the thrid parties we are going to continue to get shit on.

[Strell]

Strell,

Its not really related to this at all actually. However it shows that again they are catering to the new demographic they created and not so much on the base of wii owners. I say that meaning they have known about the storage issue and until recently denied it. Instead they go out and drop another router when they had the wireless USB dongles at or near release.

People hate the insane prices of the HDs on the 360, to say nothing of the official USB adapter. People hated the Sixaxis, even though rumble is hardly something to get upset about.

In other words, peripherals mean shit to the gaming community because we're never going to be happy with proprietary solutions.

Meanwhile, the storage problem has been debated to death and beyond in tons of threads. Bringing it up here to try and make a non-sequiter point - when really all you are doing is complaining - is just silly.


When your the market leader you get support from third parties and as much as I feel there have been some great games on the system its like anything and everything goes on the wii with no accountability. Its selling so obviously the main concern now is to build that cash chest up, but for the core/base gamer I am really feeling like they don't get it.

You don't get support if A) certain companies staunchly refuse for ....whatever reasons they have, and B) if a good number of them all thought the system would fail within a year and thus didn't want to develop resources. How many companies have come out and said they should have adopted developer earlier?

Likewise, how many companies are very clearly using the system to make quick cash and then turn the profits around to fuel other projects for the 360/PS3? Which is a dick move to do in terms of tact, but I guess makes total sense business-wise.

The core/base gamer not being happy? That's fine. That has nothing to do with the arguments you are putting up - you're barely connecting them.


So basically thats saying yes we are bringing more of these games out, but its a few years away. Meaning again that they most likely recently started production on them...

Is that probably the case? Probably. Is it definitely the case? No.


My question is why are they simply not doing more to grow the IP's or bring back franchises of the past. I mean Mario is great and so is Zelda. One or two a cycle is fine by me. But what else is in there for the core gamer? They think that we just want Mario/Zelda, and Animal Crossing? Even Pikmin would be nice, but besides Disaster Day of Crisis what else do they have coming.

Nothing. What, you expect an argument on this? It's pretty clear they don't have anything coming for this year, and instead are trying to alleviate the problem that everyone loves to pull out, in that "third parties can't sell on a Nintendo platform."

So now they try to resolve that and yet everyone still complains?

Look, you're acting like I don't agree with the lack of compelling titles here, because I'm not. But at the same time you're ignoring a bunch of core games that HAVE come out that Nintendo predominantly aims at the Japanese crowd, but that translate fairly well over here. And beyond that, everyone likes to dismiss a lot of their titles simply on the basis that there is no blood or gore. Fire Emblem is a good example. Same with Battallion Wars.

And they HAVE new IP. Captain Rainbow. Or is this one of those arguments where it's a moving target, and suddenly that's not a new-enough IP, or it's not a core-gamer IP, or something that makes it a non-legit IP, and instead is somehow "the same stuff over and over" even when it's clearly not?

Note what I am saying here - I am NOT saying that will appease the "core" gamer. I am merely pointing out it is indeed a new IP.

You bringing up this $60 Wifi adapter up, and them thinking that the core gamer was mad only because they didn't show another Mario or Zelda just goes to show that they don't always know what to do with their new found market share.

The wifi adapter is silly but I'm sure it'll make them some cash, so it's another gamer-perception versus business thing.

Not knowing what to do with their new found market share? With the way the games and systems are flying off the shelves?

That's an even worse argument than the chestnut "the N64 wasn't a failure because it sold 30 million+ world wide." It's something you can say, but you sort of wince when you say it.


Maybe its just me, but I expected the Wii to really bring out new Ip's not just waggle tacked on to existing franchises, which has been fun no doubt.

WiiMotionPlus. Let's see if it actually does anything neat before we start complaining the same tired stuff in a thread that really has absolutely nothing to do with the dead horses we're all so apparently intent on flaying.

[DAWG26]

^ = fanboy.

[Strell]

Because I make good arguments?

Nice one.

[wii skiier]

^^=directionless anger and many negative superlatives

[StinkyCheese]

When Strell rants, boy does he rant.

[Casiotech]

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=225555

for those of you who haven't seen this...

[Casiotech]

I was going to say a bunch of stuff but the last time I did that, my thread got deleted for no reason.

[SpazX]

Weird

[help1]

Remember, the 360 costs less then the pisspoor Wii now.

[Casiotech]

I can't wait for a new Factor 5 release. SW:RL back in 2001 looks better than half the 360 games today.

Too bad there are only a handful of good games released to date.

[munch]

Remember, the 360 costs less then the pisspoor Wii now.

Awesome post! Thanks for coming to the Wii forum to give your opinion that everyone wants to hear.

[Casiotech]

did he strike a nerve?

[dyeknom]

Remember, the 360 costs less then the pisspoor Wii now.

Your opinion is valid and you make excellent points. I will go purchase one based on your glowing recommendation. Thank you for your contribution.

[Snake2715]

Wow,

Strell i really messed this thread up with my bitch fest. I am here at work thinking about why I cant experience some new Ip's from N.

I did forget about Captain rainbow though so thats good news. I think you may have thought I was running down the path of these last few posters and just trying to troll. It was not my intent.

I read the wifi adapter and your remark about storage and just let out a little cry, on these threads.

No one is ever going to get everyone, its just that I was really hoping that Nintendo could really claim that top spot for both demographics.

[ZForce]

Nintendo's missing the point IMO. I as a long time Nintendo fan, am not upset because Nintendo didn't announce a new Mario or Zelda or Metroid. I'm upset because everything they announced was aimed at their new "casual" audience and not one new game for the Wii that I was excited about was announced. After Samba De Amigo and Wario Land Shake it come out, there's NOTHING officially announced for the Wii that I give two shits about.

[Casiotech]

Wow,

Strell i really messed this thread up with my bitch fest. I am here at work thinking about why I cant experience some new Ip's from N.

I did forget about Captain rainbow though so thats good news. I think you may have thought I was running down the path of these last few posters and just trying to troll. It was not my intent.

I read the wifi adapter and your remark about storage and just let out a little cry, on these threads.

No one is ever going to get everyone, its just that I was really hoping that Nintendo could really claim that top spot for both demographics.




Based on the Wii and GC, it's unlikely nintendo will ever hold the top spot for 'both' demographics.

[Casiotech]

Nintendo's missing the point IMO. I as a long time Nintendo fan, am not upset because Nintendo didn't announce a new Mario or Zelda or Metroid. I'm upset because everything they announced was aimed at their new "casual" audience and not one new game for the Wii that I was excited about was announced. After Samba De Amigo and Wario Land Shake it come out, there's NOTHING officially announced for the Wii that I give two shits about.

You really should have known you wouldn't get another SMG, the metroid team said MP3 would be their last Metroid game and Zelda games are few and far between their usual lineup but it is the game most likely to come out soonest based on past releases.

[depascal22]

So instead of bitching about it, why don't you guys do something? Make a petition or *gasp* go get a 360 or PS3. Use the only thing that companies really respect. That would be your wallet.

All I ever hear these days is how video game companies don't cater to ME. Why don't they make the games I want? How can they be so stupid? Get over it please. The Wii has and will be a casual gaming system that caters to casual gamers. End of story and rant.

This wifi adaptor might be good for people that want to hook up wirelessly. That's kind of what a wifi adaptor is for, isn't it? I don't know much about it yet but if it's not something I need, I just won't buy it.

[MP77]

So instead of bitching about it, why don't you guys do something? Make a petition or *gasp* go get a 360 or PS3. Use the only thing that companies really respect. That would be your wallet.

All I ever hear these days is how video game companies don't cater to ME. Why don't they make the games I want? How can they be so stupid? Get over it please. The Wii has and will be a casual gaming system that caters to casual gamers. End of story and rant.

This wifi adaptor might be good for people that want to hook up wirelessly. That's kind of what a wifi adaptor is for, isn't it? I don't know much about it yet but if it's not something I need, I just won't buy it.

I dare say you're missing the point of the original post. Nintendo has used resources to make their own WiFi adapter when there's a litany of viable WiFi adapters out there that the public can easily use to get their Wii online. Was there a problem with people getting online with those made by Linksys, Netgear, etc? No, probably not. Yet at the same time there's no storage solution offered by the big N and there's no third party option. Hence the frustration is why spend time/resources on creating solutions for things that aren't a problem when in fact there's still a problem out there that hasn't been addressed.

[lilboo]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v297/Einzell/wat-1.jpg

They are spending time to make this?
That's fine. Now where's my HDD or solution? :wall:

[depascal22]

I'm not missing the point of the original post. I'm sure if it was a big problem, Nintendo would've already addressed it. They've said for a long time, that a hard drive is not a priority. All of us CAGs would like to have a hard drive but Nintendo has to look at how much money would go into developing a hard drive versus developing a wifi adaptor. Hell, they probably just modified Linksys' adaptor enough to get past patent law and plastered a Nintendo symbol on it. Voila. Easy money. A hard drive would take considerably more money and time to make. Besides, how many people in the general public really want a hard drive?

[Casiotech]

I dare say you're missing the point of the original post. Nintendo has used resources to make their own WiFi adapter when there's a litany of viable WiFi adapters out there that the public can easily use to get their Wii online. Was there a problem with people getting online with those made by Linksys, Netgear, etc? No, probably not. Yet at the same time there's no storage solution offered by the big N and there's no third party option. Hence the frustration is why spend time/resources on creating solutions for things that aren't a problem when in fact there's still a problem out there that hasn't been addressed.


yeah!!! What we really need are some wiifit water bottles and sweat bands.

oh? NM.

[Casiotech]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v297/Einzell/wat-1.jpg

They are spending time to make this?
That's fine. Now where's my HDD or solution? :wall:

as soon as nintendo releases a 20gb+ hdd and the ability to stream movies, my wii might actually get some playtime.

[lilboo]

Considering there's a handful of people here who need more space, and many different video game blog articles write about it---AND they get tons of responses/comments from people agreeing with it---I'd say there's enough demand for it to be made.

And really, if only 10% of Wii owners want a HDD that means only 10% of Wii owners use the download service ;)

[Strell]

yeah!!! What we really need are some wiifit water bottles and sweat bands.

oh? NM.

Wait....wait...

You actually think Nintendo makes those things?

Wow.

[Casiotech]

I'm not missing the point of the original post. I'm sure if it was a big problem, Nintendo would've already addressed it. They've said for a long time, that a hard drive is not a priority. All of us CAGs would like to have a hard drive but Nintendo has to look at how much money would go into developing a hard drive versus developing a wifi adaptor. Hell, they probably just modified Linksys' adaptor enough to get past patent law and plastered a Nintendo symbol on it. Voila. Easy money. A hard drive would take considerably more money and time to make. Besides, how many people in the general public really want a hard drive?

I think everyone wants a HDD. Hdd isn't a difficult piece of hardware to develop either. They could, like you said, modify a WD hdd enough to get past patent law and plaster a nintendo symbol on it. Easy money.

[Casiotech]

Wait....wait...

You actually think Nintendo makes those things?

Wow.

well gee, the fact their name is on it, I'm sure they had some part in approving such worthless garbage and royalties to be made.


:hot:

[dyeknom]

I dare say you're missing the point of the original post. Nintendo has used resources to make their own WiFi adapter when there's a litany of viable WiFi adapters out there that the public can easily use to get their Wii online. Was there a problem with people getting online with those made by Linksys, Netgear, etc? No, probably not. Yet at the same time there's no storage solution offered by the big N and there's no third party option. Hence the frustration is why spend time/resources on creating solutions for things that aren't a problem when in fact there's still a problem out there that hasn't been addressed.

The relative amount of time required in taking an already well-established market and painting the unit white and slapping an N on it is almost nil. Coloring the wi-fi adaptor as a situation of choosing one over the other (a hard disk) makes absolutely no sense.

The storage issue has been wrestled with for a long time, and will likely remain an issue for the near future. One of the reasons it hasn't been addressed is because there is no third party solution to it (fucking with their market is the best way to get their attention)... there's also N's nazi attitude regarding IP protection... but that aside... it has been said over and over that they are looking for solutions to the storage issue. So continuing to complain about it is just beating a dead horse.

[lilboo]

Casiotech, you need to stop trolling/thread crapping in these Wii threads. Not liking the Wii and disagreeing with Nintendo on several of their descisions is fine as it's your opinion, but you are just being obnoxious about it.

If you can't argue/debate this stuff a little more civil don't even bother at all.
Thanks.

I'm lilboo and I approve of this message

[Strell]

well gee, the fact their name is on it, I'm sure they had some part in approving such worthless garbage and royalties to be made.


:hot:

Wait....wait...

You actually think Nintendo makes those things?

Wow.

[depascal22]

dyeknom makes a good point. No one else has made a hard drive for the Wii, so why should Nintendo go crazy and push one out before they want/have to?

[Casiotech]

Casiotech, you need to stop trolling/thread crapping in these Wii threads. Not liking the Wii and disagreeing with Nintendo on several of their descisions is fine as it's your opinion, but you are just being obnoxious about it.

If you can't argue/debate this stuff a little more civil don't even bother at all.
Thanks.

I'm lilboo and I approve of this message

what?! I love and hate on all consoles equally. I'm not the one going around calling nintendo nazis...

and with the wii forum there is no debating, anyone who doesn't bow down and pucker up to nintendo's ways should DIAF.

funny thing, though, I see people ranking on the 360 and ps3 on this forum and that's okay but saying you don't like nintendo's games or accessories is not okay?

sounds like a big hypocrite sandwich...

Since I own a wii I can voice my joys and disgusts. There just happens to be more disgusts lately.

[depascal22]

Strell has clearly made his point that he's not sucking any dick much less Nintendo's. He seems pretty anti-Nintendo for this thread as well as a couple other people that have posted. It's just that the internet humor can be pretty obnoxious when people get worked up and you aren't helping yourself out with bad jokes.

[Strell]

That's a compliment I wish I got everyday - that my genital imbibement is not apparent.

Woohoo!

[Vinny]

They're just milking easy money.. this is aimed directly at those casual morons who don't know shit wireless routers and this is just a dumbed down device that probably cost no more than $15 to make.

[wii skiier]

Casiotech, you need to stop trolling/thread crapping in these Wii threads. Not liking the Wii and disagreeing with Nintendo on several of their descisions is fine as it's your opinion, but you are just being obnoxious about it.

If you can't argue/debate this stuff a little more civil don't even bother at all.
Thanks.

I'm lilboo and I approve of this message
Civil.
Wait....wait...

You actually think Nintendo makes those things?

Wow.
Not civil.

This place isn't what I hoped for.

[Cao Cao]

Wow, this thread sure got pointlessly large. People, it's just a router/bridge/wi-fi coverage expander (Diagram/specs (http://wifi.nintendo.co.jp/wap/index.html)), a device that has little-to-no chance of ever reaching US shores due to the competitive router market here*, as even in Japan, Nintendo is only selling it in their online store. That alone should show what a low priority this device was, chances are that Nintendo didn't even have a single major role in developing it.

* Honestly, I don't know much about Japan's network device market (i.e. how much they cost, the major players in the industry, the amount/types of homes or consumers with routers, the ease of use, etc.), and I doubt that most of you folks have any idea either. So really, without that knowledge, it's very difficult to perform a worthy analysis on how this product would be used in the Japanese market.

[Casiotech]

Wow, this thread sure got pointlessly large. People, it's just a router/bridge/wi-fi coverage expander (Diagram/specs (http://wifi.nintendo.co.jp/wap/index.html)), a device that has little-to-no chance of ever reaching US shores due to the competitive router market here*, as even in Japan, Nintendo is only selling it in their online store. That alone should show what a low priority this device was, chances are that Nintendo didn't even have a single major role in developing it.

* Honestly, I don't know much about Japan's network device market (i.e. how much they cost, the major players in the industry, the amount/types of homes or consumers with routers, the ease of use, etc.), and I doubt that most of you folks have any idea either. So really, without that knowledge, it's very difficult to perform a worthy analysis on how this product would be used in the Japanese market.

I am pretty sure japan, which has roughly 2-3x the download speed compared to any other country, wasn't going to wait around for nintendo to make an adapter.

http://speedtest.net/global.php?

[phear3d]

oh boy.. another accessory.. they should push more games instead of these.

[lilboo]

Hey!
HEY!
Guess what?

Don't flame me for this, [-( This is of course just wishful thinking.. but I am not totally insane. Just listen!

--

I'm guessing the wifi adapter as seen in the OP is not just for the people who are currently having trouble getting their Wii online. Maybe, just maybe people truly are that dumb and they don't realize the Wii is capable of going online.
Everything Wii related so far has been aim/geared for the completely stupid, right? So of course going into your Wii and telling it to search for a connection is WAY too difficult for common fool.

..So maybe, just maybe this is a ploy to get people to realize the Wii can get online. Once these people get online, MAYBE they will discover WiiWare and the Virtual Console.
AND MAYBE
JUST MAYBE
This will mean the majority of the audience seek additional storage, so in conclusion, we end up with a storage solution (HDD preferred)

..............
Come ON.
That's got to be the reason..RIGHT? :shock:

[Trakan]

Let's stop the pointless bickering.

Casio, if you're just going to troll, don't post in this thread or any other Wii thread.

[wii skiier]

Like I said in the post that got deleted, I apologize for contributing to the bully-fest. Who can blame any company for milking easy money? As long as the product makes a profit, it was worthwhile, no matter who bought it or how useful it actually is.

[lilboo]

Woah, where did ALL the posts go? I understand there were some here that were pointless..but others were harmless?

My point about the adapter being a possibility to get an HDD got deleted?
What the hell ?

[Casiotech]

suddenly, having any opinion is trolling? I don't appreciate being singled out either.

yeah everything is daisies and peaches in the console world.

[Trakan]

Lilboo, that may have gotten grouped in with the posts that had nothing but arguing that I deleted. I un-deleted it.

[MP77]

The relative amount of time required in taking an already well-established market and painting the unit white and slapping an N on it is almost nil. Coloring the wi-fi adaptor as a situation of choosing one over the other (a hard disk) makes absolutely no sense.

The storage issue has been wrestled with for a long time, and will likely remain an issue for the near future. One of the reasons it hasn't been addressed is because there is no third party solution to it (fucking with their market is the best way to get their attention)... there's also N's nazi attitude regarding IP protection... but that aside... it has been said over and over that they are looking for solutions to the storage issue. So continuing to complain about it is just beating a dead horse.

I'm not saying it was a clear one or the other situation but inherently a company has a limited number of resources and by putting any of them of the WiFi adapator seems wasteful when there doesn't appear to me a market for a device.

I don't understand how a third party HD would resonate even a little with Nintendo. Presumably you wouldn't be able to run anything off it so it's existence would be pretty useless, no?

[dyeknom]

I don't understand how a third party HD would resonate even a little with Nintendo. Presumably you wouldn't be able to run anything off it so it's existence would be pretty useless, no?

A third party solution to the storage solution would resonate with Nintendo. A solution implies that it works... making its existence useful... not useless.

[rjung]

I think Nintendo's stuck on the storage issue because they want to (a) appease gamers, (b) make a solution that's plug-and-play easy, (c) make a solution that's inexpensive and durable, and (d) prevent piracy -- and not necessarily in that order.

As for the issue of Nintendo first-party, I don't know why people crab that it's all dependent on Nintendo to satisfy their "core" gaming needs. About the only Nintendo first-party Wii game I'm looking at for the rest of the year is Wario Land, but I have no qualms about getting Star Wars: The Force Unleashed, Tomb Raider: Underworld, de Blob, Deadly Creatures, and Primus knows whatever else to keep me happy. And at the risk of sounding like a total fanboy, I'll add that playing Mario Kart Wii online still hasn't gotten old for me...

--R.J.

[Gothic Walrus]

I think Nintendo's stuck on the storage issue because they want to (a) appease gamers, (b) make a solution that's plug-and-play easy, (c) make a solution that's inexpensive and durable, and (d) prevent piracy -- and not necessarily in that order.

As for the issue of Nintendo first-party, I don't know why people crab that it's all dependent on Nintendo to satisfy their "core" gaming needs. About the only Nintendo first-party Wii game I'm looking at for the rest of the year is Wario Land, but I have no qualms about getting Star Wars: The Force Unleashed, Tomb Raider: Underworld, de Blob, Deadly Creatures, and Primus knows whatever else to keep me happy. And at the risk of sounding like a total fanboy, I'll add that playing Mario Kart Wii online still hasn't gotten old for me...

--R.J.

But...but...those games aren't Metroid! Or Kirby! Or Star Fox! :roll:

There are third party games for the Wii, and good ones (like most of the ones you listed, with the possible exception of Tomb Raider). Not everything is Ninjabread Man. You just have to look a bit to find the gems.

[dyeknom]

Not everything is Ninjabread Man. You just have to look a bit to find the gems.

That's right, not everything can be as awesome as Ninjabread Man. If everygame kicked that much butt... we'd be overloaded with greatness.

[Wolfkin]

the heck?

[Casiotech]

I'd love to see another Starfox adventures. But seeing as Rare is owned by MS, that's never going to happen.

[Wolfkin]

never approved of those. Starfox should stay in his ship, but I'll admit it wasn't the worst thing I played.

[wii skiier]

But...but...those games aren't Metroid! Or Kirby! Or Star Fox! :roll:

There are third party games for the Wii, and good ones (like most of the ones you listed, with the possible exception of Tomb Raider). Not everything is Ninjabread Man. You just have to look a bit to find the gems.
As gamers, we tend to look at every past system as a treasure trove of the most wonderful games that ever existed - this applies especially to whatever system you started playing video games with. The truth is that since "video games" started, their software libraries have been made up primarily of the same thing everyone complains about on the Wii; shovelware and licensed crap.

I remember being 10 and convincing my dad to drop way too much money on an Atari 2600 and a TI99/4A and over the next few years I played a pretty good chunk of the libraries for those systems and loved every second of it. And most of those games were terrible. The Wii is the closest thing to the 2600 phenomenon I've seen since then and because it happens to target a wide spectrum of consumers and now I see my own (and friends') kids eating up the game experience the same way, no matter if the game ends in "z" or not. It makes me happy to see kids introduced to games this way honestly - I have friends with PS3's or 360's and there's not the same magic for their kids on those systems.

[Mr. Beef]

Psh, I started with the NES, and I didn't like it all that much. [-(