Kotaku.com talks smack about CAG

[Plumbtree]

http://kotaku.com/5052203/what-is-the-xbox-pure-[update]

[crystalklear64]

lol'd

[KaneRobot]

Gotta laugh at the part at the end where he gets all super serious and talks about CAG no longer having credibility. Dude's just pissed that he fell for it and was proof of the point being made in the first place. Blogs will post anything even remotely plausible with very little/no research done to support it.

As I said in the comments of their post, their little chest-puffing statement at the end is laughable. Pretending they wouldn't post major news from this site is a joke. If some CAG posted some (at least semi-credible) news about the Wii dropping to $200 (or whatever), you can bet your ass Kotaku would put it on their site immediately, as would pretty much every other popular gaming blog.

[pogipinoy27]

I don't think they're really taking a shot at CAG; they're just highlighting the fact that CAG is usually pretty credible (and just not in this instance).

[Blackout]

Hahahahaa. Those idiots fell for that? Somebody's getting a free game. Nice one!

[Clarke]

Haha oh wow...
It would certainly be sad if that were the case. I can't imagine wanting to throw my site's credibility out the window for a contest.

It's not funny at all. Cheapy and his crew asked his readers to promote a lie on the site. How do I know they wont do it again. I don't have the time, or the inclination to listen to all of their podcasts to make sure that the stories that run on the site are valid. This is called poisoning the well.

[Z(+)DIAC]

Looks like the fellas at Gizmodo got burned as well...

http://gizmodo.com/5052182/secret-document-leaks-xbox-pure

[cochesecochese]

Ahahahahahah ohhhhhhh fuck those losers. They got caught with their pants around their ankles and they're all pissy about it.

So much for reading that shit ass site anymore.

edit: Oh, this is too rich. CAG's credibility? Is Crecente honestly suggesting that CAG be held to journalistic standards? Does he really think Cheapy should be made to fact check every single post and blog entry? Give me a break. This is a messageboard.

[trq]

Wow, they're schooling Cresente over in the comments. Dude's going all Dennis Dyak and only making it worse.

[smarkbran]

seen this on engadget as well
http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/19/secret-xbox-document-tells-us-absolutely-nothing/

LOL, i guess somebody wins Wombats contest!

[KingBroly]

I believe it hit Destructoid first.

[darthbudge]

Hahahaha. I love how CheapyD says that possibly pirated games would be ruining his cred, but then he comes out and supports contests like this.

:rofl:

[cochesecochese]

Yeah, uh, Cheapy runs a video game deals website not a video game news website. Apples and oranges.

[Blackout]

"My feathers aren't ruffled. I am annoyed that I wasted your time, all of my readers time, with this story when we could have used that time to post something newsworthy. What annoys me most about this sort of thing though is that it sets back the credibility of all blogs."

Wow he needs to get off his high horse already. :rofl:

[Jack McSmack]

I sent this email to Brian Crecente.

Hi,

I'm just writing to point you to two related news stories. Maybe if you read them back to back you will see what I see.

News Story 1:
http://kotaku.com/5046921/rumor-xbox-360-to-relaunch-on-sept-25-with-tv-ad-blitz-free-games

Let me highlight something:
UPDATE: It appears that this rumor story could be CAG throwing their credibility out the window as part of a contest. Kotaku''s decision to run rumors is always based on the credibility of the site and the information contained within it. In the past CAG has proven to be a reliable site, having broken a number of stories through apt reporting. It appears that may no longer be the case.

News Story 2:
http://kotaku.com/5046921/rumor-xbox-360-to-relaunch-on-sept-25-with-tv-ad-blitz-free-games

Another highlight for you:
A poster on the VGChartz forums (yes, I know) has posted alleged details of a rumored Xbox 360 "relaunch," the specifics of which even the author writes are "batshit crazy."

Do you see how these two stories are related? No? I'll help you out a little bit.

News Story 1:
Kotaku''s decision to run rumors is always based on the credibility of the site and the information contained within it.
News Story 2:
A poster on the VGChartz forums (yes, I know) has posted alleged details of a rumored Xbox 360 "relaunch," the specifics of which even the author writes are "batshit crazy."

You're a smart guy. I know you see it now. Maybe the truth is that credibility means little to Kotaku when it comes to pageviews and you're just as little pissed that you fell for it?

Well, anyways, I do love the site man. Keep up the excellent gaming "journalism" you do.

-- Jack

[Chacrana]

When did CAG have credibility as a news source? It's... not a news source.

[StinkyCheese]

It wasnt really an official contest, more of a joke. but congrats to the guy who pulled this off :lol:

[doraemonkerpal]

The reply by "geminibros" is spot on.


@Crecente: Poisoning the well or making a point? Tomato, to-mah-to from your point of view I suppose.
While there's definitely some perhaps-intended comedy in this, you failed to mention that the POINT of the contest was to illustrate how easily the gaming press will latch onto and run with any rumor that surfaces, no matter how outlandish it may seem.
Bravo to Cheapy and the gang for pointing out that even the most seemingly credible rumor is fallible. We should all follow the inherent suggestion which is this contest's subtext and fact-check accordingly. As soon as you "don't have the time" to properly check your sources, you're not doing your job as a journalist.
Everyone makes mistakes, but the above "update" and the convenient absence of certain facts about the contest clearly indicates that there are some ruffled feathers here. Have a laugh at your own expense and move on.

Edit: HAHA "byrc" had a well-written comment too! I have not seen Crecente respond to either of these two posts.

[Clarke]

Hahahaha. I love how CheapyD says that possibly pirated games would be ruining his cred, but then he comes out and supports contests like this.

:rofl:
Hey don't go complicating things. He never supported this. It's all Wombats fault for once.

[OtherAdam]

I read Kotaku vigorously, but Brian needs to get off his high horse because he obviously just proved Cheapy and Wombat's point of about blogs and rumors. Him trying to defend it in the comments sections just proves he's embarrassed by it.

[Kaijufan]

The comments for that post are pretty amusing. Crecente seems to be taking this way too seriously.

When did CAG have credibility as a news source? It's... not a news source.
CAG users have broken a number of news stories, many of which were related to console price drops. That does give CAG credibility.

[Blackout]

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/50-cent-sequel-not-cancelled-despite-reports

Ouch. :rofl:

[dastly75]

This is hilarious and they all seem to miss the point that CAG is pointing out how they run wild rumors on their sites without any real research. CAG is owning gaming blogs right now and it's not even a news source.

[lilboo]

:rofl:+

[Thongsy]

Good Job. CAG is a forum, not a news site. I didn't actually think anybody would really pull it off.

[Mr Unoriginal]

Very awesome. Good job I never thought it would be so simple.

[eliter1]

Very awesome. Good job I never thought it would be so simple.

Just goes to prove what Cheapy and Wombat said about websites posting just about anything without trying to do some digging to see if something is true or not. All they care about is making the post.

[JUDDERMAN]

I didn't even know I had an account on this site, but I just came here to say that what you guys did was awesome, and Kotaku should stop trying to deflect the issue back to you guys.

[rodeojones903]

:rofl:

Great job.

[freakyzeeky]

Bravo! This is just too awesome, lol! :applause::lol:

[magiic]

atta be boys we did it LOL :D

[Z(+)DIAC]

This event definitely has lowered my respect for Kotaku.

[ninja dog]

Good show :applause:

More proof that all you need to do to get on Kotaku is take a blurry pic. Took away from time that could've been used to post a news story? WHAT NEWS STORY?! They don't do journalism, they just repost shit from all over the internet :lol:

[Clarke]

:lol:
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1379/koda6.jpg



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[dan13l858]

The reason Brian didn't spot the fake story is because he was too busy sucking up to The Who and anyone else that gives a $hTT who he is. I might start reading Joystiq instead because of this fiasco.

[chair_home]

I read Kotaku on a daily basis, just because they are good at gathering information. Rumor and Real. But they just need to own up to the fact that they posted a rumor (and even listed it as a rumor) that turned out to be fake. If they left it at that, things would have been a lot less detrimental. All this pointing fingers and back pedaling is making things much worse. "Cost me an hour I could have spent posting something newsworthy"... Like writing up a few sentences and posting a link is doing that... the backpedaling is doing that.

[eswat]

This is pretty hilarious. Both Gawker-based blogs are pointing fingers at CAG saying it has lost its credibility. Kotaku is especially furious with this whole thing.

X3F also posted about the Pure, but they just shrugged and moved on.

[I_Am_ProZac]

Gotta laugh at the part at the end where he gets all super serious and talks about CAG no longer having credibility. Dude's just pissed that he fell for it and was proof of the point being made in the first place. Blogs will post anything even remotely plausible with very little/no research done to support it.

As I said in the comments of their post, their little chest-puffing statement at the end is laughable. Pretending they wouldn't post major news from this site is a joke. If some CAG posted some (at least semi-credible) news about the Wii dropping to $200 (or whatever), you can bet your ass Kotaku would put it on their site immediately, as would pretty much every other popular gaming blog.

This. Despite what they say, this will in no way prevent them from continuing to post whatever they can get their hands on.

Maybe the fact that this is Wombat and CheapyD endorsed does hurt the site a little bit, but when was CAG ever about news? What are they not going to believe the deals posted here anymore? Their loss.

[chair_home]

This is pretty hilarious. Both Gawker-based blogs are pointing fingers at CAG saying it has lost its credibility. Kotaku is especially furious with this whole thing.

Yeah...

UPDATE: It appears that we were mislead by Cheap Ass Gamer as part of a prank contest. Running fabrications like this one does not help a site's credibility.

The author writes for Kotaku as well. Looks like they had some sort of meeting condemning CAG and they got worked up and are trying to smear us. Nice try guys.

[Loonknight]

lol, Nice. If they would listen to the CAGCast more often maybe they wouldn't have been fished in.

[ninja dog]

Fuck I can never trust any of you guys ever again since CAG's credibility is ruined. Actually, can you even trust what I just wrote? Maybe I lied and really do trust cag...but then, what if this whole thing is a lie.

Such messy business when a forum loses its credibility all at once :(

[Cao Cao]

Wombat, I'm sure is somewhere either chuckling or smugly smiling due to the success of his social experiment (And I can't blame him, as I too would be making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS). Cheapy, I feel sorry for, since he's either getting lumped in with Wombat's antics or he's being portrayed as the mastermind of the contest, despite clearly saying otherwise numerous times during the podcast. It's like that Penny Arcade strip regarding the whole Gabe-IGN Assassin's Creed thing:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2007/20071128.jpg

As for Crecente and Kotaku, I shed no tears for them. I still remember that "Do you like DreamCast" scam web site a while back. The site's suspiciousness was proven the day after their article was posted, and was mentioned numerous times in the article's comments section, yet while other blogs looked at the evidence and took the appropriate actions (Removing the link, making an update to the article, etc.), Kotaku did absolutely nothing about it (Except reference the original post as a fact in another Dreamcast post) until Monday, 3-4 days after the original article was posted.

[musha666]

I dont see how this is CAG credibility. Who the hell is desz and why would desz be speaking for the entire CAG site? Maybe if Cheapy D posted this on the main page then they would have a point. As for desz, I have no idea who they are nor do I care what they put in their 'blog.

[KaneRobot]

Mega-laffs at Kotaku after not only posting the fake CAG story, but also now prematurely going with the 50 Cent game being cancelled - BOTH by Crecente.

Christ. Kotaku is the gaming blog equivalent of some dickhead saying "FIRST!" while replying to a post.

[MastaGamer]

Yeah, I read this on both Kotaku and Gizmodo earlier and found it laughable. If anything the update should say "Kotaku loses credibility for being lazy"

[GuilewasNK]

lol, Nice. If they would listen to the CAGCast more often maybe they wouldn't have been fished in.

Not everyone has the time to listen to it or wants to listen to it. Most people go to CAG to go to CAG, not the CAGcast.

[gunm]

ahahahaha pwnd! CAG is not and has never positioned itself as a game industry "news" site like Kotaku claims to be.

Funny how Cheapy has mentioned how sites like Kotaku pay their employees by the post for the past couple of CAGcasts, and this is yet another example of why that might not be the best thing-- when you have people posting just any old shit to make a quota, of course you're gonna fuck it up once and a while. Those guys need to man up, take it in the chin, and move on.

[Kinmar]

its almost like i predicted this would happen.

http://twitter.com/Kinmar/statuses/924689519

[docvinh]

http://blogs.pcworld.com/gameon/archives/007781.html

Wow is all that needs to be said.

[lilboo]

I think Wombat owes this guy an Elite 360, :rofl:

[Kinmar]

I think Wombat owes this guy an Elite 360, :rofl:

+1 for that.

[Strell]

Hahahaha. I love how CheapyD says that possibly pirated games would be ruining his cred, but then he comes out and supports contests like this.


Hey, complain about this some more in other threads that have nothing to do it.

As for all these blogs, they never were legimitate to begin with, so I'm not sure why they feel like their cred is having significant shrinkage, like it was swimming in a cold pool.

[Ryuukishi]

Wow. I wasn't even aware of this contest (I just read the forums), but this is hilarious.

I read and enjoy Kotaku, and will probably continue to do so, but jeez, it's just a game blog with bad writing, typos and misspellings all over the place, content reposted from other blogs or scanned from Famitsu, and outrageous rumors. There's very little "journalism" going on and it's just ridiculously self-serious to pretend otherwise. The idea that one more fake rumor out of the hundreds they've posted could "hurt their credibility" and the credibility of a forum/blog that doesn't even claim to be a news site, at all... it's just crazy.

Kotaku may have a lot less comment trolls than other news blogs like Joystiq (I'll say that for Kotaku, they're pretty dang good at policing their comments and attracting semi-intelligent commenters), but it's just laughable how seriously they take themselves sometimes.

[KaneRobot]

+1 for that.

At this point, agreed. This has gone far beyond just Kotaku now. The PC World thing is great.

[xGunCrazyx]

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/4597/cryingbabykc9.jpg

When Kotaku picked up desz's "XBOX's New Name?" blog post (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/blog.php?b=3223), Kotaku must have thought that it was the truth or something (http://kotaku.com/5052203/what-is-the-xbox-pure-%5Bupdate%5D). When Brian Crecente found out that it was part of Wombat's Bullshit Blog Contest, he freaked.
His response:
UPDATE: It appears that this rumor story could be CAG throwing their credibility out the window as part of a contest. Kotaku''s decision to run rumors is always based on the credibility of the site and the information contained within it. In the past CAG has proven to be a reliable site, having broken a number of stories through apt reporting. It appears that may no longer be the case..

This would have been nothing more than a rumour if it hadn't been part of the contest anyways. When you report on a rumour, you will usually find out it is false. I thought the "journalists" over at Kotaku would understand this, considering they probably deal with hundreds of rumours everyday.

Second of all, Crecente's response to the blog post is ridiculous. To blame CAG for his poor decision making when it comes to reporting on Kotaku is totally out of line. I would have thought somebody as important as Brian Crecente would show some professionalism, but this confirms that I would be wrong.

I will conclude by saying I will NOT be reading any more of Kotaku until the CAG community receives an apology from Brian Crecente himself. It would be great if the rest of the CAG community could participate as well. Hopefully Crecente will pull his head out of his ass sooner or later...

***This is was originally a blog post, but I figured many of you in the forums don't read the blogs anyways lol***

[BlueLobstah]

So much for bloggers pushing for professional journalism, they just shot themselves in the foot and in spite of that cut off their arm too.

It disappoints me greatly to see many outlets taking this rumor on as fact without even doing some simple fact checking. Its fine if you post it as a rumor, but it seems like a majority of the sites have failed to at least check to see if the source was somewhat credible (i.e. the poster, not CAG). Isn't one of the rules of journalism is to get the story right, and get it right the first time? I would imagine a vast majority of people reading "blogs" like Kotaku are likely to never see the update posted after the fact.

[A Happy Panda]

The funny thing is that someone at PC World had to waste their time and photoshop that 360 Slim.

Also BTW, did anyone look and read the image of the memo? IDK if anyone knows business style memos, but THAT is not it. I looked at it and was like wow, the formatting is all fucked up and the writing looks as thought it were written by a child and thought ok well this is obvious bullshit. Then I scrolled down to read the update, and look it WAS bullshit. Yay me.

[StinkyCheese]

While I dont think we need three open threads on the subject, crecente was a bit of a douche.

[lilboo]

:wall:

[whoknows]

Repost but still hilarious!

[Strell]

The funny thing is that someone at PC World had to waste their time and photoshop that 360 Slim.

I'm almost 100% sure I saw that exact photo a few months ago, sometimes around E3. There was a rumor that MS would announce a slim 360, or at least hint at one.

So that photoshoppin' has been done for a while.

Edit: Yep. (http://gizmodo.com/390095/xbox-360-slim-might-come-in-2009)

Blue: Even our actual news outlets don't get the story right anymore, and post all sorts of flagrant exaggerations and half truths. If I can't expect it there, what hope could there be for smelly nerds in basements?

[Strell]

This might actually be less useful and newsworthy than an internet petition.

[whoknows]

This might actually be less useful and newsworthy than an internet petition.

That's because internet petitions work.

[Brak]

I like it when people act like outraged customers... when there's a store nowhere to be seen.

[BlueLobstah]

Blue: Even our actual news outlets don't get the story right anymore, and post all sorts of flagrant exaggerations and half truths. If I can't expect it there, what hope could there be for smelly nerds in basements?


And that's exactly my point, hince "outlets" and not "blogs". Of course, I imagine a lot of the media likely has other interests in hand which influence a story, but that's neither here nor there.

[62t]

wait you will read kotaku even if tyhey apologise?

[Mr Unoriginal]

Seriously?

[chakan]

So...in the unlikely event that Crescentoast issued an apology, you wouldn't see it?

Look, we punked him, and he's all butthurt now. We don't need to pout because he's blustering to make himself look good. We already "won".

[Gothic Walrus]

Wow. I wasn't even aware of this contest (I just read the forums), but this is hilarious.

I don't think it ever was an official contest.

[Ryuukishi]

I don't think it ever was an official contest.Well I hope it is now. :) Dude deserves some kind of prize for causing such a stir with a grainy picture of a Word document printout.

[ArthurDigbySellers]

Those mofos disabled comments for my Kotaku account after I posted several in the Xbox Pure thread. I barely post there anyway, but I find it funny that they are now censoring comments about this as well.

Christ, Crecente should have just deleted the whole post instead of starting this shitstorm.

[eswat]

Kotaku mods disable comment abilities if you so much as look at a post in a funny way.

[bingbangboom]

This is soooooo funny and Kotaku and the other blog sites deserve it. I have been pulling away from various blog sites once you realize that they don't really have any additional content to them. They typically don't create anything, they just find something else and link it. We pretty much have Digg for that. These people are really no body with no responsibilities. We can just post anything but for some reason they have built up credit because they have a funny name. Same thing with the other sites and they are all on their high horse and consider themselves "gaming press". In reality they are not and I wouldn't be surprised if we are starting to see the beginning of the bubble bursting on these type of sites.

Even if something is not posted as a rumor, it can still be wrong because they don't really look into it. Even asking for a comment or talking to someone at Microsoft. I am sure that if they do have this creditable well credibility, then they have contacts. They should, and ask them. I don't understand why there is a big deal with being first on something anyway. You can go to these three big sites: Kotaku, Joystiq and Destructiod and see the same stories repeated over and over again.

At least sites like IGN, 1UP and others have some sort of respectability when it comes to their news.

[DesertEagleXIX]

I left a few remarks via e-mail, (since I don't have a Kotaku Acct.) and these were quickly banned.

I think Cresente feels embarrassed, that why he's lashing out. He needs to walk away from the keyboard.

All in all, everyone got their page views. Cheapy and Cresente win.

[XxFuRy2Xx]

Man, this is hilarious. Kotaku and all of the similar blogs got owned on this one. CAG is nothing more than a game deals site with a fancy forum attached, so there is no need for CAG to fact check anything. The only ones who need to do fact checking are sites like Kotaku, since they're the ones who'll look like the fools.

Besides, what's the big deal? They posted it as a rumor, so no one should be pissed when a rumor doesn't come true.

[BlueSwim]

I read the comments on Kotaku for about a half hour and I think anyone who would blame CAG's motivation for the contest has to be a 1 dimensional thinker. Someone incapable of understanding the irony of the situation. Kotaku's God of Good Hair could have written up the story and saved it to a "drafts" folder in case it panned out. He didn't, and therefore, proved the point the contest was trying to make absolutely perfectly. It's hard to believe, but the perfect quote for what happened comes from Star Wars of all places.


"Who is more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows?" - Obi Wan from Star Wars

[DarthPuma]

I love how they are all butt hurt about this when Kotaku posted a fake VC game story one time and it got picked up by Gametrailers, who they off course mocked. IIRC they said it was a joke directly in the story, but it's still kind of a pot calling the kettle black situation.

[Phished0ne]

I think the best part is that BC is trying to say "oh no it doesn't ruin OUR credibility, it ruins THEIRS"

all in all..i think this sums it up

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9222/bccopygg0.jpg

[mykevermin]

Huh. Would ya look at that?

[Clarke]

I love how they are all butt hurt about this when Kotaku posted a fake VC game story one time and it got picked up by Gametrailers, who they off course mocked. IIRC they said it was a joke directly in the story, but it's still kind of a pot calling the kettle black situation.
It was a week when there were no VC releases and Mike made a wishlist. Gametrailers didn't report it. You must be thinking G4.

Gosh you're worese than Kotaku.
http://kotaku.com/389422/what-would-be-your-perfect-vc-update
http://kotaku.com/5010699/g4-gamespy-gamestats-reporting-imaginary-vc-soul-blazer

[DQT]

(http://kotaku.com/people/Supergrass/) Supergrass (http://kotaku.com/people/Supergrass/) at 09:33 AM (http://kotaku.com/5052203/what-is-the-xbox-pure-#c7856728)
(commenting+.7856728@kotaku.com?subject=Comment%20 on%20)
* (http://kotaku.com/people/Supergrass/) Of course, what happens when someone wants to play a little prank on CAG and sends in documentation of the next price drop for the 360 or PS3? Clearly, it's easy to pull a fast one over on a Web site.


Lol. Somebody doesn't know how cag works. Within the hour it'd be marked with YMMV if not outright dispelled as not happening.

[DQT]

We're a reliable source for shopping news because we actually go out of way to make sure the news actually happens.

They should have let this blow over and learned their lesson. Stop posting rumors just for page views. The story could have been worse. EGM confirmed FFVII for the PS3 a while back and even ran a 1up story telling people to buy that issue.

[jollydwarf]

CheapyD,

A few weeks ago on a CAGCast (I want to say it was circa E3), you mentioned something about a person you met (or talked to, at least) that gave you a lot of valuable info and dirt about the gaming industry and its 'media'. You asked the person whose name I'm forgetting if an unnamed person in the gaming media was a "dick"*, and he apparently verified this. Was this "dick" Brian Crecente? Because no lie, that's who I thought of first and foremost, for whatever reason. Maybe it's just his shit-eating grin.

I will understand if you choose to 'ignore' this post.

*--You might have said "prick" instead of "dick", and you might have qualified it with "arrogant" or "stuck-up". I guess those adjectives might have narrowed it down for me a little.

[CheapyD]

CheapyD,

A few weeks ago on a CAGCast (I want to say it was circa E3), you mentioned something about a person you met (or talked to, at least) that gave you a lot of valuable info and dirt about the gaming industry and its 'media'. You asked the person whose name I'm forgetting if an unnamed person in the gaming media was a "dick"*, and he apparently verified this. Was this "dick" Brian Crecente? Because no lie, that's who I thought of first and foremost, for whatever reason. Maybe it's just his shit-eating grin.


No, it was not.


I've met Brian many times and even took both Kotaku Brians to Sumo during last year's TGS. Crecente always been very nice to me and has always stopped to shoot the shit with me when I've run into him at various gaming events. I never got the impression that he felt he was "too important" to talk to me or anything like that.

(http://kotaku.com/people/Supergrass/) Supergrass (http://kotaku.com/people/Supergrass/) at 09:33 AM (http://kotaku.com/5052203/what-is-the-xbox-pure-#c7856728)

* (http://kotaku.com/people/Supergrass/) Of course, what happens when someone wants to play a little prank on CAG and sends in documentation of the next price drop for the 360 or PS3? Clearly, it's easy to pull a fast one over on a Web site. In the 5+ years of running CAG, I've never posted a rumor to the front page that didn't turn out to be true. I'm very careful about that.

[Strell]

I wonder if the people getting giggles at the expense of Kotaku now are the same ones that got their panties in a roar when Sony went after 'em for posting info they were specifically asked not to.

[kuddles]

I just joined the forum to say I'm astounded at the sour grapes of the bloggers claiming CAG should be ashamed of themselves over "credibility". If they were so worried about credibility, they wouldn't have all posted the news of "Google buying Valve?" from The Inquirer, a site well known for for being unreliable many, many times in the past, and without doing the thing which is the bare minimum of journalistic integrity - taking two minutes to call Valve and ask for a statement before running it.

For sites like Kotaku and Destructoid, that thrive on creating fake drama, posting notiouriously unreliable rumors without doing proper follow-up and taking quotes out of context, to claim a simple gag was highly unprofessional is laughable to a hundred degrees.

[jollydwarf]

Well, back to the speculation drawing board. But thanks for the ultra-turbo-fast response!

Now that I think about it, I remember the sumo anecdote, what with the cramped confines and the women sitting behind your group (or was it the other way around?), and all that stuff.

They might be lashing out now, but I think that this one will have more than a momentary effect on how indiscriminate gaming blogs feel they can be. That's the upside. The downside is that this is going to spark a shitload of kids with too much time and no creativity trying to "punk" anyone and everyone.

[gunm]

Well, if anything, this will make for an interesting CAGcast come Monday. :p

Edit: ha, I totally forgot Cheapy took the Brians out to Sumo! I'm sure this will all blow over by Monday, but sheesh, how quickly these guys'll throw industry courtesy out the door just to cover their ass.

[ninja dog]

Well I'd hope it wouldn't turn into a gaming site turf war. as funny as kotaku's sour grapes were, if it went on any longer than, say, a few hours ago, it would be kinda sad.

[Z_meista]

lol... kotaku got pwned! just goes to show that they'll put anything on their site... hahaha!

[Dead of Knight]

I read Kotaku, but Brian Crecente and Brian Ashcraft are two of the biggest idiots on the planet who really need to get off their high horse. They act like the pinnacle of the games industry when they're a fucking blog that constantly makes reporting mistakes, and they tend to blame the source over themselves for being wrong.

[A Happy Panda]

Jeff Gerstmann just commented on the sitch as well:

http://www.giantbomb.com/news/the-biggest-lie-ive-read-all-week/269/

It's just a little blurb at the end.

[DQT]

In the 5+ years of running CAG, I've never posted a rumor to the front page that didn't turn out to be true. I'm very careful about that.

See here's the problem with the whole CAG credibility issue. If an insider had some a juicy bit info, would a website called cheapassgamer even be on the places to leak the info to? What credibility do we have to lose?

edit: I posted this point on Kotaku after seeing shipwreck's response (the post wasn't related to his) but it didn't show up on the comments for some reason.

Still I can see Crecente being a little upset. If one of my friends indirectly led me to be caught with my pants down I'd feel a little betrayed too. His problem is he let the internet know about it and made it much worse.

[BlueSwim]

CheapyD,

A few weeks ago on a CAGCast (I want to say it was circa E3), you mentioned something about a person you met (or talked to, at least) that gave you a lot of valuable info and dirt about the gaming industry and its 'media'. You asked the person whose name I'm forgetting if an unnamed person in the gaming media was a "dick"*, and he apparently verified this. Was this "dick" Brian Crecente? Because no lie, that's who I thought of first and foremost, for whatever reason. Maybe it's just his shit-eating grin.

I will understand if you choose to 'ignore' this post.

*--You might have said "prick" instead of "dick", and you might have qualified it with "arrogant" or "stuck-up". I guess those adjectives might have narrowed it down for me a little.


If I were to place a bet on who the dick was Cheapy asked his source about I'd say it was Jeff Gertsmann... ;)

[Quintessence]

:rofl:Ha!

[MSUHitman]

How much ad revenue or hits has this crazy event generated for you Cheapy? Are you okay with this, or are you ready to cyber-strangle Wombat?

[Short Round]

How much ad revenue or hits has this crazy event generated for you Cheapy? Are you okay with this, or are you ready to cyber-strangle Wombat?


There is no such thing as bad press, or at least, I believe that's how the old adage goes.

Just look through this thread and you'll find several new people that have signed up to the sight just to talk about this.

[Layziebones]

There is no such thing as bad press, or at least, I believe that's how the old adage goes.

Just look through this thread and you'll find several new people that have signed up to the sight just to talk about this.

Every forum seems to have that one thread that rapidly spreads around the internet because it is hilarious, awesome, informative or a good read. Maybe this is Cag's?

[Short Round]

Every forum seems to have that one thread that rapidly spreads around the internet because it is hilarious, awesome, informative or a good read. Maybe this is Cag's?


There is only one definitive thing to come out of this, and that is Wombat will not be finding his dream job at Loltaku.

[HERETOSTAY]

Not even a week and the competition is all over. Well done. :)

[yukine]

Kotaku is a gossip website, a tabloid, it's not an accurate and reliable source of news. Crecente needs to lay off the kool-aid, and realize that the site he writes for is the National Enquirer of video games.

[Simon D I]

This is hilarious, man.

I like how Gerstmann put it; "...take it as pretty firm evidence that the battle between speed and accuracy continues to rage on inside us all."

Congrats to the dude that set all of this up. I can't wait to hear about this on the next CAGcast!

[Chase]

First and foremost, this whole event is hilarious, and quite a good example of how breaking news has more value to blogs than fact-checking.

This event definitely has lowered my respect for Kotaku.


Unfortunately, I agree. My respect for Kotaku has lowered considerably.

[Magitek85]

Yeah, my respect has been lowered as well. Just man up and say you got tricked. Don't go into a hissy fit about the credibility of blogs. I'm fine with blogs posting rumors as long as they are labeled as such, but when you find out that rumor was a hoax, just correct it and move on. He and Dennis Dyack have a blown out of proportion view of how much of an impact stupid stuff like this has on 'the industry'.

[dcfox]

The only one that lost any respect and credibility here is CAG. I almost ashamed to call myself a member of this site now.

[Halo05]

Woo-hoo! CAG wins the internetz! We should all get free beer or something.

[lilboo]

He probably said that to do what we are doing: Going nuts & talking about Kotaku 8-)

[mitch079]

Crescente's a fucking tool.

[KaneRobot]

The only one that lost any respect and credibility here is CAG. I almost ashamed to call myself a member of this site now.

Nice try.

[Dual45s]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Dual45s/crecentesadface.jpg

[NintendoGal]

At least sites like IGN, 1UP and others have some sort of respectability when it comes to their news.

Not sure about 1UP, but IGN has been caught doing this same type of thing. Ever hear of the Metal Gear Solid Triology debacle? :)

On topic, I know rumors get hits, but I will never post them anymore. They're too much trouble for than what they're worth. It seems the bigger sites like stories to get hits etc. which I can understand because they want ad revenue I guess. Not saying I think this behavior is acceptable, but I can see why some sites thrive on it.

[mang9432]

interesting stuff.

[MSUHitman]

There is only one definitive thing to come out of this, and that is Wombat will not be finding his dream job at Loltaku.

or any other gaming blog not named UGO.

[jollydwarf]

If I were to place a bet on who the dick was Cheapy asked his source about I'd say it was Jeff Gertsmann...

'Winky'-tagged tip duly noted.

[JMEPO]

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=4763&pictureid=2476
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=4763&pictureid=2475
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=4763&pictureid=2474

[Moxio]

CAG may have lost credibility, but the OTT has more than ever. 8-)

[DQT]

Guys, it wasn't Jeff Gerstmann or Brian Crecente. It was Stephen Totillo from MTV's Multiplayer blog that was a little cold to Cheapy at E3. He apologized and may be Cheapy's only hope of this year's TGS not being the loneliest TGS ever.

[GuilewasNK]

CAG may have lost credibility, but the OTT has more than ever. 8-)

CAG lost credibility after getting in bed with GameQuestDirect after shunning them due to their business practices in the past.

[BlueSwim]

If I were to place a bet on who the dick was Cheapy asked his source about I'd say it was Jeff Gertsmann...

'Winky'-tagged tip duly noted.

I have no secret info to back up the claim I made, but when I was listening to the old GameSpot podcasts before he was canned, he struck me like he could have "dick" qualities to him. Well, at least beyond(BEYOND!!!) what his gender gives him, of course.

[lilboo]

Rabble! RABBLE RABBLE!
RabbleRabbleRabbleRabbleRabbleRabbleRabbleRabbleRa bble!!

[BlueSwim]

Guys, it wasn't Jeff Gerstmann or Brian Crecente. It was Stephen Totillo from MTV's Multiplayer blog that was a little cold to Cheapy at E3. He apologized and may be Cheapy's only hope of this year's TGS not being the loneliest TGS ever.


Wasn't that something completely different?

[mykevermin]

Rabble! RABBLE RABBLE!
RabbleRabbleRabbleRabbleRabbleRabbleRabbleRabbleRa bble!!

http://www.thereeler.com/images/hamburglar.jpg

robble robble.

[jollydwarf]

Wasn't that something completely different?

It was. The unnamed "dick" reference was completely unattached to the Totillo 'misunderstanding'. I think it was mentioned after said brush-off, too.

Ah well, we'll never know. Maybe it was Cheapy validating his twenty-five year theory about David Crane. (Shrugs)

[StinkyCheese]

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=4763&pictureid=2476
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=4763&pictureid=2475
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=4763&pictureid=2474

:rofl:

[Phished0ne]

I have no secret info to back up the claim I made, but when I was listening to the old GameSpot podcasts before he was canned, he struck me like he could have "dick" qualities to him. Well, at least beyond(BEYOND!!!) what his gender gives him, of course.

Thats interesting..because Gerstmann always seemed like one of the coolest people in gaming jerno. to me.

[ArthurDigbySellers]

My guess on the "dick" is N'Gai Croal. I can see that guy being a total tool from the times I have heard him on 1Up Yours.

EDIT: But like Jolly, my first guess was Crecente.

[hiccupleftovers]

This is awesome! This is absolutely hilarious. Kotaku go boom and lost its credibility. They showed their true colors. Wow, Kotaku's really trying to bring credibility to gaming journalism when they themselves can't be credible. Speed and accuracy, indeed, two forces at work against each other. :rofl: Great job CAG!!!!

[Gothic Walrus]

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=4763&pictureid=2476
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=4763&pictureid=2475
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=4763&pictureid=2474

:applause:

[DQT]

Wasn't that something completely different?

It was. The unnamed "dick" reference was completely unattached to the Totillo 'misunderstanding'. I think it was mentioned after said brush-off, too.

Ah well, we'll never know. Maybe it was Cheapy validating his twenty-five year theory about David Crane. (Shrugs)

Now that I think about it you guys are probably right. Still, do we really need Cheapy to alienate even more people at this point?

[CheapyD]

CAG lost credibility after getting in bed with GameQuestDirect after shunning them due to their business practices in the past.
Guess you missed this thread where most everybody said to give them a another chance.
GameQuestDirect wants to win the CAGs back - Feedback requested (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146059)

[GuilewasNK]

Guess you missed this thread where most everybody said to give them a another chance.
GameQuestDirect wants to win the CAGs back - Feedback requested (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146059)

Nope, I didn't miss it.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159618

But, this has nothing to do with Kotaku so I'll leave it alone after this.

[buttle]

i liked that kotaku didn't elaborate on what the contest was. kotaku, and the other blogs, need to recognize the point of the contest. recognize what fools they are. and quit posting every rumor they see on a blog.

[Layziebones]

I bet if we could got all the people that come to CAG and all of the people that go to Kotaku, and made them fight, we would win. Take that Crecente!

[Unassuming Local Guy]

Has Crecente ever admitted he was wrong? I swear that dude has the biggest head in the gaming blogosphere. Mark Wilson at Gizmodo needs to get his shit together too going on about "credibility." Maybe it's just something they're feeding the Gawker pool, I don't know.

[zewone]

Gamefaqs 2.0.

[help1]

Kotaku is wrong 8 times out of 10. That is some great credibility there.

[mav451]

Meh, Kotaku's a great site - but not always for information. It's entertainment after all. Not TheINQ level of entertainment, but it's a site about games! Why so serious?

[Regian]

Wow. This whole thing is win.

To the person responsible for starting this rumor, I want to shake your hand.

[fatbeer]

I never considered Kotaku as news website, but as video game entertainment website. If your getting your source of information from blogs or message boards, you already lose your credibility as news website. Because anyone on internet can create an account and post any falsified information. It's not hard to photoshop some pictures. If it comes from a person that develop some sort of credibility like Speedy or Markman, I can understand. But this isn't the case.


The real question is: How Kotaku handle the situation? Rather than bowing down gracefully and admit their mistakes, Brian Crecente drag CAG in the mix. Blaming his mistakes towards others. This just adds more fuel to the fire. He shouldn't responded at all and close the thread down. Just let the fire burn itself down and controversy will die down. If he continues to replay back, this will be next Dennis Dyack 2.0.

[XTommyDonX]

The only time CAG is an official news source to a blog is when the blog is ripping off CAG's deal news and not giving them credit for it.

I just can't believe that they would blame someone for being unreliable. Look at all the news stories this week and tell me what percent of the stories are made up rumors. I'd estimae about 30-40% which is huge for a site that only posts about a page or two of stories a day. I hope they learned their lesson. I actually think that this was a great project that test the credibility of gaming blogs. It worked, Cheapy and Wombat were correct.

[CheapyD]

Just a heads up, not only will we be discussing this in depth on Monday's CAGcast, but I've also written up an article (which will also be posted on Monday) about how I feel about the situation.

[Short Round]

Just a heads up, not only will we be discussing this in depth on Monday's CAGcast, but I've also written up an article (which will also be posted on Monday) about how I feel about the situation.


Awesome, I can't wait.

[JMEPO]

Just a heads up, not only will we be discussing this in depth on Monday's CAGcast, but I've also written up an article (which will also be posted on Monday) about how I feel about the situation.

:applause: This will be fun.

[DaftPunkFan37]

wow

i cant believe someone was actually able to do it!

[carpwrist]

Can't wait to hear what CheapyD has to say about this.
As for the folks at Kotaku, they should consider this:
http://barnabys.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/squirrel_1.jpg

[speedracer]

Just read the first page of the comments over at Kotaku. Man, that Brian guy is a major league asshole, huh? He must be a VERY IMPORTANT PERSON.

He's not a journalist, because that would mean he would check his sources and not post spurious rumors. He can't be responsible for posting rumors because that would take too much time (his own words). He gets taken for a ride and then gets all butt hurt, like it's anyone's fault but his that he posts spurious rumors.

First. Class. Ass.

Later Kotaku, not gonna miss your feed nearly enough. Hell, I even saw the story on the feed and was wondering how such absurd tripe ended up posted. Now I know.

[hiccupleftovers]

Just a heads up, not only will we be discussing this in depth on Monday's CAGcast, but I've also written up an article (which will also be posted on Monday) about how I feel about the situation.

I will be eagerly waiting for tomorrow's article and CAGcast. I enjoy listening to the CAGcasts, but this one will be particularly enjoyable. I just can't get over the fact that Crecente wants to be considered a 'real" journalist withouth doing any proper vetting of his source(s) or of rumors. A brand new user of CAG with very few posts to his name would sound some alarms in my head, just from the experience I have with the internet and message boards/forums. Still, I hope that I have a bit of credibility on CAG, I have posted some deals here and there and been in the discussion for a time, but school is now taking too much of my time to really be on CAG as much as I would like.

I can't wait for tomorrow, I hope that Crecente will then give a proper update or link to the CAGcast for a real source and article. My anticipation for the CAGcast is going to be akin to my anticipation for the Heroes season premiere. :lol:

The only time CAG is an official news source to a blog is when the blog is ripping off CAG's deal news and not giving them credit for it.

I just can't believe that they would blame someone for being unreliable. Look at all the news stories this week and tell me what percent of the stories are made up rumors. I'd estimae about 30-40% which is huge for a site that only posts about a page or two of stories a day. I hope they learned their lesson. I actually think that this was a great project that test the credibility of gaming blogs. It worked, Cheapy and Wombat were correct.

Very well said and all true, especially the ripping off CAG's deals part without credit.

[xGunCrazyx]

This should be good lol
Can't wait till tomorrow :P

[canestim]

I think it was kinda stupid for Wombat to entice people to make stuff up but you know what, he is right. And that's why I like Wombat, the guy does some stupid stuff but he has the balls to call out people and he is usually right. It's just he usually doesn't know how to handle his words tactfully.

I enjoy reading Kotaku but Crecente has really turned me off. He has been looking like a real douche lately. I think I'll just stick with Joystiq since they mostly have the same articles. Chris Grant and his crew seem more like gamers to me anyway and they are more comedic, like Cheapy and Womat. Crecente and the Kotaku crew are acting more like stuck up journalist pricks than acting like gamers, which is what they should be acting like in my opinion. Give up the bull$hit act already and embrace your site for what it is.

[VioletArrows]

Can't wait to hear what CheapyD has to say about this.
As for the folks at Kotaku, they should consider this:
http://barnabys.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/squirrel_1.jpg

They should consider giving a squirrel Viagra? What the hell would that do?

At any rate, I'm more than amused since now I understand the low standards of the readers. It was actually nice to post back when they had closed commenting, but I haven't touched that place in months, somewhere around when someone posted a story about girl gaming/news blogs and the shit-flinging chimps stepped up to the challenge, proving why a separate space away from them is needed.

[jollydwarf]

Maybe Kotaku didn't/doesn't have the highest level of 'cred' now, but what about the 'legitimate' gaming media sites? I've always thought of IGN as Infotainment-Geared News, GameSpot fucked it up permanently with Gerstmanngate, and 1up is pretty much finished now, per the back-to-back departures of Jeff Green and Shawn Elliott (the tail end of an employee exodus started over a year ago).

I think the blogs are inherently too unreliable (if not often cheekily entertaining), and the major sites are such huge targets for publisher pressure that they simply have to be questioned with every (p)review. Hell, you can't even trust your fellow posters, as they're often impossibly predisposed by their own childish, petty biases...or are some sort of plant. It may not be alone in this phenomenon, but as gaming gets bigger and more mainstream, its media becomes less credible. It's pretty fucked up, but there ain't enough of 'us' to counter the consumption of unchecked bullshit by the overeager masses.

The only workaround I can see is what I've done for years; take everything from CAG to GameRankings and synthesize a 'consensus' to make educated guesses from.

P.S. And don't think that 'real' magazines and sites are going to become the credible sources. The latest Time gave The Force Unleashed an "A". Even Maxim questions if they actually played it.

[mykevermin]

We're still talking about what some mildly-relevant-at-best blog cried and moaned about?

When the hell did CAG become Bill O'Reilly?

[GuilewasNK]

We're still talking about what some mildly-relevant-at-best blog cried and moaned about?

When the hell did CAG become Bill O'Reilly?

CAG is more like Neal Boortz IMO.

[mykevermin]

Ow. I was thinking HuffPo, but you know, my ideology won't let me admit to there being whining crybabies on the left. ;)

[XTommyDonX]

And doesn't a "journalist" generally go right to the source and question them before making a statement? Look at television journalists who travel to other countries, sometimes in the middle of actual battlefields to get to the bottom of a situation. Now are you telling me that the blogger couldn't figure out for his/herself that there was some type of contest going on just by looking at posts made by other people? That's all they really had to do, it's not dangerous or anything...

It's just a little ridiculous that they had to go right on ahead and post this as soon as they could without any attempt to verify it.

[GuilewasNK]

Ow. I was thinking HuffPo, but you know, my ideology won't let me admit to there being whining crybabies on the left. ;)

:lol:

[Friend of Sonic]

This is all very silly that they're trying to blame CAG for their lack of credibility. This is sort of like OJ Simpson spotting Charles Manson in the back of the court room and saying, "Charles Manson is responsible for so many deaths."

[zewone]

Very similar to that.

[Friend of Sonic]

Very similar to that.
Is that sarcasm? :-#

[XxFuRy2Xx]

Can't wait to listen to the CAGcast. This will actually be the first one I listen to.

[hufferstl]

I hate news sites that call themselves blogs. Fair use to other people's stories has gotten out of hand. I just want a news site that reports things.

Most(if not all) people that go to Kotaku.com, go there for NEWS, not ANALYSIS.

[BlueSwim]

Just a heads up, not only will we be discussing this in depth on Monday's CAGcast, but I've also written up an article (which will also be posted on Monday) about how I feel about the situation.


Hey Cheapy, have you considered/would you consider trying to get Brian Crecente on the show next week to talk about what happened?

[lilboo]

Hey Cheapy, have you considered/would you consider trying to get Brian Crecente on the show next week to talk about what happened?

Is it really that deep? :-s

[Panther1484]

Can not wait to hear the CAGcast and to read the article.

[VioletArrows]

Is it really that deep? :-s

No, but it is that hilarious.

[gunm]

Is it really that deep? :-s


It's been a while since the show had a real guest/interview.

[yukine]

It's been a while since the show had a real guest/interview.

Yeah, Shipwreck doesn't count. [-(

[lilboo]

Why is this turning out to be such a big deal?
If he shows up on the CAGCast to discuss this, then I was right: He is just acting like a titty just for the attention.

[cochesecochese]

It's becoming a thing because of the way Crecente reacted, plain and simple. Engadget just said 'it was a fake' and that was the end of it. Crecente whimpered like a little girl and pointed the finger at CAG instead of just fessing up to getting hosed. What he doesn't seem to understand is that CAG is a video game deal website and Cheapy only posts stuff to the front page that has been confirmed.

[FriskyTanuki]

I can see why Brian hates Cheapy and CAG, which promotes baldness all over the site and he's biased against baldness.

[BlueSwim]

Is it really that deep? :-s

I was thinking about how entertaining the show that resulted from his appearence would be. What happened was a pretty big deal judging by all the comments the original Kotaku post got, not to mention a several page thread both here and over on GAF.

[muteprophet2000]

this is rich. this weeks cag cast is going to be soo good

[Chase]

this is rich. this weeks cag cast is going to be soo good


I have it downloaded on iTunes. I'll have to listen to it later today. I am really interested to hear Cheapy and Wombat's thoughts on the matter. :D

[Wombat]

there is no way our show can live up to expectaion, prepare to be dissappointed, kinda like Fable 2

[DQT]

there is no way our show can live up to expectaion, prepare to be dissappointed, kinda like Fable 2

To be fair, that'd be impossible. I've noticed these boards really thrive on conflict against other communities. If it doesn't meet our expectations, it's our own fault blowing this out of proportion. I'm sure both parties would like to move on from this, but both their respective communities are reluctant to let that happen.

[GuilewasNK]

To be fair, that'd be impossible. I've noticed these boards really thrive on conflict against other communities. If it doesn't meet our expectations, it's our own fault blowing this out of proportion. I'm sure both parties would like to move on from this, but both their respective communities are reluctant to let that happen.


Nothing like promotion via controversy, eh?

[Corvin]

:lol: I totally missed out on this over the weekend so I've been catching up after listening to the CAGcast. The timeliness of the prank, the result and this thread definitely bring teh funny. I am however saddened by the lack of 'Kotaku / pwned' pics I thought I was sure to find in here.

I only check Kotaku occasionally but probably won't anymore. Their site is one giant eye-sore anyway.

[FriskyTanuki]

http://kotaku.com/5052732/ea-suspends-crecente-over-fruitfucker

More bad news for Crecente.

[gunm]

Meh, he posted that himself. I wonder if he is trying to capitalize on being the new "heel" of Internet gaming blogdom? Either way, it's clear he could give two shits about what goes on his site as long as people keep going there.

I think it'd benefit both CAG and Kotaku to have some kind of Internetz feud. Cheapy and Brian should both go on each other's podcasts and just cut promos on each other for a few weeks and then have the gaming-blog equivalent of Wrestlemania. They should make the event PPV -- win win for everyone!

[chwisch87]

Ok would someone Adam Sessler be called out like this if he went off on the game blogs? Probably not. The fact of the matter is Crecente felt like CAG is a easy target. I MEAN COME ON!! CAG IS NOT A RUMORS site. Seriously, you have to have a few sources within Microsoft and such when you are someone supposedly as big as Mr. Shit don't stink Crecente. Can't you email someone for at least something of a confirmation??

[xylotism]

Gotta laugh at the part at the end where he gets all super serious and talks about CAG no longer having credibility. Dude's just pissed that he fell for it and was proof of the point being made in the first place. Blogs will post anything even remotely plausible with very little/no research done to support it.

As I said in the comments of their post, their little chest-puffing statement at the end is laughable. Pretending they wouldn't post major news from this site is a joke. If some CAG posted some (at least semi-credible) news about the Wii dropping to $200 (or whatever), you can bet your ass Kotaku would put it on their site immediately, as would pretty much every other popular gaming blog.

But Kane, the Wii is dropping to $199 in November. Didn't you get the secret CAG news team memo?

[MSUHitman]

Ok would someone Adam Sessler be called out like this if he went off on the game blogs? Probably not. The fact of the matter is Crecente felt like CAG is a easy target. I MEAN COME ON!! CAG IS NOT A RUMORS site. Seriously, you have to have a few sources within Microsoft and such when you are someone supposedly as big as Mr. Shit don't stink Crecente. Can't you email someone for at least something of a confirmation??

Sessler actually went off on the blogs on his video podcast, Sessler's Soapbox, right before this whole mess started because no one called G4 to verify the 360 relaunch rumor.

[bingbangboom]

BTW, Kotaku just reported that Amazon is giving away a 1600 Point Card when you purchase RockBand2.

"Here's a deal for you, bargain shoppers. If you're in the market for Rock Band 2 on Xbox 360, you could do worse than buy the game from Amazon, because the online retailer is giving away MS points with every purchase of the game. 1600 MS points, to be precise, which you'll get if you order the game before October 4, a none too shabby amount that should have you bickering with friends and loved ones over which DLC to buy in no time."

No credit given to CAG nor is this really news. Not only that it was reported a few days later then originally announced. Someone is just looking to raise their post count.

[Costa]

This is proof that gaming blogs, journalism is a joke, any rumor can get posted for hits and views, but going with a story in a forum(not on front pg) without doing research is sad, and the brian Cresente guy reminds me of the guy in high school who wanted to hang out with the cool kids, but instead ending up holding his wang by his pc on weekends. maybe you should cut that awful long hair of yours, so you can see that Cheapy's and wombats point were proven, do your fact checks 1st and maybe your pants and credibity wont be caught by your ankles!

[shieryda]

there is no way our show can live up to expectaion, prepare to be dissappointed, kinda like Fable 2

Nooooooooooo! Don't say that!

[shieryda]

I can see why Brian hates Cheapy and CAG, which promotes baldness all over the site and he's biased against baldness.

No, that's Joystiq. With all the talk of the fabled "Laser Comb".

[Fuzi0n]

About 5 minutes into this (http://kotaku.com/5058723/heres-your-kotaku-video-podcast-maybe) podcast video discussion thing they kind of take another dig not directly at CAG, but rumors who may not come from credible sources. But the way he says it you kind of get the feeling where it's directed.

[AlohaMars2]

I hate to be a necro poster but I didn't want to make another thread and thought that this little shot from Kotaku today might interest people.

http://kotaku.com/5155358/get-a-good-deal-on-games

[zewone]

I hate to be a necro poster but I didn't want to make another thread and thought that this little shot from Kotaku today might interest people.

http://kotaku.com/5155358/get-a-good-deal-on-games

What a bitch.

[Ikohn4ever]

ehh is hive mind really that rough a diss.

[zewone]

ehh is hive mind really that rough a diss.

I just don't see the need to explain how Cheapy makes money, when Crecente doesn't do that for the other sites listed.

[CheapyD]

I hate to be a necro poster but I didn't want to make another thread and thought that this little shot from Kotaku today might interest people.

http://kotaku.com/5155358/get-a-good-deal-on-games

I disagree...It's just a summary of the mention of the WSJ article.


Of course, there's always old-fashioned bargain-hunting. Several years ago, David Abrams became obsessed with finding bargains online, often buying cheap electronics, such as fax machines, simply because they were inexpensive. An avid videogame player, Mr. Abrams launched www.cheapassgamer.com (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/../) to help other parsimonious consumers find deals from retailers. Now residing in Tokyo, the former New Yorker is adding a videogame-deals search engine to streamline the process. The site also has an avid community of more than 200,000 users who offer tips about finding the best deals online. The site makes money through a commission collected from online retailers for referral sales, he says.


Dane Galden, 42, checked out Mr. Abrams's Web site over the holidays and learned that the new Electronic Arts (http://online.wsj.com/public/quotes/main.html?type=djn&symbol=erts) Inc. puzzle game Boom Blox would be available at Target for less than half of its retail price. After buying the last two copies from the store, the Columbus, Ohio, product-development consultant then took the Target circular to a different retailer to "price match" and received the lower price, a technique he learned on CAG. He also checks the site for sales throughout the year and hoards discounted products for his son's birthday and Christmas presents. "I probably spend less money now overall than I used to, but I get more stuff," he says.

[Ikohn4ever]

I just don't see the need to explain how Cheapy makes money, when Crecente doesn't do that for the other sites listed.

GameStop (http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://www.gamestop.com/&ei=BDWbScKSAYGStQP9jaCqAg&usg=AFQjCNFCTUGGjHqEjh-4hlqWNEZHb4t8Vg): The granddaddy of the used games (http://kotaku.com/tag/used-games/) business with more than 6,100 stores world wide.
Switch Games (http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://www.switchgames.com/&ei=-TSbSfz1PJqWsAPd9fmZAg&usg=AFQjCNE4fSVs8yKVzfyQhhqA52yoo2YCmQ): A free website for online trading of consoles and games with a social network for game trade matchmaking.
Goozex (http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://www.goozex.com/&ei=7jSbSaj6B5GYsAPi-6SsAg&usg=AFQjCNGbLbeSPnCdLoTZbptgcDjJqeVvGg): An online trading site for gamers that uses a special point system.
GameFly (http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://www.gamefly.com/&ei=4TSbSZ6iLp3gsAP099mvAg&usg=AFQjCNHS7TDHpmahEa7Ow4kMlHysjghZew): The $16 a month video game rental service that also offers used game sales.
GameTap (http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://www.gametap.com/&ei=1jSbSeqiNpmMsQP22f2sAg&usg=AFQjCNHTSGf7evGK_f5-GLua9_2zQc19Nw): Well-known download service for older PC games.
Good Old Games (http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://www.gog.com/&ei=xzSbSfOuD4nOtQOG4LGbAg&usg=AFQjCNETzR4SEVnfMCyORo_A8Eh0xL0P0g): Another download service for PC games, this one from CD Projekt.
Cheap Ass Gamer (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/../): Hive mind for video gaming deals world wide, makes it's money through a commission collected from online retailers for referral sales.




also it says it specifically in the article

[Z(+)DIAC]

I've read it a few times, and I can't but help feel as though it was a bit of a shot at CAG. Just the context, and referencing of every other store and matching it to waht was said about CAG...well...

[GuilewasNK]

I just don't see the need to explain how Cheapy makes money, when Crecente doesn't do that for the other sites listed.

I've read it a few times, and I can't but help feel as though it was a bit of a shot at CAG. Just the context, and referencing of every other store and matching it to waht was said about CAG...well...


It isn't like its that hard to figure out how Cheapy makes money. To call that taking a shot at CAG is a stretch.