McCain suspends campaign to "focus on economy" - delay debates

[thrustbucket]

Source: Drudgereport (www.drudgereport.com/).

MCCAIN SUSPENDS CAMPAIGN TO FOCUS ON ECONOMY; WANTS DEBATE DELAY
Wed Sept 24 2008 14:58:02 ET

MCCAIN: America this week faces an historic crisis in our financial system. We must pass legislation to address this crisis. If we do not, credit will dry up, with devastating consequences for our economy. People will no longer be able to buy homes and their life savings will be at stake. Businesses will not have enough money to pay their employees. If we do not act, ever corner of our country will be impacted. We cannot allow this to happen.

Last Friday, I laid out my proposal and I have since discussed my priorities and concerns with the bill the Administration has put forward. Senator Obama has expressed his priorities and concerns.This morning, I met with a group of economic advisers to talk about the proposal on the table and the steps that we should take going forward.I have also spoken with members of Congress to hear their perspective.

It has become clear that no consensus has developed to support the Administration' proposal. I do not believe that the plan on the table will pass as it currently stands, and we are running out of time.

Tomorrow morning, I will suspend my campaign and return to Washington after speaking at the Clinton Global Initiative. I have spoken to Senator Obama and informed him of my decision and have asked him to join me.

I am calling on the President to convene a meeting with the leadership from both houses of Congress, including Senator Obama and myself. It is time for both parties to come together to solve this problem.

We must meet as Americans, not as Democrats or Republicans, and we must meet until this crisis is resolved.I am directing my campaign to work with the Obama campaign and the commission on presidential debates to delay Friday night's debate until we have taken action to address this crisis.

I am confident that before the markets open on Monday we can achieve consensus on legislation that will stabilize our financial markets, protect taxpayers and homeowners, and earn the confidence of the American people. All we must do to achieve this is temporarily set politics aside, and I am committed to doing so.

Following September 11th, our national leaders came together at a time of crisis. We must show that kind of patriotism now. Americans across our country lament the fact that partisan divisions in Washington have prevented us from addressing our national challenges. Now is our chance to come together to prove that Washington is once again capable of leading this country.

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[mykevermin]

Huh. Just read that now.

Dunno. A political stunt on both ends, to be sure - all maneuvers at this point by any of the four are.

But it's peculiar that only McCain is the one calling for the debate to be postponed. Will it help him? Will it backfire? Will Obama condemn him or jump on board?

(c'mon, he's a democrat, so he'll pitch a fit and then jump on board! :lol:)

[lilboo]

:wall:

How is the economy just going to randomly change?
Wouldn't getting out of Iraq be a HUGE first step? :-k

[BigPopov]

Another political stunt. I'm sure if it happens, Palin's debate will somehow be pushed too far back.

[mykevermin]

Palin needs her own popemobile so we can get a visualization of how overprotected she is.

[KingBroly]

Apparently, McCain got ahead of himself on an Obama call from early this morning. They HAVE TO pass thing. We may not like it, but from everything I've heard, if it doesn't happened, the economy is screwed. Not just our economy either, the world economy.

[SpazX]

Seems like an act of desperation. McCain can say this and suspend his campaign and what-not and if Obama doesn't do the same he can harp on it for the next month. Obviously neither John McCain or Barack Obama are absolutely necessary to the Senate for them to make any decisions about the economy.

The first debate is about foreign policy, correct? I think at this point in time not a whole lot of people are going to care and the one debate that could improve McCain's numbers isn't going to have much of an effect. Delaying it until after some decision has been made about fixing the economy (and the positive rhetoric that follows that decision) of course makes the foreign policy debate more important (which would help McCain), and weakens the impact of the debate on domestic policy (which would hurt Obama, as he's currently seen as better on the economy, etc.).

Or maybe I'm just a cynic.

[mykevermin]

Apparently, McCain got ahead of himself on an Obama call from early this morning. They HAVE TO pass thing. We may not like it, but from everything I've heard, if it doesn't happened, the economy is screwed. Not just our economy either, the world economy.

Something about Paulson and Bernanke's urgency seems so fuckin' forced that I picture this each time I read about how we need to give away nearly a TRILLION dollars right now:

http://www.freewebs.com/mypicturesandsht/simpsons%20monorail.gif

[ananag112]

I don't get it.

McCain and Obama are not directly involved with this bailout plan. Why do they need to suspend everything else to help with this plan? Why can't they just do both? The debate is not that long and I am sure all the prep work has been done for the debate anyway.

I have been waiting for this debate for a long time. They better not postpone it.

[KingBroly]

So what do you think will happen if the bailout doesn't get passed?

[mykevermin]

The same shit that will happen if it does, but without the $1.4 trillion annual deficit marking a damn-near 200% increase over the previous record set by Bush.

Nothin'.

[JolietJake]

He's trying to make it seem like he cares more about the country than his own campaign. If Obama doesn't agree, then suddenly he only cares about his own campaign.

Nothing more than a political stunt.

[KingBroly]

So you don't think we're going to go into a depression?

[FloodsAreUponUS]

I love how Obama said they can handle both.

I bet there is a matlock marathon on tonight, and McCain will be damned if he misses it.

[Snake2715]

What shit.

[mykevermin]

So you don't think we're going to go into a depression?

Oh no, I do think that. But that's going to happen no matter the case.

This influx of money will go to all the regular suspects, y'know. (i.e., not us)

[FloodsAreUponUS]

I think its probably not the best time to be spending that 400 dollars on speakers ATM.

[dmaul1114]

Crafty way to kill to birds with one stone.

1. He's doing badly in the polls and likely would not make up ground in the debate--would probably lose more since he's weak on the economy and you can bet the debates would hammer that topic.

2. He's down in the polls because he's fairs poorly with voters on the economy, so he does this to make it seem like he's doing something about the economy.

Annoying, but definitely a crafty move by him on paper. It could backfire if people catch on, but the average population are sheep and will probably buy it hook, line and sinker.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

I really hope Obama calls him out on this Bullshit. What can you do Mr. John "The Fundamentals of our Economy are strong" McCain? Think you know more about the economy then the people already in Washington? Go Drink your Ensure.

[Msut77]

Apparently, McCain got ahead of himself on an Obama call from early this morning. They HAVE TO pass thing. We may not like it, but from everything I've heard, if it doesn't happened, the economy is screwed. Not just our economy either, the world economy.

There is no reason to make an ill informed decision just because W is running around with underwear on his head telling everyone to panic.

[dmaul1114]

I really hope Obama calls him out on this Bullshit. What can you do Mr. John "The Fundamentals of our Economy are strong" McCain? Think you know more about the economy then the people already in Washington? Go Drink your Ensure.

Obama is in kind of a tight spot. If he attacks McCain can paint him as carrying more about politics than the economy which effects normal folks.

He really has no choice but to go along with it.

He can try playing the "I can do both" card and saying what kind of president would McCain be if he can't run a campaign and focus on issues at the same time, but that's pretty risky IMO.

[Msut77]

Obama is in kind of a tight spot. If he attacks McCain can paint him as carrying more about politics than the economy which effects normal folks.

He really has no choice but to go along with it.

He can try playing the "I can do both" card and saying what kind of president would McCain be if he can't run a campaign and focus on issues at the same time, but that's pretty risky IMO.

If it were up to me I would place my bet on the American people starting to smell the Bullshit from the McCain camp.

Does anyone know if there will still be McCain campaign commercials running?

[KingBroly]

The American people want action, and they like hearing about action.

[dmaul1114]

If it were up to me I would place my bet on the American people starting to smell the Bullshit from the McCain camp.


I have no faith in the American people. Electing Bush twice was proof enough.

[mykevermin]

Obama's campaign says he'll be at the debate.

[Msut77]

The American people want action, and they like hearing about action.

The last time people decided to blindly follow Bush and let him do whatever he would like we got Iraq.

Being led blindly off a cliff hardly qualifies as action.

[Snake2715]

Why does the OP's post vary significantly from the one on MSNBC? Particularly where I bolded? Whos idea was this?



NEW YORK - Republican John McCain said Wednesday he is directing his staff to work with Democrat Barack Obama's campaign and the presidential debate commission to delay Friday's debate because of the economic crisis.

Obama's campaign says he is inclined to go ahead with Friday's presidential debate, even though his rival is calling for a delay.

In a statement, McCain said he will stop campaigning after addressing former President Clinton's Global Initiative session on Thursday and return to Washington to focus on the nation's financial problems.

Meanwhile, the University of Mississippi, which is slated to host Friday's debate, issued a statement saying they are going forward with preparation.

"We expect the debate to occur as planned," university officials said.

The Republican presidential hopeful called Obama before he made the statement and told him he was going to suspend his campaign, according to a McCain senior adviser.

According to the source, McCain wants to create a "political free zone" until a deal is reached on legislation for a $700 billion bailout of the financial industry.

McCain said he wants President Bush to convene a leadership meeting in Washington that would include him and Obama.

"It has become clear that no consensus has developed to support the administration's proposal," McCain said. "I do not believe that the plan on the table will pass as it currently stands, and we are running out of time."

McCain said if Congress does not pass legislation to address the crisis, credit will dry up, people will no longer be able to buy homes, life savings will be at stake and businesses will not have enough money

"If we do not act, every corner of our country will be impacted," McCain said. "We cannot allow this to happen."

McCain also canceled his planned appearance Wednesday on CBS' "Late Show With David Letterman" program.

McCain said he has spoken to Obama about his plans and asked the Democratic presidential nominee to join him.

The Obama campaign said the Illinois senator had called McCain around 8:30 a.m. Wednesday to propose that they issue a joint statement in support of a package to help fix the economy as soon as possible. McCain called back six hours later and agreed to the idea of the statement, the Obama campaign said. McCain's statement about postponing his campaign was issued to the media a few minutes later.

"We must meet as Americans, not as Democrats or Republicans, and we must meet until this crisis is resolved," McCain said. "I am confident that before the markets open on Monday we can achieve consensus on legislation that will stabilize our financial markets, protect taxpayers and homeowners, and earn the confidence of the American people. All we must do to achieve this is temporarily set politics aside, and I am committed to doing so."

McCain advisers said they are also reaching out to the Obama campaign to discuss pulling political television advertisements from airing, as well.

McCain's statement was an effort to show leadership on an issue that has spread economic fears across the country and overshadowed the presidential campaign just six weeks from Election Day.

The economy has not been McCain's strongest suit, and his move was an attempt to turn it into an opportunity to show he's the candidate of bipartisanship and action. Recent polls showed Obama with an advantage with voters in handling the economy.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

I have no faith in the American people. Electing Bush twice was proof enough.

Bravo. I concur.

The Poll on CNN.com about this shows that about 70% of people are thinking that its a stunt by McCain.

[Msut77]

Bravo. I concur.

The Poll on CNN.com about this shows that about 70% of people are thinking that its a stunt by McCain.

It really does have the stench of cowardice.

[thrustbucket]

Why does the OP's post vary significantly from the one on MSNBC? Particularly where I bolded? Whos idea was this?

I just copied what was on drudge, which looked like the statement as it was sent from McCain's people. What you saw on MSNBC is a STORY about it, interlaced with McCain's statement.

I have no faith in the American people. Electing Bush twice was proof enough.

I would agree, with one twist: Electing Bush twice is not reason alone for me to lose faith in the American people, it is the inability of the American people to break out of, or even see past, the faux two party system, that leaves me with no faith in them.

[Snake2715]

I just copied what was on drudge, which looked like the statement as it was sent from McCain's people. What you saw on MSNBC is a STORY about it, interlaced with McCain's statement.


Thurst I understand that. I guess I read it on MSNBC and was under the impression that McCain runs out after the return call to Obama and wants to act as if the entire idea is his and was initiated by him for obvious reasons. Most people wont realize or care that McCain is not going to have the final say in the isssue at hand, its potentially good press.

I have looked at this vry limited due to me being at work and I was actually wondering whos idea it was and what was the original idea.

[KingBroly]

The last time people decided to blindly follow Bush and let him do whatever he would like we got Iraq.

Being led blindly off a cliff hardly qualifies as action.

This is the same situation. People don't know what's going to happen.

I think, in the end, McCain will show up at the debate, as long as the topic changes to the economy. Even then, he'll probably show up anyway.

[HotShotX]

If I'm keeping score right:

Obama refuses to attend the "Town-Hall Meeting" style debates McCain requested....
McCain increases negative tone of campaign when attacking Obama....

McCain wishes to delay national debates to focus on the economic crisis....
Obama....

Going to be interesting to see where this goes, but I think that an additional senator on each side will not push this along any more efficiently, and their time is better spent debating.

Less than 45 days before election day, we've had speech after speech after speech from Obama/Biden, and soundbyte after soundbyte after soundbyte from McCain/Palin (you know, when they actually let her out of the house), but nothing really of substance.

If they delay or even remove one of these debates, I recommend they condense all 3 into a single, hour-long cage match.

My whole viewpoint on this is as follows: "Let the House & Senate deal with the negotiations, you two jackasses want to take up responsibility for fixing this mess for the next 4 years, and your interview isn't over yet, so sit your ass down and explain how your ideology is effective".

~HotShotX

[Msut77]

This is the same situation. People don't know what's going to happen.

I think they have a clue about what will happen if they give dipshits a blank check and dictatorial powers.

Point being that it went do terribly the last time if you needed it pointed out.

[freakyzeeky]

I just find it funny that McCain, who admittedly said in the past that the economy isn't his strongest point, today called for the delay of this debate to focus on the Bailout Bill... you know, to potentially fix the economy? ;)

Definitely more of a political move. I don't think he would have done this on his own accord if this same financial crisis happened in a non-election year.

[dmaul1114]

Obama responded, we'll see how it pans out.

From cnn.com


"It's my belief that this is exactly the time when the American people need to hear from the person will be the next president," Obama said. "It is going to be part of the president's job to deal with more than one thing at once. It's more important than ever to present ourselves to the American people."

Regarding McCain's call to join him in Washington to help participate in the debate over the economic recovery plan, Obama said, "If I can be helpful then I'm prepared to be anywhere, any time ... [I] don't want to infuse Capitol Hill with presidential politics."

Hopefully people will not buy McCains schtick here and this will further hurt him in the polls.

[KingBroly]

Interesting that Reid yesterday said he wanted McCain in Washington to help get Republicans on board the plan, but today does a 180 on the subject.

[level1online]

Don't take this latest move too lightly folks.

President Bush speaks tonight, don't be surprised if immediately afterwards all the talking heads repeat in unison, "Yes, pass this bill, this IS what the American people want. Let's call it the "Economic Patriot-Freedom Bill!" Barack Obama oughta be ashamed of himself for not joining hands with McCain! *...this just in* There's been a huge shift in the polls! McCain leads!"

create the problem. manipulate the reaction. offer the solution.

it's a great 1-2-3 punch that Americans fall for all the time.... including liberals.

like some have stated in the other threads, it does seem Bush wants to put off the inevitable economic collapse until the next presidency.

[Msut77]

Interesting that Reid yesterday said he wanted McCain in Washington to help get Republicans on board the plan, but today does a 180 on the subject.

It is the Democratic Party's fault that McCain is incapable of doing two things at once. Got it.

[Ikohn4ever]

a pathetic move by McCain that he will most likely turn into an attack ad.

[Tybee]

Apparently, McCain got ahead of himself on an Obama call from early this morning.

That's an interesting way of putting it. I've been watching CNN all day. What happened was Obama called McCain this morning to propose releasing a joint statement on the bailout in the spirit of unity (the idea was first put to him by Tom Coburn, republican senator from Texas). This was confirmed by both campaigns. McCain then waited 6 hours to call him back, apparently agreeing with the idea but also suggesting they might consider delaying the debate, an idea Obama did not agree to. Minutes later, McCain pops up on TV announcing he's suspending his campaign to focus on the bailout and imploring Obama and the debate committee to postpone Friday's debate? Can we say political grandstanding?

Obama's response that presidents have to be able to focus on more than one thing at a time is spot on and really makes McCain look frail.

They HAVE TO pass thing. We may not like it, but from everything I've heard, if it doesn't happened, the economy is screwed. Not just our economy either, the world economy.From everything I've heard, there's enriched uranium and chemical weapons in Iraq! Let's go!

[Frogurt.man]

Interesting that Reid yesterday said he wanted McCain in Washington to help get Republicans on board the plan, but today does a 180 on the subject.

He probably did a 180 when he saw this

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,426232,00.html

[fatherofcaitlyn]

McCain is frail.

Fixed.

[HowStern]

This is a good read.
Dirty Secret Of The Bailout: Thirty-Two Words That None Dare Utter (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/22/dirty-secret-of-the-bailo_n_128294.html)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/22/dirty-secret-of-the-bailo_n_128294.html

[mykevermin]

Time-sensitive panic?

Being asked to trust in our elected officials?

Executive privilege?

No oversight?

No accountability?

Man, I hate reruns.

David Letterman, according to Drudge: "You don't suspend your campaign. This doesn't smell right. This isn't the way a tested hero behaves." And he joked: "I think someone's putting something in his metamucil. He can't run the campaign because the economy is cratering? Fine, put in your second string quarterback, Sara Palin. Where is she? What are you going to do if you're elected and things get tough? Suspend being president? We've got a guy like that now!"

[kongfunk]

So if they have the debate, and McCain get's his ass kicked by Obama he can just say he was worried about the econmy and he couldn't think about anything else. He's old and he can only think about 2 things at the same time and one's keeping kids off his lawn.

[Ikohn4ever]

CNN's Dana Bash reports that McCain officials are "trying to negotiate with the Obama campaign and the presidential debate commission. What they are saying, and what he is saying is that they are proposing to instead of having next Thursday the vice presidential debate in St. Louis, to make that the presidential debate and then to delay the VP debate to another time. That is what they are proposing, they understand very well that both the Obama campaign and the debate commission have no intention of delaying Friday's debate, but both he and a senior advisor that if there is no bailout deal by Friday, McCain has no plan to go to


kind of figured that was coming

[Dr Mario Kart]

I'd be up for delaying the Presidential debates to whenever they want if they can do Biden-Palin this Friday instead. I need my lulz.

[mykevermin]

No kidding. Since I'll be all roller-derbyin' it up in Houston next weekend and won't be able to watch the debate live, bring on the VP debate tomorrow! Awesome! Pop quiz for Sarah Palin!

[bigdaddy]

Because he had shown up recently so much in DC? Plus I thought the economy was strong? Then some Republican asshole tried to blame the problems now on Bill Clinton in 1999!

The Republicans are evil and will try anything to win (or steal0 and election and the democrats are so god damn wussie babies they will sit they and take it.

[Dr Mario Kart]

Hey, I'll be in Houston next weekend also, for a Smash tournament (Oct 4)

[mykevermin]

I'll be there 10/2 through Sunday evening. We should grab a beer.

That homeboy Strell comin' with?

By the way, I have a request: can someone 'Shop Sarah Palin in a popemobile for me? I'm just dreadful with the program, I admit.

[Cheese]

This is, without a doubt, the best election ever.

PS - check out the front page of the national enquirer.

Also, watch Letterman tonight:

From Drudge...
EXCLUSIVE: LETTERMAN MOCKS MCCAIN CANCELLATION
Wed Sep 24 2008 17:41:58 ET

David Letterman tells audience that McCain called him today to tell him he had to rush back to DC to deal with the economy.

Then in the middle of the taping Dave got word that McCain was, in fact just down the street being interviewed by Katie Couric. Dave even cut over to the live video of the interview, and said, "Hey Senator, can I give you a ride home?"

Earlier in the show, Dave kept saying, "You don't suspend your campaign. This doesn't smell right. This isn't the way a tested hero behaves." And he joked: "I think someone's putting something in his metamucil."

"He can't run the campaign because the economy is cratering? Fine, put in your second string quarterback, Sara Palin. Where is she?"

"What are you going to do if you're elected and things get tough? Suspend being president? We've got a guy like that now!"

ALSO: Palin did an interview with Katie Couric, too. Wheeeeeeeee!

[Koggit]

Why does the OP's post vary significantly from the one on MSNBC? Particularly where I bolded? Whos idea was this?

Because his source is a partisan hack (drudge). We've covered this many times, but people like Thrust continue to let Drudge filter their news for them so they only hear the side he wants them to hear... which of course dampens positive Dem press and amplifies positive Rep press.

[thrustbucket]

Because his source is a partisan hack (drudge). We've covered this many times, but people like Thrust continue to let Drudge filter their news for them so they only hear the side he wants them to hear... which of course dampens positive Dem press and amplifies positive Rep press.

Are you joking or being purposely obtuse and ignorant?

We covered this. Drudge simply posted the announcement from the McCain camp within seconds of it being released. It was not a link to a story, because there WERE NO STORIES YET. That's what I copied, because it was BREAKING and straight off the wire.

It was not a story. There was no added spin. There was no fucking filter. Drudge just posted it as it came, hence the DEVELOPING at the bottom. It was not given context of the day and flavor, as a STORY would have. The MSNBC article was and did, and came out afterwards AS A fucking NEWS STORY.

Since I posted, and SINCE the MSNBC story, drudge now has several added negative-for-McCain side stories to it at the top of his page.

Put down your stereotypical dumbass lefty playbook and read, think, and analyze for a once.

[Koggit]

The absolute fact of the matter, and I honestly don't care whether or not you acknowledge this fact, is that Drudge's site assimilates articles that lean his (partisan) way. His site is partisan. Fact.

If you want to use Drudge as a news source in addition to other (nonpartisan, or liberal-leaning partisan) sources, that's absolutely fine. So long as you're seeing both sides of the story. But please, don't try to tell me Drudge is balanced. Such an assertion insults my intelligence. It does nothing but show that you think I'm stupid, to believe such a blatant lie. Drudge is a partisan hack, and his site reflects that.

Aren't you the one who posted some Mexican anti-global warming article by a lone scientist that he had run through Google translate and posted as a headline? I'll be in the corner LOLing if you need me.

[thrustbucket]

Putting words in my mouth won't absolve you of being a knee jerking fool of yourself in post before last. Automatically assuming that because I simply pasted a newswire feed, and it's source, for people to discuss, I somehow endorse the source(s) is assanine and you know it.

I never defended Drudge. I don't care if he's a partisan hack. I don't care about him. I check his site, among others, because he breaks news stories first, often. That's why he has the most popular site on the net. People from all political leanings check it. That's a fact you have to accept along with your belief in his partisan hack.

[Dead of Knight]

McCain and his campaign are such a fucking joke.

[Tybee]

it is hilarious to me that the McCain people are seriously positing the idea of indefinitely postponing the VP debate and think America won't see what they're doing.

McCain needs to quit shitting his pampers and get his ass behind the debate podium. And Sarah Palin needs to take her medicine, at long last. I'm sure this seemed like a great idea back before the convention, but the chickens are coming home to roost.

[Ikohn4ever]

it is hilarious to me that the McCain people are seriously positing the idea of indefinitely postponing the VP debate and think America won't see what they're doing.

McCain needs to quit shitting his pampers and get his ass behind the debate podium. And Sarah Palin needs to take her medicine, at long last. I'm sure this seemed like a great idea back before the convention, but the chickens are coming home to roost.

people dont see it.

this is from foxnews.com

Comment by Jody Groves
September 24th, 2008 at 2:58 pm (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/24/mccain-suspends-campaign-to-help-with-bailout/#comment-744556) Good for Senator McCain!!!



Comment by Mark
September 24th, 2008 at 2:58 pm (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/24/mccain-suspends-campaign-to-help-with-bailout/#comment-744557) Good Idea… I hope they can straighten this out without it becoming another reason for more pork barrel spending



Comment by Peter Sahd
September 24th, 2008 at 2:58 pm (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/24/mccain-suspends-campaign-to-help-with-bailout/#comment-744558) This is why McCain should be president.



Comment by Ripley
September 24th, 2008 at 2:58 pm (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/24/mccain-suspends-campaign-to-help-with-bailout/#comment-744559) This is incredible. Now THAT’S what I call Presidential. Good for him. Obviously ONE of the candidates cares what happens to this country, even to his own detriment.


Comment by Tax Payer
September 24th, 2008 at 2:58 pm (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/24/mccain-suspends-campaign-to-help-with-bailout/#comment-744560) Now that’s a representative for the people !!!!



Comment by KSD
September 24th, 2008 at 2:58 pm (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/24/mccain-suspends-campaign-to-help-with-bailout/#comment-744562) He must be about his country’s business. This is truly necessary. Good decision.


Comment by She Tries
September 24th, 2008 at 2:58 pm (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/24/mccain-suspends-campaign-to-help-with-bailout/#comment-744564) Now, that is leadership. Go Johnny Go!!



Comment by Jon
September 24th, 2008 at 2:58 pm (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/24/mccain-suspends-campaign-to-help-with-bailout/#comment-744567) Good bull!

[freakyzeeky]

By the way, I have a request: can someone 'Shop Sarah Palin in a popemobile for me? I'm just dreadful with the program, I admit.

:rofl:

OMG, I'm sooo going to do this tonight... I'll have that pic up as soon as it's done. :lol:

[Tybee]

this is from foxnews.com

You lost me here.

[bigdaddy]

This is how the GOP wins every time, they are sneaky, dirty liars that won't stop until they are in office, and the Democrats will just sit there and take it. The majority of the American people are too stupid to understand and that's how we get into these messes.

[Ikohn4ever]

You lost me here.


ehh its good to look at both sides, know thy enemy

[Dead of Knight]

This is epic burn.... a large portion of Letterman's rant has already been leaked. Hopefully it stays up for a while.
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=XjkCrfylq-E

[Koggit]

assanine

titsaten

[freakyzeeky]

Wow!!! So McCain called up Letterman to say that he won't be appearing on his show because he had suspended his campaign to go to Washington to fix our economy, and is seen being interviewed by Katie Couric while his show is taping? Wow! So does that mean he just straight up... lied to him then? :lol:

[bigdaddy]

Last we knew, McCain was still in NYC as of maybe 9-10 and the show was taped hours ago.

[mykevermin]

Wow. I really think that Letterman's banter will do a lot of damage to McCain.

Didn't see that one coming.

So, was Olbermann the last minute fill-in, perhaps to really rub it in about McCain? Or was it a coincidence?

[Tybee]

Wow!!! So McCain called up Letterman to say that he won't be appearing on his show because he had suspended his campaign to go to Washington to fix our economy, and is seen being interviewed by Katie Couric while his show is taping? Wow! So does that mean he just straight up... lied to him then? :lol:

Not only that, but now this from Politico:

A non-emergency meeting

The McCain campaign's new urgency about the financial crisis didn't entirely clear his schedule this morning.


My colleague Amie Parnes reports that he made it to his scheduled morning meeting with Lady Lynn de Rothschild, a Clinton backer who recently came out in support of him.


All while Obama was waiting by the phone for a returned call.

By Ben Smith 05:30 PMJohn McCain is a dissembler and a fucktard and it makes me SO happy that this is all blowing up in his face.

[Dead of Knight]

Wow. I really think that Letterman's banter will do a lot of damage to McCain.

Didn't see that one coming.

So, was Olbermann the last minute fill-in, perhaps to really rub it in about McCain? Or was it a coincidence?

It clearly was a rub to McCain. I mean seriously, Olbermann? No fucking way that was a coincidence. Especially considering the harsh words Letterman had for McCain.

[KingBroly]

If it was Olbermann on Letterman (I don't watch Late Night TV anymore, I've heard it all before anyways) no way in hell is it a coincidence.

[ProfWho]

Just an update about how much impact McCain will have, it seems that tonight a deal is getting really close

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE48N2AJ20080925

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN2448444820080925?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=10112

Come in after a week of negotations and attempt to claim victory. What an asshole.

[mykevermin]

Yeah, I didn't think it was a coincidence - but I haven't watched a late night talk show since...god only knows how many years it's been.

[winterice]

Anyone know what the audience said when Letterman was asking where our second string quarterback is? Someone in the audience shouted an answer and Letterman said thank you but I can't heard what they said. Its around the 5:50 mark in that video.

[cochesecochese]

Just an update about how much impact McCain will have, it seems that tonight a deal is getting really close

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE48N2AJ20080925

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN2448444820080925?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=10112

Come in after a week of negotations and attempt to claim victory. What an asshole.

You do know you're talking about the guy that won the Vietnam War and invented the Blackberry, right?

Update: Now McJane is trying to get the VP debates canceled. Can you really blame him after seeing how badly Palin tanked with Couric?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMQxDprCVbE

[Friend of Sonic]

LOL@ Letterman. Well played, well played.

[bigdaddy]

You damn well know that McCain (and Bush) will declare victory when a deal is reached tomorrow or Friday. If I were the democrats i wouldn't have a deal until then weekend (yes work on a weekend) so if McCain didn't show up for the debate Obama would have 90 minutes of air time to himself.

And I fell asleep with the TV on, then woke up to the news just now. It seems like I was having a nightmare, but it's all too real.

[chakan]

This is bullshit.

All of it.

[yukine]

The closer the debates are to the election seems like a win for Obama, that way the debate is fresh in people's minds. That's of course assuming that Obama/Biden will own McCain/Palin.

[Capitalizt]

Letterman made a great point. Why not let his Vice President continue the campaign on his behalf? Why bring the whole thing to a grinding halt? he thinks Sarah Palin can be President of the United States...but she can't make a few media appearances for the campaign while he is away?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbg6hF0nShQ

oh wait, he must have seen that. Now I understand.

[johnnypark]

Letterman made a great point. Why not let his Vice President continue the campaign on his behalf? Why bring the whole thing to a grinding halt? he thinks Sarah Palin can be President of the United States...but she can't make a few media appearances for the campaign while he is away?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbg6hF0nShQ

oh wait, he must have seen that. Now I understand.

Wow. I guess that's what she's like when she doesn't have her speech writers or any jokes to tell.

"But... he's a maverick? Remember? You can't trust polls, no one likes Obama. Maverick!"

[Soodmeg]

Has she never taken a speech class? That was horrid. Stumbling over every answer, repeating herself constantly, taking huge pauses in her responses like a kid trying to think of a quick lie when their mom catches them stealing cookies.

[cochesecochese]

The closer the debates are to the election seems like a win for Obama, that way the debate is fresh in people's minds. That's of course assuming that Obama/Biden will own McCain/Palin.

Come on, do you think Palin even has a remote chance against Biden? She could barely get through a Hannity interview and practically melted down with Couric.

Joey's gonna slap her around so hard her daughter is going to miscarry.

[Mr. 420]

Come on, do you think Palin even has a remote chance against Biden? She could barely get through a Hannity interview and practically melted down with Couric.

Joey's gonna slap her around so hard her daughter is going to miscarry.
Amen brother.

[Tybee]

NEWSFLASH:

John McCain suspends campaign to focus on that comfortable looking park bench and hungry pigeons.

John McCain suspends campaign to focus on emptying his Depends.

John McCain suspends campaign to focus on CHARLIE IN THE TREES!!!!

[MSI Magus]

Come on, do you think Palin even has a remote chance against Biden? She could barely get through a Hannity interview and practically melted down with Couric.

Joey's gonna slap her around so hard her daughter is going to miscarry.

I dont know.......I think that he might take it easy on her worried about the image of beating up a woman.

[mykevermin]

Come on, do you think Palin even has a remote chance against Biden? She could barely get through a Hannity interview and practically melted down with Couric.

Joey's gonna slap her around so hard her daughter is going to miscarry.

I think you could find a better way to phrase that.

[yukine]

Come on, do you think Palin even has a remote chance against Biden? She could barely get through a Hannity interview and practically melted down with Couric.

Joey's gonna slap her around so hard her daughter is going to miscarry.
What do you think?

I just don't want to make assumptions, even if there is proof to base them on.

[cochesecochese]

I dont know.......I think that he might take it easy on her worried about the image of beating up a woman.
I think you could find a better way to phrase that.

Duly noted. I was out of line.

What do you think?

I just don't want to make assumptions, even if there is proof to base them on.

Fair enough.

[Tybee]

Looks like they'll turn the Miss. debate into an Obama town hall if John "Lily Liver" McCain doesn't show. 90 minutes of unfettered national coverage devoted to Obama? OUCH.

From HuffPo:


Obama Will Make Debate A Townhall If McCain Doesn't Show (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/25/obama-will-make-debate-a_n_129250.html)



Barack Obama is committed to hosting a public, televised event Friday night in Mississippi even if John McCain does not show up, an official close to the Obama campaign tells the Huffington Post.


In McCain's absence, the Senator is willing to make the scheduled debate a townhall meeting, a one-on-one interview with NewsHour's Jim Lehrer, or the combination of the two, the official said.


Such a course of action could make life incredibly difficult for McCain, who has called for the suspension of the debate in light of the current economic crisis. Should he stay in Washington D.C. -- if a bailout is not completed by then -- and let Obama alone reach tens of millions of television viewers?


A lot, of course, depends upon what the debate commission decides to do. At this point in time, there is no indication that they are going to postpone the affair, as the McCain campaign has asked.


Separately, on Thursday, Obama himself said he was intending (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-campaign26-2008sep26,0,1553407.story) to go to Oxford, Miss for the scheduled debate and called on McCain to be there with him.


"The American people deserve to hear directly from myself and Sen. McCain about how we intend to lead our country," Obama said. "The times are too serious to put our campaign on hold, or to ignore the full range of issues that the next president will face."


Meanwhile, Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour said on Thursday (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PRESIDENTIAL_DEBATE?SITE=WWMTTV&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT) that he expected the debate to go forward as planned.



Oh, btw: Looks like the dems and repubs on the banking committee just announced they have reached an agreement already and believe they have the votes to get it through the House and Senate. Surely we have McCain to thank for this breakthrough, despite the fact that he's in no way associated with that committee and only arrived in D.C. an hour ago.

Guess he shoulda crammed for the debate, huh?

[bigdaddy]

Biden can't win in a debate because Palin is such an idiot that if she says anything it's a win.

Biden doesn't go after her, she wins.
Biden goes after her, he's attacking a woman!

Maybe McCain should be replaced with Ron Paul?

[depascal22]

This election is pure political theater at it's finest. I just can't figure out who the good guy is yet.

[MSI Magus]

Looks like they'll turn the Miss. debate into an Obama town hall if John "Lily Liver" McCain doesn't show. 90 minutes of unfettered national coverage devoted to Obama? OUCH.

From HuffPo:



Oh, btw: Looks like the dems and repubs on the banking committee just announced they have reached an agreement already and believe they have the votes to get it through the House and Senate. Surely we have McCain to thank for this breakthrough, despite the fact that he's in no way associated with that committee and only arrived in D.C. an hour ago.

Guess he shoulda crammed for the debate, huh?

Its a good idea. The thing that really pisses me off though is you know that even if the MI debate just dissapears and the "economic crisis" is over by Monday that the McCain camp will still use this as an excuse for Palin to not have to debate next week.

[depascal22]

Why would Republicans want Palin anywhere near a microphone in the next two months? The more they play up the harried soccer mom the more they suck in the ignorant and naive. I actually heard one woman in a grocery store say Sarah Palin shouldn't have to debate because she's a mom and what mom has time for debates?

[fatherofcaitlyn]

Why would Republicans want Palin anywhere near a microphone in the next two months? The more they play up the harried soccer mom the more they suck in the ignorant and naive. I actually heard one woman in a grocery store say Sarah Palin shouldn't have to debate because she's a mom and what mom has time for debates?

I hope you explained to the woman she shouldn't bother voting because she is too busy shopping and making dinner.

[MSI Magus]

Why would Republicans want Palin anywhere near a microphone in the next two months? The more they play up the harried soccer mom the more they suck in the ignorant and naive. I actually heard one woman in a grocery store say Sarah Palin shouldn't have to debate because she's a mom and what mom has time for debates?

You should have turned around and mollywopped her. Seriously if you think that its more important to spend time with your kids then debate then more power to you.....but then you better be with your kids and not even running for office. Seriously you should have turned around and said ya, a woman President would be great but when it comes to this woman she has a more usefull place in the kitchen then on stage, more use with a wang in her face them a mic :) o yes I went there.

[fatherofcaitlyn]

This election is pure political theater at it's finest. I just can't figure out who the good guy is yet.

If you're a Libertarian, there isn't one.

[MSI Magus]

If you're a Libertarian, there isn't one.

Disagree the Libretarians choose the perfect good guy. How can a cartoon elephant be a bad guy! I mean look the guy even looks Presidential!

http://websrt.colorado.edu/images/babar_small_flag.jpg

[depascal22]

Any chance a 3rd party gets enough votes this time to get some real change going?

[Snake2715]

3rd party? Whats that!

[MSI Magus]

Any chance a 3rd party gets enough votes this time to get some real change going?

Every poll iv seen has shown no more then 3% for Nader and Babar the Elephant

[fatherofcaitlyn]

Any chance a 3rd party gets enough votes this time to get some real change going?

:lol:

In all honesty, a third party needs to attack city councils and weak congressional districts to become a real force.

Power flows from the people, not the government.

[ProfWho]

Any chance a 3rd party gets enough votes this time to get some real change going?

Probably about the same chance as Palin has being attacked by witches.. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/24/video-palin-shown-praying_n_128873.html)

(if you click the link you will see that there is no chance, since she has a +10 magic spell of protection on her)

[mykevermin]

Any chance a 3rd party gets enough votes this time to get some real change going?

About the same chance as Gears of War coming out on the PS3.

[RAMSTORIA]

About the same chance as Gears of War coming out on the PS3.

BUT I READ IT ON KOTAKU!!!111 :bomb:

[mykevermin]

BUT I READ IT ON KOTAKU!!!111 :bomb:

They were lied to by those cheap ass gamers.

[depascal22]

Yeah, we do have those voodoo ways about us.

[Tybee]

So apparently they had reached agreement until Mighty Mouse McCain swooped in to spring an entirely separate proposal by a small group of extreme right Republicans. Let's hear it for bipartisanship and compromise! SOOOO glad he showed up to help move things along.

[JolietJake]

There are a couple of clips here from Letterman, yes it's the huffington post, just watch the videos.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/24/john-mccain-cancels-lette_n_128998.html

Aside from the ass kissing that Letterman gave McCain in the second clip, i thought it was pretty funny.

Edit- Didn't notice it'd already been posted, think of this as a backup if the other goes down.
Edit2- This link includes the top 10 list.

[mykevermin]

^I'd like to hear more about that, Tybee. McCain is the new "decider"!

[dmaul1114]

^I'd like to hear more about that, Tybee. McCain is the new "decider"!

There's about it here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/25/AR2008092500268.html?hpid=topnews

No details though.

[Tybee]

There's about it here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/25/AR2008092500268.html?hpid=topnews

No details though.

Rep. Shelby of Alabama seems to be one of the boneheads leading the charge to keep any deal from going through. I watched him on CNN earlier this evening and he was waving around a letter (the same letter he mentions in the above piece) "signed by 200 leading economists and thinkers" disparaging the Paulson plan (not the new plan they've been hammering out for two days -- the original plan floated by Paulson a week ago). Well NO SHIT. Pretty much everyone in the universe disparaged the Paulson plan. It was utter bullshit. That's why Democratic and Republican members of the Senate Banking Committee and the House Financial Services Committee have been locked in a room for the last two days trying to come up with a better plan. And by all accounts (including the involved Republicans), they had done that. But then McCain spends the afternoon riling up the House Republicans just in time to deep six the deal.

So with the scorched earth part of his plan successful, now I suppose McCain's plan is to try and shoehorn himself into any new negotiations (keeping in mind he has no involvement whatsoever with the Democratic and Republican members of the Senate Banking Committee and the House Financial Services Committee -- nor does Obama or Biden, for that matter).

There is only one word for this: GRANDSTANDING.

[Friend of Sonic]

Curiously, has the Section 8 (I think that's the name of it) part of the bill been stripped? The one where Paulson gets to ride the LOLercoaster whenever he wants

[Tybee]

Let me add this as well, because this is the only actual description I've read or heard of what actually went down in the meeting. It comes from an account given by Paul Begala on Larry King just now, who obviously is a biased source, but again, it's the ONLY account out there right now:

Meeting takes place in the cabinet room of the White House. All members of the Senate Banking Committee and the House Financial Services Committee are there, along with Paulson, Speaker Pelosi, Harry Reid, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, House Minority Leader John A. Boehner, the aforementioned Rep. Shelby, and of course McCain and Obama (at opposite ends of the table, natch).

Bush makes a statement opening the meeting, then the press is ushered out.

It is traditional for the Speaker of the House to speak first, since she is the highest ranking person in the room after the president. Pelosi cedes the floor to Obama, who is tapped to articulate the Democratic position on the bailout.

Obama lays out the requirements he has been talking about all week that have been, by all accounts, worked into the deal (oversight, cap on CEO salaries, guarantees on return of taxpayer investment). Incidentally, these are pretty much the same things McCain claimed he wanted.

It's now the Republicans turn to speak, so Obama throws it to McCain. McCain says "I believe in traditional rules of seniority, so I'm going to defer to Sen. Boehner." MCCAIN THEN DOES NOT SPEAK FOR THE NEXT 43 MINUTES.

Boehner floats a previously unheard of plan devised by House Republicans involving private mortgage insurance and a cut in the capital gains tax.

Obama asks Boehner (or anyone else) for more details on this plan. Boehner has none and concedes they haven't even put anything on paper.

Obama asks Paulson if this alternate plan, as roughly outlined, will work.

Paulson says no way.

During this time Shelby basically says "we ain't doin' this, no way, no how," waves his precious letter around, and throws the whole meeting into chaos before walking out in a huff.

Obama at one point interrupts and directly asks McCain for his opinion since he has said nothing the entire time (after ostensibly flying up here for the sole purpose of successfully shepherding a bailout plan through). McCain hems and haws for all of two minutes, saying he might support the House Republican plan but he doesn't really know.

Everyone walks out pissed.

Way to lead, Maverick!

EDIT: Augmented with some details from the Washington Post.

[Reality's Fringe]

Ok, so takin' bets here:

Is the debate gonna happen?
Is there going to be NO debate, and will we be forced to vote for a candidate based on their campaigning?

WOOOT.

[Tybee]

The debate will happen. Count on it. Despite the posturing, McCain simply cannot allow Obama a 90-minute open floor with a national audience. He would also end up looking like a coward or a fool. It would be a disaster for his campaign.

[Reality's Fringe]

The debate will happen. Count on it. Despite the posturing, McCain simply cannot allow Obama a 90-minute open floor with a national audience. He would also end up looking like a coward or a fool. It would be a disaster for his campaign.

Actually, it's illegal for them to allow him an open-floor. It's considered offering support to one specific campagin by the government.

What McCain can't afford is, like you said, to look like he's too afraid to debate, or that he's "just too busy".

[Tybee]

Called it.

Watching CNN. He just officially announced he'll show up. He's headed to the airport to fly down now.

Anyway you look at it, this stunt blew up in his face. He got nothing he wanted, he had either zero impact or completely derailed the bailout negotiations depending on who you listen to, and Obama called his bluff and now he has to show at a debate he has not prepared for. On top of everything, he looks irrational, petty, and ineffective. WHOOPS.

[freakyzeeky]

Called it.

Watching CNN. He just officially announced he'll show up. He's headed to the airport to fly down now.

Hahaha! :lol:

[Tybee]

Actually, it's illegal for them to allow him an open-floor. It's considered offering support to one specific campagin by the government.

What McCain can't afford is, like you said, to look like he's too afraid to debate, or that he's "just too busy".

Not true. Once one candidate welshes on the agreed upon terms of the debate, all bets are off. The terms were set. Obama adhered. McCain tried to force the commission and Obama to do what HE wanted. They would not. Therefore, the commission was free to do whatever it wanted, which looked like it would have been a town hall of some sort.

[Tybee]

Good point from The National Review:

A Hostile Audience [Rich Lowry]

One side effect of McCain's debate gambit is, I'm told, that everyone at Ole Miss now hates him. It will make for a very hostile audience tonight among those students and faculty attending. He might have to apologize for creating the uncertainty or make some explanation up front, which is never ideal.This fits with what I've been seeing on CNN. I've seen a lot of interviews with many Ole Miss officials, Mississippi politicians (including the governor, who is a McCain supporter), students, and locals, who identify themselves as McCain supporters. They all said something along the lines of "I actually support McCain's campaign, but what he has done to us is wrong. How dare he?"

He's gonna have a hard road to hoe tonight.

[cochesecochese]

He could always pull an Oprah and give out a free Wii and a salon day to everyone in the audience.

[homeland]

He could always pull an Oprah and give out a free Wii and a salon day to everyone in the audience.


haha.. just picturing it.. Mccain saying "before we begin... can everyone look under your seats..I've left a surprise to make up for me being a asshat"

[Capitalizt]

McCain continues to look like a moron. How can people vote for this duttering old fool?

According to reports from people in the meeting yesterday, all McCain did was sit there and spoke for maybe a minute or two. WOW WASHINGTON SURE FELT YOUR PRESENCE MCCAIN! What decade is this dolt from?

[fatherofcaitlyn]

According to Rush, Obama screwed the deal.

Hmm.

I wonder how Rush saw that closed door meeting.

[Tybee]

According to Rush, Obama screwed the deal.

Hmm.

I wonder how Rush saw that closed door meeting.

All the drugs he did made him clairvoyant.

The McCain camp line is that Obama caused everything to go south because he had the audacity to speak and ask questions in the meeting, whereas McCain was "presidential" and "bipartisan" because he listened to everyone without being rude and injecting his own ideas.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Obama wasn't the one running hither and thither yesterday afternoon, whipping up House Republicans and encouraging them to dream up this psychotic deal of theirs and then spring it in this meeting.

And wasn't it McCain who called for Obama to show up in the first place, when Obama was content to leave things to the parties that had already achieved a deal?

[KingBroly]

Actually, he said he made a call to people. And that Obama became the de facto Democratic party leader for the discussions.

This morning I heard there was a shouting match at that discussion.

[freakyzeeky]

LOL, supposedly his campaign says he's already won tonight's debate. :lol:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/mccain_wins_debate.html

[RAMSTORIA]

According to Rush, Obama screwed the deal.

Hmm.

I wonder how Rush saw that closed door meeting.


of course he did.

[bigdaddy]

LOL, supposedly his campaign says he's already won tonight's debate. :lol:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/mccain_wins_debate.html

:rofl:

And 60 million viewers will vote for him!

God damn America!

[Msut77]

All the drugs he did made him clairvoyant.

The McCain camp line is that Obama caused everything to go south because he had the audacity to speak and ask questions in the meeting, whereas McCain was "presidential" and "bipartisan" because he listened to everyone without being rude and injecting his own ideas.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Obama wasn't the one running hither and thither yesterday afternoon, whipping up House Republicans and encouraging them to dream up this psychotic deal of theirs and then spring it in this meeting.

And wasn't it McCain who called for Obama to show up in the first place, when Obama was content to leave things to the parties that had already achieved a deal?

What McCain "had" from House Republicans was a letter to Santa asking for more tax cuts and even more deregulation.

It was supposedly pretty disgusting.

[mykevermin]

LOL, supposedly his campaign says he's already won tonight's debate. :lol:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/mccain_wins_debate.html

Machiavelli...Paging Dr. Machiavelli...

[fatherofcaitlyn]

If I didn't listen to Rush, none of you would. Of course, I was playing Flatout 2 at the time. The people in the cars I was ramming were in less pain than me.

[thrustbucket]

[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica][SIZE=2][COLOR=#98dcdc]McCain continues to look like a moron. How can people vote for this duttering old fool?


I know about a dozen people that plan to vote for McCain. Not one of them likes him, nor would they disagree with your keen assessment of him.

[yukine]

Obama ought to say "Glad you could make it , Senator."

[FloodsAreUponUS]

America is Racist.

That is the secret reason McCain is going to win.

[MSI Magus]

America is Racist.

That is the secret reason McCain is going to win.

Probaly but I have hope. I live in Ohio in a small rural town where you would think racism would run rampant. Iv seen like 4 Obama/Biden signs and not a single McCain one yet. Iv also heard a number of people saying positive things about Obama while out and about or linking McCain to Bush. Small stuff but it gives me hope.

[thrustbucket]

I fully expect Obama to win this election. I'd bet on it if I had money.

But that said, if he loses, cries of Racism and/or election stealing will be heard from here until Romney's presidency in 2012.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

Probaly but I have hope. I live in Ohio in a small rural town where you would think racism would run rampant. Iv seen like 4 Obama/Biden signs and not a single McCain one yet. Iv also heard a number of people saying positive things about Obama while out and about or linking McCain to Bush. Small stuff but it gives me hope.

I live in a small VA town, and I see about 5 McCain signs for every 1 Obama Sign. It worries me. I should take a picture of the gun store that is littered with McCain signs. This is also a town where we had a KKK rally about 5 years ago.

[yukine]

I fully expect Obama to win this election. I'd bet on it if I had money.

But that said, if he loses, cries of Racism and/or election stealing will be heard from here until Romney's presidency in 2012.

Isn't that statement by itself racist? :lol:

Obama just can't be too aggressive nor too passive. If he is too aggressive they will just spin it into another "Obama is an angry, disrespectful uppity $$$$er" ad campaign. Although they will probably do that anyway.

[MSI Magus]

I fully expect Obama to win this election. I'd bet on it if I had money.

But that said, if he loses, cries of Racism and/or election stealing will be heard from here until Romney's presidency in 2012.

Whenever a president thats really unpopular has historically lost, the economy is in the tank and people in general feel we need change. How the fuck could you not think race played a large roll in it? Iv freaking heard people, including in my own family say they wont vote for him because he is black.

Thrust I know your head is up your ass on alot of issues like this one but come on seriously? If Obama was white he would be an instant win and you either fucking know it or your in denial.

[thrustbucket]

If my head is up my ass sometimes, it's in order to try and understand what you're saying a lot of the time.

I never said racism doesn't exist. I never said people weren't going to vote for Obama for racist reasons. Did I? You're putting so many words in my mouth, as usual, I am having trouble figuring out what those words are trying to say....

I simply stated that if Obama loses, people will cry racism eternal. Trying to decipher your post, I guess you agree. So? Why the attack?

[mykevermin]

MSI's onto something.

There's something to be said about race relations in the US currently when you have someone the caliber of Obama and the caliber of McCain, the cultural/economic issues we're dealing with, and that the race was/is close.

I do think it's a very age-graded difference, though. Older folks are more likely to not vote based on race and also more willing to bring it up as an issue. I wouldn't suggest younger folks are "less racist," but that some of the cultural environment they've grown up in has less institutional racism involved in it now. Remember: if you're 44 or older, you grew up when Jim Crow laws were in effect. Wasn't all that long ago.

I think there's also a confluence of the "he's a secret muslim" banter that's covert racism in action. Like you can find patterned discrimination in job applications that favor a guy names "John" over a guy names "Jamal." It's racism, but pinpointing the discriminatory act as obvious or intended is next to impossible.

[MSI Magus]

If my head is up my ass sometimes, it's in order to try and understand what you're saying a lot of the time.

I never said racism doesn't exist. I never said people weren't going to vote for Obama for racist reasons. Did I? You're putting so many words in my mouth, as usual, I am having trouble figuring out what those words are trying to say....

I simply stated that if Obama loses, people will cry racism eternal. Trying to decipher your post, I guess you agree. So? Why the attack?

When you sit and say shit like if he doesnt win people are going to cry racism till 2012(when you say Romney a man who you have to have your head somewhere unpleasenet to support)then you freaking imply that Racism wont be the biggest reason he lost. Again thats just freaking stupid.

[KingBroly]

So...how many 1 liners and zingers are Obama and McCain expected to have tonight? Supposedly they're going to spend a few minutes first on the economy.

[Msut77]

LOL, supposedly his campaign says he's already won tonight's debate. :lol:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/mccain_wins_debate.html

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p34/Msut77/deweyobama.jpg

[mykevermin]

No need to watch. It's already over.

http://static.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/mccainwins.jpg

YOU'RE WINNER!

[yukine]

You've got to be kidding. :lol:

[thrustbucket]

When you sit and say shit like if he doesnt win people are going to cry racism till 2012(when you say Romney a man who you have to have your head somewhere unpleasenet to support)then you freaking imply that Racism wont be the biggest reason he lost. Again thats just freaking stupid.

Here is a helper hint for you: 99.99999% of the time you think something is "implied", what you are really doing is ASSuming. Filling in the blanks on your own, based on your own very cemented stereotype of me.

And the Romney insert was just fun bait specifically designed and lovingly wrapped for you, don't be mad, just teasing you.

But on a more serious note, YOU seem to be IMPLYING that with the unpopularity of Bush and the economy where it is - anyone that votes for McCain is probably racist, with comments like these. Care to clarify?

[evanft]

I kinda miss the days of the crowd getting into it during the debates. That'd be fucking awesome.

[mykevermin]

You've got to be kidding. :lol:

Doesn't seem like it.

You know, out there in this world there are "New England Patriots: Super Bowl Champions 2008" t-shirts out there, that were made prior to the game happening. But they aren't released to the general public. That's the difference here.

[thrustbucket]

I kinda miss the days of the crowd getting into it during the debates. That'd be fucking awesome.

Oh I fully agree. The debates we have now are pathetic. Watching the old b&w debates of yesteryear were bad ass. Audience members should be able to stand up and throw out random questions to both candidates.

[cochesecochese]

I want to make a crack about McBane having a stroke halfway through the debates and the FNN using it against Obama but I just can't work it into a funny joke.

[yukine]

Doesn't seem like it.

You know, out there in this world there are "New England Patriots: Super Bowl Champions 2008" t-shirts out there, that were made prior to the game happening. But they aren't released to the general public. That's the difference here.

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7908/mykelq0.png

It's shitty by design, I swear. :lol:

[Snake2715]

Probaly but I have hope. I live in Ohio in a small rural town where you would think racism would run rampant. Iv seen like 4 Obama/Biden signs and not a single McCain one yet. Iv also heard a number of people saying positive things about Obama while out and about or linking McCain to Bush. Small stuff but it gives me hope.


I was speaking to my mother who is a nurse. Now she was helping a patient and Obama came on in one of his adds. The older lady in the other half of the room yelled "damn $$$$er ", no " $$$$er " will ever run this country.

My mom said she was completely shocked, this lady is late 60's. She said she spoke up and let the lady for your information he is only "half black". The lady just flipped out on her and said the same thing over again.

Its still happening, but obviously I think that its trending down.

[lilboo]

:rofl:
Wait.

Someone actually wins the debate? I'm totally missing something here.

[Tybee]

I was speaking to my mother who is a nurse. Now she was helping a patient and Obama came on in one of his adds. The older lady in the other half of the room yelled "damn $$$$er ", no " $$$$er " will ever run this country.

My mom said she was completely shocked, this lady is late 60's. She said she spoke up and let the lady for your information he is only "half black". The lady just flipped out on her and said the same thing over again.

Its still happening, but obviously I think that its trending down.

As my Mom, a 65-year-old New York expatriate and lifelong liberal who has long suffered amid the politics of the south, often says, "They'll be dead soon."

[mykevermin]

:rofl:
Wait.

Someone actually wins the debate? I'm totally missing something here.

Yeah. ME.

And totally, totally, totally sigged, yukine.

[galvatron2k1]

Probaly but I have hope. I live in Ohio in a small rural town where you would think racism would run rampant. Iv seen like 4 Obama/Biden signs and not a single McCain one yet. Iv also heard a number of people saying positive things about Obama while out and about or linking McCain to Bush. Small stuff but it gives me hope.

Living in Ohio, you should know how this shit is going down. I'm from Cleveland and the media is already starting the racism's out there stuff (like we didn't know). Here's a link - http://www.woio.com/, it's the front page video right now but i'm sure it will be moved by the weekend.

I think there's also a confluence of the "he's a secret muslim" banter that's covert racism in action. Like you can find patterned discrimination in job applications that favor a guy names "John" over a guy names "Jamal." It's racism, but pinpointing the discriminatory act as obvious or intended is next to impossible.

:applause: Myke is the shit... Not only did he bust out this gem (my name happens to be Jamal) but that pic of him being the debate winner is priceless! Bravo!

[RAMSTORIA]

our government at work... even when one of the most "important" issues of our time is at hand congress cant help but do what they always do.

By The Associated Press
1 hour, 15 minutes ago



A week ago, it totaled just three pages — the White House's request for $700 billion to rescue tottering financial institutions by buying their devalued mortgage-related assets.

By Monday, after an intense weekend of negotiations, the draft of the bailout legislation before Congress had swelled to 42 pages.

By Friday, after almost a week of marathon talks between Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and key lawmakers in both parties, the working version was up to 102 pages.

It likely will grow even longer as negotiators continue to tweak the proposal this weekend, adding and subtracting key elements.

Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., the House Financial Services Committee's chairman, was optimistic Friday that a final agreement could be reached by Sunday.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080926/ap_on_bi_ge/bailout_paper_trail

[camoor]

One of my friends cancelled a debate dinner party (fundraiser for Obama of course) because she thought McCain was going to follow through on his word and not show up to the debates.

As I tried to tell her, how many times are you going to believe the Republicans. Of course they can't be trusted to follow through on a promise, even one they make a week earlier.

[mykevermin]

Living in Ohio, you should know how this shit is going down. I'm from Cleveland and the media is already starting the racism's out there stuff (like we didn't know). Here's a link - http://www.woio.com/, it's the front page video right now but i'm sure it will be moved by the weekend.

Huh. Care to find the article? Now the cover's "Battle of the Goddamned Losers: Who's Going to Be Slightly Less Pathetic and Walk Away 1-3 and Who's Going to Paper Bag Their Head Through December By Going 0-4," more affectionately known elsewhere as Browns-Bengals.

I worked in Cincinnati (lived right across the river in the KY) for most of my life, but in the case of the last two elections, I remember seeing how long the lines were in Avondale, in Clifton, in the West End - predominantly black communities.

I remember the exploitation of Fred Shuttlesworth, and his legacy, to convince blacks to vote against the Democrats by using Gay Marriage to divide a group whose history is defined by struggle, exclusion and ostracism, but a group who is also exceptionally religious.

I remember the dubious choice of Ken Blackwell to serve as secretary of state and simultaneously George Bush's campaign coordinator in Ohio in 2004. I remember the controversy of him rejecting thousands of voter registration forms for failing to be on the proper card stock.

I remember, finally, the cynicism of voters caught up to him, as he failed to be elected for governor in 2006. And now we have Democrat Ted Strickland, who has CUT (CUT! CUT! CUT!) hundreds of millions in state spending during his tenure. Now, given the federal economy, the reduction of funds to states, and the reduced financial involvement of the fed in education, it was kinda necessary.

Having all that history via observation, I'm pretty thankful I'm living in SE Ohio and finally registered to vote in this fucking state. Now I can be the agent of change that I wasn't in KY.

[dmaul1114]

Glad to see this blowing up in his face even more, now that the bail out failed because of republicans despite him suspending his campaign to go to DC to focus on the economy.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/30/bailout.candidates/index.html