Official CAG Presidential Debate Drinking Game (and discussion too I suppose...)

[RAMSTORIA]

I guess we can talk about the debate too, but I'd like to come up with a drinking game for tonight with some of my friends. Here are some rules I thought of, feel free to give some suggestions and I'll update the OP with them (as long as they aren't excessive or silly). It's recommended to use beer and not tequila, unless you want to do liver damage and go to the hospital of course.

Take a drink everytime



McCain says...

"POW"
Mention's Obama's experience
mentions radical islamic fundamentalists
mentions Ronald Reagan
References of the Democratic congress being impotent, "so what makes you think a Democratic President would be any different..."
America isn't going to be safe by just talking to those that hate us.
Says the Surge worked.

Obama says...

"Hope" or "Change"
Mentions McCain's Age
References to McCain's foreign policy being more of the same and "bush like".

Either candidate says...

"911"
Ahmadinejad
Mentions a VP for either side.

Two Drinks if...

A Candidate confuses one country for another

Finish your drink if...

McCain calls Obama, "Osama" on accident (or on purpose!)
A 3rd party candidate is mentioned



Well, keep em coming.

[Dead of Knight]

Is the debate even going to happen?

[The Crotch]

Good God, Obama is gonna get me drunk all on his lonesome.

...

Looks like I got a date with Mr. Tom Collins.

[freakyzeeky]

Yes, McCain just announced that he will be attending the debate a few minutes ago.

[Dead of Knight]

Awesome. So it was all a publicity stunt. No consensus on the bailout deal has been reached, but he's attending anyway. Yay Rovian politics!

[MSI Magus]

Dont forget everytime McCain says Ronald Reagan. You cant have any kind of debate or speach as Republican without giving oral to the legacy of Ronald Reagan about 300 times.

[lilboo]

Palin won't be speaking, right?
I'd say if she did, we all take a shot for everytime to stops to think & stutter.

[MSI Magus]

Palin won't be speaking, right?
I'd say if she did, we all take a shot for everytime to stops to think & stutter.

OOOOO that tops the Reagan drinking game, I think you would be shit faced by the end of the second question.

[RAMSTORIA]

Dont forget everytime McCain says Ronald Reagan. You cant have any kind of debate or speach as Republican without giving oral to the legacy of Ronald Reagan about 300 times.

yeah, thats a good one there.

[freakyzeeky]

Everytime I hear either of the candidates mention Palin, I'll take a drink of whatever drink I'll be drinking for the drinking game. ;)

[KingBroly]

Add for Obama: "We as a country"

Why? We'll all get plastered as hell. Also, needs to have even conditions on both sides.

[thrustbucket]

Add for Obama: "What the American people want (or fill in other words here like "need", "desire", "hope for", etc)

Add for Obama: References to McCain's foreign policy being more of the same and "bush like".

Add for McCain: America isn't going to be safe by just talking to those that hate us.

Add for McCain: References of the Democratic congress being impotent, "so what makes you think a Democratic President would be any different..."

[cochesecochese]

Are any of the major networks streaming this? I don't have a TV.

[mykevermin]

Drink until McCain mentions George W. Bush.*





*If you actually hear McCain mention Bush, get to the nearest hospital. You have alcohol poisoning.

[RAMSTORIA]

Are any of the major networks streaming this? I don't have a TV.

not that i know of, but id be surprised if there wasnt somewhere that streamed it. and if nothing else theres always NPR.

im at work until 630, so i have my dvr set to record.

[bigdaddy]

Drink until McCain mentions George W. Bush.*





*If you actually hear McCain mention Bush, get to the nearest hospital. You have alcohol poisoning.

:rolf:

Freedom, Iraq, and Surge.

Drink water because you will be drunk by the end of the night otherwise.

[galvatron2k1]

:rolf:

Freedom, Iraq, and Surge.

Drink water because you will be drunk by the end of the night otherwise.


Hell yeah, you have to add the surge for McCain.

[RAMSTORIA]

Hell yeah, you have to add the surge for McCain.

its added.... im going to have to get more beer. :beer:

[KingBroly]

You didn't add my line, probably for our safety though.

[lilboo]

Ugh. I hope this old fuck drops dead.

[Koggit]

People are going to be held accountable in your administration, McCain?

People aren't even held accountable in your campaign...

[level1online]

if you want to stay sober, just listen for the phrase "I will uphold the Constitution" or "When elected, I will work to overturn the Patriot Act."

edit: Also "Arrest Bernanke" "Arrest Paulson" "Abolish the Federal Reserve"

[DarkSageRK]

This moderator is shit.

They're both doing well so far though.

[freakyzeeky]

Earmarking = gateway drug. :rofl:

[SpazX]

So I hadn't watched before the debates started, does anybody know what the hell is this audience tracker line shit on CNN?

[KingBroly]

"fundamental difference(s) between us" = finish your drink

[bigdaddy]

:whee:

These are so boring!

And this moderator is terrible. Did they get the only guy older than McCain?

[KingBroly]

This moderator's been moderator before. The format's changed.

Obama doesn't look happy.

How long did they spend on that? Where's the buzzers like in 04?

[Koggit]

McCain is squirming like crazy I think he's gonna pop

[lilboo]

McCain is squirming like crazy I think he's gonna poop

fixed

[DarkSageRK]

This guy's at Obama's throat. WTF

[KingBroly]

You know....this debate isn't very good so far.

EDIT: And there's Obama's unhappy face again. I feel like this is the 1988 VP debate again. Where's the JFK question?

[bigdaddy]

This is a disaster. McCain is his crazy self and Obama called John Tom.

I think McCain is somehow winning.

[bigdaddy]

Orgy of spending! Who wants to join the Orgy!!! Of spending!

[cochesecochese]

So maybe that was the score after all? McBane purposely disrupted Obama's campaign schedule in order to make him irksome at the debates?

[KingBroly]

Orgy of spending! Who wants to join the Orgy!!! Of spending!

MONEY FIGHT!

[Sc4rfac3]

MONEY FIGHT!
LOL yes this is what i was thinking

[Greetard]

McCain won't look Obama in the eye.

[Sporadic]

We will pull out of Iraq with honor?

That's the same thing Nixon said about the Vietnam war.

[thrustbucket]

In the whirlwind of words and accusations, it's hard to really pin down the primary differences, if any, between the two so far.

It's amusing to watch them attack each other's favorite party talking points though...

What I wouldn't give for just one candidate to say all they intend to do whittle the role of government down to upholding the constitution, bill of rights, and enforcing the law for a change.... Instead, we get to argue about what extra goodies the government should or shouldn't give everyone.

[KingBroly]

McCain won't look Obama in the eye.

They're like 6 feet apart. They can't not look each other in the eye.

[Regian]

We're winning the war in Iraq?

I must've missed this.

[thrustbucket]

We're winning the war in Iraq?

I must've missed this.

It's a mis-statement, since there is no war there. There is a large US police force there to keep the peace. There is more violence in our own inner cities every month.

[KingBroly]

We're winning the war in Iraq?

I must've missed this.

Most analysts think we're winning now. Hence why it's getting no news.

[Sporadic]

You don't say that outloud!

Yeah, you just run secret missions without telling anybody.

[KingBroly]

You don't say that outloud!

Yeah, you just run secret missions without telling anybody.

Just like the Fed did with Washington Mutual

[cochesecochese]

This is terrible. Obama is letting McBane frame up the terms of the debate and faltering as a result. Ugh ugh ugh.

[level1online]

ok, so who's drunk?

I want to read some drunken rants. :D

*walking over to the breakroom now to start a fresh pot of coffee*

[MusicNoteLess]

Ronald Reagan

[SpazX]

Ronald Reagan!

[DarkSageRK]

This is terrible. Obama is letting McBane frame up the terms of the debate and faltering as a result. Ugh ugh ugh.

Are you sure you're watching the CNN debates? Obama's doing really well.

[Koggit]

What?

I'd definitely say Obama's winning so far.

[bigdaddy]

Because who watch CNN are voting for Obama anyways.

And I love how Obama brought up "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran".

[KingBroly]

Are you sure you're watching the CNN debates? Obama's doing really well.

CNN? It doesn't matter what channel you're watching on.

EDIT: Btw, I'm watching on NBC...in HI DEF!

[Koggit]

Because who watch CNN are voting for Obama anyways.

Uh wtf


CNN is pretty damn balanced

[freakyzeeky]

Are you sure you're watching the CNN debates? Obama's doing really well.

I noticed the Independent's reactions are in line with Democrat's reactions... I think based on that, Obama is doing pretty well. ;)

[KingBroly]

Uh wtf

CNN is pretty damn balanced

I'm gonna say it because I can.

CNN = Clinton News Network

*Drinks something hard

[DarkSageRK]

CNN? It doesn't matter what channel you're watching on.

I thought they were hosting it. The flyers around my dorm suggested as much, but I guess I misinterpreted them.

[cochesecochese]

Are you sure you're watching the CNN debates? Obama's doing really well.

Yes. Maybe I'm just reading the body language wrong.

McCain got real salty on the last point though.

[Greetard]

They're like 6 feet apart. They can't not look each other in the eye.

They're six feet apart, and McCain won't look anywhere near his left side. So yeah, he can.

Can "not", that is.

[Koggit]

Anyone noticing McCain isn't wearing a flag pin? Obama is.

If conservatives are to be believed, this means Obama loves America more than McCain.

[KingBroly]

Obama's body language is not good at all. He's done some...things like frowning, that smile a couple of minutes ago.

McCain has been pretty calm for the most part.

But I feel for the most part they're running around in circles saying 'hey, this point, and again...and again'

[Sporadic]

Just like the Fed did with Washington Mutual

I was implying more about the secret bombing runs in Cambodia during the Vietnam War.

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You are a complete noob unless you are watching this on C-Span 8-)

[Regian]

Man, I feel bad for the moderator trying to keep this thing structured.

Tom Brokaw would've smacked a bitch by now.

[KingBroly]

I was implying more about the secret bombing runs in Cambodia during the Vietnam War.

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You are a complete noob unless you are watching this on C-Span 8-)

I don't have C-Span in Hi-Def, and they definitely won't budget for it (The Government).

As far as secret stuff, it's all the same stuff. Except some stuff you hear about, some stuff you don't.

Sheesh..McCain has trouble with that one.

EDIT: RONALD REAGAN!

[SpazX]

Ronald Reagan!

[Koggit]

Obama's body language is not good at all. He's done some...things like frowning, that smile a couple of minutes ago.

McCain has been pretty calm for the most part.

But I feel for the most part they're running around in circles saying 'hey, this point, and again...and again'

You're insane... Obama has been far, far calmer than McCain (who can't stop squirming every time Obama owns him, which is often).

Though Lilboo may be right, maybe McCain just needs to poop. Old people poop all the time, I hear.

[KingBroly]

You're insane... Obama has been far, far calmer than McCain (who can't stop squirming every time Obama owns him, which is often).

Though Lilboo may be right, maybe McCain just needs to poop. Old people poop all the time, I hear.


'fraid not. The enhanced clarity of hi definition allows me (already an expert in body language) to see every frown, quiver of the brow and ear movement each candidate sees.

McCain on a lot of these responses looks like a kid in a candy store with that smile. He's like 'ooh, I know exactly what I'm gonna say, it's a good one'

[Regian]

You're insane... Obama has been far, far calmer than McCain (who can't stop squirming every time Obama owns him, which is often).

Though Lilboo may be right, maybe McCain just needs to poop. Old people poop all the time, I hear.

Yeah, I couldn't agree more. He's like a little kid who wants to interrupt mommy on the telephone.

[evanft]

McCain is throwing out a lot of cute talking points and sound bites, but Obama's responses seem to have much more substance and thought to them.

[MusicNoteLess]

Ronald Reagan

[Koggit]

We spent 3 million on bears! Did those bears have kids?! I still don't know!

[KingBroly]

We also had a few Ahmadinejad's in there as well.

[evanft]

We spent 3 million on bears! Did those bears have kids?! I still don't know!

Colbert is gonna be pissed.

[Soodmeg]

Hmmm.

I cant wait to the VP debate.

[crunchb3rry]

You could write a Johnny Cash song about all the foreign places McCain brags about visiting more. Maybe he could take Palin to a few, help her break in her fresh new passport.

[KingBroly]

How much are these guys agreeing with one another?

[evanft]

Kissinger really DOES support direct talks with Iran. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/kissinger-backs.html)

McCain attended less hearings on Afghanistan than Obama (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/07/hearing-gate-ex.html)

McCain's point about Georgia vs. Russia was wrong. Georgia attacked SO first, and Russia defended them because that region is essentially part of Russia. It wasn't an act of "Russia aggression" or whatever he called it.

[bigdaddy]

CNN is pretty damn balanced


Yeah as fair and balanced as Fox News.

[Sporadic]

Why the hell is the moderator letting McCain ramble on but cutting off Obama?

[KingBroly]

The moderator usually lets the one who's winning continue on...and on...and on.

Because that moderator thinks that person is right and the other one is wrong. Simple human nature of liking what they hear.

[Soodmeg]

You could write a Johnny Cash song about all the foreign places McCain brags about visiting more. Maybe he could take Palin to a few, help her break in her fresh new passport.

I am glad someone else noticed.

Reminds me of that kid who had really rich parents that so he got to travel anywhere he wanted for spring break. Now you cant talk about anything without him interrupting with a "I remember when I went there. Ha, ha, ha, you havent lived until you been there like I have."


Also, I dont like how McCain talk to Obama like he is a child. "See, this young folks dont understand policy, back in my day we blew shit up and asked questions later."

[Regian]

Ronald Reagan

[KingBroly]

That should count as Ronald Reagan

wait

RONALD REAGAN!

[SpazX]

Ronald Reagan!

[freakyzeeky]

OMG, he said Ronald Reagan! :whee:

[MusicNoteLess]

McCain seems to have a boner for General Petreyas.

[Soodmeg]

Seriously, if McCain fucking says Obama doesnt understand something one more time.

Seemingly all of his statements start out with, "Well he simply doesnt understand...."

[ananag112]

http://static.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/mccainwins.jpg

Correct?

[jputahraptor]

McCain is doing an great job, he's dominating this. Obama is even stuttering and making some awesome funny faces. Loved the comment Obama made about us only owning 3% of the world's oil, what an idiot.

[thrustbucket]

Seriously, if McCain fucking says Obama doesnt understand something one more time.

Seemingly all of his statements start out with, "Well he simply doesnt understand...."

That's because the underlying theme of each of their positions that won't be said outloud is:

Obama - If you didn't like Bush, don't vote McCain, he's more of the same.

McCain - Obama's experience in foreign policy and war is very little compared to mine.

Nearly everything each of them say hints at these themes.


Anyway, one thing I've learned about political debates is that whoever you sided with before the debate is the one you are going to think won it.

[MusicNoteLess]

Pow

[gareman]

Obama's body language is not good at all. He's done some...things like frowning, that smile a couple of minutes ago.

McCain has been pretty calm for the most part.

But I feel for the most part they're running around in circles saying 'hey, this point, and again...and again'

That doesn't mean anything. His body language is showing that he is upset and frustrated when McCain is saying things about Obama that are oversimplified, fact omitting, or simply wrong. McCain seems distance and perhaps more calm because Obama is lying or simplifying something McCain said every other sentence.

[SpazX]

Pow!

[freakyzeeky]

http://e.deviantart.com/emoticons/f/faint.gif

[KingBroly]

That doesn't mean anything. His body language is showing that he is upset and frustrated when McCain is saying things about Obama that are oversimplified, fact omitting, or simply wrong. McCain seems distance and perhaps more calm because Obama is lying or simplifying something McCain said every other sentence.

Body language is a lot in these debates. It doesn't matter if it was at McCain or not. If you remember about the first debate in 2004, a lot of people criticized Bush's body language, saying he looked tired and upset and frustrated. And he lost his advantage at the time due to that debate.

[Koggit]

Obama won.

Anyone who claims otherwise is a tool.

[Greetard]

Still didn't look Obama in the face- not even when they shook hands. Either he's having trouble keeping his anger in check or he's scared.

[yukine]

Interesting to know that CAG has so many body language analysts.

[jputahraptor]

Obama won.

Anyone who claims otherwise is a tool.

McCain won and I would choose to be a hammer.

[ananag112]

I think both McCain and Obama did a good job.

Obama pwned in the beginning though giving straight answers. Foreign policy wise though, I think McCain did better (and was stronger) because he has had experience. I liked what Obama said overall, but I think he lost foreign policy wise. That is probably why he picked Biden as his VP though.

[gareman]

That's because the underlying theme of each of their positions that won't be said outloud is:

Obama - If you didn't like Bush, don't vote McCain, he's more of the same.

McCain - Obama's experience in foreign policy and war is very little compared to mine.

Nearly everything each of them say hints at these themes.


Anyway, one thing I've learned about political debates is that whoever you sided with before the debate is the one you are going to think won it.


Thats not true. In 2004 Edwards got his ass kicked in the VP debates and I readily admitted that ,and in many aspects I like Edwards on more issues than Obama or Kerry.

McCain (not trying to be cliche here) sounded like listening to old man talk about "you know what I'd do to fix the country..".......

blah blah, something off-topic, Regan, military story, 3 decade old personal story about country that sucks worse than the US, blah, blah, insult.............

[Soodmeg]

That's because the underlying theme of each of their positions that won't be said outloud is:

Obama - If you didn't like Bush, don't vote McCain, he's more of the same.

McCain - Obama's experience in foreign policy and war is very little compared to mine.

Nearly everything each of them say hints at these themes.


Anyway, one thing I've learned about political debates is that whoever you sided with before the debate is the one you are going to think won it.


I get that. But its crazy to think that you can debunk the potential next president by simply saying, "Well he doesnt understand....."

Its something that simply urks me. He just comes off as a grand dad because he has seen and done everything.

[DarkSageRK]

McCain is doing an great job, he's dominating this. Obama is even stuttering and making some awesome funny faces. Loved the comment Obama made about us only owning 3% of the world's oil, what an idiot.

Oh, I get it. You joker, you.

[evanft]

McCain clearly tried to put together insubstantial sound bites using points that aren't really argumentative in nature, but are merely made to invoke a certain kind of feeling in someone listening. Obama outlined a lot of reasons for his policy positions and what he's going to do as president. McCain seems to throw out "I went to X and Y" and "We can't lose blah blah", but that doesn't tell me anything about what he wants to do as president. McCain was more trying to exude strength and assuredness rather than communicate how he's going to fix Afghanistan, Iraq, what have you. It's the same kind of jangling-of-the-keys sort of rhetoric that him and his party have been doing for years.

Obama came off, to me at least, as more thought out and reality-based than McCain. McCain also seemed more rattled by Obama than vice-versa. Obama also had an easier time keeping to the questions and his central points.

EDIT: A big one for me was McCain's constant badgering of "He doesn't understand blah blah blah" while not actually telling us why his position and what he plans to do is actually better than Obama's. He did this a lot after Obama would outline a relatively detailed view on something. Take his thoughts on on Pakistan/Aghanistan. Obama said that we need more troops in Afghanistan, but then said there had to be a more comprehensive plan as well, which he then laid out. McCain tried to say Obama didn't understand and we can't just send in more troops.

blah blah, something off-topic, Regan, military story, 3 decade old personal story about country that sucks worse than the US, blah, blah, insult.............

This. This, this, fucking this.

[Sc4rfac3]

McCain won and I would choose to be a hammer.
Obama won and you are a wrench. :)

[KingBroly]

Obama won.

Anyone who claims otherwise is a tool.

And responses like that make you a tool I'm afraid.

[Koggit]

Giuliani comments for the GOP because the sheltered Palin can't afford to dig her hole any deeper... so pathetic.

McCain won and I would choose to be a hammer.

YOU ARE A WIENER

[Dr Mario Kart]

Repeat Lines:

McCain: Obama doesnt understand....
Obama: Now John, thats not true...(huh, I wonder why)

I think it was weak all around. Obama shouldve been more aggressive in attacking McCain.
During the economy segment, he shouldve said more on the conversative philosophy on deregulation, from Reagan to the Gramm. Not mentioning McCain's financial advisor was a mistake.

On the foreign policy segment, Obama shouldve mentioned McCain's opposition to the expanded GI bill.

I can see the low info voter thats not going to do a lot of double checking siding with McCain tonight.

[jputahraptor]

Giuliani comments for the GOP because the sheltered Palin can't afford to dig her hole any deeper... so pathetic.



YOU ARE A WIENER

You are an intellectual midget.

[Soodmeg]

McCain clearly tried to put together insubstantial sound bites using points that aren't really argumentative in nature, but are merely made to invoke a certain kind of feeling in someone listening. Obama outlined a lot of reasons for his policy positions and what he's going to do as president. McCain seems to throw out "I went to X and Y" and "We can't lose blah blah", but that doesn't tell me anything about what he wants to do as president. McCain was more trying to exude strength and assuredness rather than communicate how he's going to fix Afghanistan, Iraq, what have you. It's the same kind of jangling-of-the-keys sort of rhetoric that him and his party have been doing for years.

Obama came off, to me at least, as more thought out and reality-based than McCain. McCain also seemed more rattled by Obama than vice-versa. Obama also had an easier time keeping to the questions and his central points.



This. This, this, fucking this.

I agree with this.

If you had a list of questions that you wanted answered from each person it would seem that Obama did his best to answer those.

Where as McCain just kinda talked about what he did back in the day, and how Obama just doesnt understand.

[gareman]

Obama did win.

Being as objective as possible. McCain targeted his opponent personally too often (and often incorrectly), used vague explanations/ sometimes none at all, used dying metaphors, used too many emotional appeals, and did not make clear conclusions to his assertions.

Winning a debate is not a matter of whether you agree with them its a matter of logic, clear and concise speech

[thrustbucket]

I was unimpressed by either, so I'll be the tool shed.


Edit: And I'd much rather have listened to Tool than that debate.

[KingBroly]

The most TV analysts (3 stations I've listened so far) seem shocked at McCain's discipline and Obama backing down and agreeing with McCain a lot.

[gareman]

I was unimpressed by either, so I'll be the tool shed.


Edit: And I'd much rather have listened to Tool than that debate.

I do however agree that Obama was not as impressive as he could have been.

[Soodmeg]

EDIT: A big one for me was McCain's constant badgering of "He doesn't understand blah blah blah" while not actually telling us why his position and what he plans to do is actually better than Obama's. He did this a lot after Obama would outline a relatively detailed view on something. Take his thoughts on on Pakistan/Aghanistan. Obama said that we need more troops in Afghanistan, but then said there had to be a more comprehensive plan as well, which he then laid out. McCain tried to say Obama didn't understand and we can't just send in more troops.


I really agree with this. I think its a insult to Obama and the American people that a person can get as far has Obama has but you shouldnt vote for him because "he simply just doesnt understand."

If you are going to discredit a persons entire life and eduction it needs to be with a statement a little stronger than, "He doesnt understand." Because I am pretty sure I learned defense in middle school.

[gareman]

The most TV analysts (3 stations I've listened so far) seem shocked at McCain's discipline and Obama backing down and agreeing with McCain a lot.

there nothing wrong with conceding when an opponent makes a point, actually that positive point towards winning a debate as long as one establishes how one is different when coming to an argument and solving it.

[ananag112]

Well that was quick:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec3aC8ZJZTc

[KingBroly]

There were no sound bites to really speak of, but visual images are a different thing.

[homeland]

You don't need a sound bite!
http://static.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/flagpin_0.jpg


Whats missing?... I'll give you a hint. it costs less than a dollar and made in china.

[thrustbucket]

Well that was quick:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec3aC8ZJZTc

Wow. How can John McCain approve of a message that's impossible for him to have seen?

[jputahraptor]

I'm guessing by the lack of replies that either Obama did so well that no need to post is necessary or it was about tied or McCain did better than everyone thought and nobody around here is pleased with that.

[Dr Mario Kart]

Christ what a retarded ad.

I wonder why the Bomb Bomb Iran song hasnt been made into ad.

[gareman]

I don't get how people are saying McCain won, when a large portion of what he said was not true from Obama's positions to his own advisor's positions to historical facts....

Not only that but McCain is trying to say that he is a Maverick and can cross party lines, but less than 5 minutes after the debate he attacks Obama for agreeing with 3 or so of McCain's fundamental points?

And how dare Obama bring up how McCain has voted, and his support for Bush, or his statements made within the last month, or the fact that McCain was making things up, and visually upset about someone lying about him no less!! What a terrible person defending himself, and using someone's actions and words to disprove what they are saying.....what a jerk...

[Dr Mario Kart]

10:01 CDT: [Nate] Independents in the MediaCurves focus group gave the debate to Obama 61-39. They also think he won every individual segment. Republicans gave the debate to McCain 90-10, Democrats to Obama 93-7.

9:55 CDT: [Nate] Obama moved up 3 points in the Iowa Electronic Markets, but lost 3 points on Intrade. Given the funny business we've seen on Intrade lately, you'll know which of those two indicators I'd tend to trust.
Seems like independents have a liberal bias.

[BlueSwim]

McCain blinked way too much(Obama blinked alot too, don't get me wrong). Hell, he didn't even look at Obama even when Obama was talking directly at him. But I don't feel like Obama was aggressive enough. All I wanted was for him to say "John, I'm over here. I'm a fellow American who just happens to be your opponent tonight and in this election, and you can't even look at me."

[Dr Mario Kart]

All I wanted was for him to say "John, I'm over here. I'm a fellow American who just happens to be your opponent tonight and in this election, and you can't even look at me."
Naw, thats lipstick on a pig bullshit. When your short on time for words, this has no place.

He did need to be more aggressive though.

[gareman]

Naw, thats lipstick on a pig bullshit. When your short on time for words, this has no place.

He did need to be more aggressive though.

Aggressive I third that, but Obama was probably playing it safe due to the economic crisis didn't want to come as to attacking.

[homeland]

though maybe he couldn't look that way.. isn't his neck fucked up? and thats why he moves like a robot

[Dr Mario Kart]

That whole legitimizing your opponents statements by meeting with them was pretty retarded.

Since McCain agreed to meet with Obama in this debate, did he legitimize the need for social medicine in this country?

[homeland]

I like how Mccain mentioned he wouldn't sit down with Iran because their president said bad things about Israel. Using that logic why would they want to sit down with Mccain who sang about bombing their country..

[BlueSwim]

Naw, thats lipstick on a pig bullshit. When your short on time for words, this has no place.

He did need to be more aggressive though.


Obama just needed that one big comment to make him look strong enough to go toe-to-toe with McCain. I mean really, didn't the lack of eye contact made by McCain strike you as odd? Obama looked right at him while talking and John just stood there staring out into the dark venue smirking as well as laughing to himself from time to time.

[Dr Mario Kart]

So...how about them odds of Palin having some family emergency come up...oh...around.. Oct 2?

[yukine]

Palin is a mother, she doesn't have time for some debate.

[homeland]

i think track has a hockey game that night..

[BlueSwim]

i think track has a hockey game that night..

Isn't it Trigg? Or is that another one of her weirdo-hippie-named hellions?:lol:

[mykevermin]

Well that was quick:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec3aC8ZJZTc

Let me get this straight. I'm fuckin' hammered. I went to the bar instead of watched the debate.

I'm enough drinks in that Sarah Palin might best me in a foreign policy debate right now.

That said, what I see from this ad are two things:

Obama: "McCain is right."

Mysterious voice: "Is Obama ready to lead? No."

Why does this ad show that he's not ready to lead, though? Because he AGREES with McCain?

How in the fuck does this help McCain? It makes him look like a bigger tool because the ad is saying "HEY! LOOKIT THIS DUMBASS WHO CAN'T LEAD! HE AGREES WITH THE OLD MAN!"

[Soodmeg]

I am excited for the VP debate. Thinking of her alone in front of nothing but lights and wood makes me smile.

She couldnt even get through an interview while sitting in a plush chair in a warm room.

[mykevermin]

http://static.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/mccainwins.jpg

Correct?

no.

check my sig.

[BlueSwim]

Thinking of her alone in front of nothing but lights and wood makes me smile.


:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Soodmeg]

CNN says viewers felt Obama was 58% McCain 31%

[Dr Mario Kart]

1) Agreeing with McCain makes you not ready to lead
2) McCain agrees with McCain
3) McCain is not ready to lead.

[Tybee]

What I wouldn't give for just one candidate to say all they intend to do whittle the role of government down to upholding the constitution, bill of rights, and enforcing the law for a change.... Instead, we get to argue about what extra goodies the government should or shouldn't give everyone.

Shoulda flipped over the The History Channel. Bob Barr was debating a pillow with a face drawn on it.

Giuliani comments for the GOP because the sheltered Palin can't afford to dig her hole any deeper... so pathetic.

"Both candidates failed to mention me or 9/11, hence it was a draw."

You don't need a sound bite!
http://static.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/flagpin_0.jpg


Whats missing?... I'll give you a hint. it costs less than a dollar and made in china.

Dodgy baby formula?

So...how about them odds of Palin having some family emergency come up...oh...around.. Oct 2?

OH MY GOD....PIPER BIT A CHUNK OUT OF TRIG'S SKULL!!! WE NEVER SAW IT COMING!!!

[lilboo]

Obama mentioned an orgy.
Obama won.

[lilboo]

I am SO excited for the VP debate. I wanna see that cunt rag fail so hard. God, I hate her.
She IS going to have a family emergency..


--
OCT 2- Republican Vice Presidential Candidate Sarah Palin was scheduled to appear at tonight's debate with Democratic Vice Presidential Candidate Joe Biden until a family emergency had occurred.

Track Palin, the oldest son of the Alaskan Govenor, was caught having sex with a man from New Jersey who goes by the internet alias 'lilboo'. Sarah Palin is calling off the debate until her son can be spiritually cleansed and healed from the gay that corrupted her son.

"When I saw him, I had to have that [penis]. I saved my dollars and hitchhiked to Alaska to get that. I am a power bottom" the New Jersey native said.

She and the rest of the Palin family are expected to be at another prayer service to not only avoid witchcraft, but now the 'Gay'.

--

[Dr Mario Kart]

Way to take one for the team, boo.

[lilboo]

Which team we talkin about? :lol:

Track Palin = My baby daddy

[thrustbucket]

Shoulda flipped over the The History Channel. Bob Barr was debating a pillow with a face drawn on it.


Damn it, I knew there had to be something better on tv to watch...

[gareman]

man all the online polls show Obama ahead by only like 15-19%. I can maybe....see a tie (not really though) or a not sure, but how could you think that McCain won....


I think if Obama would have focused on the camera with his Jim Halpert-esque looks. Did anyone else notice his Jim looks.

[RAMSTORIA]

honestly, while obama presented his "answers" much better than mccain, te debate was nothing more than mud wrestling between wwe divas. so much garbage spewed from each others mouths. ill just wait for factcheck.org to sort it all out. on the brith side, i am super drunk....

factcheck.org 's prelimanary debate info (itll probably get bigger in the coming days)

* Obama said McCain adviser Henry Kissinger backs talks with Iran “without preconditions,” but McCain disputed that. In fact, Kissinger did recently call for “high level” talks with Iran starting at the secretary of state level and said, “I do not believe that we can make conditions.” After the debate the McCain campaign issued a statement quoting Kissinger as saying he didn’t favor presidential talks with Iran.

* Obama denied voting for a bill that called for increased taxes on “people” making as little as $42,000 a year, as McCain accused him of doing. McCain was right, though only for single taxpayers. A married couple would have had to make $83,000 to be affected by the vote, and anyway no such increase is in Obama’s tax plan.

* McCain and Obama contradicted each other on what Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Admiral Mike Mullen said about troop withdrawals. Mullen said a time line for withdrawal could be “very dangerous” but was not talking specifically about “Obama’s plan,” as McCain maintained.

* McCain tripped up on one of his signature issues – special appropriation “earmarks.” He said they had “tripled in the last five years,” when in fact they have decreased sharply.

* Obama claimed Iraq “has” a $79 billion surplus. It once was projected to be as high as that. It’s now down to less than $60 billion.

* McCain repeated his overstated claim that the U.S. pays $700 billion a year for oil to hostile nations. Imports are running at about $536 billion this year, and a third of it comes from Canada, Mexico and the U.K.

* Obama said 95 percent of “the American people” would see a tax cut under his proposal. The actual figure is 81 percent of households.

* Obama mischaracterized an aspect of McCain’s health care plan, saying “employers” would be taxed on the value of health benefits provided to workers. Employers wouldn’t, but the workers would. McCain also would grant workers up to a $5,000 tax credit per family to cover health insurance.

* McCain misrepresented Obama's plan by claiming he'd be "handing the health care system over to the federal government." Obama would expand some government programs but would allow people to keep their current plans or chose from private ones, as well.

* McCain claimed Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower had drafted a letter of resignation from the Army to be sent in case the 1944 D-Day landing at Normandy turned out to be a failure. Ike prepared a letter taking responsibility, but he didn’t mention resigning.

[ZForce]

Did anyone notice that Obama called McCain "Jim" instead of "John" at least twice? Given that Obama has already paraphrased the Rock once (for those that don't watch wrestling, while he and the other candidates were on WWE Raw, he uttered the now famous words "Do you smell what Barack is cooking?") in my mind, I witnessed this exchange between the two....

Obama: Blah blah blah Jim...

McCain: My name's Jo....

Obama: IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR NAME IS!

[thrustbucket]

He also called McCain Tom, once.

Ramstoria, that sounds about right. If I came away from one thing in watching the debates it was that both of them were mischaracterizing each other - badly. I guess maybe that's a tactic, because most American's won't fact check, but it's disappointing nonetheless.

[Tybee]

* McCain repeated his overstated claim that the U.S. pays $700 billion a year for oil to hostile nations. Imports are running at about $536 billion this year, and a third of it comes from Canada, Mexico and the U.K.

Well, in fairness, McCain fought in the Revolutionary War, the Mexican-American War, and he once was denied Viagra in Toronto, so he still considers those hostile nations.

Did anyone notice that Obama called McCain "Jim" instead of "John" at least twice?

The debate was moderated by Jim Lehrer of PBS. So there were a couple times when Obama was addressing both Lehrer and McCain. I think there was one occasion when he may have addressed McCain as Jim, though. Not really a big deal.

The more interesting thing to me was the fact Obama consisently addressed McCain by his first name, while McCain stuck to the traditional "Senator Obama" or "my opponent." This may have been a deliberate tactic to fluster and irritate McCain who obviously places a lot of emphasis on seniority, rank, title, etc. How dare this young whippersnapper address me by my first name? And historically, we've never seen first names used in a debate before. But I think this had more to do with how Obama consistently interacts with people on a human level. At the surface level, this seems disrespectful, but if you look at the tone of the debate, Obama was much more concessionary, respectful, and honorific of McCain than McCain was of Obama, as McCain spent most of his time telling Obama how much he didn't know or didn't understand.

[Dead of Knight]

Lilboo wins yet another thread.

[Sc4rfac3]

I am SO excited for the VP debate. I wanna see that cunt rag fail so hard. God, I hate her.
She IS going to have a family emergency..


--
OCT 2- Republican Vice Presidential Candidate Sarah Palin was scheduled to appear at tonight's debate with Democratic Vice Presidential Candidate Joe Biden until a family emergency had occurred.

Track Palin, the oldest son of the Alaskan Govenor, was caught having sex with a man from New Jersey who goes by the internet alias 'lilboo'. Sarah Palin is calling off the debate until her son can be spiritually cleansed and healed from the gay that corrupted her son.

"When I saw him, I had to have that [penis]. I saved my dollars and hitchhiked to Alaska to get that. I am a power bottom" the New Jersey native said.

She and the rest of the Palin family are expected to be at another prayer service to not only avoid witchcraft, but now the 'Gay'.

--
LOL lilboo you win this thread by a landslide, but somehow the McCain camp would claim that as a liberal sexist attack on Sarah Palin

[lilboo]

8-)

[mykevermin]

"I am a power bottom" - lilboo.

:rofl:

[yukine]

lilboo has my vote. 8-)

[freakyzeeky]

http://smilies.zx6r.info/lachen/567.gif

[gareman]

You guys forgot the most important rule

Chug a bottle of Skol Vodka every time McCain says HORSESHIT
(Man thats like 8 bucks I would have had to spend)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1rZBmk0DYU

[evanft]

Roffle.

[homeland]

Mr. Mccain needs an FCC fine. or are you allowed to say horse shit on national television?