Demon's Souls - Atlus & From Software's Action RPG - October 6

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

I've been trying. I had it up for like $45 shipped for over a month now and only had one bite and I think they chose to go with the DE of the US version from Amazon. Personally, I don't see many really using the online interaction all that much, since I never had anyone come into my game as I was playing and most of the notes/hints that were left were in English.

I just want the guide though, since I don't wanna spend $70 on another copy of this game because I haven't even finished playing through the version I have. I e-mailed Atlus about just buying the guide. I'll wait to see what they say about it.

[StillFree]

I've been trying. I had it up for like $45 shipped for over a month now and only had one bite and I think they chose to go with the DE of the US version from Amazon. Personally, I don't see many really using the online interaction all that much, since I never had anyone come into my game as I was playing and most of the notes/hints that were left were in English.

I just want the guide though, since I don't wanna spend $70 on another copy of this game because I haven't even finished playing through the version I have. I e-mailed Atlus about just buying the guide. I'll wait to see what they say about it.

Might lack the portability of a strategy guide but http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/

has everything you would need to know about the game.

[gunm]

I have a funny feeling I'm going to ragequit even with the DE guide, Wiki, Internetz, etc., lol. Still getting it though. >_<

[Snake2715]

gamestop CE is inactive as they have hit preorder limit... estarland same thing...

off to another store to see what I can do..

Now that I cant get the CE I want it even more..

Atlus may have made this pretty limited in the end. Has anyone heard how many preorders have been pushed?

I figured the Ce's would be somewhat easy to get.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

Might lack the portability of a strategy guide but http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/

has everything you would need to know about the game.

Thanks. I have my computer right near my PS3, so I can just surf there whenever I get stuck.

Oh and gunm, you will probably quit this game outta frustration multiple times, but still come back to it like I have. It's an addicting, yet frustrating game.

[gunm]

gamestop CE is inactive as they have hit preorder limit... estarland same thing...

off to another store to see what I can do..

Now that I cant get the CE I want it even more..

Atlus may have made this pretty limited in the end. Has anyone heard how many preorders have been pushed?

I figured the Ce's would be somewhat easy to get.


You can still order it from amazon. And with ECA, FSSS, and their current price of $66.99, it's the best value.

[Snake2715]

No eca code for me.. I cant get that to work. Trying to figure that out now so I can do the order.
FSSS is free second shipping (prime) or something else?

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

I believe it stands for Free Super Saver Shipping or something like that, Snake2715.

[dannyc]

Got in on Pre-order. Can't Wait!

[io]

Yes, I have this preordered, but I'm sort of... terrified. Terrified that I'm buying a game I will absolutely hate. I haven't taken that risk since I bought Jak 2.

I hope people in this thread will be helpful when I ask questions... Rather than turning into the Uber Ninja Gaiden Horde with responses like: 'That waz teh Easy, u suxxor.'

Honestly, other gamers turn me off hard games. (Jak 2. Ninja Gaiden. Viewtiful Joe. Various others.)

Well, don't listen to the latest CAGcast then. Shipwreck said he spent 6 hours on it and couldn't get through the first level. Also, I see nothing about this in the thread here (at least on the last few pages) but he said they made the U.S. version even harder than the Japanese one to get people who were fans of the import to buy it again. That sounds awfully strange to me - what's going on there?

I'm starting to regret my preorder ;).

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

LOL IO I've been saying that all along, that the game is INSANELY hard. If anyone wanted to find out how mind numbingly hard it truly is, they could've bought my import(which I bought from another CAG who got frustrated with it, I believe) for $45 shipped for the last TWO MONTHS.

It's still on my TL and people seem to think that by getting the US version it's going to suddenly be a breeze. LMAO Like I said before, I'll wait for the glut of used copies to drive down the price before I consider a US version. It shouldn't be a long wait. :razz:

[io]

Yeah, but what Ship said is that the U.S. version was made HARDER than the original! That's what I'm trying to figure out. I know it was hard to begin with so I can't imagine they'd have made it even harder :lol:.

I'm torn between writing it off as a waste of time and effort and looking at it as a challenge and seeing if I can handle it!

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

I don't see HOW the US version can be harder than the import I've played. Then again, after a while you get to know how to dodge around enemies and just stab 'em straight through, so getting back to where you died in the game is a breeze after a bit.

However, getting there in the first place, that is the challenging part.

[Snake2715]

I know for a fact I will be totally pissed. reading through GI and they say that you die and it takes 45 mins to get back to where you are... That sounds like a challenge and all, but sometimes I have only 45 minutes to play, and I dont get time for another 2-4 days...

I can see how this would get dropped to the backlog pile, for the day I may become disabled and have nothing else to do..

Still itching to get my copy though... if only the ECA codes would work.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

Seriously, as long as you can dodge and get behind the enemies to be able to run them through with your sword, getting back to the point you died at is fairly easy and shouldn't take TOO long. Although there ARE certain harder enemies on just the first level who you may not be able to get behind quite as easily.

This game is definitely NOT for those who expect an easy game though.

[bjstucker]

I am thinking you have to spends hours grinding between bosses to defeat them.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

Either that or call in help from other people playing the game, as they've said you can do. I didn't run into any of the people invading my game to try and kill me when I was playing the import, so I wonder how that actually works.

[Snake2715]

Someone said if you do that, you risk losing a level or some stats permenately, if you die... so its a big risk, jumping blind into another persons game and only having half your life..

Could be well worth the risk..

Also the fact that the person knows someone is jumping into their game to hunt if you will..

[Saint Noir]

I'm really looking forward to the challenge. I have been breezing through most games recently and want something that will stop me cold! I just hope I can tolerate the constant death and don't get too pissed. I really do hope I am "up to it"... should be fun regardless. Almost time to test some mettle!

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

Well, if you wanted to 'test some mettle', you could've already been doing that in an import copy and not have to wait another 6 days. I would've gladly given you my copy(for $45) about 2-3 weeks ago, since I was still frustrated by it and not playing it at all.

[whoknows]

you probably should have put that on ebay awhile ago if you wanted to sell it so badly. that's what i did with mine.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

True. But I've had it offered up for almost as long as I've had it and aside from an offer from a friend of mine(who I play GTA IV with on occasion and who is also a CAG)I've had maybe ONE offer for it and they backed out.

I refused to put it in Ebay, since I don't want them getting a share of any $$$ from the sale. I figured someone on CAG would wanna try this game and see what it's like long before the US version comes out. I guess I was wrong.

Thing is, the offer from my friend was a trade for some of their games, but I'd honestly rather the $$$ than a straight trade.

Having just checked Ebay, most of those on there are selling for around what I've wanted for it($45 shipped) on CAG for almost 2 months now, considering most of the $42 final value auctions are before Ebay/Paypal fees and shipping costs(since most are free shipping).

So yeah, I don't think my price was unreasonable and I figured I'd have had some interest in it by now. But with the US version being less than a full week away now, I'm betting the import version's price will drop considerably.

[WormFOODx]

45 minute corpse run? Any old Everquesters out there? This was the standard, and sounds like a Plane of Fear or Hate run gone bad! I CAN'T WAIT!

[Snake2715]

See that crap is going to piss me right off. I actually am pretty excited.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

Actually, I remember playing many older RPGs(back on the Genesis) and having to do a full run through of a game in one shot. But then they started making battery based saves for those type of games and it was good....till the battery died.

But yeah, you're gonna have to do alot of the same kills over and over if you get killed. Thing is, the other night when I was playing through the first level, I ended up respawning at a point about 5 minutes in on that first level.

I don't know if it was the game messing up by not respawning me back at the beginning or not, but there I was up on the one set of steps and not at the beginning.

Maybe they're adding in checkpoints via an upcoming patch and that was a test?

[mguiddy]

45 minute corpse run? Any old Everquesters out there? This was the standard, and sounds like a Plane of Fear or Hate run gone bad! I CAN'T WAIT!
That's the first thing I thought of when I heard how this game handles death.

[Gourd]

... Please don't say Everquest corpse run. I actually /quit/ Everquest due to a corpse run.

[Jodou]

I don't see HOW the US version can be harder than the import I've played. Then again, after a while you get to know how to dodge around enemies and just stab 'em straight through, so getting back to where you died in the game is a breeze after a bit.

However, getting there in the first place, that is the challenging part.
After playing through Batman:AA and mastering every challenge, I can honestly say I'm hoping for an equally difficult and skilled combat system. It's been far too long since a game challenged me, which also made it one of the most rewarding experiences I've ever had. If it's even half as good, then I'm going to be playing this hardcore.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

Like I said before, I think I'm going to wait and just grab this once everybody who expected this to be a breeze get tired of dying repeatedly and the price bottoms out in like 3 months.

That reminds me that I gotta find my receipt for my pre-order, so I can get back my $5 in credit and use it towards a different USB headset, since my SOCOM one is dying on me.

[Snake2715]

Like I said before, I think I'm going to wait and just grab this once everybody who expected this to be a breeze get tired of dying repeatedly and the price bottoms out in like 3 months.

That reminds me that I gotta find my receipt for my pre-order, so I can get back my $5 in credit and use it towards a different USB headset, since my SOCOM one is dying on me.


See given other hard atlus titles I cant see this one bombing as much, unless you think Sony having a hand will help this reach more people that arent expecting this hard of a game.

[gunm]

... Please don't say Everquest corpse run. I actually /quit/ Everquest due to a corpse run.


lol, I felt that pain. It sucks. :(

Cheapest, I was wondering the same thing. I'm still amazed at all the people laughing off the difficulty like they "CAN'T WAIT".

I have a funny feeling I'm never going to get half way through the first level, lol.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

See given other hard atlus titles I cant see this one bombing as much, unless you think Sony having a hand will help this reach more people that arent expecting this hard of a game.

I've never played any of Atlus' other titles, but I have played other titles from From Software like Armored Core.

The Atlus releases are usually niche titles that only a select group of people will actually buy, though since this is the first really good action RPG for the PS3 in the US it may get a wider fan base than usual.

Although I do hope that Atlus will pick up their 3D Dot Game Heroes game for release here. It looks quirky and weird enough to compete with Katamari Damacy.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

lol, I felt that pain. It sucks. :(

Cheapest, I was wondering the same thing. I'm still amazed at all the people laughing off the difficulty like they "CAN'T WAIT".

I have a funny feeling I'm never going to get half way through the first level, lol.

If the game is HARDER than the version I've already played, there's going to be ALOT of very pissed off gamers, especially those who are thinking 'bah the game isn't gonna be THAT hard'.

All I can say to those people is PLAY AS A ROYAL, so at least you have Soul Arrow(ranged attack) to use against some of the harder enemies in just the first level.

I ended up cancelling my pre-order @ GS tonight, since all I really need is the guide because I still have the import version that I got from someone on CAG.

But if TRU ends up getting the Deluxe Edition in, maybe I'll grab it and resell the soundtrack CD, artbook and game, but just keep the guide for the import.

[DeathMoJo]

I thought i had posted this here but GoGamer.com has a pre-order special on this game. Only lasts until midnight tonight, 10/1, so about 5 hours and 30 mins left!

$49.90 + shipping and comes with pre-order bonuses!
http://www.gogamer.com/Demon-s-Souls-for-PS3-with-Pre-Order-Bonus-Playstation-3_stcVVproductId77215411VVcatId473165VVviewprod.ht m

[Valkerion]

gonna go pre-order/pay this off tomorrow/Saturday. I hope they still will let me put it twards the Deluxe in store since its sold out online.

I wonder how its difficulty compares to Ninja Gaiden Black/2, Armored Core2-4A, Valkyrie Profile 2, DoA4, Ikaruga.... Thos are the hardest games I own lol.

[gunm]

Thanks for the advice, I'm definitely playing as Royal...not that it's going to help me much.

I dunno about the alleged difficulty increase for this version (WTF, I thought only Japanese players liked punishing difficulty?), but apparently this game is very unforgiving with no checkpoints/saves and corpse runs.

[Poor2More]

I bought the Asian/English version and DAMN this is fucken stupid hard, but yet very rewarding like no other game I played this year, you actually feel like you accomplished something. I died about 5-7 times on just the first lvl, and another 3 times on the first boss, keep in mind I did not use the Royal, so that will make it a smidget easier. ALL enemies have a pattern, study & Adapt, thats the key to survival in this game. I sold off my import copie right when this was announced for $55.

Im actually going to preorder a copy of this tommorow, since Alpha Protocol was pushed back till summer of next year, and I had that paid off at gamestop.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

I bought the Asian/English version and DAMN this is fucken stupid hard, but yet very rewarding like no other game I played this year, you actually feel like you accomplished something. I died about 5-7 times on just the first lvl, and another 3 times on the first boss, keep in mind I did not use the Royal, so that will make it a smidget easier. ALL enemies have a pattern, study & Adapt, thats the key to survival in this game. I sold off my import copie right when this was announced for $55.

Im actually going to preorder a copy of this tommorow, since Alpha Protocol was pushed back till summer of next year, and I had that paid off at gamestop.

I only had the minimum of $5 put down on the DE of this game, so I got it back earlier and now I'm hoping that TRU gets the Deluxe Edition in, since I'd get it there with the $67 I have in credit from their stores.

[Poor2More]

*Great idea about the TRU, The TRU by my house never gets collectors edition in, let alone any atlus games. I went the amazon route, got the deluxe edition for $51 (Double Stacked ECA codes) shipped w/release day delivery

[Paco]

The difficulty of this game isn't going to be SHIT on me. I beat games that would make people CRY from difficulty. I beat Hydlide and Double Dragon 3. This game will be no problem.

[Lorddraco07]

Definitely looking forward to getting this game Tuesday from Amazon! Seemed like a really good game back when people were preordering the Asian version and happy its coming here finally.

[Thomas96]

I'm the gamer thinking that this game isn't going to be as hard as they say...

[gunm]

lol.

[Paco]

This game isn't going to be SHIT on me. I'm from the old school. I eat steel and shit bullets. Some of the games I beat in the past are

Bad Dudes
Double Dragon
Hydlide
Friday the 13th
Nightmare on Elm Street
Mike Tyson's Punch Out
Mortal Kombat 2
Almost beat King's Field games.

This game is not going to hurt me. Infact I'm going to kick ITS ass.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

This game isn't going to be SHIT on me. I'm from the old school. I eat steel and shit bullets. Some of the games I beat in the past are

Bad Dudes
Double Dragon
Hydlide
Friday the 13th
Nightmare on Elm Street
Mike Tyson's Punch Out
Mortal Kombat 2
Almost beat King's Field games.

This game is not going to hurt me. Infact I'm going to kick ITS ass.

The game isn't going to shit on you? Well, I certainly hope not, since that's kinda disgusting. But if you're into that, then so be it. Different strokes for different folks, as they say. :razz: :lol:

As for beating some of those games, Punchout was easy once you learned the patterns to the other fighters. :razz:

[enufs8d]

This game isn't going to be SHIT on me. I'm from the old school. I eat steel and shit bullets. Some of the games I beat in the past are

Bad Dudes
Double Dragon
Hydlide
Friday the 13th
Nightmare on Elm Street
Mike Tyson's Punch Out
Mortal Kombat 2
Almost beat King's Field games.

This game is not going to hurt me. Infact I'm going to kick ITS ass.

how come there's no mention of early mega mans, contra or battletoads? and hows that platnium on sfiv going? ( i gave up on that one a long time ago).

[happy]

I could beat Mega Mans 1 and 2 in the day, but now I couldn't even make it through the demo level of MM9, so I am fully expecting the get a beating, it will be a nice change of pace after playing some Prince of Persia.

[Snake2715]

Ghosts n Goblins?... thats one that people were pissed off, or the endless battletoads level...

The game almost fell apart after that level if I remember correctly... its like they ran out of time, so they through in a hard as level so hopefully people wouldnt get past it, to see their shoddy work.

What happens if you shut the game off once you start to die? I can imagine the old school resets happening, then someone jacking their hard drive.

[wildcpac]

I am going to wait to see if this game gets a Black Friday deal. Are others in the same boat?

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

I am going to wait to see if this game gets a Black Friday deal. Are others in the same boat?

Lotsa luck on that. Much like Nintendo first party titles, Atlus released titles rarely go on sale/clearance. Plus, I haven't seen ANYWHERE that's advertising they're going to be carrying it besides Gamestop as far as B&M places go.

But maybe I'll get lucky and be able to grab the lone copy that Toys R Us may get of the Deluxe Edition before anyone else realizes they have it. <fingers crossed>

[Paco]

how come there's no mention of early mega mans, contra or battletoads? and hows that platnium on sfiv going? ( i gave up on that one a long time ago).

I actually did beat Battletoads. That game however has left a mental scar I rather not bring back. I beat the original contra without the code. And for Megaman, I only beat 2 3 and 4. So I don't consider it 100% complete.

And I don't need a plat on SF4. I only need the trophies for beating people. The 1 player ones mean shit to me.

[Jodou]

I'm thinking Temple Knight to start as a novice since they sound like a paladin class. Do they suck ass or are they pretty OP with their healing spells? I'm not worried about having a ranged attack, since LOS/dodging shouldn't be hard.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

Trust me when I say this Jodou. If you want to get all of the various equipment towards the end of the first real level that's lying out amid the charred remains of many fallen soldiers(including what I believe is a really good sword), you'll want a ranged attack to take out the reason behind the charred remains.

I tried ducking and dodging and I ended up going all the way back to the beginning of the level because I zigged when I should've zagged.

There's also another spot where there's a 'slightly too powerful for a newbie' enemy(not saying where) who you can take out with a good series of ranged attacks if you're fast enough. Otherwise, he's a one hit and you're dead kind of enemy.

Believe me when I say go with using a Royal for the ranged attack, you'll thank me.

[gunm]

Hopefully the change in difficulty didn't change that Royal ranged attack strategy. :p

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

I hope not. But just judging from that first level and the videos I've seen of future bosses, you're gonna need ranged attacks. Some of these bosses seriously are as big as a friggin' 4-5 story building, if not bigger.

[Snake2715]

The thing is all these classes have their weaknesses. So to say everyone should start as a Royal is crazy.. maybe down the line they suffer as they were front end loaded...?

[Jodou]

Trust me when I say this Jodou. If you want to get all of the various equipment towards the end of the first real level that's lying out amid the charred remains of many fallen soldiers(including what I believe is a really good sword), you'll want a ranged attack to take out the reason behind the charred remains.

I tried ducking and dodging and I ended up going all the way back to the beginning of the level because I zigged when I should've zagged.

There's also another spot where there's a 'slightly too powerful for a newbie' enemy(not saying where) who you can take out with a good series of ranged attacks if you're fast enough. Otherwise, he's a one hit and you're dead kind of enemy.

Believe me when I say go with using a Royal for the ranged attack, you'll thank me.
Isn't there some sort of firebomb you can throw at enemies? I was reading up about some turpentine that you can coat your sword with among other things, but I thought you could also throw it to set things on fire. I wasn't paying too close attention though, as I was mostly just checking out the different classes.

[Lorddraco07]

Hopefully everyone got their amazon order in that wanted release day shipping cause it's no longer available to use.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

Isn't there some sort of firebomb you can throw at enemies? I was reading up about some turpentine that you can coat your sword with among other things, but I thought you could also throw it to set things on fire. I wasn't paying too close attention though, as I was mostly just checking out the different classes.

There are firebombs, but they're a pita to use. Or at least they were for me.

[FriskyTanuki]

It seems that the US version might be getting out there a bit before release since Atlus feels like they need to send out a PSA that the servers won't be up until the 6th.

[gunm]

Well, it's says "Release Date 10/6" on Atlus' web site. I hope the people who buy the game visit Atlus' site once in a while. >_<

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

I only visited Atlus' site to see if they may consider releasing the guide that comes with the Deluxe Edition of DS as a standalone at some point. Thus far I've seen no response from them regarding my message, so I'm getting the feeling that that means NO.

[Jodou]

I only visited Atlus' site to see if they may consider releasing the guide that comes with the Deluxe Edition of DS as a standalone at some point. Thus far I've seen no response from them regarding my message, so I'm getting the feeling that that means NO.
Not like you can't find scans somewhere.

[Poor2More]

Isn't there some sort of firebomb you can throw at enemies? I was reading up about some turpentine that you can coat your sword with among other things, but I thought you could also throw it to set things on fire. I wasn't paying too close attention though, as I was mostly just checking out the different classes.

Turpentine, is the key to first boss, wont spoil it for ya but it def helps the situation you will be in

[Malkovich]

Has there been a confirmation that the NA release is harder than the other versions? Has Atlus stated as much? In what ways?

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

Not like you can't find scans somewhere.

True. But even though my PC is right next to my PS3 now, I'd rather have the physical guide to flip through instead of relying on a scan or online guide.

[happy]

I finally ordered my copy through amazon today (I don't have prime for release date delivery anyway), and I am convinced it will never show up in my gold box.

[bjstucker]

I am sticking with my philosophy of Temple Knight if I die too much and I feel the royal is the way to go after the first day then that is what I will do.

[Malkovich]

So no one knows?

[Halo05]

I don't want to spoil any of the game for myself but I'm probably going to go with some cleric/priest type character. Here's hoping they wear plate ala D&D instead of robes ala Warcraft.

[Thongsy]

I thinking of going as a Knight or maybe a Thief. Does anybody know like on average how long each level or zone takes to clear, on a single run, obviously I'll die and it'll take more time but how long is each level? Also can I start co-op immeadiately or would that not be available till after a few levels?

[ChibiJosh]

I always play mages in games like this, so I guess that's what I'm going to be doing.

[Malkovich]

Zomg, I'm invisible. The world is going on without me.

Does anyone have any confirmation on what Ship said in the last Cagcast about increased difficulty in the NA version?

Is it true?

[ChibiJosh]

Zomg, I'm invisible. The world is going on without me.

Does anyone have any confirmation on what Ship said in the last Cagcast about increased difficulty in the NA version?

Is it true?

Go back a page, it was already talked about. We don't know if it's true or not.

[gunm]

There's five stages. Not having actually played the game yet, I assume they are all long and wrought with danger. I can't imagine the game going very fast what with all the dying and players invading your game and such.

Hopefully the Royal will still have the MP regen or I'm really going to be in a world of hurt. :p

[koji126]

Is there a list of CAGs that will be playing this?

I have mine on preorder, but I don't really know other people who will be playing this.

[gunm]

I always play mages in games like this, so I guess that's what I'm going to be doing.


I would be curious to know how you guys fare, as I heard that thieves and mages are apparently harder to start with.

[Saint Noir]

No list yet. Several of us are getting it for sure though!

[ChibiJosh]

A list wouldn't really matter much, would it? Because you can't really choose who you can play with online, can you?

[Lorddraco07]

No but if someone wants to play with each other just have to tell where to look to join. I believe you drop an item and other people can see it so you meet at that area and have the player drop it.

[Poor2More]

There's five stages. Not having actually played the game yet, I assume they are all long and wrought with danger. I can't imagine the game going very fast what with all the dying and players invading your game and such.

Hopefully the Royal will still have the MP regen or I'm really going to be in a world of hurt. :p

Yes their is 5 stages BUT each consist of Sub Lvls (Ex 1-1,1-2,1-3 2-1, 2-2)

[Thomas96]

has anybody on the face of the earth finished the game yet? Can it be finished?

[happy]

has anybody on the face of the earth finished the game yet? Can it be finished?


My understanding is that it's an endless loop of new game +s in which you keep your character and all of the enemies get stronger, so yes in terms of reaching the end of the game, but technically it can loop forever (someone correct me if I'm wrong)

And is everyone planning to be a royal (I think I have been convinced), do any other classes start with particularly interesting weapons/items?

[Poor2More]

has anybody on the face of the earth finished the game yet? Can it be finished?

Honestly this game beat the determination out of me, enough to give up, with my head held in shame, BUT when I beat the levels that I did (up to world two) I did a few air fist pumps while jumping out my chair :D

[Snake2715]

Does anyone know if there is an ending of sorts? I will be reallu bummed if its just and end and starts over.. I am not down with games of this difficulty and getting to the last level and then having it just start over with no resolution.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

I think I'm going to give this game another whirl tonight. I'll let you all know how brutal it is after I probably quit after 2 hours of repeating the same battles over and over. :razz:

[happy]

I think I'm going to give this game another whirl tonight. I'll let you all know how brutal it is after I probably quit after 2 hours of repeating the same battles over and over. :razz:

At least the same battle doesn't repeat after you beat them (I assume at least)... I just beat the same boss for the fifth time in Prince of Persia.

And I do believe there is an ending before the new game +, my minimal knowledge of the story at least would imply that (I'm trying to avoid encountering too many spoilers, not that I'll be playing this for the story).

[Saint Noir]

Still killing here...
http://www.gamerankings.com/ps3/954345-demons-souls/index.html

Plus a few more recent ones... I only skimmed so I can't vouch for spoilers. Trying to stay as spoiler free as possible.
http://www.endsights.com/2009/10/04/demons-souls-review-ps3/

http://www.thatvideogameblog.com/2009/10/04/review-demons-souls-ps3/

EDIT - I like how the lowest review just gripes about the difficulty. That is an acceptable ding as everyone already knows it is hard.

[SynGamer]

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps3/demonssouls

Game would have a rating of 90.4 if you drop the lowest score of 60 by Gamervision.

[Thomas96]

My understanding is that it's an endless loop of new game +s in which you keep your character and all of the enemies get stronger, so yes in terms of reaching the end of the game, but technically it can loop forever (someone correct me if I'm wrong)

And is everyone planning to be a royal (I think I have been convinced), do any other classes start with particularly interesting weapons/items?

So far I've learned that having those ranged attacks (from Royal class) is good, although you might pay for it later in the game.

Honestly this game beat the determination out of me, enough to give up, with my head held in shame, BUT when I beat the levels that I did (up to world two) I did a few air fist pumps while jumping out my chair :D

Ninja Gaiden Sigma did that to me... but I refused to abandon the way of the ninja. I just abandoned the game instead.

[Gourd]

I'm getting it for sure. One thing I'm excited about is trying to play a HELPFUL black soul. It's my understanding that you don't actually have to hurt the other player. Something about confusing someone that way... amuses me.

[Jodou]

I'm getting it for sure. One thing I'm excited about is trying to play a HELPFUL black soul. It's my understanding that you don't actually have to hurt the other player. Something about confusing someone that way... amuses me.
I plan to PK the shit out of everyone lol.

[Count]

I plan to PK the shit out of everyone lol.

MGO_Count will be owning. :D

[punkmaggit]

has anybody on the face of the earth finished the game yet? Can it be finished?

Yup. I beat the original Asian version awhile back (see my completed games link). Definitely a great play-through.

[Count]

Yup. I beat the original Asian version awhile back (see my completed games link). Definitely a great play-through.

How long was it anyways?
And how long do you think will New Game + last?

[StillFree]

How long was it anyways?
And how long do you think will New Game + last?

Clocked in 106 hrs to Platinum, Soul Level of 176 and New Game +3. (so played through the game 4 times) If I remember correctly my first run was about 60 hrs.

[Count]

Do you think this game would last as long as Oblivion?
On Oblivion, me and my brother reached around 200+ hours.

With different files.

[StillFree]

Do you think this game would last as long as Oblivion?
On Oblivion, me and my brother reached around 200+ hours.

With different files.


Oblivion is more open-ended, Demon's Souls is more point A to point B. Unless you like the online aspect of it or want to rack up alot of new game+, I don't see a lot of people getting 200+ hrs out of it.

[Count]

Oblivion is more open-ended, Demon's Souls is more point A to point B. Unless you like the online aspect of it or want to rack up alot of new game+, I don't see a lot of people getting 200+ hrs out of it.

Hmm interesting. So I'm guessing it's a linear game.
As for multiplayer, anyone know where I can read about every multiplayer features?

[Saint Noir]

Hmm interesting. So I'm guessing it's a linear game.
As for multiplayer, anyone know where I can read about every multiplayer features?

I would just watch this video if you haven't... to me it is the best way to explain/see it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14_OICVhKIQ&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=8D8DA14A89AF39AF

[StillFree]

Hmm interesting. So I'm guessing it's a linear game.


Character creation / development is pretty open, choosing what level to play is also. (after completing the training level and 1-1, 1-3 has a requirement to enter)

The main goal of every level is to find and kill the boss demon to advance, so in that aspect it is a linear game.

I plan to PK the shit out of everyone lol.

You'll get some kills but most of the time you're going to get smashed on by:

1. someone smarter and better equipped.
or
2. someone who just summoned 2 blue phantoms that juggle your ass to death with rage of the gods and firestorm.

[gunm]

Amazon has my game in "shipping soon" status.

[Jodou]

You'll get some kills but most of the time you're going to get smashed on by:

1. someone smarter and better equipped.
or
2. someone who just summoned 2 blue phantoms that juggle your ass to death with rage of the gods and firestorm.
I thought this game was about skill. /sadface

[ChibiJosh]

Amazon has my game in "shipping soon" status.
Mine too!

[Saint Noir]

Amazon has my game in "shipping soon" status.

Not me... so you guys are jerks!

And to the PKer... I'm sure there is a lot of skill... but going in blind with half life automatically puts you at a disadvantage. If someone busts into my game I am summoning some help ASAP! 8-)

[StillFree]

I thought this game was about skill. /sadface

Skill is still required to be a good pker, but the deck is certainly stacked against them. The pker has the advantage of being able to move freely through the level without monster aggro. On the other hand the pker starts at the beginning of the level, is announced when entering the victims game, and most likely will get triple teamed.

If you're still interested you can probably find pk character builds to help you plan weapon / armor usage and skill point distribution.

[Snake2715]

Nice.

StillFree,

Am I correct in my understanding is, ifyou do that and lose you actually lose skill point assignments or levels of some sort?

Did you find it overly annoying, or are you the type this game was menat for and are totally cool with the repetitive nature?

[enufs8d]

stillfree - any pointers for the rest of us? im optimistically hoping for a platinum. so since you have gotten yours, i would appreciate anything that you learned that would cut the learning curve and time costs down. and would you agree with using a female royal for the 1st game as others have suggested? thanks.

[StillFree]

Nice.

StillFree,

Am I correct in my understanding is, ifyou do that and lose you actually lose skill point assignments or levels of some sort?

Did you find it overly annoying, or are you the type this game was menat for and are totally cool with the repetitive nature?

From the Demon's Souls wiki:

"If the invading player fails to kill the host, because they somehow die by the environment of the stage (falling, rolling ball trap in 1-x, but not killed by the host or a blue phantom player) your Soul Level will decrease, deducting a level from your highest stat."

Some parts I did find annoying but the games bread and butter was the boss fights as all of those were fun and rewarding. The first play through will be the hardest and will require the most time. Even though the game is suppose to get harder with New Game+ most people wont notice the difference since you retain your level, equipment, and knowledge of what to do and where to go.

stillfree - any pointers for the rest of us? im optimistically hoping for a platinum. so since you have gotten yours, i would appreciate anything that you learned that would cut the learning curve and time costs down. and would you agree with using a female royal for the 1st game as others have suggested? thanks.

Yeah I did go with the female royal at first, but in the end made sure it could use all the weapons efficiently.



1. Don't kill any npcs in the nexus unless you have to, if kill an npc they don't respawn until new game+.

2. Killing npcs lowers your character tendency towards black, there are two rings you have to get for a trophy that rely on your character tendency. Obtain the friend's ring (pure white tendency) first then get the foe's ring (pure black tendency) last. Its harder to raise character tendency from black to white than the other way around.

3. Be aware of crystal geckos and there locations, the crystals they drop are very important for obtaining certain weapon trophies. Geckos in levels 3-2, 3-3, 4-2, and 4-3 drop pure stones that are hard to come by so every kill counts.

4. save your ephemeral eye stones. You can use them to shift your world tendency to pure black by using one then dying. (should only take 7 stones to go from pure white to pure black) Going through the 5 worlds in both pure white / black offer different rewards which you need for completion trophies.

5. lol make sure you keep your shield up at all times because all the enemies are cheap bastards.

thats about it off the top of my head I can add more later. good luck to those getting the game soon. :applause:

[Snake2715]

StillFree (and others),

Thanks for coming by and giving us a little insight on the game.





Does any know if the cover art etc of the regular version the same as the CE of the game? I know the CE comes with a hard box and extras, but is the actual game and cover art the same?

[ChibiJosh]

Mine has shipped.

[vocab]

Does any know if the cover art etc of the regular version the same as the CE of the game? I know the CE comes with a hard box and extras, but is the actual game and cover art the same?

It's the same.


Shipping Estimate: October 13th. Screw you Amazon, you never let me down in the past, why now?

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

I had my first invader in my game last night. When I heard the sounds of battle on a portion of the level I hadn't yet reached, I was understandably confused. Then I saw him/her in soul form kicking ass with the character you have to save on the first real level.

I was like 'oh shit', since I figured they were going to kill all the enemies and then come back for me. But luckily they just disappeared after helping annihilate most of the enemies for the level.

I managed to get to the point where I opened the gate to the first boss battle, which is towards the beginning of the first real level. However, I got my ass readily handed to me in the first attempt at slaying the boss(Phalanx).

This game is still brutal, but a hell of a rush once you figure out where you've gotta go.

BTW, if anyone gets stuck and didn't get the Deluxe Edition with the guide, the YouTube video strategies help immensely.

[Chibi_Kaji]

Does any know if the cover art etc of the regular version the same as the CE of the game? I know the CE comes with a hard box and extras, but is the actual game and cover art the same?
It's the same as the regular edition.

[Saint Noir]

Shipping Estimate: October 13th. Screw you Amazon, you never let me down in the past, why now?

Mine says the same and has yet to ship (or even say preparing). I am quite disappointed. If there isn't movement by tomorrow I'll be sadder still! :lol:

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

:razz: I've been playing Demon's Souls for more than 2 months.

[ChibiJosh]

Mine says the same and has yet to ship (or even say preparing). I am quite disappointed. If there isn't movement by tomorrow I'll be sadder still! :lol:
Mine also said the estimate was the 13th, but it says the shipping estimate for all my upcoming preorders is a week after they come out.

[blissskr]

Demon's Souls Wiki (http://www.demons-souls.com/wiki/) just got this in an email.

[Snake2715]

Shipping estimate: October 13, 2009 here too...

good thing its not just me.

[koji126]

For most of my games, they always ship a week later...even for preorders.

[kms_md]

shipping estimate of 10/13 for me as well ...

[Poor2More]

I had my first invader in my game last night. When I heard the sounds of battle on a portion of the level I hadn't yet reached, I was understandably confused. Then I saw him/her in soul form kicking ass with the character you have to save on the first real level.

I was like 'oh shit', since I figured they were going to kill all the enemies and then come back for me. But luckily they just disappeared after helping annihilate most of the enemies for the level.

I managed to get to the point where I opened the gate to the first boss battle, which is towards the beginning of the first real level. However, I got my ass readily handed to me in the first attempt at slaying the boss(Phalanx).

This game is still brutal, but a hell of a rush once you figure out where you've gotta go.

BTW, if anyone gets stuck and didn't get the Deluxe Edition with the guide, the YouTube video strategies help immensely.

lol I remember when I had an invader, easily killing the enemies, after he killed the enemies in the room I was in, he just stood atop the bridge and stared at me, I was scared shitless, ran like hell!!! then he just dissapeared, intimadation works for sure lol

[Count]

@Still

If I want most out of my money. Which game do you think I should get.
Borderlands or Demons souls

[happy]

Mine went from shipping estimate of the 13th to shipping earlier tonight. Hopefully it will arrive by Friday so I can play this weekend.

[Saint Noir]

This is a great write up...

http://www.destructoid.com/non-review-why-i-couldn-t-finish-demon-s-souls-151008.phtml

[SynGamer]

Man, this has to be the most unsure game purchase I've ever had. I'm torn in like three different directions; buy it because it's awesome, pass because it's insanely difficult, or but it because it's awesomely difficult. If GS has their B2G1 sale and I see this, I think I'll pick it up...

On a side note, is there any way to turn off the 'multiplayer' aspects I really don't like the idea of someone coming into my game and killing me. That would be a game breaker for me instantly.

[gunm]

Yes, you can play offline. Without online, you don't get the hints and don't have the option of having other players assist you. I hear PK doesn't happen as often as you might be thinking, and when it does, you're usually at the advantage.

[SynGamer]

Yes, you can play offline. Without online, you don't get the hints and don't have the option of having other players assist you. I hear PK doesn't happen as often as you might be thinking, and when it does, you're usually at the advantage.

Well, as a failsafe, I put this on my Goozex list. 24th in line. This site is almost as bad as Woot sometimes...

[koji126]

Mine went from shipping estimate of the 13th to shipping earlier tonight. Hopefully it will arrive by Friday so I can play this weekend.

Lucky...mine still says shipping estimate for 13th. Just wondering...did you opt in for free shipping?

[gunm]

Mine is FSSS and still in "shipping soon" status. Hopefully it goes out tomorrow, otherwise, I'm thinking I might not get it until next week.

[enufs8d]

mine is out for delivery at 30 miles away. too bad ups doesn't deliver in the middle of the night/morning.

for those with the 13th ship date, are you guys on fss? i recommend prime if you're planning on buying a lot in the next months, just because amazon upgrades prime to release date for some games. i noticed that the list of release date games keeps getting larger to include others beyond super blockbusters.

[Gourd]

Meh. Honestly, I don't mind waiting. If I wanted to pay to get it earlier, I would have preordered it at the local Gamestop. ... Where they probably would have 'misplaced' my preorder bonuses.

[Jodou]

I think it's funny that mine was already delivered but it's a workday, so it will have to wait. Any other time I'm waiting at home it wouldn't arrive until afternoon. Such is life.

[blissskr]

Ive been in soul form so long is all I have to say right now lol.

[mcpeepants]

Ordered from GoGamer:

Order Date: Aug 1, 2009
Order Status: On Hold

WAT

[wildcpac]

Are there towns/cities in this game to explore or is it purely 100 percent combat?

[DrFoo]

I was going to wait in line at Goozex for a copy but for some reason I want this game badly so I just ordered a copy. I think this is the first time I've purchased a game near its release date since Left 4 Dead and Metal Gear Solid 4. I can't believe I've done this.

[AdvOfJet]

Went to the local Gamestop and all they had were pre-orders. Took calling 5 other stores in the area before I found one that had a single non-reserved copy left over and they held it for me. A few of the GS around here only got 3 copies of the game in.

The first store I went to got in 7 copies and had 4 on pre-order reserve. When I asked to purchase one of the extra copies the only clerk in the store said "Sorry, those are for me and my two friends."

Won't get to play until later tonight though. Cant wait to run around and die :hot:

[Number83]

Mine says shipping the 13th as well, but I opted for the Free Shipping. This was for the Deluxe version.

[TC]

The first store I went to got in 7 copies and had 4 on pre-order reserve. When I asked to purchase one of the extra copies the only clerk in the store said "Sorry, those are for me and my two friends."

Now thats good customer service. :lol:

[ProggleRock]

I only just started giving this game an honest look, and it looks mind-blowing. The anonymous co-op implementation looks absolutely ground-breaking. This might be the game that forces me to pull the trigger on a PS3.

[SynGamer]

I only just started giving this game an honest look, and it looks mind-blowing. The anonymous co-op implementation looks absolutely ground-breaking. This might be the game that forces me to pull the trigger on a PS3.

Not sure if the TRU.com deal is still alive but you can get a Slim for something like $230.

[kms_md]

although my shipping estimate at amazon was for 10/13 (with free shipping), it was sent out late last night!

[Snake2715]

with you guys that did fsss at amazon... when did you order?

[enufs8d]

The first store I went to got in 7 copies and had 4 on pre-order reserve. When I asked to purchase one of the extra copies the only clerk in the store said "Sorry, those are for me and my two friends."

fucked up! i would have called the DM on him. I thought you couldn't buy stuff on your working hours. Or better yet, you should have given him the usual GS crap they give us...

(roles reversed)
customer: did you preorder demon's souls le?
gamestop employee: no
customer: well, im sorry we dont have any for you. and you shouldn't be allowed to buy any extras nonpreordered that come in.
gamestop employee: buy why? because you're a douchebag.

[Saint Noir]

with you guys that did fsss at amazon... when did you order?

I ordered on the 23rd of September. Fairly late, but still... order hasn't even moved into shipping soon yet.

I would definitely call the DM on that Gamestop store. That's garbage and Gamestop employees do it all the time.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/10/demons-souls-now-available-for-ps3/
This has some starting tips! Now if only I could start... :lol:

[blissskr]

Im liking this game alot lol, Ive been playing pretty much since Ups dropped it off this morning. It is hard at times but its also fun, I think if you get frustrated with it you die more just trying to charge in and fight things to get back to where you were lol at least I did that for awhile before I learnt better.

[jrsmaster411]

Just picked up my Deluxe Edition pre order with the bonuses, It smells delightful

[AdvOfJet]

I would definitely call the DM on that Gamestop store. That's garbage and Gamestop employees do it all the time.

Eh I hardly ever go to Gamestop so I don't really care that much I just thought it was funny. I was heading to Toys R Us to pick the $5 Snow White Blu-ray and just called the Gamestop that was on the way up there. Girl there was the complete opposite and offered to hold the game for me without me even asking.

There's going to be good and bad employees for every company. No real way to avoid it.

[knightsdwn]

Game is amazing so far. Only died twice on the way to Phalanx and I whooped it's blob ass.

I'm pretty sure my overconfidence will be the end of me.

[Saint Noir]

Game is amazing so far. Only died twice on the way to Phalanx and I whooped it's blob ass.

I'm pretty sure my overconfidence will be the end of me.

What class did you go with? How about others who have it? 8-)

[Lorddraco07]

I'm really enjoying the game as well. The first boss was definitely different and made me think (didn't know about how to correctly kill him). I haven't died yet though. I seem to play too defensive and stealthy to get caught off guard so far.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

Went to the local Gamestop and all they had were pre-orders. Took calling 5 other stores in the area before I found one that had a single non-reserved copy left over and they held it for me. A few of the GS around here only got 3 copies of the game in.

The first store I went to got in 7 copies and had 4 on pre-order reserve. When I asked to purchase one of the extra copies the only clerk in the store said "Sorry, those are for me and my two friends."

Won't get to play until later tonight though. Cant wait to run around and die :hot:

:lol: I knew that would happen at some GS stores. Of course, the reason for that being that people think Atlus equates to automatically gonna be worth a shitload down the line.

While I can see that happening with this, there's no guarantee and the harder difficulty will probably have many people selling their copies within a week or two.

HAHAHAHA!!! I just checked Ebay and here's one person already saying it's 'too hard for me' after playing for an HOUR: http://cgi.ebay.com/Demons-Souls-Deluxe-Edition-Playstation-3_W0QQitemZ170391520321QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVideo_Ga mes_Games?hash=item27ac204441

[carbontiger]

I really wish there was a demo to try it b/c I love this type of game and the "multiplayer" sounds very very cool but even the Gametrailers review started with "This game is hard..."

Am I crazy, or is the thought of losing hours of progress not sound fun?

[The Mana Knight]

No Deluxe Edition copy today for me, thanks to GameStop. I just blogged about it here on CAG (GameStop didn't get enough in despite me preordering).

[necrojustice]

I've went to three B&M stores and no one had it.

[koji126]

Just order it from Amazon, they seem to still have it available. Although it does take a week for them to even ship it out.

[io]

Got mine but I'm too sick today to play it... Blah - damn kids and their damn going to school and catching all sorts of crap :cry:.

In any case, I plan to play it when I feel better. If anyone wants to add me on PSN so I can do this multiplayer thing I'd appreciate it. I don't have that many people on my PSN friends list (as opposed to my 360 list for some reason).

Even if this isn't required I wouldn't mind getting some people with interests similar to mine (this game, Katamari, R&C, basically any non-shooter, non-fighting, non-sports games ;)).

[AdvOfJet]

HAHAHAHA!!! I just checked Ebay and here's one person already saying it's 'too hard for me' after playing for an HOUR: http://cgi.ebay.com/Demons-Souls-Deluxe-Edition-Playstation-3_W0QQitemZ170391520321QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVideo_Ga mes_Games?hash=item27ac204441

Damn they didn't give it any time at all :lol:

[Zmonkay]

so does the multiplayer base anything off of your friends list at all? I ordered a copy for myself and a friend today, and I'd prefer to play online with him (and others on my friends list) over randoms if possible.

[necrojustice]

I was hoping to buy it at a B&M store and then re-purchase it at the B2G1 at TRU next week, then return the new copy to the B&M store :(

[knightsdwn]

Playing as a Royal as others have suggested.

I've officially hit a wall on the way to the Tower Knight boss in World 1-2 after dying 3 consecutive times. Those stupid Blue Eye Knights love to gang up on me :bomb:.

I'm pretty sure I can get past those bastards and the boss relatively easy when I get some more playing time tomorrow.

[mykevermin]

Um...you're supposed to die in one hit at the end of the tutorial, right? This cat killed me in one hit then I ended up in the Nexus.

Like the gameplay mechanic so far. Hope it's more fun than frustrating, unlike what most people have been saying.

[knightsdwn]

Um...you're supposed to die in one hit at the end of the tutorial, right? This cat killed me in one hit then I ended up in the Nexus.

Like the gameplay mechanic so far. Hope it's more fun than frustrating, unlike what most people have been saying.

Yeah you get one shot killed. Dying is a major part of the game so I guess the game introduces it to the player rather early on.

It can get a bit frustrating but it'll probably be the player's fault for not being cautious of his or her surroundings. Although there are a fair share of situations where you'll be saying bull shit with some cheap enemies stun locking you.

[Saint Noir]

Well, no movement on my Amazon preorder prompted me to check out a really cool B&M I visit from time to time. I said if they had the deluxe edition I would get it and cancel Amazon's (as it was a standard edition). They had multiple copies of the deluxe edition. Woo woo.

I now have it in hand and will get to play it this week. Supported a cool B&M store and got the deluxe. If anyone in southern L.A. wants to grab a copy, let me know and I'll give you the B&M info.

Oh, and the store was cool and gladly proclaimed I would be getting the artbook/CD as well, instead of trying to hoard.

[blissskr]

Anyone else think its kind of perverted the way the soul maiden says something along the lines of "touch the demon inside of me" lol.

[gunm]

Um...you're supposed to die in one hit at the end of the tutorial, right? This cat killed me in one hit then I ended up in the Nexus.

Like the gameplay mechanic so far. Hope it's more fun than frustrating, unlike what most people have been saying.



Yeah, I hear most people die before the end of the tutorial.

Got my shipping conf from amazon just a little while ago. I might get it before the weekend, but maybe early next week depending on the shipping.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

Um...you're supposed to die in one hit at the end of the tutorial, right? This cat killed me in one hit then I ended up in the Nexus.

Like the gameplay mechanic so far. Hope it's more fun than frustrating, unlike what most people have been saying.

It's a very fun game, if not frustrating at times, but after getting up to the boss last night for the first level FINALLY I'm definitely liking it even more.

None of my local Gamestop stores had a single copy left, but I still have the import so I'll just try and slog through that. But I still want the guide for it.

[doodofdoods]

Got my copy from Amazon today. $47 for the deluxe edition, so awesome.

Probably play it later tonight, I'll read the strategy guide after I get my ass handed to me.

[carnefice]

I picked up my deluxe edition earlier today, and have been playing on and off since then, and I've only beat 1-1. I've only died 3 times I think, so I'm pretty proud of myself.. lol. But now I know don't mess around with the red eyes.. lol

I'm all for the multiplayer part. Even though I haven't been in anyone's game, I love the messages on the floor. I know I would have died a lot more if it wasn't for them, So I try to do my part and place as many good notes as I can. And the full heath bonus is great :whee:


I'm really enjoying the game as well. The first boss was definitely different and made me think (didn't know about how to correctly kill him). I haven't died yet though. I seem to play too defensive and stealthy to get caught off guard so far.

That's the best way to play.. I always see the ghosts of other players running and dying like crazy.. lol

HAHAHAHA!!! I just checked Ebay and here's one person already saying it's 'too hard for me' after playing for an HOUR: http://cgi.ebay.com/Demons-Souls-Deluxe-Edition-Playstation-3_W0QQitemZ170391520321QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVideo_Ga mes_Games?hash=item27ac204441

At least he tried... lol

[seanr1221]

Can you upgrade your attributes before finishing 1-1?

Also, are there any good guide for beginners? I don't want to dump my points into something worthless.

[Count]

Just got the game, And I gotta say, I'm loving it!
McLoving style~

My 1st impression is posted on my blog (sig)

But wow, love this game :D

[knightsdwn]

But now I know don't mess around with the red eyes.. lol


Ha ha yeah, my only two deaths in 1-1 was trying to fight that bastard. I found a pretty easy way to kill 'em is to lure it all the way back to the long winding staircase with all the dreglings and the short cut to the entrance. The Red Eye Knight will eventually just fall off and die a horrible death thus netting you around 2k souls and some nice items.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

You mean the red eye knight that's off on the one side walkway atop the castle? He's brutal, but I beat him using Soul Arrow and backing up constantly. LOL

[Zmonkay]

Edit: Woops, nevermind. Just read the online portion of the wiki. Makes sense that it's only randoms, as only live players who have not beaten that levels boss, and have a specific item to use, can "summon" ghost players. Ah well, looks hella fun regardless.

Sorry, but I could really use an answer on this, as another buddy of mine only wants it if we can purposely pair up. From what I've read, that's not how it works, right? Or am I mistaken?

so does the multiplayer base anything off of your friends list at all? I ordered a copy for myself and a friend today, and I'd prefer to play online with him (and others on my friends list) over randoms if possible.

[Saint Noir]

Man, I am loving this game thus far. It is exhilarating just to play a game in this style, which I have not done in ages. So awesome so early... can't wait to see what's ahead!

I took out the red eyes. But he stuck me the first time. I got turned around and he smacked me good. Second time I put him on mega blast though (if mega blast constitutes running away every chance I got).

EDIT - Was so scared to turn off the game... didn't know how save and load worked. Luckily it loaded me right back to where I was. Was going to be unhappy if I had to roll through the level again.

[xeex]

Sorry, but I could really use an answer on this, as another buddy of mine only wants it if we can purposely pair up. From what I've read, that's not how it works, right? Or am I mistaken?

It's possible to play with friends, but it seems difficult to set up.

I'm only basing this on a portion of a review I read on Amazon:

If you are in soul form, then you can put a blue sign on the ground in order to be summoned by others or you can use an item to invade another player's game. However, you cannot just invite your friends to your game. If you and your friends are on different servers (which you have no control over) you won't see the signs they left and will not be able to summon them. If you happen to be on the same server, you can arrange a location in the game to put the sign (via XMB message) and then summon the other person.


Link to whole review. (http://www.amazon.com/review/R1984V6Z1RAME3/)

[dallow]

It is possible to kill the tutorial boss apparently, and you get a nice reward.

[dallow]

Sean (and others)

This might help.
http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

It is possible to kill the tutorial boss apparently, and you get a nice reward.

My one buddy started taking life off of the tutorial boss, but then I told him to do the roll move to get out of the way of a strike and he didn't roll fast/far enough and got killed.:cry:

But define 'nice reward'.

[Logain8955]

The tutorial boss supposedly shows back up at the end of 4-3, hopefully you get the same loot.

[Jodou]

Playing as a Royal as others have suggested.

I've officially hit a wall on the way to the Tower Knight boss in World 1-2 after dying 3 consecutive times. Those stupid Blue Eye Knights love to gang up on me :bomb:.

I'm pretty sure I can get past those bastards and the boss relatively easy when I get some more playing time tomorrow.
Spend some time practicing parry. You're invulnerable while performing a critical blow, so you can one-shot them once you've perfected it.

On a side note, I went Temple Knight and I've never needed a ranged attack like people have been clamoring about. I guess it's an easier learning curve if you're not forced to learn the melee mechanics but I'd be willing to bet it will bite them in the ass later.

Question for the experienced: is it possible to parry polearms? It's the only weapon I've never been able to time correctly it seems, so I stopped trying assuming you just couldn't.

[Saint Noir]

Man, I love the parry move.

The ranged attack seems too easy sometimes, so unless there is a huge group of enemies, I usually melee attack. I figure, as you stated, it might come back to haunt me. So I want to make sure I am well rounded.

I also never enter a room, go down a hallway, etc. without my shield firmly planted in front of my face. A measured pace seems a must. So far so good. I did load up on a ton of HP when I hit the upgrade lady for the first time.

EDIT - Haha... I didn't add my bloodstain until after the time listed...
http://www.destructoid.com/demon-s-souls-has-a-death-toll-you-re-just-a-statistic-151197.phtml

And boy do I love my Cling Ring.

EDIT 2 - LOL at this guys comment... "Based on what I saw last night, probably half of those deaths were due to people thinking that this was Halo and running through doors at full speed, getting flattened by an ambush. And a few unfortunate cases of people just straight running off of ledges."

I saw so many blood stains of people ninja rolling off cliffs or barreling full speed into a room of enemies.

[Gnomes and Pie]

Oh great, I thought I had finally escaped the horror of the Oblivion face generator. Now the nightmares are going to start all over again.

[woodcan]

Damn, this game wasn't even on my radar until yesterday and now I have to have it! Was going to wait until the TRU B2G1 next week but looks like TRU didn't even get this game but Fry's has it on sale :whee:

[Zoglog]

Ok I got a question for you folks.

I don't mind a bit of difficulty. My pet peeve is games that make you re-do hours of work (like suddenly getting spammed all death in persona 3 after 30 minutes of gameplay).... does this kind of fustration happen in this game?

[Poor2More]

The Strategy guide is pretty good, only if it had maps, BUT its still very helpful and worth the DE

[Poor2More]

Ok I got a question for you folks.

I don't mind a bit of difficulty. My pet peeve is games that make you re-do hours of work (like suddenly getting spammed all death in persona 3 after 30 minutes of gameplay).... does this kind of fustration happen in this game?

You mean "Cheap" kills....I can say postivly, that their is none of that, every enemies have a pattern, exploit it

[Zoglog]

Damn, this game wasn't even on my radar until yesterday and now I have to have it! Was going to wait until the TRU B2G1 next week but looks like TRU didn't even get this game but Fry's has it on sale :whee:

on sale @ frys? how much

nm see it :) 49

[Saint Noir]

Not yet. Not to me.

I made it through 1-1 with 1 death maybe. 1-2, I got to the end and decided on a terrible plan and died at the boss. I died a few more times on the way back, but it was no big deal. Levels aren't MASSIVE (yet), so dying means you have to go through again but it isn't a super long ways. You just have to learn where people are and what the best plan of attack is... I don't see the game cheating me at all. When I've died it was because I was impatient or just did something dumb.

But you will die... you will have to redo... but it is rewarding. I think the never cheap thing is the most important part (to me).

[mykevermin]

I did not realize the messages and bloodstains were the assistance and failures (respectively) of other players.

That's fuckin' fantastic. I did get pretty pissed when I died last night, though. The important thing is that today I'm thinking about how to play to avoid dying tonight. That's the sign of a good game. We'll see if I do give up after a few tries, though. I hope not.

[gunm]

I usually play pretty defensively in games in general. I hope that helps me when I get the game later. >_<

[carnefice]

Ha ha yeah, my only two deaths in 1-1 was trying to fight that bastard. I found a pretty easy way to kill 'em is to lure it all the way back to the long winding staircase with all the dreglings and the short cut to the entrance. The Red Eye Knight will eventually just fall off and die a horrible death thus netting you around 2k souls and some nice items.

Yeah I tried doing that but on the part where the two barrels are supposed to stop him, he just broke those down and kept following me to the ends of the earth where I figured I had to fight him, with my pride on the line, but he quickly sent me back to the beginning of the level.. lol Yeah I wanted the spear that he could drop, but I ended up randomly finding it somewhere.

You mean the red eye knight that's off on the one side walkway atop the castle? He's brutal, but I beat him using Soul Arrow and backing up constantly. LOL

I could only get 1 good soul arrow in before he started blocking everything (The second time I tried to fight him). Eventually I gave up.

[ChibiJosh]

This should be here for me tomorrow. Excited!

[Saint Noir]

Was at a boss (2-1) and hit some people's blue messages just for fun. Could have handled the battle on my own (was very much tailored for my current skills/equipment), but it was really cool to have 2 allies running around with me. Definitely recommended!

[The Mana Knight]

My Amazon copy shipped, so I should be joining the party later. I'm really interested to see just how hard it is, lol.

[johnnypark]

I'm waiting for a Deluxe Edition also, which shipped today from a facility less than 3 hours away, so I should have it tomorrow.

[Gourd]

Woot. Mine is on the way. ... I usually shy away from sharing my PSN or Xbox Live account names, but I might need the help at some points in this game.

Anyway, first game in a long time where I'm actually interested in following a thread and reading the war stories of other gamers. It sounds like a lot of normalish Gamers picked this up. As opposed to the Ninja Gaiden Horde...

[Zoglog]

the curse of the holiday season, too many games in too short a period of time. =/ (Even with all the delays to Q1 2010)

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

I did not realize the messages and bloodstains were the assistance and failures (respectively) of other players.

That's fuckin' fantastic. I did get pretty pissed when I died last night, though. The important thing is that today I'm thinking about how to play to avoid dying tonight. That's the sign of a good game. We'll see if I do give up after a few tries, though. I hope not.

I found the bloodstains and phantom players(showing other players going through the same level as you)to be one of the better ideas they implemented in this game besides the hint/message system.

Although, I wonder if the US version has alot of people posting 'this is harsh, evaluate me' like they did in the Asian version.:roll: Apparently, people considered that a good enough message to leave and expect to be rated.

BTW, how many of you went down past where the blacksmith is in the Nexus and read all of the hint messages on the floor? In the Asian version, there were literally like 100-150 messages just down the hall from where the blacksmith is. Some were good and very informative, while others were just more of the 'harsh, evaluate me' ones.

[knightsdwn]

Hmm... any recommendations on how to kill the Red Dragon in 1-1 and 1-2 without using a bow? My Soul Arrow's range isn't far enough to hit it I think...

I've seen several "I'm in trouble, rate me!" messages but mostly in the immediate area of boss fights. Fortunately, the majority of the messages I've read have been relatively helpful. I'm shocked I haven't encountered many douchebag messages telling me to go jump down a cliff for treasure.

[jrsmaster411]

I encountered one funny message and I'm not sure if it was intentional or not. Their was a bad guy who was standing over a dead body guy going crazy with the rag doll physics and it looked like he was tea bagging him and the message said "ed's grindstone". I don't know if it was pure coincidence or if whoever left it saw the same thing and thought that would be funny, I left a "nasty guy" message.

[Poor2More]

I dident relize when you leave Hints on the floor, and someone rates it, you are healed as a reward for helping lol, I had no idea of this when I played the import earlier in the year

[Saint Noir]

Haha... I was reading a review and it made a good point. Lots of people won't be able to get really far (more than likely), so the messages and blood will start to be in short supply. Much more important for everyone to leave helpful info later in the game!

[Chibi_Kaji]

Dumb question... am I supposed to be stuck in soul form after the tutorial level? I just noticed I was still soul after going into 1-1.

[Count]

Ugh, I'm stuck at the Spider boss in 2-1. How do I beat it with melee?

I know I run far back when he does that flamethrower breath.
But sometimes I get an opportunity to attack and sometimes I don't.

I don't have any arrows and I can't buy arrows because my souls are stuck on the boss area.

It's draining all my healing items too >_<

[Jodou]

Haha... I was reading a review and it made a good point. Lots of people won't be able to get really far (more than likely), so the messages and blood will start to be in short supply. Much more important for everyone to leave helpful info later in the game!
I was going through level 2-2 and 2-3 last night and there was literally nothing anywhere. Am I just ahead of the curve or are people giving up that quickly? I suspect once I tackle 1-3 tonight, it will be empty as well.

[Saint Noir]

Ugh, I'm stuck at the Spider boss in 2-1. How do I beat it with melee?

I know I run far back when he does that flamethrower breath.
But sometimes I get an opportunity to attack and sometimes I don't.

I don't have any arrows and I can't buy arrows because my souls are stuck on the boss area.

It's draining all my healing items too >_<

Above... this one... yes you are in soul form any time you die until you beat a boss or maybe use an item (I have not tried this).

For this boss... no idea. If you have an online connection you could always get assistance, hopefully you have the blue stone. One guy in our party of 3 was a purely melee fighter... he bit the dust quickly. Best advice yould be to check the wiki or youtube if you need melee help (or maybe someone else here can shed some light on this!).

EDIT - Jodou, I am at 2-2. I may be through 1-3 by later today, but I do have some errands to run. Just depends on time... if you go in first (and we hit the same servers), tip away! I'll be sure to do the same.

[Jodou]

Ugh, I'm stuck at the Spider boss in 2-1. How do I beat it with melee?

I know I run far back when he does that flamethrower breath.
But sometimes I get an opportunity to attack and sometimes I don't.

I don't have any arrows and I can't buy arrows because my souls are stuck on the boss area.

It's draining all my healing items too >_<
Hope you boosted your endurance, because it's a fight of stamina. Just rush it at the start and block everything. Once you get in his face, it'll try to nom nom you and if you block once or twice it'll become exhausted and collapse. Just blast him with strong attacks at this point and stam up to block the next couple of attacks, then hit him again. After doing that twice, run back to the entrance and start the whole process again. Depending on your damage output, it should take 2-3 times of doing this before it dies. It's a tank and spank fight really.

[erectiontown]

for those of you who got deluxe (still waiting on amazon here), how is the strategy guide? is it a full-on guide, or is it short and not very helpful?

[Jodou]

EDIT - Jodou, I am at 2-2. I may be through 1-3 by later today, but I do have some errands to run. Just depends on time... if you go in first (and we hit the same servers), tip away! I'll be sure to do the same.
Ha, I don't have the patience to keep leaving tips. I just like muscling my way through quickly and getting to the boss fight.

[Saint Noir]

for those of you who got deluxe (still waiting on amazon here), how is the strategy guide? is it a full-on guide, or is it short and not very helpful?

It's pretty nice. It has a lot of useful information and it is nice to have right there at your side. It gives you info on all the items, characters, etc. The guide part is pretty spot on too (I haven't really used this, but skimmed over one section to check it out). It feels fairly comprehensive, though there are plenty of questions you may have that aren't in there. Just the nature of this kind of game. It gives the locations of tons of stuff as well. It's a good sized guide.

[erectiontown]

It's pretty nice. It has a lot of useful information and it is nice to have right there at your side. It gives you info on all the items, characters, etc. The guide part is pretty spot on too (I haven't really used this, but skimmed over one section to check it out). It feels fairly comprehensive, though there are plenty of questions you may have that aren't in there. Just the nature of this kind of game. It gives the locations of tons of stuff as well. It's a good sized guide.
ok cool... that's what i wanted to hear. thanks for answering my question

[jrsmaster411]

Some interesting stats from day 1 straight from the Atlus twitter
Total # of messages in Boletaria Castle = 23,723. Total # of deaths = 7,482. Defeating your first boss in Demon's Souls? Priceless.

[peloquin17]

i cant get enough of this game.

i have a question tho...

the first time through 1-1, there was the red dragon on the bridge.
anyways after beating the boss of the level, i went back into 1-1 to buy something from that merchant.
he was gone, and so were the dragons. it was kinda cool because i was able to get all the goodies the dragons were guarding.

now is this a glitch? from what i've been reading it seems like it.
has this happened to anyone else?

[Saint Noir]

From my understanding.... the dragon guards those treasures in 1-1, but goes away if you kill it in 1-2. Now, when I went through 1-1 the dragon was not there, but I was too afraid to go past the charred bodies. I'll have to go check it out again when I get back to the nexus to see what is up. If I could of grabbed the treasure then and didn't, I'll be mad!

[Snake2715]

I had 35 minutes last night and got through the tutorial. I am going to see if I can sink some more time into it tonight..

it seems like you can just go back and revisit areas huh? Thats kind of cool I guess. I noticed people were on 2-1 but had not seem to beat say 1-3 yet...

I guess I will understand that when I get there!

[dallow]

From my understanding.... the dragon guards those treasures in 1-1, but goes away if you kill it in 1-2. Now, when I went through 1-1 the dragon was not there, but I was too afraid to go past the charred bodies. I'll have to go check it out again when I get back to the nexus to see what is up. If I could of grabbed the treasure then and didn't, I'll be mad!
I never saw a dragon either on my play of 1-1. I saw the charred bodies. Saw bloodstains of dead players and was scared to go forward, but I inched anyway and got all the treasures. No dragon showed up so I was happy.

[ChibiJosh]

I started playing today (and skipped class to do it)! My only grip is that not once has an enemy dropped a MP recovery item.

From my understanding.... the dragon guards those treasures in 1-1, but goes away if you kill it in 1-2. Now, when I went through 1-1 the dragon was not there, but I was too afraid to go past the charred bodies. I'll have to go check it out again when I get back to the nexus to see what is up. If I could of grabbed the treasure then and didn't, I'll be mad!

From looking at the strategy guide, it seems that is has to do with the world tendency thing, but I don't really understand what's going on with that.

[Saint Noir]

I am fairly confused tendency wise as well.

[peloquin17]

i have no idea about world tendencies either.

im just starting to grasp multiplayer.

question about crystal geckos. do they run away for good if you dont kill them in a level, or will they come back?

[rgd2blck]

i cant get enough of this game.

i have a question tho...

the first time through 1-1, there was the red dragon on the bridge.
anyways after beating the boss of the level, i went back into 1-1 to buy something from that merchant.
he was gone, and so were the dragons. it was kinda cool because i was able to get all the goodies the dragons were guarding.

now is this a glitch? from what i've been reading it seems like it.
has this happened to anyone else?

It's not a glitch, your World Tendency was pure white so the dragons were gone. Things change based on white/black Tendency.

ChibiJosh, the Royalty class starts with an MP regen ring. Otherwise you can take the telescope you get after saving Ostrava in 1-1 and trade it to a crow at the top of 4-1. Put it on the ground, the crow will like it, quit out and jump back in and the ring will be there.

[Snake2715]

The world tendancy is also effected by all those on your server... so some thing happen only when its a white tendancy and others when its a dark...

As mentioned earlier in this thread its easier to go dark from a white tendancy, and harder to et back to white... so if you want to go through the game 2 times to see both sides its easier to stay white the first time through..
I am very limited with it as well, but I am guessing its kind of a luck of the draw thing since all those on your server are effecting your tendancy.

[knightsdwn]

It's not a glitch, your World Tendency was pure white so the dragons were gone. Things change based on white/black Tendency.


I'm still trying to understand what turns a level's tendency to white or black.

I believe my Boleterian Palace is pure black and it opened up a part of 1-1 near the starting point of the level with a bunch of unknown soldier souls, a mini-boss chick with bad ass bondage armor, (for female characters only I think) and also some plate armor and shield.

I made a mistake of going in there with a bunch of items so I couldn't carry all the plate items with me. I went back to the nexus to make a deposit and came back but the items I left were all gone :cry:.

[Jodou]

i cant get enough of this game.

i have a question tho...

the first time through 1-1, there was the red dragon on the bridge.
anyways after beating the boss of the level, i went back into 1-1 to buy something from that merchant.
he was gone, and so were the dragons. it was kinda cool because i was able to get all the goodies the dragons were guarding.

now is this a glitch? from what i've been reading it seems like it.
has this happened to anyone else?
The dragons despawn if your WT (World Tendancy) is pure white. I.e. you only did good deeds (killing demons). There's also a very large sword you can only obtain called Keel Smasher after slaying the boss for 2-3 by being pure white.

[Saint Noir]

i have no idea about world tendencies either.

im just starting to grasp multiplayer.

question about crystal geckos. do they run away for good if you dont kill them in a level, or will they come back?

I think gone for good, so you have to catch ones you missed the second time through (+ play). I did see one twice, but that was only one time. I hear you need a strong bow to be worth anything at getting them... also a thief ring would help you sneak up on them.

[peloquin17]

ok i read about them despawning, but i've only passes 1-1.

can your WT get to pure white from just 1 level?

[Jodou]

i have no idea about world tendencies either.

im just starting to grasp multiplayer.

question about crystal geckos. do they run away for good if you dont kill them in a level, or will they come back?
Geckos work like this: a new game will spawn each gecko with a counter set to 1. Every time one either escapes or is slain, that counter is reduced by 1. Every time a boss demon is slain, the counter increases by 1. The stage you're on will also determine the rarity of items they drop, so the higher the stage the better the loot.

[Jodou]

ok i read about them despawning, but i've only passes 1-1.

can your WT get to pure white from just 1 level?
Since you start as neutral and only gain white, from my understanding yes.

[Jodou]

I think gone for good, so you have to catch ones you missed the second time through (+ play). I did see one twice, but that was only one time. I hear you need a strong bow to be worth anything at getting them... also a thief ring would help you sneak up on them.
You don't need a bow, but it helps. They also don't react to rolling, so it's another way to get close up. I find you can just run them down easily and slap them once to flip them over and just wail on them from there.

[Saint Noir]

UGH.

Dragons were there this time for sure (1-1). That sucks. Wish I would have known. On the plus, my new equipment (mostly from 2-2) is so awesome, I mowed through the 1-1 guys without even blinking.

[ChibiJosh]

ChibiJosh, the Royalty class starts with an MP regen ring. Otherwise you can take the telescope you get after saving Ostrava in 1-1 and trade it to a crow at the top of 4-1. Put it on the ground, the crow will like it, quit out and jump back in and the ring will be there.

Yeah, I know about the royalty class ring, I chose not to take it.

Since this crow is in 4-1, could I conceivably go to 4-1, get it and leave given that I haven't even beaten 1-1 yet?

[Saint Noir]

No. I wouldn't even try it. I'm not 100% on this crow location, but the guys in 4-1 will eat you alive if you havent even gotten past 1-1. You prolly need to level a bit first. I could be wrong...

[seanr1221]

The dragons are in my 1-1 and I have only killed demons.

Where do you see if you're white or black?

Also, sometimes I see white spirits of people running around. What are these? Just tutorial guides?

[io]

It's pretty nice. It has a lot of useful information and it is nice to have right there at your side. It gives you info on all the items, characters, etc. The guide part is pretty spot on too (I haven't really used this, but skimmed over one section to check it out). It feels fairly comprehensive, though there are plenty of questions you may have that aren't in there. Just the nature of this kind of game. It gives the locations of tons of stuff as well. It's a good sized guide.

OK, so I read through it after I played through 1-1 last night. I never saw this Ostravus dude or whatever he's called. Even though I've killed the 1-1 boss can I still go back and find him and save him? And where the hell is he? The guide is not at all clear on that since I've pretty much gone everywhere. I did stay away from what I guess was the dragon's roost because there was a warning saying to be soul level 30 first on the ground. I guess I shoudl have gone because apparently he might not have even been there. Dammit!

Also, I have a more immediate problem. After finishing 1-1 the candle maiden said I'm supposed to talk to the Elemental or something? I ran all over the Nexus - went upstairs, to the Pantheon, all over. I can't seem to find this person/thing at all and apparently I can't level up until I do so? I have 3000 souls saved that I don't want to lose by going back in somewhere. WTF!? Nothing at all about that in the guide either. It just says "talk to her" or something.

sean - I do know that the white sprites are other people playing the game currently! Kind of cool. I noticed that more often than not they take swipes at me as the run past ;).

Oh, and by the way, the boss in 1-1 was a piece of cake. I did die a few times on the way when I got the camera turned around and got cornered and couldn't get the soul arrow off. Maybe it was because I was the royalty class but I had no problems. And since you can go back to the Nexus at any time (assuming you can get back to a teleporter) with all your souls intact the game isn't NEARLY as hard as everyone made it out to be. And keep in mind I'm a crappy gamer especially with action/combo/fighting type games ;).

[ChibiJosh]

OK, so I read through it after I played through 1-1 last night. I never saw this Ostravus dude or whatever he's called. Even though I've killed the 1-1 boss can I still go back and find him and save him? And where the hell is he?

Well, you remember the area where those 4 or 5 boulders fall down after you (or before you if you attack the area before moving on)? After that there is an area where you go up some stairs, and there are two archer guys on two different levels. To the right of that area are some stairs going down. Follow that way to find him.

[Saint Noir]

Monumental is a kid with a candle in 3rd or so floor of nexus... blends in, just look for candle.

[seanr1221]

Ok, how do I level my guy up?

I finished 1-1, but the woman in black is saying something about the monumental.

[io]

Well, you remember the area where those 4 or 5 boulders fall down after you (or before you if you attack the area before moving on)? After that there is an area where you go up some stairs, and there are two archer guys on two different levels. To the right of that area are some stairs going down. Follow that way to find him.

I was there and I killed 5 grunt type dudes on a lower level and there were some more guys further down below but I couldn't figure out how to get to them - there was a wall there (and you can't jump). Hmmm... I had an idea that might be it though. I'll check it out. Will he still be there if I go back?

Monumental is a kid with a candle in 3rd or so floor of nexus... blends in, just look for candle.

Monumental - I knew I had the name wrong. Well, of course I ran all through that area. I thought those were dead bodies or statues or something. When the candle maiden "showed" me where to go via panning up there I thought she was showing me the HUGE statue with the sword. So I was trying to figure out how to get there and talk to that :bomb:.

Also, it's pretty funny too see all the bloodstains in the Nexus. I have a question though. While many are from people jumping off the stairs and killing themselves, I do click on the occasional one where someone seems to be in combat right in the middle area there in from of the blacksmith, etc. What's going on with that? I thought the Nexus was a "safe" area?

sean - I basically just asked the same thing. Read Saint Noir's spoiler.

[Saint Noir]

If you attack an NPC they will go buck wild on you... not recommended. You can win and I think it affects your tendency. But I wouldn't be messing with that just yet.

[seanr1221]

:oops: sorry I didnt read your whole post originally, IO

Ok, just a couple more questions. What is soul form exactly? I picked up a stone that resurrects you from soul form.

Also, how do you play with randoms?

[Saint Noir]

Soul form is you dead and not at full capacity. Stones can resurrect your body, I believe (aint tried it), or you can be resurrected when you kill a demon (or kill players as black phantom).

To play with others... if you have the blue eye stone and are alive you can summon people to you with it. If you are in spirit form you can write on the ground with the stone and other players can summon you to them. I believe this is how it works.

If you don't have blue eye stone yet, you'll get it soonish.

EDIT - If you want someone to play with and see a blue message on the ground, just click it and hit summon.

[io]

If you attack an NPC they will go buck wild on you... not recommended. You can win and I think it affects your tendency. But I wouldn't be messing with that just yet.

Ah, that might explain the battle bloodstains in the Nexus then. They do seem to die rather rapidly. I also saw one on the approach to the hidden merchant in 1-1. I didn't know it was a merchant but I saw a replay of some dude biting it pretty quickly so I went in really cautiously and all I saw was this gollum-looking guy just squatting there and staring at me. Luckily I didn't attack ;).

Man, I know this is a good game because I played till really late last night and could barely get to sleep even though I stopped at 4am and had dreams about the game. I even got up early wanting to play more (though I can't till tonight). I'm really anxious to get back to that Ostravus guy and see if he's still there. Apparently if he dies it cuts off a major sidequest.

[StillFree]

Also, it's pretty funny too see all the bloodstains in the Nexus. I have a question though. While many are from people jumping off the stairs and killing themselves, I do click on the occasional one where someone seems to be in combat right in the middle area there in from of the blacksmith, etc. What's going on with that? I thought the Nexus was a "safe" area?


You'll see a lot of suicide bloodstains in the nexus since dying in the nexus doesn't change your world tendency. It's just an easy way to go back to soul form without accumulating black world tendency.

The Nexus is a safe area, the person picked a fight with an npc and lost. :)

[ChibiJosh]

I'm really anxious to get back to that Ostravus guy and see if he's still there. Apparently if he dies it cuts off a major sidequest.

He's hiding up on a wall away from the enemies like a little girl, so he shouldn't have been killed.

[Zmonkay]

You'll see a lot of suicide bloodstains in the nexus since dying in the nexus doesn't change your world tendency. It's just an easy way to go back to soul form without accumulating black world tendency.

The Nexus is a safe area, the person picked a fight with an npc and lost. :)

Premptive question(s). I don't have the game yet (waiting for it from Amazon) but I was wondering:
Is there an advantage to being in soul form? I know you tend to spend a lot of time in soul form, but I thought that you were weaker in soul form? Do you not lose your soles u are carying in soul form when you die in soul form? Also, don't you need to go back and retrieve your body to get your souls if you die, and if so, then what benefit would dying in the nexus, safe zone or not, have?

[Saint Noir]

There are slight differences. You still lose souls when you die in soul form (but as always can regain them by making i to your bloodstain without dying). You do not effect world tendency when you die in soul form (but do if you really die). It also changes the multiplayer aspect a bit. You do have less health in soul form... lots of different things.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

He's hiding up on a wall away from the enemies like a little girl, so he shouldn't have been killed.

If you're talking bout that big dude in armor that's 'hiding' on that one wall, I think he's actually chained up on that wall. He thanks you for saving him or something or at least he did in the import version.

I just let him roll through all the enemies in front of us once I freed him. He kicks some serious ass. Of course, if he dies you get the Mausoleum Key from his corpse.:D I stabbed him in the back accidentally the first time I played the game.

[seanr1221]

Now that I've finished 1-2, where should I go next?

I read world 4 is good.

[StillFree]

Now that I've finished 1-2, where should I go next?

I read world 4 is good.

There is a good grinding spot at the beginning of 4-2.