Demon's Souls - Atlus & From Software's Action RPG - October 6

[seanr1221]

Cool, thanks.

I farmed weapon upgrades at the beginning of 1-2, so soul grinding would be nice.

[Zmonkay]

There are slight differences. You still lose souls when you die in soul form (but as always can regain them by making i to your bloodstain without dying). You do not effect world tendency when you die in soul form (but do if you really die). It also changes the multiplayer aspect a bit. You do have less health in soul form... lots of different things.

Thanks alot, didn't realize there were such differences between soul and live forms, I thought it was just the health penalty. Man I cannot wait for this game

[Saint Noir]

World Tendency question... I may have overlooked this. So to improve tendency, what can you do? I know it says you can gain points by killing big demons and black phantoms who invade your game... any other tips? Once you beat the bosses, is there any way to up the tendency (sans getting invaded)?

EDIT - I beat all of 2 after 1-2... messing around in 1-3 at the moment. I went to 4-1 for a little bit and got a few items I needed to use my evacuate miracle.

[Snake2715]

how are you guys labeling them 1-2 and such? Am I missing something that says that?

[camoor]

Game looks cool, but noway am I touching a game that is this high in frustration.

[ChibiJosh]

Some advice for character build? I'm playing a mage, and I've obviously put most of my points into magic and intelligence plus a couple into vitality. I haven't really found any armor or weapons that I can equip aside from what I started out with, so should I put some points into strength and such?

[Saint Noir]

how are you guys labeling them 1-2 and such? Am I missing something that says that?

If you look at your tendency map... Palace 1. Stonefang 2. Latria 3. Storms 4. Valley 5. I said it wrong before.. Just for our sakes... doesn't actually say that.

[seanr1221]

I'm sure I'm missing something obvious, but how do you use magic and miracles?

I have them memorized already.

[Snake2715]

so the palace is 1-1?

i have wasted too much time on the red eye knight here in the palace... short of cheating and trying to get him to fall off a ledge..

[ChibiJosh]

I'm sure I'm missing something obvious, but how do you use magic and miracles?

I have them memorized already.

You hit right on the d-pad to switch to your catalyst/tailsman.

so the palace is 1-1?

Yes

[Saint Noir]

so the palace is 1-1?

Whoops... yeah... Palace 1. Stonefang 2. Latria 3. Storms 4. Valley 5. I said it wrong above.

And for spells and such... you need a catalyst (wand) to cast magic and a talisman to do miracles, I messed up and tried doing miracles with my catalyst. That's a no go.

[Snake2715]

So is everyone going crazy on leveling up or saving it for items etc?

[Saint Noir]

I'm spending mostly on levels. I get a few items. I've found most of my good ones... haven't started upgrading to awesome just yet either. I definitely spend my souls when I got 'em... better than losing them for good.

[io]

Game looks cool, but noway am I touching a game that is this high in frustration.

You know, for all I read on here before I got the game about how "hardcore" it was it didn't turn out to be nearly that bad. There are three key things that I didn't hear much about that make it not nearly as bad as it sounds:

1) When you die you do keep all your items. I do believe I had heard this one at least before. But I didn't realize how important that was till I played. You get a lot of healing items and you can keep those once you die and restart the level.

2) Passageways and events you trigger STAY that way when you go back. This is a big one I didn't hear about before (or didn't notice). But for example, on 1-1 you go through all the work of opening this big door to the boss and even if you die on the boss you can just restart, fight a few easy guys on the way to the door, and go right in. You do NOT have to repeat all the actions you took on the level. So all this "restarting the level" nonsense was a bit overblown.

3) You can retreat out of the level and go back to the Nexus and spend you souls on items, upgrades, levels, magic, etc and then jump back in. So any time you feel you scored a lot of souls you can generally just back up and get back out.

Granted, I've only plaed 1-1 so far so some of these things (in particular, backing out of a level) might be more difficult later on. But I found dying not really to be that big of a deal in that first level and I'm susprised so many people had so much trouble with that level. Like I said before I'm by no means the best action gamer and I had very little trouble. I did play as the Royalty class though and the ease with whcih you can pick off low-level enemies with soul arrow cannot be overstated ;). Of course, even with my weak-ass rapier and buckler I can hack most of them too so I'd think a stronger warrior type wouldn't be that hard either.

[ChibiJosh]

So, how does saving work on this game? If I tried to get the ring from 4-1 and die, will it save that I died or does it only save when you go out to the nexus?

[io]

Yeah, I haven't figured that out yet either.

So it seems like now that I'm back in body form I need to commit suicide in the Nexus if I want the pure white tendency to remain, correct? I guess I'll do that when I start back up in a few minutes. Now I see why there are so many people doing that ;).

[Saint Noir]

It auto saves on levels... if you are in the middle of a dungeon... and need to quit, go to quit and hit that (IN GAME, not on the XMB). It will save. When you start back up you are back in the middle of the dungeon with all enemies still dead (enemies reset if you die or leave a dungeon to go to Nexus, not leave in real life for a nap). It also saves on its own fairly often, be it in Nexus or a level. It will save that you died. It saves after every death and lots in between.

Yeah, if you are worried about tendency, prolly best to stay in soul form (per suicide in the Nexus). I know it will take me a handful of plays of the whole game to get all the stuff done (due to tendency and the good/bad stuff).

EDIT - The guide tells how to turn it to pure black and then to pure white. It does require some stones, but seems very doable. I will make sure on my next plays to due this. That's why I am saving all my ephemeral stones.

[TruthinessFC]

The white ghosts of other players and bloodstains are fucking awesome features. I kinda wish I could see what was killing players in certain areas, though.

Any tips for killing those Red Eye Knights in 1-1? I'm up on top of some wall where there are a bunch of siege weapons set up. As far as I can tell I have two paths to take at the moment, each leading to what looks like one of these knights. Both killed me so I'm putting the game down till tomorrow. Haven't played a whole lot so far.

Also, apparently it's possible to dual wield shields. Would love to see how far someone can get with that strategy. :lol:http://i33.tinypic.com/2111nbp.jpg

BTW, how many of you went down past where the blacksmith is in the Nexus and read all of the hint messages on the floor? In the Asian version, there were literally like 100-150 messages just down the hall from where the blacksmith is. Some were good and very informative, while others were just more of the 'harsh, evaluate me' ones.
I went there tonight and I'd guess I saw 20 or fewer messages, but almost all of them were pretty helpful.

[enufs8d]

Yeah, I haven't figured that out yet either.

So it seems like now that I'm back in body form I need to commit suicide in the Nexus if I want the pure white tendency to remain, correct? I guess I'll do that when I start back up in a few minutes. Now I see why there are so many people doing that ;).

why do you want pure white in the nexus?

[gunm]

He's referring to character tendency, not world tendency.

[fizzywix]

Pretty sure reading this thread has made me decide to go out and buy this tomorrow so I can play it, now.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

The white ghosts of other players and bloodstains are fucking awesome features. I kinda wish I could see what was killing players in certain areas, though.

Any tips for killing those Red Eye Knights in 1-1? I'm up on top of some wall where there are a bunch of siege weapons set up. As far as I can tell I have two paths to take at the moment, each leading to what looks like one of these knights. Both killed me so I'm putting the game down till tomorrow. Haven't played a whole lot so far.

Also, apparently it's possible to dual wield shields. Would love to see how far someone can get with that strategy. :lol:http://i33.tinypic.com/2111nbp.jpg


I went there tonight and I'd guess I saw 20 or fewer messages, but almost all of them were pretty helpful.

Do you have some sort of a projectile weapon(bow and arrows, Soul Arrow), Truthiness? If you do, you can 'lock on' by pressing the right stick down from a distance and just peg those red eye knights with a couple Soul Arrows or whatever.

However, whatever you do, DON'T try and take on the third red eye knight which is on another walkway on the same level as those two. He's a tough one and seems able to block everything you can throw at him.

He's on a walkway that's through a doorway through one of the rooms at either end of the area with the two current red eye knights.

[io]

Finished up my session. I defeated the red dragon in 1-2. While it wasn't all that difficult once I knew what to do, it definitely requires some sort of guide to get there. Not only do you need to obtain a bow somehow, which are not for sale at that point, but you have to know where to station yourself (which is not all that tricky). But more importantly you have to know how many shots it takes (nearly 100 - and arrows aren't cheap and you could waste a lot of time by coming without enough of them) and how to tell you are even hurting it. It is really really hard to see that health bar that appears for a split second when you hit it and nearly impossible to see if it is down or not. Occasionally - like every 20 shots or so I would see a glimpse of the red part and see that it was getting smaller and just when I was about to give up (and run out of arrows) I killed it :lol:. Nice reward of 7000 souls though. And now I can go back and get the treasures from it's roost which I missed out on last night when I played and the dragon wasn't around but I passed on going there because of a warning on the ground.

And from my understanding that is just a "mini-boss" for that level. I still have to fight something else!

IATCG - there's only one red eye knight in that whole section (1-1) as far as I know (and the guides indicate). The others are blue-eyes which are much easier to kill. As for the one (I'm talking about the one guarding a locked door), instead of going with the whole lure him a mile away to a tower so he can fall trick, which seems time consuming and frought with danger, I just blasted him with soul arrows. You can do that pretty easily once you get the Thief's ring.

I did go back and save Ostravus. It was a bit strange because the guide I read (forget if it was the official one or a FAQ I was reading) said he might get attacked by a blue-eye knight and that you should escort him out of the area afterwards. I found this very odd because when I got to him he was standing on a wall (not chained) and waving his sword around. He continued to do so even after I killed everybody and talked to him and got his reward. He showed up in 1-2 as expected when I went there though. He never moved in 1-1 though and was never near any enemies. That whole encounter sounds a bit glitchy. Does he go down below where all the enemies are usually?

[coolz481]

Is the guide packaged in the deluxe edition useful or not? I don't mind paying extra, but only if it's worth it - it seems like a lot of this game is trial-and-error.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

IATCG - there's only one red eye knight in that whole section (1-1) as far as I know (and the guides indicate). The others are blue-eyes which are much easier to kill. As for the one (I'm talking about the one guarding a locked door), instead of going with the whole lure him a mile away to a tower so he can fall trick, which seems time consuming and frought with danger, I just blasted him with soul arrows. You can do that pretty easily once you get the Thief's ring.

I did go back and save Ostravus. It was a bit strange because the guide I read (forget if it was the official one or a FAQ I was reading) said he might get attacked by a blue-eye knight and that you should escort him out of the area afterwards. I found this very odd because when I got to him he was standing on a wall (not chained) and waving his sword around. He continued to do so even after I killed everybody and talked to him and got his reward. He showed up in 1-2 as expected when I went there though. He never moved in 1-1 though and was never near any enemies. That whole encounter sounds a bit glitchy. Does he go down below where all the enemies are usually?

Interesting. I have a Thief's ring(and now I have a 'ring of Herculean Strength' or something to that effect. I'll have to see how the boss battle plays out when I have the Herculean and Thief rings on.:D

As for the red eyed knight, I killed him once, but then I got killed myself and had to do that battle over. :cry: Needless to say, I got killed the second time around.:roll:

[SnoT]

Is the guide packaged in the deluxe edition useful or not? I don't mind paying extra, but only if it's worth it - it seems like a lot of this game is trial-and-error.

I'm wondering the same thing. Although it's $10 extra for the Deluxe Edition but still... That's $10 I could be using on something else :p

[SnoT]

Found this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rhlr1tAqljk

When I go get my copy today I think I'm gonna switch from the Deluxe to the regular. My buddy works at my local gamestop so he still have the artbook set aside for me. The guide doesn't seem that great so I'll save the extra $10.

[Count]

Ahhh the infamous "Atlus" unboxing video. This guy is great~

[Snake2715]

Interesting. I have a Thief's ring(and now I have a 'ring of Herculean Strength' or something to that effect. I'll have to see how the boss battle plays out when I have the Herculean and Thief rings on.:D

As for the red eyed knight, I killed him once, but then I got killed myself and had to do that battle over. :cry: Needless to say, I got killed the second time around.:roll:

I literally probably spent 2 hours or more going after that red knight. I tried twice to get him to fall, and that didnt work.

I almost beat him a few times, but he would wack me and I would not be able to recover quick enough...

I beat the boss last night about midnight and left there with close to 10,000 souls... not too bad. I also have about 6 soldier souls and those are worth anywhere from 400- 2000 if I am reading it right. I have a few of each... I am probably close to the 20,000 soul mark on just level 1.. I did waste some time... but I found some cool stuff too. I got the burned victims treasure, rings, sheilds, etc, also followed the lower ledge there where this red dragon is supposed to be, and found another piece. Also on the top by the seige stuff there is an area you can drop over and get a crossbow, that can come in handy.


Anyone know when you start in level 1-1 near the end of that bridge as you are about to clim the first set of stairs there are some corpses and some items on them... yet I cannot get over there. The door is locked and its below me. I have been through that level probably 15+ times and cannot find a way down... Maybe it opens later. maybe its world tendancy.


What characters are you guys running with?

I am a hunter and have been pretty happy so far. He starts with a bow and an axe.

[nightmare452]

Decided to keep this game from my Gamefly rental for $47. Very hard and frustrating at the beginning, but once I selected a better character (Royal) and knew more then half the 1st level, this game shines in how good it is and from all the crazy stuff and enemies I have heard, it seems like a good value for the whole game. Now just grinding until I can level up some and go to 4-1 so I can get the Talisman of God and use my Heal miracle spell.

I so wish I had the Guide from the deluxe version, I would have bought it at a store. (haven't bought a guide since Halo 2 launch night cause of hype to buy everything Halo related at my local midnight launch)

[Jodou]

Also, I have a more immediate problem. After finishing 1-1 the candle maiden said I'm supposed to talk to the Elemental or something? I ran all over the Nexus - went upstairs, to the Pantheon, all over. I can't seem to find this person/thing at all and apparently I can't level up until I do so? I have 3000 souls saved that I don't want to lose by going back in somewhere. WTF!? Nothing at all about that in the guide either. It just says "talk to her" or something.
I had the exact same problem and it doesn't help that it's called 'The Monumental' when there's a giant fucking statue in the middle of the room. That's not actually it, as I'm sure you figured out but you can find him on the third floor after taking a left on the balcony. It's the thing with a lit candle in front of it.

[Jodou]

Ah, that might explain the battle bloodstains in the Nexus then. They do seem to die rather rapidly. I also saw one on the approach to the hidden merchant in 1-1. I didn't know it was a merchant but I saw a replay of some dude biting it pretty quickly so I went in really cautiously and all I saw was this gollum-looking guy just squatting there and staring at me. Luckily I didn't attack ;).

Man, I know this is a good game because I played till really late last night and could barely get to sleep even though I stopped at 4am and had dreams about the game. I even got up early wanting to play more (though I can't till tonight). I'm really anxious to get back to that Ostravus guy and see if he's still there. Apparently if he dies it cuts off a major sidequest.
Yeah, be careful with the merchants. I just rescued a guy (Freke) last night and while searching for him in the Nexus I actually fell on top of him. For a moment I was like 'SHIT!' but luckily he was just mildly miffed. Guess you have to full out smack them to start a fight. Just remember, you can't reload so if you kill a guy, they're dead for the rest of the current game.

As for Ostravus you will keep running into him throughout level 1 and each time he gives you a reward for saving him. I've not done 1-4 yet, so I'm not sure how this will all play out.

[Jodou]

Now that I've finished 1-2, where should I go next?

I read world 4 is good.
I just went 1-1, 1-2, 2-1, 2-2, 2-3, 1-3, 3-1, 3-2 so far. You can really attempt them in any order, but it's been nice for me to be able to roll through stages one and two of each new level since I'm soul level 40+ now.

[Jodou]

So is everyone going crazy on leveling up or saving it for items etc?
Don't buy any items, you can farm everything yourself. Use souls in this order: repair equipment, upgrade equipment/spells/miracles you want, level up primary stats. I wouldn't waste stats on luck personally, since most of the best gear comes from quests/guaranteed drops.

[Jodou]

You know, for all I read on here before I got the game about how "hardcore" it was it didn't turn out to be nearly that bad.
Some levels will still require a lot of backtracking to get to the boss (2-2 comes to mind) and it's rather shocking how big of a difference the difficulty of bosses are. Some of them you just blow past on your first try and are idiot proof. Then you suddenly hit a roadblock of a boss (again 2-2) that can kill you easily.

I'm actually stuck on 3-2 right now because the fight is incredibly cheesy. Anytime I'm given no chance to recover and keep getting hit while I'm down is bullshit. It's the first fight I'm really not enjoying because it really comes down to luck on where the boss decides to position itself. In fact, I've actually come so close to beating it twice now only to get robbed by uncontrollable events that I hate the designer who came up with it. The boss isn't even that hard and it's not like the strategy I'm using doesn't work great, but it's just too easy to get a cheesed death.

[Jodou]

OK, need some advice from a veteran.

I want the Large Sword of Moonlight, but it's in 5-2 from what I hear. Is this something I should pursue now that I'm SL 40+? I have 24 faith, but I've never used a very large sword yet and I'm hesitant about using it over sword 'n board for boss fights. I'm a temple knight and haven't touched my strength stat since it will have no effect on said sword, but should I level it up some to use bigger shields? I'm still using the Heater +7 for now and it bests any shield I could use until around 22 strength.

Lastly, is this sword a guaranteed drop from the slug pile? I already fucked up Keel Smasher by drawing it early, so I do not want to miss out on this amazing sword, especially since I'm going to do some PvP later.

[Saint Noir]

Deluxe Edition guide is actually pretty great. I find myself looking through it more and more. I would recommend it, if you can afford it. Also, the box itself is fairly nice and not just a thin slip sleeve (thicker cardboard).

Anytime you "save" Ostravus he should walk around on his own and pick fights if he sees anyone around. He can handle little guys no problem, bigger ones, who knows. I never babysat him though and he was fine.

The Herculean ring adds to your equipment or item burden... it won't give you extra power to kill a boss.

The gate on 1-1 right at the start is open in really good or bad WT. It hasn't been open for me, except for maybe my first time through, when I didn't know to look down there.

Boss wise... 1-1, 2-1, and 2-2 (gotta be quick) were fairly easy for my character. I died a handful of times on 1-2 (first strategy seemed to be prop his shield up with my face). 1-3 was also a cake walk so long as you free Biorr OF THE TWIN FANGS! Sorry.. I probably died the most so far on the archdemon god dragon, which is lame as he isn't that hard. .

[blissskr]

I'll second on the guide being worth the extra money. Its very well put together and it doesn't give away too much but it helps with alot of stuff you'd miss otherwise.

[FrankySox]

Pretty sure reading this thread has made me decide to go out and buy this tomorrow so I can play it, now.

Yeah me too! I ordered mine last night, should be here by Tuesday. I can't wait to share stories in here and play this damned game.

[Snake2715]

Thanks saint Noir.

Taking off this weekend and thats a bummer. I probably wont get anytime in till next week.. Itching to play the game, it was hard to come to work today, since I knew I would be wrapped up for the next 4 days... but then reality set in and I have responsibilities. Sucks too.

[Saint Noir]

INVADED

Well, I decided to go gather some items in level 4 as I wasn't strong enough/didn't have the right equipment for where I want to go. So, I jump in, and right at the gate/archstone I get invaded. Nowhere to hide...

Panicked... didn't think I had time to work through the blue stone to call help. Enemies all over as I had only just entered... my guy is built to fight enemies. I am not super slow, but do carry a nice shield. I am heavy on magic, but can do massive damage with my stabbing sword.

The PVP was shieldless. Going for speed. Had his stabbing sword held in both hands. I was able to handle this no problem. My magic wouldn't get him (too quick), but I could block and counter attack. It looked like it would be a long fight.

Then he busted out some big spear or something... that set me on fire (my sword does the same). He was quick and his spear thing broke my stamina and left me open constantly. I was getting reamed.

With almost no chance at this point I ran into a group of enemies and let them deliver the final blow. I was not giving him the kill. Don't know how this effects his attempt etc...

Oh well. In short... get invaded... call for back up and go light for speed... and hope you aren't at the entrance.

EDIT - and in my panic forgot to even try to parry with my shield... that would have been good... DOH! Now I know... and knowing is half the battle.

[Snake2715]

Wow,

Interesting. Man I wish I was at home.

[gunm]

This thread has been very helpful. Hoping my copy comes in today so I can play over the long weekend.

[fizzywix]

Just picked this up from Fry's. They were all out of Deluxe editions, but had plenty of regular editions w/ artbooks and soundtrack for 49.99. Really excited to start playing

[lokizz]

saw the review on ign this game sounds damn interesting and i like that its challegning most games nowdays do feel too easy so this may be something worth getting. how long is the game?

[KongaKing]

This game sounds interesting to me. How fast do you think this will drop in price? I was thinking of picking it up this weekend, but on tuesday Uncharted 2, Brutal Legend and a boy and his blob all come out, so this game might not get any real play time for a month or so. Think it would drop in price by mid nov?

[gunm]

There's no way to tell when this game will drop in price. It seems to be doing well on word of mouth alone. If you don't need the deluxe edition, I'm sure you can wait it out.

[Saint Noir]

Maybe see something on Amazon around Black Friday as far as a decrease. Being in decent demand and being an Atlus title, I wouldn't expect any official drop for a long, long time. As ludicrous as it may sound I got this and have Brutal Legend preordered. It's Uncharted 2 that is going to have to wait for me. Also, this and Brutal are games I feel NEED my support. Uncharted 2 will be a smash right away.

As far as length... prolly looking at 40-80 hours for your first play... impossible to say as so much depends on your play style. To "do everything" requires multiple plays, but they are shorter the next time as you have your equipment and things. I'd say the game is easily a 100+ hour game and could go on as long as you enjoy it (+ games go on forever, I think. Beat it once a +1 game where enemies are a little tougher, twice +2 etc.)

[SynGamer]

I want (need?) this game but don' have the funds right now. Is there anyway to block this thread, I just can't stop myself from viewing it everytime there's a new post.

[io]

I want (need?) this game but don' have the funds right now. Is there anyway to block this thread, I just can't stop myself from viewing it everytime there's a new post.

No, but I could temp ban you so you won't be tempted until you get the funds. How long should I put you down for? ;)

[SynGamer]

No, but I could temp ban you so you won't be tempted until you get the funds. How long should I put you down for? ;)

Oh, you clever. As soon as GS has a B2G1 sale ;)

[gunm]

Sweet, the game just arrived! Gonna read up on it some more before trying it out this weekend.

And yah, I took a whiff of it. Ahhhh.....

[MiniB0ssBattle]

Just beat the game at level 78. I didn't know that I was at the end and I wish I bought all the spells and miracles before I moved to new game +. I think I am going to play it again!.

[jrsmaster411]

I had the weirdest thing happen to me. I laid down my blue stone thing to let anyone summon me into their game. As soon as I got into another persons game I watched a cut scene of a devil type character who put a really odd looking tornado helmet on my guy and then I was dropped into a small room as a black phantom with the weird helmet and tons of chairs in the room. I was the only one their and the only door in the room had fog I couldn't get past so I just walked around breaking chairs and eventually it told me the target had been killed and I was teleported back to my world back alive and got to keep the weird helmet. I still have no idea what happened.

[blissskr]

Thats the end of world 3 where the demon old monk summons another player to fight for him as a black phantom. If the black phantom octupus guys kill the other player before he gets to you, you win thats what happened there lol.

[ChibiJosh]

I got my Fragrant Ring from 4-1! The enemies are surprisingly easy in 4-1. I've only beat 1-1 at this point, and I'm killing all the enemies (aside from the dual welding skeleton) 2 hits with Soul Arrow. The guide that I was looking at recommended not trying to attack said dual welder until level 60, but I beat it just find at level 14. Just had to keep my distance and hit it with like 6 soul arrows.

[jrsmaster411]

Thats the end of world 3 where the demon old monk summons another player to fight for him as a black phantom. If the black phantom octupus guys kill the other player before he gets to you, you win thats what happened there lol.
So is that item I got rare? the stats seem really low

[Saint Noir]

I got my Fragrant Ring from 4-1! The enemies are surprisingly easy in 4-1. I've only beat 1-1 at this point, and I'm killing all the enemies (aside from the dual welding skeleton) 2 hits with Soul Arrow. The guide that I was looking at recommended not trying to attack said dual welder until level 60, but I beat it just find at level 14. Just had to keep my distance and hit it with like 6 soul arrows.

What character did you start out with again? That is cool. The enemies in 4 aren't too tough as long as you are a bit mobile. I never had any problems except on this little stretch where it is very narrow and my camera was being a little crazy targeting the flying ray things and there was also a ground enemy moving in on my tiny ledge. The boss is even pretty easy in 4-1. Before the 4-1 boss you can pick up some mega nice rings throughout the level. :drool:

EDIT - I've been trying to farm some dragonstone which sucks cause the enemy that drops it on 2-2 is a real pain. Not too dangerous, just a tank. Think I need to find it's weakness....

[ChibiJosh]

Magician. I was a little too afraid to try to get all the way to the boss.

I got to the boss on 1-2, killed me right quick. I started messing around on 2-1, the magic users get me a lot there.

Also, does armor (excluding shields) have stat reqs? I was looking at the wiki and strategy guide and neither mention stat reqs for any armor other than shields.

[Saint Noir]

I dunno about an outright stat requirement, but it will effect your equipment burden. You can't go over that. Also, the lighter your armor in relation to your overall equipment burden, the quicker you will be. I think it is less than 50% of your equipment burden is super fast and it will decrease the more you weigh it down. For example, I put on some armor and was super slow til I stated up to be able to use it properly... by getting my equipment burden up.

So it is stat related in a round about way.

[Zmonkay]

So I'm already addicted to this... but I HATE that you can't pause it. I had to stop to eat, then again a while later when a friend stopped by, and the whole time I hid my character in a corner and was scared to death that when I came back he'd be dead (I'd have gone back to the nexus, but I was trying to get back to the souls at my bloodstain).

Also, when is it safe to turn off the game? Any time since it autosaves? If I am in level 1-2, have died, and am partway through the level heading back to my bloodstain, if I turn it off will I start reasonably close to where I was and still be able to get back to my bloodstain?

[gunm]

So I'm already addicted to this... but I HATE that you can't pause it. I had to stop to eat, then again a while later when a friend stopped by, and the whole time I hid my character in a corner and was scared to death that when I came back he'd be dead (I'd have gone back to the nexus, but I was trying to get back to the souls at my bloodstain).

Also, when is it safe to turn off the game? Any time since it autosaves? If I am in level 1-2, have died, and am partway through the level heading back to my bloodstain, if I turn it off will I start reasonably close to where I was and still be able to get back to my bloodstain?


A page or two ago:

It auto saves on levels... if you are in the middle of a dungeon... and need to quit, go to quit and hit that (IN GAME, not on the XMB). It will save. When you start back up you are back in the middle of the dungeon with all enemies still dead (enemies reset if you die or leave a dungeon to go to Nexus, not leave in real life for a nap). It also saves on its own fairly often, be it in Nexus or a level. It will save that you died. It saves after every death and lots in between.

[Snake2715]

Where do I get spells or miracles at guys?

[Saint Noir]

Know where the blacksmith is in the nexus? Miracles are at a guy in the room behind the blacksmith. He is low level seller and you can't get the big ones until later (I'm not there either).

Spells come from a few places, but right off the low level seller is in the room on the opposite side of the miracle seller. So facing blacksmith... room to right is miracles and room to left is spells. There are no doors, just walk through the opening to the next little place and look for NPCs to talk to.

[blissskr]

So is that item I got rare? the stats seem really low
It raises magical attack but lowers magical defense, Im not sure on rarity as someone would have to be summoned there to get it. I have one not sure how many people get summoned there though.

[DrFoo]

Alright bought the game at full price and don't regret it at all. So damn addicting. The first level isn't really all that hard. Also my messages will warn you if stairs are approaching.

[ChibiJosh]

I beat 1-2 and 2-1 tonight. Both bosses turned out to be really easy. I sat in one place spamming soul arrow and had no chance of dying unless I really screwed up. I was actually already in body form when I beat the spider.
Now, I'm not sure what to go on to next.

[io]

Hey, tonight I also beat 1-2 and then went through 2-1 but stopped just short of the spider. I wonder if we ran into each other :lol:. It was getting late and wanted to save it for tomorrow so my son could watch. So soul arrow works there as well? I did have to do some well-timed dodging on 1-2, but it was pretty easy.

First, though, I tried 4-1 and had a bit of trouble there. Eventually I figured out how to kill the silver skeletons though the first one annihilated me. I didn't go all the way up to get the cool bow though - could use it since I'm going through a lot of arrows with that short bow.

I've also nailed two crystal geckos with soul arrow and it wasn't as hard as it was made out to be (though I missed another in the tower near 1-2 - the online guide didn't mention it). Thief's ring is key of course.

[ChibiJosh]

Hey, tonight I also beat 1-2 and then went through 2-1 but stopped just short of the spider. I wonder if we ran into each other :lol:. It was getting late and wanted to save it for tomorrow so my son could watch. So soul arrow works there as well.

Just make sure to not leave the passage you first enter in and have the thief's ring equipped. The spider won't know where you are and you can hit it with projectiles until it's dead. You'll probably get hit once in awhile through bad luck, but it isn't too bad.

[seanr1221]

Where's the crow at in 4-1?

I want to get the MP regeneration ring before I tackle 2-1

[enufs8d]

top of the tower.. the one near where a red eyes guards the falchion +1 (left)

how do you trade with the harpee/crow? i left shiny's by dropping them. but i dont know what to do next.

[seanr1221]

Oh ok, I know where that is. Thanks. As long as I don't have to fight the red guy, I should be fine.

I was reading you can save Ostrata in all the first world levels. I never saw him in 1-2. Does anyone know if that means he's gone from that level for good now? If so, I'll have to kill him in 1-3 :)

[theblizzman]

top of the tower.. the one near where a red eyes guards the falchion +1 (left)

how do you trade with the harpee/crow? i left shiny's by dropping them. but i dont know what to do next.

I played on the import version of the game, but I think it would be the same on the US version. This took me forever to figure this out. You need to drop the item (crow will say something like shiny...sparkly..) you then go and load your game and when it re-loads you will be in the exact same sopt and the new item will be there to pick up.

[theblizzman]

I imported he asian version back in February. If they come out with DLC in the US will it be compatable?

[camoor]

Good to see an Atlus game getting so much love. Hopefully they sell alot of copies.

[seanr1221]

I don't think DLC would work on the Asian version, but I'm not 100% sure.

[Zmonkay]

Thanks gunm. Two other questions (sorry if they've been asked, but I'm trying not to click other people's spoiler tags):
1. Is there any other way (other than items) to recover MP other than the Fragrant Ring? I want to equip the Theif's Ring, and of course the one that extends ur life meter in soul form, but then I find myself running out of MP, and the Fragrant Ring refills it slow as hell anyway. Royals start with the Fragrant ring, but idk how other magic classes handle their MP. Or should I just farm souls for a while and stock up on MP items. I've got tons of HP items, but enemies haven't dropped any MP ones (I've only played 1-1 though)

2. In 1-1, Ostrava, I think. The guy u were supposed to rescue died. I picked up the mausoleum key though (luckily found it randomly). Is there any other benefit to running into him later, or is it mostly to get that item?

[seanr1221]

To answer your second question, I think if you kill him, the tendancy goes black. Save him it's white.

[AdvOfJet]

Is there any benefit to holding on to old items or junk armor that is picked up rather than just throwing them out? Things like the slave sheidls and such from the first level.

As far as I know you can't sell anything so not sure if there is anything else that can be done with them.

[rgd2blck]

Thanks gunm. Two other questions (sorry if they've been asked, but I'm trying not to click other people's spoiler tags):
1. Is there any other way (other than items) to recover MP other than the Fragrant Ring? I want to equip the Theif's Ring, and of course the one that extends ur life meter in soul form, but then I find myself running out of MP, and the Fragrant Ring refills it slow as hell anyway. Royals start with the Fragrant ring, but idk how other magic classes handle their MP. Or should I just farm souls for a while and stock up on MP items. I've got tons of HP items, but enemies haven't dropped any MP ones (I've only played 1-1 though)

2. In 1-1, Ostrava, I think. The guy u were supposed to rescue died. I picked up the mausoleum key though (luckily found it randomly). Is there any other benefit to running into him later, or is it mostly to get that item?

The Fragrant Ring is helpful in 1-1 but is less helpful as you progress. There are other MP regen equipment items, but the best is to just eat the MP regen herbs. There is a level (can't remember right now) with a vendor selling cheap herbs if you don't want to farm them. After 1-1 you find MP herbs more often.

And for your second question, if he is left alive then he appears in the next few levels. But some people prefer doing what you did in order to get the item you got sooner than later.

[rgd2blck]

Is there any benefit to holding on to old items or junk armor that is picked up rather than just throwing them out? Things like the slave sheidls and such from the first level.

As far as I know you can't sell anything so not sure if there is anything else that can be done with them.

Some items you find you can trade for other items. The hairpin in 1-1 comes to mind. If in doubt, look it up to see if it has any trade value.

[BlueScrote]

Started playing this last night. I love the feel of the combat.

Died a bunch of times in 1-1 because of first, jumping into a hole I wasn't supposed to, then a bunch of deaths due to the Red Eyes Knight. I wasn't able to get the "make him fall to his death" trick to work, any pointers?

[ChernobylCow]

Playing cautiously I managed to beat 1-1 without dying. I found the boss fight to be really rewarding. I was using the shield/halberd character, knights templar?

Anyhow, melee combat puts your gaming skills to the test:
a) Gotta know how to circle strafe
b) Patience, sometimes you just have to fight a battle of endurance & attrition

I like how it's not like a Ninja Gaiden where you have to memorize whacky combos etc. Everything performs pretty naturally. Except that your character won't really stab upwards if the enemy is on the stairs ahead which is slightly wonky.

The game sort of reminds me of Gothic for the PC (except that it plays infinitely better) in that whatever lurks around the corner might totally stab, you flail you, scare you off a cliff, or blow. you. up.

Looking around for general information about understanding the game better I came across this wiki/faq: http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/faqs

It's good for basic questions like, "Uh, I beat 1-1...now what?"

[Zmonkay]

Thanks seanr1221 and rgd2blck! I actually didn't "kill him", I sorta wandered away, and a blue eye knight killed him, lol. I just happened to be lucky enough to stumble upon the item drop (looking online, I see that a lot of people miss it because if he dies and you exit the level, the item disappears for that playthrough). At work now, wishing I could be playing this...

[seanr1221]

So where do I find Ostrava in 1-2? I finished the level but never saw him.

I really hope he didnt get killed and I missed on the key :[

[ChibiJosh]

So where do I find Ostrava in 1-2? I finished the level but never saw him.

I really hope he didnt get killed and I missed on the key :[

If you went back to 1-1 after saving him, he respawns which means he fought all the enemies around and was probably killed. That's what happened to me, and I think the key disappears if you leave 1-1 after he gets killed.

[fizzywix]

Started playing this last night. I love the feel of the combat.

Died a bunch of times in 1-1 because of first, jumping into a hole I wasn't supposed to, then a bunch of deaths due to the Red Eyes Knight. I wasn't able to get the "make him fall to his death" trick to work, any pointers?


Love this game, spent every free second playing yesterday :P

I fell down the same hole :rofl:
As for the red eye knight (as long as I'm thinking of the right guy with the spear), all I did was shoot him with an arrow, parry/riposte his first attack, then melee the last sliver of health and he was dead in seconds

[io]

So where do I find Ostrava in 1-2? I finished the level but never saw him.

I really hope he didnt get killed and I missed on the key :[

Again, I'm gonna ask how it is even possible for him to get killed in 1-1? He is up on a wall and doesn't move and the enemies are down below. At least that's how it happened with me. Even after I rescued him he didn't move.

But to answer your question about 1-2, he's down to the left as you first enter the level (with the mini-phalanx thingies). He's behind a gate and I guess you can resdue him from the other side. I didn't head down there yet because the guide warned me not to or he might get killed. You get to it from tunnels under the towers (by going the other way from where the merchant is). But now that I've cleared 1-2, I guess I can go save him now.

[Saint Noir]

Yeah, the fragrant ring turns out to be pretty worthless once you get to a higher level. MP just regenerate way too slowly. The ring that regens health seems to work a lot faster (and I have a ton more HP, go figure). Guess I need to upgrade a crescent weapon. It will stack with fragrant ring and make my MP regen sing.

I spent a lot of time farming for Dragonstone last night... ended up getting the Flamemaster's Trophy. One upgrade away from trophy of Sharpness. Really need to look into upgrading a bow and crescent weapon though. That would do better for my character.

Down where Ostrava is in 1-2 is not very dangerous in my opinion. Just go slow, per the usual.

[seanr1221]

If you went back to 1-1 after saving him, he respawns which means he fought all the enemies around and was probably killed. That's what happened to me, and I think the key disappears if you leave 1-1 after he gets killed.

Damn, so we missed out on the key :/

How fast does that ring regenerate your MP? I can't wait to start using the soul arrow.

Also, can anyone explain upgrading to me? I've been upgrading my swords/shields with the stones I get from the black blobs, but I noticed on the wiki, it mentions this for the Kilij

+0 - Sharp
+3 - Quality, Mercury, Tearing
+6 - Moon, Crescent
+8 - Large Sword of Searching (Hero Demon's Soul)

I want to turn it into a Large Sword of Searching eventually, and I know where to get the Hero soul, but what does the +8 mean? Does it mean I need to get it to +8 with sharp stones before I can use the soul and turn it into the searching sword?

[Saint Noir]

Exactly. Once you get a weapon to +8 with sharpstones the sword of searching becomes available. It showed up for my scimitar at that point. If you upgrade a +6 sharp weapon to crescent it then becomes a crescent +1. Etc.

MP regens at about 1 MP per 4 seconds with the ring.

[seanr1221]

Again, I'm gonna ask how it is even possible for him to get killed in 1-1? He is up on a wall and doesn't move and the enemies are down below. At least that's how it happened with me. Even after I rescued him he didn't move.

But to answer your question about 1-2, he's down to the left as you first enter the level (with the mini-phalanx thingies). He's behind a gate and I guess you can resdue him from the other side. I didn't head down there yet because the guide warned me not to or he might get killed. You get to it from tunnels under the towers (by going the other way from where the merchant is). But now that I've cleared 1-2, I guess I can go save him now.

Oh cool, I knew there was a lower path, but I didn't use it, I took the high grounds. Thanks!

Yeah, the fragrant ring turns out to be pretty worthless once you get to a higher level. MP just regenerate way too slowly. The ring that regens health seems to work a lot faster (and I have a ton more HP, go figure). Guess I need to upgrade a crescent weapon. It will stack with fragrant ring and make my MP regen sing.
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Can you explain this a little more, please? Right now I'm using a Scimitar+3 (upgraded with sharp stones) but I'd like to start upgrading my Kilij soon.

EDIT looks like you just explained, thanks!

[Saint Noir]

Base stones can be upgraded all the way to 10. "Better" stones that give benefits and enchantments etc can go to +5 once you start upgrading them down that path. You can take a weapon all the way back down to it's base weapon with a meltstone, but that seems pretty wasteful.

Try to have a plan when upgrading, ores start to become rarer once you've already looted the corpses and are just hoping for drops.

Hope that's clear... again... if you want to go to the weapons that are at +6 sharp or hard or whichever... upgrade them to +6 with base stones then use the other ore. Or if you want a branching weapon at +3, upgrade to +3 sharp then use the stones to go that way.

And of course all upgrades of any fancy have to be done at Blacksmith Ed in 2-1.

[joe2187]

Started playing this last night. I love the feel of the combat.

Died a bunch of times in 1-1 because of first, jumping into a hole I wasn't supposed to, then a bunch of deaths due to the Red Eyes Knight. I wasn't able to get the "make him fall to his death" trick to work, any pointers?

Go through the fog first, find some Valuable items, beat the first boss Phalanx, and then Try and go after him.

[Count]

Found a super easy way to kill the Red knight without attacking him.

Just lure him until you reach the pit at the beginning area. And woot 2000 souls. Ezpz
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I had to make a new character because I think my priest character is screwed. I can't beat 2-1... I got no long range, and I barely got any more healing items.

[ChibiJosh]

You find a crescent falchion +1 in 4-1 relatively close to the beginning behind the black dual-welding katana skeleton.

I saved Freke! I'm sad that you have to play through like 3 times to get all the spells though (and then a 4th or 5th to get all the special weapons).

[seanr1221]

Base stones can be upgraded all the way to 10. "Better" stones that give benefits and enchantments etc can go to +5 once you start upgrading them down that path. You can take a weapon all the way back down to it's base weapon with a meltstone, but that seems pretty wasteful.

Try to have a plan when upgrading, ores start to become rarer once you've already looted the corpses and are just hoping for drops.

Hope that's clear... again... if you want to go to the weapons that are at +6 sharp or hard or whichever... upgrade them to +6 with base stones then use the other ore. Or if you want a branching weapon at +3, upgrade to +3 sharp then use the stones to go that way.

And of course all upgrades of any fancy have to be done at Blacksmith Ed in 2-1.

Gotcha, thanks

You find a crescent falchion +1 in 4-1 relatively close to the beginning behind the black dual-welding katana skeleton.

I saved Freke! I'm sad that you have to play through like 3 times to get all the spells though (and then a 4th or 5th to get all the special weapons).

http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/falcion

That looks cool, and is even better it already starts out as a crescent. I'm going to have to pick that up and upgrade that over the Kilij. Thanks!

[ChibiJosh]

Just be wary, Black Skeleton is very difficult. I hit it once, ran all the way to the beginning of the level and fought it there. It took like 6-8 soul arrows to kill it. And, it can probably nearly kill you one hit, shield or no shield.

[Saint Noir]

You find a crescent falchion +1 in 4-1 relatively close to the beginning behind the black dual-welding katana skeleton.

If you are going as magic as it seems, you may be interested in the Kris Blade that is in 2-2. It increases magical damage. Have to have it in one hand and catalyst in the other. You may die a few times as it is in a hard spot on the right "drop down" path of 2-2.

[ChibiJosh]

I don't think I'm confident enough to not have a shield equipped.

[Count]

I don't think I'm confident enough to not have a shield equipped.

You shouldn't worry about that. ;)
As long as your dodge rolls are quick (Unlike priest)

[Saint Noir]

I don't think I'm confident enough to not have a shield equipped.

Have shield and blade in left slot... witch to blade to fire off shots from a distance. If anything gets close, click on the shield. What I do for crescent weapon, have it in left with catalyst in right to regen my MP. If something is close, I switch to shield.

If something REALLY needs to be dealt with i use the dragon long sword +5... it is a beast (so long as enemy is not fire resistant).

[Count]

This is a bit out of topic but why is there a "fap fap fap" on tags.. lol.

[lokizz]

are the worlds pretty big and good for exploring or is the game linear?

[ChibiJosh]

How far have you gotten to get all these things? Did you upgrade them yourself?

are the worlds pretty big and good for exploring or is the game linear?

They're pretty large, and not completely linear. As you go through the levels, you unlock places you were able to go previously, and there are places that only unlock when you get your alignment to a certain side.

[Count]

It's semi-linear.
Just think of Vagrant story.

[Saint Noir]

Me?

There is a +2 dragon long sword and a +2 dark heater shield in 2-2. I upgraded the sword from 2 to 5 myself as the dragonstone needed to upgrade a dragon weapon is in 2-2 (and pretty much only in 2-2). The heater shield is a great help as well. The Kris Blade is also in 2-2. I have a crescent weapon (the one you mentioned) from when I beat 4-1. Biggest thing for the 2-2 items is some of them require a little leap pf faith. You might see something way down a mountainside... make sure you don't have a bunch of souls (or can get back to them) and give yourself a slide down the mountain. It is scary for sure.

So far I am through 1-1, 1-2, 1-3, all of 2, and 4-1.

[ChibiJosh]

How is the boss of 2-2? I'm not sure where I want to beat next because I'm mostly afraid of the bosses. I could've gone to the boss of 3-1 after saving Freke, but I had like 10K souls that I didn't want to lose, so I left.
I really want to try to farm 50K souls to get the ring of avarice in 3-1 (I also wish I made a female character so I could equip the silver bracelet).

[Count]

@Saint Noir

What soul level are you?

[Saint Noir]

2-2 is not too bad for you... make sure you are quick... and just peg away with soul arrow. Here is a big tip... run straight towards the fog (boss 2-3 is RIGHT after boss 2-2) and run up the stairs. There is some debris. Stand behind it and peg away. Chances are he won't get up to you. If he does... RUN... and then run back up there. Always be ready with shield and herbs though, if he hits you it is massive damage.

Also, after 2-2 souls start becoming in easy supply. Easier. 10,000 is nothing. I lost (for good) 9,000 last night. I am soul level 54. Doing some farming helps build that up too. Then beating big bosses or the enemies around them... start raking in large amounts. Plus, don't be afriad to cash in you random souls you collect for big soul bonus (not demon's souls of crouse, never use those for cash).

[Count]

Hmm nice.

I'm starting to hope for DLC contents on Demons Souls, but not anytime soon of course, A dungeon randomizer would be a nice + (optional dungeon)

[Saint Noir]

I hope they release the 6th Archstone as DLC. LAND OF GIANTS or whatever... yes please.

For grinding/farming... big bearbugs in 2-2 pose almost no real threat and are worth about 1600 souls each. They just take a while to kill. Most stuff in 2-2 is weak to magic or posses no huge threat (as long as you do it right). Great place to farm. There are some black phantoms, but you only have to beat those guys one time.

[KongaKing]

I just picked this game up and am looking forward to playing it later. I'm reading the manual and flipped to the back to see what kind of person I want to play as. They do not give much detail. What do you guys suggest...I want someone who can do at least some magic, but is pretty tough at up close fighting.

[ChibiJosh]

Well, in the end, the class you chose doesn't really matter as anyone can use any weapon/armor/magic as long as you have the stat requirements for it. So, you should probably just start out as the royal to get the MP regen ring from the beginning.

[KongaKing]

Good to know, thanks!

[seanr1221]

Yea, I noticed soul collecting becomes a lot easier. The skeletons in 4-1 aren't that hard to kill and they give you 200+ souls.

Although I was a little miffed when I lost my 10,000+ souls yesterday :[

[blissskr]

The best place for farming I think is 1-4 after you've beaten penatrator just go to that archstone and back track the stairs theres three red eye knights with ring of avarice you get around 10k each time you kill them jump back to nexus and repeat as much as you want (well Im getting 10k in pure black its like 7500 otherwise I think). If you have Makoto it works well double handed vs. the red knights if you dont have good magic, just be sure to equip the ring of regeneration as Makoto is cursed with bleed.

[Saint Noir]

^ That is a good spot for sure. Knights are dangerous to some folks, so just use your judgement. I need to get me one of them rings of avarice!

ChibiJosh... spoiler.. I see in the guide that a corpse in 3-2 has the ring of avarice on it... prolly better than wasting 50000 on it.

[happy]

My copy finally came. So far it's great, and the royal is awesome, although I have now died twice to the same guy (I'm sure you all know) My turpentine seems to be gone so the second time I tried using all my firebombs so I'm out of them now too.... (I assume I'll find more going through it all again though).

[js1]

Man, I so want to play this game! BTW, I saw a guy buying PS3 just for this game today(had the game in hand as well) @ Best Buy. I never thought it could be a game that would sell systems.

[Count]

Man, I so want to play this game! BTW, I saw a guy buying PS3 just for this game today(had the game in hand as well) @ Best Buy. I never thought it could be a game that would sell systems.

I hope he doesn't return the systeem because the game was too hard. :booty:

[Halo05]

My copy arrived today but I haven't played yet. Maybe in a couple hours.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

My copy finally came. So far it's great, and the royal is awesome, although I have now died twice to the same guy (I'm sure you all know) My turpentine seems to be gone so the second time I tried using all my firebombs so I'm out of them now too.... (I assume I'll find more going through it all again though).

After I ran out of firebombs, they've never popped up as 'loot' that dead enemies are dropping now and I've had the same happen with the turpentine. Although, I've heard from some that you can spam the Soul Arrow to kill the first boss. I know it works on its mini versions.:D

[happy]

Actually I realized that guy wasn't the boss, but merely some really strong knight that I guess I should return to. The first boss took 3 tries, but wasn't that hard, just had to get patient. Of course trying to go to 1-2 I died thanks to the dragon, so I have yet another level in soul form I guess.

I bought a crossbow from the vendor in 1-1 but I don't know that I want to spend 30 souls for each bolt so I haven't used it yet (I doubt it will do more damage than soul arrow). How do most people do range weapons and is it worth the cost?

[io]

I bought a crossbow from the vendor in 1-1 but I don't know that I want to spend 30 souls for each bolt so I haven't used it yet (I doubt it will do more damage than soul arrow). How do most people do range weapons and is it worth the cost?

You can find a compound short bow in the second tower past the dragon (run through the first part, then go underground to get to the second one). Then you buy 100+ arrows and then sit in that first tower and keep shooting him. It takes a while and it's hard to tell if you are hitting him (the health bar will pop up for a second but it is hard to see as he's moving so fast). Fortunately he's so big he's pretty easy to hit. And arrows only cost 20 each. It does take a chunk of change to get enough though. I went back and killed the red-eye knight in 1-1 again just to buy arrows with the souls.

[BlueScrote]

I just got wrocked by the tower knight. had him down to less than 1/4, but by then I was out of Herbs. What are the recommendations for this? Should I go back to 1-1 and kill guys for herbs/souls? I am a hunter, but I never seem to have enough arrows.

[Saint Noir]

I would. Lots of guys in 1-1 drop grasses all the time. This would be a good place to farm them, especially for a lower level character.

[Zmonkay]

I just got wrocked by the tower knight. had him down to less than 1/4, but by then I was out of Herbs. What are the recommendations for this? Should I go back to 1-1 and kill guys for herbs/souls? I am a hunter, but I never seem to have enough arrows.

I was getting my ass handed to me, until I realized that if you go up and kill all the archers, you can stand where they were and take pot shots with a ranged weapon, or in my case soul arrow. Time it so just as he moves his shield aside you hit R1, and as soon as you launch your attack step back. He'll launch his, but it will hit the wall and you'll score your attack. Maybe mine glitched, but I was 100% safe just standing there waiting. His blue glowing javalen looking attack just hit the wall, and I was safe. For me it was just a battle of attrition and waiting for my friggin MP to regen :D

Anyone else almost getting a castlevania vibe from this? Especially during some of the boss battles. Throw in a little more exploration and some platforming, and this is what a 3d castlevania should be like imho.

Also, can anyone tell me if the artbook is inside the early preorder copies, or if it is handed out? I got impatient and picked the standard edition up at GS yesterday, and will return the game from inside my Amazon copy. But at BB today, I saw a standard edition that had a sticker saying free artbook and soundtrack. Please tell me I didn't screw myself over (I know, irony in screwing over GS...)

[ChibiJosh]

The artbook/CD was shrinkwrapped with the game I got from amazon.

Did anyone kill the dragon in 1-2 with magic? I can't seem to hit it.

[Saint Noir]

Dragon is out of magic range. Bow range is a lot farther.

[Paco]

GOD. This game is so much tougher then I thought it would be. This is the first game in 10-15 years that I actually RAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEQUITTTTTTTTTTTT TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTt on.

Infact this is the first game that I actually started swearing at again. I remember doing that as a kid saying FUCK YOU. THAT WAS CHEAP YOU FUCKING GAME. And I notice I'm starting this habit up yet again. I'm like FUCK YOU 2-2. FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING CHEATER. GET YOUR FUCKING ASS UP YOU DAMN KNIGHT. RARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrr.

Though I have found out that RAGEQUIT on the game CAN be a good cheat. On the YOU DIED SCREEN if you exit right before it goes to the "loading" and starting you back at the beginning, you can start right off before the boss. Kind of like a continue. But no matter how many damn continues you get, the boss is still FUCKING CHEAP. I HATE YOU. I HATE YOU SO MUCH DEMON'S SOULS. I KILL YOU.

Game is bringing back some HUGE RAGE. Infact I forgot that I had this much rage. Is it possible to have such animosity with a game?

[Saint Noir]

Hahahaha, for real? For whatever reason I have found it challenging, but not ZOMG I'm pissed challenging. I got pissed at Batman AA challenge rooms way more than this game (thus far).

I don't even see this game as cheap. I get more pissed at Burnout Paradise when I am doing a run and a random car pulls out in front of me. I dunno, maybe just knowing it was tough before hand prepared me.

[Paco]

Hahahaha, for real? For whatever reason I have found it challenging, but not ZOMG I'm pissed challenging. I got pissed at Batman AA challenge rooms way more than this game (thus far).

I don't even see this game as cheap. I get more pissed at Burnout Paradise when I am doing a run and a random car pulls out in front of me. I dunno, maybe just knowing it was tough before hand prepared me.

Having the Tower Knight sit on you with that big fucking shield and then dying at full health makes my anger level rise exponentially. After the 5th death..............

But I thought the people saying this was tough were just saying it. I thought I would breeze through it since I played an eternity of NES games and beaten many old 8-16 bit games. Now I'm paying the price for my folly.

[ChibiJosh]

I spent like 2 hours in 2-2 going down the "shortcut" and somehow ended up back at the fucking beginning of the level. Although, it was kind of a good thing because I couldn't carry anymore and still didn't find either of those weapons you were talking about, SaintNoir.

[jrsmaster411]

I just got finished with 3-3 and now I understand fully what happened to me earlier. This level has the most intense and insane boss battle, I don't wanna spoil it for anyone but this fight lasted almost half an hour.

[Loonknight]

I started out with the Hunter class, twice now, and then decided to restart again and go with the Royalty class after my experience with Level 2 /spoiler, those damn Bearbugs! I spent forever chipping away at them with my weapon only to have it break on me...I need magic...

[Saint Noir]

Yeah dude... bearbugs suck big time.... take forever to wear down.

ChibiJosh... only the magic enhancing sword is on some plank or random ledge in that shortcut chasm. The other items are spread out in the level. Be careful, if you loot a corpse and can't carry the item, it's gone forever I think. One of the good items is way down a ledge in the part with Patches, I do remember that.

[coleipoo]

I decided it would be fun to dual wield shields and ambush people and push them off cliffs.

[ChibiJosh]

2-2 is not too bad for you... make sure you are quick... and just peg away with soul arrow. Here is a big tip... run straight towards the fog (boss 2-3 is RIGHT after boss 2-2) and run up the stairs. There is some debris. Stand behind it and peg away. Chances are he won't get up to you. If he does... RUN... and then run back up there. Always be ready with shield and herbs though, if he hits you it is massive damage.


Possibly the worst advice I have ever been given. ;) I ran up the stairs, turned around, and dead.

[Saint Noir]

Possibly the worst advice I have ever been given. ;) I ran up the stairs, turned around, and dead.

:lol: Oh my! Sorry! It worked for me. Swerve around him and out and then up the stairs... straight on is the boss. I don't know what to say... hope I didn't cost you too much.

[ChibiJosh]

:lol: Oh my! Sorry! It worked for me. Swerve around him and out and then up the stairs... straight on is the boss. I don't know what to say... hope I didn't cost you too much.

Well, I'm already back to the boss for attempt 2, so we'll see.

EDIT 3rd time's a charm, right? At least I was able to get a few hits on him this time. That's something.

[Saint Noir]

There are also some bones and things in the "arena," you can dance around those as he can't cross straight over. You could in theory circle around that and keep him on the other side while you soul arrow.

[Jodou]

The best place for farming I think is 1-4 after you've beaten penatrator just go to that archstone and back track the stairs theres three red eye knights with ring of avarice you get around 10k each time you kill them jump back to nexus and repeat as much as you want (well Im getting 10k in pure black its like 7500 otherwise I think). If you have Makoto it works well double handed vs. the red knights if you dont have good magic, just be sure to equip the ring of regeneration as Makoto is cursed with bleed.
Wait til you get to NG+ with soul thirst, silver bracelets, avarice ring, and if you have capped spell slots soulsucker as well. That's how pro's farm.

[Jodou]

So I beat the game this morning and immediately had some PvP when I started my NG+. My god is PvP awesome in this game. I could tell that the guys looking for a fight were shitting their pants once they saw how intimidating I look. I picked the right class and build, because nobody can touch me lol. My temple knight has 42 points pumped into faith and a Large Sword of Moonlight +5, which is unblockable damage. In fact, none of my three opponents today scratched me, but I 2-3 shot them once they made a mistake. I was really hoping to fight a mage today, because I wanted to test the magic block by switching to 2H. It's supposed to block 80% of dmg, but I suppose I could always switch to the dark silver shield and absorb 100% until I wear them out.

Leveling up is really starting to slow down though, so I may have to start farming at SL 100. I'm almost to NG+2 and I don't want to find myself slowed by enemies that are too tough because I fell behind in the curve. I'm loving this game so far, but I might take a break when Uncharted 2 comes out. Don't want to burn out after just a week heh.

Oh BTW, where's the key to open the door in 1-1 that leads to Old King Doran? He's the last boss trophy I need!

[ChibiJosh]

Screw 2-2. I beat 3-1 though.


Oh BTW, where's the key to open the door in 1-1 that leads to Old King Doran? He's the last boss trophy I need!
That guy you save through out world 1 will give it to you after you save him in 1-4. Alternatively, he drops it when he dies.

[gunm]

Nice. I haven't even started the game and people who got the game a week ago beat it already, lol. Grats, Jodou.

[Saint Noir]

Leveling up is really starting to slow down though, so I may have to start farming at SL 100. I'm almost to NG+2 and I don't want to find myself slowed by enemies that are too tough because I fell behind in the curve. I'm loving this game so far, but I might take a break when Uncharted 2 comes out. Don't want to burn out after just a week heh.!

The guide makes special mention that the gap between a regular game and your first + game is the largest. It says there is an increase after that, but it is not near as large or noticeable.

[ChibiJosh]

2-2 done, bitches. Thanks to getting my body back from defeating 3-1, I summoned two helpers and the flamelurker didn't even touch me.

[bjstucker]

I beat flame lurker and Dragon God today. Trying to beat Man eater but I keep falling I might try the first boss in world 4 as I can one hit kill all the skeletons (except for the red eye). Game has been taking a toll on my social life since my B-day.

[happy]

Is there any advice for the dog things in 1-2? They run at me so fast I can't get anything off to even kill one of the two. Maybe I should go through 1-1 again to gain some levels.

[BlueScrote]

Is there any advice for the dog things in 1-2? They run at me so fast I can't get anything off to even kill one of the two. Maybe I should go through 1-1 again to gain some levels.

What I did with the dogs in 1-2 is Shoot an arrow at one, switch to melee, block their jumping rush, then hit it until they died. Then rinse and repeat until they are all gone. If they all attack you at once they can overwhelm you since they're so fast.

[Count]

For the dog parts on 1-2. Start walking slowly on the stop where you know the dogs will appear. And lure them 1 by 1. It's harder to fight them if they're in groups.

[Jodou]

That guy you save through out world 1 will give it to you after you save him in 1-4. Alternatively, he drops it when he dies.
Now that I've had some sleep I realized that duh, I didn't have the key after starting a NG+ because they strip you of them. Also, fair warning about talking to the Black Maiden after defeating 1-4: do not talk to her before you're ready! They give you no chance to back out or any confirmation dialogue which is BS. I was trying to dump the 100k souls I had before finishing the game and she just sent me on my way! Really terrible design there.

[Jodou]

Nice. I haven't even started the game and people who got the game a week ago beat it already, lol. Grats, Jodou.Thanks!

The guide makes special mention that the gap between a regular game and your first + game is the largest. It says there is an increase after that, but it is not near as large or noticeable.Thank god. I'm still breezing through NG+ for the most part, but certain fights I still feel like I'm a little underpowered. I'll farm souls for a bit and get my faith up more.

Trying to beat Man eater but I keep falling I might try the first boss in world 4 as I can one hit kill all the skeletons (except for the red eye).For some reason, this is the only fight that I keep having to come back to. You really have to dish out damage fast to these guys or else they will eventually cheese you. Can't tell you how many times I can do nothing to save myself because they just completely pin you. It's honestly the only fight I hate because there's really not much skill to it and more of luck as to what they decide to do. Considering just about every other boss fight in the game is a joke once you have the strategy down, this one is just way out of place.

[ChibiJosh]

So, I think I'm going to adopt this strategy for every boss. Kill myself in the nexus, go down to where the boss is in a level, use one of those stones to get my body, summon help, defeat boss easily.

Trying to get through 5-1 now because I want the spell you get from the boss demon. Apparently, it's really easy to kill the dragon in 1-2 with it.

[Zmonkay]

Anyone else feel kinda guilty killing the miners in 2-1 or the prisoners in 3-1? I have to kill even the prisoners in 3-1 that aren't crazy and attack you because the fuckers keep getting in my damned way with their constant following me around and cheering. GET OUT OF THE WAY *blasted by a 'flayer spell. dead...

[BlueScrote]

So, I think I'm going to adopt this strategy for every boss. Kill myself in the nexus, go down to where the boss is in a level, use one of those stones to get my body, summon help, defeat boss easily.

Trying to get through 5-1 now because I want the spell you get from the boss demon. Apparently, it's really easy to kill the dragon in 1-2 with it.

I'm probably missing something, but why do you need to kill yourself in the nexus for that strategy to work?

[ChernobylCow]

Well just encountered some sort of co-op glitch. On 3-1 I and another blue phantom helped the thief beat the boss. We go to the pedestal and the cutscene never triggers. Level won't end. We even exit the fog, refight the boss to no avail.

[ChibiJosh]

I'm probably missing something, but why do you need to kill yourself in the nexus for that strategy to work?

Well, you don't need to, but I usually die on my way to the boss at least once, so killing myself in the nexus keeps away those pesky tendency changes toward black.

[joe2187]

I beat the Tower Knight....and now Im lost.

[ChibiJosh]

You have to go to another world and completely beat it.

[happy]

For all of the other Royals out there, did you buy the fireball spell or stick to soul arrow - will fireball hit much harder?

I started going through 1-1 again to gain some more levels, although I'm not really sure where the points should be going - now magic since I'm assuming I will start hitting harder.

[ChibiJosh]

When you say "fireball" do you actually mean fireball or flame toss? I assume flame toss. I started out as a magician and I bought soul arrow as soon as I could, and that's pretty much all I've used since. Some enemies are weak to fire though, so it's good to use against those (such as the 1-1 boss).

As for what to put your points in. I have 13 vit, 30 int, 10 end, 11 str, 11 dex, 27 magic, 12 faith, and 11 luck.

[jrsmaster411]

Well just encountered some sort of co-op glitch. On 3-1 I and another blue phantom helped the thief beat the boss. We go to the pedestal and the cutscene never triggers. Level won't end. We even exit the fog, refight the boss to no avail.
That's no glitch, if your talking about the level I'm thinking of theirs a guy up stairs that says don't kill him because he wont be a problem although he is one of the bad guys. Well he keeps regenerating the boss of that level so you have to kill him then go back and kill the boss again but this time it'll stay dead.

[ChibiJosh]

That's no glitch, if your talking about the level I'm thinking of theirs a guy up stairs that says don't kill him because he wont be a problem although he is one of the bad guys. Well he keeps regenerating the boss of that level so you have to kill him then go back and kill the boss again but this time it'll stay dead.

Yeah, that's that level.

So, I've beaten 1-1, 1-2, 2-1, 2-2, 2-3, 3-1, 4-1, and 5-1. I also beat that red dragon on 1-2 with poison cloud extremely easily, I think I only cast it twice.

[sotc1988]

Was going to hold off on this game but once the eca amazon codes go back up (Friday I think) I'm getting it. Can't wait.

[jrsmaster411]

I finally got my insanity catalyst and am highly disappointed. It raises my magic damage but lower my mp to below 100. I'll probably only use it for boss battles.

[happy]

When you say "fireball" do you actually mean fireball or flame toss? I assume flame toss. I started out as a magician and I bought soul arrow as soon as I could, and that's pretty much all I've used since. Some enemies are weak to fire though, so it's good to use against those (such as the 1-1 boss).

As for what to put your points in. I have 13 vit, 30 int, 10 end, 11 str, 11 dex, 27 magic, 12 faith, and 11 luck.

Yeah, I meant the flame toss. Sounds like I might as well just stick to soul arrow.

[Saint Noir]

Good to know about that insanity catalyst. Was looking forward to making it. Now I don't know.

Anyone else feel kinda guilty killing the miners in 2-1 or the prisoners in 3-1? I have to kill even the prisoners in 3-1 that aren't crazy and attack you because the fuckers keep getting in my damned way with their constant following me around and cheering. GET OUT OF THE WAY *blasted by a 'flayer spell. dead...

I haven't played any of 3 yet, but I kill miners over and over and over again. Only they drop certain things. I have to farm them... :lol:

[ChibiJosh]

Yeah, the insanity catalyst drops your MP to half. It's best to get the tailsman of beasts since it lets you cast both spells and miracles and raises both of their power.

Also, the prisoners in 3-1 drop the shards that lets you make crescent weapons.

[ChernobylCow]

That's no glitch, if your talking about the level I'm thinking of theirs a guy up stairs that says don't kill him because he wont be a problem although he is one of the bad guys. Well he keeps regenerating the boss of that level so you have to kill him then go back and kill the boss again but this time it'll stay dead.

Thanks. Alright, that makes sense. I when I defeated the level solo I definitely killed that little goblin guy. Ugh, so much of this game is unexplained in a typical Japanese fashion. I didn't bother with that guy when I was a blue glowie because I just wanted to hurry to the end of the level and get my souls...i.e. not waste time showing the PLAYER how to save Freke, etc.

[happy]

It's amazing how you get better at the game by just playing the section over. It's similar to old NES games (Mario for example) where when you return to parts that were hard at first you end up being able to run through them, even without upgrading anything.

Is there any place to open doors in 1-2 to make it faster? I just got to and died on the boss but did not see anything I could open. Just before the boss there were metal chains attached to a gate of some sort but I couldn't figure out anything to do with them.

[fizzywix]

Erm... I probably shouldn't have eaten the first two boss demon soul's, huh?

[BlueScrote]

Just beat 1-2 boss with a bow. It was way easier with a bow then the couple of times I tried with melee.

I keep on picking up all of these "broken" type items like broken sword and slave shield. Is there any use to these? From what I can tell, you can't sell stuff, so if should I just drop them?

How many arrows should I pack to kill the dragon in 1-2? Also, are miracle spells worth investing in for a jack-of-all trades type character?

Game is tough, but enjoyable.

[seanr1221]

So, why can't I upgrade the Crescent Falchion+1 I picked up in 4-1?

[ChibiJosh]

So, why can't I upgrade the Crescent Falchion+1 I picked up in 4-1?

You have to upgrade it with a certain type of ore.

[IRHari]

slave shield is useless, broken sword should be kept (can be upgraded nicely later), you can just deposit everything with stockpile thomas (99 of each, 999 arrows) so I'd keep everything you can.

Depends what level you are and what kind of bow you have, on the safe side I'd say 200-300 arrows, that'll guarantee just in case you're not doing enough damage.

I'm Soul Level 80 something and I just have to beat the final boss. I'm farming a little to get to Soul Level 100 just so I'm not underprepared.

[seanr1221]

You have to upgrade it with a certain type of ore.

Oh, so if you don't have the ore, the blacksmith wont even show the option?

Which ore do you need, and where do you find it?

[ChibiJosh]

I recommend everyone pick up Poison Cloud, it's awesome.

Oh, so if you don't have the ore, the blacksmith wont even show the option?

Which ore do you need, and where do you find it?

Yeah, he won't show it unless you have some of the material.
It requires darkmoonstone and it's in area 4. Word of warning, 4-2 is very difficult. I suggest you be in body form for it and summon help to do the work for you because... There are like 3 Reaper enemies in there, and as long as they're alive they keep summoning these shadowmen enemies and the reapers also have a very strong magic attack. But, it also appears that the reapers have a 100% drop chance of a splinter or chunk

[jrsmaster411]

Oh, so if you don't have the ore, the blacksmith wont even show the option?

Which ore do you need, and where do you find it?
It should still come up even if you don't have the proper ore, my guess is your going to the wrong blacksmith, theirs a second blacksmith in level 2-1 I believe who can do more things then the guy at the nexus.

[Zmonkay]

So I got through all of 3-1 and 4-1... and just before entering the fog for the bosses I turned my ass around and ran back to the nexus. I'm too afraid of losing my precious souls! I think I'll try the 3-1 boss in my next run though. Gotta face it eventually, eh?

Erm... I probably shouldn't have eaten the first two boss demon soul's, huh?

Yeah, don't eat boss souls. They are used for unique items/spells.

[Count]

Is there any easier way to shift tendency to white?
I want a certain sword on 2-4 area <_<

[seanr1221]

Oooo. I just beat 2-1 and I didn't see a blacksmith.

Better look it up.

Also, it really helps to level up in 4-1.

2-1 was a breeze.

[IRHari]

So I got through all of 3-1 and 4-1... and just before entering the fog for the bosses I turned my ass around and ran back to the nexus. I'm too afraid of losing my precious souls! I think I'll try the 3-1 boss in my next run though. Gotta face it eventually, eh?



Yeah, don't eat boss souls. They are used for unique items/spells.

Zmonkay, I wouldn't worry about the boss of 3-1. Use ranged attacks on her and use the pillars as cover from her spells.

I would definitely not worry about the boss of 4-1. Keep hitting the spot on his stomach and he'll keel over. When he does smack the shit out of the bird on his head. When he swings his arm back to strike just move counterclockwise around him and he will always miss. Probably the easiest boss fight in the game.

[fizzywix]

Man, I just invaded someone, and it was awesome. I didn't actually fight anyone, but it was awesome none-the-less, haha.

Came into his world on 2-1, and started looking for him. He summoned someone to help him, so I wasn't about to go 2v1. The tension knowing he could be around the corner, and when I actually caught up and could hear them fighting was amazing. But, the phantom he summoned to help looked pretty beefy, so I left the world after watching them from a ways away for a couple minutes.

[seanr1221]

Damn, I think I just screwed myself out of the Fragrant ring :[

I gave the crow the telescope thing, went back to the nexus, and when I came back, he was just talking about shiny items again :[[[[

[IRHari]

It should be next to the tree trunk, search all around it seanr1221.

[happy]

I beat 2-1 :)
Should I go to 1-3, 2-2, or 3-1 next?
Also where do I find the guy that sells better spells?

[ChibiJosh]

I beat 2-1 :)
Should I go to 1-3, 2-2, or 3-1 next?
Also where do I find the guy that sells better spells?

You find Freke in 3-1. Overall a pretty easy level. You have to get all the way to the end though to find the key to unlock Freke's cell.

[bjstucker]

Been grinding the crap out of souls in 4-2 killing the reaper with Arrows then returning to the nexus at level 73 now.

[Saint Noir]

Yeah. I am doing 4-2 now. You can get a ton of souls here. I just lost, lost 45000 souls. All gained on that level.

[ChibiJosh]

4-3 I think is better for grinding.

[seanr1221]

It should be next to the tree trunk, search all around it seanr1221.

Definitely not there. I pushed X all over the place.

I was supposed to leave after I dropped it, right?

[ChibiJosh]

Yeah (or you could've just loaded and you would've been right there), but she should've said something after you dropped it.

[seanr1221]

I think she did, a little satchel appeared in front of her and I left the level.

[ChibiJosh]

Well, I think a little thing will appear on the ground no matter where you drop it, but if she didn't say anything then you dropped it in the wrong place (which seems like the case).

[Saint Noir]

That sucks if you lost it, best get on making a decent crescent weapon.

I just made my large sword of searching from a kilij. Certainly will come in handy going forward with future farming. I beat 4-2 (obviously) and now am not sure what I want to do. Probably will finish out 4 and then head on to 3.

[IRHari]

yeah world 4 is my favorite, and IMO its the easiest.

3 is the hardest for me, I dunno why. 3-2 has the hardest boss IMO (and I think for others too).

World 5 is one of the ugliest levels I've seen in a game. I understand they wanted a murky disgusting type of environment but cmon...am I in Turok again with this shitty fog?

[ChernobylCow]

Ah anyone had this happen in co-op when you lay down your blue stone:Home-boy on a throne of chairs wrapped my head in a yellow cloth and turned me into a red soul...came out looking like a yellow-tornado-headed freakazoid. Anyhow, target died somewhere in the level and I win.

[ChibiJosh]

I just died on 5-2 twice. Time to call it a night.

I'm getting a little annoyed at people invading my game though. It happened like 3 times in the past hour. And, they were no challenge whatsoever. I poison cloud them and then dodge until their dead with the occasional soul arrow.

[LordKefka06]

You guys think this is the hardest game for this console generation?

[DrFoo]

Does anybody else here play almost only cooperatively? So far when I start a new level I'll summon 2 allies, die right away from a trap or something stupid, assist 5 or 6 people as a blue phantom until we beat the boss, then summon allies again once I'm in body form and go through the level easily.

I've only played 1-1, 1-2, and 4-1 so far. I could probably have beaten 1-2 by myself except for maybe those blue knights at the end but 4-1 would have been a bitch all alone. Having two or three people attacking those hyper skeletons and those red eyed samurais makes it so much easier.

Also do you guys think it's completely necessary to have a ranged weapon? I might be answering my own question here but it was just so much easier going through 4-1 when my allies could shoot down those flying manta rays, skeleton archers, and samurais from a distance. I've just been using my sword so far but I have soul arrow and a composite short bow. Since I don't really feel like upgrading my magic based stats I was just thinking about getting better with the bow.

EDIT:
Also one last question. In new game+ etc will you only get matched up with people on the same run through as you or is it only based on your level?

[Saint Noir]

Don't know about hte last question.

I've played a little cooperatively. It is neat.

A ranged weapon is a definite imo. You can find a compound long bow in 4-1. Go with that if you don't want to build your magic up. I have upgraded my compound long bow up to about +3 sticky bow I think. It is very strong and makes for a nice long range weapon. It has a lot of distance, much further than magic.

And to Blader16, personally, no. But I couldn't tell you one game off the top that is harder than this. There have been elements of other games I've found tougher and more frustrating. The beginning of DS is by far the most dangerous, to me. You will still die a lot, but I know I am not AS cautious as I once was. Being able to survive getting hit at least once helps a lot... :lol:

[Jodou]

How many arrows should I pack to kill the dragon in 1-2? Also, are miracle spells worth investing in for a jack-of-all trades type character?
If nothing else, get Warding. It will change your life in the game.

[Jodou]

Man, I just invaded someone, and it was awesome. I didn't actually fight anyone, but it was awesome none-the-less, haha.

Came into his world on 2-1, and started looking for him. He summoned someone to help him, so I wasn't about to go 2v1. The tension knowing he could be around the corner, and when I actually caught up and could hear them fighting was amazing. But, the phantom he summoned to help looked pretty beefy, so I left the world after watching them from a ways away for a couple minutes.
I hate pussies like that who just summon other people because they're so afraid of a fair fight. Chances are, I could rape the shit out of three people anyways. To date I've killed roughly ten invaders 1v1 and never lost a fight. Of course, I'm SL 150 now though. ;)

[Jodou]

Been grinding the crap out of souls in 4-2 killing the reaper with Arrows then returning to the nexus at level 73 now.
Wait 'til you get the spell soul thirst. :)

Yeah. I am doing 4-2 now. You can get a ton of souls here. I just lost, lost 45000 souls. All gained on that level.
Ouch, but that's like a drop in the bucket for me on NG+. Using soul thirst and ring of avarice, I get ~16k souls per minute. I just drop down on top of the reaper, do a landing roll and (since I have a dragon sword +5) destroy him. Loot the corpse, run upstairs and suicide off the ledge. By doing this, you can avoid an extra loading screen plus your souls will be just waiting for you to collect them in the hallway as you run back down to the reaper. I ground out about a million souls yesterday in an hour and a half.

I'm about to start my NG+2 and I can't wait to see how much more he'll drop now. I might just grind up my willpower so I can use soulsucker on him instead for even more souls.

[Jodou]

Also do you guys think it's completely necessary to have a ranged weapon? I might be answering my own question here but it was just so much easier going through 4-1 when my allies could shoot down those flying manta rays, skeleton archers, and samurais from a distance. I've just been using my sword so far but I have soul arrow and a composite short bow. Since I don't really feel like upgrading my magic based stats I was just thinking about getting better with the bow.

EDIT:
Also one last question. In new game+ etc will you only get matched up with people on the same run through as you or is it only based on your level?
Ranged weapon, no. You can use the thief's ring to solo pull enemies with proximity. I've played through the game twice now doing only this.

Also, you're matched based on level only.

[ChernobylCow]

The only reason to invade is to win and be revived right? Your resurrection is the only 'reward', correct? That's all I seemed to have gotten.

So no one put down their blue stone and got summoned by some demon guy that gave you a yellow weird tornado carnival hat and made you an invader? Saw lots of this on youtube when I was deciding if the game seemed alright in action.

[Saint Noir]

That means you got summoned to be the boss in another players level 3. That has happened to others.

I think you can also get some souls if you invade. It's mainly to be a PKer and a jerk thought. That's right, I'm looking at you, Jodou! :lol:

[joe2187]

Anyone else that bought from Amazon get some sort of Code? I just got an E-mail for some armor in some game called Neo Steam wraith something?

If anyone wants it, PM me.

[Halo05]

Anyone else that bought from Amazon get some sort of Code? I just got an E-mail for some armor in some game called Neo Steam wraith something?

If anyone wants it, PM me.

:shock::shock:

:whee::whee::whee:

I'ma go check my email right now.

EDIT - Nevermind then, I thought it was some kind of Demon's Souls armor. Carry on.

[ChibiJosh]

Yeah, I got the code too. It's apparently some free MMORPG Atlus released.

[Saint Noir]

Must be this huh?

http://neosteam.atlusonline.com/

[blissskr]

Invading is actually a very good way to help shift tendency to black if you slay the other player.

[ChibiJosh]

Invading is actually a very good way to help shift tendency to black if you slay the other player.
According to the guide, it doesn't effect world tendency, only character tendency.

[Jodou]

Invading is actually a very good way to help shift tendency to black if you slay the other player.
Nice, I need to go pure black soon. You can farm close to 150k souls in just minutes on 4-2 using soul sucker on the black phantoms that appear there. If RaidenTR invades your game, you're about to get fucked up. ;)
According to the guide, it doesn't effect world tendency, only character tendency.Aww, really? Stale.

[peloquin17]

where can i farm shards of spiderstone?

i cant find any!

[ChibiJosh]

Beat 5-2. 5-3 is a bit of a bitch though. I just need to beat 1-3, 1-4, 3-2, 3-3, and 5-3 now.

[peloquin17]

where can i farm shards of spiderstone?

i cant find any!

i mean splinters.

tried the baddies on 2-2 in the right tunnel, but to no avail.
killed a bunch of crystal geckos in 2-2...still didnt get any.

wtf?

[amari]

The more I see from this game, the more I like it...But I won't know if it's worth $60. I have no idea how frustrating it's difficulty is until I play it myself. I'll wait until there's a $30 price drop before picking this one up.

[Jodou]

Beat 5-2. 5-3 is a bit of a bitch though. I just need to beat 1-3, 1-4, 3-2, 3-3, and 5-3 now.
5-3 is a breeze if you use a large sword and light armor. Only strike when he has no chance to recover and just bait his attacks by rolling backward. I did this naked last night on NG+ and he never hit me once lol. Just make sure you keep his focus on killing you and he'll never attempt to heal.

[SynGamer]

Just waiting for the ECA site to get more amazon codes and i'll pick this up. Considering most places are sold out and it's published by Atlus, there's a very good chance this could be hard too find soon :(

[ChibiJosh]

i mean splinters.

tried the baddies on 2-2 in the right tunnel, but to no avail.
killed a bunch of crystal geckos in 2-2...still didnt get any.

wtf?
http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/upgrade

5-3 is a breeze if you use a large sword and light armor. Only strike when he has no chance to recover and just bait his attacks by rolling backward. I did this naked last night on NG+ and he never hit me once lol. Just make sure you keep his focus on killing you and he'll never attempt to heal.
I'm a pure mage. My strength and endurance are the same as what they were when I started. I'm only able to hit him for about 16 at a time with my sword. I got him down to a sliver and he healed all the way. And then, I got cocky/aggressive and he knocked me into the pit where I got the plague and died before I could find the way out.

[peloquin17]

thx...i always forget to check the wiki.

[Jodou]

I'm a pure mage. My strength and endurance are the same as what they were when I started. I'm only able to hit him for about 16 at a time with my sword. I got him down to a sliver and he healed all the way. And then, I got cocky/aggressive and he knocked me into the pit where I got the plague and died before I could find the way out.
Ha damn, that's a bitch because he's wearing full Dark Silver (i.e. anti-magic armor). The shield he drops can absorb 100% of magic damage into stamina as well as adding a magic def bonus, so I'm not sure how that factors into the fight.

[ChibiJosh]

Well, I was trying to ping him with soul arrow whenever he moved the shield to swing, and it was only doing like 8-9 damage at a time.

[IRHari]

hm that could be a very tough fight for you Chibi.

Might want to try attacking the girl herself, instead of him. She may heal though so be ready, but I can't think of any other way to get rid of him.

[ChibiJosh]

What I need is to summon some phantoms to do the work for me. Who wants to do it?

[Jodou]

What I need is to summon some phantoms to do the work for me. Who wants to do it?
Haha, can you summon players way above your SL? I can drop him easy for you.

[ChibiJosh]

Probably not.

Also, killing NPCs is made easy by poison cloud. I killed Yurt by casting poison cloud twice, and he didn't attack me. He just stood there slowly dying. He has 642HP apparently.

[IRHari]

By the way, I just got the Friend's Ring from Pure White Character Tendency. Apparently to get the Rogue's Gold Trophy (obtain all rings), you have to have Pure Black Character Tendency and do the Mephistopheles quest. This could take a long time to go from Pure White to Pure Black (maybe 1 or 2 more playthroughs).

Anyone want to trade rings just to get this trophy? Just make sure you only need one more ring to get this trophy, I have all except the Foe's Ring. We could work out a place to lay blue stones that no one will think to look for.

PM me or lemme know in this thread, thanks!

[Snake2715]

i thought killing npcs dropped it to black quick?

[ChibiJosh]

I thought tendency went from -100 to 100 and invading a players world and killing him will drop your character tendency by 40, so do that 5 times and you go from pure white to pure black. I could be wrong though.

[IRHari]

problem is i'm about to start new game plus, where its a lot harder. pure black CT decreases your HP by about 10% or something, and it's really hard to get tendency back to white.

[Snake2715]

I see the pictures but how do I know if I am 100% pure white?

Nevermind I checked the wiki.

[ChibiJosh]

You can't really know.

[BlueScrote]

ugh. I've died a bunch of times on 4-1 on pure accident by the ledges. It doesn't help that the manta rays keep harassing me, and I can't reliably shoot them down.

[IRHari]

if you have demonbrand or soulbrand you can check how much +dmg is added. if you have demonbrand and you have pure white CT, you should have +130/+110

[Snake2715]

a bow and L1 to aim... its 90 hit points and easily killed with 1 arrow. The crossbows cant aim like a bow can.

I too backed off a ledge afterI killed the black samuari I meant to hit L1 to come out of aim and out of habit it O (used to back out in almost all xmb, etc) I jumped back and off the ledge. I was pissed.

[io]

Man, I couldn't play last night because I had work to catch up on. Now I'm suffering withdrawal symptoms ;).

So, I started using the "Perfect Run Walkthrough" in the guide last time I was playing. I may have started just a bit too late as I didn't commit suicide in Stonefang tunnel after a couple of the bosses though (at first I was trying for pure white so I committed suicide only in the Nexus). I hope this doesn't hose me up for both the black AND white events...

Is anyone else following along with that?

[ChernobylCow]

5-3 is a breeze if you use a large sword and light armor. Only strike when he has no chance to recover and just bait his attacks by rolling backward. I did this naked last night on NG+ and he never hit me once lol. Just make sure you keep his focus on killing you and he'll never attempt to heal.

Does the meat cleaver fall into that category?

[IRHari]

Man, I couldn't play last night because I had work to catch up on. Now I'm suffering withdrawal symptoms ;).

So, I started using the "Perfect Run Walkthrough" in the guide last time I was playing. I may have started just a bit too late as I didn't commit suicide in Stonefang tunnel after a couple of the bosses though (at first I was trying for pure white so I committed suicide only in the Nexus). I hope this doesn't hose me up for both the black AND white events...

Is anyone else following along with that?

I think the reason they tell you that is to save you some stones of ephemeral eyes. You're only committing suicide in Stonefang (in body form) to get the world to BT, then you'll kill a BP, Primeval Demon, and a Boss all in one go to get it to Pure white WT.

You could probably just use a stone of ephemeral eyes if you forgot to suicide there a few times, but make sure you follow the guide in terms of what bosses to do and when.

[Saint Noir]

I'm going to attempt the perfect walkthrough I think on my second go. Maybe. I'll just have to see what stuff I NEED to obtain then, that's the biggest thing for me.

[io]

Yeah, I figured I'd just do it now since I was already doing most of the prep stuff anyway (getting the winged spear, purple flame shield, etc). I just missed a few of the suicide opportunities I guess. I figure I'll get as much as a I can done this time and the clean up on the second playthrough.

[IRHari]

Yeah I did a lot of the stuff in the walkthrough, and I only have to do Pure Black CT events and World 1 and 3 White Tendency Events.

[BlueScrote]

I can't believe I died twice to the adjudicator. The guy was a joke. Also, the adjudicator shield is pretty awesome. haven't decided if its better than the purple flame shield or not though.

[ChernobylCow]

Walk-through weenies!


Be a real man and use the wiki pages that were made for the Chinese version. :booty:

[Saint Noir]

Be a real man and use the wiki pages that were made for the Chinese version. :booty:


Haha yeah... and when it says vicious bow you look around like wtf is a vicious bow... that's NOT IN MY GAME! Must have a broken copy... ;)

[io]

Walk-through weenies!


Be a real man and use the wiki pages that were made for the Chinese version. :booty:

Actually, that is what I was following (well, one on gamefaqs anyway but I think it is the same) but it didn't have the suicide advise and I find the engrish (though it was probably written by an English speaker - just one with bad writing skills ;)) combined with stuff like the "viscous" bow to make it confusing. It is much clearer in the guide.

[Count]

Actually, that is what I was following (well, one on gamefaqs anyway but I think it is the same) but it didn't have the suicide advise and I find the engrish (though it was probably written by an English speaker - just one with bad writing skills ;)) combined with stuff like the "viscous" bow to make it confusing. It is much clearer in the guide.


Hmm, official wiki says that Asian Demons souls and NA Demon Souls may be different due to some changes..