Demon's Souls - Atlus & From Software's Action RPG - October 6

[BlueScrote]

I finished 2-2 and 4-2 today. I thought I was going to have a tough time with the flamelurker based on what everybody else had to say about him, but I just used the purple shield, flame-resist ring and soul arrow and he went down without much of a fight.

I'm kind of confused about upgrading with blacksmith ed. I have the flamelurker and armor spider souls, and want to upgrade my compound long bow +7 into the lava bow. My only option for upgrading from the menu is up to compound long bow +8, am I missing something, or do I need something else to upgrade?

[Saint Noir]

I finished 2-2 and 4-2 today. I thought I was going to have a tough time with the flamelurker based on what everybody else had to say about him, but I just used the purple shield, flame-resist ring and soul arrow and he went down without much of a fight.

I'm kind of confused about upgrading with blacksmith ed. I have the flamelurker and armor spider souls, and want to upgrade my compound long bow +7 into the lava bow. My only option for upgrading from the menu is up to compound long bow +8, am I missing something, or do I need something else to upgrade?

You need to make sure you have given him the red hot demon soul. Have it in your inventory and just keep approaching him and talking to him to unlock the good upgrades.

[Jodou]

ZOMG. So, I was cheesing 1-4 boss. I got him down to about 30% left in his health. I say, look at him just standing there, he doesn't even turn around when I get super close. I'll just finish him off. Tried to back stab, missed, got destroyed. Luckily I only lost 1 soul level. This time it's all cheese... :lol:
You got cocky!

[happy]

Reading messages can only be done online right(your talking about messages other players leave on the ground?)? I am assuming from this and things iv heard from others its pretty important to play this online/alot easier?

Yeah the messages are online only. I wouldn't say it's a lot easier, but they're useful for little things like there's a trap in front of you or use fire on the guy in the next room (which is not always accurate).

[Snake2715]

I thought you could use magic no matter what class you were as long as you had the wand. Where does one get this and how do you get the magic or healing spells?

Yeah find that wand. Once you do people will help you get spells dont be afreaid to talk to the people in the nexus again, until you have the wand or a talisman neither of them want anything to do with you. I didnt realize those people taught spells becuase when I first talked to them they basically told me to get lost.

Dr. Foo thanks I skipped that portion of the lever, found it last night when I went back. I took the back way to Flamelurker, and am going back now to finish up the level

[Snake2715]

Got a question for anyone.

Say I am after an upgraded weapon. And You can get there with 2 or more routes with various weapons... Does the end result weigh the same?

I am after a certain upgraded weapon and i can get there with the great axe, or the crescent axe. The crescent axe is 3.0 lighter. I assume the end result will weigh the same, but I hate to find out it wont later.

[Saint Noir]

End result is the same.

[Snake2715]

Thanks Saint Noir!

[happy]

I just tried 5-1, and I just want to say the plague sucks - I went through all of my plague healing items the first time I tried, should have just died and done it again saving the items. Also what's the deal with the red roach-like things, it seemed like they opened a path, but I couldn't really tell?

[Zmonkay]

unless I'm mistaken, if u load ur game, status effects go away. So if u got plagued by the rats (I don't know what else in 5-1 would have plagued u. Only place I ever got it was fucking 5-3), kill em all off quick and just reload. No need to go through your lotuses

[Jodou]

Ugh, I'm one weapon upgrade away from the platinum but I really don't feel like grinding those damn mosquitoes for shards/chunks. It sucks that marrowstone is the only one in the game that doesn't have a treasure location other than the pure.

[crunchb3rry]

Something I'm wondering about Ostrava. I missed him the first time (didn't look down in that courtyard...frankly, didn't even know you could go down there at all) so I restarted and saved him. Now he's in the Nexus hanging out. But somebody told me if you ever go back to 1-1, Ostrava goes back too and you have to re-rescue him. Something about how you had to rescue Ostrava and beat the 1-1 boss in the same session within that world.

So does Ostrava keep coming back until you rescue him and "lock" him as rescued status by beating the boss? Or is he considered rescued as long as you got him back to the Nexus? I see that you get to rescue him (...again) in 1-2, but I've stopped playing because I'm about to kill the 1-1 boss but need to know if I have to rescue Ostrava in 1-1 again before I kill the boss. I don't want to kill the boss and then go to 1-2 and find out Ostrava died somewhere.

[io]

Ugh, I'm one weapon upgrade away from the platinum but I really don't feel like grinding those damn mosquitoes for shards/chunks. It sucks that marrowstone is the only one in the game that doesn't have a treasure location other than the pure.

I want to start upgrading weapons for the trophies and haven't seen that discussed much. I'm just using the winged spear. Jodou, since you've done it, what weapons should I be upgrading to get the other trophies that won't interfere with the spear or the purple flame shield upgrades or anything else I might need for other purposes? Ie, are there any "easy" ones I can knock out now? I have rather large collectons of all kinds of stones from the first half of the game.

[ChibiJosh]

Something I'm wondering about Ostrava. I missed him the first time (didn't look down in that courtyard...frankly, didn't even know you could go down there at all) so I restarted and saved him. Now he's in the Nexus hanging out. But somebody told me if you ever go back to 1-1, Ostrava goes back too and you have to re-rescue him. Something about how you had to rescue Ostrava and beat the 1-1 boss in the same session within that world.

So does Ostrava keep coming back until you rescue him and "lock" him as rescued status by beating the boss? Or is he considered rescued as long as you got him back to the Nexus? I see that you get to rescue him (...again) in 1-2, but I've stopped playing because I'm about to kill the 1-1 boss but need to know if I have to rescue Ostrava in 1-1 again before I kill the boss. I don't want to kill the boss and then go to 1-2 and find out Ostrava died somewhere.

Until you beat the boss, Ostavia will reappear in the level everytime, and you have to save him. You can save him after you beat the boss though (for 1-1 at least, haven't tried it in any of the other levels)

[io]

The guide says that you don't want to rescue him in 1-2 until you beat the boss there too. I beat the boss and he's still in his little cage. I have yet to rescue him though I might do it tonight.

[gunm]

I died stupidly in 1-1 not too long after rescuing Ostrava and then he died fighting the respawn while I was fighting my way back to him. >_< By the time I got back to him, he was just a glowing Masoleum key. :(

Kinda bummed that I missed out on a free clearstone, but I don't plan to restart the game any time soon. Actually, if I ever beat the game, I might do a new game over instead of new game +.

[crunchb3rry]

So you save him and immediately beat the boss in 1-1, but beat the boss and then save him in 1-2?

[gunm]

So you save him and immediately beat the boss in 1-1, but beat the boss and then save him in 1-2?



If you save him the first time, he'll continue to reappear as an NPC "quest" (where he'll ask for assistance again) in different worlds, world 1-2 included.

If you're referring to why you should wait until after killing the boss in 1-2, it's mainly to improve his survivability later on in 1-3 (IIRC).

[io]

So you save him and immediately beat the boss in 1-1, but beat the boss and then save him in 1-2?

All I know is that I beat the 1-2 boss long ago and Ostrava is still sitting in his little cage. I never went down (from the other side) to save him. But I've gone into the beginning of 1-2 repeatedly to farm stones off the mini-phalaxes. He's there every time. But I think I will save him tonight.

Note that you can also not save him in 1-1 and beat the boss there first too. I went back and got him later. I was in his general area but never went over to where he was originally and he was still there when I went back well after beating Phalanx.

[crunchb3rry]

I think I figured it out. The first time you enter his area, he stands on that balcony and doesn't come down to fight until you clean out that initial mob keeping him up there.

But if you trigger him coming down, anytime you enter that area again, he will be down on the ground already, fighting enemies. I think this is how he is getting killed. He can take out the enemies near him just fine, but usually dies when he makes it to the blue knight's hallway.

Anyways, I saved him and beat the boss. I'm glad he's at least stuck in a cage in 1-2. I just fear going back to 1-1 to get past that WT gate, and having to worry about saving his ass again. I would think saving him once just triggered a script so he would no longer spawn in 1-1 anymore.

[Bavgate]

Hahaha! Went to 3-1 and used my Blue Eye Stone to help people out.

Ended up getting warped as a Black Phantom, which baffled me. I remember someone in this thread talking about getting warped like that though, so I geared up as the boss and got ready to try and kill that guy. He came through and I hit him with Poison Cloud. He starts beating my ass with some sword that makes me bleed. I fall back and cure the bleeding and my health. I cast God's Wrath and it missed. I think I'm screwed at this point but I remember I have my Scraping Spear equipped. I proceed to go on the offensive and break all of this dude's equipment. I can tell it's working since he's switching through numerous weapons. I got him in the corner and proceeded to beat him down. That was so gratifying, hahaha. I feel kinda bad for the guy since I broke all his stuff, but it didn't occur to me that that damn boss would summon me. Boy oh boy, was that damn fun to play as the stage boss though.

What other game let's you do that? I'm in love with this game.

[io]

Um, so, I was thinking of doing the 3-1 boss tonight. The walkthrough never said anything about other players coming in during that fight. Should I be worried? :lol:

As for Ostrava - ah, see, I never understood how he was getting killed in other people's games because when I saved him he was on the balcony waving his sword about and he never left there. I had already killed every enemy in the entire area.

[the_punisher]

Finally started the game, and it took me 3 hours just to beat 1-1, is that normal? =/

[Saint Noir]

Finally started the game, and it took me 3 hours just to beat 1-1, is that normal? =/

Can't say that it's normal (I don't know what is), but 1-1 is the steep learning curve for most. It is the trial by fire!

[gunm]

Yeah, no worries about how fast you're progressing. Working slower is better when you're first starting out, as too many enemies will really be the death of you.

And even with my research, I still die a lot due to stupid mistakes or nerves. >_<

Like just now, I died running across the bridge in 1-2 'cause I mistimed when to stop sprinting and got caught from behind by the very last bit of dragon flame before he flew off for another run. >_<

Oddly enough, I had no problem doing the recovery run and beating Tower Knight after that. :p

[ya0]

after about an hour figure out how to be tower knight man i love this game

[bjstucker]

So I killed the Flying dragon finally (Thanks Saint) and now I have to fight the King any tips ? Also how do you summon someone to your world? I know if someone puts their blue stone down you can but I can never find those white symbols.

[Zmonkay]

Ugh, I'm one weapon upgrade away from the platinum but I really don't feel like grinding those damn mosquitoes for shards/chunks. It sucks that marrowstone is the only one in the game that doesn't have a treasure location other than the pure.

Don't the swollen bugs (idk wtf they are) in 5-1 also drop marrowstones? idk what's easier to farm. I guess they aren't till the middle of the stage, and the mosquitoes are at least at the beginning (after shortcut) of 5-3. I am totally NOT looking forward to farming for those trophies...

[io]

Don't the swollen bugs (idk wtf they are) in 5-1 also drop marrowstones? idk what's easier to farm. I guess they aren't till the middle of the stage, and the mosquitoes are at least at the beginning (after shortcut) of 5-3. I am totally NOT looking forward to farming for those trophies...

I can confirm that they do drop marrowstones as I got a few from there when I ran through 5-1 tonight (after beating 3-1 with little problem and no player phantoms summoned by the boss ;)).

I lost to Leechmonger though because I couldn't get his health down fast enough with heavy arrows or soul arrow. I got him about 2/3 down, but then ran out of stuff and when I was trying to use spices to get more magic he'd recover. Then I got knocked down low and pounded with leeches ;). The guide says to come back with better equipment, etc, but I'm not sure what to upgrade. I guess I can increase my magic power and maybe soul arrow will be enough. Or increase strength and buy a crapload of arrows.

[Jodou]

I want to start upgrading weapons for the trophies and haven't seen that discussed much. I'm just using the winged spear. Jodou, since you've done it, what weapons should I be upgrading to get the other trophies that won't interfere with the spear or the purple flame shield upgrades or anything else I might need for other purposes? Ie, are there any "easy" ones I can knock out now? I have rather large collectons of all kinds of stones from the first half of the game.
Sharpstone and hardstone are by far the easiest. I got those knocked out without even trying. After that, it really comes down to how many times you've cleared the game. For me, some of them just came naturally because I'm on my 7th playthrough. I still had to do a bit of farming for half of them, but drop rates aren't too bad and most of them have mob spawns close to an archstone. The wiki lists what you can make with each stone type under the upgrade section, so I'd check that out first.

I got my first chunk of marrowstone last night out of all the bloodsuckers I've killed in normal clears. I think I'll need a total of 8 more plus all the shards just to get the trophy. Yeah, this is going to be a bitch. . .

[BlueScrote]

I can confirm that they do drop marrowstones as I got a few from there when I ran through 5-1 tonight (after beating 3-1 with little problem and no player phantoms summoned by the boss ;)).

I lost to Leechmonger though because I couldn't get his health down fast enough with heavy arrows or soul arrow. I got him about 2/3 down, but then ran out of stuff and when I was trying to use spices to get more magic he'd recover. Then I got knocked down low and pounded with leeches ;). The guide says to come back with better equipment, etc, but I'm not sure what to upgrade. I guess I can increase my magic power and maybe soul arrow will be enough. Or increase strength and buy a crapload of arrows.

I'm not sure what kinds of equipment you have, but he is very weak to fire. I used the lava bow with heavy arrows, and it took a while, but he went down (your safe from where you first enter. I think they sell "fire arrows" as well, and they might be helpful. Failing that, I would assume any of the fire spells would work pretty well on him, as would the dragon sword (found in 2-2).

I think so far my leading cause of death is falling off ledges. Quite possibly the most frustrating way to die, because you only have yourself to blame.

[Jodou]

I lost to Leechmonger though because I couldn't get his health down fast enough with heavy arrows or soul arrow. I got him about 2/3 down, but then ran out of stuff and when I was trying to use spices to get more magic he'd recover. Then I got knocked down low and pounded with leeches ;). The guide says to come back with better equipment, etc, but I'm not sure what to upgrade. I guess I can increase my magic power and maybe soul arrow will be enough. Or increase strength and buy a crapload of arrows.
Two words: dragon sword. I just throw on warding and stab, stab, stab. It keeps it on the defensive so much that all it generally does is try to regenerate health. I guess a lava bow would work as well, but the sword is just wicked fast. If you're a mage, you can one-shot the boss using firestorm lol.

[the_punisher]

Yeah, no worries about how fast you're progressing. Working slower is better when you're first starting out, as too many enemies will really be the death of you.

And even with my research, I still die a lot due to stupid mistakes or nerves. >_<

Like just now, I died running across the bridge in 1-2 'cause I mistimed when to stop sprinting and got caught from behind by the very last bit of dragon flame before he flew off for another run. >_<

Oddly enough, I had no problem doing the recovery run and beating Tower Knight after that. :p

I think that sounds right, the initial learning curve is definitely steep. Half of my 3 hours was spent trying to kill two enemies that, at my level, I realized are impossible to kill. Once you really understand how the game works, which I think I do now, it should go faster.

And even though I may've wasted a little time trying to figure out the game, I strangely can't wait to play 1-2.

[Jodou]

I'm not sure what kinds of equipment you have, but he is very weak to fire. I used the lava bow with heavy arrows, and it took a while, but he went down (your safe from where you first enter. I think they sell "fire arrows" as well, and they might be helpful. Failing that, I would assume any of the fire spells would work pretty well on him, as would the dragon sword (found in 2-2).

I think so far my leading cause of death is falling off ledges. Quite possibly the most frustrating way to die, because you only have yourself to blame.
You can cheat by applying turpentine or black turpentine to a right hand weapon, then two-hand equip the bow with your left. The fire bonus damage will apply to your arrows.

As for ledges, the only time I die by falling off one is because of the horrible camera system or auto-targeting. Can't tell you how many times I go to lock on the OBVIOUS FUCKING ENEMY in front of me and it locks on to something way offscreen just because it was closer. Sometimes it's trying to be helpful by auto-targeting the next enemy, but then turns me off a ledge. Shit like that pisses me off because it was beyond my control.

[redshadow]

I think I killed the Dragon my first time through 1-2 with about 200 arrows. Took about 10 minutes but that bitch is definitely dead.

[erectiontown]

just started last night with royalty. man, that soul arrow is a life saver. i started out as a hunter with the import version months ago and died 20+ times in 1-1.... i've only died once so far

[StillFree]

I got my first chunk of marrowstone last night out of all the bloodsuckers I've killed in normal clears. I think I'll need a total of 8 more plus all the shards just to get the trophy. Yeah, this is going to be a bitch. . .

It shouldn't take you too long to get these if you backtrack from the Dirty Colossus archstone killing the mosquitoes as you go. Having the world set to pure black tendency helps with the drop rate on the stones.

[Jodou]

It shouldn't take you too long to get these if you backtrack from the Dirty Colossus archstone killing the mosquitoes as you go. Having the world set to pure black tendency helps with the drop rate on the stones.
Yeah, I know. I'm just going to equip my Large Sword of Searching and start grinding them tonight. I figure I'll just hop across that bridge you can knock down in 5-2 and farm the few that spawn there. I'm hoping it will take me an hour or less to complete since the hardest part will be getting chunks.

[the_punisher]

Stuck again, damn this game is annoying. On the 1-2 boss, and i can't even hit him. :bomb:

[StillFree]

Yeah, I know. I'm just going to equip my Large Sword of Searching and start grinding them tonight. I figure I'll just hop across that bridge you can knock down in 5-2 and farm the few that spawn there. I'm hoping it will take me an hour or less to complete since the hardest part will be getting chunks.

Have you increased your luck stat any? alot of people thought that leveling your luck to 8 had more influence on drops than people who leveled it to 99.

Congrats btw on your soon to be platinum. :)

[ChibiJosh]

Stuck again, damn this game is annoying. On the 1-2 boss, and i can't even hit him. :bomb:

Run up the stairs, kill the archers, hide behind things and use magic/bows on him just when he moves his shield.

[the_punisher]

Run up the stairs, kill the archers, hide behind things and use magic/bows on him just when he moves his shield.

I'm a knight (was that a mistake?) so i don't even know how to use magic, and i guess the bow could work, but i'm not sure how much damage it'd really do.

[SynGamer]

Just got my game. Deluxe edition = amazing. Seriously, for what I paid, $66 shipped, this is a fucking huge deal! 160-page strategy guide/walkthrough + the bonus artbook, plus the original soundtrack CD, oh, and then the game itself. Atlus continues to impress.

[Bavgate]

Um, so, I was thinking of doing the 3-1 boss tonight. The walkthrough never said anything about other players coming in during that fight. Should I be worried? :lol:

Other people invading your game only applies if you're at the 3-3 boss. The 3-1 boss is a pushover.

[gunm]

I'm a knight (was that a mistake?) so i don't even know how to use magic, and i guess the bow could work, but i'm not sure how much damage it'd really do.


It's a little more tricky with the melees, but after you kill all the archers, hang back to get a sense of his pattern, then when you're ready, use R3 to target his ankles. When you see the opening slash at them and eventually he'll topple over. While he's down, R3 his head for massive damage and repeat until he's dead.

Knights are a good class. I think they get a miracle early on.

[Snake2715]

I'm a knight (was that a mistake?) so i don't even know how to use magic, and i guess the bow could work, but i'm not sure how much damage it'd really do.

A few tips a crossbow can be found by the first blue eye knight. There is a break in the wall, fall over there and there is a crossbow.... however a real bow you can aim and zoom with so you can hit his head when he starts to move his shield.

I was a hunter and didnt have magic when I took this guy down so its doable... keep in mind you do not have to go from 1-1 to 2-1, the entire set of other levels are opened to you. I took out 2-1 and 4-1 I think before coming back to 1-2 and beating him.

[io]

Other people invading your game only applies if you're at the 3-3 boss. The 3-1 boss is a pushover.

Well, I was responding to a post where someone said they put down the blue stone to help with 3-1 and ended up being the boss fight in someone else's game. I checked it several times and they said 3-1 for sure. So I guess that was a typo.

Edit - Wait, in fact, that someone was you!

Hahaha! Went to 3-1 and used my Blue Eye Stone to help people out.

Ended up getting warped as a Black Phantom, which baffled me. I remember someone in this thread talking about getting warped like that though, so I geared up as the boss and got ready to try and kill that guy. He came through and I hit him with Poison Cloud. He starts beating my ass with some sword that makes me bleed. I fall back and cure the bleeding and my health. I cast God's Wrath and it missed. I think I'm screwed at this point but I remember I have my Scraping Spear equipped. I proceed to go on the offensive and break all of this dude's equipment. I can tell it's working since he's switching through numerous weapons. I got him in the corner and proceeded to beat him down. That was so gratifying, hahaha. I feel kinda bad for the guy since I broke all his stuff, but it didn't occur to me that that damn boss would summon me. Boy oh boy, was that damn fun to play as the stage boss though.

What other game let's you do that? I'm in love with this game.

So while playing 5-1 last night I just realized there was something a bit odd. There wasn't a single white phantom or any bloodstains or messages while I was playing. And I was online for sure. Earlier (in the same session) when I was playing 3-1 I saw the bloodstains and messages but there was almost no one playing - but being really late Sunday night probably had something to do with that. But the utter lack of stains/messages in 5-1 was creepy.

[ChibiJosh]

Knights are a good class. I think they get a miracle early on.
I think you're thinking of Temple Knights, they start out with heal.

[ChibiJosh]

Well, I was responding to a post where someone said they put down the blue stone to help with 3-1 and ended up being the boss fight in someone else's game. I checked it several times and they said 3-1 for sure. So I guess that was a typo.

Edit - Wait, in fact, that someone was you!

You can put your stone down in 3-1, but you'll be summoned to be the boss in 3-3.

[gunm]

I think you're thinking of Temple Knights, they start out with heal.



Oh yeah, Temple Knights are better, IMO. Just ask Jodou, lol.

I decided to stop playing online for now. My Internet connection has been prone to very brief interruptions, enough to where I get logged out of the game. It's annoying to be playing fine and then have the level reset because your Internet connection went down.

[Saint Noir]

I decided to stop playing online for now. My Internet connection has been prone to very brief interruptions, enough to where I get logged out of the game. It's annoying to be playing fine and then have the level reset because your Internet connection went down.

That resets your level? That thing has happened to me and it just counts as a quit game. I've never had a level rest, I would be mad!

[gunm]

That resets your level? That thing has happened to me and it just counts as a quit game. I've never had a level rest, I would be mad!



Sorry, that's what I meant. It's not the biggest deal, I know, but it sucks when you're on a roll and almost at the last fog. >_<

[Saint Noir]

+ game is a little tougher than I thought it would be. Having run through the levels so many times and just mowing people down by the end... big change. Fat officials are particularly nasty this go round. Way too many hit points! And it is weird to actually have to watch out for even the smallest enemy... do tons more damage.

[bjstucker]

How did everyone beat The False King does anyone know if Death Cloud works on him or Acid Cloud?

[Saint Noir]

How did everyone beat The False King does anyone know if Death Cloud works on him or Acid Cloud?

Only poison cloud. If you hide at the bottom of stairs with thief ring, you can just poison cloud him when he turns his back. I recommend this... as he is tough as hell and if you might lose soul levels too. Be safe! Don't think it's boring like I did... I paid in souls!

[Jodou]

Oh yeah, Temple Knights are better, IMO. Just ask Jodou, lol.
Temple Knight rapes, but any class can go down the same path really. In the end, everyone is pretty much using the same gear but weapons are what define how you play. I went with a pure faith build to maximize damage output from the Large Sword of Moonlight and in PvP it's dominating since the damage is unblockable and warding does nothing to mitigate the damage either. Just remember to keep your equip burden <50% of your max so that you can dodge quickly.

This game is built for quick movement and your life depends on it 99% of the time.

[Snake2715]

The guide says that you don't want to rescue him in 1-2 until you beat the boss there too. I beat the boss and he's still in his little cage. I have yet to rescue him though I might do it tonight.

Wow really i did and hes fine...

Hahaha! Went to 3-1 and used my Blue Eye Stone to help people out.

Ended up getting warped as a Black Phantom, which baffled me. I remember someone in this thread talking about getting warped like that though, so I geared up as the boss and got ready to try and kill that guy. He came through and I hit him with Poison Cloud. He starts beating my ass with some sword that makes me bleed. I fall back and cure the bleeding and my health. I cast God's Wrath and it missed. I think I'm screwed at this point but I remember I have my Scraping Spear equipped. I proceed to go on the offensive and break all of this dude's equipment. I can tell it's working since he's switching through numerous weapons. I got him in the corner and proceeded to beat him down. That was so gratifying, hahaha. I feel kinda bad for the guy since I broke all his stuff, but it didn't occur to me that that damn boss would summon me. Boy oh boy, was that damn fun to play as the stage boss though.

What other game let's you do that? I'm in love with this game.

Thats sick.. I had been avoiding talk, but I thought you got to use his stuff, not your own... pretty sweet idea, although I can see this fizzle out in a year or two as less people are playing it, I wonder what happens if you play offline? Maybe I will understand more when I get there.






This game is built for quick movement and your life depends on it 99% of the time.

yeah i am running the assasin leather or whatever. Tons of poison resistance, way lighter than regular leather, with minimal difference in defense. ~2 points per piece or less.

Whats everyone else running for armor?

* I just realized I triple posted... I am going ot condense it to one post, just catching up from checking this thread last night..

[gunm]

I still have the starting equipment. >_<

And yeah, the camera and R3 can be a total bitch sometimes. Granted, it's really not as bad as other games, but I notice that R3 has a hard time finding objects in 3D space, so occasionally it will think an object just above or below you is closer than the object seemingly right in front of you.

[Bavgate]

Thats sick.. I had been avoiding talk, but I thought you got to use his stuff, not your own... pretty sweet idea, although I can see this fizzle out in a year or two as less people are playing it, I wonder what happens if you play offline? Maybe I will understand more when I get there.

If you play offline, you just play against a generic Black Phantom. What's the fun in that?! :lol: It'd be wise to go offline for that battle if you feel you're pretty weak though, I guess. Most people are smarter than the CPU's, after all.

Well, I was responding to a post where someone said they put down the blue stone to help with 3-1 and ended up being the boss fight in someone else's game. I checked it several times and they said 3-1 for sure. So I guess that was a typo.

Edit - Wait, in fact, that someone was you!

Haha, yep. That was me. ChibiJosh already said what happened, but let me go more in-depth to how it worked:

I did in fact plant my Blue Soul Sign on 3-1. After a few minutes of waiting, the text at the bottom of my screen shows up saying I'm joining another world as a phantom, but then it says something like, "Invading another player's world as a Black Phantom." I ended up getting warped to 3-3 by the boss of that stage (Old Monk) and there was a cinematic for my summoning and everything. I've only beaten 3-1, so that was quite a surprise, since I haven't even been close to getting to 3-3. I had the boss health bar at the bottom of my screen and everything. It was so damn cool.

[Jodou]

Whats everyone else running for armor?
Some people like the look and balance of the Dark Silver set, but it still hampers stamina regen heavily. I run with the Ancient King's except for the helm, which I subbed with the Assassin's Hood for more poison resist. You get less physical defense overall, but the idea is not to get hit and have greater stamina regen/mobility.

Of course, the real pro's play naked. ;)

[Zmonkay]

How did everyone beat The False King does anyone know if Death Cloud works on him or Acid Cloud?

I think I said somewhere before, arrows work great too. As long as you can learn the timing of rolling out of the way of his lunge attack, you're golden. I only got hit like 5 times in the entire fight (well, the 3rd time I tried fighting. But it was the first time I tried a bow). It's especially useful when he goes for his AoE, cuz you can interupt it by hitting him, and at least in my experience he'd keep trying to do it like 5 in a row, so it was 5 free shots

Whats everyone else running for armor?
heh, whatever I can. No real set, but I literally took every combination of armor I had and found out what gave the highest defense and was still within 1/2 my max equip weight. I think it's one of the heavier armors, assassin's hood, mage gloves, and I forget what boots...

[SynGamer]

ATLUS SUMMONS MORE COPIES OF DEMON'S SOULS INTO STORES ACROSS NORTH AMERICA;
DELUXE EDITION SOLD OUT, OFFICIALLY DISCONTINUED
Own one of the best reviewed RPGs of all-time!

IRVINE, CALIFORNIA - OCTOBER 19, 2009 -- Atlus U.S.A., Inc. today announced that additional stock of Demon's Souls™, the newly released award-winning action RPG for PlayStation®3 computer entertainment system, will be making its way to stores across North America this week in response to overwhelming demand.

"We're thrilled at the level of interest and acclaim gamers are showing for Demon's Souls, one of the best reviewed games of the year and one of the highest-rated role-playing games of all time," stated Aram Jabbari, Manager of PR and Sales for Atlus. "We're working quickly to get more copies of the game out onto store shelves. We thank fans for supporting a daring, innovative product, and we ask interested gamers to be patient as stock is replenished."

The publisher also announced that the game's Deluxe Edition, which featured a 160-page strategy guide and collectible embossed slipcase, is now considered out of print in North America and will not be remanufactured.

"While the now discontinued Deluxe Edition of Demon's Souls was the only way to obtain the game's official strategy guide, the title already benefits from an in-game messaging system, a tremendous online community, and dozens of online resources for players who are finding the game to be a bit challenging."

Among those online resources is the official Demon's Souls wiki (LINK (http://www.demons-souls.com/wiki)), which offers a central location for community members to share what they've learned about the surprises that await in the Kingdom of Boletaria. As more and more people discover the game, the community-driven assistance tools expand in quality and breadth, ensuring that while gamers are tested during their adventures, they never have to be frustrated.

"Mr. Jabbari," interrupted a frantic worker. "The game-making engines... They just can't take much more of this! They're going to blow," cried the man in a thick Scottish accent before turning about and returning to the game-making furnaces, soon followed by Jabbari.

Demon's Souls is out now for PlayStation 3 system and retails with an MSRP of $59.99. For more information, visit the game's official website (LINK (http://www.demons-souls.com/)).

Source (http://www.atlus.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4702)

[the_punisher]

FUCK DEMON'S SOULS.

FUCK. FUCK. FUCK. FUCK. FUCK. FUCK. FUCK.

I've played for 4.5 hours, and i've killed 1 boss, 1-1. Everything else has just been a clusterfuck of deaths because this game is fucking impossible and i hope this game burns in hell.

Fuck.

[Saint Noir]

Some people like the look and balance of the Dark Silver set, but it still hampers stamina regen heavily. I run with the Ancient King's except for the helm, which I subbed with the Assassin's Hood for more poison resist. You get less physical defense overall, but the idea is not to get hit and have greater stamina regen/mobility.

Haha... I run this same get up. :lol:

And punisher... go with Royal... it will make your blood pressure go down. Promise.

EDIT... nice to see about the demand and love for the game. They also twittered this...

"Demand for Demon's Souls has been tremendous--thank you! More copies are on the way to stores; please keep spreading the #demonssouls love!"

[SynGamer]

Haha... I run this same get up. :lol:

And punisher... go with Royal... it will make your blood pressure go down. Promise.

EDIT... nice to see about the demand and love for the game. They also twittered this...

"Demand for Demon's Souls has been tremendous--thank you! More copies are on the way to stores; please keep spreading the #demonssouls love!"

Yeah, I saw the tweet first, then went to the article. Can't wait to pop this game in tomorrow :D I need to go back a couple pages and find that post if oi about tips for starting the game...

[IRHari]

the_punisher was punished...oh sweet irony!

[salty tbone]

FUCK DEMON'S SOULS.

FUCK. FUCK. FUCK. FUCK. FUCK. FUCK. FUCK.

I've played for 4.5 hours, and i've killed 1 boss, 1-1. Everything else has just been a clusterfuck of deaths because this game is fucking impossible and i hope this game burns in hell.

Fuck.


I'm only up to 3-1, so I'm certainly no expert, but the game gets easier after the initial learning curve.

I died so many times in 1-1 because I was trying to parry every attack (that and I did a couple Peter Pans off staircases). When I realized that simply rolling to avoid attacks was easier and less risky, things got much simpler.

[Zmonkay]

fuck yes, the one time I buy a collector's release, and it is a collector's release, not just a more expensive release you can find in stores for the next two years... Best day 1 purchase in years.

[gunm]

FUCK DEMON'S SOULS.

FUCK. FUCK. FUCK. FUCK. FUCK. FUCK. FUCK.

I've played for 4.5 hours, and i've killed 1 boss, 1-1. Everything else has just been a clusterfuck of deaths because this game is fucking impossible and i hope this game burns in hell.

Fuck.



Saint Noir is right--try the game with the Royal. The starting areas are much easier with Soul Arrow. You'll still need to be careful and consider practicing blocking and dodging with the easier enemies, IMO, but having a range attack is invaluable, especially in the early stages of the game.



fuck yes, the one time I buy a collector's release, and it is a collector's release, not just a more expensive release you can find in stores for the next two years... Best day 1 purchase in years.




Yeah, I'm so glad I pre-ordered the DE. Almost wish I had gotten a couple more copies for my buddies as gifts, but they can slum it with the standard edition, lol.

I don't really use the guide anymore though considering the stories I'm hearing about the cover getting worn out quickly with repeated use.

[Paco]

FUCK DEMON'S SOULS.

FUCK. FUCK. FUCK. FUCK. FUCK. FUCK. FUCK.

I've played for 4.5 hours, and i've killed 1 boss, 1-1. Everything else has just been a clusterfuck of deaths because this game is fucking impossible and i hope this game burns in hell.

Fuck.

HAHA. YOU DIED. But seriously. Get used to that. You're going to see a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT of that in this game. I used a Knight for my first playthrough. Soul Arrow? BAH. I rather use SOUL fuck

[salishan]

The bind if my guide us turning white. I guess it cheap ink:) oh well

[the_punisher]

Now that i've calmed down:

I think i'm going to keep going with my knight for now. I didn't realize that you could choose any level you wanted, so i'll just go through the various levels and build up my character, then come back to 1-2 later. It brings me to the one major flaw with Demon's Souls, the fact that they don't really tell you what to do.

In 1-1, i tried so many times to defeat the guy guarding the level 60 door, only to realize it was pretty much impossible, and useless anyway. There was also the dragon that i couldn't even hit but i thought i needed to kill.

And at the Nexus, i didn't realize until reading online how to even find whoever it is you need to talk to to open up the rest of the world, or the fact that you can switch between world. Now that i'm a little more back on track, it's time to go back to it!

Also, the Deluxe Edition was discontinued. I own one. Fuck yes :).

[DrFoo]

Now that i've calmed down:

I think i'm going to keep going with my knight for now. I didn't realize that you could choose any level you wanted, so i'll just go through the various levels and build up my character, then come back to 1-2 later. It brings me to the one major flaw with Demon's Souls, the fact that they don't really tell you what to do.

In 1-1, i tried so many times to defeat the guy guarding the level 60 door, only to realize it was pretty much impossible, and useless anyway. There was also the dragon that i couldn't even hit but i thought i needed to kill.

And at the Nexus, i didn't realize until reading online how to even find whoever it is you need to talk to to open up the rest of the world, or the fact that you can switch between world. Now that i'm a little more back on track, it's time to go back to it!

Also, the Deluxe Edition was discontinued. I own one. Fuck yes :).

Yeah for me there was a "Be soul level 30 before continuing" message before the red knight and a "go here first" message in the direction of the blue knight. I guess people are getting lazy now. I've been playing through as a knight and it's not so bad. Royal is for panzies.

Also I just went through 5-1. That was by far the easiest level of the game so far. I got hit with a club that brought me to maybe three fourths of my life once. That was about it. My armor didn't even lose any durability. And if you're having problems with the boss just try to get an ally or two and shoot him with arrows from the entrance. He can't regenerate fast enough from more than one person.

[gunm]

Ha, getting other souls to help you is for pansies! ^_^

But as for not knowing what to do, they were counting on the messaging system to help with that. And it does help to a certain extent.

Even when it doesn't it's something unique about the game.

[Saint Noir]

I don't think I posted this... it is a good read though. Definitely has some good points and nails the vibe fairly well.

http://www.destructoid.com/demon-s-souls-the-ultimate-multiplayer-experience-152009.phtml

[IRHari]

oh I'm in NG+ and I'm grinding the shit outta the black phantom skellies in 4-2 w/ soulsucker. Joudo, is this the fastest way you've found to grind out souls, or is there a faster way? I also kill the golden skellies & the 2nd reaper in the level, so every run I net about 200k souls. Can't imagine there would be a way to get more than that, but if you know of one lemme know bro, thanks!

[Apollo Creed]

Finally found a copy a few days ago. Would have loved to have gotten my hands on the Deluxe Edition just for the guide.

Anyway, I started as a Royal and 1-1 took me 4 hours simply because I'm blind and missed one of the levers to open the door. As per one suggestion, I've grabbed the long bow from 4-1 and have the purple flame shield or whatever it's called -- my strength stat is still 7-9 points too low to use it.

Any thoughts on what to do next? What's a good progression? Head over to 2-1 next? Grind away and level up? Also, I'm hating the winged-whatever spear and rapier ... tired of poking guys to death. Any suggestions for a new weapon?

The difficulty doesn't bother me so much, I've lost a ridiculous amount of souls but I've yet to throw the controller. It's the lack of direction that's hurting me.

[Saint Noir]

Any thoughts on what to do next? What's a good progression? Head over to 2-1 next? Grind away and level up? Also, I'm hating the winged-whatever spear and rapier ... tired of poking guys to death. Any suggestions for a new weapon?

Personally I would do either 1-2 or jump and do most of 2. 2 has some good/great as is equipment for a royal to start out with such as a dark heater shield and a dragon long sword.

[happy]

I like the whole guy you just can't kill yet, when I returned and crushed that guy on 1-1 I felt so good. Although the fact that I did it twice and he never touched me means I could have done it then as well if I were as good as I am now (I'm still not too good - haven't made it through 5-1 yet).

It's nice to see that atlus sold out of their first shipment so the game is doing well beyond the crazy crowd found here - do they ever release how big the first shipment was? I'm sure it isn't big enough to show up on NPDs, so for all I know it could have been anywhere from 10k to 150k

[gunm]

It sounds like you did 1-2 already? Once you get the Soul to obtain Warding you can grind in Shrine of Storms a bit before doing 3-1. It's good to free Sage Freke early as he can teach you sweet spells that help a lot later on.

There's no real order to do the game. I see people do them in all kinds of different ways.

[Apollo Creed]

Personally I would do either 1-2 or jump and do most of 2. 2 has some good/great as is equipment for a royal to start out with such as a dark heater shield and a dragon long sword.

That sounds like a good plan to me. I appreciate the advice. We'll get crackin' nice and early tomorrow morning. Taking the day off work. ;)

It sounds like you did 1-2 already? Once you get the Soul to obtain Warding you can grind in Shrine of Storms a bit before doing 3-1. It's good to free Sage Freke early as he can teach you sweet spells that help a lot later on.

Haven't completed 1-2. I managed to get all the way across the bridge and died. Got a little bored so I climbed the second tower and pecked away at the dragon with the bow for 15 minutes to down him.

[gunm]

I did 1-2 as a Royal right after 1-1. Had no real problems to speak of.

[Jodou]

oh I'm in NG+ and I'm grinding the shit outta the black phantom skellies in 4-2 w/ soulsucker. Joudo, is this the fastest way you've found to grind out souls, or is there a faster way? I also kill the golden skellies & the 2nd reaper in the level, so every run I net about 200k souls. Can't imagine there would be a way to get more than that, but if you know of one lemme know bro, thanks!
Ah, you found the gold mine I was talking about. Nothing comes close to farming that place. Are you running soul thirst and using soulsucker? When I was still grinding souls there, that was the only way I'd do it. Best part is you can just go to the vendor in the tunnel and buy 99 mana pots for the price of one kill down there. Just wait til every stat costs you 400k souls; that's what I'm up to lol.

[Jodou]

I just spent an hour farming those damn mosquitoes and must have killed over 300 using God's Wrath, but not a single fucking marrowstone chunk dropped. Unbelievable since just yesterday I did half the runs and got 3. Is there any other gear (for male) or a spell that increases drop rates? I'm drawing a blank other than the sword of searching. And no, I'm not using stat points on luck because that's a waste.

[Saint Noir]

Just large sword of searching and black wt far as I know... not looking forward to farming the rarer ores, that's for sure.

[bjstucker]

Boss 1-5 is seriously the death of me I watched a few vids of it and most people were either Deathcloud (which doesn't work on US version) + stamina boost ring or light enchant weapon + slash a lot. (which I might try but am skeptical. However I do have one of the better bows equipped but that isn't working too well. as he always sees me then charges and hammers me then soul sucks me. :/ Will probably grind for a couple days (at level 95 right now but apparently isn't helping) No one ever puts their soul stones down for me to invite.

[Saint Noir]

Just use poison cloud... if you have it. If not, yikes!

[Jodou]

Boss 1-5 is seriously the death of me I watched a few vids of it and most people were either Deathcloud (which doesn't work on US version) + stamina boost ring or light enchant weapon + slash a lot. (which I might try but am skeptical. However I do have one of the better bows equipped but that isn't working too well. as he always sees me then charges and hammers me then soul sucks me. :/ Will probably grind for a couple days (at level 95 right now but apparently isn't helping) No one ever puts their soul stones down for me to invite.
Poison cloud does work. You simply need to reapply it every couple of minutes.

[Jodou]

Just large sword of searching and black wt far as I know... not looking forward to farming the rarer ores, that's for sure.
I think black WT is just unconfirmed rumors but once Dodgers win this game, I'll try farming again. Really sucks they made random drops a trophy because it's all I have left.

[Saint Noir]

The guide says black tendency increases drop rates on lots of rare ores out of lizards for sure. From 9% to about 17%. I don't know for sure if this works on other rare drops as well though.

[the_punisher]

Anyone have any tips for an order to do the game in for a Knight? I couldn't beat 1-2, so i went to 2-1, but i spent an hour only to not even make it to the boss yet. I'm really in a love/hate relationship with this game right now, can't decide if it's even worth my time or not. It's fun, but there are so many things that just piss me off.

[gunm]

Anyone have any tips for an order to do the game in for a Knight? I couldn't beat 1-2, so i went to 2-1, but i spent an hour only to not even make it to the boss yet. I'm really in a love/hate relationship with this game right now, can't decide if it's even worth my time or not. It's fun, but there are so many things that just piss me off.





I dunno if world order will make too much of a difference. It really sounds like you'll have an easier time with a good range attack. Either invest in Magic for Soul Arrow or Flame Toss, or get the long bow and a lot of arrows.

[Saint Noir]

I dunno if world order will make too much of a difference. It really sounds like you'll have an easier time with a good range attack. Either invest in Magic for Soul Arrow or Flame Toss, or get the long bow and a lot of arrows.

Yeah, if you are sticking with that character, upgrade magic or go to level 4-1 for a good bow.

[Gourd]

Meh. I am officially /done/ with the Gecko hunting.

Not done as in completed, but done as in I just can't make myself care. At this point I specifically chase the damn things off.

When I get to a point where I cannot progress through a new game iteration due to weak weapons, I'm done with the game.

EVERYTHING besides Gecko Camping gives you as many chances as you'd like to get it right. X+ number of bosses= Geckos is still Missable in my book.

[gunm]

Yeah, I chased off the easiest gecko in 1-2. I was pissed. :(

[the_punisher]

I dunno if world order will make too much of a difference. It really sounds like you'll have an easier time with a good range attack. Either invest in Magic for Soul Arrow or Flame Toss, or get the long bow and a lot of arrows.


Yeah, if you are sticking with that character, upgrade magic or go to level 4-1 for a good bow.


Thanks, i'll try all of that.


Meh. I am officially /done/ with the Gecko hunting.

Not done as in completed, but done as in I just can't make myself care. At this point I specifically chase the damn things off.

When I get to a point where I cannot progress through a new game iteration due to weak weapons, I'm done with the game.

EVERYTHING besides Gecko Camping gives you as many chances as you'd like to get it right. X+ number of bosses= Geckos is still Missable in my book.

I know i'm still a beginner, but i killed a Gecko at the beginning of 2-1. It got stuck on a broken cart and i slashed it to death :).

[ChibiJosh]

\
I know i'm still a beginner, but i killed a Gecko at the beginning of 2-1. It got stuck on a broken cart and i slashed it to death :).
I don't think it was stuck. I think whenever they run into something they flail around for a few seconds and if you don't hit them in that time, the just disappear.

[DrFoo]

Yeah punisher listen to Saint Noir. Having a bow makes things so much easier and if you use a bow you don't have to waste stat points on intelligence/faith/magic if you don't want to (just assuming you want to concentrate on strength dexterity etc since you chose knight). Also bows are the only way to aim manually so you can snipe enemies from across the map.

On the other hand I keep hearing people say that some spells are almost required to beat certain bosses. It sounds like warding and poison cloud are pretty much must haves. Any other invaluable spells anybody can recommend?

I'm thinking about raising my stats until I can remember at least two spells. I also have a slot for a miracle which I'm thinking about using for cure. Too bad I can't get warding this round since I was a dumb ass and used the iron demon's soul and cure and poison cloud both need the wriggling demon's soul so I'll have to choose one for now.

[io]

Yeah for me there was a "Be soul level 30 before continuing" message before the red knight and a "go here first" message in the direction of the blue knight. I guess people are getting lazy now. I've been playing through as a knight and it's not so bad. Royal is for panzies.

Also I just went through 5-1. That was by far the easiest level of the game so far. I got hit with a club that brought me to maybe three fourths of my life once. That was about it. My armor didn't even lose any durability. And if you're having problems with the boss just try to get an ally or two and shoot him with arrows from the entrance. He can't regenerate fast enough from more than one person.

Wow, I guess characters make a difference because I've been playing for a while (as a Royal) and I found 5-1 to be the hardest of the beginning levels. Those club dudes kept killing me when they got into close quarters and the camera went nuts on me and I couldn't see where they were. Eventually, though, I figured out to just keep rolling and that got me away from them. Then I emptied 50 heavy arrows into the boss and all the soul arrows I could do and never got him below 33% or so. Yeah, sure, if you summon other people it must be much easier ;).

As for summoning - I've never once seen a blue stone thing. How exactly do you do that? Do you have to be in body form to summon other people? See, I never play except in Soul form - always suicide as soon as I get resurrected (trying to darken Stonefang tunnel as per the guide walkthrough).

I forget what level I'm at now but I'm still at the point where I can farm the first reaper in 4-2 for pretty much one level every time (though after doing that a few times it is starting to require I take down a few of the flying things as well). I did bump my luck up to 10 just to help with the random drops since I see that is going to be an issue. I'm not really sure where else to use my points though. I've been doing intelligence, faith, and a bit of magic. It would be nice for my soul arrow to be more powerful and I've really been pumping up the max MP so I don't have to wait for it to regen all the time.

Also, I had another white world tendency glitch that got me yet another restricted weapon. In 5-1, there's a spear called Istarelle or something that the guide says you need to get after beating the primeval demon (to get the world tendency back to white). It says a ladder appears that leads to it between the rats nest and the first big club dude. That ladder was there the very first time I got to that area, and the WT is neutral or even a bit on the dark side in that world. So, just like 4-2 where I got the makoto sword with the WT near black, this one showed up anyway for me. Very odd...

Dr Foo - wait, what do you need for poison cloud? I hope I didn't screw that up. Or is it the 5-1 boss soul that you need? I did get warding and I saw that the same things are needed for weapons too. I have a question though - are any boss souls needed for BOTH magic and miracles? Or is it only weapon upgrades that conflict? I thought I could go for all spells and miracles at once but if not I'll have to concentrate on spells I guess.

[io]

Never mind - looking at page 36 of the guide I can see that it is 5-1 boss soul that gives you poison cloud. I need to get that! But you also apparently need it for a miracle so I guess that will have to wait till next time. I'll concentrate on spells I guess. Man, it sucks that the 3-3 and 5-3 bosses souls have FOUR different uses - that means at least 4 playthroughs. Ugh...

For those that are curious and don't have the guide, it appears the following only have ONE use, so you can go ahead and expend them without worrying about it:


1-1 Scraping Spear
1-2 Warding spell
1-2 dragon, 1-4 dragon - no uses
1-4 Northern Regalia
2-2 Ed special weapon upgrades
3-1 Soul Ray spell
3-2 Needle of Eternal Agony (weapon)
4-1 Vanguard (NOT main boss - mini boss) - Dozer Axe
5-2 Acid cloud
Ending ones - will leave out of even the spoiler ;)

All others have multiple uses


So looking at that, how does acid cloud compare to poison cloud? I never see anyone mention using acid cloud.

And crap, it looks like I can't even get all the spells if I want to get God's Wrath (miracle) on the first playthrough as well. Damn, these trophies are gonna be a bitch. (Well that and apparently some bosses have multiple uses for Freke and this Yuria person I haven't met yet thus all spells are apparently not possible in one playthrough anyway).

[io]

I know I asked this before, but what are the good weapons to upgrade for the trophies? Since it is so hard to get them to +5 I want to make sure I upgrade a good one instead of just a plain nothing sword or axe. I want something I might use later. So the question is what (special weapon) should I wait for before upgrading? The only ones I'm working on now are the sticky bow and purple flame shield. I may upgrade the winged spear to a moon one but I'm hesitant with how much less physical damage it does.

But other than that, what weapon should I upgrade with graystones and cloudstones, for example?

[gunm]

Meh, I'd totally avoid Acid Cloud unless you want to PvP a lot. Main use is for breaking armor...and I hear it's broken or nerfed from the Asian version?

I think the trophies are designed around multiple playthroughs. :/

[io]

I think the trophies are designed around multiple playthroughs. :/

Well, yeah, that has become pretty apparent ;).

[gunm]

I know I asked this before, but what are the good weapons to upgrade for the trophies? Since it is so hard to get them to +5 I want to make sure I upgrade a good one instead of just a plain nothing sword or axe. I want something I might use later. So the question is what (special weapon) should I wait for before upgrading? The only ones I'm working on now are the sticky bow and purple flame shield. I may upgrade the winged spear to a moon one but I'm hesitant with how much less physical damage it does.

But other than that, what weapon should I upgrade with graystones and cloudstones, for example?



I thought the stones only upgraded specific things. Ie. the greystones were for crushing weapons and the cloudstones were for shields only?

I dunno what weapon is "the best"...I guess it would depend on your style of play? I hear the Pole is a good weapon for magic users?

[io]

I thought the stones only upgraded specific things. Ie. the greystones were for crushing weapons and the cloudstones were for shields only?

I dunno what weapon is "the best"...I guess it would depend on your style of play? I hear the Pole is a good weapon for magic users?

No, I don't mean it that way. I mean which weapon of EACH type is the best one to blow all those stones on? Like, aren't there different types of swords, invluding some special ones that you find at certain points? I don't want to waste all my stones upgrading a plain vanilla sword when there might be a better one to upgrade later. That's what I'm asking about. Ie, is there some list of the "best" of each type to upgrade to make maximum use of the stones and also get the trophies of course?

[gunm]

I was planning to save my harder to get stones for special weapons. I believe certain weapons do get bonuses the regular ones will not get when you max out their upgrades, depending on the weapon and stone used.

I've been referencing this:

http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/upgrade

[bjstucker]

Just use poison cloud... if you have it. If not, yikes!


Yep I have it I will try it tonight.:bouncy: thanks again for all the help

[Snake2715]

Yeah, I chased off the easiest gecko in 1-2. I was pissed. :(

Guys I havent seen this mentioned at all. I have a pretty easy way to kill the geckos..

I use my bow a lot for long range, more than any magic.

I have found that-- fire arrows --kick the geckos ass. Now remember arrows from bows are all about range, the further away the less damage. I get comfortably close, zoom in with the dpad (up) and then aim slightly above them. Hit them with the fire arrow and they rollover, but with the fire arrow they are upside down a bit longer and shake around to get rid of the fire. It gives you plenty of time to shoot 2 more and wipe it out. I am killing them with 3-4 arrows everytime and rarely miss them now...

What pissed me off was when I got Wrath of God (or whatever its called) and dropped into the nest. I casted it and it only partially damaged the geckos... I was somehow blocked by a cart down there on that cast and therefore it barely damaged any of the geckos... The next time it killed almost all of them in one hit, like the first time I dropped down.. I got screwed that second time netting only 1 kill....


No, I don't mean it that way. I mean which weapon of EACH type is the best one to blow all those stones on? Like, aren't there different types of swords, invluding some special ones that you find at certain points? I don't want to waste all my stones upgrading a plain vanilla sword when there might be a better one to upgrade later. That's what I'm asking about. Ie, is there some list of the "best" of each type to upgrade to make maximum use of the stones and also get the trophies of course?


io since you have the guide flip through it till you come across the end of the weapons area. It lists all the special weapons and what damage they do at max level... it also shows how much of each ore you need to get it there. Some are nice, but I am going for a completely huge axe. It does close to 400 in base damage before modifiers... so for me thats where I am at. I loved the axe I started out with as a hunter... except tight corridors may suck, but I have the dragonsword for that maybe... or the Falchion.

[ChibiJosh]

I think the trophies are designed around multiple playthroughs. :/
Yeah, you need 4 playthroughs to get all the spells/miracles/weapons.

[Jodou]

No, I don't mean it that way. I mean which weapon of EACH type is the best one to blow all those stones on? Like, aren't there different types of swords, invluding some special ones that you find at certain points? I don't want to waste all my stones upgrading a plain vanilla sword when there might be a better one to upgrade later. That's what I'm asking about. Ie, is there some list of the "best" of each type to upgrade to make maximum use of the stones and also get the trophies of course?
I wouldn't worry about it. The only weapons you will ever want to use are unique and they can only be upgraded with colorless demon's souls. I do use my dragon sword +5 for certain enemies/bosses, though.

[Jodou]

Guys I havent seen this mentioned at all. I have a pretty easy way to kill the geckos..

I use my bow a lot for long range, more than any magic.

I have found that-- fire arrows --kick the geckos ass. Now remember arrows from bows are all about range, the further away the less damage. I get comfortably close, zoom in with the dpad (up) and then aim slightly above them. Hit them with the fire arrow and they rollover, but with the fire arrow they are upside down a bit longer and shake around to get rid of the fire. It gives you plenty of time to shoot 2 more and wipe it out. I am killing them with 3-4 arrows everytime and rarely miss them now...

What pissed me off was when I got Wrath of God (or whatever its called) and dropped into the nest. I casted it and it only partially damaged the geckos... I was somehow blocked by a cart down there on that cast and therefore it barely damaged any of the geckos... The next time it killed almost all of them in one hit, like the first time I dropped down.. I got screwed that second time netting only 1 kill....
Use the ring of sincere prayer and you will always one-shot them. That or you could have 75 faith like me lol.

Speaking of farming, I had no luck last night farming chunks and it's really starting to piss me off. I don't understand what changed because one day I'm rolling in 3 chunks after maybe 15 runs and absolutely nothing the next after 50+. Fucking drop rates. . .

[bjstucker]

Use the ring of sincere prayer and you will always one-shot them. That or you could have 75 faith like me lol.

Speaking of farming, I had no luck last night farming chunks and it's really starting to piss me off. I don't understand what changed because one day I'm rolling in 3 chunks after maybe 15 runs and absolutely nothing the next after 50+. Fucking drop rates. . .

Luck really doesn't help with this?

[Snake2715]

I havent run into that Ring jodou... but I am upgrading faith, and more so than magic. I am hoping the blessed axe I create will be worth it.

[DrFoo]

Yeah io you need to be in body form to summon chumps to help you. In soul form you can only offer your help (in exchange for some of the souls and your body back if you kill the boss).

I'm guessing the reason 5-1 was really easy for me is that I've put all my points in endurance/vitality/strength/dexterity (in that order) other than I think 3 points in luck and I'm in my upper 40's at this point. It only took me 1-2 hits to kill the standard guys and when I got hit it only took maybe 1/10th of my life bar. I also abused my bow when ever possible.

And damn 4 play throughs to get everything? Luckily I don't really give a damn about trophies. I'm far too lazy to mess with tendency anyways unless I decide there's a weapon or armor set I really want. It seems like such a hassle.

[the_punisher]

Dear CAG Community,

Demon's Souls is fucking awesome, and i thank you for making me continue to play it. I almost gave up yesterday, and i'm in love with it today.

The Undersigned

(Kicked some ass on 2-1 and killed the boss with arrows, and now i'm working on 2-2 and 4-1. Still haven't been to 3-1 yet. Overall, the game is really really good now that i know wtf i'm doing.I'm loving it.)

4-1 there's some huge guy blocking the path, and arrows don't really hurt him. Any suggestions for him? Other than that, just (slowly) making my way through 2-2.

[Saint Noir]

You can take the back way around that huge dude if need be... go up the castle wall on the left (before dude huge) and drop in through the side there. He is pretty easy, he just may take a lot of magic or arrows.

Be sure to grab the compound long bow off a corpse in that area too... pretty sure it is before the big dude. Upgrade that bow to a good sticky bow as soon as you can. It has mad distance and will help your character a ton.

[Apollo Creed]

Cruised through 2-1. 2-2, I keep getting killed by those orange floaty things ... take me out in one shot when I'm in soul form. Should I use the purple flame shield even though I'm a few points too low on strength?

One more thing ... any tips for dealing with the rolling skeletons in 4-1?

[Saint Noir]

Just stay quick and run by them to get out of the blast radius. If you mean the one that is unavoidable in the tunnel, keep a good shield up and hope to survive the blast. A heater shield will block 100% if you are in decent position (so will others, but you prolly don't have access to those yet).

There is only the one that should hit you from time to time... all others are on the wrong path or are easily avoidable.

[ChibiJosh]

Cruised through 2-1. 2-2, I keep getting killed by those orange floaty things ... take me out in one shot when I'm in soul form. Should I use the purple flame shield even though I'm a few points too low on strength?

One more thing ... any tips for dealing with the rolling skeletons in 4-1?

Purple flame shield probably won't help too much. I think it's pure physical damage that's being done, not fire damage. If you have warding or protection spell, use those.

As for the skeletons, they're pretty easy to dodge and get in a hit right after they strike after a little practice. Just roll back or to the side when they come at you and they should miss, and you can hit them during that time (made easier by using magic).

[Saint Noir]

As for the skeletons, they're pretty easy to dodge and get in a hit right after they strike after a little practice. Just roll back or to the side when they come at you and they should miss, and you can hit them during that time (made easier by using magic).

Yeah, Skeletons just require you get the timing right (unless they are on a ledge in which case they are just annoying). If you have magic that works well, if not try a dragon sword as they are weak to fire.

[io]

I'm guessing the reason 5-1 was really easy for me is that I've put all my points in endurance/vitality/strength/dexterity (in that order) other than I think 3 points in luck and I'm in my upper 40's at this point. It only took me 1-2 hits to kill the standard guys and when I got hit it only took maybe 1/10th of my life bar. I also abused my bow when ever possible.


Well, yeah, that might explain it as I have been doing pretty much the opposite. After getting strength to 22 for the purple flame shield/winged spear, I've been putting all my points in intelligence/faith/magic with the occasional point in vitality/endurance/luck. When the club dudes hit me without my shield up I lose about 75% of my health in one hit ;). And it takes about 6-10 soul arrows to bring them down. I don't think I've put anything into dexterity - it seemed fairly useless. It would be nice to get my equip burden up slightly so I could use better armor so I may do that next. I just found a bunch of interesting stuff in the 3-1 white tendency area (sage robes and such). The problem is I need to beat 5-1 and so I either need to make my magic way more powerful or do something that makes my arrows more powerful. Someone mentioned fire is good against him - I wonder if flame arrows do better than heavy arrows?

I wouldn't worry about it. The only weapons you will ever want to use are unique and they can only be upgraded with colorless demon's souls. I do use my dragon sword +5 for certain enemies/bosses, though.

OK, I wasn't sure about that. I looked at the guide and just got dizzy looking at all the weapon combos which is why I asked about it. I guess I was thinking not of the super-unique weapons (that require colorless demon souls), but the moderatly unique ones that can be upgraded. Like, can't you make some sort of sword of searching and upgrade that? Since that supposedly increases drop rates that sounds like a good one ot invest in.

[the_punisher]

Cruised through 2-1. 2-2, I keep getting killed by those orange floaty things ... take me out in one shot when I'm in soul form. Should I use the purple flame shield even though I'm a few points too low on strength?[/SPOILER]

Run right past them as they're moving, and you should be able to get away undamaged. I'm working on 2-2 right now also, and that strategy seems to work.

[erectiontown]

how do you guys feel about the FAQ on gamefaqs that tells you how to do all white and black WT and CT events in one go? think it's worth doing on my first playthrough? I just beat 1-1 last night (i was able to snag the purple flame shield without dying as well)

[Saint Noir]

how do you guys feel about the FAQ on gamefaqs that tells you how to do all white and black WT and CT events in one go? think it's worth doing on my first playthrough? I just beat 1-1 last night (i was able to snag the purple flame shield without dying as well)

There is one of these in the main guide as well. If you want to do it, go for it. I am sorta doing this now, though I already did all the white WT things in my first go. So, I will be focusing on the black WT events and manipulating my CT.

It requires some stones to resurrect you, only cause for concern. I just saved all mine for the second play through to do it then (now). Also, stuff can be a bit harder in black tendency, so watch out for that as well.

[io]

I've been following the one in the guide as well and that's why I've been progressing very slowly. Though I'm sort of doing it out of order because I keep getting the white tendency stuff to happen anyway before it is supposed to (not the pure white stuff but the ones where paths open up to new weapons and treasure, etc). So while that is available I'm clearing those out (just did the stuff in 3-1 last night for example after getting the last key in 3-2).

Once I kill off the 5-1 boss I need to use those stones and try to trigger the black tendency events in world 2. I'll see how that goes to see how easy this whole thing is going to be. I've killed myself a few times there and the WT doesn't seem to be going down much.

[gunm]

My understanding is Dex improves hits/crits with the Bow...?

[erectiontown]

There is one of these in the main guide as well. If you want to do it, go for it. I am sorta doing this now, though I already did all the white WT things in my first go. So, I will be focusing on the black WT events and manipulating my CT.

It requires some stones to resurrect you, only cause for concern. I just saved all mine for the second play through to do it then (now). Also, stuff can be a bit harder in black tendency, so watch out for that as well.
yeah, the only thing i'm worried about is the ramped up difficulty going pure black. i didn't have much difficulty going through 1-1 (female royal), since i soul arrowed just about everything. i only died once, on the red dragon part, but i was even able to gain my souls back when i made it across the bridge on the second try. i worry that i'm gonna get my ass handed to me if i have to start relying on melee combat

[gunm]

Some melee/close contact is unavoidable, so it's best to get used to it early on. At least blocking, dodging, evasion techniques...

[erectiontown]

yeah, i figured as much... i'm gonna try to farm a bit and raise some stats/get better equipment and go for it

[DrFoo]

Run right past them as they're moving, and you should be able to get away undamaged. I'm working on 2-2 right now also, and that strategy seems to work.
Yeah that works for the first three but there is one more that pretty much just sits there. I always tried to walk just within exploding range and then roll away quick but I usually ended up getting hit for half my life. Just equipping the purple shield for that part might be a good idea though. Otherwise you can always just go to the right and skip everything by falling down.

[io]

My understanding is Dex improves hits/crits with the Bow...?

I was just reading up on that. It seems the Dex does increase bow damage which I may need on 5-1 so maybe I'll start putting more into it. In fact, I just figured out some minimal levels I need to aim for for various stats. These are based on getting a certain number of spell slots and/or being able to handle certain special weapons. I think I'll go for the following: Strength 24 (I'm already at 22), Dexterity 16 or 18 (24 max for some weapons - problem is I'm at the start here - maybe 12?), Faith 24/36 (for 3/4 slots), Magic 24, Intelligence 30/40 (for 5/6 slots). So for now, to handle 5-1 boss, I'll go with dexterity and strength to hopefully get my bow power up enough to counteract his recharge ability. Also, I need to farm spiderstone shards to upgrade my sticky bow past +3. It's weird because I have enough chunks, but I can't get shards for the life of me. I keep farming the miners at the start of 2-2 but I keep getting graystone/hardstone/sharpstone from them instead. The WT is too white there I think (so fewer drops).

yeah, the only thing i'm worried about is the ramped up difficulty going pure black. i didn't have much difficulty going through 1-1 (female royal), since i soul arrowed just about everything. i only died once, on the red dragon part, but i was even able to gain my souls back when i made it across the bridge on the second try. i worry that i'm gonna get my ass handed to me if i have to start relying on melee combat

And you will have to at some point. Make sure to follow the guide to get the winged spear/purple flame shield combo as that can get you through a lot of the later stuff as a royal - make sure to up your strength to 22 early on. Just wait till you go into 4-1 and have to fight the rolling skeletons ;). They can be quite tough at first as you'll only be able to get one soul arrow off at them before they roll at you. But a few soul levels later and I can handle them with ease now. I fire off a soul arrow, switch to the winged spear + 6, let them hit me once (or dodge, roll out of the way but it isn't necessary), then spear them 2 or 3 times and they are toast. But the first time I went into that world it was tough going.

As for the exploding lights in 2-2, the purple flame shield blocks them 100% as long as you are lined up correctly. I got badly hurt/killed a few times when I was turned a bit. It gets a bit harder when you have to deal with the one later in the tunnel.

[gunm]

IIRC 5-1 boss is weak against fire. Maybe try flaming arrows next time?

Man, I dunno what it is about this game, but I think about it constantly. >_<

[IRHari]

Jodou, you said you'd keep farming after the Dodgers won....How'd that work out for ya? :)

[Jodou]

Jodou, you said you'd keep farming after the Dodgers won....How'd that work out for ya? :)
Dodgers lost with one out to go. . .HOW DO YOU THINK FARMING WENT?!

Lol, I really hate this game sometimes. Spent another half hour last night and didn't get shit. Spent 20 minutes after getting home from work just now and got the five I needed. I literally changed nothing I was doing. At any rate, I'm now the proud owner of a Toughest Soul Trophy.

Right now I'm cheesing King Allant again and then I'm finally going to open Uncharted 2. Need to beat that this weekend before Borderlands hits the PC, because I can see that game eating a lot of time up with friends. I'm really getting sick of every game coming out at the end of the year TBH.

[IRHari]

Few things...
Reason I asked is cause I'm from Philly, and I'm optimistic for tomorrow ;)
I'm still farming the gold mine you're talking about. I'm like, Slvl 160, and I'm still on my first Newgame+. I heard it doesnt get a lot harder and you don't get a lot more souls in future play throughs. Should I just keep grinding my shit here for a while, what do you think?

I'd recommend starting Uncharted 2. I wasn't a huge fan of Uncharted 1, but wow, everything about this game is addictive. I played through 2/3rds of the game straight because the story and the gameplay/graphics were so enticing. Highly recommended.

Bah, wish you'd get Borderlands on PS3, it just arrived in the mail today ;)

[BlueScrote]

I finished 5-2 and 1-3 last night. Neither of the bosses gave me any trouble, but 5-2 is a pain.

In 1-3 I accidentally hit biorr when fighting the boss, So I ended up getting all his equipment

One pet peeve with this game, is that when you aren't allowed to pick up an item because it will overburden you, you don't see what item it is, or its weight (or if their are multiple items in the pile).

Was really obnoxious because I was trying to pick up the huge tower shield, in addition to carrying all of biorr's stuff.

[the_punisher]

Anyone wana tell me how to get this Purple Flame Shield everyone's talking about :P?

[DrFoo]

You get the purple flame shield in 1-1 by the dragon roost. The ways I've heard of getting it without getting scorched are to shoot the dragon with ~150 arrows in 1-1 (makes him fly away) or 1-2 (kills him permanently) while he does flybys over the bridge or try to memorize the pattern of the dragon scorching the bridge and run to the nesting grounds at the right time. I haven't gotten it yet but I'm thinking about it.

[io]

Anyone wana tell me how to get this Purple Flame Shield everyone's talking about :P?

It is in 1-1, being guarded by the red dragon. You either need to go in when the WT is very white and the dragon isn't there (apparently this happened the very first time I played but I didn't realize it and when I went back the dragon was back) or you need to kill the red dragon. You may be able to run up there and grab it right before getting killed, too, which of course means you keep it (though lose all souls collected in that level). It's probably better just to take him down though. You will want to get a good bow and then sit in the second tower in 1-2 and shoot him down. It took me about 100 arrows to do that. Just follow the FAQ and get the better bow and upgrade it as much as you can.

Dr Foo - I don't think the pattern of scorching the bridge has anything to do with when he's on the roost. When you are in 1-1, he is just sitting there on the roost and doesn't leave. At least that's what I recall. He's just sitting there waiting to fry you - I didn't get close enough to see hwo quickly he does that.

I know you can grab the spear off the bridge and possibly make it past (or simply die but keep the spear which is what I did). I'm not sure if that works for the shield, though, since he's waiting for you there.

In the meantime, though, punisher, you can buy the heater shield in the Nexus (I think, right?). It will work just the same for early stuff and doesn't require as much strength. Then you can just upgrade to the purple flame shield once you get rid of the dragon.

[Jodou]

Few things...
Reason I asked is cause I'm from Philly, and I'm optimistic for tomorrow ;)
I'm still farming the gold mine you're talking about. I'm like, Slvl 160, and I'm still on my first Newgame+. I heard it doesnt get a lot harder and you don't get a lot more souls in future play throughs. Should I just keep grinding my shit here for a while, what do you think?

I'd recommend starting Uncharted 2. I wasn't a huge fan of Uncharted 1, but wow, everything about this game is addictive. I played through 2/3rds of the game straight because the story and the gameplay/graphics were so enticing. Highly recommended.

Bah, wish you'd get Borderlands on PS3, it just arrived in the mail today ;)
Ha, I just want Dodgers to win so Jim Thome can finally get his ring. He's earned it. And fuck Phillies, they won last year lol.

You're close to where I was when I moved on to NG++ and you'll find yourself just dominating everything the next time you play through. I didn't really notice a huge increase in souls either after NG+, so it really comes down to how much you want to farm. I'd recommend at least having 50 VIT since HP gain after that tapers off a bit. With 1500 HP, the only reason you'll die is if you get stupid or fall off a cliff. This game feels so much more rewarding once you get high level, because you finally feel like a badass hero.

[Jodou]

It is in 1-1, being guarded by the red dragon. You either need to go in when the WT is very white and the dragon isn't there (apparently this happened the very first time I played but I didn't realize it and when I went back the dragon was back) or you need to kill the red dragon. You may be able to run up there and grab it right before getting killed, too, which of course means you keep it (though lose all souls collected in that level). It's probably better just to take him down though. You will want to get a good bow and then sit in the second tower in 1-2 and shoot him down. It took me about 100 arrows to do that. Just follow the FAQ and get the better bow and upgrade it as much as you can.
Yeah, you can get it without having to do a thing. Just bait him into breathing fire down the bridge with enemies on it, then sprint over to the roost and you can quickly juke the loot. Fall off the ledge to your left and you'll be safe.

[erectiontown]

what i did to get the purple flame shield: went to the bridge and baited the dragon. as soon as he starts spitting fire, i hauled ass to the roost, grabbed the shield and a couple of other items near the left of the cliff, then jump down to the ledge on the left side. there's a vid on youtube for it. piece of cake.

[Jodou]

Ha, beat ya to it. Owned.

[Snake2715]

I just walked real slow. No dragons ever came. I still have not seen any dragons either.

[Bavgate]

It requires some stones to resurrect you, only cause for concern. I just saved all mine for the second play through to do it then (now). Also, stuff can be a bit harder in black tendency, so watch out for that as well.

For the tendency events, I actually just kept setting up my Blue Eye Stone at 1-2 in front of the fog to the Tower Knight. I gain souls and resurrect myself to suicide in whatever area I needed. Saved me the trouble of wasting my Empheral Eyes (or whatever they're called). If you don't feel like waiting for people to summon you, go the item route, but if you have some time to spare, go co-op that boss and gain some souls in the process. :)

You could do this with other bosses too, but Tower Knight seemed like the most logical one to beat and I always am summoned as a Blue Phantom within a minute or two.

[Snake2715]

Dodgers lost with one out to go. . .HOW DO YOU THINK FARMING WENT?!

Lol, I really hate this game sometimes. Spent another half hour last night and didn't get shit. Spent 20 minutes after getting home from work just now and got the five I needed. I literally changed nothing I was doing. At any rate, I'm now the proud owner of a Toughest Soul Trophy.

Right now I'm cheesing King Allant again and then I'm finally going to open Uncharted 2. Need to beat that this weekend before Borderlands hits the PC, because I can see that game eating a lot of time up with friends. I'm really getting sick of every game coming out at the end of the year TBH.

You changed nothing but the time of the day.... hmmmm..

last time that happened was it similar timing? It would be interesting if the type of drop is influenced by the PS3 clock... ind of like Animal Crossing used to be.

[io]

What bridge are you guys talking about? The only bridge I know of him being on is the one in 2-2 after you fight phalanx. You aren't talking about the one with all the arrow-shooting dudes in 1-1 near the roost are you? I went through that many times and the dragon never came there. Maybe that was when I was first playing and the WT was near white though.

[Snake2715]

Cruised through 2-1. 2-2, I keep getting killed by those orange floaty things ... take me out in one shot when I'm in soul form. Should I use the purple flame shield even though I'm a few points too low on strength?

One more thing ... any tips for dealing with the rolling skeletons in 4-1?


Just get a smaller shield and parry. It should allow you for a critical hit in return. Its pretty easy to get used to it once you do it a few times.

[bjstucker]

Thank you again Saint, the way you told me is slowly but surely killing him.

[gunm]

What bridge are you guys talking about? The only bridge I know of him being on is the one in 2-2 after you fight phalanx. You aren't talking about the one with all the arrow-shooting dudes in 1-1 near the roost are you? I went through that many times and the dragon never came there. Maybe that was when I was first playing and the WT was near white though.



I think they mean the bridge in 1-1 near the dragon's roost?

[Saint Noir]

Yeah that one. In certain circumstances (WT I reckon) the dragon swoops down and will fire on everything on the bridge. Good way to clear off the bridge or die if you weren't expecting it.

[the_punisher]

Someone tell me if this is normal: 9 god damn hours into the game, and I have 1-1 and 2-1 beaten. I'm really getting fed up, everything is too god damn hard. It took me a couple hours, but I got to the end of 2-2 (didn't face the boss since I knew I couldn't win, it takes everything I have just to ge to the boss room and I don't have a flame shield so I can't even win). I tried 1-2 again, and got my ass kicked. I have absolutely no idea how to use magic. And 4-1 I see no way around the gigantic fucker in the beginning.

I should really sell this game and spare myself the trouble, but I can't :(. It's such a pain in the ass for no reason, i feel like i'm never guna be able to beat it.

[gunm]

Make sure to use R3 to lock targeting for range attacks. You don't have the Fragrant Ring (for mana regen) yet, I assume, so I'd balance the magic with a good bow or you'll be eating a lot of flowers. If you have a bow, you can use the dpad to zoom in. Don't be afraid to grind a little in more familar areas to level up a bit before taking on a new area, and if you're in a new area, go slow and take mental notes of the enemies and obstacles you encounter, so you'll be more prepared in the event you make a mistake and have to go back and do things over.

I wouldn't get discouraged. It's a different type of game so you can't just blow through it all on the first get go...even the really good guys who are playing through the + games still die here and there.

[io]

Yeah, you an beat the big guy in 4-1 very easily with a bow. You can just sit far away from him and take him down without needing to move or anything. Magic is good for the 1-2 boss - stay on the top (after taking out the archers) and just dodge his attacks and fire soul arrow. I did that one pretty early (but I was a Royal). I have yet to even try to get to the 2-2 boss. I'm still working on 5-1...

[the_punisher]

Make sure to use R3 to lock targeting for range attacks. You don't have the Fragrant Ring (for mana regen) yet, I assume, so I'd balance the magic with a good bow or you'll be eating a lot of flowers. If you have a bow, you can use the dpad to zoom in. Don't be afraid to grind a little in more familar areas to level up a bit before taking on a new area, and if you're in a new area, go slow and take mental notes of the enemies and obstacles you encounter, so you'll be more prepared in the event you make a mistake and have to go back and do things over.

I wouldn't get discouraged. It's a different type of game so you can't just blow through it all on the first get go...even the really good guys who are playing through the + games still die here and there.

I'll take your word for it, but i still have no idea how to use magic. At all.


Yeah, you an beat the big guy in 4-1 very easily with a bow. You can just sit far away from him and take him down without needing to move or anything. Magic is good for the 1-2 boss - stay on the top (after taking out the archers) and just dodge his attacks and fire soul arrow. I did that one pretty early (but I was a Royal). I have yet to even try to get to the 2-2 boss. I'm still working on 5-1...

He takes 12 damage an arrow, it barely affects him.

[gunm]

Melee against 1-2 is a little tricky at first since you have to remember to use R3 to target his ankles. Stay behind him as much as possible, dodging his rear attack (which is his weakest) and then go for the head when he falls over. Rinse and repeat. Keeping a cool head means a lot in this game as every hit counts, and usually you can only get in a couple of strikes at a time (particularly if you are burdened) before the enemies recover and retaliate. Use your shield early and often and learn the timing for rolling or backstepping out of harms way. You can also pseudo strafe by targeting w/R3 and running around the target. Consider different weapons as each has it's own kind of attack style. I have a Scimitar now, but I'm not too fond of the short reach. Hopefully I can find the spear or upgrade to Dragon Sword soon...

[ChibiJosh]

I'll take your word for it, but i still have no idea how to use magic. At all.

He takes 12 damage an arrow, it barely affects him.

1) Do you actually have any magic? You need a catalyst (wand), and you have to equip the catalyst as your weapon. And, you cast magic just like you attack. If you don't have magic then you have to get your magic stat to 10, and buy some in the Nexus.
2) Buy a lot of arrows then and stop whining. ;) There are a lot of enemies that are going to be just like that in the future (i.e. the dragons flying around in 1-2 and such)

[the_punisher]

Melee against 1-2 is a little tricky at first since you have to remember to use R3 to target his ankles. Stay behind him as much as possible, dodging his rear attack (which is his weakest) and then go for the head when he falls over. Rinse and repeat. Keeping a cool head means a lot in this game as every hit counts, and usually you can only get in a couple of strikes at a time (particularly if you are burdened) before the enemies recover and retaliate. Use your shield early and often and learn the timing for rolling or backstepping out of harms way. You can also pseudo strafe by targeting w/R3 and running around the target. Consider different weapons as each has it's own kind of attack style. I have a Scimitar now, but I'm not too fond of the short reach. Hopefully I can find the spear or upgrade to Dragon Sword soon...

I've been using a Scimitar X5 pretty much the entire game, it's the only sword i really have.


1) Do you actually have any magic? You need a catalyst (wand), and you have to equip the catalyst as your weapon. And, you cast magic just like you attack. If you don't have magic then you have to get your magic stat to 10, and buy some in the Nexus.
2) Buy a lot of arrows then and stop whining. ;) There are a lot of enemies that are going to be just like that in the future (i.e. the dragons flying around in 1-2 and such)

I do have a catalyst, and i am level 10, but where do you buy magic?

Also, i didn't think 12 damage an arrow was normal. I guess if you're saying it is, then i'll just grind in 4-1 and buy a shitload of arrows and take him down, geez :P.

[ChibiJosh]

I do have a catalyst, and i am level 10, but where do you buy magic?

Also, i didn't think 12 damage an arrow was normal. I guess if you're saying it is, then i'll just grind in 4-1 and buy a shitload of arrows and take him down, geez :P.

In the Nexus, to the right of all the archstones, there's a guy sitting there. You can buy magic from him.

The big guy in 4-1 has exactly 2970HP according to the guide, so you'll know how many arrows you need.

[io]

I dunno, I don't remember using that much against him. Maybe I used soul arrow. Actually, yeah, I think I did. I don't remember it taking all that long though. The one that took freaking forever with arrows was the red dragon - and it's nearly impossible to see how far down you have him. I fired somwhat over 100 arrows and eventually he died.

[salty tbone]

Someone tell me if this is normal: 9 god damn hours into the game, and I have 1-1 and 2-1 beaten. I'm really getting fed up, everything is too god damn hard. It took me a couple hours, but I got to the end of 2-2 (didn't face the boss since I knew I couldn't win, it takes everything I have just to ge to the boss room and I don't have a flame shield so I can't even win). I tried 1-2 again, and got my ass kicked. I have absolutely no idea how to use magic. And 4-1 I see no way around the gigantic fucker in the beginning.

I should really sell this game and spare myself the trouble, but I can't :(. It's such a pain in the ass for no reason, i feel like i'm never guna be able to beat it.

Not sure if you've used the Wiki, but it's a great resource. http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/
I've been using mostly the Deluxe Edition guide.

Having a good bow and/or magic is key to making the game a lot less frustrating. I don't use magic much, myself. I started as a hunter though and invested in my bow early. So far, I've killed two bosses, the vanguard mini-boss and the red dragon just standing still and pumping arrows. Part of me knows it's cheap, but ... eh.

[Jodou]

Lol, you guys and ranged attacks crack me up. Learn2Melee! ;)

[salty tbone]

Lol, you guys and ranged attacks crack me up. Learn2Melee! ;)

Well yeah, that too. :) Once I learned the beauty of rolling, endurance became my biggest stat. But getting a couple arrows into a tough guy before meleeing never hurts. ;)

[rgd2blck]

Someone tell me if this is normal: 9 god damn hours into the game, and I have 1-1 and 2-1 beaten. I'm really getting fed up, everything is too god damn hard. It took me a couple hours, but I got to the end of 2-2 (didn't face the boss since I knew I couldn't win, it takes everything I have just to ge to the boss room and I don't have a flame shield so I can't even win). I tried 1-2 again, and got my ass kicked. I have absolutely no idea how to use magic. And 4-1 I see no way around the gigantic fucker in the beginning.

I should really sell this game and spare myself the trouble, but I can't :(. It's such a pain in the ass for no reason, i feel like i'm never guna be able to beat it.


I am roughly 11 hours in, I only have 1-1 and 1-2 beaten, and a little of 2-1 explored. I die all the time but every time I die I learn something and get better. If you are melee you should notice a definite improvement in how you fight by now, and playing a game where I can actually see improvement is why I am having so much fun despite all my deaths.

I can list out the basic tips I learned through repeated dying if it would help.

Also, try some co-op! Joining another player and helping may show you some level/boss tricks you didn't know about. Then you can recruit help when you are back in body form.

[sotc1988]

Getting the game tomorrow in the mail (I hope). Been waiting to play this for a while.

[the_punisher]

Everyone wa right, surprise! I now have 1-1, 1-2, and 2-1 finished, and explored most of 2-2 and 4-1 (but they're too hard right now). Currently working on 3-1, it's a long level and I keep getting lost too. The guide is pretty useless for this level.

I played a good 6-8 hours today, and considering i'm in college, that's saying A LOT. I fucking love this game, Atlus has done it again. Yes, I'm clearly bipolar.

I should also mention, due to a shitty connection, I'm now playing offline. Not sure how much this will end up affecting me but I can't help it, the Internet disconnects often, and randomly, and I automatically get booted out. :bomb:

[FrankySox]

I really REALLY wanted to like this game but today I gave up on it and threw it up for trade. I've spent five hours and have only completed 1-1 and am on the boss of 2-1.

My major problem is there is no checkpoint before the boss on 2-1, so when I die I have to take 20-30 minutes fighting my way back to that stupid spider I knew this game was going to be hard but having to spend 30 minutes to get back to a boss is ridiculous. Unless I missed a checkpoint somewhere. Perhaps I went with the wrong class or played it in the wrong order. Either way this game is probably not for me.

[io]

Well, yeah, there is the elevator which I think gets you right from the beginning to most of the way back there, anyway. You'd still have to fight through a bit of it. But if you found that one frustrating you wouldn't like some of the later ones. The 5-1 boss dedstroyed me twice and as far as I can tell there's no shortcut to get back to that one and it is considerably harder to get through than 2-1 (partly just cause it is so hard to see where you are going).

[FrankySox]

Well, yeah, there is the elevator which I think gets you right from the beginning to most of the way back there, anyway. You'd still have to fight through a bit of it. But if you found that one frustrating you wouldn't like some of the later ones. The 5-1 boss dedstroyed me twice and as far as I can tell there's no shortcut to get back to that one and it is considerably harder to get through than 2-1 (partly just cause it is so hard to see where you are going).

Yeah I definitely will end up hating this game then. Too bad because I thought I was really going to enjoy this game.

[SynGamer]

Died at the end of the tutorial. Went to the first (and only?) portal/gateway and I've died three times now, just after getting to some guy in Golden Armor. How do I get to him? He's up on a ledge and I can't figure out how to get up there.

Oh, and the knight with red eyes looks fucking intimidating just standing there, blocking your only way through that part. "Fuck that, I'm going the other way!" :D

[gunm]

Died at the end of the tutorial. Went to the first (and only?) portal/gateway and I've died three times now, just after getting to some guy in Golden Armor. How do I get to him? He's up on a ledge and I can't figure out how to get up there.

Oh, and the knight with red eyes looks fucking intimidating just standing there, blocking your only way through that part. "Fuck that, I'm going the other way!" :D


When you get to the first fog (guarded by a blue knight) the first set of stairs down there's a ledge where you can see him (Ostrava) and drop down to him.

[io]

Almost everyone dies at the end of the tutorial - but don't worry, you get to beat on that guy later. He's the one in 4-1 that punisher was having trouble with. He's a lot easier to kill later, though, because you have more room to deal with him.

I believe the guy in golden armor is the one you need to save (Ostrava). You can get to him from above (you jump off a wall or something). It is good to clear the enemies out from below first though.

The red eye knight is not blocking your way to anything except a door you can't get through now anyway so don't worry about him. If you can kill him, though, you'll get a high number of souls for early on. Wait till you beat the 1-1 boss, though, and gain some levels before taking him on.

With soul arrow and the thief's ring (which you find in 1-1) you can beat him easily by sneaking just within range, firing a soul arrow, then running back to the bridge. He won't follow you all the way. Just go back and di it again. After 3 or 4 times he's dead and you can loot the corpse just past him and see that the door is locked ;). The online guide I read went through some convoluted way of luring him all the way across the rampart into the next tower and making him fall to his death. That is way too complicated IMO since you have to keep him on your heels all the way across there. The thief's ring/soul arrow method works much better. I should go back there and see how easy he is to fight hand-to-hand now that I'm levelled up and with better equipment. I have a feeling he's still pretty tough though.

[gunm]

Red eye knight is lvl 30. I think they patched the game so you cannot do the stairs pathing "exploit" on him any more.

[option.iv]

I really suggest trying to get to 4-2 asap. Some of the easiest and fastest soul farming in the game. One can amass about 6060 souls if they're wearing silver bracelet (female only) and Ring of Avarice in 1min and 20 secs including load time. All you need is a bow and have beaten 4-1.

4-1 isn't too difficult, but I'd suggest packing some magic firepower and have a soul level of at least 30 (or high 20s).

I myself haven't gotten far. One of my chars only had 1-1, 1-2, 2-1, 2-2, and 4-1 completed. Just way too busy soul farming and too scared to proceed.

[DarkNessBear]

Demon Souls is going to be the first game (in at least 5 years) that I have not seen one second of footage of it or know what the game is about.

Let's see if the gamble pays off.

[io]

I really suggest trying to get to 4-2 asap. Some of the easiest and fastest soul farming in the game. One can amass about 6060 souls if they're wearing silver bracelet (female only) and Ring of Avarice in 1min and 20 secs including load time. All you need is a bow and have beaten 4-1.

4-1 isn't too difficult, but I'd suggest packing some magic firepower and have a soul level of at least 30 (or high 20s).

I myself haven't gotten far. One of my chars only had 1-1, 1-2, 2-1, 2-2, and 4-1 completed. Just way too busy soul farming and too scared to proceed.

Yep, I've farmed the reaper in 4-2 many times the last few days. I think I went from soul level 30 to 50 just from doing this. Unfortunately it is taking 2x for each level now but I need to do it some more to get strength and dexterity up for the 5-1 boss. I am also getting drops every single time from the reaper - darkmoonstone I think? I get chunks and/or shard every time. The WT is pretty dark for some reason (not from anything I did but because of being online I guess) so that must be helping there.

Demon Souls is going to be the first game (in at least 5 years) that I have not seen one second of footage of it or know what the game is about.

Let's see if the gamble pays off.

You mean you are buying it sight-unseen? You didn't actually say that part ;). It is well worth it. I basically did the same pre-release and ordered it a month in advance based on the hype. At least you have been able to see the impressions the rest of CAG has posted since having the game for a few weeks - so it's really not that much of a risk. In terms of being very hard/impossible, I find LBP a much much harder game (to trophy anyway). I'd much rather face every Demon's Souls boss in a row than try to finish some of those LBP levels without dying. That wore thin on me in a very short time such that the game pissed me off and I've never played it since. I find Demon's Souls way less frustrating ;).

[Apollo Creed]

So I've managed to grab the items suggested from 2-2. The one thing I realize I don't do enough ... is go back to the nexus. I lost about 15,000 souls yesterday. :(

I think I'll jump over to 1-2 now and head back to 2-2 later on. Those bugs are annoying and take ages to kill.

[Jodou]

I really suggest trying to get to 4-2 asap. Some of the easiest and fastest soul farming in the game. One can amass about 6060 souls if they're wearing silver bracelet (female only) and Ring of Avarice in 1min and 20 secs including load time. All you need is a bow and have beaten 4-1.

4-1 isn't too difficult, but I'd suggest packing some magic firepower and have a soul level of at least 30 (or high 20s).

I myself haven't gotten far. One of my chars only had 1-1, 1-2, 2-1, 2-2, and 4-1 completed. Just way too busy soul farming and too scared to proceed.
Don't forget to take that world pure black, because you get a huge difference in souls. I know I shot up maybe 10k souls per run just from the reaper alone.

Oh and don't play a female lol. The best armor in the game is male only.

[BlueScrote]

Is the ring of avarice (sp?) the only available from the 3-1 merchant? I am around Soul level ~60 and its taking forever to get souls it seems like.

[Saint Noir]

Is the ring of avarice (sp?) the only available from the 3-1 merchant? I am around Soul level ~60 and its taking forever to get souls it seems like.

It is also on a corpse in 3-2. Save your souls...!

[SynGamer]

Is there any way to get back to the Nexus without going back through the entire level? I'm getting really tired of dying at the red dragon and losing all my souls.

[rgd2blck]

I am also getting drops every single time from the reaper - darkmoonstone I think? I get chunks and/or shard every time. The WT is pretty dark for some reason (not from anything I did but because of being online I guess) so that must be helping there.


What is your Luck stat at?

My major problem is there is no checkpoint before the boss on 2-1, so when I die I have to take 20-30 minutes fighting my way back to that stupid spider I knew this game was going to be hard but having to spend 30 minutes to get back to a boss is ridiculous. Unless I missed a checkpoint somewhere. Perhaps I went with the wrong class or played it in the wrong order. Either way this game is probably not for me.

You missed a checkpoint. Takes a few minutes to get back to the boss. If you can make your way through the level and get to the point where there is the circular room on your right with a lava pit in the middle and a bunch of those fire gecko creatures on the wall and a dead body that had a Dragonstone piece on it, all you do is keep going straight, pass the (previously) fogged door on your left, keep going until you reach outside, hang a right, and activate the lever which starts a lift right at the beginning of the level. Plus a better blacksmith is down the lift. Then go back and go through that (previously) fogged door which is now on your right.

If you have enjoyed the game so far you shouldn't get rid of it yet. That boss was a little freaky and I somehow bumbled my way through it with only one death. Reading a note telling me where a safe spot was certainly helped.

[Saint Noir]

Is there any way to get back to the Nexus without going back through the entire level? I'm getting really tired of dying at the red dragon and losing all my souls.

To do it without losing souls best to invest in an evacuate miracle asap. Shards of archstone prolly work too... but these are finite. Haven't tried this.

[SynGamer]

To do it without losing souls best to invest in an evacuate miracle asap. Shards of archstone prolly work too... but these are finite. Haven't tried this.

Where?

[Saint Noir]

Where?

Guy in room behind blacksmith in the nexus can teach you miracles if your faith is high enough (10). Evac costs 20,000 souls and is totally worth it. You will have enough after beating the end level 2 bosses. Was my first big purchase.

[SynGamer]

Eh, not sure if I'll make it that far. I've lost about 7-8K souls after dying 4 times now...

[Saint Noir]

If you have to farm levels, do it. At the Nexus see how much a level costs... go gather that much and run back home. Path will be clear since you just cleared it out.

Vitality is a decent stat to pump up early, as it gives you more cushion to get popped and learn from your mistakes. And luckily any stat increases defense. I pumped vitality up quite a bit early. Haven't touched it much at all in 70 or 80 levels since.

[SynGamer]

I'm in the Nexus, how do I deposit souls?

[Saint Noir]

There is no deposit. You just have to spend. You can talk to the lady in black to level up or you can buy/repair stuff.

[Apollo Creed]

For the life of me, I cannot find a safe path down to the Flamelurker. I keep falling to my death. The one and only time I made it down safely, I had the boss down to an 1/8 of his health and bit the dust.

[erectiontown]

I'm in the Nexus, how do I deposit souls?
have you beaten 1-1 yet?

[the_punisher]

This is probably a stupid question, but how do you use magic and miracles? I bought heal and a couple of spells, but other than soul arrow which (i think) works automatically, idk how to use them :(

[kidicarus23]

I just got this game and started playing it last night. I finished 1-1 and now am working on 1-2. Dying gets me frustrated sometimes, especially when you have accumulated souls. There are times when I can take on about 2-3 fairly weak enemies, but then there are times when just one simple enemy kills me. But I'm still enjoying the game!

[Saint Noir]

This is probably a stupid question, but how do you use magic and miracles? I bought heal and a couple of spells, but other than soul arrow which (i think) works automatically, idk how to use them :(

After you buy them you have to speak to the guy to "remember" them to assign them as slot in your inventory. Then up on the dpad change them out. Need a catalyst to cast spells and talisman to use miracles.

[ChibiJosh]

This is probably a stupid question, but how do you use magic and miracles? I bought heal and a couple of spells, but other than soul arrow which (i think) works automatically, idk how to use them :(
I answered this before when you asked about it:

1) Do you actually have any magic? You need a catalyst (wand), and you have to equip the catalyst as your weapon. And, you cast magic just like you attack. If you don't have magic then you have to get your magic stat to 10, and buy some in the Nexus.


And, in order to use a miracle, you need a talisman instead of a catalyst. And, soul arrow doesn't work automatically.

EDIT: Yeah, the remembering thing is important too.

[SynGamer]

have you beaten 1-1 yet?

No, I keep fucking dying on the bridge with the dragon and I lose all my souls. Quickly beginning to wonder if I should sell my game and keep the Deluxe edition items and bonus artbook/CD.

[Saint Noir]

No, I keep fucking dying on the bridge with the dragon and I lose all my souls. Quickly beginning to wonder if I should sell my game and keep the Deluxe edition items and bonus artbook/CD.

Bridge? The little short bridge? The short bridge should get cleared by the dragon in 1-1... save maybe 2 guys. Then just run across when the dragon isn't coming.

The big bridge/wall is in 1-2.

But yeah, you have to beat 1-1 before you can do anything.

[SynGamer]

Bridge? The little short bridge? The short bridge should get cleared by the dragon in 1-1... save maybe 2 guys. Then just run across when the dragon isn't coming.

The big bridge/wall is in 1-2.

But yeah, you have to beat 1-1 before you can do anything.

Pretty sure I'm going to die after I get across the bridge and fight the 1-1 boss...there goes all those souls again.

EDIT: didn't even get to the bridge, two enemies took my health before I could get an herb. eBay, here I come.

[gunm]

As soon as the dragon comes and starts his fire run, book it for the end of the bridge. As long as you cleared out the initial batch of soldiers and pikemen, you don't really need to go after the remaining archers until you're safely across, and of course the dragon will have taken out most of the rest for you anyways.

I tried to farm skels in 2-1 last night, but I got creamed after the first run and never got back into sync after that. >_< I was a bit frustrated 'cause the first time around, I did fine, but second time I could not time the rolling right and I just kept dying to the same skel a couple times.

I think I will just grind a bunch to buy arrows so I can take out the red dragon. I think I need a mace or something to dispatch those skellies easier.

[Jam424]

Let me know how much you're looking for the game if you're going to sell it. I'm looking to pick it up.

[SynGamer]

As soon as the dragon comes and starts his fire run, book it for the end of the bridge. As long as you cleared out the initial batch of soldiers and pikemen, you don't really need to go after the remaining archers until you're safely across, and of course the dragon will have taken out most of the rest for you anyways.

I tried to farm skels in 2-1 last night, but I got creamed after the first run and never got back into sync after that. >_< I was a bit frustrated 'cause the first time around, I did fine, but second time I could not time the rolling right and I just kept dying to the same skel a couple times.

I think I will just grind a bunch to buy arrows so I can take out the red dragon. I think I need a mace or something to dispatch those skellies easier.

Got past that part. Dragon didn't really do anything. This entire time I've been exploring but have never reached the end of either door on the sides. This obviously helps quite a bit in getting back to where you were/died. Off to get my ass handed to me by the 1-1 boss.

[gunm]

After you buy them you have to speak to the guy to "remember" them to assign them as slot in your inventory. Then up on the dpad change them out. Need a catalyst to cast spells and talisman to use miracles.



Doh, I was wondering why I couldn't load the flame toss I purchased last night! :lol:

I was like, wut the-? Don't I have two spell slots? Totally forgot about that.

It was late, and I was getting tired of dying to skels. Then I had to work an overnight maintenance for work--I have an excuse I think, lol. :p

[gunm]

Got past that part. Dragon didn't really do anything. This entire time I've been exploring but have never reached the end of either door on the sides. This obviously helps quite a bit in getting back to where you were/died. Off to get my ass handed to me by the 1-1 boss.


when you get to the inside of the castle at the end of the bridge, immediately to your right is a lever to open the main gate at the beginning of 1-1. Once you open it, you can just dive right into the boss battle w/o having to redo the entire area to get there if you ever get killed.

[io]

There is no deposit. You just have to spend. You can talk to the lady in black to level up or you can buy/repair stuff.

Yep, spend, spend, spend. If you haven't beaten the 1-1 boss then you can't spend on levels but you can buy some equipment (heater shield is a good one).

What is your Luck stat at?

10 right now. It started at 8 and I put it to 9 a while ago and just raised it to 10. It's not that. It is just a high drop rate for reapers coupled with fairly dark WT I guess.

Pretty sure I'm going to die after I get across the bridge and fight the 1-1 boss...there goes all those souls again.

EDIT: didn't even get to the bridge, two enemies took my health before I could get an herb. eBay, here I come.

How odd - when I played that there was no dragon at that 1-1 bridge (I guess the WT was whitish). I just had to take out the 12-15 enemies myself but that was fairly easy with soul arrow - just needed to dodge a few arrows. The two enemies on your left as you approach that bridge just need to be handled carefully. If you run up to the bridge they will be behind you. Go slowly and be sure to take them out. Seriously, the game isn't that hard once you know what's coming as it is the same every time. And the 1-1 boss is not all that hard either, as you can blast a few of the mini-phalaxes away and then just slash at his back where he isn't protected. It is also very easy to get away from him and use healing items (though you always have to be careful as he will move towards you). Once you get past him, then you can level up which makes things much easier from there on.


I think I will just grind a bunch to buy arrows so I can take out the red dragon. I think I need a mace or something to dispatch those skellies easier.

I'm doing fine on the skeletons with the purple flame shield and winged spear. At this point I can even let them roll into me and hit me once - no damage but my stamina goes down about 2/3 or so. But then I can simply spear them 2 or 3 times and they are toast. Wait till you run into one of the black katana skeletons though ;). I'd suggest taking the first one out with arrows (from right where you see the first arrow shooting skeleton early in 2-1).

[SynGamer]

I didn't die, wow. 1-1 down. NOW can I start to level up?

EDIT: where can I get some more fire bombs? :D

[gunm]

I'm doing fine on the skeletons with the purple flame shield and winged spear. At this point I can even let them roll into me and hit me once - no damage but my stamina goes down about 2/3 or so. But then I can simply spear them 2 or 3 times and they are toast. Wait till you run into one of the black katana skeletons though ;). I'd suggest taking the first one out with arrows (from right where you see the first arrow shooting skeleton early in 2-1).


Yeah, my starting buckler+1 is no match for the skellies. I'm gonna need to take out that dragon so I can grab the purple flame shield. I hope he yields enough souls so I can get close to strength 22. I'm so determined to do this, I may just forgo my Uncharted 2 session tonight so I can concentrate on getting enough arrows. >_<


I didn't die, wow. 1-1 down. NOW can I start to level up?


Yup. Now the fun begins, lol.

[io]

I didn't die, wow. 1-1 down. NOW can I start to level up?

Yeah, see, I told you ;).

Now here was the most frustrating part of the game for me. When you go back to the Nexus and talk to the cnadle maiden (the freaky girl dressed in black ;)) she will tell you the Monumental wants to talk to you and then it will show a cinematic zooming up to the huge statue with the sword. So I spent like an hour running around the upper part of the Nexus trying to get near the head of that thing assuming that must be something called a "Momumental" - after all it is a big, well, monument.

No, the monumental is one of the stupid little dead people/tiny statues sitting on the floor with a candle in front of it :wall:. So yeah, talk to him and then you can go back down and level up with the maiden.

[io]

Yeah, my starting buckler is no match for the skellies. I'm gonna need to take out that dragon so I can grab the purple flame shield. I'm so determined to do this, I may just forgo my Uncharted 2 session tonight so I can concentrate on getting enough arrows. >_<


You can also buy the heater shield in the Nexus as it is much better than the buckler and will serve you well until you get the purple flame shield. You may need it just to get to the place where you can shoot the dragon.

It always amazes me how many white phantoms I see in harder levels still sporting bucklers. Usually they are being turned into bloodstains ;).

[gunm]

Haha, I came up on the monumental kind of by accident--I ran up the stairs, ended up on the floor with the little guys and noticed the X to talk pop up as I ran across the balcony. The monumental you talk to is the last living one. When I realized all the others around him were dead, I felt a little sad. :(

I actually did well with the buckler throughout all of 1-1 and didn't even upgrade +1 until after 1-2. But yeah, it's like a cardboard prop if you try to use it anywhere else. :p

[SynGamer]

Yeah, see, I told you ;).

Now here was the most frustrating part of the game for me. When you go back to the Nexus and talk to the cnadle maiden (the freaky girl dressed in black ;)) she will tell you the Monumental wants to talk to you and then it will show a cinematic zooming up to the huge statue with the sword. So I spent like an hour running around the upper part of the Nexus trying to get near the head of that thing assuming that must be something called a "Momumental" - after all it is a big, well, monument.

No, the monumental is one of the stupid little dead people/tiny statues sitting on the floor with a candle in front of it :wall:. So yeah, talk to him and then you can go back down and level up with the maiden.

Thanks. I was just at the very top trying to find this thing.

[Bavgate]

Anyone got any tips for Old King Doran? Tried to take him on earlier, got him down to 1/4 health left and the bastard used a herb for full health.

[Saint Noir]

Anyone got any tips for Old King Doran? Tried to take him on earlier, got him down to 1/4 health left and the bastard used a herb for full health.

I say the same thing I always say... for almost anyone... thief ring and POISON cloud... I SAYS POIIISSSSOOON!

EDIT - yeah... I'm going here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJQa8wXa27k

[gunm]

Anyone got any tips for Old King Doran? Tried to take him on earlier, got him down to 1/4 health left and the bastard used a herb for full health.


Well, the easiest thing is Cast Poison cloud or Death Cloud then run and hide. Rinse and repeat. He has like 3000hp or something like that.. Alternatively, I hear there's a pathing exploit where you can lure him out to the long bridge and backstab him when he gives up and starts to walk back to his original spot. I believe you'll need the thief's ring and of course a stabbing weapon. Apparently, you can keep doing this until he's dead.

[Apollo Creed]

Ok, so 4-1 was a cakewalk with the Dragon Long Sword as suggested. Any tips for the 4-1 boss before I head through the fog?

[Saint Noir]

Ok, so 4-1 was a cakewalk with the Dragon Long Sword as suggested. Any tips for the 4-1 boss before I head through the fog?

His right hand is the attack hand... when you hear him tee-hee just go under that arm. You can roll if you want. Attack the blade stuck in his left side... when he goes down hit the bird on top of his head. I beat this guy for the second time yesterday without getting hit.

EDIT - oh and you start out at the top... run to the bottom as quick as possible.. then start above strategy.

[happy]

I beat 5-1. The boss fight (my second try) was a bit harder than I expected, but I eventually found a good hiding spot where the leeches wouldn't get me - I kind of stumbled into it actually. I suppose 2-2 is next...

[IRHari]

Have the servers gone down today yet? If so, were any changes made?

They've seriously gotta address the WT bug, it can take up to 7 ephemeral stones to change from Pure white to pure black WT, and its some bullshit to turn off the game and come back and find out its back to neutral.

[StillFree]

Have the servers gone down today yet? If so, were any changes made?

They've seriously gotta address the WT bug, it can take up to 7 ephemeral stones to change from Pure white to pure black WT, and its some bullshit to turn off the game and come back and find out its back to neutral.

In the import version the work around for the WT bug was to log out in one of the worlds instead of the nexus.

[Saint Noir]

Have the servers gone down today yet? If so, were any changes made?

They've seriously gotta address the WT bug, it can take up to 7 ephemeral stones to change from Pure white to pure black WT, and its some bullshit to turn off the game and come back and find out its back to neutral.

Yeah, that is terrible. Luckily it hasn't messed me up and once I found out about it I make sure to do all my black WT business in one go.

[IRHari]

Yeah I'm in Pure Black WT in World 4, cause I've stumbled upon the gold mine that Jodou was talking about (BP Black Skelly, 2x BP Gold Skelly, 2x Reapers = 140k each run). I've gotta play it offline until those stupid assholes fix this. It sucks cause I really enjoy watching people run through the game, and see what they're up to or wearing. Also I notice a lot of blood stains in the same places, thats always amusing.

So it sounds like no one knows if there was a patch, or if they were just doing maintenance, whatever the fuck that means? Lemme know if anyone finds out.

[Friend of Sonic]

Okay, I got the Deluxe Edition used. But where does the artbook/CD go? It's too big to go anywhere... was this thing just shrunkwrapped on the outside of the box?

[IRHari]

the box that the deluxe version came in is about the size of two games put together. one space is for the game, obviously, and the other is for both the strat guide (it's pretty small but its got like 160 pages) and the artbook w/ the cd inside.

as a big fan of video game music, i can safely say this soundtrack is awful. the main theme is absolutely painful to listen to. oh well, you rarely hear it unless you're fighting a boss, so i'm not complaining too much.

[Friend of Sonic]

It doesn't seem like the artbook could fit in the box, though. It seems like the guide and game are a snug fit-- and that doesn't explain how people who got the normal edition could house the artbook and CD.

[IRHari]

they were definitely a snug fit in the deluxe, I don't have experience with the normal edition though, sorry brah

[Snake2715]

the box that the deluxe version came in is about the size of two games put together. one space is for the game, obviously, and the other is for both the strat guide (it's pretty small but its got like 160 pages) and the artbook w/ the cd inside.

as a big fan of video game music, i can safely say this soundtrack is awful. the main theme is absolutely painful to listen to. oh well, you rarely hear it unless you're fighting a boss, so i'm not complaining too much.

The artbook and enclosed cd was on the outside and seperate from the deluxe box. The artbook CD also came with the standard version. I would not suggest trying to fit it in the deluxe box.

[Friend of Sonic]

Oh, okay. I figured so, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't going retarded and not seeing the obvious spot for the book (and plus I saw a few posts about people finding standard editions 'with the book and soundtrack included' leading me to believe it may be enclosed in the box somehow)

Thanks er'body!

[Snake2715]

FoS,

No problem I bought the standard edition and he had separate soundtrack CD's when i did that. When my Deluxe edition came in it had the artbook and cd shrinkwrapped to the outside like you said. I then took the actual sealed game back to gamestop.

But in both instances it was separate, I am 100% sure of it.

[IRHari]

Ah Snake is right, I ripped that shit open so quickly I probably didn't notice thats how it was packaged. Good show Snake!

[gunm]

Gah, I've finally decided this game is EVIL. It's all I think about now! Lol.

Curse you, From Software...if Uncharted 2 and MW2 weren't out this year, you'd win GOTY easily from me.

[Snake2715]

Ah Snake is right, I ripped that shit open so quickly I probably didn't notice thats how it was packaged. Good show Snake!

I dont blame you I love the game and couldnt wait to get my copy open either!! I have taken a few days off but Thursday will have some more time again.

[salty tbone]

In the import version the work around for the WT bug was to log out in one of the worlds instead of the nexus.

That didn't work for me when I just turned the whole system off. What's really annoying is I've beaten all four bosses in 4 without dying in living form, and I didn't have pure white WT and I couldn't figure out why. Then I read about the glitch. :bomb: I'm so addicted to this game, I'm ready to just never turn the game off. :D

[Saint Noir]

Curse you, From Software...if Uncharted 2 and MW2 weren't out this year, you'd win GOTY easily from me.

Still waiting to get Uncharted 2. Personally not into MW2... so this may be my GotY. Just have to see... I know I love having such a great game in this genre finally.

[Jodou]

Have the servers gone down today yet? If so, were any changes made?

They've seriously gotta address the WT bug, it can take up to 7 ephemeral stones to change from Pure white to pure black WT, and its some bullshit to turn off the game and come back and find out its back to neutral.
Yeah, I'm also curious as to what was done. I get that WT bug all the time; sometimes I'd take a place pure black for an event and then quit. Next day it's pure white again lol. That and the server hangs after prolonged play where I stop seeing players, messages, et cetera even though I'm still logged in.

Not very impressive for online play I must say.

Oh, and did someone message me on PSN? Got some cold call about helping with blade stones from nobody I know. Really trying to get into Uncharted 2 but it's waaaaaaaaay too cinematic heavy so far. It feels too much like MGS in that respect and all the stealthing around is getting on my nerves. I just want to smash shit. For all the hype surrounding U2, I actually prefer the first game because it did a far better job of pacing gameplay with cinema IMO.

[Jodou]

Still waiting to get Uncharted 2. Personally not into MW2... so this may be my GotY. Just have to see... I know I love having such a great game in this genre finally.
My GOTY is always based on how much do I keep wanting to play or get sucked in. Demon's Souls wins this year and L4D was it last year.

[the_punisher]

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6424373&postcount=1195

Thanks a lot, didn't even realize. That link is going in my favorites till i figure it out :). Doesn't seem very hard though.

Also, two more questions:

1) Where is the Dragon Long Sword?

2) I keep reading it, wtf does WT mean?

[Saint Noir]

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6424373&postcount=1195

Thanks a lot, didn't even realize. That link is going in my favorites till i figure it out :). Doesn't seem very hard though.

Also, two more questions:

1) Where is the Dragon Long Sword?

2) I keep reading it, wtf does WT mean?

World Tendency.

Dragon Long Sword is somewhere in 2-2 I believe. I cant remember exactly... one of the more obscure and hard to reach corpses though.

[IRHari]

It's in the tunnel with the bearbugs, it's easiest to take the left path in 2-2 and find it there, just keep exploring and you'll find it at a dead end.

[saiyajinsc]

I don't know what the fuss is about. this game is really frustrating. Having died and losing my souls then having to go all the way back just to get it back. there are no checkpoint options and the automatic saves are dumb. Combat is weak. Although I haven't given it much time but these problems are enough to convince me to play other games in my library until I have nothing else to play.

[gunm]

I don't know what the fuss is about. this game is really frustrating. Having died and losing my souls then having to go all the way back just to get it back. there are no checkpoint options and the automatic saves are dumb. Combat is weak. Although I haven't given it much time but these problems are enough to convince me to play other games in my library until I have nothing else to play.



Saint Noir pointed this out a few pages ago, and I agree:

http://www.destructoid.com/demon-s-souls-the-ultimate-multiplayer-experience-152009.phtml

That said, this is not a mainstream game at all. Most players will give up on the game pretty quickly. Players who stick with it, do find something rewarding in the end.

[Saint Noir]

Man... BP Satsuki was killing me... so I went and killed the primeval demon first. On top of killing that lizard and having it fall off the cliff with the loot... I died just past the 4-2 archstone heading back to 4-1. So, I spawned at 4-1. Went back to the Nexus so I could save my 100,000 souls. Forget about WT. I already got the white WT item in that world last play through.

Then I have to re-die a few times to get back to black WT... beat Satsuki by just no frills killing him. Did use the clever rat ring... but before I just took it to him... you should have seen my ridiculous strategies.

[SynGamer]

I don't know what the fuss is about. this game is really frustrating. Having died and losing my souls then having to go all the way back just to get it back. there are no checkpoint options and the automatic saves are dumb. Combat is weak. Although I haven't given it much time but these problems are enough to convince me to play other games in my library until I have nothing else to play.

Totally hear you about being frustrated. I took me 5 hours to beat 1-1. I was on the edge of no return, literally a couple of clicks away from listing this on eBay and Goozex...just about to the brink and I finally beat 1-1. I was very happy, especially considering now I can actually start leveling up.

So far my cons for the game are;

1. No pause. This is just something that really should be included every game. Granted, you can go to system and quit the game and it'll save where you are at, but if I'm going to be away for say 10 minutes, It would be nice to just be able to pause the game. Same can be said with wanting to read through the strategy guide without fearing for your life...literally :)

2. Save system. Err...or there lack of said system. Multiple save files (for in case you fuck up at some point) would be nice, since I usually roll with quite a few save files when I play RPGs.

3. A better tutorial...or some form of helping the player early on with hints. Something, anything, you know?

[io]

While mutliple save slots would be sort of nice, I think that was definitely a design choice on this game. They want you to live with whatever consequences there are for your actions. While I didn't like it at first, I kind of do now.

As for pausing, there really isn't a need because once you clear an area (even a small one) you can sit there indefinitely and things will not attack you. Nothing ever moves off of fairly small set paths (and nearly all enemies are stationary in fact). The only place I can think of that you might get a surprise death is in 4-1 with the flying creatures if you weren't aware of them - and even they just loop around in the same area. But in most places you can move in, kill whatever is there, and just stand still and take a break. I have done this many times to come all the way downstairs to check the computer, eat a snack, whatever ;). Never once have I gone back up and seen my character dead. Note that I always play in soul form so I'm not worried about other players invading which I guess could happen if you just sat there in body form.

I also liked the way you are just sort of thrown into the game. Yeah, I had no idea what to do at first either but it didn't take long to figure out. There's very little punishment for getting beat up early so it is a good way to ease into the game.

[salty tbone]

While mutliple save slots would be sort of nice, I think that was definitely a design choice on this game. They want you to live with whatever consequences there are for your actions. While I didn't like it at first, I kind of do now.

Me too. There's consequences that force you to focus. For all the talk of how brutal the game is, dying isn't nearly as awful as I feared. If you can make it back to your pool o' blood, you're fine. It does add some drama if a tough enemy is between you and your stain.

As for pausing, there really isn't a need because once you clear an area (even a small one) you can sit there indefinitely and things will not attack you.

True, although when I first started the game I had a phone call and hit the start button, figuring that would pause it. Well, of course while I was talking on the phone I was watching my character standing still getting hacked to bits. Oops.

[Brownjohn]

I'm loving this game so far. Just played through 1-1 and I had a blast. I went back there a couple times for some soul farming and the dragons were gone so I was able to pick up a few new items.

I was playing through Batman:AA before I started this, and I think Batman is going to have to wait a while.

[Kylearan]

Yeah, my starting buckler+1 is no match for the skellies. I'm gonna need to take out that dragon so I can grab the purple flame shield.

You can actually grab the Purple Flame Shield before taking down the Red Dragon, but you've gotta time acquiring it well.

Basically...get to the bridge where the Dragon comes out and warns you not to cross...if you go too far, he'll spout fire and kill some of the guards on the bridge...and he'll keep spouting fire if you stick around too close to the bridge at this point.

Well, once you start approaching the bridge...LISTEN...and you'll hear him take off from his perch. Once you hear it, turn tail, run down the stairs to your right, run down the corridor, go outside, down the stairs left, and you'll see a whole bunch of treasure. The Blue Dragon is there, so watch his tail! In any event, if you time it well, you can grab the Purple Flame Shield at this point.

Just grab ONE item each time you do this...if you try for two in one run, you're likely to get toasted. Also, if you don't time your approach near the Blue Dragon well, he'll swat you with his tail.

[Kylearan]

I'm loving this game so far. Just played through 1-1 and I had a blast. I went back there a couple times for some soul farming and the dragons were gone so I was able to pick up a few new items.

I was playing through Batman:AA before I started this, and I think Batman is going to have to wait a while.

I've got a backlog of something like 50 games, and I just can't put this one down. I started off as a thief, and got about 5 hours into it...still hadn't finished 1-1.

Then on a lark, figured I'd try a Royal one morning, and finished 1-1 in about 2 hours. Then kept going...and abandoned my original character! Oops. =)

Best game of the year so far for me. MW2 will be great, and so will Uncharted 2, but there's something about this game...the challenge...crawling forward, being cautious, feeling like there's a real risk-reward system in place...feeling scared of heights, worrying what's next...

A lot has been said about the difficulty, and it's true, especially at the beginning. But I haven't once felt this game cheated me...I've been surprised, sure....I thought a Mind Flayer guy was a little further down the hallway and he was right in front of me when I turned the corner! My bad. But never felt short-changed by the game itself.

Anyway, enough rambling...back to DS.

[Jodou]

2. Save system. Err...or there lack of said system. Multiple save files (for in case you fuck up at some point) would be nice, since I usually roll with quite a few save files when I play RPGs.
Fuck that. The game wouldn't be half as good without the risk, especially in PvP. I'm spoiled by how pussy other games feel now. I hope more games follow suit now that someone finally had the balls to make a game for hardcore players.

[Saint Noir]

Fuck that. The game wouldn't be half as good without the risk, especially in PvP. I'm spoiled by how pussy other games feel now. I hope more games follow suit now that someone finally had the balls to make a game for hardcore players.

Totally with this game in terms of risk. Half of the mechanics seem built around the risk factor. There would be no point at all in being very sneaky or cautious if I could just boot it up if something bad happened. Imagine False King with a weak way to save yourself... boss would be pointless.

My backlog is pretty small... but is growing larger as the holiday games start getting released and I continue to poor hours upon hours into this one. :D

[gunm]

You can actually grab the Purple Flame Shield before taking down the Red Dragon, but you've gotta time acquiring it well.

Basically...get to the bridge where the Dragon comes out and warns you not to cross...if you go too far, he'll spout fire and kill some of the guards on the bridge...and he'll keep spouting fire if you stick around too close to the bridge at this point.

Well, once you start approaching the bridge...LISTEN...and you'll hear him take off from his perch. Once you hear it, turn tail, run down the stairs to your right, run down the corridor, go outside, down the stairs left, and you'll see a whole bunch of treasure. The Blue Dragon is there, so watch his tail! In any event, if you time it well, you can grab the Purple Flame Shield at this point.

Just grab ONE item each time you do this...if you try for two in one run, you're likely to get toasted. Also, if you don't time your approach near the Blue Dragon well, he'll swat you with his tail.



Yeah, my WT or whatever is such where the dragon never comes by. Plus I want to kill it as I need to bump up my stats.

[Jodou]

Yeah, my WT or whatever is such where the dragon never comes by. Plus I want to kill it as I need to bump up my stats.
You only get 10k souls for killing it. You can spend less time and get more just farming the two blue knights right by the 1-2 archstone.