Demon's Souls - Atlus & From Software's Action RPG - October 6

[erectiontown]

still, killing that huge ass dragon was pretty satisfying.

i still haven't beaten anything other than 1-1 so far, still trying to find some of the more essential items. i've been playing almost 10 hours, haven't done shit, but i am loving it. I've been distributing my stat points fairly evenly between int, magic, endurance, dex, and faith... should i be pouring them into anything specific?

[Apollo Creed]

Ok, so I've finished 4-1 and have 80,000 souls to spend.
Below are my stats, spells and weapons. Where should I dump the points?
Vit:23 Int:14 End:12 Str:19 Dex:14 Mag:14 Fth:13 Lck:9 -- Soul Level 40
Dragon L Sword +4, Dk Heater Shield +3, Winged Spear +6, Silver Catalyst
Magic: Soul Arrow, Flame Toss
Plate Leggings, Plate Gauntlets, Wizards Clothes
I'm also sitting on a few demon's souls (Iron, Swollen, Hard & Grey). Should I hold on to these?

[ChibiJosh]

I've been distributing my stat points fairly evenly between int, magic, endurance, dex, and faith... should i be pouring them into anything specific?

I beat the game by pretty much putting my points into nothing but magic and int. I put enough point into faith to get two miracles, and I put maybe 5-10 points into vit. Nothing into anything else.

[gunm]

Yeah I just want to kill the dragon. I can farm the blue knights later.

[gunm]

Ok, so I've finished 4-1 and have 80,000 souls to spend.
Below are my stats, spells and weapons. Where should I dump the points?
Vit:23 Int:14 End:12 Str:19 Dex:14 Mag:14 Fth:13 Lck:9 -- Soul Level 40
Dragon L Sword +4, Dk Heater Shield +3, Winged Spear +6, Silver Catalyst
Magic: Soul Arrow, Flame Toss
Plate Leggings, Plate Gauntlets, Wizards Clothes
I'm also sitting on a few demon's souls (Iron, Swollen, Hard & Grey). Should I hold on to these?

Hold on to the demons souls as they can be traded in for unique spells and items. You can always farm for more souls but those demons souls will be gone forever.

[IRHari]

So, no update on the WT bug? It isn't fixed? Bah, fucking shit.

BTW, Jodou, how bout them Dodgers? :)

[sotc1988]

Phew. Just finished 1-1 and 1-2 and this game is intense! Right now I'm a royal knight and I'm really not sure what to level up. I think I want to be a primarily magic user with melee to fall back on in case and am not sure what I should focus on right now. The red dragon is a pain in the but though. I've died a fair share from him due to not being careful. The bloodstains and messages really helped and I imagine the game was much harder at launch. Anyways if anyone wants to recommend where I should go from 1-2 I'd be appreciative.

[Jodou]

BTW, Jodou, how bout them Dodgers? :)
Keep laughing all the way til NY crushes them. LA may win this game tonight, but I doubt they'll make it to the WS.

[ChibiJosh]

Where should I dump the points?


You should probably invest in the Evacuation miracle soon. It's 20K and you need a talisman to use it, but it's certainly worth it.

Anyways if anyone wants to recommend where I should go from 1-2 I'd be appreciative.

Go to 2-1.

[BlueScrote]

Holy fuck. Garl Vinland is kicking my ass.

EDIT: killed him by using the dragon sword instead of the crescent falchion because apparently he's strong against magic. Warding also helped stop the insta kills from him. Those stupid bog creatures are ridiculous also.

Now I've finished everything except 1-4. I want to upgrade my weapons some more, but it seems like everyone gives crap for souls and drops.

[Saint Noir]

Holy fuck. Garl Vinland is kicking my ass.

If it's the boss fight I personally would... shoot arrows at the lady in the back from way up top... just take out her followers first.

[Apollo Creed]

You should probably invest in the Evacuation miracle soon. It's 20K and you need a talisman to use it, but it's certainly worth it.

You're a mind reader. I picked it up and dumped the rest into intelligence and magic for now. I have yet to visit 3-1 ... perhaps that's the next place to go since the dragon at 2-3 (I think it's 2-3) is kicking my ass. I clear the first three pillars and then die every time. No luck on 4-2 either.

[SynGamer]

You're a mind reader. I picked it up and dumped the rest into intelligence and magic for now. I have yet to visit 3-1 ... perhaps that's the next place to go since the dragon at 2-3 (I think it's 2-3) is kicking my ass. I clear the first three pillars and then die every time. No luck on 4-2 either.

The Evacuation miracle is what? A spell? An item? Is it unlimited usage or one-time? I just want to be able to warp back to the Nexus, cash in my souls, and go back exactly where I was without having to go through an entire level.

[ChibiJosh]

The Evacuation miracle is what? A spell? An item? Is it unlimited usage or one-time? I just want to be able to warp back to the Nexus, cash in my souls, and go back exactly where I was without having to go through an entire level.
... It's a miracle. miracle = priest spell
It'll take you back to the Nexus with all your souls, but you'll have to redo the level. Nothing will keep you from having to do that.

[gunm]

You can recast evac.

[jdioutkast]

Don't know if this has been answered before, but if I buy the asian version of demon's souls can I play with the rest of the people who bet the US version?

Also

Pros/Cons of buying either version

Thanks

[Saint Noir]

No, you cannot play with people on the US server. Pretty much the same game with slight naming variations. Also, you would experience a slight bit more lag since you would be playing on Asian servers.

[IRHari]

BTW, SaintNoir, ChibiJosh, what Soul level are you guys and where are you in the game? Newgame+? What bosses have you beaten in NG+?

I'm Soul Level 171, just beat World 2, World 4, and I beat the Tower Knight. Haven't touched World 3 or 5 at this point though.

I'm lookin for some cool guys who destroy everything to play with :)

[ChibiJosh]

Geez. I'm not even 100 yet. I've beaten 1-1,1-2 and world 2. I haven't played in like a week though.

[erectiontown]

i have a question: can you only play online with people who are in the same playthrough as you? as in, if you're at NG+ do you only play with other NG+ players, or can you play with anyone?

[ChibiJosh]

I think it just depends on level, but I could be wrong.

[erectiontown]

i feel like i'm taking such baby steps in this game

[IRHari]

I grinded the shit out of the black phantom skellies backtracking from the Old Hero 4-3 Archstone, that's the only reason why I'm 170 ChibiJosh lol.

I dunno about that erectiontown, I don't think anyone has a definitive answer to that question, Atlus hasn't addressed it as far as I know.

[ChibiJosh]

Old Hero 4-3 Archstone

Wait, storm king?

[IRHari]

Wait, storm king?

No 4-4 archstone is where the stormking is, I'm talking about the 4-3 Archstone. Although they're really close together, it's obviously easier to start from the Old Hero Archstone (I think that's the 4-3 Archstone, as the 4-4 Archstone appears when you kill Storm King).

Anyway, basically make WT black, make sure you have soulsucker, and thiefs ring, and a decent bow. Backtrack through the slug room and back to the third reaper, who'll be sitting up a long flight of stairs. Kill him, and then walk down the corridor. Start walking slowly, and kill the BP Black skelly with soulsucker. Keep walking slowly and kill the closest BP Gold Skelly with soulsucker. Run back a few steps so the other BP goldie turns around, then kill him with soulsucker too. Keep going, and you'll be in the big room with the 2nd reaper. Kill him with arrows, then teleport back to Nexus. With Ring of Avarice, this should net you around 150k souls every time.

It takes a few tries to get the spacing down, as you have to be close enough to hit em with soulsucker, but not too close or they'll turn around.

[MSI Magus]

Definitely not enjoying this game. And it doesn't even have anything to do with the fact that its difficult! Its more that the games combat just feels boring and the exploration tedious.

[erectiontown]

you're definitely in the minority, pal

[ChibiJosh]

I fear the reapers. During my first game, I summoned other people to kill them for me. Basically, I didn't do anything on 4-2. I don't have enough dex to use a bow.

[sendme]

I have to say I'm starting to get sick of this game and wondering if some stuff is bugged. In 2-1 when I'm in phantom form some times I get 2 souls for every kill and end up leaving the room with maybe 50 or so souls and other times I end up leaving with 200-300 souls from that same room. I have also had where I was just running only didn't even have the controller in my hands. Other times I have been running and changed from holding the weapon with one hand to holding it with two. Some times in mid fight.

Also is their an item or something that regenerates MP with out having to use spices?

[MSI Magus]

you're definitely in the minority, pal

Maybe but I think its more about hype and the community experience. This game is very similar to the Kingdsfield series and yet no one blew up about those games, hell the same pros giving this game great buzz gave KF a bunch of 6s. Im not saying this is a bad game, just saying its not for me and I think people are really buying into the hype/community experience. Ill drop it now though since I dont want to derail the thread when the rest of you are enjoying it.

[IRHari]

Ah are you a magic user? It's really REALLY useful to have the ability to use a bow, I really don't know how I would play some areas without it. Keep in mind I'm like, 70/30 melee/range, and I use magic just to kill geckos or farm souls.

I'd highly suggest trying to use a bow.

[ChibiJosh]

Also is their an item or something that regenerates MP with out having to use spices?
Fragrant Ring and any weapon with the "Crescent" prefix

Ah are you a magic user? It's really REALLY useful to have the ability to use a bow, I really don't know how I would play some areas without it. Keep in mind I'm like, 70/30 melee/range, and I use magic just to kill geckos or farm souls.

I'd highly suggest trying to use a bow.
Yeah, I'm a magic user. I have like 40 Int/Magic and 10 Str/Dex

[IRHari]

Jeez, how did you beat the boss of 5-3? Doesn't he have a lot of magic resistance or something?

[Jodou]

Jeez, how did you beat the boss of 5-3? Doesn't he have a lot of magic resistance or something?
Meat cleaver rapes him and knocks him down every fierce swing, so that's one way to kill him. He's pretty easy if you just bait his attacks and move in when he's defenseless.

[io]

BTW, SaintNoir, ChibiJosh, what Soul level are you guys and where are you in the game? Newgame+? What bosses have you beaten in NG+?

I'm Soul Level 171, just beat World 2, World 4, and I beat the Tower Knight. Haven't touched World 3 or 5 at this point though.

I'm lookin for some cool guys who destroy everything to play with :)

:shock: 171!?

I'm at around 47 or so. Last night I just ground out 2 or 3 levels (reapers and then the bearbugs). I'm trying to get my dexterity up now so I can beat the 5-1 boss with arrows. His regen rate was too high last time. I guess I may also try the Clever Rat's Ring trick on it and maybe use another ring to boost attack. I have always forgotten to maximize my ring usage (as I usually just use some combo of the cling ring/fragrant ring/regen ring/thef's ring). But in fighting the bugbears I equipped the Kris blade plus a magic enhancing ring and upped my soul arrow damage from 60-something to 120 or so! That may help me on that 5-1 boss as well as for both arrows and magic I could get him down but not enough to completely counteract his regen. But I wasn't being clever with the ring usage. So after grinding out a few more levels that I put into dexterity (for increased damage with the sticky compound long bow) I can try to take him down. I'll let one of those club dudes beat me down to under 30% HP for the Clever Rat's Ring.

I went to the bugbear area to try to get some of the treasure in the lava. I must be missing some key equipment because even with a flame resistance ring and the "water" spell cast on me, I only have about 5 seconds in the lava before death. That was enough to pick up the dragonstone shard the bugbear dropped at the edge of the lava but not nearly enough to run out and get the treasures. The "picking up" animation almost did me in. One time my health bar looked completely gone - seriously, I must have had 1 HP left! And that was just from picking something up right at the edge. Is there armor somewhere that has high flame resistance? How are you guys getting that stuff otherwise?

But man, I've been playing a lot and have yet to hit many of the bosses. I'm taking it very slowly and trying to get all the WT events but that means very little main game progress. I did finally go save Ostrava in 1-2 last night - figured it was about time to let him out ;). I need to take down that 5-1 boss and then I'll do the stone of ephemeral eyes/suicide thing in Stonefang tunnel to try to get to BP Scirvir. But I've been playing for 36 hours and have just done the following bosses: 1-1, 1-2 (red dragon and tower knight), 2-1, 3-1, and 4-1. That's a lot of time put in for just 5 bronze trophies :lol:.

[gunm]

:shock: 171!?

I'm at around 47 or so. Last night I just ground out 2 or 3 levels (reapers and then the bearbugs). I'm trying to get my dexterity up now so I can beat the 5-1 boss with arrows. His regen rate was too high last time. I guess I may also try the Clever Rat's Ring trick on it and maybe use another ring to boost attack. I have always forgotten to maximize my ring usage (as I usually just use some combo of the cling ring/fragrant ring/regen ring/thef's ring). But in fighting the bugbears I equipped the Kris blade plus a magic enhancing ring and upped my soul arrow damage from 60-something to 120 or so! That may help me on that 5-1 boss as well as for both arrows and magic I could get him down but not enough to completely counteract his regen. But I wasn't being clever with the ring usage. So after grinding out a few more levels that I put into dexterity (for increased damage with the sticky compound long bow) I can try to take him down. I'll let one of those club dudes beat me down to under 30% HP for the Clever Rat's Ring.

I went to the bugbear area to try to get some of the treasure in the lava. I must be missing some key equipment because even with a flame resistance ring and the "water" spell cast on me, I only have about 5 seconds in the lava before death. That was enough to pick up the dragonstone shard the bugbear dropped at the edge of the lava but not nearly enough to run out and get the treasures. The "picking up" animation almost did me in. One time my health bar looked completely gone - seriously, I must have had 1 HP left! And that was just from picking something up right at the edge. Is there armor somewhere that has high flame resistance? How are you guys getting that stuff otherwise?

But man, I've been playing a lot and have yet to hit many of the bosses. I'm taking it very slowly and trying to get all the WT events but that means very little main game progress. I did finally go save Ostrava in 1-2 last night - figured it was about time to let him out ;). I need to take down that 5-1 boss and then I'll do the stone of ephemeral eyes/suicide thing in Stonefang tunnel to try to get to BP Scirvir. But I've been playing for 36 hours and have just done the following bosses: 1-1, 1-2 (red dragon and tower knight), 2-1, 3-1, and 4-1. That's a lot of time put in for just 5 bronze trophies :lol:.




Also, have you tried using flaming arrows/flame toss on 5-1? Or turpentine w/your weapon and fire bombs?

[IRHari]

No, Jodou, I was asking ChibiJosh cause he's a magic user, who uses no bows or no melee. I was curious how he beat 5-3 cause doesn't that armor have really high magic resistance? Just curious.

I've only fought him once, and I didn't fight him, I fought his 'girlfriend' :)

[Jodou]

:shock: 171!?Pfft, he's got 50 levels still to catch up to me and I stopped grinding last weekend.
I'm at around 47 or so. Last night I just ground out 2 or 3 levels (reapers and then the bearbugs). I'm trying to get my dexterity up now so I can beat the 5-1 boss with arrows.Warding and dragon sword are your friend. He seriously goes down like a bitch.
How are you guys getting that stuff otherwise?I don't waste my time on them lol. It's seriously not worth the effort.
I need to take down that 5-1 boss and then I'll do the stone of ephemeral eyes/suicide thing in Stonwfang tunner to try to get to BP Scirvir.He's actually pretty easy if you want to cheese him. As you know, the AI is pretty awful so you can just make him back off the cliff and die. No joke, just keep a shield up and keep backing him up right off the cliff. Don't worry about the loot, just load your game and his corpse will spawn in the same place you first spot him.

[Jodou]

No, Jodou, I was asking ChibiJosh cause he's a magic user, who uses no bows or no melee. I was curious how he beat 5-3 cause doesn't that armor have really high magic resistance? Just curious.

I've only fought him once, and I didn't fight him, I fought his 'girlfriend' :)
Oh word lol.

[gunm]

Oh, I hear if you have high END, flame resist ring, water veil, hp regen, and flame resist shield you can walk into the lava to pick stuff up. Apparently blocking w/flame resist shield does help.

On the other hand, I dunno if the items out there are really worth all the trouble anyways.

[io]

Also, have you tried using flaming arrows/flame toss on 5-1? Or turpentine w/your weapon and fire bombs?

Oh yeah, the flame arrows. Now who sells those again? I bought some before but I forgot where.

Oh, I hear if you have high END, flame resist ring, water veil, hp regen, and flame resist shield you can walk into the lava to pick stuff up. Apparently blocking w/flame resist shield does help.

On the other hand, I dunno if the items out there are really worth all the trouble anyways.

I thought someone here said they were worth getting which is why I was trying. Oh well, I'll come back later and try it.

Jodou - what is special about the dragon sword on the 5-1 boss? I do have that but it didn't seem like it had any special abilities when I checked out it's stats.

[Jodou]

Jodou - what is special about the dragon sword on the 5-1 boss? I do have that but it didn't seem like it had any special abilities when I checked out it's stats.
Not only is it a fast weapon, but it also has bonus fire damage built in that scales with your magic stat. The boss is extremely vulnerable to fire damage and mages can one shot the thing with firestorm.

[Snake2715]

Flame arrows are either begining of 4-2 or the shady merchant in the nexes between archstone of 3 and 4....

[ChibiJosh]

Jeez, how did you beat the boss of 5-3? Doesn't he have a lot of magic resistance or something?
I'm just that good. 8-)

No, it just took patience. I cast warding on myself, and then took my sword two-handed and chopped like a motherfucker. Run away before warding wore off, let it ware off and repeat.

[io]

Flame arrows are either begining of 4-2 or the shady merchant in the nexes between archstone of 3 and 4....

Ah, yeah, I think it is Bilge in 4-2. Patches (in the Nexus) definitely does not have them - he just has the heavy arrows.

[BlueScrote]

Any suggestions for offensive magic? Right now I have soul arrow, warding, poison cloud, and firestorm, with 4 slots. Soul arrow doesn't really seem to be scaling up all that well in terms of damage.

[gunm]

It sounds like Poison Cloud and Firestorm are two spells you can take with you until endgame. If you really want to acquire more spells, I hear Death Cloud has benefits, tho' not as much as Poison Cloud.

Oh, forgot God Of Wrath. :p

[IRHari]

I would recommend poison cloud as well, it seems to work on most bosses, and it's really useful on black phantoms and some of the tougher bosses (the 2 kings, etc.)

[happy]

Anyone have any dragon god advice. I made it to the first machine thing but the fire spray seems to kill me on my way to the second. Sometimes I can line myself up to use flamethrower on a pillar, but not consistently enough.

Edit to add: I beat the flamelurker which was awesome, and apparently I'm pure white because I got the giant sword at the start of the dragon god fight

[Saint Noir]

Anyone have any dragon god advice. I made it to the first machine thing but the fire spray seems to kill me on my way to the second. Sometimes I can line myself up to use flamethrower on a pillar, but not consistently enough.

I use soul arrow as much as possible to break down the rubble... if I can't line it up I just wait as soon as he looks away and floor it and slash the rubble.

[ChibiJosh]

Cast water veil and maybe the purple flame shield?

[happy]

Well I used warding to get through the first section, then used my new dragon sword in the second which stopped me from moving quickly but took down any wall in one hit and with a little playing around that did it.

Now what spell to get with my new soul... Also what does the message that the fog has cleared mean? Can I still return and get that world to black tendency to do all of those things or should I have done that first?

[ChibiJosh]

You couldn't go past 1-2 before because the fog was too thick. So, it said you needed to defeat an archdemon to get past it which you just did. So, now you can go to 1-3.
Get world 2 to black tendency? Yeah, you can still do that.

[happy]

Well I found scirvir and showed him the sword so I guess next I can make it black tendency - although I should probably beat some other worlds/level up a bit first.

[Brownjohn]

So, I know I'm late on this, but WOW! I just beat the tower knight. That was awesome! More games need giant, badass knights.

[gunm]

Beat 1-2 red dragon just now. Before that, farmed a little on the blue knights at 1-2 archstone as Jodou suggested to quickly ramp up my arrow stock and grab a couple more soul levels to put into STR. Killing the dragon at Soul 22-ish only net me 7K souls, but I was able to grab the winged spear and will go back and get the purple flame shield later. Yeah, it's hard to tell if you're doing anything even zoomed in with the bow, although you can see the times you miss. Took me a little adjusting to get the timing and zoom right. >_<

Hopefully I'll fare better against the skellies w/the new shield and pumped up stats.

[tagout]

I have a question about New Game Plus: Will treasures reappear when you start New Game Plus?

[Saint Noir]

Corpses, bag miners, geckos... everything is fresh. NOC dialog is reset. Pretty much everything. Only you keep your stuff and the guys are tougher.

[luan87us]

Man this game is as hard as Castlevania: Simon's Quest if not harder T.T I died like 15 times in 1-1. And quiet many on 1-2 lol. Got so much souls from failing here and there I got to soul lvl 20 already and still hasn't finished 1-2 lol. Anyone here got any tips for thief?

[Davestation]

Ummm I just killed the vendor in the first level and died later on and went back and now he is gone and I can not buy the armor I was eyeing. Is there any way to get that from another vendor? I only killed him because I saw a blood splatter and it showed a guy fighting him in there and I just wanted to see if I was better but now I do not have him selling me stuff....Its the vendor in 1-1 when your making tour way up to the top and if you go right there are boards that you have to knock down to get to him and afterwards you have to go up the wall with archers and a knight at the top....

[luan87us]

Ummm I just killed the vendor in the first level and died later on and went back and now he is gone and I can not buy the armor I was eyeing. Is there any way to get that from another vendor? I only killed him because I saw a blood splatter and it showed a guy fighting him in there and I just wanted to see if I was better but now I do not have him selling me stuff....Its the vendor in 1-1 when your making tour way up to the top and if you go right there are boards that you have to knock down to get to him and afterwards you have to go up the wall with archers and a knight at the top....

The vendor disappears after you beat the level.

[ChibiJosh]

Ummm I just killed the vendor in the first level and died later on and went back and now he is gone and I can not buy the armor I was eyeing. Is there any way to get that from another vendor? I only killed him because I saw a blood splatter and it showed a guy fighting him in there and I just wanted to see if I was better but now I do not have him selling me stuff....Its the vendor in 1-1 when your making tour way up to the top and if you go right there are boards that you have to knock down to get to him and afterwards you have to go up the wall with archers and a knight at the top....

If you kill an NPC, they're dead. They don't come back.

[FrankySox]

1-2 question. I'm at the very beginning and I have a question and a concern. I've finished 1-1 and 2-1.

At the VERY beginning of 1-2 after clearing the room with all those slime creatures that shoot spears there is a large hallway on the right with a gate. IGN's guide is telling me some guy named Ostrava is supposed to be back there. I'm not seeing him. (That was my concern)

My question is HOW THE HELL do you get across that first bridge? I've tried running across it several times only to get caught in flames EVERY TIME. Usually I'm only about halfway. Is there another pass I'm missing here?

[Brownjohn]

1-2 question. I'm at the very beginning and I have a question and a concern. I've finished 1-1 and 2-1.

At the VERY beginning of 1-2 after clearing the room with all those slime creatures that shoot spears there is a large hallway on the right with a gate. IGN's guide is telling me some guy named Ostrava is supposed to be back there. I'm not seeing him. (That was my concern)

My question is HOW THE HELL do you get across that first bridge? I've tried running across it several times only to get caught in flames EVERY TIME. Usually I'm only about halfway. Is there another pass I'm missing here?

Nope, there's no other way. You just have to time it so that you run just as behind the dragon. Also, if Ostrava isn't there, its probably because he died in 1-1.

[FrankySox]

If he died in 1-1 is this a bad thing?

[luan87us]

If he died in 1-1 is this a bad thing?

There's a little path on 1-1 that you can go rescue him but I'm sure you will be able to find him in 1-2 too. If you pass that first part of the bridge there will be an underground way on the side of the tower if you head left after entering the underground way and follow it to the end you will find a solder dude there he will help you kill some stuff but most often he's slow and useless lol. I just finished 1-2 at lvl 23 lol >.> talking about over leveled lol.

[FrankySox]

There's a little path on 1-1 that you can go rescue him but I'm sure you will be able to find him in 1-2 too. If you pass that first part of the bridge there will be an underground way on the side of the tower if you head left after entering the underground way and follow it to the end you will find a solder dude there he will help you kill some stuff but most often he's slow and useless lol. I just finished 1-2 at lvl 23 lol >.> talking about over leveled lol.

Yeah I'm about a 23 too. I'm having no trouble defeating anything just can't get across the bridge. Hopefully I can find this Ostrava guy and if not hopefully he's not important.

from reading on the net it seems he's dead because I have the Mosoleum Key in my inventory. Is this a bad thing if he's dead? Do I need him for anything? Not sure if that was a spoiler or not.

[ChibiJosh]

You don't need him for anything. You'll just miss out on a couple items.

[FrankySox]

You don't need him for anything. You'll just miss out on a couple items.

OK cool, I'm glad he's dead then.

[io]

Well I found scirvir and showed him the sword so I guess next I can make it black tendency - although I should probably beat some other worlds/level up a bit first.

OK, well I had some wierdness happen tonight related to that section. I decided after taking out Leechmonger that I would follow the "all events in one playthrough" part of the guide. First off, Leechmonger - yeah, I upped my dexterity a bit (more damage with the bow), got flame arrows, and used the clever rat ring (I let one of those flame spear guys beat on me a while till it activated). Took down Leechmonger in like 2 minutes ;).

Then I played around in 5-2 for a bit and got annihilated by a black phantom in there - some dude with a big sword. I tried it a few times but I couldn't take him down. I ended up getting all the treasure he was guarding though anyway. I then proceeded to lose a few times on the club dudes as well and finally just gave up on that.

So, OK, on to the black WT events in world 2. I had to use ephemeral eyes/suicide about 4 times to make it dark. Then I went all the way down and no Scirvir. So, OK, I did it again - the WT didn't look any different graphically but when I went this time he was there. I almost screwed it up because I let him heal (didn't realize it wasn't just a one-time heal but a long lasting healing that he casts). Eventually I beat him down though. So I got the item he has, then made my way to the primevil demon and killed him without leaving the world (by the way, remember when I said I might have killed him earlier - NO WAY. I didn't realize he was a huge fat slug thing - if someone had mentioned that I would have known I hadn't seen him before!). Anyway, supposedly that puts the WT back near white again. The guide says to take out Flamelurker next and it should go to pure white. So I took on Flamelurker and got slaughtered the first two times. The good news is that I'm getting good at taking the back way ;). Finally, I just held up that purple flame shield and nailed him with soul arrow over and over. I still had to heal a few times though. Then, when I had him down to one more shot I was pretty hurt but I thought I could get the last one in on time. Big mistake - we killed each other simultaneously!. Has this happened to anyone else?

Now, this is where it gets strange. I really thought I'd be screwed because what it did is this:

1) It said I failed and died
2) I got the trophy for beating Flamelurker
3) I got sent back to the 2-2 archstone I believe (forget exactly - maybe it was the Nexus?)
4) However, I was back in body form!
5) Crystal geckos were back
6) No souls for beating the boss :cry:

So I didn't know what to think - it's like I failed and won at the same time. But the WT seemed the same and I didn't have the 2-3 archstone available. So I went to 4-2 to commit suicide first (didn't want to fall on my way to 2-3 and die in body form on world 2 right now and mess up the WT). Then I went to 2-2 and took the shortcut again. I thought I'd have to fight him again, but no, it was clear. Luckily I got Flamelurker's soul from the archstone (my big fear was that this would be gone). Then I could warp there later. So that's a relief.

However, white phantom Scirvir is not where he's supposed to be. Even though I didn't die in body form I guess I didn't get the credit for killing a boss (though it worked in every other sense - resetting geckos, etc). So now I guess maybe I can proceed to 2-3 and kill that boss and have it turn white? The guide says to talk to Scirvir first and then go get that sword from the 2-3 boss. But will it be OK if I kill the 2-3 boss (to hopefully make the WT pure white) and then get that sword and just bring it to Scirvir the first time I talk to him (assuming he shows up)?

I will be travelling all week and would like to wrap up the events for that world in case the WT goes on the fritz while I'm away (since it is affected by online stuff). That means trying the 2-3 boss tomorrow I guess and I don't even know what that is :lol:.

[happy]

My question is HOW THE HELL do you get across that first bridge? I've tried running across it several times only to get caught in flames EVERY TIME. Usually I'm only about halfway. Is there another pass I'm missing here?

Make sure you aren't starting at the very beginning, you are safe a little ways into the bridge (there will probably be a message saying it's safe here). And run right as the thing passes by. A warning, don't run across the second bridge, go downstairs (or just kill the dragon from the top of the first if you have time and magic or arrows).

[Count]

Any of you guys know how to get those trophies that says get the best weapon on shardstone, spiderstone, etc?

Also, make sure your equipment is light, it makes you run faster. I always get caught at the flames everytime too before.

[sendme]

Make sure you aren't starting at the very beginning, you are safe a little ways into the bridge (there will probably be a message saying it's safe here). And run right as the thing passes by. A warning, don't run across the second bridge, go downstairs (or just kill the dragon from the top of the first if you have time and magic or arrows).

If your talking about the one in 1-2 how many souls do you get? I never gave it a thought about killing it but if it is worth it I might go back and kill it.

[Apollo Creed]

If your talking about the one in 1-2 how many souls do you get? I never gave it a thought about killing it but if it is worth it I might go back and kill it.

10,000. Personally, it was worth the 10 mins it took just for safe passage across the bridge.

[happy]

If your talking about the one in 1-2 how many souls do you get? I never gave it a thought about killing it but if it is worth it I might go back and kill it.

If you're a royal (or got the magic regen ring some other way) it's worth it, just stand at the top of the tower after the first bridge and shoot it through the little hole when it swoops down. It takes some practice to get the timing of hitting R1 then the right trigger so it aims correctly, but it's satisfying. You can also get weapons from where it was on 1-1.

In terms of just getting souls, there are better places to go, even running through 1-1 a few times is probably more efficient - and provides a good supply of healing items.

Can you use the red dragon demon's soul for a spell or weapon or anything (it gives one of them as well).

[Poor2More]

Does anyone know if this game supports 7.1 Surround sound? I have the Turtle Beach X41 7.1's and would love to take advantage of these. BTW 7.1 on Uncharted 2 is Amazing.

[ChibiJosh]

Any of you guys know how to get those trophies that says get the best weapon on shardstone, spiderstone, etc?


Upgrade a weapon to the best it can get using those types of stones.



Can you use the red dragon demon's soul for a spell or weapon or anything (it gives one of them as well).

No.

[rgd2blck]

Crazy WT problem.

I read up on your problem and check this out: http://demons-souls.com/wiki/

It explains there may be a bug when killing a demon and dying simultaneously. Very similar to what you experienced. The bug there was regarding a different demon (the 2-3 demon I think, so you better be extra careful! ;)) after which a future game event won't trigger and the game won't progress, but it is similar to your situation because your WT "event" didn't trigger after dying at the same time as killing the boss.

I am unclear about the other ways to get white WT "points" but they seem dependent on having a boss left (e.g., killing invading black phantoms, successfully killing a boss with other blue phantoms you summon).

Killing the last boss should get you there.

[gunm]

For the 1-2 dragon, I only got 7K souls at soul 22-ish for killing it.

You can easily run across the entire length of the top of the bridge using the same strategy you did for the first part. It's actually easier to do this than to go under the bridge due to some difficult to target dog-like critters towards the end of the passage.

[Saint Noir]

Man, I have been trying to farm for chunks of cloudstone forever with no luck. I did so much in my first play through with no results, I said I'll get it next go round. Still no luck. Have black WT and sword of searching. I have been chucking out shards by the hundreds. Think I need 1 or 2 more chunks. Hope I don't have to wait til next play to loot them off that corpse (again).

On the plus the baby rays are easy and give lots of souls. I also got a pure darkmoon stone this go, which was great.

[io]

I read up on your problem and check this out: http://demons-souls.com/wiki/

It explains there may be a bug when killing a demon and dying simultaneously. Very similar to what you experienced. The bug there was regarding a different demon (the 2-3 demon I think, so you better be extra careful! ;)) after which a future game event won't trigger and the game won't progress, but it is similar to your situation because your WT "event" didn't trigger after dying at the same time as killing the boss.

I am unclear about the other ways to get white WT "points" but they seem dependent on having a boss left (e.g., killing invading black phantoms, successfully killing a boss with other blue phantoms you summon).

Killing the last boss should get you there.


Killed the 2-3 boss Saturday and the WT problem resolved itself - when I came back in the debris was gone and the sword was available. Then I went and found Scirvir and he asked me to find it and then I just talked to him immediately again and he gave me the pure greystone (I think that's what it was). That was actually easier than the guide method where it has you go to see him, then beat 2-3, then visit him again! I also got a pure clearstone from the crystal gecko near the 2-3 boss. I was a bit freaked out to see a crystal gecko right at the start of the boss fight seemingly within inches of the dragon's head, and right where he looks. But I was able to run over and blast the gecko with soul arrow and the dragon didn't attack me there. That was a relief as I almost chose to ignore the gecko (but got that pure stone from it instead!).

So then my boys wanted to see some of the bosses I beat earlier. At first I thought they were out of luck until I did NG+ (which I'm nowhere near getting to yet) but then I remembered the blue summon stone! So I put it down by flamelurker and had someone summon me within a minute or two. Then I did it again at the Adjudicator and someone summoned me and another guy. Man, do those boss fights go by SO MUCH easier with multiple people! :lol:

It was nice to clear about 30K souls with very little effort though. But then I went back to the giant spider and the Tower Knight and no one summoned me there. I thought that was odd as I figured more people would want help on the earlier bosses. And Iw as playing Sat night around 11pm Pacific so I thought a fair amount of people would be playing then. Oh well - guess maybe I should try it at Leechmonger.

In any case, it was good fun and a nice way to show the boss fights off to the kids fairly quickly.

So I finished up the world 2 BT/WT events and am starting to work on world 4 as per the guide. But now I have to go out of town for a week :cry:. Man, I wish I could somehow work on my character on my DS while I was away! I'd be a sucker for a handheld version of this game if it allowed that (yeah, I know if such a thing ever happened it would be for the PSP probably but I never bring that with me on trips).

[happy]

Now that I have the dragon god soul, do I want firestorm or God's Wrath? Or should I take fireball because I can cast it more than twice...

I also beat 1-3 - that boss fight was easyBiorr should follow me into all boss fights The level took me a lot of tries to get through though.

[SynGamer]

Where can I sell items early on?

[happy]

Where can I sell items early on?

There is no selling items. You can leave extra items with the storage guy in the Nexus so they don't weigh you down. I actually like the lack of selling items, it seems more realistic, I always found it silly that you can walk up to any person in an rpg and just unload thousands of useless items for tons of cash (Fallout 3 which limited the cash supply of sellers made sense in this way, although ends up being somewhat annoying because there are so many sellers you never really run out of a cash supply).

I hope more rpgs take this economic model of mixing experience and cash, it makes decisions more meaningful.

[SynGamer]

There is no selling items. You can leave extra items with the storage guy in the Nexus so they don't weigh you down. I actually like the lack of selling items, it seems more realistic, I always found it silly that you can walk up to any person in an rpg and just unload thousands of useless items for tons of cash (Fallout 3 which limited the cash supply of sellers made sense in this way, although ends up being somewhat annoying because there are so many sellers you never really run out of a cash supply).

I hope more rpgs take this economic model of mixing experience and cash, it makes decisions more meaningful.

Unrealistic if NPCs take all your items, yes, but we should be able to sell items none-the-less. I'm sure in the game world someone could use my extra Bastard Sword or Claymore or Shield, no? So basically my inventory (storage) is going to be uber cluttered soon enough...lame.

[SynGamer]

"Groundhog Day in Hell" - http://www.virtualshackles.com/52/

[SnoT]

So I made a barbarian should I make something else? So far I have like no ranged weapons at all not even magic. Took me FOREVER to get to the first boss. Not sure if I suck or what.....

Anywho I think I'm Soul level 10 or so. I'm using the plate armor from the shop guy inside the first level, using the heater shield, and the battle axe.

[rgd2blck]

Unrealistic if NPCs take all your items, yes, but we should be able to sell items none-the-less. I'm sure in the game world someone could use my extra Bastard Sword or Claymore or Shield, no? So basically my inventory (storage) is going to be uber cluttered soon enough...lame.

It was a shock to me at first that we couldn't sell items but now it makes sense. Being able to trade items for souls would make items the same as the "storied hero" type of souls we find which act as soul banks to use at our discretion. Using items as a source of souls too would erase the risk of dying.

Killed the 2-3 boss Saturday and the WT problem resolved itself - when I came back in the debris was gone and the sword was available.

Wooo! I was in the same spot last night and I ended up freaking out when I saw that huge demon and let the gecko run away. :(

But then I went back to the giant spider and the Tower Knight and no one summoned me there.

What soul level are you? I think if you hit a soul level and place a blue stone where similar soul leveled players wouldn't be then you probably won't get summoned. Basically out-leveling an area.

I plan on playing NG+ but I have a concern about raising my soul level too high and not finding players to join anymore. At some point I will artificially cap my level.

[rgd2blck]

So I made a barbarian should I make something else? So far I have like no ranged weapons at all not even magic. Took me FOREVER to get to the first boss. Not sure if I suck or what.....

Anywho I think I'm Soul level 10 or so. I'm using the plate armor from the shop guy inside the first level, using the heater shield, and the battle axe.

You just suck, for now. :lol: I started with a non-ranged character as well and I died multiple times on the front steps of the first level. Now I'm much better. Still die a lot though.

I tried a ranged character too but I find the melee combat much more fun. You also learn to judge an enemy's range and attack pattern much faster when you have no choice but to hit it with a stick.

You will find a bow soon and you can always learn ranged spell attacks. There are times it's helpful to have them, like when you want to snipe at a gecko from far away, but the vast majority of time I am fighting up close.

[ChibiJosh]

Unrealistic if NPCs take all your items, yes, but we should be able to sell items none-the-less. I'm sure in the game world someone could use my extra Bastard Sword or Claymore or Shield, no? So basically my inventory (storage) is going to be uber cluttered soon enough...lame.
In the game, people need souls in order to survive. Why would they give you souls for a dozen slave shields or whatever? It doesn't really make sense to be able to sell. As for things becoming cluttered, just drop stuff if you aren't going to use them.

[salty tbone]

In the game, people need souls in order to survive. Why would they give you souls for a dozen slave shields or whatever? It doesn't really make sense to be able to sell. As for things becoming cluttered, just drop stuff if you aren't going to use them.

I have to admit I've been spoiled by RPGs where I unload a dozen short swords and shields for a few GP. Baldur's Gate was one I remember. It definitely makes sense to not be able to sell junk.

But with rare items, it'd be nice if the game recognized you already had a thief ring, so instead of getting a second one later in the game, there would be a soldier's soul on the dead body instead. It's a very minor complaint, though. I'm loving the game. :D

[Saint Noir]

In the game, people need souls in order to survive. Why would they give you souls for a dozen slave shields or whatever? It doesn't really make sense to be able to sell. As for things becoming cluttered, just drop stuff if you aren't going to use them.

Yeah... it was hard to just start dropping stuff constantly. In fact, I need to go through my bank inventory and drop loads of stuff... like slave shields.

[SynGamer]

In the game, people need souls in order to survive. Why would they give you souls for a dozen slave shields or whatever? It doesn't really make sense to be able to sell. As for things becoming cluttered, just drop stuff if you aren't going to use them.

It does make sense though. Perhaps not the slave shields but a Bastard or Claymore sword, an upgraded shield? Surely lower level characters would like to buy those. I mean, the whole point is upgrading your weapons throughout the game. Do what Fallout 3 did and limit the amount of souls each seller/NPC has. This would keep players from abusing the system but allow them to get some extra souls and unload useless (to them) items.

[coolz481]

where do I get a talisman so I can cast miracles? there's an explanation in the guide for 2-2, but it seems way too complicated. i just spent 20000 souls on evacuate, but now can't cast it!!

[Saint Noir]

where do I get a talisman so I can cast miracles? there's an explanation in the guide for 2-2, but it seems way too complicated. i just spent 20000 souls on evacuate, but now can't cast it!!

There is a relatively easy one to grab in 4-1 before the first fog. Just don't go in with lots of souls, the first encounter with skeletons can go badly.

[ChibiJosh]

It does make sense though. Perhaps not the slave shields but a Bastard or Claymore sword, an upgraded shield? Surely lower level characters would like to buy those. I mean, the whole point is upgrading your weapons throughout the game. Do what Fallout 3 did and limit the amount of souls each seller/NPC has. This would keep players from abusing the system but allow them to get some extra souls and unload useless (to them) items.
If there were a system where you could sell items to other players then I could see it, but selling to NPCs doesn't make sense. I mean, the blacksmith in the nexus constantly remarks on how he needs your souls.

[FrankySox]

Ok so if I didn't pick a class that starts with magic how long do I have to wait to get some spells? I've been leveling up my magic a little just so when I could learn a spell I'd be able to use it.

[Saint Noir]

You need to have the magic stats (magic and intelligence) at level 10 to start to learn spells.

[FrankySox]

they are at 10

[Apollo Creed]

You'll need a catalyst as well. It has to be equipped to cast spells.

[gunm]

Rats, the file save is write-protected and they won't let you copy it to another storage device or PS3. I can see why, but now I'd have to start a new game on the PS3 in the main room. :p

[sendme]

There is a relatively easy one to grab in 4-1 before the first fog. Just don't go in with lots of souls, the first encounter with skeletons can go badly.

isn't their another one in 5-1? I tried to get the one in 4-1 but them skeletons are just so damn quick. Also I don't have much to get back MP so it almost seems pointless to use MP right now.

[Saint Noir]

isn't their another one in 5-1? I tried to get the one in 4-1 but them skeletons are just so damn quick. Also I don't have much to get back MP so it almost seems pointless to use MP right now.

Yeah, I think I picked one up early in 5-1 as well. I would much rather deal with skeletons than the creaky boards of 5-1. Prolly just me though. :lol:

EDIT - yeah, equip a catalyst and remember the spell from the teacher.

EDIT 2 - N/M

[io]

What soul level are you? I think if you hit a soul level and place a blue stone where similar soul leveled players wouldn't be then you probably won't get summoned. Basically out-leveling an area.



Oh I dunno - about 50 or so. I guess that could be why - definitely too high for 1-2 and 2-1. I guess I thought that only applied to player vs player setup and not the summoning for help. So you have to be in the same range for summoning too? I guess I need to stick to 2-2, 4-2, and maybe 5-1 for that then. I'd try helping on 2-3 but that one doesn't seem to lend itself to summoned help too much. You might just get in each other's way.

[luan87us]

Anyone know of a good spot to farm/buy Shard of sharpstone, Large shard of sharpstone, chunk of shardstone and Spiderstones? Trying to make Large sword of searching and Sticky CPLB +5 =p

[gunm]

http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/upgrade

[io]

Anyone know of a good spot to farm/buy Shard of sharpstone, Large shard of sharpstone, chunk of shardstone and Spiderstones? Trying to make Large sword of searching and Sticky CPLB +5 =p

Funny that you mention that because I am also trying to upgrade the bow with spiderstones and am having a hell of a hard time finding them. Sharpstones, on the other hand, drop like candy from a pinata. I have oodles of them - I guess I shoudl start working on that sword. I'm not sure what the wiki says, but a place where you can get both is the group of miners off to the right at the beginning of 2-2. I think the pickaxe ones drop sharpstones and the fist-fighting ones drop spiderstones (though only very very rarely for me). I also seem to get nothing but sharpstones from the geckos in world 2. It is highly annoying.

The mini-phalanx creatures at the beginning of 1-2 also drop sharpstones (as well as hardstones). Of course I keep going there to get hardstones (for my shield) and all I get are sharpstones.

So yeah, sharpstones should not be a problem...

[luan87us]

Funny that you mention that because I am also trying to upgrade the bow with spiderstones and am having a hell of a hard time finding them. Sharpstones, on the other hand, drop like candy from a pinata. I have oodles of them - I guess I shoudl start working on that sword. I'm not sure what the wiki says, but a place where you can get both is the group of miners off to the right at the beginning of 2-2. I think the pickaxe ones drop sharpstones and the fist-fighting ones drop spiderstones (though only very very rarely for me). I also seem to get nothing but sharpstones from the geckos in world 2. It is highly annoying.

The mini-phalanx creatures at the beginning of 1-2 also drop sharpstones (as well as hardstones). Of course I keep going there to get hardstones (for my shield) and all I get are sharpstones.

So yeah, sharpstones should not be a problem...

Yeah I knew the mini-phalanx drops sharpstones, just thought since I'm asking might as well include it to see if anyone else would have a better location. Right now I'm not so worry about getting shard of sharpstones, but more worry about finding Large, Chunks and Pure. Hopefully I will have enough eventually.

[gunm]

I started a new game on the other PS3 last night, just for giggles. Almost beat Vanguard in the tutorial. Died once in 1-1 because I tried the stairs pathing trick on the red eyes knight and he broke his way through the barrels instead of trying to go around them. >_<

I was able to save Ostrava this time, at least. :p

[SynGamer]

Just to find out early on, do enemies level up with you or does grinding actually give you an advantage in this game?

[gunm]

Just to find out early on, do enemies level up with you or does grinding actually give you an advantage in this game?



The enemies don't "level", so yeah, farming does help a lot. You can also farm for items like hard/sharpstones, etc.. You just need to find the enemies appropriate to your soul level since each type yields only a fixed amount of souls and you'll outgrow them eventually.

[Jodou]

Just to find out early on, do enemies level up with you or does grinding actually give you an advantage in this game?
Huge advantage. Once you hit about 50 VIT and SL 150, nothing can really touch you. Nothing can one-shot me anymore and with warding on, anything is a joke. My last play-through was flawless; zero deaths.

[SynGamer]

Thanks, I've yet to move onto 1-2. Soul lvl 16 just doesn't seem high enough yet considering the 712 level cap. I may take the Red-Eyed Knight out a couple mores times and then move on. Right now I have a few shards of some stones, should I save those for now and somehow combine them to make a whole stone (if possible) or should I just use them to upgrade my weapons right now?

[SynGamer]

Huge advantage. Once you hit about 50 VIT and SL 150, nothing can really touch you. Nothing can one-shot me anymore and with warding on, anything is a joke. My last play-through was flawless; zero deaths.

I want to lean towards pure mage so I've been leveling up my Magic and some Faith. My 3 main attributes are likely going to be VIT, MAGIC, and either FAITH or LUCK (for drops)...tips/suggestions?

[happy]

Thanks, I've yet to move onto 1-2. Soul lvl 16 just doesn't seem high enough yet considering the 712 level cap. I may take the Red-Eyed Knight out a couple mores times and then move on. Right now I have a few shards of some stones, should I save those for now and somehow combine them to make a whole stone (if possible) or should I just use them to upgrade my weapons right now?

You're ready to go on, especially if you can beat the red knight. I don't think more red knights show up till 1-3.

[gunm]

Thanks, I've yet to move onto 1-2. Soul lvl 16 just doesn't seem high enough yet considering the 712 level cap. I may take the Red-Eyed Knight out a couple mores times and then move on. Right now I have a few shards of some stones, should I save those for now and somehow combine them to make a whole stone (if possible) or should I just use them to upgrade my weapons right now?



I did 1-2 right after 1-1 and it was fine. I'm a little suprised you can take out red eyes since those are level 30.

Anyway, since you can't combine stones, and the kinds of stones you can get at your level are easily farmed, you might as well use them to upgrade your weapons and shield. You can check the wiki to see what the upgrade paths are if you are considering upgrading special weapons/shields.

[happy]

I want to lean towards pure mage so I've been leveling up my Magic and some Faith. My 3 main attributes are likely going to be VIT, MAGIC, and either FAITH or LUCK (for drops)...tips/suggestions?

You want Int, Magic, and Faith then Vit and others. I wouldn't raise luck yet, seems wasted early on since you will need at least 4 playthroughs to get a platinum anyway, no point in boosting luck now.

[Jodou]

I want to lean towards pure mage so I've been leveling up my Magic and some Faith. My 3 main attributes are likely going to be VIT, MAGIC, and either FAITH or LUCK (for drops)...tips/suggestions?
I found the game very melee-friendly, so I can't really speak for mages. VIT is a must for every class, though. Having 1500 HP is night and day when taking on bosses. Luck is worthless, I wish the old de-level trick worked because I'd take mine to -99. Faith only has one offensive spell, God's Wrath, so I'd only take that as far as you need to unlock the slots you need (four total). Magic and Int will be your bread and butter.

[option.iv]

Don't invest in luck. You can't sell items, and most of the better items are looted from the map locations. It also doesn't seem like luck really affects drop that much.

And people say to invest into endurance (at least 40 for max end bar) asap instead of vit, since dodging/blocking is more important in preserving life. But it really depends on how you play. If you're able to consistently dodge and find yourself running out of endurance quick, then bump up endurance. If you get hit instead invest in vit, at least so you don't get OHKO'ed.

Since you're leaning towards mage, you might want to invest mainly in magic and intelligence (up to 30 for at least 200 mp). Faith is ok, but magic defense is really overshadowed by dodging, and you really need a faith focused build if you plan on using God's Wrath. Blessed weapons are nice though.

[SynGamer]

So VIT/MAGIC/INT it is :) I'll leave faith alone since I didn't like what it boosted to begin with and luck is at 8 so I'll leave it there for now.

[gunm]

I'm pumping up STR so I can use PFS, then plan to focus on MAG/INT. If I can, I also want to pump up DEX (for bows) and eventually move to END/VIT.

[Snake2715]

Thanks, I've yet to move onto 1-2. Soul lvl 16 just doesn't seem high enough yet considering the 712 level cap. I may take the Red-Eyed Knight out a couple mores times and then move on. Right now I have a few shards of some stones, should I save those for now and somehow combine them to make a whole stone (if possible) or should I just use them to upgrade my weapons right now?

Concentrate on your person more than upgrades, you will find the better weapons as you move on. I saved a ton of stuff and am finding I still need to farm, to get my weapons where I want.

[DrFoo]

Funny that you mention that because I am also trying to upgrade the bow with spiderstones and am having a hell of a hard time finding them. Sharpstones, on the other hand, drop like candy from a pinata. I have oodles of them - I guess I shoudl start working on that sword. I'm not sure what the wiki says, but a place where you can get both is the group of miners off to the right at the beginning of 2-2. I think the pickaxe ones drop sharpstones and the fist-fighting ones drop spiderstones (though only very very rarely for me). I also seem to get nothing but sharpstones from the geckos in world 2. It is highly annoying.

Yeah I'm having this problem too. The wiki says spider stones are found only in 2-1 and 2-2 but even after beating both levels and doing 10-15 farming runs on the beginning of 2-2 I haven't found a single shard yet (although I have some chunks and a pure). If it's going to take 200 farming runs just to get the 3 shards I need for a level 1 sticky bow I think I give up.


Also 5-2 was easy as hell. Just like with 5-1 I never really came very close to dying at all. The boss went down from just some basic strafing with some back stabbing. And this time I didn't even have help... most of the time. I had to play the second half while the servers were down hehe.

[Saint Noir]

Best advice for spiderstone is to run from 2-2 archstone right and kill those miners. Only fist miners drop spiderstone. Run off cliff, repeat. You may have to do it a ton of times. TON. I ended up just getting my bow to level 4 and upgrading all the way in the next game.

[IRHari]

try doing it in pure black WT, i got at least 1 or 2 EVERY RUN when i killed the dudes in 2-2 in pure black WT, it has a huge influence on drop rate.

[io]

Yeah I'm having this problem too. The wiki says spider stones are found only in 2-1 and 2-2 but even after beating both levels and doing 10-15 farming runs on the beginning of 2-2 I haven't found a single shard yet (although I have some chunks and a pure). If it's going to take 200 farming runs just to get the 3 shards I need for a level 1 sticky bow I think I give up.


Also 5-2 was easy as hell. Just like with 5-1 I never really came very close to dying at all. The boss went down from just some basic strafing with some back stabbing. And this time I didn't even have help... most of the time. I had to play the second half while the servers were down hehe.

See, I'm level 50 and I have found 5-2 to be the hardest yet by far. There's tons of those stupid big club dudes and one hit and they kill me, even with my shield up. That's the difference between being a ranged/magic user and a tank though (we discussed this before in relation to 5-1 which I also had trouble with - not dying so much but taking a lot of time since I had to snipe those big dudes and then run when they came afetr me). There's also a super-fast black phantom with a huge sword down in the lower part of that level. he wiped me out every time I tried to take him on. There's some treasure being guarded by 3 or 4 of those big guys though and I didn't even try to get that - will get it later. Then I finally made it all the way past those things and there's some wierd versions of the little enemies who are normally weak but these have some glowing purple stuff and one killed me from afar when I wasn't paying attention. I guess he's casting spells at me but it was hard to tell. I gave up after that and went to do other stuff.

I think I've put a total of 2 or 3 extra points in vitality in my 50+ levels. Maybe I should do some more.

I was pumping up my luck a bit (but only to 10). I figured kind of the opposite of all of you - I thought increasing the drop chance EARLY would mean over the long haul I'd get more stones and have to do less tedious farming later. I do get a lot of different stones with the exception of those stupid spiderstones...

try doing it in pure black WT, i got at least 1 or 2 EVERY RUN when i killed the dudes in 2-2 in pure black WT, it has a huge influence on drop rate.

I did a bit of that and got NOTHING more than normal. I did the black world 2 stuff and then got it back to white again. It didn't seem to make any difference. I get one spiderstone about every 20 fist dudes that I kill. And it sucks because there are only 2 or 3 in the mine section so it means lots of trips. I guess if I have leftover ephemeral eyes after doing the rest of the WT events I can lower it there again and try some more. It is just highly annoying that the guide says by the point I'm at now I should be able to get the sticky bow to +5. I have it at +3 and that took a lot of work. I'm a long way from getting it to 4, let alone 5 - and that's with tons of farming in 2-2.

[IRHari]

Well, if you beat all the bosses in World 2, you should be able to get the crystal geckos in 2-1 about 3-4 times each. They are the only ones that drop spiderstone chunks and shards, you shouldn't need a pure since you get one from armor spider.

If you have Pure Black WT though, theres a much higher chance for getting chunks or even a pure from the crystal lizards.

[io]

Well, if you beat all the bosses in World 2, you should be able to get the crystal geckos in 2-1 about 3-4 times each. They are the only ones that drop spiderstone chunks and shards, you shouldn't need a pure since you get one from armor spider.

If you have Pure Black WT though, theres a much higher chance for getting chunks or even a pure from the crystal lizards.

I've killed that 2-1 gecko (the one near the beginning) at least 4 times and all I get are sharpstone shards. From some of the others I've gotten other stuff and I even got a pure clearstone from the one by the dragon god (and was at pure white WT at the time to boot). But I've gotten very few spiderstones from all that. I do have the pure of course which is what makes it all the more frustrating not to get the easy ones - I have a few chunks, even, but no shards!

Is there a second crystal gecko on 2-1 besides the one at the very beginning? If so I haven't taken full advantage of that one yet. I've tapped out the beginning one and the one at the start of 2-2 though. Of course there is the nest which I haven't gone to yet, but I'm waiting for the god's wrath miracle before I do that.

Edit - Hah, crap. I was all excited about the pure clearstone I got from the 2-3 gecko but I just read that that is the same thing Ostrava gives you when you save him in 2-3. DAMN! It really is too bad you can't at least selk the stones (esp. extra pure ones!). I have taken such good care of that Ostrava moron and all for nothing, apparently :lol:.

So, as a rundown of the pure stones, here are the "hard" ones:

1) Clearstone - saving Ostrava (not that hard)
2) Graystone - show Scirvir the Dragon Bone Smasher in pure white WT (I just did this)
3) Bladestone - a tough one, only from the black phantom black katana skeletons on 4-2 and also apparently from the one in the hidden passage (also on 4-2) when using sword of searching in pure black WT - I guess I'll have to make that sword as I was just about to go in there!
4) Moonlightstone - only from geckos in 3-2, 3-3
5) Darkmoonstone - only from geckos in 4-2, 4-3
6) Faintstone - 5-2. 5-3 geckos but also apparently from the woman near Urbain but only after you rescue him but before you learn any miracles. Oh, amd faith has to be over 20. Seems like in NG+ you can get this easily enough though.

The rest are either from archstones (after boss fights) or are in the crystal gecko nest or the plague swamp. So, really, the only genuinely tough ones are the ones you can only get from random drops: bladestone, moonlightstone, and darkmoonstone.

[io]

OK, that wiki guide is somewhat misleading - or at least missing info.

I know you can use hardstones to upgrade the purple flame shield to +10 but they don't even have it listed there.

However, it also says you can go from +6 to the "Dark Purple Flame Shield" using cloudstones. I have a TON of these from the manta ray things so I'm wondering if I should do that. I don't have the guide handy (it is 2000+ miles away right now ;)) so could someone look up the advantage/disadvantage of the regular purple flame shield + 10 vs the dark purple + 5?

Or I could keep going with the +10 on the purple flame shield and make a Dark Heater Shield +5... Not sure...

[gunm]

OK, that wiki guide is somewhat misleading - or at least missing info.

I know you can use hardstones to upgrade the purple flame shield to +10 but they don't even have it listed there.

However, it also says you can go from +6 to the "Dark Purple Flame Shield" using cloudstones. I have a TON of these from the manta ray things so I'm wondering if I should do that. I don't have the guide handy (it is 2000+ miles away right now ;)) so could someone look up the advantage/disadvantage of the regular purple flame shield + 10 vs the dark purple + 5?

Or I could keep going with the +10 on the purple flame shield and make a Dark Heater Shield +5... Not sure...



The main difference between Dark and the other branch is that Dark is mainly for Magic Resist. Unfortunately, the damage absorption doesn't scale up like in the "regular" branch. I'm not sure if Magic Resist is as important if your dodge/roll are good.

[Brownjohn]

-According to the wiki, the dark shield +5 offers 70% magic resistance and 90% fire resistance vs 30% magic and 90% fire of the purple shield +10. The +10 shield does offer 82 hit resistance vs 60 on the dark shield, which according to the wiki: The HitRes stat affects how much Stamina is required to block. It lowers the amount of Stamina drained when blocking attacks, and reduces the Stamina required to block "strong" attacks without breaking guard.

[gunm]

Yeah, I personally prefer the hit res over the magic absorption. I assume that MR would be better if you plan to do more PvP.

[sotc1988]

Blue Dragon is giving me a hard time on 1-4. Can't make it up the stairs without getting killed. So far, after beating all the levels, world five was the worst by far. I hated the limited visibility, being poisoned almost always, and the danger of falling off ledges. It sucks that I'm going to miss out on a lot of the white tendency stuff but I'll focus on that in my new game +. I suppose I could still kill myself and revive with the ephemeral eyes until pure black to at least get those items from the black phantoms...
One more thing, if I go to kill sage freke for his armor before fighting the final boss, will his subordinate start attacking me?

[Feeding the Abscess]

I'm using a barbarian (I'm a sucker. Ever since Diablo...), at level 11. Beat the Red Eye guy at level 9 (have only beaten him once since). For the longest time I was getting frustrated from getting killed every three seconds... then I found the guy selling armor. Heh. Now I'm making more steady progress, and use a claymore for crushing power. I know I'm probably not using the best set-up, but I can always make other characters. I ran up to ledge of land right under the dragon in 1-1 and got the flame shield... he cooked me right after I got it, but I was level 9. Still too weak to use it, by the way. ha.

[SynGamer]

I made the mistake of killing the guy in the tower in 1-1, the merchant Dre...something. Would have liked to of gotten some upgrades.

[Feeding the Abscess]

He only sells basic stuff, you didn't miss out on a whole lot. It does make the early part of the game easier to have a set of armor, though. Also, did anyone else find it strange that the boss in 1-1 was far easier than most of the enemies in the stage?

[gunm]

IMO that NPC seller doesn't carry anything better than what I can loot from stuff I kill or stuff I can find randomly. I'd save my souls for leveling, spells, weapon/armor upgrades, or repairs.

1-1 is just for starters. Maybe even just an extension of the tutorial, if you want to look at it that way. The hardest things in there are the red dragon and red eyes knight.

[happy]

He only sells basic stuff, you didn't miss out on a whole lot. It does make the early part of the game easier to have a set of armor, though. Also, did anyone else find it strange that the boss in 1-1 was far easier than most of the enemies in the stage?

You thought that boss was easy? Unless you mean either the red knight or the dragon it was the hardest thing on the stage for me (probably harder than the red knight). That's one of the great things about the game I suppose different things pose different challenges to different players. The easiest bosses for me so far were the giant spider thing and the 1-3 boss (which probably could have been hard)

[SynGamer]

You thought that boss was easy? Unless you mean either the red knight or the dragon it was the hardest thing on the stage for me (probably harder than the red knight). That's one of the great things about the game I suppose different things pose different challenges to different players. The easiest bosses for me so far were the giant spider thing and the 1-3 boss (which probably could have been hard)

Fire bombs from a distance pretty much made this boss cake ;)

[ChibiJosh]

One more thing, if I go to kill sage freke for his armor before fighting the final boss, will his subordinate start attacking me?

If you have poison cloud, you can kill Freke without even Freke attacking you. If you don't have poison cloud, you screwed up.

[SynGamer]

Tips on the Tower Knight? I died almost instantly. Soul Arrow too a sliver of his health...

[ChibiJosh]

Run up the stairs, kill the archers, and hide up there. He can't hit you.

[SynGamer]

Run up the stairs, kill the archers, and hide up there. He can't hit you.

Ok, before I try going back through all of that, which way are the stairs? Also, I'm back at the beginning of the level, if I quit, will I lose my souls and such or will I just pick up in soul form back at the level?

[ChibiJosh]

Ok, before I try going back through all of that, which way are the stairs? Also, I'm back at the beginning of the level, if I quit, will I lose my souls and such or will I just pick up in soul form back at the level?
There are two sets of stairs on both sides of the room toward the back. If you quit, you should begin exactly as you are now (make sure you go into the menu and quit to title screen first).

[Feeding the Abscess]

You thought that boss was easy? Unless you mean either the red knight or the dragon it was the hardest thing on the stage for me (probably harder than the red knight). That's one of the great things about the game I suppose different things pose different challenges to different players. The easiest bosses for me so far were the giant spider thing and the 1-3 boss (which probably could have been hard)

The blob thing? I never even came close to using any sort of healing. I used a claymore on him, it would hit four or five pieces of him at a time.

[gunm]

Tips on the Tower Knight? I died almost instantly. Soul Arrow too a sliver of his health...



Too add, after you take care of the archers, you can use their sniping emplacements to take free shots at the TK. R3 to target his head, then shoot, step back, and let his range attack harmlessly hit the wall.

I try to keep my shield up in case I mis-time the shot.

I did the entire 1-2 run again last night w/o any deaths or other issues, then killed the red dragon again.

When I went to the roost, the nest was empty and I had free reign to pick up the PFS, ring, and other goodies.

[SynGamer]

Beat the Tower Knight, died shortly after and can't get my body back (got my souls though). I have to beat another demon to get my body back don't I...?

Anyway, since I can't go any further in World 1, where should I go now? I'm thinking of some tunnel place...

[ChibiJosh]

To get your body, you either have to kill a boss or use a stone that does it. As for where to go after 1-2, everyone always suggests 2-1

[gunm]

Beat the Tower Knight, died shortly after and can't get my body back (got my souls though). I have to beat another demon to get my body back don't I...?

Anyway, since I can't go any further in World 1, where should I go now? I'm thinking of some tunnel place...



Yeah, you have to beat bosses to regain your physical body.

However, it's actually a little nicer to be in Soul Form when starting a new level since you've got the extra damage and lower aggro radius bonuses, so I just suicide in the Nexus after I beat 'em. I don't want to lose my physical body when starting a new world as I don't want to take down the WT too quickly. Anyway, having a physical form mainly increases your HP to max, which isn't that big a deal really since death comes pretty quickly regardless.

My current track as a primarily Magic user is to try and prep myself to do 3-1 to save Sage Freke as you can pick up more useful spells (like Soul Light) that can be used in the other worlds. The suggested grinding area is 4-1 Shrine of Storms since the skels provide good souls, and there aren't too many environmental dangers to worry about. I had a really hard time dealing with the skels since I'm not very good at melee, and my shield (at the time) had terrible hit res, but now that I have PFS, I should be a little better off. I just have to grind a bit more on blue knights until I have STR 22 and then I'll have another go at 4-1.

[m_d_amore]

if i kill a bunch of guys and go back to nexus will they respawn if i go back before dying or stay clear?

[Saint Noir]

Respawn. If you die... respawn. If you leave... respawn. Only time they don't if you save and quit in a dungeon to play through it later (but don't leave or die). They stay gone til you die, come back for another go, etc.

[gunm]

if i kill a bunch of guys and go back to nexus will they respawn if i go back before dying or stay clear?



They will respawn.

[m_d_amore]

hmm so cashing in as many souls is worth that risk

[sotc1988]

If you have poison cloud, you can kill Freke without even Freke attacking you. If you don't have poison cloud, you screwed up.
I wouldn't be wearing the old king's armor if it wasn't for poison cloud. That tactic will come in handy for the npc's in nexus I decide to kill.

[danny8k]

Finally killed Old King Allant ^_^, so I'm done with world 1 and 2. What do you guys think is the next logical step? It seems some ppl prefer to go to world 4 (for better items), but I don't know if it'll be too hard for me TT

[ChibiJosh]

I don't know what sort of character you're playing, but if you like magic, you should go to 3-1 to free Freke. And then to 4-1 to get poison cloud.

[sotc1988]

I'm kind of at a point where I need to grind because I'm stuck on 1-4 atm so I decided to start a new character. I picked knight because I liked the starting stats and items. The combat is so much easier this time around and I died one time I think while going through 1-1. The phalanx is a pain in the ass with just melee but I just kept using turpentines to beat it.

[gunm]

Yeah, you have to work the stats to get Royals into a more acceptable melee mode. I'm finding that combat is getting a bit easier the more points I dump into STR, and by using a better hit res shield.

[Apollo Creed]

I don't know what sort of character you're playing, but if you like magic, you should go to 3-1 to free Freke. And then to 4-1 to get poison cloud.

Where in 4-1 do I get said poison cloud. I've cleared it, but did not come across it.

I was cruising along in 1-3 ... opened the gate as asked letting in the pile of red eye knights. Soul level 50 and I got smoked. Died prematurely trying to collect my 30k worth of souls. :bomb:

I'm going to go on record to say that by the end of my campaign, I will have probably put in the most hours to achieve the very least. lol

[Saint Noir]

Where in 4-1 do I get said poison cloud. I've cleared it, but did not come across it.

You buy it in the Nexus with the boss' demon soul from 5-1. EDIT - fixed.

[Apollo Creed]

You buy it in the Nexus with the boss' demon soul from 4-1.

I've beat him, I'm pretty sure I still have the soul. Freke doesn't offer it to me. Hmmm. I'll double check tomorrow to make sure I've got the swollen demon's soul.

[Saint Noir]

It's 5-1. Not 4-1. My fault. It's the Wriggling soul. 4-1 soul doesn't give you anything too great... you need to beat 5-1.

[ChibiJosh]

whoops. 4-1 was where i got the fragrant ring. I knew there was something important there. Sorry!

[mr_burnzz]

ey, i just got this game (DE!) and it friggin rocks so hard. Just wanna say thanks to CAG for letting me know about it.

This game is hard as hell but i dont think ive been so into a rpg since chrono trigger and grandia 2. only action rpg ive played was terranigma which was great for SNES.

btw, if you see messages in the first world warning you to beware of the Sticky White Stuff, thats me..lol
Dunno what that is in demons souls but beware the sticky white stuff IRL..especially u girls (probably none here tho)

im royalty class..thank god because some knights with the shiny eyes are too strong for melee. 1 hit deaths all day in this game. but damn, it sure is fun! i already feel my addictive nature coming into play and ive only got like 4 hrs in. I only hope the more i play the more i can understand the terms in this thread. u guys are like speaking another language

[io]

Finally killed Old King Allant ^_^, so I'm done with world 1 and 2. What do you guys think is the next logical step? It seems some ppl prefer to go to world 4 (for better items), but I don't know if it'll be too hard for me TT

Yeah, see, I don't even know what you are talking about (King who?) and I've done a lot of stuff in worlds 3-5. So you have a lot of choices to be sure. Basically, I pretty much haven't gone beyond phase 2 in any world until I finally did 2-3 as it was part of the WT event walkthrough in the guide (they have you doing world 2, then world 4). So when I get back home I finally have to make my way through 4-2 after getting the WT pure black and fighting the guy that I guess appears at the beginning of 4-1. I'm not looking forward to that as I'm sure he'll cream me. If so, I can farm some higher soul values out of the reapers in 4-2 first.

Odd thing abotu 4-2. I said earlier that the "Makoto" sword was down on the ground the first time I went through there (walkthrough says it will be up on a stalagmite until WT is white). Well, I killed myself once or twice in 4 and then went in that area and the body was back up on the stalagmite and had another treasure on him! I'm really wondering what this is - is it another "Makoto" sword or did the game replace it with a storied hero soul or something? I guess I'll find out when I go black WT and then white again.

But yeah, I would go through 3-1 at least and free Freke if you have any interest in magic.

[Apollo Creed]

It's 5-1. Not 4-1. My fault. It's the Wriggling soul. 4-1 soul doesn't give you anything too great... you need to beat 5-1.

No worries. I may take a run at 5-1 today when I'm done work. I should start farming grasses and the like. I burned through my entire inventory the last few days.

Two other questions...

1) How come the npc I speak to at the nexus to learn miracles doesn't offer the option to learn or remember anymore? I think I play this game when I'm far too tired and miss out on 90% of the story.

2) What's the easiest way to get world 2 to pure white? I want the rubble gone at the start of 1-3.

[io]

No worries. I may take a run at 5-1 today when I'm done work. I should start farming grasses and the like. I burned through my entire inventory the last few days.

Two other questions...

1) How come the npc I speak to at the nexus to learn miracles doesn't offer the option to learn or remember anymore? I think I play this game when I'm far too tired and miss out on 90% of the story.

2) What's the easiest way to get world 2 to pure white? I want the rubble gone at the start of 1-3.

2-3 you mean? If you haven't killed all the bosses yet, here's how.
This may not be the "easiest" way but it is the most thorough and takes care of the black WT event too:

First, get it to pure black (commit suicide in body form in world 2 several times - use stones of ephemeral eyes to resurrect in between).
Then you can go fight black phantom Scirvir in the pit area to the right of the 2-2 entrance (past the miners, then down halfway into the pit by two crystal geckos - snipe them first). Bring lots of arrows and snipe him from the planks across the chasm, then maybe hit him with magic when he walks over. He just sat there most of the time and let me pound on him, but he does heal so you have to interrupt that or hit him enough to overcome it. Once you do that, WITHOUT LEAVING the world, go back to 2-1 (die if you have to to get back to the archstone) and make your way to the second elevator (past the rock throwing dudes). Head down and beat the very easy primeval demon. Now you can leave and go back to the Nexus. It should be nearly pure white. Then just kill the 2-2 or 2-3 boss and it will be at pure white. Since you are in 2-3 already I presume you killed the 2-2 boss. Now, if you already killed the 2-3 boss then you may be out of luck as I'm not sure how else you can raise WT besides killing invading black phantoms (other players) which would be tricky at best. Once you clear the rubble in 2-3 and get the item there, make sure to visit the white WT Scirvir (commit suicide in the Nexus or another world so you don't die in body form on the way down to see him as that will make him go away!). You will get another item from him for showing him the one from 2-3.

[Apollo Creed]

2-3 you mean? If you haven't killed all the bosses yet, here's how.
This may not be the "easiest" way but it is the most thorough and takes care of the black WT event too:

First, get it to pure black (commit suicide in body form in world 2 several times - use stones of ephemeral eyes to resurrect in between).
Then you can go fight black phantom Scirvir in the pit area to the right of the 2-2 entrance (past the miners, then down halfway into the pit by two crystal geckos - snipe them first). Bring lots of arrows and snipe him from the planks across the chasm, then maybe hit him with magic when he walks over. He just sat there most of the time and let me pound on him, but he does heal so you have to interrupt that or hit him enough to overcome it. Once you do that, WITHOUT LEAVING the world, go back to 2-1 (die if you have to to get back to the archstone) and make your way to the second elevator (past the rock throwing dudes). Head down and beat the very easy primeval demon. Now you can leave and go back to the Nexus. It should be nearly pure white. Then just kill the 2-2 or 2-3 boss and it will be at pure white. Since you are in 2-3 already I presume you killed the 2-2 boss. Now, if you already killed the 2-3 boss then you may be out of luck as I'm not sure how else you can raise WT besides killing invading black phantoms (other players) which would be tricky at best. Once you clear the rubble in 2-3 and get the item there, make sure to visit the white WT Scirvir (commit suicide in the Nexus or another world so you don't die in body form on the way down to see him as that will make him go away!). You will get another item from him for showing him the one from 2-3.

My bad, 2-3 rubble. I think I'm screwed -- I've killed bosses in world 2-1, 2-2 and 2-3. :bomb: Oh well. I'll just move it to pure black to take out black phantom Scirvir.

[Saint Noir]

My bad, 2-3 rubble. I think I'm screwed -- I've killed bosses in world 2-1, 2-2 and 2-3. :bomb: Oh well. I'll just move it to pure black to take out black phantom Scirvir.

If you go pure black and kill the BP and the primeval demon (in one go without going to the Nexus) that will get it very close to pure white. And since the WT has a mind of its own, it will probably inch up to pure white eventually. I had this happen in world 3.

[SynGamer]

Is there a list of items for each level of each world that shouldn't be missed? Just want to make sure I don't miss anything.

[gunm]

What do you mean, for trophies and such?

[jmbreci]

Yeah...never run through a play while sleep deprived...finally got to put more than 30 minutes into it and got to Phalanx....then realized I did not have any firebombs or turpentine with me. Stupid, party of one. :)

Tonight will be a different story....just need to kill a bunch of things to get some souls so I can purchase some items.....

[gunm]

As long as you have a sweeping weapon that can hit the minis from the side, you don't really need firebombs or turpentine to beat phalanx, but it makes the battle go by a lot quicker and easier. Usually, a single run through 1-1 will net you at least 1 firebomb though.

[SoulReaver]

So what level should you do after beating 1-1?

[gunm]

You can try whatever level. Some go to 2-1 or 4-1, I went to 1-2 (playing Royal).

Last night for me was just farming stones and grinding out souls so I could hit STR22 (on my other save)--PFS is nice. I'm planning to do the 1-2 rescue of Ostrava before tackling the skells in 4-1 again. Or might just grind souls on my first save, but in that one Ostrava died in 1-1.

[SynGamer]

What do you mean, for trophies and such?

Weapons, trophies, spells, armor. Things that I can't get without playing a new game essentially...stuff that are important. :)

[gunm]

For trophies, you can't get everything on one play through. As for important items, that stuff would probably depend on your style of play. Many players like Clever Rat's Ring as it can be combined with the Morion Blade for much better damage. Most other high-end items are "crafted" from regular equipment coupled with stones and Demon Souls. I don't know if there are too many special treasure drops that you need to specifically hunt around for as opposed to just naturally find or obtain during the normal course of exploration and beating the level. Things like Winged Spear and Short Compound Bow, I found pretty easily just by killing stuff. I think the Long Compound Bow you can find in the normal course of exploring as well...

[sotc1988]

Hell yeah. Beat the 1-4 archdemon after figuring out the zig zag path you have to take to make it past the second bridge unscathed. He wasn't as bad as I thought he would be and he only stole one of my soul levels. Killed off the three important npc's in nexus and finished the game at 86 soul level. Kind of sucks having to sit on 100k+ souls until I beat 1-1 in my new game +. Also got the beast talisman thing before I beat the game.

[salty tbone]

Hell yeah. Beat the 1-4 archdemon after figuring out the zig zag path you have to take to make it past the second bridge unscathed. He wasn't as bad as I thought he would be and he only stole one of my soul levels. Killed off the three important npc's in nexus and finished the game at 86 soul level. Kind of sucks having to sit on 100k+ souls until I beat 1-1 in my new game +. Also got the beast talisman thing before I beat the game.

Hey, that's exactly what I did today, although I lost three soul levels on the final boss to finish at 86. :bomb:

I started my New Game + and breezed through 1-1 without dying. I thought "This ain't so tough," but now I'm quickly realizing I need to sharpen my skills. The rolling skeletons are a lot tougher. I beat the 4-1 boss on the first try in the last game. This time I've died four times and I haven't even gotten any good licks on him.

Killing all those NPCs at the end of the first game and putting myself in CT Pure Black is a pain in my butt right now. Especially when I choked away two chances at killing invading black phantoms.

[SynGamer]

Be warned: the Old One's power will grow on All Hallow's Eve (http://www.atlus.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4901)

[Brownjohn]

Be warned: the Old One's power will grow on All Hallow's Eve (http://www.atlus.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4901)

Nice. It looks like a permanent black WT all day. Hopefully I have some time to play on saturday.

[Saint Noir]

Be warned: the Old One's power will grow on All Hallow's Eve (http://www.atlus.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4901)

This is awesome. I still have 3 worlds where I need to do the black WT events... this will save me a whole pile of stones.

[Jodou]

Be warned: the Old One's power will grow on All Hallow's Eve (http://www.atlus.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4901)
Ha, sweet. Wish there was something unique given out during the event, though. Only reason for me to play would be grinding in 4-2 since that's crazy good exp in pure black.

[gunm]

Rats, I'm nowhere near finishing New Game. I don't think I can handle pure black WT enemies, lol.

It's cool that they can do that, though. Very MMO for a technically non-MMO game.

[io]

Awesome - and I get home late Friday night. Saturday will be a busy day - hopefully they keep it running till at least midnight Pacific and don't just do that Eastern time zone crap.

This means maybe I can farm some spiderstones in world 2 in addition to the other black WT events.

Here's the problem though: normally killing the black phantom + primeval demon would raise the WT back to near pure white. So what happens on this day? Will it stay black just for the day and then go back to near pure white if you do those things, or just back to where it was before?

[SynGamer]

I'll definitely be playing even though I doubt I'll get very far. Hoping drops are slightly improved for regular enemies...curious to see what other changes they can make for the game.

[gunm]

Sounds like an all-day event, but really they didn't specify exactly.

Maybe I'll start yet another game save just to fool around.

[Saint Noir]

Sounds like an all-day event, but really they didn't specify exactly.

Yeah, if anyone sees clarification, make sure to pass it on!

Was also a great way to keep it in the news and on people's minds. Go Atlus!

[Jodou]

Here's the problem though: normally killing the black phantom + primeval demon would raise the WT back to near pure white. So what happens on this day? Will it stay black just for the day and then go back to near pure white if you do those things, or just back to where it was before?
Guess we'll find out. On a side note, how awesome would it be if primeval demons weren't one spawn per playthrough? You could just farm colorless demon's souls all day long!

[luan87us]

Oh sweet time to farm some ores xD

[Saint Noir]

Guess we'll find out. On a side note, how awesome would it be if primeval demons weren't one spawn per playthrough? You could just farm colorless demon's souls all day long!

This... I was secretly hoping they would at least respawn once that day... :lol:

[io]

Guess we'll find out. On a side note, how awesome would it be if primeval demons weren't one spawn per playthrough? You could just farm colorless demon's souls all day long!

I was lucky enough to get one on the one and only primeval demon I've faced so far. But then I saw that one miracle requires THREE of them! D'oh!

[sotc1988]

Oh that's awesome. It will give me an easy chance to kill the five black phantoms and primevals.

[gunm]

Hm, the Atlus forum site admin mentioned the event lasts all weekend starting Friday?

[io]

Well, now, that's pretty awesome since I'll be heading home tomorrow. I have a cross-country flight and won't be home till 10pm or so - and I will have been on East Coast time where I'll be getting up at 6am Eastern Friday after getting about 3 hours of sleep (if I'm lucky). Still working here in the office now :cry:.

But regardless, I'll have to fire up DS and check this out as soon as I get home and say hi to the kids ;).

Now, if anyone is registered there can they ask if the worlds will jump to high WT once the weekend is over if you kill the black phantoms and primeval demons? 'Cause of course it is harder to get everything back to white - getting to black is pretty easy. So I don't want them all stuck at black after the weekend is over with no phantoms or primeval demons left to kill to recover. Or even of it just goes back to where it was that isn't much good.

[Snake2715]

you guys so if I have beat a level in a world and return when the world is all black WT will the primevils show up?

I have not touched the game in a week or so. Beat Uncharted 2 and tried finishing the Pixel Junk Monsters... also started Little Big Planet GOTY with the wife..

Was planning on coming back to this game this weekend... This is sweet.

[gunm]

You don't need pure black WT for the primevals to show up, only the black phantom NPCs would need pure black.

Atlus didn't really say how they were going to do this. One of the forum admins did mention that they would start changing the worlds on Friday, so it sounds like it will be a gradual thing? Well, we'll find out tomorrow, I guess...

[ChibiJosh]

I ran into a cool black phantom. In exchange for helping him transfer some items from one char to another, he gave me 2 pure darkmoonstone plus a +10 purple flame shield.

edit: he also gave me 6 fully upgraded weapons... jeez.

[gunm]

Damn, I wish I could run into a BP like that, lol.

[SynGamer]

I ran into a cool black phantom. In exchange for helping him transfer some items from one char to another, he gave me 2 pure darkmoonstone plus a +10 purple flame shield.

edit: he also gave me 6 fully upgraded weapons... jeez.

Spread the wealth?

[ChibiJosh]

You need to be near level 100.

[SynGamer]

You need to be near level 100.

I'll take anything now and save it for later :)

[ChibiJosh]

No. You need to be near level 100 to meet me.

[SynGamer]

No. You need to be near level 100 to meet me.

Oh, well that's gay.

[mr_burnzz]

funny as hell how the thread tags are fap fap fap

this game is owning me so bad...im trying to play it without the guide or anything but it seems impossible.

[salty tbone]

funny as hell how the thread tags are fap fap fap

this game is owning me so bad...im trying to play it without the guide or anything but it seems impossible.

That is truly old-school hardcore. My hat's off to you, because without the guide or Wiki I would've been lost a couple of places. I remember thinking "If I didn't know that's what I was supposed to do, there's no way I would've done it." Stages 2-3 and 3-2 come to mind.

[gunm]

Yeah, that's pretty crazy to play blind in a game that is all about being prepared. Kudos to anyone still hanging in playing like that.

[Feeding the Abscess]

I have the deluxe edition, but I'm playing blind. It gives a greater sense of anticipation that way. Makes it almost feel like a mix of Silent Hill and Metal Gear.

Also, from what you guys are saying, the BP thing could turn into a Diablo-esque gear swap deal. Pretty awesome, I think.

[FrankySox]

Is there a link someone could give me that describes in full the World Tendencies and the Phantoms. I see a lot of people talking about all white and all black World Tendencies as well as Black and White Phantoms. I have no idea what these are and I don't really understand the links I've found off of google. I also see no mention of it in IGN's guide.

Oh yeah and the 2-2 boss is a bitch.

[gunm]

Is there a link someone could give me that describes in full the World Tendencies and the Phantoms. I see a lot of people talking about all white and all black World Tendencies as well as Black and White Phantoms. I have no idea what these are and I don't really understand the links I've found off of google. I also see no mention of it in IGN's guide.

Oh yeah and the 2-2 boss is a bitch.



http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/world-tendency

[bjstucker]

No. You need to be near level 100 to meet me.


I am close to this will you help me I believe you are on my friends list:bouncy:

did this give you more trophies?

[Snake2715]

I will link the Black WT Events for future references
Black World Tendency
Black World Tendency increases enemy HP, damage, exp, and drop (better upgrade stones).
All Primeval Demons DO NOT require Pure Black world tendency to show up. They appear in levels that are close to Pure Black. May drop Colorless Demon's Soul.
All unique NPC Black Phantoms require Pure Black world tendency to show up.

1-1

The door on the left near the starting point will be unlocked. (Pure Black World Tendency)
Black Phantom Executioner Miralda hiding in the left side of the stairwell. Defeat her to get Guillotine Axe. (Pure Black World Tendency)
2x black phantoms near the Red Eyes Knight
1-2

2x black phantoms before the boss
1-3

2x Black Phantom Fat Ministers on top of the highest point of the castle, you might want to have Anti Magic Field ready for this.
They appears in a short passage after the Red Eyes Knight and 3 crossbow soldiers.
They will magically appear and you will be sandwiched between them.
Slowly move to the one behind you and go around it.
After that, you can shoot arrows at them to take them down.
Just be careful of their fireball, but they will stop and laugh before casting, so you should have a lot of time to get away.
Primeval demon after you past the 2 BP ministers you look down from the castle and you will see it(Pure Black World Tendency)
2-1

Primeval demon located outside at the bottom of the building where enemies were chucking boulders — use the moving platform to get there (you can see the big shiny demon below from stairs at the archstone).
May drop Colorless Demon's Soul when killed.
The wheel to activate the platform is inside the building (the 2 rock throwers are at the upper level), search carefully.
Note: not the area where Blacksmith Ed is located.
Black Phantom Pick Axe Wielder added to the 3 Flame Blade Wielder. If you break the barrels and cart straight ahead from here, it will lead to the outside where you can activate the rotating platform to Blacksmith Ed.
Black Phantom Pick Axe Wielder at the last Wooden Bridge left turn before Boss area.
2 Black Phantom Pick Axe Wielder added to the group of Flame Blade wielder and stone throwers (they are alert to rear approach also). Note: there is a Crystal Gecko in front of them.
2-2

Wanderer Scirvir (Black Phantom)
Drops Talisman of Beast when killed.
You may want to cast Anti-Magic Field to prevent him from casting Fireball.
If you can wield a heavy weapon, knock him off the cliff to kill him instantly.
Don't worry about his loot at the bottom, just Load the game and his loot will be at his original position in the tunnel.
Note: There is a Crystal Gecko in the cave with him.
If you've shown him the Dragon Bone Smasher, he will still appear - (confirmed)
Black Phantom Bearbug (small one) on path uphill from Filthy Man (Vendor), near the crystal gecko spawn location.
Black Phantom Bearbug (small one) at location where there are 3 worms, right in front of the tunnel leading to the lava area.
Black Phantom Bearbug (small one) at lava area, in front of middle passage.
3-1

Black Phantom Mind Flayer outside the door on 1F behind the Legion enemy, towards Ballista
Black Phantom Mind Flayer where the 2 jailer's corridors come together at the exit door and 2 guards patrol
Black Phantom Mind Flayer on the open path between the jailer's corridor exit and the first tower
2F, Black Phantom Rydell standing outside of his cell on the landing. He will still appear whether you have freed him or not.
Drops the unique Phosphorescent Pole if defeated.
3-2

Two Black phantom Face Worms at the swamp (Black World Tendency)
One Black Phantom Face Worm on bridge leading to second chain tower, just past the Crystal Gecko
Primeval demon at the swamp, where the boardwalk leads to a dead end on land. (Pure Black World Tendency)
May drop Colorless Demon's Soul when killed.
4-1

Satsuki (phantom) shows up at the entrance, drops Gripless katana (Pure Black World Tendency)
Black Phantom Silver Skeleton with Swordshows up at the first set of stairs. (Black World Tendency)
Black Phantom Silver Skeleton with Sword opposite the cliff. (Black World Tendency)
Black Phantom Golden Skeleton at location of Adjudictator's Shield. (Black World Tendency)
Black Phantom Golden Skeleton along the edge of the cliff. (Black World Tendency)
Black Phantom Silver Skeleton with Bow along the edge of the cliff. (Black World Tendency)
4-2

Primeval demon within the left staircase (has a breakable wall/archway) near the first reaper. (Pure Black World Tendency). After killing the Dual-Katana wielding skeleton, look for a pathway along the left side of the cliff to walk up. About half way up you should see it, a crystal gecko appears right before it.
May drop Colorless Demon's Soul when killed.
Two Black Phantom Golden Skeletons outside on cliffside after the second reaper.
One Black Phantom Dual Katana Skeleton outside on cliffside after the second reaper.
5-1

Black Phantom normal Goblins added at several points (one dropped an Ephemeral Eye)
5-2

Black Phantom giant goblin at the last island of the first swamp with the first giant goblin (dropped Ephemeral Eyes every time)
Black Phantom giant goblin after the slug nest standing with 2 normal giant goblins
Black Phantom giant goblin before the boss area, sort of near the goblin shaman
Black Phantom Selen Vinland (Pure Black World Tendency), drops Blind.
Primeval demon at the end of the swamp, before going up the path that leads to the chain tower (Pure Black World Tendency)
May drop Colorless Demon's Soul when killed…

From the wiki

[Apollo Creed]

Oh yeah and the 2-2 boss is a bitch.

You're telling me, man. I decided to start a second game as a Knight and was pretty much untouchable through 1-1, 2-1 and 2-2 ... right until the boss. So much for going for pure white.

[sotc1988]

To get pure white just suicide and revive a few times (and return to Nexus every death) to get pure black. Then kill the npc black phantom and a primeval demon (this will get you very close but you have to kill both without returning to nexus). Now just kill one boss and then you will be in pure white.

[SnoT]

(http://kotaku.com/5393483/demons-souls-gets-even-harder-for-halloween)


oOps didn't notice it was posted

[SynGamer]

Man, this really makes me wish I was a bit further in the game/higher level. No way I can really take these on.

[io]

To get pure white just suicide and revive a few times (and return to Nexus every death) to get pure black. Then kill the npc black phantom and a primeval demon (this will get you very close but you have to kill both without returning to nexus). Now just kill one boss and then you will be in pure white.

Yeah, but the big question is if we do this during the special weekend, will it go to pure white then still, or after the weekend is over, or not at all since everything might get reset? In that last case, then you are screwed because the black phantom NPC and primeval demons will be gone.

I may just use the opportunity to farm some hard-to-find stones and then play like normal (doing the WT stuff) after the weekend. In particular, I'd like to score spiderstones from 2-2 where otherwise I have already done the WT events. I was going to make that black again the hard way (suicide, ephemeral eyes) just to do that so this weekend will save me time and stones of ephemeral eyes.

[ChibiJosh]

I am close to this will you help me I believe you are on my friends list:bouncy:

did this give you more trophies?

Yeah, I wouldn't mind helping you sometime. I got like 6 or 7 of the upgrade trophies.

[jmbreci]

Hmmmm...how do I find more time....kids birthday party tonight....Halloween tomorrow....sheesh....and I just finished up 1-1.....stupid upper respiratory infection.

I am pretty much addicted though...just not sure if I like the Hunter or not....hard to go back when I am already SL16....but that's not far into the game...and, like everyone else, I have learned a lot grinding my way through 1-1.

[Saint Noir]

Good article... this quote... "We designed it so that players are likely to die if they aren't paying attention,"

I was JUST running up some stairs where I forgot a BP was... one arrow and I was out. :lol:

In Praise of Hard Games
http://kotaku.com/5392920/in-praise-of-hard-games?skyline=true&s=x

[ChibiJosh]

Has anyone tried this today? Are the worlds black?

[SynGamer]

Playing right now and my WT's are all white...not really sure how to tell if they are black or not unless the world literally gets darker?

[Apollo Creed]

Has anyone tried this today? Are the worlds black?

Nope. Not black as of yet.

[Droenixjpn]

I'll be getting this game for Christmas probably, or if I'm lucky soon. :D

[gunm]

Playing right now and my WT's are all white...not really sure how to tell if they are black or not unless the world literally gets darker?


Naw, you just check the WT status screen like normal. When an Archstone is black, you'll know the WT for that particular world is black as well.

[SynGamer]

In 2-1 grinding a bit. At Soul Level 25 right now I believe, would like to be able to kill the miners in one shot (Soul Arrow). Right now I basically take them down to just a sliver of health and it's kind of annoying.

[gunm]

Last night I just did up to the second fog in 4-1. Took out Vanguard...decided to try arrows since he just stands there and let's you plink him. I forgot the "shiny shiny", but I guess I'll just run through it again later. I'm wondering if I should just grind in 2-1 also.

[sotc1988]

Goddamn these black phantom npc's are hard on new game +. Killed black phantoms in worlds 1, 2, and 4.

[ChibiJosh]

event start!

[gunm]

Are all the archstones black, or just certain ones?

[ChibiJosh]

All. You may need to log out and then back in for it to work.

[Droenixjpn]

*Wants this game badly* Going to request this game from my mother, maybe she'll pick it up for me.

[Saint Noir]

All. You may need to log out and then back in for it to work.

Sweet. I'll have to finish 3-1 and 5-1 real quick before I log on.

[Snake2715]

i am half way through the game probably but I am about to log on and do what I can with whatever worlds I can.

There is no side effect to this correct? As in will I kill something that I need to keep for a WT first? I keep my spoilers to the minimum, but this is a special weekend.

[gunm]

It's not really clear what exactly is going to happen after the event is over. Will Atlus reset the WT to default/white? I dunno, but offhand I think that's what's going to happen. If you're going to play online, then you might as well just play to have fun and not worry too much about WT/CT. If you're pushing for a specific playthrough or have specific goals you're in the middle of trying to accomplish, I guess you can just play offline until the event is over.

[Snake2715]

Oh no I am going online. No sense in skipping it... I mean what would they do next? All White on Christmas, I doubt it.

Hmm not all black here...

[gunm]

You might have to log out and log in again.

[Snake2715]

is it all black for you gunm or just starting to go black?

I will log all the way out of psn and try again.

[ChibiJosh]

You may need to log out and back in 2 or 3 times. The first time I did it, it wasn't pure black because I went to 1-1 to kill BP Miralda and she wasn't there, so I logged out and back in, and she was there the second time.

[Arkay Firestar]

Instead of logging out and in, try simply returning to the nexus and then to another archstone.

[ChibiJosh]

BPs on the first 3 worlds dead. I died about 5 times trying to beat Satsuki on 4. The graverobber ring doesn't work so well with him. Doesn't really matter since I already have 2 of the weapon that he drops. I can't see myself getting to the BP on 5-2 since I haven't beaten 5-1 yet.

[Saint Noir]

Satsuki was by far the most hardcore I have faced. Hated that guy.

[Snake2715]

so do the black phantoms keep regenerating? Does it gain me anything (trophies, etc) to know all of them out in a single level?

[ChibiJosh]

The named BPs don't regenerate. There is one of these in every world (not every level). All of them but the one from level 4 drops a unique weapon (which you need to get that one trophy). They also give you lots of souls.

[Snake2715]

Thanks ChibiJosh.

Alright guys what I am looking for when I am after a primevil?

I looked in 4-2 where I found the bow and nothing... it is pure black WT the phantoms are all there.


*edit... nevermind it still was not all black.. the phantoms were showing. i checked at level 1-1 the gate.


Finally that is a good way to check. I was thinking i was pure black due to the phantoms showing.

[Saint Noir]

Also, killing the BPs is the best way to raise your character tendency to white to get the friend's ring. For that other trophy.

[Jodou]

Logged in and everything was neutral. Killed a few bosses and took world 2 pure white. Fail event is fail. :\

[Feeding the Abscess]

It's not really clear what exactly is going to happen after the event is over. Will Atlus reset the WT to default/white? I dunno, but offhand I think that's what's going to happen. If you're going to play online, then you might as well just play to have fun and not worry too much about WT/CT. If you're pushing for a specific playthrough or have specific goals you're in the middle of trying to accomplish, I guess you can just play offline until the event is over.

You can play offline? Serious question.

Also, what soul level should I be at to fight the black phantom in 1-1? General range. Using PFS, club, and 1-1 helmet and leggings from Dreglin or whatever his name is.

[Snake2715]

Logged in and everything was neutral. Killed a few bosses and took world 2 pure white. Fail event is fail. :\


I did the same..

however I logged off. Went out, pulled my access point. Logged in turned on the game and it was almost black again.. do that twice and its pure black again for me.

So in reality you could get both white and black WT events knocked out this weekend... hmmm..

FYI

[ChibiJosh]

Logged in and everything was neutral. Killed a few bosses and took world 2 pure white. Fail event is fail. :\

Log off and log back in. After killing the BPs (and getting them back to neutral-ish), I logged out and logged back on and it was back to black again.