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11-05-2009, 07:50 PM

A full suit of brushwood; the same armor from the tower in 1-1. BTW, the Brushwood shield +5 is the best in the game since it's 100% fire and melee damage absorbant. Against magic, Dark Silver shield +5 is a no brainer at 100% (or Large Sword of Moonlight with both hands since it's 80%).

To get past that dragon, you can use the Brushwood shield to bare the brunt near the top of the stairs and then walk the rest of the way past his range.

Ah, well, I seem to remember I could barely carry that armor, let alone wear it :lol:. That's the stuff past Miralda, right? In any case, pegging that dragon with arrows from just beyond the fire worked perfectly fine, though it was a bit tedious.

And what's with all this talk of running past Miralda to get the treasures? If you don't want to fight her all you have to do is come back when the WT isn't black any more and the gate will still be open but she won't be there. I just killed her with 2 x poison cloud though - easy enough. It would have been fun to make her run off the edge though ;). Syn - I'm surprised her body was still there when you came back in. I thought drops like that went away if you returned to the Nexus or died? I know I lost Biorr's drops when I went back to fight the blue dragon the second time.

Great axe, have one of those, they too knock people over... is it not true that if you do a heavy swing (cant remember the neame) you are invincible for a short period? If so you could roll forward for a stike and do a heavy swing. That may get you past one, or knock him down.

Also isnt there a spell that stops magic form being cast? I swear I read that people used it on the BP scirvir....

There is but I haven't gotten the right demon for it yet. And besides, when I went back there the other day those guys were gone so it is a non-issue now. Boy is that level (1-3) so much easier without those clowns there :lol:.

Just an aside to the BP Satsuki conversation a few days ago when someone said there's no cheap way to kill him. Today I started at the 4-2 archstone, backtracked while backstabbing every fool I came across, then soulsucker-ed Satsuki. Like a dope, I even first tried to do it with not enough MP. So while standing within arms reach I used old spice then used soulsucker.

So while you can only do this on a second playthrough, it's possible.

And since I beat him straight up the first time, I don't feel AS cheap this time. I just wanted to see if it was possible since he seems to have a high detection range.

Hmmm... So I wonder if I could do this but by going up to where the black katana skeleton is and hitting him with arrows from up there. He won't be able to get up to that spot.

Also, did anyone else notice that in non-pure black or white WT he is standing up on that rampart above the first skeleton? He is hard to see but he is there, in body form. The first time I saw him I took a shot at him because I thought he was a skeleton archer. He just backed away and I couldn't see him any more.

ugh my 2-1 spiderstone lizard escaped. besides the 2-2 fist miners anywhere else to get spider?

The first 2-1 lizard didn't drop many for me anyway (and I got him 4 or 5 times). You need to hit up the later ones for spiderstones. There is one later in 2-1 (to the left up the stairs before you go outside to where the elevator is that goes to the blacksmith) that dropped them the other night when I found him. And at that point I didn't even need any more spiderstones. I spent a lot of time last weekend farming them from the fist miners when the WT was black - got all I needed that way. So you could lower the WT and farm those guys too.

Oh, and ChibiJosh - I've now killed 3 black phantom NPCs and I am not able to get the friend's ring from the Monumental. I will take care of Selen or whatever her name is (in 5-2) and then see if I can get it. Hopefully I can do it without dealing with Satsuki.

Saint Noir

11-05-2009, 07:58 PM

ugh my 2-1 spiderstone lizard escaped. besides the 2-2 fist miners anywhere else to get spider?

2-2 fist miners are unfortunately the best bet. Terrible drop rate on the chunks.

ChibiJosh

11-05-2009, 08:01 PM

Oh, and ChibiJosh - I've now killed 3 black phantom NPCs and I am not able to get the friend's ring from the Monumental. I will take care of Selen or whatever her name is (in 5-2) and then see if I can get it. Hopefully I can do it without dealing with Satsuki.

I have two of them, I'll give you one if you want. You'll need to level up though.

Saint Noir

11-05-2009, 08:04 PM

I am almost pure white CT I think... I hope. I want the friends ring so I can start being a blue helper more. On that note... time to start rez some random dudes.

ChibiJosh

11-05-2009, 08:06 PM

Oo! I need rezzes!

Loonknight

11-05-2009, 08:10 PM

This happened to me too... world tendency is kind of loopy. Mine went back to pure white on its own shortly after it dropped slightly.

Good to know, I'll check out my WT again today before I finish up the last parts of 1-3 and 1-4. I've noticed if I make a world pure black then go to bed I tend to have to suicide again before I start playing it again since the WT went up while I was away so there might be some truth to it whitening a bit on its own.

Saint Noir

11-05-2009, 08:30 PM

Oo! I need rezzes!

Just say when. I don't know why I find it so funny to summon people to my realm and send them back with rez immediately before they knew what happened. I laugh every time. Maniacally even.

ChibiJosh

11-05-2009, 08:33 PM

I'm in the middle of 5-2 right now. Hoping I can get the bridge down before I die.

Saint Noir

11-05-2009, 08:38 PM

I'm in the middle of 5-2 right now. Hoping I can get the bridge down before I die.

My second playthrough of 5 left me with the impression I hate 5-1 much more than 5-2. With black leather and poison ring, I only got poisoned once in 5-2. Got to the end, died, got mad. Blazed straight through the second time again with no issues. 5-1 was making me very angry though... :lol:

ChibiJosh

11-05-2009, 08:40 PM

I died... I was fighting the giant golbins with my bow (because they kill me one hit) and I didn't notice I got poisoned, and I died from that... I hate myself.

Saint Noir

11-05-2009, 08:59 PM

Alright, so resurrection does not improve your character tendency. I started checking with North Regalia. If you still need rez though, just let me know.

ChibiJosh

11-05-2009, 09:08 PM

1 more time, so I can get my body back.

Saint Noir

11-05-2009, 10:07 PM

Stupid BP Rydell one shot killed me. I'll show him, I put on graverobber, thief and clock spell. He can't see a thing. Poison! :lol:

salty tbone

11-05-2009, 10:27 PM

Hmmm... So I wonder if I could do this but by going up to where the black katana skeleton is and hitting him with arrows from up there. He won't be able to get up to that spot.

I tried this, but I only got three arrow hits on him before I got bored. After the first hit, he starts running all over creation. I tried baiting him with those soul remains thingies, but he never stood still. He even circled around and came up behind me at one point while I was standing on a little ledge below the black katana skeleton area.

So, in other words, I wouldn't go through the trouble of backtracking if you don't have soulsucker. :)

gunm

11-05-2009, 10:34 PM

Yeah, it's kind of hard to bait certain mobs, 'cause they run all over the place, making manual zoom/aim on the bow pretty difficult.

11-06-2009, 08:01 AM

So, yeah, I thought 5-3 was going to be another long slog through a horrible swamp but it was very short, and relatively easy. First I took care of black phantom Selen Vinland and the primevil demon in 5-2 (yay, I'm 3 for 4 on colorless demon souls so far!). After beating the 5-2 boss (another fairly easy one) to get the world to pure white, I did not get the quest from Selen... Hmmm... But then I remembered when I was through there a while back she said something about her brother so I guess I got it then, even when the world was not pure white (so more inaccuracies with the guide, oh well...). I then thought I had to find him andf fight him and then go back to her, but I ended up completing 5-3 which was a much shorter/smaller stage than I had thought. Someone here complained mightily about the plague swamp - and while it is a minor nuisance, if you take care to take out, or at least injure all the nasties in there first it isn't too bad (and of course you don't even have to go in there to do the boss stuff). So even though I had to fight Garl melee-style which I haven't done too much in the game, he wasn't all that hard. The spear came in really handy and for the first time I found a use for the winged +10 over the moon winged +5, since he is highly resistant to magic (winged + 10 did about twice the damage). He also can't be sniped, so you have to go in hand-to-hand. That was a nice change of pace in any case.

So then I thought I could go back to Selen, but no, I still needed to go back in there again and fight his black phantom. I thought he was a black phantom the first time because he kind of glows red anyway from his armor. Oh well, went back in again and beat him again and finally got the reward from Selen. Now, I've beaten 4 of the 5 black phanton NPCs and still no friend's ring from the Monumental. So I don't know how you did it Chibi, but it seems I will have to take down Satsuki to get that ring. I might as well anyway since 4-2 and 4-3 are all I have left before the end boss (and old King Doran I guess).

Snake2715

11-06-2009, 11:34 AM

io,

what level are you again?

I can take Satsuki for you I am level 82 now I think.

i should be able to do it in just a few tries.

ChibiJosh

11-06-2009, 12:17 PM

So I don't know how you did it Chibi, but it seems I will have to take down Satsuki to get that ring.

You know, I got the ring during my first playthrough and I didn't kill a single named BP during that game.

I think I still have pure white CT. When equipping one of those weapons that will tell me which number am I looking at. The first column or the second?

Snake2715

11-06-2009, 12:25 PM

what is the number in the () around the damage for an item? I cant forget... is that WT ?

Saint Noir

11-06-2009, 01:59 PM

If you have a CT based weapon like North Regalia, the second number will be a plus whatever in blue (for positive, red if negative I think). If you are plus 135 it is full white CT. Negative 135 is pure dark. 0 is neutral. All sorts of in between for the other numbers (+65 is on the positive side for example). I think it is 135... it is the same number as the attack power on the left.

11-06-2009, 03:38 PM

io,

what level are you again?

I can take Satsuki for you I am level 82 now I think.

i should be able to do it in just a few tries.

Wow, I think I'm right at 82 now, actually!

I may try to take him on again myself. Besides gaining about 15-20 levels since I last faced him, I have much better equipment now (purple flame shield +9, moon winged spear +5). Hopefully that moon winged spear does more than the 25 damage my winged +6 was doing last time.

I'll let you know how it goes tonight I guess.

Snake2715

11-06-2009, 04:34 PM

Wow, I think I'm right at 82 now, actually!

I may try to take him on again myself. Besides gaining about 15-20 levels since I last faced him, I have much better equipment now (purple flame shield +9, moon winged spear +5). Hopefully that moon winged spear does more than the 25 damage my winged +6 was doing last time.

I'll let you know how it goes tonight I guess.

The main thing that may help you is get that skeleton out of there first by range (bow, as magic will pull satsuki in, in my experience).

Then just really pay attention to his moves. If you can dodge or block him without taking a huge hit to your endurance, it should be fairly simple in concept, then its just timing.

Dont think you almost have him and start taking chances. Just strike when you know you'll hit and wait otherwise. The knockdown from the larger weapons gives you a much needed break, even the meatcleaver can knock him down.

Saint was this directed to my question or Chibijosh's?

If you have a CT based weapon like North Regalia, the second number will be a plus whatever in blue (for positive, red if negative I think). If you are plus 135 it is full white CT. Negative 135 is pure dark. 0 is neutral. All sorts of in between for the other numbers (+65 is on the positive side for example). I think it is 135... it is the same number as the attack power on the left.

i am guessing CT is character tendancy, correct? I haven't looked into that much to be honest. The status screen that shows the entire set of info on you has two numbers for damage. I think they are all the same color (orangish right?),and there is one in the () , again if you were answering me.

The colored numbers in the item equip screen show the stat bonuses based on that weapon, etc.

Maybe I will look a bit more in the book. I vaguely remember reading that... I was thinking it may be unarmed damage or something..

ChibiJosh

11-06-2009, 05:09 PM

It was an answer to my question. I don't particularly understand what you're asking.

Snake2715

11-06-2009, 05:32 PM

It was an answer to my question. I don't particularly understand what you're asking.

Yeah I am at work, not in front of the game. I will probably answer the question myself. If i cant I will revise or repost.

11-06-2009, 06:24 PM

The main thing that may help you is get that skeleton out of there first by range (bow, as magic will pull satsuki in, in my experience).

Then just really pay attention to his moves. If you can dodge or block him without taking a huge hit to your endurance, it should be fairly simple in concept, then its just timing.

Dont think you almost have him and start taking chances. Just strike when you know you'll hit and wait otherwise. The knockdown from the larger weapons gives you a much needed break, even the meatcleaver can knock him down.

I had little problem just dealing with the skeleton when he joined in. And besides, when I played earlier Satsuki came after me immediately so I wouldn't have time to snipe the skeleton. However, I think I was wearing the thief's ring and not the graverobber ring so maybe he won't see me immediately with that on.

Also, I could get Satsuki down to a sliver of health nearly every time but the problem is that he heals SO DAMN quickly that you do, in fact, need to start taking chances when his health is low. You can't le thim heal. I was always in the process of spearing him when he healed and then when I tried to stay closer and take more chances he would invariably kill me.

But like I said, I've increased my weapon damage (both increased strength and dexterity plus better equipment), my defense (through levelling quite a bit), and even my stamina (I just put a few levels into Endurance last night) since then. So I'm hoping I can do much more damage to him per hit so I don't have 10-20 more hits of just 25 points each to make on him when he starts to get to healing range.

I'm really hoping he is susceptible to magic damage so I can get some serious power out of my moon winged spear +5. If not, I'll try the regular winged +10.

And maybe if the graverobber ring lets me sit at the beginning of the level and not get attacked immediately I'll also pile on the clever rat's ring (using Satsuki's coveted Makoto sword to get my health down to 30% ;)).

jrsmaster411

11-06-2009, 06:55 PM

I'm Finally done with Demon's Souls! Got my Platinum Trophy and finally for the first time since the game launched, took it out of my ps3. I need a break from this game. 114hours 36 minutes, Soul Level 216. Maybe in a couple months I'll start a new character and see how much my skills have diminished.

11-06-2009, 07:35 PM

^^^ Yeah, I think once I hit that point I will be completely done with the game. As much as I love it I'm already starting to get a bit burnt out on it and I'm still on the first playthrough and about 70 hours in.

But by the time any sort of sequel comes out (which is hopeful given the success of the game) I will be more than ready to get back into it again!

ChibiJosh

11-06-2009, 07:44 PM

I'll have the platinum once I beat 2-1, 2-3, 3-3, and 5-3 of my next playthrough which will begin once I beat 1-4. I think I'll have the platinum in around 100 hours. I'm around 80 right now.

rgd2blck

11-06-2009, 07:47 PM

This is by far my favorite game I have played this console generation. However, I have to take a break from it after every level because of how much effort it takes me to clear a level. I anticipate being able to play more often on my second run through.

Saint Noir

11-06-2009, 08:20 PM

I found the second run through to be the one I needed more time with... much tougher for me.

11-06-2009, 09:19 PM

I found the second run through to be the one I needed more time with... much tougher for me.

I hope that's not the case with me because I'll be at 80 hours or more with the first run :lol:.
I was hoping I could breeze through the next few playthroughs since I won't be concentrating so much on the WT events. I'd like to "borrow" someone's foe's ring at some point so I don't have to mess with the black CT.

happy

11-06-2009, 09:47 PM

Beat the man-eaters and old monk (offline). Now I just have 4-2/3, 5-2/3 and the False King - that thing is tough (at least the one time I tried it)

gunm

11-06-2009, 10:12 PM

I'm going to hit 80 hrs before I finish the first run through too. I dunno if I'll ever get around to NG+, etc..

salty tbone

11-06-2009, 10:38 PM

I found the second run through to be the one I needed more time with... much tougher for me.

That's been my experience as well, although now that I know what I'm doing ... no longer had to wade all over the swamp in 5-2 before I found where the fog was, for example.

crystalklear64

11-06-2009, 10:53 PM

Well, NG+ absolutely sucks. I had read that the enemies become smarter and use better tactics such as parrying, but I haven't seen any of that in action at all. Instead, we get inflated lifebars and damage. Suddenly, the game becomes extremely tedious without becoming any more challenging. Drops are no better, items are the same.

Looks like I'll be making new characters instead of continuing on past NG+, at that point the game really does start to feel like a grind.

Its a shame that once you learn the enemies patterns and the traps of the worlds the entire thing becomes too easy, but longer lifebars are not the way to fix that.

Saint Noir

11-06-2009, 11:17 PM

ChibiJosh

11-06-2009, 11:39 PM

As for the weapon and ring trophies, you only need to hold every item once and they don't have to be at the same time. AkariK helped me with both trophies. I was given every weapon I didn't have except Demonbrand to hold. I didn't get trophy so I gave them back. Once I beat Old King Doran and got the Demonbrand the trophy was unlock even though I didn't actually have like 6 of the weapons. Samething with the rings, I found someone random to let me hold a foe's ring briefly and when I got the other couple rings I needed, the trophy unlocked.

Saint Noir

11-06-2009, 11:45 PM

Nice. I was hoping this was exactly how that worked.

I need someone to let me hold onto a foe ring. And a blueblood and insanity catalyst would be nice as well... :lol: Anyone.... Anyone... Bueller... Bueller...

DrFoo

11-07-2009, 12:24 AM

First my computer breaks, then I order a PS3 controller and it arrives broken, and now my PS3 breaks all within a week. Dear god. When will this madness end?

I'm guessing I'll lose my character after I send it to Sony for repairs and my drive gets reformatted? This is BS I don't want to have to play my 360 :-o ...or pay $150 and lose my character. Killing my PC and PS3 in the same week is like the perfect storm of killing my entertainment.

Edit: At least I got my Demon's Souls disc out before it stopped turning on for more than a few seconds.

crystalklear64

11-07-2009, 12:36 AM

Timewise, NG+ has been a lot quicker. But I just feel I need breaks after having to try a lot harder on stages. The enemies do start to use some of their advanced tactics more the higher you go with NG++s, but not so much in just NG+.

The good news is that the difference between your first game and your first NG+ is by far the biggest in terms of stronger enemies. It becomes a lot less noticeable on later plays.
I'm used to playing builds that get killed in one hit by many things on even the first playthrough, so the higher damage isn't an issue at all, I'm used to having to dodge and block everything or I die already. The issue is that the amount of life enemies have and damage I do are so ridiculously different that it takes much longer to kill things. It doesn't make it any harder, just more time consuming.

I don't see how NG+ could be quicker for you. I could see how that would be true if you've only used one character and compared to when you were new to the game learning your first runthrough and your now more experienced self with your NG+ run now, but make a new character and blaze through the first run with all your current knowledge and I bet you could do it faster than your NG++++++ whatever run.

Saint Noir

11-07-2009, 12:45 AM

I explored everything in my first play... I grinded for souls and ores... on top of being wary of everything. This time I skipped lots of stuff... it has been quicker even with doing all the black WT stuff. You are right about some enemies having a ludicrous amount of HP. And yeah, I could run through faster on a new game than I initially did.

EDIT - Small tidbit from an interview making the rounds...

Regarding the possibility of a sequel, Miyazaki said he couldn't give a direct answer, but noted that the team learned a great deal on Demon's Souls and there were several things that didn't make it into the game. Given the opportunity, Miyazaki said he would "welcome the chance to create an even better game in the same style."

IRHari

11-07-2009, 01:04 AM

Ok, for those people who have played NG+ and NG++ and so forth, I have a question.

I'm almost done NG+, and I'm Slvl 205 or so. Now I've heard that even once you hit Lvl 712 (max lvl), enemies will still do a ton of damage. Basically it sounds like each NG+ or NG++ you start up, the game looks at your Slvl and matches enemies to that level.

Anyone have this experience? If I grind, will it not matter in the end cause enemies level up with you each time you start a NG+? Please let me know, as I don't want to waste time grinding for no reason.

ChibiJosh

11-07-2009, 01:05 AM

Finished False King. Now, I'm going to kill most everyone in the Nexus and then beat it.

I would love a sequel (in a couple years), but I think I'd really like if they did DLC for the 6th Archstone, though I doubt that will ever happen.

Saint Noir

11-07-2009, 01:08 AM

Anyone have this experience? If I grind, will it not matter in the end cause enemies level up with you each time you start a NG+? Please let me know, as I don't want to waste time grinding for no reason.

According to the guide the game has preset levels of increment, it's not based directly on your character.

ChibiJosh

11-07-2009, 01:48 AM

I beat it and then beat 1-1. I was able to get up 5 levels from all the souls I got in 1-4 and the end game! I had like 700K. It now takes me like 120K souls for one level. I can't imagine leveling up more than 3 or 4 times in all of NG++

mowmow

11-07-2009, 03:09 AM

i have a maybe a stupid question. I am gonna do the whole turn black to white tendency on stage 2. I have already killed flamelurker, so i'm wondering if it it would still work if i killed the dragon god instead. Because in the guide it says you have to kill a major demon

ChibiJosh

11-07-2009, 04:26 AM

11-07-2009, 09:15 AM

Hey, Chibi, I gained lots of levels the last few days and I'm up to 93 now. Where are you at now? I'd like to "borrow" a foe's ring if you have it - I'll have to check but it may very well the last ring I need. I did just get the friend's ring. It did require that I beat all 5 black phantom NPC's. Satsuki was much easier than I anticipated with my moon winged spear +5 and clever rats ring. He did heal once but since I was doing about 130 damage with each hit this time (as opposed to 25 before) it didn't take much to get him down again.

Then I went through 4-2, finally, and defeated the Old Hero. 4-2 is pretty tough (the level, anyway - the boss was easy) if you don't know what's coming but once I went through it a few times I have it down pat. I can see why Jodou and others were talking about farming there. With the ring of avarice and a couple runs though it (with the WT near white no less) I ended up with about 80K after beating the boss - which is more than I've ever had at once. Then I took out Old King Doran for good measure (which, by the way, makes a big hit on your WT - it went from pure white to neutral after I did that. Hopefully there's no need to kill Miralda - is her armor any good?). So all I have left is 4-3 and then 1-4 and the end.

One thing that makes the upgrading trophies very hard that I didn't consider until tonight is that you need to get all the base weapons to +6, usually, before you can use the different stones to upgrade from there. I have a lot of the special stones completed (as in enough to do the full upgrade when I can get something to +6), but my problem is going to be in having enough sharpstones. Yeah, you can buy the shards from the vendor in 2-1, but the chunks are going to be hard to come by. I probably screwed up in that I upgraded a Unichagata (or whatever that is called) to +6 so I could make a crescent one which looked like one of the better weapons you could make. However, I could have saved all the sharpstones I used in getting it to +6 by simply upgrading the crescent falchion + 1 that I had in my inverntory. Oh well... I wanted to make the large sword of searching but that is a tough one with it requiring a base +8 weapon. Are there any other shortcut weapons for the other upgrades so I don't have to waste more sharpstones?

And the bladestones are a strange one - I have over 100 shards (Thomas won't store any more for me and I'm stuck carrying 8 :lol:), yet very few beyond that and of course no pure on that one. Who was it here who had the bladestone upgraded weapon? I'd like to "borrow" that, too, if possible.

IRHari

11-07-2009, 11:44 AM

gunm

11-07-2009, 02:49 PM

sharpstones have been very common drops for me on 1-2. I have a ton of those shards. The large ones are harder to come by, but I get the small ones more than any other so far.

I've been doing most of 4-1 over and over just to practice my melee. I should just finish the level already, but for some weird reason I can't bring myself to do it.

ChibiJosh

11-07-2009, 02:58 PM

io: I'm 138-ish. I don't have a Foe's Ring, but I do have a fully upgraded bladestone weapon.

ChernobylCow

11-07-2009, 03:38 PM

Anyone used a crossbow? I was watching a video and it seemed pretty cool to hold one in your left hand and a sword in your right.

ChernobylCow

11-07-2009, 03:45 PM

double-post, sigh.

Saint Noir

11-07-2009, 06:08 PM

My fault ChibiJosh. Had a connection die and on the boss I got messed up due to the lock on... he was right above my head and my camera went all crazy... hope you win. If not, let me know!

ChibiJosh

11-07-2009, 06:12 PM

I won. But it was super-intense! I had to use second chance like 7 times. I went through like 40 spices. I kept using firestorm (which in my last game managed to kill them both one hit with), but he kept hitting me right after using it so he'd only get hit once and then it would get canceled out.

Edit: Platinum!

11-07-2009, 07:03 PM

If you can't store any more shards with Stockpile Tom, just drop em. Shards are pretty easy to come by, and you don't need more than 99 to get a weapon to max level. I'd keep some chunks, but its harder to get 99 chunks of anything.

io, it's actually pretty easy to get a weapon to +6. You only need shards and large pieces of sharpstone or hardstone, and the merchant in 2-1 sells those to you at a pretty cheap price. No grinding needed there, except maybe for the souls to buy them.

The 2-1 merchant does not sell the large shards of sharpstone, so I need to grind, apparently. Unless another merchant sells them?

sharpstones have been very common drops for me on 1-2. I have a ton of those shards. The large ones are harder to come by, but I get the small ones more than any other so far.
Um, yeah, I had tons of them. But once you upgrade a winged spear to +6 to turn into a moon winged spear, then another to +10 for the sharpstone trophy, then an Unchigatana to +6 to turn into a crescent weapon, you tend to run out :lol:. And considering that I still have several upgrades left to do with sharpstones I'm going to need 100's more of them. For example, the large sword of searching requires a +8 base weapon and that in itself will use a ton more. Sure, you can buy the little shards for 500 each, but it's the large ones that will be a pain. I'm just wondering how other people platinumed this game because it seems no one ever talks about the pain of doing all the base upgrades.

I won. But it was super-intense! I had to use second chance like 7 times. I went through like 40 spices. I kept using firestorm (which in my last game managed to kill them both one hit with), but he kept hitting me right after using it so he'd only get hit once and then it would get canceled out.

Edit: Platinum!

So I have the choice between this second chance and the large sword of searching (using the Hero DS). How does this second chance thing work? Do you just cast it and it is in effect the whole time, or does it wear off? Where do you revive?

Saint Noir

11-07-2009, 07:14 PM

The 2-2 merchant sells them (large splinters) relatively cheap.

ChibiJosh

11-07-2009, 07:45 PM

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So I have the choice between this second chance and the large sword of searching (using the Hero DS). How does this second chance thing work? Do you just cast it and it is in effect the whole time, or does it wear off? Where do you revive?

Second chance doesn't wear off, it lasts until you die. You don't really revive exactly. When you're HP runs out, it just heals you to 50% of your HP. So, the action doesn't stop.

Saint Noir

11-07-2009, 08:02 PM

Second chance doesn't wear off, it lasts until you die. You don't really revive exactly. When you're HP runs out, it just heals you to 50% of your HP. So, the action doesn't stop.

Nice. I'll have to start using this.

I just beat Maneater and this time I went melee. I used North Regalia and chopped off his snake tale after just a few shots to it... didn't know you can do this. Just happened to be the first few shots I took at it were targeted there. This also limits its attacks some as well.

I also got my pure moonlight stone just outside the monk's room. So glad when I saw it drop!

11-07-2009, 08:04 PM

Second chance doesn't wear off, it lasts until you die. You don't really revive exactly. When you're HP runs out, it just heals you to 50% of your HP. So, the action doesn't stop.

Interesting - it seems I might want to get that for NG+ instead of the large sword of searching, then, if NG+ is as much harder as people are saying.

Saint Noir - the 2-2 merchant? Oh yeah, the guy over in the area above the bugbears, right? I only ever went there once. Guess I'll make a little visit. I may try the bugbears again now that I have the moon winged spear +5. They ought to be much easier. And maybe I can bring the brushwood armor and go into the lava.

Saint Noir

11-07-2009, 08:11 PM

Yeah. That guy. Pain as he is right were that bunch of flying bearbugs try to ambush you.

Large sword is very useful for farming and for getting good stuff out of geckos. So, you would want that too... I use it fairly often. You can get to Old Hero pretty quick if you need to in a NG+. So, either way you go, you will be fine.

KrebStar

11-07-2009, 10:32 PM

Trying to get a pure bladestone is killing my soul.

I went from level 98-200 trying to farm one of these stupid things :cry:

Snake2715

11-07-2009, 10:33 PM

Second chance doesn't wear off, it lasts until you die. You don't really revive exactly. When you're HP runs out, it just heals you to 50% of your HP. So, the action doesn't stop.

Is any excess damage negated then? Or is it possible to get hit so hard it drains your 50% refill, so to say?

Also where is the info on all the trophies or what we need to do, to platinum?

Jodou

11-07-2009, 11:05 PM

Second chance doesn't wear off, it lasts until you die. You don't really revive exactly. When you're HP runs out, it just heals you to 50% of your HP. So, the action doesn't stop.
Problem is, you can't use warding while it's active. To clarify, your HP is just extended to 150% meaning things can still one-shot you. I stopped using second chance altogether, because warding is far superior.

ChibiJosh

11-08-2009, 01:10 AM

Problem is, you can't use warding while it's active. To clarify, your HP is just extended to 150% meaning things can still one-shot you. I stopped using second chance altogether, because warding is far superior.
You can't still get one shotted. If you get hit for more than your HP, you still get 50% back. That's why people suggest you use it when trying to get past the dragon on 1-4. At least that's what it seemed from my experiences with it, everytime I got killed I got roughly half of my HP back.

Razzuel

11-08-2009, 01:34 AM

I am level 44 now, and I have 22 hours in the game. I have now completed 5-1, 2-2, and 2-3. Also, I was able to get the pure greystone from Scirvir, and I got the Dragon Bone Crusher from 2-3.

This game is so good!

Jodou

11-08-2009, 11:13 AM

You can't still get one shotted. If you get hit for more than your HP, you still get 50% back. That's why people suggest you use it when trying to get past the dragon on 1-4. At least that's what it seemed from my experiences with it, everytime I got killed I got roughly half of my HP back.
Hey, you don't have to take my word for it:
Functions as if your HP were increased by 50%. Revives caster once HP reaches 0, immediately adding 50% of total HP back, but any damage in excess of what killed the caster immediately applies to refunded HP.Straight off the wiki (http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/miracle-one-time-revival) and I've been one-shot with it on, so believe what you want.

IRHari

11-08-2009, 11:28 AM

I've been one-shotted by the black phantom Octopus men in 3-3, even WITH second chance, so yeah, you can still get one-shotted.

Jodou, would you be up for helping me beat 5-2 and 5-3 at some point? All the trophies I've got left are the spell/miracle ones, so I've got about 2 more playthroughs after this lol.

Saint Noir

11-08-2009, 12:50 PM

Jodou, would you be up for helping me beat 5-2 and 5-3 at some point? All the trophies I've got left are the spell/miracle ones, so I've got about 2 more playthroughs after this lol.

If three's company too, I'd be happy to roll through there with you as well.

If you yourself have any of the weapons I need to hold, I'd appreciate it. :D

ChibiJosh

11-08-2009, 12:55 PM

I've been one-shotted by the black phantom Octopus men in 3-3, even WITH second chance, so yeah, you can still get one-shotted.

That was one of the things I got hit by and lived with second chance (while wearing ring of magic sharpness and monk's head wrapping which both lower magic defense).

Speaking of monk's head wrapping, I have like 6 of them.

Saint Noir

11-08-2009, 01:14 PM

Speaking of monk's head wrapping, I have like 6 of them.

Those things are way too big... a few times when I was running ahead of you, all I could see was monk head wrapping taking up my WHOLE screen. :lol:

IRHari

11-08-2009, 01:23 PM

Saint Noir, I'm like, Slvl 210. I think Jodou is around 220. Hopefully you're around there ;)

BTW Jodou, I think I hit (or you hit) Biorr when we fought Penetrator...cause I ran into him fighting the blue dragon and he said fuck it and started coming after me. I had to kill him to get past the dragon w/o dying and now my CT isn't pure white anymore lol. Now I have to kill 2 black phantom NPC's to get it back...lol. OH well.

Saint Noir

11-08-2009, 01:28 PM

Saint Noir, I'm like, Slvl 210. I think Jodou is around 220. Hopefully you're around there ;)

My fault. For some reason my brain processed it as Chibi. No, it will be a long time before I am up to that point! :lol:

ChibiJosh

11-08-2009, 02:18 PM

Those things are way too big... a few times when I was running ahead of you, all I could see was monk head wrapping taking up my WHOLE screen. :lol:

Yeah, I know. Sometimes I had a hard time seeing where I was going or enemies in front of me. After we got the boss area open in 3-2 and I was running back to the first tower, I didn't see that first facebug and I nearly shat my pants when it jumped on top of me.

Jodou

11-08-2009, 05:50 PM

Jodou, would you be up for helping me beat 5-2 and 5-3 at some point? All the trophies I've got left are the spell/miracle ones, so I've got about 2 more playthroughs after this lol.
Lol, why didn't you msg me on PSN? I was playing SWTFU all day and just finished getting all the trophies. We can breeze through them whenever you want.

EDIT: I'll be on later tonight; playing Borderlands with some friends.

IRHari

11-08-2009, 06:58 PM

happy

11-08-2009, 11:38 PM

Jodou

11-09-2009, 12:00 AM

ah speaking of Borderlands bro, are you playing it on PS3? I bought it on release day on PS3 but it had so many bugs I got a refund for it. I'm thinking of buying it again now that most of the issues I ran into appear to be patched.

Can you hook me up with some stuff? lol, I'm playing as Lilith.
I told you, I got it for PC lol.

BTW guys, I found out about a dupe bug weeks ago but didn't really think much of it until tonight. Couple weeks ago, I was in the pantheon and some guy had SL 712 with 25 deaths. He (and a few others) had popped up practically overnight, so I knew they had found a glitch. Turns out I was right and he even posted it on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91YT4VVzUkQ

Now, the dupe part I knew about but making stacks of 99 Legendary Hero's Souls sounded mighty tedious. However, the method to all this is that your character isn't saving, so what you can do (and this is fucking fast as hell) is SOULSUCK them dry. Once they hit SL 1, they DC and do the same to you. Then you both go and level up as far as you can (so that the next round is even faster), then rinse/repeat. You can take a new character from level one to 712 in a day or two doing this.

I guess it's kinda pointless to do unless you just want a max level character, but your name is in lights up in the pantheon. I was actually #2 in the US at one point, but since I quit playing I have fallen off. I wouldn't mind doing this with someone if they really wanted to, just for the fun of exploiting. ;)

Saint Noir

11-09-2009, 12:02 AM

Best to grab the stuff when you have not a lot of souls to lose.

Pecan

11-09-2009, 12:41 AM

Just finished my first play through tonight as a lvl 79 barbarian.

ChibiJosh

11-09-2009, 12:42 AM

A warning for anyone who has not finished one yet, even though you keep all your items all of your boss demon souls are taken away :cry:

I wasn't thinking about losing them and lost every single boss soul.

... No they aren't. I still have 3 of some boss demon souls.

SynGamer

11-09-2009, 12:43 AM

salty tbone

11-09-2009, 01:28 AM

... No they aren't. I still have 3 of some boss demon souls.

I can confirm this. Not sure what happened to yours, pecan, but starting a NG+ shouldn't wipe your demon souls.

gunm

11-09-2009, 01:35 AM

Just finished my first play through tonight as a lvl 79 barbarian.

A warning for anyone who has not finished one yet, even though you keep all your items all of your boss demon souls are taken away :cry:

I wasn't thinking about losing them and lost every single boss soul.

I believe you have to finish 1-1 again before the boss souls will become available since the Maiden will not level you further until you complete it.

The only thing you shouldn't have after completing 1-1 in NG+, etc. is the keys from the first playthrough...

Pecan

11-09-2009, 02:27 AM

I believe you have to finish 1-1 again before the boss souls will become available since the Maiden will not level you further until you complete it.

The only thing you shouldn't have after completing 1-1 in NG+, etc. is the keys from the first playthrough...

I've killed him and gained stats in NG + already, but still a no go.

Sucks too, because I only saved them to clear some trophies later :-#

Possible spoiler if you haven't finished-I even lost the maiden's soul you don't get till completing the game

ChibiJosh

11-09-2009, 02:30 AM

Pecan

11-09-2009, 02:37 AM

You still have the soul from beating the last boss, right? (maiden or beast)
Did you have the souls on you or did you give them to Thomas? I usually gave them all to Thomas if I wasn't going to use them right away. But, I currently have 2 souls from the 1-4 boss, 3 souls from the 4-2 mini-boss, etc. And, in my second playthrough, I used the armor spider soul for two things (lava bow and ignite), so I started the playthrough with it from the first playthrough.

I always carried them on me for some reason. It just seems like it was a slight bug because after checking Thomas and my inventory a few times to make sure I wasn't somehow overlooking almost 15 boss souls I reset my console and they reappeared. :D

DrFoo

11-09-2009, 03:47 AM

Can you even back up your characters in this game? I know the characters saves are copy protected but would doing a full hard drive back up and restore work?

Damn I'm not looking forward to leveling up again. At least I can get a scraping spear really quickly and get my revenge on red phantoms.

11-09-2009, 07:11 AM

Just beat 5-2 and 5-3 (those were some easy bosses)

What's the deal with the plague pit in the 5-3 boss fight, I want to get the items in there but the plague kills me really fast. Should I just jump onto the item grab it die and leave the souls?

If you have Istarelle (special weapon from 5-1) you can wield that and not get hit too quickly with the plague. Just use the plague curing herb and healing herbs and you should be fine. I walked all through it with little trouble. I did make sure to take out all the plague babies or whatever those hideous things are with arrows first. They tend to gang up on you and hit you from behind if you go there without taking them out. And besides, you can get to most of the items by falling down the part where you first come in. I think only one or two are actually in the swamp.

Just finished my first play through tonight as a lvl 79 barbarian.

I just finished it tonight myself. I was planning on farming and upgrading more weapons and stuff first but my son wanted to see the end so I went for it. I was level 96 though ;). Hopefully I won't have too much trouble with the NG+ given that I kind of went overboard on the levels there.

If anyone is near my level and has the foe's ring let me know. Chibi, I'm still trying to catch up to you to borrow the bladetstone weapon. I think that's the only one I didn't get a pure stone for. Hell, I didn't even get a chunk! I did get like 48 shards though for some reason.

As for the final boss: Wow, what a pathetic end boss. And I don't mean that as a slight on the game. It made sense in the context of the story. I just meant he was really pathetic, in a sad way.

So I have a couple of questions about NG+. I don't want to get invaded while on 1-1 in the NG+ as I'm carrying 100,000+ souls from the endgame and don't want to mess with that. Two issues: can I just kill myself in the Nexus and go back and claim souls there? For whatever reason I'm worried that won't work as everyone warns you to play offline for the first level in NG+ since you are in body form. My other question - how the hell do you choose not to play online? I see nothing in the options or setting to turn it off. Can you just log off PSN bfore starting the game? Sure, I could just turn off my wireless router, but that's sort of a severe method - was hoping there was an easier way.

SynGamer

11-09-2009, 11:07 AM

I assume you simply sign out of PSN before starting the game up.

Count

11-09-2009, 12:12 PM

Any site where I can find tricks to get all the upgrade trophies quick?

Jodou

11-09-2009, 12:44 PM

Any site where I can find tricks to get all the upgrade trophies quick?
I posted the dupe bug yesterday, but I guess nobody noticed. You can dupe the stones you need with another player to get the upgraded weapons. That or just find someone your level that has the weapons you need for the trophy. You only need to hold each item in your inventory once, so for all unique weapons/rings/etc you can get them from different people.

ChibiJosh

11-09-2009, 01:01 PM

If anyone is near my level and has the foe's ring let me know. Chibi, I'm still trying to catch up to you to borrow the bladetstone weapon. I think that's the only one I didn't get a pure stone for. Hell, I didn't even get a chunk! I did get like 48 shards though for some reason.

You should be able to catch up no problem now. Since I got the platinum, I'm done with the game (for a long time, at least), but I'll hop to help you with some trophies.

luan87us

11-09-2009, 03:15 PM

I finished this a few days ago as lvl 86 too.

I can't express how much I hate that final boss. He's quick, strong, most of his attacks are unblock-able. I had to resort to cheap method of Poison Cloud to finally kill him >.>

Overall this game was pretty fun, challenging, though sometime it can get you pretty frustrated. It is great though if you have some friend you can always co-op with, it just make the boss fights easier.

11-09-2009, 03:56 PM

^^ And just to be clear, when I mentioned the final boss in my spoiler I meant the one after the one you are talking about ;). I didn't want to mess with 1-4's soulsucker attack so I just did the poison cloud thing myself too.

gunm

11-09-2009, 05:06 PM

I assume you simply sign out of PSN before starting the game up.

Yes. And when the game prompts you to login, just cancel through and it will start the game in offline mode.

11-09-2009, 06:03 PM

Yeah, I guess that makes sense. My cable was out one night and that's pretty much what it did by default. I've just never chosen to sign out of PSN voluntarily. I wasn't even sure you could do that :lol:.

Has anyone else had some strange glitches online where all of a sudden you feel really lonely in the game and then you realize all the white phantoms, bloodstains, and messages are gone? This has happened to me 2 or 3 times without it ever losing my PSN or Demon's Souls server connection. I'm still "online" according to the game - can put down blue stones and all that. But all the signs of online activity are gone. If I quit and restart it all comes back though. Of course I've also had the connection lost where it makes you quit to the title screen (highly annoying though thankfully it has only happened like 4 or 5 times in my 80+ hours of gameplay with at least 75 of that online).

I'm looking forward to my NG+ 1-1 runthrough tonight. I really wanted to do it last night but I had to wait till today because I promised my son I'd let him see it. He always asks me what each level boss is and was disappointed he couldn't see Phalanx (as you can't help on that one). Speaking of helping, I've had little luck getting in as a blue phantom recently. Either no one ever summons me (and I've tried 4-2, 4-3, 5-2, 5-3, etc) or they try to and it says "failed to join" or something like that. That message is really annoying because then you have to replace the blue stone each time. Once that happened about 5 times and then I finally got in. The bastard who summoned me then made me run all the way back to the bridge you have to knock down in 5-2 so he could do that (clearly not needing my help at all to do so), then all the way back to the boss entrance where I helped him beat the Dirty Colossus. Then he gave me a "D" rating. Wanker. I was thinking he knew too much about what to do so that must have been his NG+ even though I was only around level 70-80 or so then.

IRHari

11-09-2009, 06:28 PM

Jodou, sounds like me and you are close in levels...wanna do it ? lol ;)

ChibiJosh

11-09-2009, 06:47 PM

I had someone helping me on 1-1 on my NG++. The guy put his stone down right in front of the boss door. I'm not sure how it happened.

11-09-2009, 06:49 PM

I had someone helping me on 1-1 on my NG++. The guy put his stone down right in front of the boss door. I'm not sure how it happened.

Hmmm - Well, I suppose if you can get invaded in 1-1 on NG+ then you ought to be able to help there as well.

Jodou

11-09-2009, 07:06 PM

Jodou, sounds like me and you are close in levels...wanna do it ? lol ;)
I'm waiting on you!

Jodou

11-09-2009, 07:08 PM

Has anyone else had some strange glitches online where all of a sudden you feel really lonely in the game and then you realize all the white phantoms, bloodstains, and messages are gone? This has happened to me 2 or 3 times without it ever losing my PSN or Demon's Souls server connection. I'm still "online" according to the game - can put down blue stones and all that. But all the signs of online activity are gone. If I quit and restart it all comes back though. Of course I've also had the connection lost where it makes you quit to the title screen (highly annoying though thankfully it has only happened like 4 or 5 times in my 80+ hours of gameplay with at least 75 of that online).
Yes, I talked about this last month and it used to happen after maybe an hour of playing. I think that's what the server maintenance was all about, because I noticed it not happening as often afterward.

IRHari

11-09-2009, 08:41 PM

Jodou and I ran into a strange glitch...we managed to join up in one game where I summoned him as a blue phantom. Then, we tried to do it again and we kept getting error messages.

Strange part is he is able to see messages/bloodstains, and he can still invade people via black stone. No one else tried to summon him though, so maybe its just a glitch b/w me and him. We're gonna wait a while and try again.

Has anyone else had experience with this? What did you do to remedy it, or did you just wait it out?

11-09-2009, 08:56 PM

Not with a specific person like that but more often than not when I'm being summoned there are error messages and I cannot join the person who summoned me. I've been in about 4 coop sessions (as a blue phantom) but have had 15-20 or so error messages where it "failed to connect" (or something to that effect). Not a good ratio by any means... My connection is pretty solid for most other games so I don't think it's on my end.

Saint Noir

11-09-2009, 08:58 PM

I've gotten the error message with Chibi and others before. Just have to keep trying. Server issue?

11-09-2009, 09:03 PM

You should be able to catch up no problem now. Since I got the platinum, I'm done with the game (for a long time, at least), but I'll hop to help you with some trophies.

Yeah, thanks, I'd appreciate it. I've done enough farming already and can't fathom farming for bladestone chunks/pure. You are 136 or so? I ended my game at 96 and have about 2 levels worth of souls in my inventory that I can cash in when I clear 1-1 in NG+. Plus I imagine I'll get a few more from that level (I always have the ring of avarice equipped now). So I think I'll catch up quick - just need to get within 25, right? I'd imagine we can do it later this week.

What other upgraded weapons do you have so I don't feel the need to mess around with those. I've already done sharpstone, hardstone, moonstone, darkmoonstone, and clearstone. Besides bladestone the ones I'm just a bit short on are marrow and faint. Suckerstone and mercury I'm so close I might as well do them myself. Also, I don't have a lot of the special upgrade weapons quite yet: just dozer axe and the needle of eternal agony. If you have any of the ones that are from the four-use demons that would be greatly appreciated (would save me a 4th playthrough).

Jodou, the duping trick wouldn't even work for me on the bladestones because I don't even have 1 chunk or pure to dupe - besides, it seems much easier just to find someone to trade/borrow items with than someone who will go through all that trouble. And now that the game is essentially broken with respect to the soul collection/leveling (the pantheon/leaderboard type stuff) I see no point in getting levels for the sake of getting levels ;).

When you guys meet up, you must pick an obscure place to drop the blue stone. Where do you usually do it?

Jodou

11-09-2009, 09:13 PM

I've gotten the error message with Chibi and others before. Just have to keep trying. Server issue?
Well that's a relief that it's not just us. Sounds like the server is just failing us right now, so we're gonna try again later.
Jodou, the duping trick wouldn't even work for me on the bladestones because I don't even have 1 chunk or pure to dupe - besides, it seems much easier just to find someone to trade/borrow items with than someone who will go through all that trouble. And now that the game is essentially broken with respect to the soul collection/leveling (the pantheon/leaderboard type stuff) I see no point in getting levels for the sake of getting levels ;).

When you guys meet up, you must pick an obscure place to drop the blue stone. Where do you usually do it?We're so high level that nobody else is around to bother us. We just use the starting area's of places where a boss isn't dead yet. BTW, before the server started screwing up, I successfully duped 2x Legendary Hero's Souls lol. So it absolutely works and is easy as hell to do. Gonna try soulsucking next!

IRHari

11-09-2009, 09:13 PM

Saint Noir

11-09-2009, 09:14 PM

Also, I don't have a lot of the special upgrade weapons quite yet: just dozer axe and the needle of eternal agony. If you have any of the ones that are from the four-use demons that would be greatly appreciated (would save me a 4th playthrough).

When you guys meet up, you must pick an obscure place to drop the blue stone. Where do you usually do it?

Do you have Blueblood or Insanity Catalyst? I need both of those.

Almost any place behind an archstone is some what obscure. As long as you know the place of the meet up, you should have no issues.

11-09-2009, 09:16 PM

Eh it isn't an obscure place, but at like, level 200, there really aren't many people who are going to summon you. We're both around Level 220.

It's not leveling for the sake of getting levels or the leaderboard, I want to be able to beat the shit out of all the assholes who kicked my ass before. I want to penetrate the Penetrator and fuck up the False King. Only two bosses who I died on. Oh and Flamelurker, fuck him.

:rofl:

Sure, I can see that. I was referring more to Jodou talking about people getting to level 700 and beyond. That just seems pointless.

As for the level 200 thing, yeah, I suppose that's why even at around 100 I have a hard time joining games now (not talking about the errors but the long periods when I don't get summoned at all). I'd imagine the falloff in active players is pretty high once you get over 75 or so.

It still amazes me how many white phantoms I see fighting late stage bosses like the False King with the starter club and small round shield combo. WTF!? I guess for white phantoms you do see all levels of players and not just those near your level, right?

Jodou

11-09-2009, 09:21 PM

Oh and Flamelurker, fuck him.
Lol, I should show you how I kill flamelurker; he hasn't killed me since my first game.

Let's try this bitch again and just keep summoning til it works. Red stone this time. Calisavage22 posted this on the IGN boards as well and he said that you just keep summoning the person back once they drop, so whatever we're having problems with is server related. It would explain why bloodstains and messages are dropping off really fast for me, too.

ChibiJosh

11-09-2009, 09:21 PM

If you have any of the ones that are from the four-use demons that would be greatly appreciated (would save me a 4th playthrough).
No, I just did 3 playthroughs and got those weapons from other people.

Saint Noir

11-09-2009, 09:24 PM

No, I just did 3 playthroughs and got those weapons from other people.

Send those people our way! :lol:

Jodou

11-09-2009, 09:31 PM

Gah, now CAG is having server problems! WTF!

Oh yeah, do you have vent and a mic hari? This typing in PSN is driving me nuts without a keyboard lol. I'm gonna watch Californication right quick and I'll check back.

ChibiJosh

11-09-2009, 09:41 PM

I've always had the most trouble summoning people on 3-2. It seems like most of the time there it would fail. Had minimal problems on every other level.

Snake2715

11-09-2009, 09:55 PM

You think this game is going to drop users after tonight?

Saint Noir

11-09-2009, 09:59 PM

You think this game is going to drop users after tonight?

Think tons of games will... but this one is not the biggest cross over in terms of people, so I don't think it will be TOO bad with Demon's Souls.

Jodou

11-09-2009, 10:03 PM

Think tons of games will... but this one is not the biggest cross over in terms of people, so I don't think it will be TOO bad with Demon's Souls.
Yeah, Uncharted 2 will be super dead after tonight. When it first came out, I never saw more than 13k players on and it averaged around 9k during prime-time. I've stopped playing myself because it's boring now.

11-09-2009, 11:02 PM

You think this game is going to drop users after tonight?

OK, I give up. What is it? I knoew NSMB for Wii comes out next week and that will take me away a bit. I want to play R&C which I got from Amazon upon release and haven't touched because of Demon's Souls. I'm not getting anything this week. It's not some multiplayer FPS is it? If so, yeah, not a lot of crossover I would think.

Do you have Blueblood or Insanity Catalyst? I need both of those.

Almost any place behind an archstone is some what obscure. As long as you know the place of the meet up, you should have no issues.

Sorry, missed this earlier. Nah, not yet - aren't those the 2 that are from four-use demons? Since I'm going for spells first, then miracles, then weapons I won't get those till the 4th playthrough unless I find someone to let me borrow them.

salty tbone

11-09-2009, 11:54 PM

Yeah, thanks, I'd appreciate it. I've done enough farming already and can't fathom farming for bladestone chunks/pure.

Soulsucker and the BP dual katana skeleton on 4-2 is clutch. Plus it's a great way to level up. Sure you could trade for it, but you miss out on the satisfaction of finally getting one after hours of farming. ;)

forgrim

11-10-2009, 12:22 AM

yeah i'm willing to help with the people who have problems grabbing the pure bladestone...just drop me a line here, SL 143

SynGamer

11-10-2009, 12:27 AM

Alright, so Freke is on 5-1 right? I take it he's somewhere after that enemy that is twice my size and can one-shot me?

salty tbone

11-10-2009, 01:39 AM

Alright, so Freke is on 5-1 right? I take it he's somewhere after that enemy that is twice my size and can one-shot me?

3-1. Locked in a cell.

Saint Noir

11-10-2009, 01:40 AM

Alright, so Freke is on 5-1 right? I take it he's somewhere after that enemy that is twice my size and can one-shot me?

Nah, 3-1. Locked in a cell. Key is near the end and you have to backtrack.

EDIT - BEAT by a salty tbone!

SynGamer

11-10-2009, 01:43 AM

Wha...? Someone said 5-1 earlier...damn.

gunm

11-10-2009, 02:27 AM

Nope, Freke is in 3-1 as the others mentioned. I gotta go there 'cause I want to buy the higher spells. I would like to finish 2-1 and maybe a couple of others first, though.

11-10-2009, 08:30 AM

So I started my NG+ tonight. Man, most of what I tried was not too hard, but one in particular was way harder than I thought it would be (5-1). Though I even died once on Phalanx because I was locked on to his center and backed up into a horde of mini-phalanxes that I didn't know were way behind me who proceeded to pierce me from all sides. I had 150,000 souls at that point too :shock:. It was easy enough to get back there though. Then I had no problem with Phalanx if I stopped locking on and just kept them all in front of me. It did seem like he had way more mini-phalaxes and they also healed themselves a few times. I don't remember that from the first time around.

Then I thought I'd slog through 5-1 since my son fell asleep and it is kind of boring to watch that. Even those little depraved ones are nasty now, though. If I get 3 of them on me they knock all my stamina down, stagger me back, and then kill me. I also died a few times by backing off of planks into the abyss :roll:. The big guys of course are even tougher - and just when I had started to get a handle on them in the regular game. Plus some trap hit me near the end that I don't remember from the first game (rocks falling near the last walkway up to the last big guy). And then one time I made it all through there and got killed by the regular ones right before the boss. Oh well... I figured I'd do other stuff first and get a few more levels.

So I went to 3-1 to free Freke (yet again). That, in contrast, I had very little trouble with. This time around I'm keeping most of the cells locked so those annoying things don't rush out every time ;). Though since I did everything short of the black phantom and the boss (since my son would want to see them) I probably don't have to go through there much any more anyway unless I want to deal with Rydell this playthrough. I may skip the black phantom NPC stuff this time though and just concentrate on getting through the levels.

I also tried out 4-1 a bit since I remember that one being pretty hard the first time. I didn't seem to have too much trouble with the skeletons now. So for whatever reason, it seems 5-1 took a much bigger jump in difficulty than the others. Part of that is probably because it is better suited to tank-type characters and mine isn't...

Finally, I cleared out 2-1 all the way to the boss (again, stopping since my son wants to see that as well). No problems there, though a pickaxe miner did one shot me when I went around a corner and wasn't expecting him. Luckily that was really close to the starting elevator so I got back there pretty quickly.

Do you have to give Flamelurker's soul to Boldwin again in the NG+ to get him to forge special weapons? I guess I might as well go do it again, but I know it can be a pain and takes a while to get to...

Also, I'm noticing a strange thing - all my worlds are near pure white from where I left off in my last playthrough and yet I'm not getting the near-white tendency events. The 1-1 gate is closed and the red dragon showed up on that bridge of soldiers in 1-1. I hadn't seen that before since he wasn't there when I first started the game. Then the rubble was still in place near Rydell, and the ladder was not present in 5-1. I had all those things (except the gate in 1-1) cleared for me before I got to pure white in my first game - and I still seem to be there if not totally pure.

Jodou

11-10-2009, 10:53 AM

Yeah, I hadn't played since the Halloween event and everything was pure black for me. Last night: pure white everywhere. I've no idea why it's so buggy because it's absolutely random.

On a side note, I got IRHari 11 levels in about one minute using the glitch. Then the server started acting up again and we couldn't summon each other no matter where we went. We're gonna try it again tonight, but it's ridiculously easy to do and I'm looking forward to just having a maxed character that rapes face.

Saint Noir

11-10-2009, 11:34 AM

SynGamer

11-10-2009, 11:46 AM

io, you always have to give flamelurkers soul to the blacksmith.

Also, you are not in pure white if the things aren't open. You are probably really close. It can be hard to tell sometimes. I used to think mine was glitched, but then I saw it get whiter (like Sammy Sosa).

Did you watch George Lopez last night?

Anyway, I may pop this back in sometime this week between MW2 sessions. I'll try and get my souls back in 5-1 (or try to beat 5-1) and then go to 3-1 and see what Freke has to offer.

11-10-2009, 06:26 PM

io, you always have to give flamelurkers soul to the blacksmith.

Also, you are not in pure white if the things aren't open. You are probably really close. It can be hard to tell sometimes. I used to think mine was glitched, but then I saw it get whiter (like Sammy Sosa).

Well, some of those things are not pure-white events. I know I had the ladder in 5-1 when I first played and it was nowhere near full white. Oh well, no big deal - I don't need any of that stuff this playthrough anyway. I am just going to power through this one and try to get more levels to make it easier on the next one to do the phantoms and such again. Though I should at least take on the primevil demons I suppose.

Saint Noir

11-10-2009, 06:34 PM

Well, some of those things are not pure-white events. I know I had the ladder in 5-1 when I first played and it was nowhere near full white. Oh well, no big deal - I don't need any of that stuff this playthrough anyway. I am just going to power through this one and try to get more levels to make it easier on the next one to do the phantoms and such again. Though I should at least take on the primevil demons I suppose.

Make sure you get the colorless souls from the crow that are super easy (talisman of god and gold mask both give colorless souls in return).

11-10-2009, 07:46 PM

Make sure you get the colorless souls from the crow that are super easy (talisman of god and gold mask both give colorless souls in return).

Yeah, I wish I had known about the first "push-down" plank on 5-1 as that leads to a Talisman of God - I was always trying to figure out how to get above there and drop to it and just gave up on that treasure eventually. Thus I only had one in my first playthrough (from 4-1) so I didn't want to give it to the crow. I also just found out that the woman merchant in 5-1 sells them for 5000. D'oh! Oh well, I could have had another last playthrough (I did do the mask though). I'll make sure to do it this playthrough as I now have THREE Talisman of God (got the one on 4-1 again as well last night).

So now that I will end up with extra colorless demon souls (I already have 3 in stock and have purchased the miracle that requires 3 already) what should I do with them? What is the best weapon to upgrade with them? I assume that is the only use at this point, right?

Saint Noir

11-10-2009, 08:15 PM

Far as I know that is it. I don't know what you want to upgrade with them. Depends on your play style. I think I am going to upgrade the adjudicator shield so it regens HP a LOT faster. 8HP/Sec with a +5 shield.

If you are big on magic maybe a kris blade or a rune sword. If you are big on faith, large sword of moonlight. Etc.

salty tbone

11-10-2009, 11:50 PM

So now that I will end up with extra colorless demon souls (I already have 3 in stock and have purchased the miracle that requires 3 already) what should I do with them? What is the best weapon to upgrade with them? I assume that is the only use at this point, right?

There's a miracle that requires 3 colorless demon souls, as well.

ChibiJosh

11-10-2009, 11:58 PM

There's a miracle that requires 3 colorless demon souls, as well.

and have purchased the miracle that requires 3 already)
indeed

salty tbone

11-11-2009, 12:18 AM

indeed

D'oh. -1 on reading comprehension on my part. Sorry for the dopey post. :dunce:

11-11-2009, 12:19 AM

No problem salty ;).

Chibi - man, I am really trying to catch up with you but all the deaths in 5-1 last night hindered my progress. I had 2 1/2 levels of stored souls from my endgame and then got a couple more last night. So now I'm at 101 I think.

I'm going to try a bevy of bosses tonight (2-1, 3-1, Vanguard, 4-1 at least). We'll see what I get for all that and hopefully they aren't too much more difficult than before. Then maybe I'll take the shortcut through 2-2 and take on Flamelurker, though I'm not looking forward to him being toughened up. He was hard enough the first time. Maybe I'll try the "get him caught up in the bones" trick, though that ends up being harder than it sounds (because he's chasing you all over as you are trying to figure out where that is).

ChibiJosh

11-11-2009, 12:32 AM

11-11-2009, 12:41 AM

I think I'm 139, so you need to get to 114. Just be a blue phanton. If you die as a blue phantom, you don't lose souls (unless it's at the hand of a black phantom). That's how I got from the 90s to the 120s.

You mean assist people? I keep trying to do that and no one ever summons me. I figured I was too high a level to get in anyone's game - but if you did it from 90 to 120 then I should be able to.

I'll try right now!

Saint Noir

11-11-2009, 12:52 AM

Then maybe I'll take the shortcut through 2-2 and take on Flamelurker, though I'm not looking forward to him being toughened up. He was hard enough the first time. Maybe I'll try the "get him caught up in the bones" trick, though that ends up being harder than it sounds (because he's chasing you all over as you are trying to figure out where that is).

My trick on him was to run up the stairs across the room where the next fog was... he usually can't get passed the debris/stairs and I just soul arrow him. I have done this twice with no issue. ChibiJosh tried this though and got hammered. It is important to not hit him too quickly, cause that makes him mad and he rushes/jumps up the debris covered steps at that point. So, just a slow and steady ping from soul arrow and he is a sucker... in my game at least. :lol:

ChibiJosh

11-11-2009, 01:09 AM

The real trick for flamelurker (and every boss) is to have a blue phantom to distract them while you hammer them with magic from a distance.

crystalklear64

11-11-2009, 01:25 AM

on my forth level 90+ character now and just can't seem to find a satisfying build. my blueblood sword build has been the most fun, but none of my character feel like they are as strong as they should be for their levels. also, every time i start playing, i immediately lose motivation when i consider why am i bothering to continue grinding souls when more of the same awaits me in future playthroughs.

once you beat the game what keep you guys going in ng+ runs? its not like leveling up will make you any stronger in pvp since you'll still have to fight people in your level group.

Saint Noir

11-11-2009, 01:36 AM

my blueblood sword build has been the most fun

If you still have this build and are close enough to me in levels, are you opposed to letting me hold your sword? :D

I'm probably starting to wind down on my play. I may start a brand new character in the future or would play to jump into other people's games to help. But I have already put so much in, need to play a few other things too! :lol:

Jodou

11-11-2009, 01:39 AM

As of this posting, IRHari and I are SL 605 lol. We've been grinding the glitch for about four hours now, but his net just dropped or something. If he's able to get back on, we'll be 712 tonight. I'm pretty excited to see how much of a difference this will make on enemies and bosses, since defenses will be really high. Will be interesting to see what kind of drops we get with 99 luck, too.

gunm

11-11-2009, 02:29 AM

What's a good level to do the glitch? I'm curious just how uber that is during a regular NG run at that level, lol.

11-11-2009, 06:00 AM

So I beat the Adjuticator tonight in NG+. I got killed twice but ended up recovering my souls both times. They were both just mistakes. One time I was trying to heal without getting far enough behind him and he got me during the healing animation. Blah... Anyway, since you have to go through all of 4-1 each time and I was able to recover everything the good news is I got 180,000 souls out of the adventure ;). (Though that is only 2 1/2 levels where I'm at right now).

I'm sitting outside Flamelurker right now, waiting to go in.

I also took care of the Spider (got killed there from being careless too) and Fool's Idol. Right after I beat Fool's Idol I went up via the gargoles and grabbed the demon's soul from the archstone. Then I was talking to my son for a few seconds and then went back to the archstone to leave. But it wouldn't let me leave - said some nonsense about not being able to go back to the Nexus in multiplayer. I was, like, WTF!? I kept trying it and it said the same thing. Then, finally, about 30 seconds later it said I was being invaded! This was the first time except for once when I had jumped off a cliff and got invaded as I was falling (I hope that douche didn't get a win from that!).

So now it was on. But I didn't know how it worked, really. Where do you spawn when you invade? Of course I was right by the archstone. So I was deciding what to do and then there comes this black phantom right down the pathway leading from the archstone (so I have no idea where he actually spawned). He had tons of armor and a big-ass sword but no shield. I ran up and nailed him with my winged moon spear +5 and my son said he was almost dead (I was concentrating too much on his possible attack to even notice his health). Then he ran off past the archstone to the spiral stairs (this is beginning of 4-2 remember) and healed behind an obstacle I couldn't poke through. So then he came back out at full health and finally got off a huge overheaded swing which took 90% of my health and knocked me down. I rolled backwards just after getting up and he missed with his killing strike. Then I poked him a few times and even though I had almost no health he backed up, I guess, to heal. Then he fell down the void behind the archstone (where the gargoyles carry you up). I win ;). I really had him down to just one more hit though on the initial melee. I wish I had finished him off then.

So, like, then I got nothing - jack squat - for beating him. WTF? I guess my CT would have gone up but it is pure white anyway.

11-11-2009, 08:23 AM

My trick on him was to run up the stairs across the room where the next fog was... he usually can't get passed the debris/stairs and I just soul arrow him. I have done this twice with no issue. ChibiJosh tried this though and got hammered. It is important to not hit him too quickly, cause that makes him mad and he rushes/jumps up the debris covered steps at that point. So, just a slow and steady ping from soul arrow and he is a sucker... in my game at least. :lol:

I wish I had seen this before I went back up to fight Flamelurker. I went down there about 5 times (thank god for the shortcut or I'd have gone insane) and got pummeled. I didn't have nearly this much trouble with him the first time around. I had him down to 25% or so on 3 or 4 of those attempts but once he goes aggro he just pounds on me. I even tried using the brushwood armor set but it didn't seem to make much difference. One time I was about to win and the thing that is the cause of more deaths than I can remember did me in. I've lost track of how many times the lock on won't pick up an enemy RIGHT NEXT to you. With flamelurker there's no excuse for it not to (for example sometimes it locks on other enemies further away). I was cornered by him with the camera flailing wildly so I tried to lock on so I could keep my shield up between me and him, and then try to back out sideways. Well, since it didn't lock I ended up turning around and that was the end of me.

But maybe I'll try it again by going up the stairs. One time I did have him locked up on the dragon bones but once he went aggro at 25% health he broke out and came after me big time.

Then I went to 3-2 to try to get to Maneater and slogged my way all through there with little trouble and right before the second tower I got surprise attacked by one of the gargoyles that shoots arrows (there is one floating off to the right past the crystal gecko in the part after the swamp). That just nicked me. But the problem was I turned around ran back and ran off the edge :bomb:. I had spent so much time getting through there too... I had an interesting drop, though: got a pure mercurystone off one of the spider things. And that world is definitely near pure white because the bridge was up on top of the first chain tower. I've never gotten a pure stone off a regular enemy before (only the geckos).

Oh well... Chibi, I'm at 107 now. I'm getting there and would have been so much closer if I hadn't screwed that up.

Saint Noir

11-11-2009, 10:17 AM

IO, Just make sure you are up the stairs and hug the side with the debris (right side if facing stairs). If he follows you up, roll off the stairs and circle around and back up until he catches where he can't get up. And remember to hit him slowly.

Snake2715

11-11-2009, 10:21 AM

IRHari

11-11-2009, 10:41 AM

Yep Jodou's right, my internet had a myocardial infarction or something. Anyway, obviously its working now.

gunm, you need to at least have soulsucker, so you pretty much have to be in NG+. Once you are though you can start anywhere at any time. Both Jodou and I started at around Level 220, and at that level we both weren't seeing many blue soul signs or red signs, so theres pretty much a little to no chance of getting invaded.

If you're trying to do it with someone immediately after starting NG+ (guessing around level 100), you might want to do it in an obscure area so no one can find you if you get invaded.

Jodou

11-11-2009, 10:56 AM

What's a good level to do the glitch? I'm curious just how uber that is during a regular NG run at that level, lol.
We've just been using 2-1 since it's by far the safest with zero chance of enemies interrupting. Once you're past the 250-300 level mark, you don't have to worry about being invaded either. Actually, not sure if you can even be invaded while dueling.

Jodou

11-11-2009, 11:02 AM

Now you need to go hunt down the bastards that have like 29 deaths and show them what experience is, since they really havent played the game!
We've killed like 2-3 invaders since we started toying around with the glitch, just testing it and whatnot. My favorite was when I had just summoned him in 1-4 and a dude spawned directly in front of him. The guy shit his pants, ran into the archers, got hit and we both stabbed him in the back.

BTW, you need to have cleared the game twice before attempting this because you need both soulsucker and a red eye stone.

IRHari

11-11-2009, 11:11 AM

Jodou are you at work? I'm off today (G-Man). Just lemme know when you wanna get back on and finish this.

Jodou

11-11-2009, 11:45 AM

Jodou are you at work? I'm off today (G-Man). Just lemme know when you wanna get back on and finish this.
Happy Vets day, mate! I'm stuck at work, so it will have to be later. Good thing I have ninja reflexes and was able to quit after you dropped last night, so I'm still at 604. You probably weren't saved either, so we'll just pick up where we left off.

IRHari

11-11-2009, 03:55 PM

Yeah it was weird, it said session ended and I didn't know what could've caused that. Then it logged me out of PSN, I couldn't access websites, and I knew what had happened.

It did save for me cause I wound up going back to the Nexus not realizing what happened, so just let me know how many you have and I'll get up to that point. Just get on vent when you can and we'll coordinate from there.

11-11-2009, 04:08 PM

What does the red eye stone do? You get that from the evil ending, right?

ChibiJosh

11-11-2009, 04:11 PM

It's like an unholy combination of the blue and black phantoms. You basically put down a soul sign for someone to summon you as a black phantom

11-11-2009, 04:14 PM

So wait, it means that someone thinks they are summoning help but end up being invaded with a hostile instead?

ChibiJosh

11-11-2009, 04:19 PM

No, it's a red soul sign.

Jodou

11-11-2009, 04:29 PM

What does the red eye stone do? You get that from the evil ending, right?
Red eye stone is for dueling, but for some reason you're still summoned with all the negative effects of a black phantom. Pretty shoddy dueling system. You get it from killing the black maiden at the end of the game.

IRHari

11-11-2009, 04:42 PM

It's like you're inviting them to join your game as a hostile phantom. Basically a consensual duel. If you're going with a friend he'll be able to attack enemies and enemies won't attack him, and you'll get the soul reward. Might be really good in pure black WT to kill black phantoms & soul farm.

erehwon

11-11-2009, 05:48 PM

I finally decided to open up my Deluxe copy last night, though I didn't play. I ended up reading through the guide some. I'm trying to decide what kind of class to start as. I'm wanting a character with some kind of long distance attack, which means either a bow or a magic attack.

11-11-2009, 05:54 PM

^^^ Royalty, hand down. It will make the first level so much less painful. You can always modify it later when you level up to take on other styles. First thing you do when you can get back to the Nexus is ditch the crappy starter shield and get a heater shield from the merchant there. I forget what I did for a weapon before I got a hold of the winged spear. But you can get that pretty early on with a suicide run (in 1-2, where the dragon breathes fire just run out and grab the loot. You will get killed but you keep the item - since you can start at the 1-2 archstone and get there without too much trouble it is well worth it). You will want to level up your strength a bit beforehand to be able to handle the spear.

Mine is now pretty much a hybrid but with fairly low vitality/endurance. I'm just around level 30 in strength/dexterity/magic. I can melee with the spear/shield combo. And I find that I am using my bow a lot more than my magic at this point but I've been levelling my magic power anyway since it adds to the moon winged spear +5 attack (so it helps in melee, strangely enough). After putting a few levels in dexterity and magic I am finally able to one-shot the miners again in NG+... I was one-shotting them long ago in the regular game but the increased difficulty in NG+ set me way back. I need to get my dexterity even higher so I can go back to one-shotting crystal geckos too. Plus of course every bit helps in softening up enemies before they rush you (in particular the skeletons on 4-1), or at least it will help save time in hit-and-run sections (black katana skeletons, octopus men, etc).

SynGamer

11-11-2009, 06:10 PM

Completely agree with going with Royalty. Ranged attacks make this game A LOT less frustrating. I couldn't even imagine trying to take on a lot of these enemies via melee.

Jodou

11-11-2009, 08:17 PM

I couldn't even imagine trying to take on a lot of these enemies via melee.
That, is why you fail. ;)

So we're 712 now and while my damage really hasn't increased all that much, stuff hits me for so little it's hilarious. With warding on, it's a joke as well. It's like cutting down a tree with a herring!

Be sure to check the pantheon later this week for your favorite heroes.

happy

11-11-2009, 08:33 PM

4-2 is evil. I keep falling off the ledge killing the second reaper. Then I finally make it past and I get stabbed in the back getting a treasure.

11-11-2009, 09:16 PM

4-2 is evil. I keep falling off the ledge killing the second reaper. Then I finally make it past and I get stabbed in the back getting a treasure.

Ah, yeah, there are two places that invisible little assassins show up and backstab you if you aren't careful. The first place is right where the second reaper is standing. I killed him with arrows from above and then got killed by the surprise attack the first time I went in there. The second place is at the bottom of the stairs right before you go outside (there's a treasure back off around some vases and they will get you if you go right for that). There are two of them there. You can hear them scampering around right before they attack you. On my subsequent trips I just ran around in circles with my shield up until I bumped in to them. They are easy to kill once you spot them.

Jodou - Ah, warding, I always forget warding. Do you think that would help against Flamelurker or does his fire damage get past that anyway?

happy

11-11-2009, 10:55 PM

Luckily I beat the boss of 4-2 on my first try. Pretty easy since you can retreat and heal up/cast warding again whenever it gets close.

Only 4-3 and the boss of 1-4 left...

Jodou

11-12-2009, 12:32 AM

Jodou - Ah, warding, I always forget warding. Do you think that would help against Flamelurker or does his fire damage get past that anyway?
All his attacks are fire based, but the melee portion of his damage would be mitigated for one of his attacks. I just get him stuck on the bones so I'm not wasting time playing cat and mouse with him. Keep in mind that unless you're using a large brushwood shield, he will still do damage through your blocks. He's just an annoying boss all around, so I'd just cheese him if you can.

gunm

11-12-2009, 12:56 AM

If you don't have Brushwood, you can use PFS w/Flame Resist Ring and Water Veil to mitigate the fire damage too.

11-12-2009, 07:01 AM

Yeah, I ended up beating him using the method I think Saint Noir mentioned - going up to the top of the stairs and staying on the left side (as you face out). That worked like a charm as long as I laid off hitting him too hard. I had tried the Brushwood stuff the other day but it is all way too heavy and it impeded my rolling which I rely on quite a bit. The Purple Flame Shield + 10 does a decent enough job blocking most of his stuff. It's just when he hits multiple times it was a problem. I also finally got into a blue phantom session against him afterwards and the guy summoned two of us. Flamelurker was no match for 3 level 100 chars. I assume that was at least NG+ for that guy if not beyond.

I played a marathon session tonight and got several levels (Chibi - I'll have to check but I must be close if not there already. Maybe we can try something Friday night). I also beat Flamelurker, Dragon God, Tower Knight, freed Yuria, and went back to get Leechmonger finally. It was a bit easier with the 10 levels I gained since the other day. Not that Leechmonger was hard at all (just nailed him with arrows) but getting there was giving me fits last night.

The one that I thought would be easy because he was the first time was the Old Hero (4-2). Of course it is a pain getting there and I can't kill off the third reaper nearly as easily as I could before. I was using God's Wrath on him before and that worked this time except I needed to go through about 8 old spice to take him out. And now I'm pretty much out of spices so I had to stop. I got through the Old Hero twice and didn't really get very far on him. I'm using the thief's ring and arrows but both times as I was running from one end to the other he timed his swing perfectly (or I mistimed my run) such that he nailed me right as I ran past. Dammit... I think I only had to run back and forth like once in the original playthrough. I lost about 100,000 souls the last time and finally gave up.

Then I decided to free Yuria and give Soulsucker a try. Man, that is awesome. So far I've only used it on the blue-eye knights at the end of 1-2 (backtracking from the Tower Knight archstone). I had no idea you could sneak up so close to enemies! I would have done it before for backstabbings had I known that! So, I was getting about 12K for the little run there and that helped me get a few more levels (though I need over 80K per level now). So are there any better places to do this? Can you do it to the 3 red knights at the end of 4-3 once you beat Penetrator? And is it possible to use on the False King?

I'm not looking forward to Penetrator, though, that's for sure. He was a tough one when I had Biorr helping me and I hear Biorr will get destroyed in the NG+. Hopefully I can survive to collect his items because I lost them last time when he got killed by the blue dragon and then I got killed trying to inch too close to the fire for a better shot. And also Maneater might be a pain, though hopefully the method of taking the first one out still works as that made it much easier.

Other than that, I don't see too many of the other bosses being too tough even in NG+. Though I thought that about Old Hero too... I could see Garl being a pain in 4-3 I guess.

Logain8955

11-12-2009, 03:41 PM

Can you do it to the 3 red knights at the end of 4-3 once you beat Penetrator?

Yes. This's what the guide suggests you do for leveling in NG+. Apparently you get like 52k+ per skele.

Saint Noir

11-12-2009, 04:09 PM

Yeah, I ended up beating him using the method I think Saint Noir mentioned - going up to the top of the stairs and staying on the left side (as you face out). That worked like a charm as long as I laid off hitting him too hard.

I could see Garl being a pain in 4-3 I guess.

Glad it worked for someone else! :lol:

As for Garl in 5-3, just stay up top and shoot arrows at the lady in the back. You just have to damage her faster than she can heal, which is not very fast at all.

salty tbone

11-12-2009, 05:36 PM

The one that I thought would be easy because he was the first time was the Old Hero (4-2). Of course it is a pain getting there and I can't kill off the third reaper nearly as easily as I could before. I was using God's Wrath on him before and that worked this time except I needed to go through about 8 old spice to take him out. And now I'm pretty much out of spices so I had to stop. I got through the Old Hero twice and didn't really get very far on him. I'm using the thief's ring and arrows but both times as I was running from one end to the other he timed his swing perfectly (or I mistimed my run) such that he nailed me right as I ran past. Dammit... I think I only had to run back and forth like once in the original playthrough. I lost about 100,000 souls the last time and finally gave up.

I beat him the second time just standing behind the first pillar to the right and hitting him with an arrow every 10 seconds and ducking behind the pillar. As long as you don't get overzealous and hit him too often, he'll just walk back and forth, scream, but never come after you. Then you don't have to risk running back and forth (which I did the first time but didn't feel like risking this time). It's boring, but it gets the job done. :)

Jodou

11-12-2009, 05:38 PM

Wow, I may break my vow of not purchasing virtual items for this (http://www.siliconera.com/2009/11/12/sony-makes-dynamic-demons-souls-theme/). Hopefully Atlus brings it stateside.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUXFMu111M0

IRHari

11-12-2009, 06:30 PM

Yeah Jodou I'd bite on that too if it was brought stateside.

Both Jodou and I feel that Demon's Souls is the best PS3 exclusive game out on the console right now.

Jodou

11-12-2009, 06:45 PM

DS is hands down my GOTY. Nothing else this year has even come close to how much time I've put into this game.

gunm

11-12-2009, 06:52 PM

I don't have a lot of free time to straight up game, but DS is one of those rare titles I think about even when I'm not playing. Just for that, I'd give it my personal GOTY, too. It's definitely up there w/U2 and MW2 for me.

11-12-2009, 07:15 PM

Glad it worked for someone else! :lol:

As for Garl in 5-3, just stay up top and shoot arrows at the lady in the back. You just have to damage her faster than she can heal, which is not very fast at all.

Ah, you mean at the overlook where it always says "Coward" on the ground ;).

I'll give Garl a shot first as that is an easy one to get to. If he's too tough I'll go the other route. I still have to slog through 4-2, first, though. I'm not looking forward to that, though knowing the route to take should make it much easier than in my first game where I ran all over the swamp and got ambushed by that black phantom a few times. I need to make sure I don't scare off that first gecko this time too - I didn't even know he was there and always chased him off by accident before I had the bridge down.

There was also a total surprise gecko in 1-3 to the right of where the soldiers roll the 3 fireballs down at you. I guess because I always run up there and fight those guys and the gecko is off to the right and behind a bit that I never even saw him. For whatever reason, though, I caught him last night. Also, 1-3 is a cakewalk when you don't have to deal with the 2 black phantom ministers surrounding you on that upper part ;) (which happens in even slightly black WT). This playthrough I'm not lowering WT at all yet.

ChibiJosh

11-12-2009, 07:22 PM

As for 5-3, she doesn't continuously heal. She heals for a little bit at predetermined intervals. Say, after you damage her for 400, she'll heal for 150 and then when you damage her for another 400, she'll heal for another 150. The numbers are made up, but that's the basic idea. Because the first time I did that, I didn't kill all her little minions before attacking her. So, I had to stop attacking her for a little bit to dispose of them, and she didn't heal at all during that time.

Saint Noir

11-12-2009, 08:22 PM

Ah, you mean at the overlook where it always says "Coward" on the ground ;).

Nonsense! I am killing a demon... not some poor puppet! ;)

ChibiJosh

11-12-2009, 08:29 PM

http://www.demons-souls.com/stratguide/

Strategy guide replacement program has launched. I think I might be too lazy to partake in it though.

gunm

11-12-2009, 08:38 PM

Even though my guide is ok right now, I might just do this anyway so I can keep the new guide pristine and actually use the old one.

xeex

11-12-2009, 09:58 PM

I'm on NG++, and have used the guide extensively. About 1/4 of the cover has rubbed off, and the spine is almost completely white.

Needless to say, my envelope is ready to go out tomorrow.

11-12-2009, 10:13 PM

Yeah, I have been very careful to be gentle with my guide - even going so far as to xerox the parts that I use frequently. And yet the spine on mine is still getting white on the edges. I will definitely be replacing it. The plus is that I can then just use my coverless guide without worrying about it any more and then put the new one I get away with the game when I'm done with it (I'm sure I'll be done with the game before the new guide arrives).

Edit - just printed my form. By the way, I love the half-assed cutting job the guy in the demo pictures did on the address label :lol:.

http://www.demons-souls.com/stratguide/sg/STEP5A.JPG

Jam424

11-12-2009, 10:34 PM

About to start this game, anyone want to help me get through a little bit of it?

IRHari

11-13-2009, 10:12 PM

I can officially confirm that even at SLvl 712, Black Phantom Satsuki is still a beast. He killed me in 2 hits lol...

jmbreci

11-13-2009, 11:35 PM

About to start this game, anyone want to help me get through a little bit of it?

Start as a Royal...I'm around 31 or 32 since I do not have much time (zero until Sunday night, if then)...so hit me up when you get near your 30s.

Soul Arrow and the MP regen ring really help on that first level. Learn to roll if you want to melee at all. Soul Arrow the Blue Knight (easiest way early on with a Royal) and do not try the Red Knight for a while unless you really like death. Kill 1-1 boss and then get ready to start leveling....there's plenty of good info on how to do that depending on how you like to play.

ChibiJosh

11-14-2009, 01:04 AM

11-14-2009, 01:30 AM

I teamed up with io just now to give him a couple items for trophies. We got invaded 3 times in 1-2. We were passed by by the first guy, and finished the trade and then went looking for him. I ran into him and he tried to use firestorm, so I used firestorm as well. I lived, he died. Good stuff. I don't know about you, io, but I was laughing my ass off after that.
Second guy invaded shortly thereafter. He came running at us, so I did what comes naturally, I used firestorm. It hit him and knocked him back, only taking about half of his life. This guy figures that, upon getting up, it would be a good idea to cast warding. It wasn't. He casts warding, and runs at me again. I cast firestorm again, dead.
I start to go through the level with io, but I lose him (many times) when a 3rd BP invades. io manages to kill him somehow, I guess (or the dragon does). I wasn't around to see it.
Then io gets killed by the dragon, and I figure it's time to stop.

Yeah, that was pretty awesome. You say the first one passed us by? I didn't know that. It must have been when I was frantically trying to drop your stuff ;).

I did kill that third one - he was on top of the second tower and I had my Graverobber's ring on so I don't think he saw me till I popped right up the stairs in front of him. He did manage to cast warding but I got him down to about 20% with my moon winged spear and then he cast something big and it killed me but thanks to your tip (ie, seeing you cast it) I had Second Chance active (luckily I had it memorized though I don't use it too often). I think the second phantom killed me too because I had to recast it after that. But, anyway, I think I surprised him by getting back up and then after one more poke with my spear he was toast. He should have healed while I was knocked down ;).

That was actually pretty damn fun - teaming up on black phantoms that is. And boy did they come fast and furious there - hardly a break!

As for the end, well, that was kind of funny because I have always taken care of the red dragon first thing before proceeding to the Tower Knight. I had NO IDEA the dragon came back along that last stretch of bridge leading up to the boss. That was a complete surprise to me. I was going to do what I usually do and go take out all the grunts manning the bridge :lol:.

ChibiJosh

11-14-2009, 01:37 AM

We ran into the first BP on the bridge in the first tower-thing, after the area the dragon first comes down.
Also, I avenged you. I went back to the nexus, memorized poison cloud, and killed the dragon.

Bezerker

11-14-2009, 09:16 AM

Using God's Wrath on the Red Dragon near the begining of that bridge when he swoops down was the easiest method IMO. My faith is only 25, but with the Miracle ring, i was doing 450ish per cast. You just gotta make sure to time it right.

I'm currently on my 2nd playthrough, but with Ratchet & Clank & MW2 burning a hole in my backlog, I decided just to take a break from DS. I've still got 600 levels to go before i hit the cap, so i'll probably start playing again eventually.

bjstucker

11-14-2009, 10:05 AM

I really need to get on with Shin I keep seeing him on but never pm him about playing the game.

Jodou

11-14-2009, 10:46 AM

This guy figures that, upon getting up, it would be a good idea to cast warding.
Man, if you're going to PvP at that level, you always run with anti-magic memorized. That guy was an idiot.

IRHari

11-14-2009, 02:50 PM

So, Jodou and I are now ranked 11th and 12th in the world, respectively, for # of souls collected. We're both 712.

I feel kinda bad for the guy right below me at 13. He's around SLvL 550, and he's been playing for 200+ hours. Looks like he's doing it legit.

Anyway, just gotta beat World 2 3 and 5 to get my Plat. If anyone else is 712 and wants to help me lemme know lol.

Oh I found out a cool glitch to kill False King very quickly. It's just as safe as Poison Cloud, but it's a lot faster. Basically just lower your health to <30%, throw on Morion Blade and Clever Rat's, and get out your bow. Now, when you enter the fog, DO NOT MOVE. His health bar shouldn't show up at the bottom. Now you should see the tip of his head. Fire arrows at it until he dies. Note that every time you hit him he'll move back a bit, so you'll have to readjust your aim a bit, just make sure you don't move from that original spot.

gunm

11-14-2009, 06:13 PM

Does False King eventually return to his original spot when you hit him that far away? Seems like a lot of mobs will do that eventually if they can't "see" or get to you. I tried killing the black skel at the beginning of 4-1 this way--took a while, but it can be done.

IRHari

11-14-2009, 06:26 PM

I'm not sure, he might, but it just might take a while. Either way, you do less damage cause he's farther away, but its not a whole lot less. You should be doing a lot anyway because of Morion + Clever Rats. It was definitely a lot faster than poison cloud. In NG+ Poison cloud takes around 30 minutes, this took like, 3 minutes.

11-14-2009, 06:47 PM

I need to make this Morion blade thing but I don't think I can this playthrough (my second). I think I used that soul for a spell or miracle. I have all the miracles done and should get all the spells next play.

All I have left on this one is the Storm King and the False King. I may go ahead and do the Foe's ring sequence as well since it doesn't look like I'm going to be able to borrow that one.

Thanks to Chibi I got the bladestone trophy, as that was gonna be a serious pain. However, I still have the cloudstone one to do. I used the large sword of searching (which I just made last night) to farm the greystone chunks I needed for the crushing axe. But for the cloudstones I only have one chunk and I think that is on a corpse in 4-3. So I'll get one more this play but then I still need 5 more. Since they never drop from the stingrays it looks like 7 playthroughs are needed to get that :roll:.

The guide says to get the stingrays in 4-2 because they have a higher chance of dropping them. But in 4-2 it is impossible to get them to fall on the narrow cliff-side path (the onlyplace you are outside). maybe that was a typo and they meant 4-3? Still, I farmed there quite a bit last game and never got one. I have tons of shards though.

Someone here said the red eye knights on 1-3 are good for soulsucker and give you like 52K. Wrongo - I get about 12k from them with the Ring of Avarice on. The guide doesn't mention them at all - what it talks about is the black phantom black katana skeleton on 4-2 that you can backtrack from the 4-3 archstone to get to. I guess this is also how you can get bladestones. I'm not sure if I'll bother with that though it will probably be good for me to make the world 4 WT black so I can get a better chance of cloudstone drops too so maybe I can farm some levels from the skeleton too.

But another good place to do it that is really easy and very quick is by backtracking from the 3-4 archstone to the black phantom Octupus men in the stairwell. You can get about 20-30K just from those 2 and it only takes a minute. And it doesn't require black WT for those guys to show up.

Also, someone said the Talisman of Beasts is not as good as a dedicated catalyst or talisman. Well, it may have to do with my magic and faith levels, but it does WAY more damage than my silver catalyst. I finally decided to try it last night and now it is saving me a ton of time from trying to switch them back and forth all the time - it is nice to have one thing to use for everything! I would recommend using that ASAP.

Jodou

11-14-2009, 07:14 PM

You and Chibi can always dupe w/e you need to level up a weapon as long as you have at least one of the item.

I got your message, Hari. Let me know if you still need help.

IRHari

11-14-2009, 07:23 PM

Ecofreak

11-14-2009, 08:07 PM

Congrats to the Demon's Soul thread -- more posts and more views than Uncharted 2. It's understandable considering there are so many more components to discuss, but still very impressive for a niche game that very few people knew about until the game actually launched.

So I think this game will have strong legs.

11-14-2009, 11:57 PM

Man, if you're going to PvP at that level, you always run with anti-magic memorized. That guy was an idiot.

What exactly does anti-magic do? Does it negate all spells for a short time or something? I have it but I've never felt the need to use it in the regular game.

I think they must have meant 4-3 cause its impossible to get the drop from storm beasts if you kill them in 4-2. However, even in 4-3, the chunks are still rare as fuck. I must've done 5 runs, and gotten 1 chunk. Even then, I still had a bunch of stones that fell over rocks and I couldn't pick them up cause of the way the storm beasts fall and die.

7 Playthroughs is probably overkill. Remember to find out which shield requires the least amount of materials to upgrade. Looks like soldier's shield or buckler is a good option.

I said 7 playthroughs because there is only 1 you get from a corpse - and given how many rays I've killed and collected drops from without getting a single chunk I figure I may have to go that many. And I already checked the guide - 7 is the minimum you need for the crappy shields, which is why I said 7 ;).

But now that I have the large sword of searching, I'll try making the WT black and then going after them so more. The spiderstone drops from the miners in 2-2 increased dramatically in black WT so maybe it will help with these as well. Like you said, though, it is hard to get the drops not to be on top of rocks you can't reach :bomb:.

I had to go into the end of 2-2 about 15 times last night with the sword (but not at black WT) to get 4 chunks of greystone. So I don't expect rapid progress - but I need to get 6 chunks... It would be nice to upgrade a decent shield, but oh well - I guess there's no point.

Jodou

11-15-2009, 12:33 AM

What exactly does anti-magic do? Does it negate all spells for a short time or something? I have it but I've never felt the need to use it in the regular game.
As in you can't cast spells at all. It completely shuts down mages.

IRHari

11-15-2009, 01:20 AM

What is longcat? Is it a cat that is long or something? I've heard about it but I've never seen it.

salty tbone

11-15-2009, 01:30 AM

I think they must have meant 4-3 cause its impossible to get the drop from storm beasts if you kill them in 4-2. However, even in 4-3, the chunks are still rare as fuck. I must've done 5 runs, and gotten 1 chunk. Even then, I still had a bunch of stones that fell over rocks and I couldn't pick them up cause of the way the storm beasts fall and die.

I said 7 playthroughs because there is only 1 you get from a corpse - and given how many rays I've killed and collected drops from without getting a single chunk I figure I may have to go that many. And I already checked the guide - 7 is the minimum you need for the crappy shields, which is why I said 7 ;).

But now that I have the large sword of searching, I'll try making the WT black and then going after them so more. The spiderstone drops from the miners in 2-2 increased dramatically in black WT so maybe it will help with these as well. Like you said, though, it is hard to get the drops not to be on top of rocks you can't reach :bomb:.

The way I got the chunks was farming on 4-1. Reason why is that the rays there drop every time. I would run up the stairs, kill the first two rays, then jump off the ledge, repeat. (Those two rays were the easiest to get the drops to fall on land). The chunks were very rare, it probably took me as long to farm them as it was to get a pure bladestone.

I couldn't figure out how to get rays on 4-2 to drop on a ledge, and on 4-3 the drops alone were rare (so just having a chance at a rare chunk was that much more miniscule). Plus that area gives me a headache to begin with.

ChibiJosh

11-15-2009, 01:45 AM

io: I think I have the soul for the morion blade, I just haven't bothered making it. I could try to make it sometime and give it to you.

As in you can't cast spells at all. It completely shuts down mages.

But it only works in a certain range. I've killed someone with magic when there was anti-magic field around.

Jodou

11-15-2009, 02:49 AM

But it only works in a certain range. I've killed someone with magic when there was anti-magic field around.
The point is, it protects you within lethal range. Outside the field, everything is very easy to dodge or block. If they died to something outside the range, then they deserved to die for being awful.

ChibiJosh

11-15-2009, 02:56 AM

Well, it was at the beginning of 3-1, can't really dodge there.

Snake2715

11-15-2009, 04:10 AM

As in you can't cast spells at all. It completely shuts down mages.

I had that on for the old monk fight tonight and people were casting away... Clue me in.

ChibiJosh

11-15-2009, 04:35 AM

People as in who? If a host casts it, it doesn't affect blue phantoms. If a blue phantom casts it, it doesn't work on the host.

11-15-2009, 08:04 AM

The way I got the chunks was farming on 4-1. Reason why is that the rays there drop every time. I would run up the stairs, kill the first two rays, then jump off the ledge, repeat. (Those two rays were the easiest to get the drops to fall on land). The chunks were very rare, it probably took me as long to farm them as it was to get a pure bladestone.

I couldn't figure out how to get rays on 4-2 to drop on a ledge, and on 4-3 the drops alone were rare (so just having a chance at a rare chunk was that much more miniscule). Plus that area gives me a headache to begin with.

Well, I did a bit of farming on 4-3 tonight. I went in about 15 times and got ONE chunk. I even spent 7 or 8 stones of ephemeral eyes to get it to black. When I did that the drops were much more frequent but I still didn't get any chunks (I got the one early on when it was white). But, for example, one time in black WT I got 7 drops from the rays, but all shards... Then the server bugged out and when I came back in it was in neutral WT! WTF!? I disabled online after that and will get it back to dark again tomorrow. I also noticed that a few worlds I had at pure white went down a notch and I didn't do a thing in there. The onlne is hosed in that respect (it always seems to revert to neutral by one step each time you log in).

The good thing about farming on 4-3, at least, is that you get a lot of souls out of it as well, so it was sort of worth it for that, though it is getting tedious.

Then I discovered I screwed up in my last game. I had read in the guide that there is a chunk as treasure on 4-3. I had one in my inventory before I got to 4-3 this game so I assumed that was from the treasure. But then I couldn't find it in the NG+. I looked at the FAQ and it says there are "some" chunks on a body near Storm Ruler (the sword). I was, like, WTF!? I went all over there. So I just went back in and it is WAY off to the right of Storm Ruler down by the cliffs. You have to jump down (or follow the cliff) to get to it. The fucking body has TWO of them. So, yeah, I missed them on my first game but must have gotten one from a drop. Add the 1 drop I got tonight and the 2 from the corpse and I now have 4 of the 7 minimum. I guess I need to play 2 more times anyway to get all the spells and weapons, though on the 4th playthrough you don't need to do World 4 at all (I'm already done with all the demon's souls there in terms of weapons/spells). So unless I can farm 1 more I'll need to play through all that on the 4th playthrough. (I'll get two more from the 3rd play anyway).

So, yeah, in any case at least it doesn't require 7 playthroughs like I said earlier.

Now, the bladestones are a bitch and I'm super glad Chibi had that Sharp weapon to lend me. While I had world 4 briefly black I backtracked from the Old Hero archstone to the black phantom black katana skeleton. It was a bit of a pain because you have to go through the glowling light cave and I actually got killed there like 3 times - my shield didn't seem to work this time. But when I finally got to him and used soulsucker I'm pretty sure I got 25K + 50K for the spell. 75K on one kill is tremendous. I also got a single chunk of bladestone - my first so far in the game! That pure bladestone would be a nightmare.

To contrast, the geckos in 4-3 yielded 4 or 5 pure moonlightstones (or maybe darkmoonstones, I forget) when I took them out after Storm King :roll:.

io: I think I have the soul for the morion blade, I just haven't bothered making it. I could try to make it sometime and give it to you.

But it only works in a certain range. I've killed someone with magic when there was anti-magic field around.

Thanks, but I no longer need it - it was Storm King's soul that made it and I just beat him in my second game and made the sword. Now I can try the strategy of that + clever rat's ring + bow to take out the False King.

So, when certain enemies like the Octopus Men and Maneater cast that ringed shield like thing is that the anti-magic field?

IRHari

11-15-2009, 01:52 PM

Got my Platinum today, finally! Thanks to Jodou for all the help.

Funny thing happened, I was fighting maneater, I got the first one down to one arrow before the fog, then I went in and killed him. Second one swooped down, I cast firestorm, and he was down to a sliver of life. Then he disappeared. I spent like 5 minutes looking for him. Turns out he was flying above the old monk tower, REALLY REALLY high up. I couldn't attack him in any way so I just walked around hoping he would come down. Eventually he did and I killed him, but I'm wondering if this bug might have to do with me attacking the first maneater through the fog?

Yeah no matter what you do this game should NEVER require more than 4 playthroughs to get platinum, unless you fuck something up with the boss demon souls.

gunm

11-15-2009, 02:33 PM

How much "easier" is the game @ soul level 712? One shot a lot of things?

Jodou

11-15-2009, 02:50 PM

Got my Platinum today, finally! Thanks to Jodou for all the help.
Grats, mate! About Maneater: you just found one of the ways I used to bug them out for a 1v1 until I was ready to fight the other. You can either get him to fly sky high or infinitely run into the fog by using thief's ring and some baiting. The boss AI is really, really bad in this game to a seasoned exploiter lol.
How much "easier" is the game @ soul level 712? One shot a lot of things?
Many of the bosses you can one-shot with firestorm. Any strong spell will usually kill everything in one hit. I mean, you have to be trying real hard to get yourself killed at 712.

IRHari

11-15-2009, 03:30 PM

I dunno I got hit twice by BP Satsuki and died pretty quickly in body form.

I was in Soul Form in your game Jodou, and the BP OctopusMan one shotted me with soul arrow when I was at full health.

I was being dumb, and it wasn't cheap, but yeah, the game is overall a lot easier at 712, needless to say.

salty tbone

11-15-2009, 04:25 PM

Then I discovered I screwed up in my last game. I had read in the guide that there is a chunk as treasure on 4-3. I had one in my inventory before I got to 4-3 this game so I assumed that was from the treasure. But then I couldn't find it in the NG+. I looked at the FAQ and it says there are "some" chunks on a body near Storm Ruler (the sword). I was, like, WTF!? I went all over there. So I just went back in and it is WAY off to the right of Storm Ruler down by the cliffs. You have to jump down (or follow the cliff) to get to it. The fucking body has TWO of them. So, yeah, I missed them on my first game but must have gotten one from a drop.

Thanks for mentioning this because I totally missed them in my first (and second) playthrough too. I'm thinking there is still a single chunk at the beginning of 4-3 as treasure, though, but I can't remember for sure. Either way I wasted a bunch of time farming chunks when there were two on the cliff the whole time.

Jodou

11-15-2009, 05:07 PM

I was in Soul Form in your game Jodou, and the BP OctopusMan one shotted me with soul arrow when I was at full health.
Lol, that was just seconds after you were warning me about him, even though I was already prepping and hiding around the corner to pop out. I saw you out there trying to bow him and said this dude is gonna die, just as you did.

IRHari

11-15-2009, 05:29 PM

Yeah seriously i JUST found out you can side roll and dodge while you're in that 3rd person bow aiming mode. Oh that would've saved me so many herbs and deaths :(

11-15-2009, 08:13 PM

Funny thing happened, I was fighting maneater, I got the first one down to one arrow before the fog, then I went in and killed him.

I see a lot of people talking about getting him to one arrow before going in. Why? Can't you just kill him outright before going in? That's what I've done the two times I've fought Maneater.

Salty - I don't think there is a single chunk treasure at the start. I've been all through that level and haven't found another. Though I suppose maybe I didn't look up near the top that much since I just come in at the Storm King archstone and take out the rays there directly. I'll check it out later as I'll be in there for sure. I want to farm at least one more so I don't have to bother with world 4 in my 4th playthrough (that will give me 5, then I can add the 2 from next playtrhough and I'll have the 7 to upgrade a stupid buckler or something). I still have some sort of hope for DLC or possibly using the save in a sequel, though, and would like to upgrade a purple flame shield. But I think that requires 9 chunks.

Since I'm just about done with my second playthrough I might try the black CT stuff (Mephistopheles quests). I don't think I'm gonna get someone to lend me the Foe's ring so I might as well - it's the only one I have left to get.

sotc1988

11-15-2009, 08:20 PM

IRHari

11-15-2009, 08:29 PM

I'm in a rut with this game. About halfway through my new game + and fuck it is just SO hard. I thought that once I got SoulSucker things might get better but I'm not really sure where I should farm souls with it. Any tips? I think I'll try to get to 4-4 at least so I can farm there.

Get World 4 to Pure Black WT. Equip Soul Sucker and Evacuate and a decent bow and Thiefs Ring and Ring of Avarice.

Go to the Old Hero Archstone and backtrack through the slug/white ball room. Go kill the 3rd reaper with your bow. Keep going till you're close to outside.

You should see a Black Phantom Black Skeleton. Get close enough to soulsuck him (your left foot should be barely past the grass) and he'll give you 56k souls. Keep going and there will be 2 Black Phantom Gold Skellies. Soulsuck them (run away after you suck the first so the second turns around). Keep going. You should be in the room with the 2nd reaper, kill him with your bow and evacuate.

This is what Jodou and I did before we glitched. You should get around 130k souls each run.

salty tbone

11-15-2009, 09:08 PM

Salty - I don't think there is a single chunk treasure at the start. I've been all through that level and haven't found another.

You're probably right. Perhaps I was thinking of another hard-to-find chunk such as greystone that there's a treasure of one.

11-15-2009, 10:14 PM

You're probably right. Perhaps I was thinking of another hard-to-find chunk such as greystone that there's a treasure of one.

I was short on greystones too, but I got those by going to the Flamelurker archstone, backtracking to 2-2, and attacking the 6 worms that spawn there. It took me about 45 minutes to get the 3 or 4 more chunks I needed. They tend to drop a little more frequently than the rays.

Snake2715

11-16-2009, 12:08 AM

Alright guys I am a bit behind most of the followers here but i have 1-4 left.. from things I have read its not the last boss I have a feeling

But is there anything i should do before proceeding? I have farmed some of the geckos but do I need to use any of my demon souls or colorless before I move forward?

salty tbone

11-16-2009, 12:20 AM

Alrioght guys I am a bit behind most of the followers here but i have 1-4 left.. from things I have read its not the last boss I have a feeling

But is there anything i should do before proceeding? I have farmed some of the geckos but do I need to use any of my demon souls or colorless before I move forward?

You don't need to use the colorless souls, but be sure to get them all. Especially the two from the bird's nest lady that are easy.

As far as the demon souls, I'd use the ones that have multiple uses if you're interested in getting the platinum trophy with the minimum four playthroughs.

Another consideration would be that in NG+ you can't do special upgrades until you beat Flamelurker again. During my NG+, I was regretting not being able to use colorless souls on items that would have boosted my magic that would have made Flamelurker easier to beat.

stk i wvu

11-16-2009, 12:27 AM

So my xbox rrod'd on friday in the middle of MW2 run. It was out of warranty, so I traded it to GS for $60 in credit. I was either going to get Dragon Age or DS.

I picked this game up (possibly against my better judgment haha) and have had it sitting beside my ps3 for 2 days and just reading about how to start out so that I wont tear my hair out.

I would say I am pretty decent at games and like RPGs. Some people have said that the game is not THAT hard but I dunno. I bought it used at Gamestop so I guess I will just return it if its too frustrating.

Just wondering if anyone has any tips for starting out, thanks.

Snake2715

11-16-2009, 12:37 AM

its not that hard actually. Keep coming back here and its just that much easier!

11-16-2009, 12:47 AM

I would say I am pretty decent at games and like RPGs. Some people have said that the game is not THAT hard but I dunno. I bought it used at Gamestop so I guess I will just return it if its too frustrating.

Just wondering if anyone has any tips for starting out, thanks.

It isn't that hard, but it can be challenging especially if you don't know the right strategy (and if you know all the tips and tricks parts of it can be stunningly easy ;)).

What we always tell people is to start off with the "Royalty" class. Being able to attack at range with the soul arrow spell makes the first level 100x easier than melee (I would imagine - I never tried melee on that level until my NG+ and I was level 96 then). But I know Shipwreck couldn't make it through the first boss on his advance review copy - he probably started off as a fighter class. I had little problem playing as a Royal and I'm by no means the best gamer at reflex-type games (which this is when in combat).

DarthPuma

11-16-2009, 12:53 AM

imascrub

11-16-2009, 01:31 AM

What I did was I went back through 1-1 multiple times just to grind and level my character up.
I started out as a Hunter also and used the axe for quite awhile until I started using a spear almost full time now. While you're still starting out you should just always keep your shield up and roll. Retreat if you need time to recuperate and head back in when you're ready.

i didn't read any tips or guides though so i dunno what I should have done. Not sure what a Hunter is actually supposed to be good at, but i'm whoring out my STR and END, and now I'm just starting to work on a little bit of VIT and DEX. Eventually I should start doing Magic and Luck as well I guess...

coolz481

11-16-2009, 06:40 AM

11-16-2009, 08:12 AM

Anyone have tips on the 1-4 boss? He got me with soulsucker 3 times and knocked my intelligence down to 37 from 40, causing me to lose a magic slot - so I think melee is out of the question based on my lack of skill. I have a +5 sticky bow, but I always have trouble moving out of targeting mode in time to dodge against regular enemies. Again, any suggestions are welcome!

Yes, you can cheese him in two ways apparently.

The easiest, though it takes a while, is to sneak up behind him and cast poison cloud, then slowly retreat. In the original game I think I had to do this 5 or 6 times, maybe? In NG+ I hear it take even longer. The other way, which I am going to try soon as I'm near the end of my NG+, was mentioned a few pages back. Apparently there is a spot you can use the bow on without having him attack you. I'm very hesitant to try it because I'm worried I'll screw up and he'll come after me. Where I'm at now soul levles are so hard to come by and they only so slowly increase your ability that I don't want to lose any.

I tried black phantom Satsuki out tonight with the clever rat's ring and he was much harder than in the original game. I wiped him out pretty quickly last time once I had gained a few levels, had the moon winged spear +5, and used the clever rat's ring - like I think it only took 4 or 5 hits to get him down so even if I didn't get him before he healed it was no big deal to knock him back down again. This time it took 10-15 hits to get him down, and then I kept missing his healing. I finally just gave up as there's no point to doing it again anyway. But the point is that this game definitely still keeps you on your toes even when you get to really high levels (I'm around 150 now).

I also managed to farm one more cloudstone chunk in about 12 visits to 4-3. That's enough I suppose since I now have 5 and will get 2 more in the next game - then I can finally knock out that last upgrade trophy as I'm closing in on the others. I think I'm going to do the black CT stuff soon, though I'm afraid with how tough Satsuki was that I'll have some problems with some of the Nexus characters. I guess I'll find out.

So, I have a question. If you attack someone in the Nexus and get killed, do they continue to go after you when you respawn, or is all forgotten at that point?

11-16-2009, 08:17 AM

I'm stuck in whatever the world is right after 1-1. Those fucking zombie things take forever to kill, and I'm out of health potions so I can't get through the first part of the level without dying. Any tips?

I'm a hunter. I'm using the sword like the tip said, but it doesn't help much.

You know, I've been all through this game and back to every level many, many, times and I still don't know what you are talking about here. Do you mean world 2, or the next part of 1? World 2 has the miners - is that it? I never had much trouble with them even at a low level. In fact, I would suggest to others who tried world 4 or 5 first after 1-1, to go to 2 instead. But you may simply have to do what imascrub suggested. I think I farmed a few levels off the red eye knight on 1-1 before I moved on to anything else. Once you get the thief's ring (which you should have from 1-1) you can whittle him down with arrows or soul arrow (though you probably don't have that) and then run and repeat. The thing to remember in this game is that the enemies always return to their spots if you can get far enough away (and it helps tremendously to use the thief's ring).

I would suggest putting levels into strength at first so that you can equip the winged spear and purple flame shield that you can get pretty early. In the mean time, buy a heater shield from Boldwin in the Nexus. You can get the winged spear off a corpse along the bridge in 1-2 that the dragon breathes fire on. Just run out, grab it, and let yourself get killed. You will then have pretty much one of the best weapons in the game right off the bat. The shield you can get from the dragon's roost. I waited till I killed the red dragon, but apparently you can get it the same way - by running out with good timing and getting it before he gets back. I'm still using those two (fully upgraded now of course) for 90% of my combat (the rest being arrows or spells).

So I finally had to start playing another game tonight and busted open Ratchet & Clank. The funny thing is I died a few times in that because I kept trying to roll by pushing 'O'. I also kept worrying about Ratchet's wrench breaking. I think I've been playing too much Demon's Souls ;).

jmbreci

11-16-2009, 10:21 AM

You know, I've been all through this game and back to every level many, many, times and I still don't know what you are talking about here. Do you mean world 2, or the next part of 1? World 2 has the miners - is that it? I never had much trouble with them even at a low level. In fact, I would suggest to others who tried world 4 or 5 first after 1-1, to go to 2 instead. But you may simply have to do what imascrub suggested. I think I farmed a few levels off the red eye knight on 1-1 before I moved on to anything else. Once you get the thief's ring (which you should have from 1-1) you can whittle him down with arrows or soul arrow (though you probably don't have that) and then run and repeat. The thing to remember in this game is that the enemies always return to their spots if you can get far enough away (and it helps tremendously to use the thief's ring).

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I thought that as well....about the enemies always returning to their original spot...until the dual sword black skeleton did not on 4-1 (the one before the last fog). The jerk followed me out to the ledge and I accidentally imitated a lemming after he took down 3/4 of my health in 1 swipe.

If anyone helped out a person with Flamelurker (I was around SL36) last night and got the shaft on the ratings, that was me. I feel bad...my son (3) started screaming when FL was almost dead...had to run after he was killed and got to give them a 'C' rating (1 sec left on rating when I got back)...I feel bad and apologize if it was any fellow CAG member.

So, 1-1, 1-2, 2-1, and 2-2 down and I can get to the black skele on 4-1 before the last fog (might be able to take him out). Should I do 4-1 next or something else? I think I am around SL40 now. I hated 3-1...but I made it to the keys to unlock the gate to the gate to the right off the entrance.

salty tbone

11-16-2009, 10:53 AM

Snake2715

11-16-2009, 11:29 AM

KNIVES

11-16-2009, 12:31 PM

just started playing this game this weekend..great game thou i messed up on upgrading stats i dont need right way so gonna farm the red eyes knight in 1-1 so i can atleast have the purple shield..
so for new comers to the game like others suggest upgrade strenght in the beginning is a good choice

Snake2715

11-16-2009, 01:33 PM

See I ran with a smaller shield and parry/counterstrike combo for a long while.

gunm

11-16-2009, 02:56 PM

So, I have a question. If you attack someone in the Nexus and get killed, do they continue to go after you when you respawn, or is all forgotten at that point?

They'll remain hostile until you kill them, or you start a new game.

11-16-2009, 03:30 PM

I thought that as well....about the enemies always returning to their original spot...until the dual sword black skeleton did not on 4-1 (the one before the last fog). The jerk followed me out to the ledge and I accidentally imitated a lemming after he took down 3/4 of my health in 1 swipe.

So, 1-1, 1-2, 2-1, and 2-2 down and I can get to the black skele on 4-1 before the last fog (might be able to take him out). Should I do 4-1 next or something else? I think I am around SL40 now. I hated 3-1...but I made it to the keys to unlock the gate to the gate to the right off the entrance.

Even at the level I'm at now, I still have to take him (the black skeleton before the boss) out with hit and run tactics. I stand at the top of the stairs, hit him with an arrow, and then run back down the corridor past the trap button. He never follows me out into the outer area. Make sure you have the thief's ring on or they will follow you much further. That is one of the harder bosses to get back to should you fail it (have to go all through 4-1 again and fight that stupid black skeleton again). Make sure you run immediately down all the stairs to fight him. I made the mistake of trying to take him out from above like the Tower Knight but his tongue attack will get you through the walls and you have no idea when it is coming. Get down below and circle around him. The only other level that is as much of a pain to get through again is 5-1. Fortunately most of the other levels (especially the second parts of each world) have shortcuts you can take once you clear things out.

For 3-1, I was jumping the octopus men and trying to kill them with my spear before they could cast anything on me. I was somewhat successful doing that in my first playthrough. Now I just take them out with arrows - much easier and they seem particularly susceptible to them. Just get ready to dodge their soul ray counterattack. Other than those guys, 3-1 isn't particularly hard, just lots of running around to find keys. You could try 5-1 but I found (and still find) the bigger club-wielding guys to be a serious pain. And it is much harder to run away in that level because of all the narrow walkways.

gunm

11-16-2009, 03:52 PM

I found 4-1 relatively easy--if you can get to the boss, then just go for it since he's probably the easiest in the game. I think I was about SL40 too when I did it, too. For me, the Golden Skels were more difficult since you have to fight them on the cliff and there's really no room to roll/dodge. I ended up using magic to get through that part since my attack power wasn't too good, I didn't have a mace/blunt weapon, and I just didn't want to spend a lot of time fighting them. I keep thief's ring on pretty much all the time, so for the black skels, the first one I can kill either with arrows from below the ledge he's on, or just bait him into the long corridor and backstab him when he gives up and walks back. The second one, I just lure him into the courtyard so I have more room to dodge/roll. The third I can kill w/flame toss, but there's enough room to melee if you want to just turpentine your weapon and have at it.

Right now, I'm just farming the easy reaper in 4-2. Rescued Urbain, but I don't feel like seeing the entire level through just yet as I'd like to have a bit more attack power/vitality to get through it. I might try finishing 2-2 first as I'd like to get better weapon upgrades, then maybe try 3-1 to at least rescue Freke.

salty tbone

11-16-2009, 04:24 PM

You could try 5-1 but I found (and still find) the bigger club-wielding guys to be a serious pain. And it is much harder to run away in that level because of all the narrow walkways.

IMO, those giant dudes are the toughest regular enemies in the game because of their speed and range. In 5-1 you can't really roll because you're on walkways and on 5-2 the swamp slows you even more. On 5-2 at least you can sneak by them, but on 5-1 it's just tedious.

11-16-2009, 04:59 PM

I found 4-1 relatively easy--if you can get to the boss, then just go for it since he's probably the easiest in the game.

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Right now, I'm just farming the easy reaper in 4-2. Rescued Urbain, but I don't feel like seeing the entire level through just yet as I'd like to have a bit more attack power/vitality to get through it. I might try finishing 2-2 first as I'd like to get better weapon upgrades, then maybe try 3-1 to at least rescue Freke.

Really? I rank him as one of the tougher ones. Sure, if you know how to do it, it isn't that hard. But you still have to be really on your toes to take him out. It is hard to get in front and hit that spot and I got killed in my last game because when he got back up after he fell the first time he was back against the wall and I couldn't run behind him any more. That made it a pain, because if you then back away you can get out of range of his cleaver but then he does the tongue attack again.

But there are many easier bosses than that. The 4-3 one has to be the easiest in the game. And 2-3 is pretty easy too. And I guess 5-3 is super-easy if you take the coward's path ;) (though even fighting Garl I didn't find too hard in NG+ as opposed to, say, Black Phantom Satsuki). Oh, and 5-1 isn't too hard if you have enough power in your bow to take him out from up high (which I couldn't at first but then went nuts levelling my dexterity and had no problem). I would also rate 1-2, 1-3, 3-1, 2-1, 3-3, 4-2, and 5-2 as easier than the Adjuticator. And 1-4 is easier if you just use poison cloud.

The toughest, for me, was probably 2-2 because I couldn't get him stuck on the bones like everyone else. However, when I went up the stairs and attacked him it was pretty easy. I had a little trouble with 3-1 and 4-2 in the NG+ that I didn't have originally but neither was that hard. And I hear a lot of talk about 1-3 being hard, but in my NG+ he was even easier than the first game. This time I went after him a little more agressively with soul ray and while Biorr distracted him I took him out pretty quickly. I even kept Biorr alive which I almost didn't do the first time while I stayed far away firing arrows because I got closer and pulled him away a few times so Biorr could recover.

I would definitely recommend you wait on 4-2. Though once you go through it a few times it isn't all that hard. Here's a little tip - instead of trying to take out the third reaper (who is right around a corner and can't be hit with arrows like the other 2) just run past him. I was blowing through all my spices trying to to God's wrath on him but then I read this tip somewhere and it worked like a charm. You just run past and roll down the stairs so his death ray doesn't hit you. Then take him out with arrows from below.

But yeah, finish off 2-2 even though it is one of the tougher bosses. Then you can do all of 3-1 - it isn't that hard. Just shoot the octopus men with arrows and hide right after each shot. It should only take 2 shots I would think. Once you clear them out the level isn't that hard - just beware of the black phantom before the boss and also make sure to take out the follower up above the boss before going in or you can't win (get to him by going up one of the towers). He's by the key you need to rescue Freke so if you do that first then you are set for the boss (and he doesn't respawn so once you get him that's it).

gunm

11-16-2009, 05:07 PM

11-16-2009, 05:19 PM

Sweet, that's good news then (although I could've swore 1-3 penetrator was kind of tough?)! For 4-1, I ran down the stairs once I entered the room, but ended up falling off the ledge in my zeal, lol. The first thing I thought was, oh shit, I'm gonna die from falling without even doing anything, but luckily I hardly took any damage. From there it was just about staying close to him and running under his swing after hitting his weak spot. I did have to be careful not to get stuck in a spot near the fog where there's a piece of debris, but beyond that, I didn't get hit at all. I ended up having a harder time against the Golden skels. :p

Yeah, see, I got stuck on that debris once and killed. Then in my NG+ both times I fought him he got back up against the wall which meant I couldn't run behind him any more. The first time threw me off and he killed me with his tongue attack I think. The second time I was prepared for that and handled it.

I've heard people say Penetrator is tough, but I had little problem with him. In my original game I was super cautious because of all I had heard and Biorr pretty much took care of him by himself. I hit him with a few arrows from far away and Biorr was down to a sliver of health when I finally won. On the NG+ I went after him with soul ray and that did a lot of damage. Biorr and I took turns distracting him (I just rolled when he came after me and he didn't touch me once). That helped Biorr out a lot and he barely got hurt the second time. Of course, rescuing Biorr is critical then in making that fight easier. It would be a lot harder if you had to face him yourself I guess. In case you don't know, Biorr is in a cell way back at the beginning of 1-3 (probably he's actually in 1-2) near the blue-eye knights (there is a locked door that leads to the cells) but you need to go almost all the way through to get the key first. And DO NOT attempt 1-3 if your world tendency is even slightly below neutral - I found that out the hard way. Fortunately the online part resetting the WT helped me in this case as it brought it back to neutral which makes that level 100x easier to get through.

Another question for the vets. The guide says you can kill the black phantom NPC's "easily" with soulsucker. How, exactly? There isn't one I can think of that you can sneak up on with ease (maybe Selen in the swamp, though you'd have to go way around to sneak up on her and deal with the constant poisoning). I tried it as a last ditch attempt against Satsuki while we were locked in melee combat but of course he killed me before I could get the spell off.

gunm

11-16-2009, 05:35 PM

IIRC Soulsucker is primarily a stealth spell, so I'd think it would be difficult to use in combat due to the casting time and range. Does having the graverobber and/or thief's ring on in soul form help with sneaking up on them?

Edit: also, for Adjudicator, I think just staying under his swing is enough. There were a couple times I couldn't run completely around him, so I just stayed close and made sure I had room to run/roll under his swing.

11-16-2009, 06:33 PM

IIRC Soulsucker is primarily a stealth spell, so I'd think it would be difficult to use in combat due to the casting time and range. Does having the graverobber and/or thief's ring on in soul form help with sneaking up on them?

If the enemy is facing the other way either one will work. I use thief's ring on normal enemies and graverobber on black phantoms of course. But I still don't see how you can "easily" use it on the black phantom NPC's like the guide says. I wonder if you can sneak up on Satsuki from the back side (by backtracking all the way from the 4-2 archstone back to the beginning of 4-1)? I was thinking about that last night but it was late and I just wanted to get the primevil demon and be done with that world (so it isn't pure black any more now). But I see no way of sneaking behind Miralda, Scirvir, or Rydell for sure. Maybe you can sneak behind Satsuki and Selen. Though in both cases it takes so long to get there I wouldn't want to do all that only to find out they detect you when sneaking up.

And also, it seems like you could use it on the False King (1-4) but I certainly don't want to try that unless someone else can confirm it as I'd imagine he will hit you right back with it if it doesn't work. But I know I could sneak up pretty close behind him to apply poison cloud without having him ever turn around.

By far the easiest place to do it and get a decent amount of souls (plus some fresh spice/old spice which are in short supply otherwise) are the black phantom octopus men at the end of 3-3. You just start off at the 3-4 archstone and exit the Old Monk's room and the first one is right there. Get him, go down a bit and kill the two regular enemies and then get the other one. It takes about a minute and if you screw up on them it isn't so bad because they take a while to get their spell going so even if they detect you, you can get it off before they attack (you have to get really close for soulsucker and if you go just a hair closer they detect you and turn around and attack).