Demon's Souls - Atlus & From Software's Action RPG - October 6

[IRHari]

Satsuki is so fucking deadly no matter what level you are (like I said, he 2-shotted me) that I would not risk trying to sneak up on him and soulsuck him. His detection range, even with thiefs ring, is incredible.

[crystalklear64]

I'm stuck in whatever the world is right after 1-1. Those fucking zombie things take forever to kill, and I'm out of health potions so I can't get through the first part of the level without dying. Any tips?

I'm a hunter. I'm using the sword like the tip said, but it doesn't help much.
Use a dagger, spear, or rapier. Alternatively, use a shield for parrying. Go for backstabs.

The enemies in this level are are:
Slow
Easy to Sneak Up On
Weak to Piercing Damage
Easy to Parry

I usually end up clearing the level with the Mail Breaker with relative ease. It is very easy to parry the punches, the trick with parrying is to do it at the moment you should be getting hit, not before. The other good thing about dagger, spear, or rapier, is that you can attack while blocking (maybe not the rapier but spear and dagger for sure), so if you can't get the timing of the punches down, simply tank them on your shield and attack at the same time.

As for the ones with the pickaxes, it is very easy to bait them. Walk just outside of their attack range. If they do an overhead swing, run around behind them for a free backstab. If they do a sweeping horizontal swing, stay back a bit, they can do a 3 hit combo. They will also occasionally do a jump attack that can look like the start of the overhead swing, so be ready to roll in all cases.

[salty tbone]

I wonder if you can sneak up on Satsuki from the back side (by backtracking all the way from the 4-2 archstone back to the beginning of 4-1)? I was thinking about that last night but it was late and I just wanted to get the primevil demon and be done with that world (so it isn't pure black any more now). But I see no way of sneaking behind Miralda, Scirvir, or Rydell for sure. Maybe you can sneak behind Satsuki and Selen. Though in both cases it takes so long to get there I wouldn't want to do all that only to find out they detect you when sneaking up.


I was able to do it in my NG+ on Satsuki. Backtracking wasn't hard since every skeleton had his back turned to me. Just be sure you have the graverobber and thief rings both equipped so BP skeletons don't jump on you.

I tried sniping Satsuki from the Dual Katana Skeleton ridge, but that didn't work out because he started running around like a crazy person. Once he finally stopped, I snuck up and used the soulsucker.

[IRHari]

I thought if you soulsuck a BP NPC or knock them off the edge your CT doesn't go up. If theres no CT change, I can't imagine any reason to kill them in the first place.

[io]

I thought if you soulsuck a BP NPC or knock them off the edge your CT doesn't go up. If theres no CT change, I can't imagine any reason to kill them in the first place.

I've already done the CT stuff so I just wanted to do it for the hell of it (plus I thought it might be a bunch of souls). I had actually read that it lowers your CT to use soulsucker on them and I need to do that now so I thought that also might be an added bonus. I wanted to kill regular Miralda for that too but she wasn't there when I went back (damn WT reverting down from pure to just less than pure because of being online :bomb:).

Damn, salty, I should have thought of all of them having their backs to you - I should have done it last night. It's too late now unless I lower the WT again since I killed the primevil demon. Oh well, maybe in NG++ I'll give it a shot.

So I have like 10 colorless demon's souls now. I've killed 7 primevil demons total and gotten drops from 6 of them - not bad. I'm thinking I might level up Istarelle so I can use it in the stupid swamp in 4-2 in my NG++. Also, if you level up the Kris blade does it enhance magic even more? That might be useful, though I found myself with very limited usage for it (as usually I want my shield up when I'm attacking with magic).

[gunm]

Yeah, it's not clear to me if upgrading something like Kris blade ups magic melee dmg or both melee and ranged/spell attack. I'm pretty sure it's the latter.

[salty tbone]

I thought if you soulsuck a BP NPC or knock them off the edge your CT doesn't go up. If theres no CT change, I can't imagine any reason to kill them in the first place.

I needed to kill him to get the WT up to pure white to get that sword. Using soulsuck still got me the boost. I had been playing with PBCT, so no CT change meant no innocent had to lose their life to push it back to PB. :)

[eau]

Are you folks mailing the replacement guide request with some form of tracking? We might get shafted if USPS mis-sent our package (a possibility during the holiday season), leaving us with a torn guide in the CE case.

I don't think you can use delivery confirmation in a letter, right?

[gunm]

No, you can delivery conf any envelope/package. You just have to pay for it.

[io]

No, technically it has to be some specific thickness before they will DC it - so you can't do that with a letter, or even a thin folder type mailer. I think you can pay up for the signature confirmation, though, on those - or possibly send them certified. If you put it in a bubble mailer, though, you can probably get DC.

[gunm]

No, technically it has to be some specific thickness before they will DC it - so you can't do that with a letter, or even a thin folder type mailer. I think you can pay up for the signature confirmation, though, on those - or possibly send them certified. If you put it in a bubble mailer, though, you can probably get DC.


Oops, you can get Delivery Conf w/Priority Mail, which includes flat mailers.

I stick w/Priority 'cause of my location and figured it applied to everything, but I guess it doesn't. >_<

[io]

Yeah, cheapest option, though, is to go with a bubble mailer + DC. You can even pad the mailer a bit with tissue paper or something so they don't get on your case about the DC. I'll just be printing mine off via Paypal if I go that route. However, I will probably just stick with cheap-ass mail and not even bother with the DC. It is highly unlikely the PO will lose it and even if they do I'm sure you could plead your case with Atlus.

And by the way, last night was the first night in a long time when I didn't play any Demon's Souls. I've moved on to R&C. I just need to make sure I get it finished up, though, being that I am so close to getting that platinum. I "temporarily" stopped playing Oblivion a few months ago after putting about 80 hours in and I've never gone back to it. I don't want that to happen here. Fortunately I've got my son bugging me to see the black CT stuff, so he'll keep on me about it till I do it ;).

[stk i wvu]

so i am a royal and finished 1-1 and 1-2 and died once.... i think i have been playing REALLY conservatively though

two questions though...
1- what is a good order to tackle the different levels (i.e. finish 1-X or start 2-1, 3-1 etc)?
2- i like magic a lot so far (always like being a mage in RPGs)... will i be screwed later on if there are enemies that dont get affected by magic? and what categories should i be leveling up while its still cheap to do so? thanks

[gunm]

There's no right or wrong way to level. For royal, most people want to continue to pump their Magic/Int stats at least for the first playthrough. I personally wanted to use certain weapons and armor asap, so I pumped up STR to 22 (for Purple Flame Shield) and got my dex up to 16 since I like having a bow (better range than magic).

For me, I did 1-1, 1-2, 4-1, and 2-1 so far and it's been fine. The next ones I plan to do are 2-2 and 3-1. From there I'll probably be less concerned about the order.

[jmbreci]

Farm 4-1 skeles for some levels. I am doing 4-2 (though I need the 20k souls for the evac miracle to do it properly) for a few levels/souls now that I have 4-1 done, but you should be able to level quite a bit by just farming 4-1. STR to 22 is important. Then decide what you want to do. Dex helps with bows...there are a couple of nice miracles and Faith of 16 gets you 2 slots. I think INT of 14 or 15 gets you 2 spell slots.

[Snake2715]

I found 4-1 relatively easy--if you can get to the boss, then just go for it since he's probably the easiest in the game. I think I was about SL40 too when I did it, too. For me, the Golden Skels were more difficult since you have to fight them on the cliff and there's really no room to roll/dodge. I ended up using magic to get through that part since my attack power wasn't too good, I didn't have a mace/blunt weapon, and I just didn't want to spend a lot of time fighting them. I keep thief's ring on pretty much all the time, so for the black skels, the first one I can kill either with arrows from below the ledge he's on, or just bait him into the long corridor and backstab him when he gives up and walks back. The second one, I just lure him into the courtyard so I have more room to dodge/roll. The third I can kill w/flame toss, but there's enough room to melee if you want to just turpentine your weapon and have at it.

Right now, I'm just farming the easy reaper in 4-2. Rescued Urbain, but I don't feel like seeing the entire level through just yet as I'd like to have a bit more attack power/vitality to get through it. I might try finishing 2-2 first as I'd like to get better weapon upgrades, then maybe try 3-1 to at least rescue Freke.

When I do NG+ world 4 is probably the first I will take out.

You know a good sercret to 4-2 after the first reaper.

walk out the door to the edge of the block floor... just before you drop to the clif side. You can see the two skeletons and the archer.

Shoot the middle skeleton with a bow... he rolls right off the edge and dies. I can 2 shot the other archer, and if you can hit him successfully in sequence he can never return fire.. if he does side step and go back to hitting him. Dont forget to zoom with the bow.

The last guy you can hit once with a bow... then get out of bow mode and back all the way behind the flag pole or whatever is right there... stay on the brick.. that skeleton rolls right up to you and off the edge... you never have to fight any of those 3.


Then for the goldies I can hit them 3-4 times with my bow and drop them, but what I did to this point is hit them and wait for them to turn around and hit them again. You can do this and slowly back up the cliff and hit them again. They cant walk up the small step to get to the brick walkway so if it takes you that long to drop them you can work them up the step... again no risk situation.


Guys on the 5-1 giant trolls just a side step.. they cant turn fast.. you can smack them from the back very easy.

[stk i wvu]

so does the evac miracle let you keep all the souls you got and transport you back to the nexus?

[happy]

so does the evac miracle let you keep all the souls you got and transport you back to the nexus?

Yes - it's nice to have around

[Snake2715]

indeed it is.. I have evac almost always in my que. I find myself using it less now but it was worth the dough for sure.

[gunm]

Farm 4-1 skeles for some levels. I am doing 4-2 (though I need the 20k souls for the evac miracle to do it properly) for a few levels/souls now that I have 4-1 done, but you should be able to level quite a bit by just farming 4-1. STR to 22 is important. Then decide what you want to do. Dex helps with bows...there are a couple of nice miracles and Faith of 16 gets you 2 slots. I think INT of 14 or 15 gets you 2 spell slots.


Right after 1-1, 4-1 will be pretty difficult w/o a high hit res shield. You can dodge/roll some parts, but in the enclosed spaces, the skels' roll is tough to avoid. I'd suggest doing 1-2 first since Royals can easily take out the Tower Knight from the archer positions without ever having to go near him. That opens up 1-2 Archstone where you can farm the two blue knights and archers for a while to level up.

1-2 can seem challenging at first due to the red dragon, but you should be able to time your sprints in between the towers if you just want to get to the boss and rescue Ostrava later. Plus running the top of the bridge nets you short bow in the second tower which you can use to take out the dragon from the first tower later on.

As for Evac, I haven't needed it yet since I only recently made SL58. As you get higher in SL, it becomes more of a concern to have. I'd suggest waiting until you can farm the 4-2 reaper before blowing souls on Evac as by then getting to 20K souls will be relatively quick.

[ChibiJosh]

Everyone voted for this for best RPG of the year for the Spike Video Game Awards.

http://www.spike.com/event/vga2009/page/vote/category/34727

[io]

When I do NG+ world 4 is probably the first I will take out.

You know a good sercret to 4-2 after the first reaper.

walk out the door to the edge of the block floor... just before you drop to the clif side. You can see the two skeletons and the archer.

Shoot the middle skeleton with a bow... he rolls right off the edge and dies. I can 2 shot the other archer, and if you can hit him successfully in sequence he can never return fire.. if he does side step and go back to hitting him. Dont forget to zoom with the bow.

The last guy you can hit once with a bow... then get out of bow mode and back all the way behind the flag pole or whatever is right there... stay on the brick.. that skeleton rolls right up to you and off the edge... you never have to fight any of those 3.


Then for the goldies I can hit them 3-4 times with my bow and drop them, but what I did to this point is hit them and wait for them to turn around and hit them again. You can do this and slowly back up the cliff and hit them again. They cant walk up the small step to get to the brick walkway so if it takes you that long to drop them you can work them up the step... again no risk situation.


Guys on the 5-1 giant trolls just a side step.. they cant turn fast.. you can smack them from the back very easy.

Well, you covered the easy part ;). Here's the rest: when you go in to the next inside part rush the first shadow and kill him as quickly as possible. His ray may take you out but if you get close he will try to melee. Then turn around from a spot about halfway down the stairs and you will just barely see the reaper in between two pillars. Try to take him out with a bow. It usually takes at least 2 shots and you can get 2 off before he moves. If you miss back up and watch for another shadow to show up and take him out. The reaper will be back to his spot. Go all the way down to where you killed the reaper and run in circles with your shield up. There is an invisible assassin waiting for you (you will hear his footsteps). He will backstab you if you don't move around. Once he shows up take care of him. Then go all the way down the stairs and just before you go outside there will be TWO of the assassins. If you go outside they won't bother you - but if you go for the two treasures off to the right they will attack.

Then, after following along the cliff you will come to a third inside part. Take out the first shadow with arrows (this one won't shoot rays at you) and then RUN up the stairs and RIGHT PAST the 3rd reaper and down the stairs, rolling all the way down. The thrid reaper shoots a death spell at you and it should miss if you are rolling. Once down, turn around and shoot him safely with arrows.

As for the club guys in 5-1, the only problem with side stepping is that you are usually fighting them in enclosed spaces or on ledges and that can often be deadly.

Farm 4-1 skeles for some levels. I am doing 4-2 (though I need the 20k souls for the evac miracle to do it properly) for a few levels/souls now that I have 4-1 done, but you should be able to level quite a bit by just farming 4-1. STR to 22 is important. Then decide what you want to do. Dex helps with bows...there are a couple of nice miracles and Faith of 16 gets you 2 slots. I think INT of 14 or 15 gets you 2 spell slots.

Yep, follow the strength and dexterity tips here because expecially as a magic-user you will want to be able to wield the purple flame shield + winged spear combo, and use a bow. The magic runs out quickly and spices (the things that replenish magic) are hard to come by. And waiting for the fragrant ring to replenish it wastes a ton of time, especially later.

indeed it is.. I have evac almost always in my que. I find myself using it less now but it was worth the dough for sure.

So I have a question, does evac work during boss fights? I've never tried it but after I try the arrow trick with the False King I'd like to have evac as a backup in case he rushes me!

[Snake2715]

Well, you covered the easy part ;).

Then, after following along the cliff you will come to a third inside part. Take out the first shadow with arrows (this one won't shoot rays at you) and then RUN up the stairs and RIGHT PAST the 3rd reaper and down the stairs, rolling all the way down. The thrid reaper shoots a death spell at you and it should miss if you are rolling. Once down, turn around and shoot him safely with arrows.



You forgot one thing here.. once you go past the two assasins that are invisible and go out the door.... do a 180 and go back to where the first assasin was... walk up the steps 2-3 steps and look off to the side... there is the 3rd reaper and its shadow..!!


Also for the first shadow i dont rush him i hit him wiht 3 bow shots before he walks up the stairs... his angle on the stairs guarantees his ray wont hit you, as long as you stand at the entrance to that area.







So I have a question, does evac work during boss fights? I've never tried it but after I try the arrow trick with the False King I'd like to have evac as a backup in case he rushes me!


excellent question... I would like to have that for this fight as well.... hmm. Hopefully someone knows.

Also I have a question does resurrection change WT when you do it to blue phantoms? I am deciding where to use my boss souls

[Jodou]

So I have a question, does evac work during boss fights? I've never tried it but after I try the arrow trick with the False King I'd like to have evac as a backup in case he rushes me!
Yes, evacuation works during boss fights.

[stk i wvu]

Yes, evacuation works during boss fights.

wow that might make that miracle one of most crucial things to have

[Snake2715]

/\ or just dont go in loaded to the gill with souls... you may pull off a last minute kill. Although sometimes you just know whats going to happen! Other times you may not have the time needed to cast this.

[Saint Noir]

Everyone voted for this for best RPG of the year for the Spike Video Game Awards.

http://www.spike.com/event/vga2009/page/vote/category/34727

Done. Kinda lame to see Borderlands in there. I know it is a sorta RPG, but still.

[hoogax]

Well, you covered the easy part ;). Here's the rest: when you go in to the next inside part rush the first shadow and kill him as quickly as possible. His ray may take you out but if you get close he will try to melee. Then turn around from a spot about halfway down the stairs and you will just barely see the reaper in between two pillars. Try to take him out with a bow. It usually takes at least 2 shots and you can get 2 off before he moves. If you miss back up and watch for another shadow to show up and take him out. The reaper will be back to his spot. Go all the way down to where you killed the reaper and run in circles with your shield up. There is an invisible assassin waiting for you (you will hear his footsteps). He will backstab you if you don't move around. Once he shows up take care of him. Then go all the way down the stairs and just before you go outside there will be TWO of the assassins. If you go outside they won't bother you - but if you go for the two treasures off to the right they will attack.


Ah thanks for this part. I've tried this part twice with no luck. I keep getting to the 2nd reaper spot and would kill the first shadow. Then I assume I was at the spot I'm supposed to see the reaper from because there was a player comment saying "sniper spot" or something but as I look for the damn reaper the shadow re-spawns killed me with his ray the first time and the second time I accidently rolled off the stairs to my death.

[Saint Noir]

Ah thanks for this part. I've tried this part twice with no luck. I keep getting to the 2nd reaper spot and would kill the first shadow. Then I assume I was at the spot I'm supposed to see the reaper from because there was a player comment saying "sniper spot" or something but as I look for the damn reaper the shadow re-spawns killed me with his ray the first time and the second time I accidently rolled off the stairs to my death.

I kill two shadows and then rush that second reaper. One or two swipes and it falls to its death.

If you go outside the door (after the invisible assassins) and then back inside up the stairs you can snipe the 3rd reaper no problem. Dunno if this has all been covered... was away from the computer for about a week. :)

[Snake2715]

dang Saint.... look 6 posts up or so, I covered it..

level 4-2 is so great.

[io]

I kill two shadows and then rush that second reaper. One or two swipes and it falls to its death.

If you go outside the door (after the invisible assassins) and then back inside up the stairs you can snipe the 3rd reaper no problem. Dunno if this has all been covered... was away from the computer for about a week. :)

This I didn't know (till Snake posted it) but it seems just as easy to rush past the third one and then take him out from below.

But why do you have to go outside past the two assassins and then back in again? Can't you get him before you go outside, or does going outside trigger something that makes him show up or move?

I just never thought to try that because I thought the third reaper was in a completely different, unconnected, section (and he seems so well hidden I thought they made it impossible to snipe him on purpose). Plus, well, neither the guide nor the online FAQ mention this :bomb:.

[Saint Noir]

dang Saint.... look 6 posts up or so, I covered it..
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You move coast to coast and see how your brain is! I still am jumbled from the drive alone.. :lol: Sorry!

But yeah... the way mentioned by Snake is the way to go for sure.

[Snake2715]

I was coming in to edit my post, I may not be the only or first to even post that idea in this thread... I realized it when i noticed the shadow over there... I shot at him forever and he never died... then when I went out the door and had to back track I noticed the reaper.... Then I realized the door must be when the reaper comes active. This was pretty early on for me so I am glad I caught it, it helped on that level greatly.


I have written sniper spot in the area before, but most people probably think I am crazy as he is not there yet and the shadow wont die unless you go out and back in.

[Droenixjpn]

Bumpan the thread, and I'm probably going to get this for Christmas. Hopefully I'm not to late to the party. :D

I'm not going to do a lot of research on this game until I get it.

[Redeema]

Don't worry. I didn't either. I just started this the other day and it's one of the hardest games I've ever played. If there was a way to keep the camera locked on it would be much easier. Makes me appreciate the Zelda games that much more. Timing is key and be prepared for a frustrating experience. I'm still working my way through the first area. The game is unforgiving and harder than, 'I just saw Megan Fox naked in front of me' wood. I'm looking for advice, but most of the beginner stuff goes back quite a few pages. I'll have to go back and look at it myself.

[Saint Noir]

if there was a way to keep the camera locked on it would be much easier.

r3?

EDIT - Advice... Use royal to start for an easier start. Parry/counter. Keep your shield up. Keep a very measured pace. Try to lure enemies out one at a time to not get swarmed.

[jmbreci]

Don't worry. I didn't either. I just started this the other day and it's one of the hardest games I've ever played. If there was a way to keep the camera locked on it would be much easier. Makes me appreciate the Zelda games that much more. Timing is key and be prepared for a frustrating experience. I'm still working my way through the first area. The game is unforgiving and harder than, 'I just saw Megan Fox naked in front of me' wood. I'm looking for advice, but most of the beginner stuff goes back quite a few pages. I'll have to go back and look at it myself.


Start as Royalty....it will make the first level infinitely easier to finish. Dying is a big part of the game....it is a cruel learning process.

The False Idol on 3-1 has to be the easiest of the bosses I've finished yet...although I hear 4-2 is easy as well, but I have not made it there yet. Finished 1-1, 1-2, 2-1, 2-2, 3-1, and 4-1. Was stupid and upgraded my +6 spear without enough moonstones to get higher than +1...the meat cleaver assisted a little, but I upgraded the Cresent Falchion to +4 and that started kicking major rear....I really miss being able to block and attack though...time to farm 3-1 and 3-2.

[io]

r3?

EDIT - Advice... Use royal to start for an easier start. Parry/counter. Keep your shield up. Keep a very measured pace. Try to lure enemies out one at a time to not get swarmed.

I'm near the end of my NG+ and I've never once parried. I just couldn't get the hang of it - every time I tried I would get slaughtered when I missed the parry. So I just went to block/attack with the spear - much easier. I think by parry/counterattack you mean when the enemy attacks you push L2 with the shield on the left hand, right? Anyway, just a tip for those starting out that it is by no means necessary to know how to do that.

Start as Royalty....it will make the first level infinitely easier to finish. Dying is a big part of the game....it is a cruel learning process.

The False Idol on 3-1 has to be the easiest of the bosses I've finished yet...although I hear 4-2 is easy as well, but I have not made it there yet. Finished 1-1, 1-2, 2-1, 2-2, 3-1, and 4-1. Was stupid and upgraded my +6 spear without enough moonstones to get higher than +1...the meat cleaver assisted a little, but I upgraded the Cresent Falchion to +4 and that started kicking major rear....I really miss being able to block and attack though...time to farm 3-1 and 3-2.

Royalty, yes... I only died a few times when I first started out.

3-1 was pretty easy in original game but much harder in NG+ because it seems she made so many more copies and you can't always hide from them (some are in front, some behind even if you hide behind the pillars). Still not too tough, but I had to be much more careful. The black phantom leading up to her, though, was easy as cake on NG+ and I was prepared for her to be much tougher.

4-2 is somewhat easy, but can be a bit tricky if you don't time your runs from the front to the back very well. The essiest boss in the game is the one on 4-3, though - and it is even easier in NG+ because you already have the sword you need to grab from way out on the cliffs (which is the only slightly hard part of the level).

I've stopped playing for now but I need to get back in before I forget how to play effectively. I still need to do the black CT events and then finish my 2nd playthrough (just 1-4 dragon and boss left to do) and then move on to NG++. I need to blow through that and get all my spells, then start NG+++ and get the last few special weapons forged, and I should have a platinum. It will be interesting to see how quickly I can blow through my NG++ when I don't have to do any additional stuff. The problem is, I always have a hard time passing up crystal geckos and like to get to all of them and farm them - not to mention the primevil demons.

A tip for late game on the first playthrough: I would suggest you take on black phantom Satsuki in the original game because even though I am leveled up way beyond what I was when I first fought him, he seems to be much more powerful in NG+ - more so than any of the bosses. I haven't fought any other BF NPC's except Miralda (who I cheesed with poison cloud again) so I'm not sure if they all get tougher like that.

[erehwon]

I'm going pretty slow with this game. I just got to 1-2. The problem I'm having is that the game doesn't really grab me and make me yearn to play more. The story is usually my main drive in a game.

[SynGamer]

Just voted. I really wanted to vote for Dragon Age: Origins, but I voted for Demon's Souls simply because I want to support the smaller games/studios.

[Saint Noir]

I still need to do the black CT eventst.

I have a foe's ring (all rings) if you want to hold any. I am in my ++ now to get some spells.

Anyone have a blueblood or insanity catalyst yet I could hold? Sorry for the redundancy! Not really wanting to run into a +++ :lol:

[happy]

I just beat my first playthrough... Needed to summon three phantoms to kill the boss of 1-4 (the only time I got help)

I started the NG+ instantly got invaded by a guy who I could take pretty easily except he kept healing so I summoned a blue phantom who showed up to get a final blow. Since it was pure white I decided to go for Miralda (I only fought her as a phantom the last time). Anyway, in the meantime another BP shows up and gets to me right as I'm fighting her. I tried to quit the game before my death, but I don't know if I could (I'll see tomorrow). The worst part is I probably should have just suicided in the nexus and kept the white tendency to go through dragonless...

My real fear is that the BP killed the guy I need to save and I will go through another playthrough without being able to get to old king doran...

[Jodou]

My real fear is that the BP killed the guy I need to save and I will go through another playthrough without being able to get to old king doran...
Phantoms can't interact with your friendly NPCs; they show up as white phantoms to them.

[io]

I have a foe's ring (all rings) if you want to hold any. I am in my ++ now to get some spells.

Anyone have a blueblood or insanity catalyst yet I could hold? Sorry for the redundancy! Not really wanting to run into a +++ :lol:

What level are you at? I forget exactly where I am but it is around 140-150 now.
If we can match up (within 25 levels) I'd love to borrow that there ring ;). Let me know soon as otherwise I'm going to do the black CT stuff next as I want to do it at the end of this playthrough so I can finish it off and start anew with the NPC's back again.

I won't have those two weapons until my 4th playtrhough but if we are still in contact then (in terms of levels) you would be more than welcome to borrow them.

[Saint Noir]

What level are you at? I forget exactly where I am but it is around 140-150 now.
If we can match up (within 25 levels) I'd love to borrow that there ring ;). Let me know soon as otherwise I'm going to do the black CT stuff next as I want to do it at the end of this playthrough so I can finish it off and start anew with the NPC's back again.

I won't have those two weapons until my 4th playtrhough but if we are still in contact then (in terms of levels) you would be more than welcome to borrow them.

I think I am close to there... I actually don't know for sure. But I would say I am 135-145. In that range.

[happy]

Phantoms can't interact with your friendly NPCs; they show up as white phantoms to them.

Well that's a relief, now I just need to decide if it's worth trying to save him or not (the pure clearstone is tempting)

[Snake2715]

wow guys I have been a bit distracted with MW2...
I need to finish this however.

I wonder in 2-3 years how many blue phantoms you will even run into..

Kind of a bummer really..

[Saint Noir]

Just got done rolling through 1-2 with io. Fun stuff. Took down the dragon, big thanks for that. I pull out my sweet bow only to discover 0 arrows. I hate shooting it with magic. Had to anyways. Went right on through to the boss. No problems.

I am just now learning how to play with a spear. It is very different (love all the styles in the game).

Hope that ring and shield helped!

[gunm]

It was a little tricky playing board and poke at first for me, especially w/the rapier.

[io]

Just got done rolling through 1-2 with io. Fun stuff. Took down the dragon, big thanks for that. I pull out my sweet bow only to discover 0 arrows. I hate shooting it with magic. Had to anyways. Went right on through to the boss. No problems.

I am just now learning how to play with a spear. It is very different (love all the styles in the game).

Hope that ring and shield helped!

Ah, I was wondering why you were chucking soul arrows at it ;).

But yeah, it was helpful - got 2 more trophies!

I went on to do 1-4 in my NG+ and got to the blue dragon and realized I didn't have enough arrows to shoot him from afar (and I even bought more when I went back from your game). I got him down to a tiny bit and then decided to run for it. After a couple of screwups and being saved by my second chance spell I made it up there with little problem. If you just run along the right side (but don't get hung up on that statue - d'oh!) then you can make it easily. The problem is that I was out of arrows and nearly out of magic. I used all my spices and tried hitting him with soul arrow and got killed TWO more times (brought back by second chance each time) because, apparently, soul arrow makes you step forward. Soul ray, on the other hand, makes you go back so use that one there! Still, I have a very hard time telling if I hit him or not as his health bar shows up whether I fire or not. I am now downstairs while my magic regenerates with the fragrant ring. Then hopefully when I go back up I can finish him off (and pray that the server connection didn't reset). I really want Biorr's loot and it is sitting there in the flames right now!

Yep, like 3 more soul rays and he was toast... But then I had to go farm the black phantom octopus men at the end of world 3 to get some more spices back (and gained another level in the process - right around 150 now).

[salty tbone]

But then I had to go farm the black phantom octopus men at the end of world 3 to get some more spices back (and gained another level in the process - right around 150 now).

You probably already knew this, but you can buy both kinds of spice from the Formal Royal's Wife in 3-1. Guess it's the true CAG way to farm, though, and that's certainly a great place to do it.

[io]

You probably already knew this, but you can buy both kinds of spice from the Formal Royal's Wife in 3-1. Guess it's the true CAG way to farm, though, and that's certainly a great place to do it.

Well, yeah, 4 or 5 runs in, which only take a minute or two, and I get a bunch of spices plus another character level. It would take almost that long just to get to the FRW - though you'd probably get spices from the regular octopus men on the way. I actually didn't know she was the one who sold them, but I knew someone did. I may go there later to buy more as I'm always low on those (whereas the healing herbs I have 99 of nearly all of them with Thomas and full stock of a few on my charactter - I often can't pick up any more of them!).

[coolz481]

I went on to do 1-4 in my NG+ and got to the blue dragon and realized I didn't have enough arrows to shoot him from afar (and I even bought more when I went back from your game). I got him down to a tiny bit and then decided to run for it. After a couple of screwups and being saved by my second chance spell I made it up there with little problem. If you just run along the right side (but don't get hung up on that statue - d'oh!) then you can make it easily.


Io, quick question: did you run along the right until you found the 'safe spot' talked about in the guide or did you run along the right and then get underneath the blue dragon, attacking from the doorway?
On my first playthough, I somehow got through running up the left and then just shot him with soul ray from behind. On NG+ though, I keep getting wiped out before I get all the way up the stairs. I've blown through NG+ without any difficulties until now at level 130, but I got frustrated after getting burnt to a crisp 6 times in a row trying to find this safe spot along the right.

[Jodou]

You guys really should invest in being able to use the purple or brushwood shield. Makes getting past the 1-4 dragon a breeze.

[happy]

You guys really should invest in being able to use the purple or brushwood shield. Makes getting past the 1-4 dragon a breeze.

Are they better than my dark silver shield? As long as something blocks physical 100% I haven't been keeping track of much else.

[Jodou]

Are they better than my dark silver shield? As long as something blocks physical 100% I haven't been keeping track of much else.
The brushwood blocks 100% of fire damage, so you can eat an entire flame breath and only stagger. I think the purple only prevents 90%, though.

[salty tbone]

Well, yeah, 4 or 5 runs in, which only take a minute or two, and I get a bunch of spices plus another character level. It would take almost that long just to get to the FRW - though you'd probably get spices from the regular octopus men on the way.

Actually, all you need to do is run up the stairs, kill an unarmed dude, run outside, kill a octo man, run in the other side to the FRW (you can run past the second octo man). The route takes a minute as long as you already unlocked the doors on that level. Just another option. After 120+ hours, I've gotten a little burned out on farming and am happy to just pay for what I want. :)

Are they better than my dark silver shield? As long as something blocks physical 100% I haven't been keeping track of much else.

The purple and brushwood have 90% and 100% fire resistance. The dark silver has 70%. My main shield is the silver, but when you know you'll be facing a dragon ... ;)

Edit: Jodou beat me to it.

[Snake2715]

advantages of silver shield are what then? Weight?

[salty tbone]

advantages of silver shield are what then? Weight?

Weight and 100% magic resistance.

[jmbreci]

Who can give a little guidance on 2-3? I've been "punched" to oblivion a number of times now....think Rocky in any of his movies...maybe the KO by Clubber Lang would be best. Just need a little guidance...should I be poking those big dragon claws? I feel like I am a pull-string doll who is stuck on the same sentence over and over and.....

Did get some help getting through 4-2 though....I'm not too fond of that level. While I could've probably taken down old blind eye without help, it would have take a long time with my arrows to do that.....and it did not help that I was wearing the wrong rings (the ones for 2-3 still).

What is the best use for the colorless demon souls? I have 2 now....Adjudicator shield? White Bow? Any weapon worth throwing them on?

Think I've finally hit 60...have all of 5, 4-3, 3-3, 2-3 and the remaining two in the first one to do.

Sorry...one more question - the Dark Silver Shield.....what do I need to do to get that? Been running around with the Adjuctor or Purple Shield.

Thanks!!!

[Jodou]

What is the best use for the colorless demon souls? I have 2 now....Adjudicator shield? White Bow? Any weapon worth throwing them on?

Sorry...one more question - the Dark Silver Shield.....what do I need to do to get that? Been running around with the Adjuctor or Purple Shield.
Adjudicator is trash; I'd throw it away. The health regen does not stack with spells/rings, so you end up with less defense for a worthless attribute. White Bow is the best in the game after you get it to +5, eclipsing the Lava Bow +5. Only upgrade that if you plan on staying ranged, though.

Dark Silver Shield is a drop only if you kill the boss Garl Vinland in 5-3. It is the best shield in the game versus magic users.

[Saint Noir]

White Bow is the best in the game after you get it to +5, eclipsing the Lava Bow +5. Only upgrade that if you plan on staying ranged, though.

Sticky Compund Long Bow +5 is the best if you have decent dexterity. It has the best modifier in regards to this (S), nothing else really comes close. If you have low dex, then the other bows are good.

[Jodou]

Sticky Compund Long Bow +5 is the best if you have decent dexterity. It has the best modifier in regards to this (S), nothing else really comes close. If you have low dex, then the other bows are good.
It depends on whether you want the added range or not, but it's true the viscous box does eventually overshadow the white bow in damage. That's only if he goes 99 into Dex, though.

[Snake2715]

Joduo,

White Bow is the best in the game after you get it to +5, eclipsing the Lava Bow +5. Only upgrade that if you plan on staying ranged, though.

Wrong I do believe. There is another better bow.

The viscious doenst exist in our game but its the sticky compound...



*edit just realize thats been mentioned. The sticky is stronger at a lower level (dex) I do believe... Maybe I should look into that.

[salty tbone]

It depends on whether you want the added range or not, but it's true the viscous box does eventually overshadow the white bow in damage. That's only if he goes 99 into Dex, though.

What does White Bow +5 add? I've never bothered because the Wiki and official guide give practically the same stats as the base (Range 75, Dmg 100, Str E, Dex E). The only upgrade I can see is to Dex D with first colorless demon soul. Doesn't seem right.

For me, the benefits of the sticky +5 passed the white bow pretty quickly (maybe even by the time I got my Dex to 24 just to use the white bow). Now I have 62 Dex and have 373 attack with my sticky +5 and a heavy arrow. It is 232 with the white bow (238 if I upgraded it to +1) and a heavy arrow.

I haven't felt handicapped by the shorter range.

[Jodou]

Nevermind, I was comparing the wrong two bows. Nothing to see here!

[jmbreci]

Jodou - no, I appreciate everyone's input. So, get my Long Bow to the Stick +5.....got it at +3 now....using the White Bow at the moment, as it is better than my Quality Compound Short Bow.

Got 30 dex and roughly 27 str. Got the dex to 30 because I ASAP because I like ranged and know that you get max bonus up to 30 for ranged with dex. Not sure where I'm going next...maybe more STR...who knows.

What is everyone using their colorless DS on? I see not to use it on the Adjudicator Shield...really I knew that....the other shield I have is the Brushwood and the Purple Shield.

[Jodou]

What is everyone using their colorless DS on? I see not to use it on the Adjudicator Shield...really I knew that....the other shield I have is the Brushwood and the Purple Shield.
Brushwood is the best melee/fire shield in the game IMO. Blocks 100% of both and has a block rating of 75 when fully upgraded. It's the most well balanced for every encounter.

[io]

Io, quick question: did you run along the right until you found the 'safe spot' talked about in the guide or did you run along the right and then get underneath the blue dragon, attacking from the doorway?
On my first playthough, I somehow got through running up the left and then just shot him with soul ray from behind. On NG+ though, I keep getting wiped out before I get all the way up the stairs. I've blown through NG+ without any difficulties until now at level 130, but I got frustrated after getting burnt to a crisp 6 times in a row trying to find this safe spot along the right.

I thought the "safe spot" was the doorway - then you just shoot him from there, right? I just waited for his right-to-left fire breathing (which is followed by a left-to-right one) and ran up the stairs to the door, no problem. I didn't know it was so easy - no messing around with shields and stuff. It was really hard to tell if I was damaging him from the doorway though. Is there a better place?

You guys really should invest in being able to use the purple or brushwood shield. Makes getting past the 1-4 dragon a breeze.

Well, I've had the purple shield fully upgraded for my last 80+ hours of gameplay ;). How does it help, though? The fire pretty much comes all around you and based on how if you are even just a tiny bit off center from the exploding lights in 2-2 you get wiped out I didn't even want to try that. Just running worked fine though. This time I got Biorr's stuff - didn't realize it was another set of Brushwood stuff. Now I have 3 sets ;).

Who can give a little guidance on 2-3? I've been "punched" to oblivion a number of times now....think Rocky in any of his movies...maybe the KO by Clubber Lang would be best. Just need a little guidance...should I be poking those big dragon claws? I feel like I am a pull-string doll who is stuck on the same sentence over and over and.....

Did get some help getting through 4-2 though....I'm not too fond of that level. While I could've probably taken down old blind eye without help, it would have take a long time with my arrows to do that.....and it did not help that I was wearing the wrong rings (the ones for 2-3 still).

What is the best use for the colorless demon souls? I have 2 now....Adjudicator shield? White Bow? Any weapon worth throwing them on?

I've asked repeatedly what I should be using the colorless souls on. I have 8 now. I may upgrade Istarelle to +5 and use that on my NG++ in the swamps - will really help keep the poisoning to a minimum.

As for 2-3, you mean the Dragon God? You do not fight his claws. You just need to knock down the pillars/rubble blocking your way from a safe spot (fairly easy to do using soul arrow though the aiming can be tricky) and then move on to the next safe spot. Then you get to two things that shoot him and take most of his health away. Then you can just finish him off with arrows or spells (or probably melee though I never bothered with that). It is one of the easier bosses in the game once you know what to do. The trickier part is doing it without scaring away the 2 geckos you come across. The first you can just run up and fight - the dragon will not get you right there.

Adjudicator is trash; I'd throw it away. The health regen does not stack with spells/rings, so you end up with less defense for a worthless attribute. White Bow is the best in the game after you get it to +5, eclipsing the Lava Bow +5. Only upgrade that if you plan on staying ranged, though.

Dark Silver Shield is a drop only if you kill the boss Garl Vinland in 5-3. It is the best shield in the game versus magic users.

Hmmm - maybe I should upgrade the dark silver shield... Dunno.

Sticky Compund Long Bow +5 is the best if you have decent dexterity. It has the best modifier in regards to this (S), nothing else really comes close. If you have low dex, then the other bows are good.

What does White Bow +5 add? I've never bothered because the Wiki and official guide give practically the same stats as the base (Range 75, Dmg 100, Str E, Dex E). The only upgrade I can see is to Dex D with first colorless demon soul. Doesn't seem right.

For me, the benefits of the sticky +5 passed the white bow pretty quickly (maybe even by the time I got my Dex to 24 just to use the white bow). Now I have 62 Dex and have 373 attack with my sticky +5 and a heavy arrow. It is 232 with the white bow (238 if I upgraded it to +1) and a heavy arrow.

I haven't felt handicapped by the shorter range.

So is the consensus that the sticky compound +5 is the best with decent Dexterity? I don't have the lava bow (can make it next playthrough), and the white seemed fairly weak, though I didn't know what upgrading it would do. But I have Dex in the 40's now and get a huge bonus based off that.

Jodou - the Brushwood stuff all seems great, but it is WAY WAY WAY too heavy. Honestly, I don't see how anyone uses anything but the assassin/sage stuff. I just recently was able to go with the full sage outfit and that was after upping my endurance quite a bit to be able to equip the final piece (the gloves). Keep in mind, I think rolling is essential, so I keep my equip burden at 1/2. But I always think I have better uses for my levels than putting the TON I'd need in endurance to use other armor. But it seems every blue/black phantom I run across is wearing heavy armor. I don't get it.

Early on I did make sure I could roll with the following all equipped: winged spear, purple flame shield, catalyst, and compound long bow. I guess I could use heavier armor if I unequipped the bow when not using it, but I like to be able to switch rapidly.

And Saint Noir - what is it that you changed into there at the end? It was some sort of gladiator looking armor. I've never seen that!? You had the assassin's mask along with it but what was the rest?

[Saint Noir]

So is the consensus that the sticky compound +5 is the best with decent Dexterity? I don't have the lava bow (can make it next playthrough), and the white seemed fairly weak, though I didn't know what upgrading it would do. But I have Dex in the 40's now and get a huge bonus based off that.

And Saint Noir - what is it that you changed into there at the end? It was some sort of gladiator looking armor. I've never seen that!? You had the assassin's mask along with it but what was the rest?

With a DEX 40 a +5 Sticky Com. Long Bow would be your best bet by far. IMO. A booster rating of S with that high of DEX will be killer.

I was just wearing an assassins mask with black leather gloves and leggings (I think, I change these sometimes) and the armor was Old King Doran's breastplate.

[io]

With a DEX 40 a +5 Sticky Com. Long Bow would be your best bet by far. IMO. A booster rating of S with that high of DEX will be killer.

I was just wearing an assassins mask with black leather gloves and leggings (I think, I change these sometimes) and the armor was Old King Doran's breastplate.

Ah, it was the breastplate then... I may try to level up my endurance enough to wear part of that - maybe go back to the assassin's/black leather stuff to make up for it. But that may just even things out.

You have to admit one thing about this game - it is fairly balanced. There really is no overwhelmingly awesome piece of equipment or weapon to get a hold of. And even the things that seem great on the surface have their drawbacks (like the heaviness of the brushwood armor, etc).

[orbit18]

I wanted to buy this game, but I was wondering when you level up, can you ever get so powerful that you just blow away enemies easily? Or does level scaling?


also: would you reccommend this game if you don't always have a lot of time to play, is it good for short instances?

[coolz481]

I wanted to buy this game, but I was wondering when you level up, can you ever get so powerful that you just blow away enemies easily? Or does level scaling?


also: would you reccommend this game if you don't always have a lot of time to play, is it good for short instances?


You can never just button mash your way through, but don't be put off by those saying how hard the game is. You can level up to a degree where you can make mistakes every now and then and survive most of the time. Plus, once you know the layout of the levels and enemies, it becomes infinitely easier. I was worried about the all the comments about NG+, but as I stated in an earlier post, I've had no troubles at all (except for the blue dragon). If you're willing to put in the time and learn the melee combat, it's a really rewarding game.

[happy]

I wanted to buy this game, but I was wondering when you level up, can you ever get so powerful that you just blow away enemies easily? Or does level scaling?


also: would you reccommend this game if you don't always have a lot of time to play, is it good for short instances?

It's fine for playing in short bursts as long as you don't mind not accomplishing anything. Most levels can be beaten in a half hour or so, but you'll probably die a few times on the way. It also constantly saves so you can turn it off at any point you want.

[Snake2715]

Jodou - the Brushwood stuff all seems great, but it is WAY WAY WAY too heavy. Honestly, I don't see how anyone uses anything but the assassin/sage stuff. I just recently was able to go with the full sage outfit and that was after upping my endurance quite a bit to be able to equip the final piece (the gloves). Keep in mind, I think rolling is essential, so I keep my equip burden at 1/2. But I always think I have better uses for my levels than putting the TON I'd need in endurance to use other armor. But it seems every blue/black phantom I run across is wearing heavy armor. I don't get it.


Your not the only one.. I cant tell you how many times I have helped at the blind boss level 4-2 and watched fully equipped heavy armor people move in... I just dont know how to play as a tank I guess. I prefer the mobility.

[Jodou]

Well, I've had the purple shield fully upgraded for my last 80+ hours of gameplay ;). How does it help, though? The fire pretty much comes all around you and based on how if you are even just a tiny bit off center from the exploding lights in 2-2 you get wiped out I didn't even want to try that. Just running worked fine though. This time I got Biorr's stuff - didn't realize it was another set of Brushwood stuff. Now I have 3 sets ;).

Jodou - the Brushwood stuff all seems great, but it is WAY WAY WAY too heavy. Honestly, I don't see how anyone uses anything but the assassin/sage stuff. I just recently was able to go with the full sage outfit and that was after upping my endurance quite a bit to be able to equip the final piece (the gloves). Keep in mind, I think rolling is essential, so I keep my equip burden at 1/2. But I always think I have better uses for my levels than putting the TON I'd need in endurance to use other armor. But it seems every blue/black phantom I run across is wearing heavy armor. I don't get it.
I only use the shield from the set; never said the armor. If you visit the Pantheon, you can see what I wear. I should be #11 in most souls collected; just look for RaidenTR.

As for blocking the dragon flame buffet, just face him. It only hits you once and gives you plenty of time to recover for the run up.

[Backlash]

It's fine for playing in short bursts as long as you don't mind not accomplishing anything. Most levels can be beaten in a half hour or so, but you'll probably die a few times on the way. It also constantly saves so you can turn it off at any point you want.

That's good news for me, too, cause I can't have long gaming sessions anymore. However, I thought one of the early complaints I read about the game was lack of save points and loss of progress?

[happy]

That's good news for me, too, cause I can't have long gaming sessions anymore. However, I thought one of the early complaints I read about the game was lack of save points and loss of progress?

That complaint is that when you die you start at the beginning of the level, but it constantly saves.

[gunm]

Brushwood is the best melee/fire shield in the game IMO. Blocks 100% of both and has a block rating of 75 when fully upgraded. It's the most well balanced for every encounter.


It's so heavy. I'm thinking it's not worth getting until after you at least finish NG if you're not going the melee/STR route.

[Jodou]

Unfortunately, it's incredibly heavy, even for what it does. I realize this doesn't matter the higher level/higher NG you go, though.
Well, it is a large shield lol. I had no problems wielding it with the Ancient King's set and still be able to roll quickly, but I also use Large Sword of Moonlight which weighs like a feather. Most of these guys are like 100-150, so unless they didn't upgrade their endurance to at least 40 (big mistake) it shouldn't be hard to find a good setup.

[gunm]

I always have a hard time figuring out where to take my chars in these level up RPGs. Right now I'm going the Magic route (still not finished w/NG).

[io]

Well, it is a large shield lol. I had no problems wielding it with the Ancient King's set and still be able to roll quickly, but I also use Large Sword of Moonlight which weighs like a feather. Most of these guys are like 100-150, so unless they didn't upgrade their endurance to at least 40 (big mistake) it shouldn't be hard to find a good setup.

Why is that a big mistake? I'm around 150 but my Endurance is 20 at best. I just find so many other things I'd rather upgrade. In fact, you suggested earlier to increase Vitality so I've been doing that a bit (still in the low 20's). But mostly I've gone with Dexterity (for bow power), Intelligence (to increase MP and spell slots - still want to get to 40 on that as I think I get 6 slots then), Magic (for power on both spells and increased attack from my moon winged spear), and Faith (for miracle power, magic defense, and increased attack from talisman of beasts). I've stopped on strength at 32 or so because I don't seem to get much from that any more. After I get Intelligence to 40 I'll probably go all out on Vitality, but maybe I'll start doing some Endurance too. The thing is, I don't see myself gaining too many more levels through 2 more playthroughs if I just get to the bosses ASAP.

[Saint Noir]

I love leveling endurance as I like the extra stamina points and equip burden. Also, the added resistances is nice.

Even playing to never get hit, I like being able to roll all I want and attack a lot without running out of green bar.

I have pumped that and magic the most recently. I would like to get my DEX up higher now.

[happy]

This is one of the few games where I actually find myself wanting to level pretty much everything. I even started putting a few points into luck... Endurance seems to do so much though, it has recently taken on more importance. Although now I'm trying to get my faith up to 24 so I can use the moonlight sword - I'm going physical for the NG+ playthrough as much as I can and avoiding shields just seems useful.

[gunm]

I think Jodou means if you're going to do a lot of melee, having those stats is probably a must in the early game/NG. My toon can do some melee and take some hits/roll out of harm's way but now I'm having to take a stand and really decide if I want to push Magic before completing my first playthrough.

I do like having more END, though. Having a lot of green bar is more of a psychological comfort in that I can refill it up a lot faster than my blue bar. I'm really struggling the urge to put a lot of points in there now and telling myself I can do it later.

[salty tbone]

Why is that a big mistake? I'm around 150 but my Endurance is 20 at best. I just find so many other things I'd rather upgrade. In fact, you suggested earlier to increase Vitality so I've been doing that a bit (still in the low 20's).

I love leveling endurance as I like the extra stamina points and equip burden. Also, the added resistances is nice.

Even playing to never get hit, I like being able to roll all I want and attack a lot without running out of green bar.

I have pumped that and magic the most recently. I would like to get my DEX up higher now.

This would be my answer to. Of course, I leveled up endurance and ignored vitality (with the strategy of not getting hit) and faith (once I reached a certain number of slots). I think if you plan on doing a lot of melee, endurance is key for the reasons Saint Noir mentioned.

Also, it's nice to be able to sprint nonstop across half the maps. :) Once you hit level 40, though, the stamina boost stops.

[Jodou]

Why is that a big mistake? I'm around 150 but my Endurance is 20 at best.
Lol, no wonder you can't block the dragon's flame buffet. Your endurance caps at 160 once you have 40 into it, so that's why I recommended getting it to at least that far. It makes a huge difference and is absolutely necessary if you're melee.

[IRHari]

Man I stopped playing this game after I platinum'd it. There's something wrong with me, clearly. Every single game that I've platinum'd has gathered dust afterwards. Only exceptions might be Borderlands and Bioshock, I have no idea why, I'm not a huge fan of FPS's.

I should start playing this game again though, it's my goatee.

[gunm]

Isn't it that most game's platinums pretty much symbolize you've done all you can do with it? At least, I don't think anyone would fault you for stopping after achieving a platinum in this particular game.

[Hibiwa]

Finally rented the game to see what the fuss was about. Not quite my thing.

It's a beautiful looking game, but I'm too impatient about multiple dying and having to restart a level to appreciate what others like in an action RPG.

[luan87us]

Finally rented the game to see what the fuss was about. Not quite my thing.

It's a beautiful looking game, but I'm too impatient about multiple dying and having to restart a level to appreciate what others like in an action RPG.

I actually appreciate games like this nowadays. They stopped making games challenging enough these modern days. This game is one of the few that worth the $60 price tag these days. Challenges are what make this game fun to play actually lol otherwise it will just be like any other RPGs out there.

[io]

Lol, no wonder you can't block the dragon's flame buffet. Your endurance caps at 160 once you have 40 into it, so that's why I recommended getting it to at least that far. It makes a huge difference and is absolutely necessary if you're melee.

This would be my answer to. Of course, I leveled up endurance and ignored vitality (with the strategy of not getting hit) and faith (once I reached a certain number of slots). I think if you plan on doing a lot of melee, endurance is key for the reasons Saint Noir mentioned.

Also, it's nice to be able to sprint nonstop across half the maps. :) Once you hit level 40, though, the stamina boost stops.

I don't think I ever tried to block the fire with my shield, Jodou - I just assumed it wouldn't work since it seemed to go all around me when I did get hit. However, like I said before, running through that part was no problem at all.

I have been doing a lot of melee with the shield/spear combo and I just back away when my endurance runs down. I suppose, though, that if there is a cap at 40, I might as well go for it. Then maybe I can use some better armor as well.

It's funny, but the one attribute that was so critical early on, strength, has really not been something I've needed to touch for a long time. I guess I'll go with endurance for my next several levels, anyway.

[salty tbone]

I have been doing a lot of melee with the shield/spear combo and I just back away when my endurance runs down. I suppose, though, that if there is a cap at 40, I might as well go for it. Then maybe I can use some better armor as well.

When you get your endurance up, you'll be backing away a lot less often too. Most enemies I just stab stab stab and not worry about the endurance bar getting drained.

[IRHari]

Isn't it that most game's platinums pretty much symbolize you've done all you can do with it? At least, I don't think anyone would fault you for stopping after achieving a platinum in this particular game.

Yeah I suppose you're right. I really enjoy games with New Game +, cause usually there are a few trouble spots that you want to run through again and rape face with your upgraded equipment.

The fact that each NG+ gets harder and harder makes it more sweet and gives you a bigger incentive to keep running through the game. That, and the 712 level cap.

I do enjoy getting trophies because you end up playing the game in a way that you might not have thought of before. Running through Dead Space using just the Ripper weapon, running through a Bioshock challenge using just a wrench & plasmids.

It seems like more and more games are getting rid of 'cheats' and the like. Of the games I've seen come out in the past few months, I can only name 2 or 3 that have 'cheats' that alter gameplay. IMO, those should be the rewards you get for getting trophies. You should get an in-game reward other than just an extension of your e-penis.

[seanr1221]

Is there anyway to get the magic ring besides the crow or starting the game with it??

[ChibiJosh]

http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/rings

[Saint Noir]

Got the Sage's Trophy just a bit ago.

I am now a blueblood sword and an insanity catalyst away from the platinum.

In my current game I need to beat all of 4 and 1-4 ... will do that and just have to beat all of 3 (easy) and then all of 5 in the next game... I hate 5.

Oh... and 2 due to red hot demon soul. Boo.

[happy]

I just started NG+ - it really is harder. I've made it through 1-1 and 1-2 without much trouble, but the ninja things in 1-3 crush me with a single roundhouse kick (even with my shield up). The red dual katana guy in 4-1 also destroyed me there, so looks like I'm going for either 2-1 or 3-1.

Looks like I should get endurance up to 40 to start wearing some good armor while still rolling. I may try to start using a bow too - I hate to waste souls on arrows though...

[Thomas96]

damn, the game has ninja's too! I'm so on the fence with this game, I want it so bad.. but I'm so scared of it!

[io]

damn, the game has ninja's too! I'm so on the fence with this game, I want it so bad.. but I'm so scared of it!

Dude, if I can make it to the end of NG+ then I think most CAGs should have little trouble.

[jmbreci]

I hate 5-2....literally....3 deaths so far.....none of which I should have endured....and the level is so slow moving. Arrows are easily replenished....at least the regular ones. Go to 4-1, kill the first reaper and you can get 400+ of them.

[yoshi9784]

Does anyone think the design of this game is a ploy to get gamers to buy strategy guides (especially ones included in expensive deluxe editions)?

[happy]

Does anyone think the design of this game is a ploy to get gamers to buy strategy guides (especially ones included in expensive deluxe editions)?

http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/

I don't understand why anyone would ever buy a strategy guide.

[Saint Noir]

Working through +++ now. Something oddly satisfying in one shotting a boss.

io, if you go through +++, Flamelurker is a real jerk. My tactics don't work as well. Best bet is to do the same thing, just use homing soul arrow (as long as you get 5 bullets) from on top of the big piece of rubble over and over. The time between shots is enough of a buffer. Doing that coupled with my +5 Kris Blade and Ring of Magical Sharpness allowed me to take him out in just a handful of casts.

Prior to that victory I died a few times on him, ruining my record against that boss.

[io]

Thanks for the tip. But I have a question. I have never been able to use homing soul arrow - it just makes the dots and then they go away without firing. What's the trick to getting it to actually work?

[Saint Noir]

Be in range of a target and they should fly. As long as I am a little closer than targeting range, I've never had a problem.

Some enemies they won't go after... like I tried using them on the Blue Dragon, but they would never fire off. Eventually they just disappeared. But most of the time they went off without a problem. I would practice with them a bit... better out in a level than at a boss.

[Saint Noir]

Platinum. Woo. This one felt really good!

io, if you want to hold any weapon, just let me know. I will say past few days I have been having some issues logging into the PSN. Dunno what is going on.

[io]

Platinum. Woo. This one felt really good!

io, if you want to hold any weapon, just let me know. I will say past few days I have been having some issues logging into the PSN. Dunno what is going on.

Cool, yeah, the Insanity Catalyst and whatever that other one is that is the 4th use of a demon...

I thought I'd have tons of time to play games over the long holiday weekend but I actually ended up playing less than I did before Thursday. This was partly due to family things, partly due to Amazon sale watching, and partly due to the HWV $4.99 sale ;). But in any case, I've made no progress on DS since we last met up and I still have to finish this play and most of the next one just to get the spells - would be nice not to have to worry about those last 2 weapons as well.

[Thomas96]

Dude, if I can make it to the end of NG+ then I think most CAGs should have little trouble.

thanks! I'm buying this game.... I can't wait to play it.

[jmbreci]

Finally finished up all of 5...have Maneater left in 3-2 and then 3-3 to finish off before I mop up 1-3 and 1-4.

Nothing like showing off the game to your friend and have the auto-aim feature mess up on you. Never had that happen when I was trying to melee before...not sure how I missed 3 consecutive spears (misses, not blocked) and proceeded to die by a big sword knight in 1-3 after the first fatty minister. Talk about embarrassing....

[Saint Noir]

Cool, yeah, the Insanity Catalyst and whatever that other one is that is the 4th use of a demon...

I thought I'd have tons of time to play games over the long holiday weekend but I actually ended up playing less than I did before Thursday. This was partly due to family things, partly due to Amazon sale watching, and partly due to the HWV $4.99 sale ;). But in any case, I've made no progress on DS since we last met up and I still have to finish this play and most of the next one just to get the spells - would be nice not to have to worry about those last 2 weapons as well.

Yeah, just let me know when. I went in and messed with my router and everything seems to be back to normal now. I think I am 157 or somewhere there about in terms of level at the moment.

[gettinmoney662]

http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/

I don't understand why anyone would ever buy a strategy guide.

The strategy guide was extremely helpful with finding upgrade materials and which crystal geckos you need to get as well as their specific locations. It was also great in showing me all the tendency events I needed to do. I'm not a huge fan of the Wiki, although I did use it to see which weapons I should upgrade and to get other strategies on any bosses that were giving me trouble. I loved the official strategy guide though.

[salty tbone]

The strategy guide was extremely helpful with finding upgrade materials and which crystal geckos you need to get as well as their specific locations. It was also great in showing me all the tendency events I needed to do. I'm not a huge fan of the Wiki, although I did use it to see which weapons I should upgrade and to get other strategies on any bosses that were giving me trouble. I loved the official strategy guide though.

The official guide also has more info on upgrades than the Wiki. Both have been really useful for me.

[Snake2715]

That reminds me I have to finish the last two levels to complete my game... and mail in my guide cover for a replacement guide!!

damn other games...

Oh well I am coming back to this one now.

[souljiro]

I have one more boss fight which is in 1-4 then whatever happens after that

[Saint Noir]

I have one more boss fight which is in 1-4 then whatever happens after that

May the force be with you... hopefully you don't lose some levels! :lol:

[orbit18]

once you "beat" the game, can you still keep on playing the same character?

[Snake2715]

correct, and you actually need to to unlock all the items etc.

Its called New Game + or NG+ for short.. if you see mention of ++ well those people are on their 3rd play through.

[Saint Noir]

once you "beat" the game, can you still keep on playing the same character?

Yeah. You keep everything except keys and that sort of thing. The levels reset, but you have all your weapons and items. Which is good as NG+ is pretty hard, but ++ on it is a lot easier and levels out/doesn't jump as high in difficulty (least for me).

[jmbreci]

I have one more boss fight which is in 1-4 then whatever happens after that

What level are you? I have 1-3 to finish (want to get Biorr first before I forget) then 1-4 and the finale.....can probably help you with 1-4 after I do 1-3.

DOH! Forgot I have to finish up 3-3 also.....just finished up 1-3 tonight....Biorr makes that an easy win.

[blueweltall]

Anyone got there replacement guide yet?

[Saint Noir]

Anyone got there replacement guide yet?

Not me. But I think I just sent mine a week ago or so.

[DrFoo]

Alright level 11! I'm going to be caught up to you guys again in no time. And by in no time I mean not until a while after finals. Fuck I have to get studying.

[Loonknight]

Anyone got there replacement guide yet?

I've yet to get mine and I sent it in about a day after they had it offered. Irvine is only 20 minutes away from where I am now so hopefully they will start coming soon for all of us.

[io]

Crap, I guess I should send mine in. I printed the stuff day 1 and forgot about it.

[jmbreci]

Hmm...got the 1-4 dragon, the boss, and the finale. Although I do want to go farm some spiderstone for my sticky bow.

3-3 end boss is easy offline with the dark silver shield...for those that don't know and care.

[aosora13]

I was able to pick up Demon's Souls for $37 dollars. I was wondering where can I get tips for playing this game? I was reading and watching a review and it seems that a player will get his butt kicked. I thought that Dragon Age was a little unfair until I saw Demon Souls. It seems that it is rough. I guess I can remember it to Zelda 2 where you die for the most reckless things. Well, I hope to play this Western Style game by Atlus.

[Saint Noir]

I was able to pick up Demon's Souls for $37 dollars. I was wondering where can I get tips for playing this game? I was reading and watching a review and it seems that a player will get his butt kicked. I thought that Dragon Age was a little unfair until I saw Demon Souls. It seems that it is rough. I guess I can remember it to Zelda 2 where you die for the most reckless things. Well, I hope to play this Western Style game by Atlus.

Here is a good start... http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/

And anyone here who comments regularly can answer things for you too if they aren't clear in the wiki.

[jacknicklson]

I really want to play this but am tempted to sell my sealed deluxe and just buy the regular version. Is the guide worth anything? I would essential make at least $60 on the DE after the $37 I paid. I don't really care for collecting anymore so keeping it sealed is not really my thing I just don't know if the guide is worth it when I could use the money for other games down the road.

Thoughts?

[woodcan]

Anyone got there replacement guide yet?

Oh crap! I guess I should have been paying attention to this thread since I completely forgot about the replacement program and even this wonderful game :cry:

[aosora13]

Thanks for the link. I hope to start playing soon since I just ordered it. It seems to be a brutal game but it does look good and I have not seen games like this recently.

[Saint Noir]

I really want to play this but am tempted to sell my sealed deluxe and just buy the regular version. Is the guide worth anything? I would essential make at least $60 on the DE after the $37 I paid. I don't really care for collecting anymore so keeping it sealed is not really my thing I just don't know if the guide is worth it when I could use the money for other games down the road.

Thoughts?

I found the guide to be very cool and incredibly useful. Ultimately, it is up to you of course. I don't really collect, but I do like the DE editions box and everything.

[Jodou]

Looks like (http://twitter.com/SonyPlayStation/status/6575049207) they're doing a pure white WT for Christmas:
Heroes of Boletaria, take heart: rumor has it the Old One's power will falter in the days following the winter solstice

[gunm]

Oh cool. I can try and go after Miralda then.

[Jodou]

Anyone know what the deal is on this fabled sixth world? Was there supposed to be some DLC planned that opens the broken archstone?

[Saint Noir]

Man... land of giants... I wish this would come out. Many people were hoping for DLC with the Japanese release, but seeing as that version is 10 months old and not a peep, it may be unlikely.

Perhaps they will though, given the fairly strong US sales. We can hope. Seems like a huge waste to just let it go untouched.

[Invin]

Finally picked this up. I kept wandering in here and you guys always made the game seem so interesting. Can't wait to try it out!

[gunm]

I thought that sixth world was just part of the story. I don't think it pertains to anything specific to this game's design, but it could very well be something that could be used for a sequel or future game. Wouldn't it be cool if you could port your charcters over from this game to the next, if they ever made one?

[orbit18]

Just bought this game today and already having trouble on the first world. I guess 1-1 boleteri palace. I keep dying and then rushing my way through, since I already know where a good majority of the enemies are. i put maybe 30 minutes into it, and go to the part where you are supposed to get a "valuable" ring, or so every message says, but I have trouble a lot with the combat. I block but thats not helping very much, and the enemies keep throwing fire at my feet. Any tips for beginners?

[SynGamer]

Just bought this game today and already having trouble on the first world. I guess 1-1 boleteri palace. I keep dying and then rushing my way through, since I already know where a good majority of the enemies are. i put maybe 30 minutes into it, and go to the part where you are supposed to get a "valuable" ring, or so every message says, but I have trouble a lot with the combat. I block but thats not helping very much, and the enemies keep throwing fire at my feet. Any tips for beginners?

Try ranged attacks. Soul Arrow if you have it, bow + arrow otherwise (or a spear-type weapon).

[Saint Noir]

Try ranged attacks. Soul Arrow if you have it, bow + arrow otherwise (or a spear-type weapon).

If these don't work (or aren't available), when an enemy starts to attack, roll, get to the side or back and counter attack. If you catch an enemy after an attack, you tend to do more damage and can usually wail on them until your green bar goes away.

[pram12]

Srry if this was already asked but is there a blood filter in the game?

[FrankySox]

I have a couple of questions here for the season vets of Demons Souls.

1) I have completed 1-1, 1-2, 1-3, 2-1, 2-2, 2-3, 3-1, and 4-1. Any suggestions on which I should do next

2) Where in the hell do I get new weapons and armor. Every time I summon someone they have awesome looking stuff and it feels like I've been stuck with the same armor and weapons since the beginning of the game

3) I had my first invasion tonight (I'm a level 55) and this guy just ran around and killed all of my enemies each only taking ONE blow to kill. After he cleared a path for me to the boss he left the game, why would he have done this?

[Saint Noir]

I have a couple of questions here for the season vets of Demons Souls.

1) I have completed 1-1, 1-2, 1-3, 2-1, 2-2, 2-3, 3-1, and 4-1. Any suggestions on which I should do next

2) Where in the hell do I get new weapons and armor. Every time I summon someone they have awesome looking stuff and it feels like I've been stuck with the same armor and weapons since the beginning of the game

3) I had my first invasion tonight (I'm a level 55) and this guy just ran around and killed all of my enemies each only taking ONE blow to kill. After he cleared a path for me to the boss he left the game, why would he have done this?

1 - 4-2 to get the Sage for miracles. ?

2 - Best stuff comes from finding it off corpses in the world or from certain NPC enemies who drop good stuff.

3 - Some people play as a good black phantom. They don't get attacked by enemies since they too are registered as enemies... so they help you out.

[Snake2715]

what you you using FrankySox? Exactly what weapons and armor are you using. Also what charachter are you?

[FrankySox]

what you you using FrankySox? Exactly what weapons and armor are you using. Also what charachter are you?

Ok, had to fire up the game to make sure...


Soul Level 55 Temple Knight
Simitar +5

and

All Mirdan Armor

I also have a SHITLOAD of rare stones and other shards I don't seem to be able to use. Do these come in to play later on?

[pram12]

Anyone want to answer my question?

[FrankySox]

Anyone want to answer my question?

"Yes, there is a blood filter in Demon's Souls. When ingame, enter the System tab in the pause menu, proceed into the Options, and scroll down to "Show Blood", and simply toggle it off."


found this from on a yahoo board.

[The Linguist]

Can someone explain why the game is called "Demon's Souls" and not Demon Souls or Demons' Souls? Is there one demon with multiple souls? I've tried to find out more about the story, but the reviews mostly focus on the gameplay.

[Saint Noir]

Can someone explain why the game is called "Demon's Souls" and not Demon Souls or Demons' Souls? Is there one demon with multiple souls? I've tried to find out more about the story, but the reviews mostly focus on the gameplay.

The story focuses on a great old powerful demon who is the cause of the spreading evil. In this world souls equal power, and all the evil critters essentially collect souls for the big boss. So, they are that demon's souls. I believe anyways.

[orbit18]

I must be doing something wrong because I'm getting my ass handed to me on the first stage. Im just using a sheild and a club, and Im able to kill most enemies in 2 hits as long as I dont get hit. I've memorized placement of the enemies up until a certain point. I have trouble with the fireenemies that attack me because they cause me to not be able to roll out of the way. Also the level splits into to two and I dont know where to go, you can either go to get some ring or go fight a guy which stabbed in and killed me in one hit. Help :p

[Nirron]

I must be doing something wrong because I'm getting my ass handed to me on the first stage. Im just using a sheild and a club, and Im able to kill most enemies in 2 hits as long as I dont get hit. I've memorized placement of the enemies up until a certain point. I have trouble with the fireenemies that attack me because they cause me to not be able to roll out of the way. (1.)Also the level splits into to two and I dont know where to go, you can either go to get some ring or (2.) go fight a guy which stabbed in and killed me in one hit. Help :p

Look for the pretty bolded numbers in your post for the areas to which I'm responding.

1. The ring you're talking about (Cling Ring) is a must in the game, and all that happens when you get to the bottom of that area is that there's a gate you can open. It's not really a split in the level, as it creates a shortcut (leads out to that big courtyard where you started).

2. Now, you're either talking about one of two guys. If he has a blue sparkle in his head (enemy type is called the Blue Eyes Knight), then that's the way that the level is SUPPOSED to go. If the enemy you're talking about has a red sparkle in his head (the Red Eyes Knight) then that's just leading to a dead end area with a guy you definitely can't kill/hurt yet.

Also, what class are you? I never touched a Blue Eyes Knight or a Red Eyes Knight in melee until a bit later on, though I was a Royal so I started with Soul Arrow.

[Snake2715]

I must be doing something wrong because I'm getting my ass handed to me on the first stage. Im just using a sheild and a club, and Im able to kill most enemies in 2 hits as long as I dont get hit. I've memorized placement of the enemies up until a certain point. I have trouble with the fireenemies that attack me because they cause me to not be able to roll out of the way. Also the level splits into to two and I dont know where to go, you can either go to get some ring or go fight a guy which stabbed in and killed me in one hit. Help :p


Thats the beauty of the game. Take your time. Or go back to the begining of this thread and start reading.

We all went through that.



I have to say I played Modern Warfare 2, Uncharted 2, and went back and sunk another 20+ hours into Killzone 2 online... I finally put this back in and finished my first playthrough... I am having a hard time not starting over tonight. I turned it off as I have a few important meetings tomorrow.

[orbit18]

Look for the pretty bolded numbers in your post for the areas to which I'm responding.

1. The ring you're talking about (Cling Ring) is a must in the game, and all that happens when you get to the bottom of that area is that there's a gate you can open. It's not really a split in the level, as it creates a shortcut (leads out to that big courtyard where you started).

2. Now, you're either talking about one of two guys. If he has a blue sparkle in his head (enemy type is called the Blue Eyes Knight), then that's the way that the level is SUPPOSED to go. If the enemy you're talking about has a red sparkle in his head (the Red Eyes Knight) then that's just leading to a dead end area with a guy you definitely can't kill/hurt yet.

Also, what class are you? I never touched a Blue Eyes Knight or a Red Eyes Knight in melee until a bit later on, though I was a Royal so I started with Soul Arrow.


Thank you for all the tips, I am a barbarian with a shield and club. I like playing melee classes but they always end up being crappy in most games!

[Snake2715]

Try a hunter if the barbarian gives you trouble. I like the ax he starts with and he can be very melee.

Also beyond your starting gear you manipulate the character after the first level.

Good luck, and keep trying. Take your time on each area. Approach it like its your life on the line. Caution.

[orbit18]

I'm finally getting the hang of it after 2-3 hrs, to be very cautious before doing anything. I just beat phalanx the boss, but it was really easy to what I thought it was going to be. As long as you use fire its not too bad. Is that just 1-1 I assume? I beat it just using a 2h bastard sword, and bought some plate legs and chest armor at the merchant halfway through with my souls.

[Ecofreak]

Thank you for all the tips, I am a barbarian with a shield and club. I like playing melee classes but they always end up being crappy in most games!

In that case, I'd recommend the Temple Knight. He has a shield w/ blocks 100% of attacks (I think) and wears heavy armor. A very versatile fighter that is a bit more beginner friendly, IMO.

[bjstucker]

came back to this game this weekend in NG+ never knew you had to be in revived form to summon people. Needless to say ran through 1-1/2 2-1/2/3 3-1/2 with no problems. Having the hardest time with the stone trophies.

[jmbreci]

I have a couple of questions here for the season vets of Demons Souls.

1) I have completed 1-1, 1-2, 1-3, 2-1, 2-2, 2-3, 3-1, and 4-1. Any suggestions on which I should do next

2) Where in the hell do I get new weapons and armor. Every time I summon someone they have awesome looking stuff and it feels like I've been stuck with the same armor and weapons since the beginning of the game

3) I had my first invasion tonight (I'm a level 55) and this guy just ran around and killed all of my enemies each only taking ONE blow to kill. After he cleared a path for me to the boss he left the game, why would he have done this?

Did you find the blacksmith on 2-1 and give him Flamelurker's stone? That will "persuade" him do better upgrades for you (like the Sticky Bows and Meat Cleaver among others)

Armor is armor really....I like the light stuff...weapons on the other hand...that is something else. Spear is essential (I still need more moonstone) IMO since you can block while attacking.

I would say either 3-2 or 4-2 next.....5 sucks IMO...it was (by far) my least favorite level. I actually liked 3-2.

[chakan]

Is anyone who is getting their guide replaced willing to send me their original defective guide for a reasonable price? My brother has the game, and I'd like to get him a companion gift.

[Saint Noir]

Is anyone who is getting their guide replaced willing to send me their original defective guide for a reasonable price? My brother has the game, and I'd like to get him a companion gift.

I could, I guess. Only issue is it has been used a good deal and the front cover and first page are ripped out per the program.

[Saint Noir]

Didn't see this mentioned. DS won IGN's best PS3 RPG of the year...

http://bestof.ign.com/2009/ps3/best-role-playing-game.html

[Jodou]

Didn't see this mentioned. DS won IGN's best PS3 RPG of the year...

http://bestof.ign.com/2009/ps3/best-role-playing-game.html
On PS3? Let's be honest, what competition was there lol.

[Nirron]

On PS3? Let's be honest, what competition was there lol.

Dragon Age is the only other game that comes to my mind. I actually didn't know whether Demon's Souls or Dragon Age would take it, since Demon's Souls plays somewhat like a WRPG.

The real fun will be to see which RPG gets overall RPGOTY. The DS came out with some pretty awesome ones (Bowser's Inside Story and my personal GOTY, SMT: Devil Survivor) and I'm sure there were quite a few good WRPGs on PC, like Risen/Torchlight/etc.

[Saint Noir]

On PS3? Let's be honest, what competition was there lol.

Somewhat true. I have seen Dragon Age take a lot of these awards though. I expect the PC version of that will win most RPG of the year awards.

[chakan]

I could, I guess. Only issue is it has been used a good deal and the front cover and first page are ripped out per the program.

I knew it would be in that condition . Let me know how much you want for it shipped.

Thanks!

[BREVITY]

Got this in from Gamefly last week and started it on Sun. Seems good so far but fairly hard. I keep going back to the beginning. I didnt beat that guy that looked like a balrog in the 0 lvl before 1-1. I wonder if I should start over and try to beat him. I went with a Temple Knight but I am not sure if that was a good choice.

[jmbreci]

Got this in from Gamefly last week and started it on Sun. Seems good so far but fairly hard. I keep going back to the beginning. I didnt beat that guy that looked like a balrog in the 0 lvl before 1-1. I wonder if I should start over and try to beat him. I went with a Temple Knight but I am not sure if that was a good choice.

Not unless you like insurmountable odds...it really is not worth going back to try and fight him....except for him being gone in 4-1 (is that really the case?) there is no advantage to it...that and Vanguard is easy pickings in 4-1.

Want it to be easier - then start as a Royal and get yourself your magic right away. Soul Arrow makes the beginning of the game infinitely easier. Dying is definitely part of the game.

[Brownjohn]

Got this in from Gamefly last week and started it on Sun. Seems good so far but fairly hard. I keep going back to the beginning. I didnt beat that guy that looked like a balrog in the 0 lvl before 1-1. I wonder if I should start over and try to beat him. I went with a Temple Knight but I am not sure if that was a good choice.

The best advice I can give you is be cautious and always keep your shield up.

I'm playing as a Temple Knight, and its really not too bad as long as I don't rush into things.

[Snake2715]

On the guides I was thinking. Is atlus possibly waiting to see how many requests they get before they actually run a print of the new guide? If they run too many are they going to sell them off, I doubt it.

My guess is they are holding on the print run?

[blueweltall]

Can I send in my guide even though my cover isn't showing any fading? I'm just worry that it will fade afterward.

[Snake2715]

Can I send in my guide even though my cover isn't showing any fading? I'm just worry that it will fade afterward.


i did, and my reasoning was that the binding is fading. I have been extremely gentle to it, but apparently even placing the binding in your hand causes that to lose color. So I sent mine in. I figure they are not going to deny me, and if they do I can prove mine is wearing out if needed.

[orbit18]

I need tips on beating the tower knight, because I feel like my guy is too slow moving around him. I kill all the archers and then go back down to fight him, but I can only get a few hits in before he kills me usually regardless whether i stay close or further away.

[Saint Noir]

I need tips on beating the tower knight, because I feel like my guy is too slow moving around him. I kill all the archers and then go back down to fight him, but I can only get a few hits in before he kills me usually regardless whether i stay close or further away.

If you have no ranged attacks to hit him from the top of the wall (when he lowers shield), than get light enough to be able to roll quickly and get behind him. Going in turtle slow isn't the best thing to do with that guy.

[orbit18]

I'm wearing plate on my chest and legs, so I cant even roll well. I have a couple throwing knives but thats pretty much it. Unless I revert back to some ragged armor which is the default then I really have nothing else to change into thats lighter.

[Saint Noir]

I'm wearing plate on my chest and legs, so I cant even roll well. I have a couple throwing knives but thats pretty much it. Unless I revert back to some ragged armor which is the default then I really have nothing else to change into thats lighter.

Use armor to get to him and dispatch of the guys if you need to... but you need the quickness if you are melee only. So you may have to go naked.

[BREVITY]

Started over with a Royal female. That first boss took me out with one hit from full health. Overall though it was easier with her ranged attack. I HATE that you can fall to your death.

I got the game from Gamefly and they dont have the manual up for it so I dont know much about the game. There are loads of things I dont understand like those blood stains.

[salty tbone]

Started over with a Royal female. That first boss took me out with one hit from full health. Overall though it was easier with her ranged attack. I HATE that you can fall to your death.

I got the game from Gamefly and they dont have the manual up for it so I dont know much about the game. There are loads of things I dont understand like those blood stains.

The wiki is an excellent reference for new players (and veterans). http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/

[Jodou]

Started over with a Royal female.
Make sure you research armor in this game because the best is male only.

[gunm]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1321-Demons-Souls

Mostly jokes about the difficulty...

I wouldn't worry about the armor too much, as you can get still get owned in the best armor.

[Jodou]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1321-Demons-Souls

Mostly jokes about the difficulty...

I wouldn't worry about the armor too much, as you can get still get owned in the best armor.I can't really tell if Yahtzee hated it or loved it because he tells every game to fuck off. As for armor: don't blame the tool for bad workmanship.

[Snake2715]

I'm wearing plate on my chest and legs, so I cant even roll well. I have a couple throwing knives but thats pretty much it. Unless I revert back to some ragged armor which is the default then I really have nothing else to change into thats lighter.


remember when you fought eh blue eye night at the top of the castle wall, just before the fog door? If you turn 180 degrees from that door and look at the wall, somewhere on that side is a break in the wall.. if you jump down there, there is a crossbow. You could get that and use that for ranged. Its lower than a bow in regards to attack, but you just need to lock on, don't use the zoom, lock on and fire from the hip. That may do it. Personally I found a bow to be invaluable for my hunter.

[Snake2715]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1321-Demons-Souls

Mostly jokes about the difficulty...

I wouldn't worry about the armor too much, as you can get still get owned in the best armor.


Thanks for the review link. I was cracking up. sounds like he only made it into level 2-1.

Great review. If you hadnt played it would still make no sense, but for those that have played, it makes perfect sense!



Armor, i am still running my assasin grub. Light is the way for me.

[gunm]

I'm still wearing the same raggedy ass shit I started with.

The main thing I wanted to upgrade besides my stats was my shield and weapon.

Since I'm a female royal, I figure I'll be ok with that until I get the more powerful magic.

[Nirron]

I'm still wearing the same raggedy ass shit I started with.

The main thing I wanted to upgrade besides my stats was my shield and weapon.

Since I'm a female royal, I figure I'll be ok with that until I get the more powerful magic.

I noticed that most armor didn't really seem to do much. I also didn't find much of a clear upgrade for armor as a male Royal. The stuff with higher defense was always clunky, and most of the lighter armor until about 4-2 or so was pretty crappy. I used my starting armor for so very long.

It does seem that magic/weapons are far more important in this game than armor. The best defense seems to be a good shield and the ability to roll quickly.

[FrankySox]

A couple of questions...

What level were you when you finished your first playthrough?(I'm 62 right now and am wondering how many more levels I need before I can consider beating the finale)

Can you kill the lady who levels you up? I accidently hit the wrong button and slashed her and on hit almost killed her. Just curious if it was possible because that would not be cool.

[Snake2715]

I believe you can kill the NPC's in the nexus. I also believe its a side mission for an NPC that is optionally rescued. I forget what the reward is however.

i was level 90 I do believe or there abouts. I could have done it quicker but was farming a few things to prep for second playthrough, if and when that time came.

Realistically I am thinking of actually going to finish my oblivion which I have started 3 times... twice on PS3 and once on PC originally. I have never finished it. This game got me itching to do so.

[Nirron]

I leveled up a LOT on the Reaper in 4-2, so I was around SL 88 when I finished my first playthrough. You're probably pretty close, or you might even be able to do it. I suppose it depends on what class you are, but once I beat FlameLurker and False King Allant (admittedly did the latter with a blue phantom's aid), the game was pretty easy. If you can or have beat those two, you're probably ready to take on the end. Really, once you clear all five areas, it's almost a non-event in terms of difficulty.

As for the Maiden in Black, you can kill her and pretty much anyone else in The Nexus (EDIT: Yeah, I should've pointed out that you can kill her, but, specifically with her, it doesn't really DO anything :-P). I don't really want to spoil anything, but other than your first play through, I don't think anyone trying to gain a decent amount of levels wouldn't kill her.

Re: Snake's spoiler tag: While not involving the Maiden in Black, Mephistopheles gives you a few quests to assassinate most of the NPCs in The Nexus, with rewards ranging from Stone of Ephemeral Eyes to Colorless Demon's Souls, to a Talisman/Ring. Here (http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/npc-mephistopheles)'s the list of people. That website is a godsend. You can also choose to kill the Maiden in Black at the end of the game when you go with her after beating all the areas of the five worlds. Choosing the bad ending and killing her will actually give you the Beast's Soul, which gives 200,000 souls when consumed.

[Saint Noir]

NO, you can't kill Maiden in Black in the Nexus. I slashed her by accident and one shoted her. She just resurrects and says she is bound to the NEXUS and you cannot kill her.

I beat it at level 85-90... I would definitely level up some as NG+ is hard as hell.

[orbit18]

This tower knight is still owning me a couple days later!

[io]

NO, you can't kill Maiden in Black in the Nexus. I slashed her by accident and one shoted her. She just resurrects and says she is bound to the NEXUS and you cannot kill her.

I beat it at level 85-90... I would definitely level up some as NG+ is hard as hell.

Noir, I still want to borrow those weapons from you - they probably aren't my last ones though so I'll look at what else I need to get and if there are any you have maybe we could just do them all at once to make sure the trophy unlocks. I need to get back in to this game and get that platinum. If I can get the stuff from you then all I need are the spells from playthrough #3. I'm still right at the end of #2 now.

Maybe tomorrow night?

[Saint Noir]

Noir, I still want to borrow those weapons from you - they probably aren't my last ones though so I'll look at what else I need to get and if there are any you have maybe we could just do them all at once to make sure the trophy unlocks. I need to get back in to this game and get that platinum. If I can get the stuff from you then all I need are the spells from playthrough #3. I'm still right at the end of #2 now.

Maybe tomorrow night?

I'm all for it, but tomorrow night won't work. Have a TON of stuff to do tomorrow, most of it not fun. But any day after that should be OK.

[Apollo Creed]

Not sure if it has been mentioned yet, but they are shifting world tendencies to pure white from December 21st until the 28th.

[Snake2715]

So I get my envelope and package it all up. Two address labels one from the atlus printout and one from the paypal shipping label... drop it in the box on 12/14 with DC... still not showing up in USPS as even scanned... just electronically notified..

Man is it going to really suck if I ripped the front cover off my book, did it correctly and somehow my huge yellow envelope got lost.

[io]

Not sure if it has been mentioned yet, but they are shifting world tendencies to pure white from December 21st until the 28th.

Figures - it seemed like the obvious thing for them to do after the black WT over Halloween weekend. I'm not sure there's anything I can do with this at this point though. I could kill Miralda maybe ;).

Noir - no problem. I think I'm getting roped into setting up a Christmas tree Friday night anyway.

[gunm]

Yup, Demon's Souls Pure White Tendency Event starts on 12/21 (Mon) at approx. 12pm PST and runs until roughly the same time on 12/28!

[orbit18]

What is the event about that you are talking about?


Also, can someone explain how to summon someone into my game? I really suck at the tower knight, and hoping that someone could beat it for me! :p Or how would I summon into someones game to get my dead body back?

[Snake2715]

to summon you need to be human form..

To get summoned you need to be in spirit form and drop the blue stone. its infinite uses.

I have never asked for assistance so i have no idea what color the stone is you ask for help.. white?

I think black allows you to invade.



Read the book. When you hit select or whatever and look at the world (columns representing teh levels) the colors change... brighter is white tendancy thats when some demons lose strength, drop less, etc. Also this game shifts with the world tendancy shifts to one color or another... so some things only happen in white world tendancy.

Check the demon souls wiki, and read through these pages of info in this thread. Its all there.

[SEH]

Just started my first play through earlier this afternoon. Jesus is this game hard. I got owned by that first tutorial boss. He just one shotted me and I went down like a sack of shit. I'm starting to kind of get the hang of the way battles are fought and the pacing of the game though.

I'm at the part now where I come up to a large bridge and that dragon comes flying out and breathes fire all over the bridge. Not really sure what I'm supposed to be doing here. Every time I try to cross, he flies out and spits fire everywhere. If I take the other path (the one that is before the bridge, to the left), he appears to be laying at the end of it just waiting for me to come out.

[Saint Noir]

Just started my first play through earlier this afternoon. Jesus is this game hard. I got owned by that first tutorial boss. He just one shotted me and I went down like a sack of shit. I'm starting to kind of get the hang of the way battles are fought and the pacing of the game though.

I'm at the part now where I come up to a large bridge and that dragon comes flying out and breathes fire all over the bridge. Not really sure what I'm supposed to be doing here. Every time I try to cross, he flies out and spits fire everywhere. If I take the other path (the one that is before the bridge, to the left), he appears to be laying at the end of it just waiting for me to come out.

Just wait til he comes out and breathes fire... and run behind him to make it to the other side. Or you could wait until pure white WT starting Monday... I think it won't be there then! :lol:

[js1]

I just got the game. Haven't touched it yet.(early gift) I think I can wait until the 21st to play... Class recommendations(best/easiest)?

[Ecofreak]

I just got the game. Haven't touched it yet.(early gift) I think I can wait until the 21st to play... Class recommendations(best/easiest)?

I hear the Royal is the best starting class, although I think Temple Knight is a good starting class as well.

[Nirron]

The Royal is pretty much considered the easiest starting class, because you start with an MP regen ring, as well as a starting circlet and wand that give you more MP. On top of that, you start with a great spell (Soul Arrow). I started as one and the game felt perhaps a bit too easy.

It's not that big an issue though. This quote on the Demon's Souls wiki sums it up nicely: You can eventually upgrade your stats in such a way that you are able to use any type of weapon, armor, or magic. You can invest your stats however, though be noted that it can take a bit.

The biggest restriction I've seen is gender, as you can only equip certain armor if you're male or female. For instance, the Silver Bracelet (10% more souls gained from kills) is female only, while Dark Silver Armor is male only.

[js1]

Cool, Thanks for the tips.

[jmbreci]

great....I'm out of town until Tuesday and they are starting the event tomorrow....and I just started my NG+ and beat 1-1. I need to run through 4 to get most of the items...the sword on 4-2 and the one with at the Dragon God....ugh...that's some work to go through. A few other things on the list....but those are the main ones.

[gunm]

I'll try and resume playing tomorrow. Does the DS server keep the WT constant during the time of the event, or can you still change it in your own game? I didn't really play online during the Pure Black event (I sync'd once, messed around for a bit, but then went back to offline), so just wondering if I fuck up next week if I'll lose/change WT in my own game.

[Nirron]

I'll try and resume playing tomorrow. Does the DS server keep the WT constant during the time of the event, or can you still change it in your own game? I didn't really play online during the Pure Black event (I sync'd once, messed around for a bit, but then went back to offline), so just wondering if I fuck up next week if I'll lose/change WT in my own game.

I was wondering that myself. I actually started during the Pure Black (great decision there :-P) so didn't get to see, but this time around it looks like I'll be going after King Doran sometime soon (next day or so) and don't want my WT to drop from PW to Neutral for the rest of the dang event.

Edit: Thanks ChibiJosh. Didn't actually know about the Nexus syncing stuff either, so double thanks for that.

[ChibiJosh]

I'll try and resume playing tomorrow. Does the DS server keep the WT constant during the time of the event, or can you still change it in your own game? I didn't really play online during the Pure Black event (I sync'd once, messed around for a bit, but then went back to offline), so just wondering if I fuck up next week if I'll lose/change WT in my own game.

The only time WT is updated is when you go to the nexus. So, if you do something to change WT, it'll stay pure white unless you exit to the nexus and then it will change. But, if you quit the game and restart, it'll resynch with the server become to pure white again.

[gunm]

Ok thanks. I messed up 'cause I forgot Miralda's axe only drops w/PB WT. I also stupidly picked up the Brushwood armor when I didn't have enough Equip burden, so it's gone now. :( I'm cool with the PFS, but it would've been nice to have the armor set available if I really wanted it. I'll have to get it again in another playthrough.

[Saint Noir]

Ok thanks. I messed up 'cause I forgot Miralda's axe only drops w/PB WT. I also stupidly picked up the Brushwood armor when I didn't have enough Equip burden, so it's gone now. :( I'm cool with the PFS, but it would've been nice to have the armor set available if I really wanted it. I'll have to get it again in another playthrough.

Just let... Bior die if you have not yet killed the blue dragon. He gets roasted and you can pick up his set if you haven't gotten that far. Of course you have to save him first.

[Nirron]

It's times why I always carry a Ring of Herculean Strength. If the archstone isn't too far away, you grab what you want, then head back and unload it. Only time I've been hesitant about doing that is in 2-2 when I needed to go back there but refused to fight those damned bearbugs.

And I know I'm basically a newb in DS in the grand scheme (on my first NG+) but holy bejesus Allant has a lot more hp. I beat him on the 6th or 7th try, though each time I had the assistance of at least 1 blue phantom. I can't imagine how long it would take me to beat that guy solo unless you had a magic or strength stat up the wazoo.

[sotc1988]

Got Makoto and Keel Smasher during the event but no way am I going to world 5 until I level up about fifty more times. Christ I hate that level.

[erectiontown]

so when you dudes sent in your covers for your replacement guide, do they send you an email saying they received it?

[Nirron]

Thought I'd add this for people taking advantage of the PW World Tendency: http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/world-tendency

Click on the White World Tendency tab, and it'll tell you what you can do and where the events are located. Doesn't really seem to have many meaningful events, though I would like to get Garl's BP in 5-3.

[erehwon]

I haven't really played this much since I got Dissidia for the PSP. I'm looking at sending my cover for my guide in. Unfortunately, the wear mainly appears on the spine and not the cover. I hope they'll still send me a new one. I wonder if I should include a picture of the spine?

[gunm]

Ah frak it! I forgot I had the Ring of Herculean Strength on me! :doh:

Whelp, I fucked up on that one. Hate to have to let Biorr bite it just to get that armor, but I guess I can do that or just do another playthrough.

Last night I saved Sage Freke, but I wasted so much time because I got turned around and ended up wandering around 3-1 looking for his cell most of the night. >_<

One weird thing that happened was that when I got back to the Nexus to visit Freke, I walked over the steps where the archstones are thinking it would be a short cut, but I ended up walking on top of Freke's head. He immediately stood up and spoke as if I attacked him. Needless to say I was shitting bricks right there (being a magic user and all), but luckily I was able to force quit out of the game and reload without him permanently aggro'd. I was able to pick up Warding, but damn talk about almost screwing the pooch right there....

[ChibiJosh]

Actually, he wouldn't've actually attacked you for doing that because I stepped on his head the first time too, and he just stands up and yells then he's fine.

[Jodou]

Lol, who hasn't stepped on his head at least once? Such bad placement for an NPC, especially since you don't know he's there after rescuing him.

[Saint Noir]

I thought if you landed on someone it makes them hostile... maybe if it is from a certain height... maybe not. Either way, that would have sucked if he was permanently hostile!

[Dezuria]

I just got this game 2 days ago, and I'm playing as a female royal, but so far it's not really hard at all. I beat the Tower Knight on my first try, and now I can't go farther because I gotta kill an Archdemon?(where is that?)

I hope the game gets harder soon, maybe World 1 is just easy, especially during this white tendency event.

[io]

I haven't really played this much since I got Dissidia for the PSP. I'm looking at sending my cover for my guide in. Unfortunately, the wear mainly appears on the spine and not the cover. I hope they'll still send me a new one. I wonder if I should include a picture of the spine?

Uh, I hope that's not an issue because I just sent mine in and it looks fine too. I don't think that's an issue, really. The spine on mine is also the part having the issue.

[erectiontown]

Uh, I hope that's not an issue because I just sent mine in and it looks fine too. I don't think that's an issue, really. The spine on mine is also the part having the issue.
just in case this is an issue, i made a big white mark on the cover with my finger before mailing it away.

[sotc1988]

just in case this is an issue, i made a big white mark on the cover with my finger before mailing it away.
Well, now they're DEFINITELY not going to touch it.

[Saint Noir]

Well, now they're DEFINITELY not going to touch it.

This makes no sense... as mine had a big white mark on the cover... from my finger... from regular use. This was the issue and why the program exists.

[ChibiJosh]

This makes no sense... as mine had a big white mark on the cover... from my finger... from regular use. This was the issue and why the program exists.
See. He was making a crude joke where the "white mark" was, in fact, semen. Quite low brow.

I just got this game 2 days ago, and I'm playing as a female royal, but so far it's not really hard at all. I beat the Tower Knight on my first try, and now I can't go farther because I gotta kill an Archdemon?(where is that?)

I hope the game gets harder soon, maybe World 1 is just easy, especially during this white tendency event.
An archdemon is a demon at the end of a word. Go beat world 2, 3, 4 or 5.

[Saint Noir]

See. He was making a crude joke where the "white mark" was, in fact, semen. Quite low brow.

Ah. Sometimes these jokes go right by me... :applause:

[gunm]

I just got this game 2 days ago, and I'm playing as a female royal, but so far it's not really hard at all. I beat the Tower Knight on my first try, and now I can't go farther because I gotta kill an Archdemon?(where is that?)

I hope the game gets harder soon, maybe World 1 is just easy, especially during this white tendency event.



Go do 4-1 and 5-1 right now.

[Nirron]

Just got a text message from a friend (and watched a little of the video after going there): apparently this got Game of the Year over at GameSpot.

There goes my theory that Uncharted 2 was going to sweep GotY awards (seems just unique enough to get it, while I figured most gaming sites would try to avoid the typical MW2 awarding), though I do think DS deserves basically all the praise it gets. I know online gaming sites aren't as mainstream as, say, the VGA awards, but definitely more mainstream than the majority of Demon's Souls demographic.

I had a few minor issues, mainly with R3 (it turned me around sometimes when I tried to lock on, causing me to die as a result most of the time) and the fact that you couldn't toggle offline mode. However, the game just manages to make me feel like I actually accomplish something when I beat a boss, and that feeling trumps my minor quibbles. I've only fought him three times, but every time fighting Allant I found that I was actually shaking afterward.

Edit: Looked through their other awards, and I guess I might have seen it coming if I actually followed anything at GameSpot. Demon's Souls also won RPG of the year and PS3 game of the year over there for their genre and platform specific rewards, respectively. In other words, it had already beaten Uncharted 2 on its home territory, so it seemed fairly reasonable for it to beat it again overall.

[Saint Noir]

Wow. That is a pretty major award for this title. Great news.

[Vinny]

Just got a text message from a friend (and watched a little of the video after going there): apparently this got Game of the Year over at GameSpot.

There goes my theory that Uncharted 2 was going to sweep GotY awards (seems just unique enough to get it, while I figured most gaming sites would try to avoid the typical MW2 awarding), though I do think DS deserves basically all the praise it gets. I know online gaming sites aren't as mainstream as, say, the VGA awards, but definitely more mainstream than the majority of Demon's Souls demographic.

I had a few minor issues, mainly with R3 (it turned me around sometimes when I tried to lock on, causing me to die as a result most of the time) and the fact that you couldn't toggle offline mode. However, the game just manages to make me feel like I actually accomplish something when I beat a boss, and that feeling trumps my minor quibbles. I've only fought him three times, but every time fighting Allant I found that I was actually shaking afterward.

Edit: Looked through their other awards, and I guess I might have seen it coming if I actually followed anything at GameSpot. Demon's Souls also won RPG of the year and PS3 game of the year over there for their genre and platform specific rewards, respectively. In other words, it had already beaten Uncharted 2 on its home territory, so it seemed fairly reasonable for it to beat it again overall.

I didn't really think there was anything special about Demon Souls gameplay but the online interactivity is genius. Congrats to Atlus... I'm sure they'll bombard us with emails since they actually have a game which won a GotY.:lol:

Uncharted 2 already won 5 GotYs (X-Play, VGAs, Yahoo, AP, and Destructiod) and AA won one (GamesRadar). This was a great year for games so it's not hard to believe that Uncharted 2 isn't going to sweep the awards...

[Chibi_Kaji]

This is a dumb question but I just killed Miralda. If I went back to that area(I missed something) I shouldn't have to fight her again right?

[Nirron]

Not until you start a new game. Named NPCs stay dead. Now go and grab your Colorless Demon's Soul and miscellaneous Brushwood stuff!

[Supplice]

I didn't really think there was anything special about Demon Souls gameplay but the online interactivity is genius. Congrats to From Software...

Fixed. Remember, From Software developed it, and Atlus just published it to the west.

[Saint Noir]

Fixed. Remember, From Software developed it, and Atlus just published it to the west.

Congrats to both is my sentiment. As well as Sony for another exclusive that won a GotY. :D

Not to mention Sony published the game in Japan.

[ChibiJosh]

This is a dumb question but I just killed Miralda. If I went back to that area(I missed something) I shouldn't have to fight her again right?

She appears there at both pure white and pure black, so if you beat her when it's pure white, she will reappear when it's pure black, and she'll have a different drop.

[Hiei69]

I just started this game and beat the first boss (Phalanx). So far its not too bad, but I waisted my health items on my first couple attempts against the boss, since I had no idea what I was doing. I then easily beat him, but my sword broke during the battle making it take even longer. I think I will be consulting some guides to make the game experience go a little smoother.

[DrMunkee]

I just started this game, and I must say, I LOVE it.

Maybe it's just because all the really popular RPGs I tend to play these days have the "click and watch your character fight while you navigate menus" type of gameplay. (World of Warcraft, FF12). Those tend to get old quickly, and I give up most of the time after 4 or 5 hours of gameplay.

I love the difficulty. Killing is satisfying.

Maybe I'm just happy because I have yet to reach any truely diffcult spots, mostly thanks to a few well placed hints.

Looking forward to playing more! Poor Ratchet and Clank hasn't even had a chance to show me what its got...

[BREVITY]

I got started a little while ago. The game is great but wow is it hard. I lost well over 3k XP due to a little slip up when the phone rang and I tried to pick it up while walking some planks in 5-1. Then yesterday I played while I was a little sleepy and walked off the edge of another place. It reminds me of an MMO in that you cant pause it and you have to hide your body while you go take a piss or what not. Also these bastages who leave misleading signs can go to hell. I puzzled over one for a long time thinking it was trying to tell me how to get down to a set of souls for some nice XP. I kept trying to drop down but dieing thinking I was landing long.

[Hiei69]

Wow, I stayed up until 4 AM playing this. So far, I have beaten the Phalanx, Tower Knight, 4-1 boss and the 2-1 boss. I have a soul level of 45 and am trying to pimp out my thief into more of a ninja/assassin.

[Nirron]

*snip* Also these bastages who leave misleading signs can go to hell. I puzzled over one for a long time thinking it was trying to tell me how to get down to a set of souls for some nice XP. I kept trying to drop down but dieing thinking I was landing long. *snip*

Therein lies the importance of messages and voting. If a message doesn't get any or many votes, it'll disappear decently fast. You can also lay a message telling others to beware of a false message ahead. Always fun.

I do have one thing I think this game should embrace (especially if they do a sequel): Have some way to sell weapons for souls, even if they aren't much. Right now I have like, 4 White Bows, 3 Storm Rulers, and a few other weapons that I will NEVER use. On the one hand, Stockpiler Thomas is undoubtedly happy, but I've got all this crap I don't need and can't do anything with.

Also, please no more worlds like the Valley of Defilement (World 5) :bomb: You get crap in terms of souls from the enemies there, and it takes SO LONG to traverse 5-2, plus those fucking plague babies are the devil's spawn. I love every other world (well, Latria can be long and a bit arduous, but still fun) except this one. I always save it for last because it's just not that fun for me. I will also kill the man who thought to put the Crystal Gecko in 4-2 on the ledge by the Black Samurai Skeleton. I can't get a Pure Darkmoonstone to save my life (last thing I need for a +5 Crescent).

[io]

I got started a little while ago. The game is great but wow is it hard. I lost well over 3k XP due to a little slip up when the phone rang and I tried to pick it up while walking some planks in 5-1. Then yesterday I played while I was a little sleepy and walked off the edge of another place. It reminds me of an MMO in that you cant pause it and you have to hide your body while you go take a piss or what not. Also these bastages who leave misleading signs can go to hell. I puzzled over one for a long time thinking it was trying to tell me how to get down to a set of souls for some nice XP. I kept trying to drop down but dieing thinking I was landing long.

Only 3K? :lol: Wait till you lose 100K my friend ;). As for the hiding thing, well, I've never played an MMO but I think it is different in one respect - you can simply clear the enemies out of a small area and then sit there with no problem so it isn't quite as bad as it seems. That is assuming you aren't playing in body form and getting invaded of course. But I never play in body form so I don't worry about it.

I will also kill the man who thought to put the Crystal Gecko in 4-2 on the ledge by the Black Samurai Skeleton. I can't get a Pure Darkmoonstone to save my life (last thing I need for a +5 Crescent).

Don't the geckos at the end of world 4 (the ones out past the 4-4 archstone) drop those like candy? It seems like I got 3 or 4 from them. I kept getting them while I was trying to get something else (the ones for the shield). The clearstone is the impossible one and thankfully a CAG let me borrow their clearstone weapon.

I finally got back into this again last night. I finsihed off my second playthrough (the arrow trick on the false king worked like a charm by the way), blew through 1-1, and then did all of world 2 (thank god for the shortcut past all the lava worms in 2-2 - though I suppose I still have to back there to get Patches). Hopefully I can get through world 3 again tonight, then free Yuria so I can finish off my spells. Then I just have to figure out which weapons I need and hopefully meet up with Saint Noir to get the two that would require a fourth playthrough. I love the game but with 130 hours into it already I'm growing weary of it. The 3-4 week break I took helped a bit as it was fun to get back into it (though I had already forgotten how to do some stuff!).

Hopefully there's some DLC on the way or news of a sequel!

[Saint Noir]

I can't get a Pure Darkmoonstone to save my life (last thing I need for a +5 Crescent).

I have no idea what level you are at, but if you can't get one and need one, I have a few spares I think.

io, just tell me when you are ready and we can meet up.

[Nirron]

Don't the geckos at the end of world 4 (the ones out past the 4-4 archstone) drop those like candy? It seems like I got 3 or 4 from them. I kept getting them while I was trying to get something else (the ones for the shield). The clearstone is the impossible one and thankfully a CAG let me borrow their clearstone weapon.


Yeah, they have a chance to as well. I was reading the DS wiki, and it had a qualifier by the ones in 4-3 (7+ luck, which I have, and a LSS, which I don't have) but 4-2 was by itself. I think I've already maxed out the gecko spawns on the 4-2 ledge, so I'll have to give 4-3 another shot. I also spend a lot of time in 4-2, since Thirst + Ring of Avarice give me something like 32k souls in about a minute and a half from the first Reaper and Black Samurai Skeleton, so I have much more experience with that damn gecko.

@Saint: Thanks for the offer, though I'm betting you're a bit over my head currently. I'm only SL 138 right now (hooray I'm almost 20% :-P), but I'm gonna try to see if I can get it myself. While I'm not opposed to a handout, in every game (or DEFINITELY in MMOs) I try to earn pretty much everything myself. Some stupid combination of pride, stubborness, and OCD must fuel that desire.

[Saint Noir]

@Saint: Thanks for the offer, though I'm betting you're a bit over my head currently. I'm only SL 138 right now (hooray I'm almost 20% :-P), but I'm gonna try to see if I can get it myself. While I'm not opposed to a handout, in every game (or DEFINITELY in MMOs) I try to earn pretty much everything myself. Some stupid combination of pride, stubborness, and OCD must fuel that desire.

No worries. I think I stopped at about 150, so you aren't really out of range. If you change your mind, just let me know. That one isn't too bad as the end of 4-3 has 2 chances per go. Just don't go out to them until after you've killed everything around (including boss) and make sure to use Large Sword of Searching if you have it.

[IRHari]

Can't believe this thread is still alive. Not that I'm complaining!

My backlog is so huge there is no way I could be able to go through this game again. If I did though I'd go mage. Still gotta finish up Dragon Age, START Assassins Creed 2, and finish up Uncharted 1 & 2, and UT3. Jesus.

[Baron O Hell]

Took down the fat man and the tower knight. Also killed two sparkling lizards. Today was good day for the forces of good. Unfortunately I was also invaded for the first time and was bashed to ground. I caught something I didn't know how to get rid of. Would have died anyway since I wasn't doing all that much damage.

[Droenixjpn]

I have barely touched into this game... Been addicted to the PSP. MONSTER HUNTER IS EATING MY SOUL!

I'll have to delve deeper into this game. It seems like a cool game though.

[bjstucker]

I am having the hardest time farming to stones to get those trophies. Forgot to get the last miracle before talking to the old one.

[Backlash]

Just got this for Xmas and so far I love it, though I haven't gotten too far. I tried several times last night to kill Miralda but I just wasn't able to. Maybe I'm not strong enough (Soul Level 18 I think?) but now the pure white WT is over so I guess I missed my chance. How often does the WT go to pure white or pure black when there's not a specific server event?

I also read the wiki a bit and realized I must have let Ostrava die, though I never saw him. Maybe he suicided or some fire killed him before I could do anything. I see why people seem to NG+ on this more than other RPGs - there's so much to do (and miss!)

[Nirron]

You pretty much determine your own World Tendency. Check out the wiki's section on World Tendency (http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/world-tendency), specifically the 'How do I change it?' portion. Really seems like you'll need quite a few Stones of Ephemeral Eyes if you want Pure Black. I'm hoping they keep doing events like these throughout the next year, as they're pretty useful, and give me a lot of incentive to keep coming back.

And Ostrava really isn't that important. If you got the Mausoleum Key from wherever he died, then you're fine. He does give you a few items if you keep him alive throughout the world, but nothing urgent enough in your first playthrough.