General Role-Playing Game Thread

[FloodsAreUponUS]

Which serves as airtight evidence that Square-Enix is the biggest fuck-up this gen.

Final Fantasy 13 will prove you wrong.

[Chacrana]

Final Fantasy 13 will prove you wrong.

Alright, we'll see. In 2010.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

Alright, we'll see. In 2010.

2009.

[JEKKI]

damn I gotta replay SH Covenent one day... one of the best RPG I ever played in my life.

awesome music, awesome characters, game is sooooo gooood

[MSI Magus]

damn I gotta replay SH Covenent one day... one of the best RPG I ever played in my life.

awesome music, awesome characters, game is sooooo gooood

Ya one of the best games last gen, sad its so underrated. What the hell made you bring it up though?

*note to self never type a message again before nail polish drys*

[Chibi_Kaji]

Ya one of the best games last gen, sad its so underrated. What the hell made you bring it up though?

*note to self never type a message again before nail polish drys*
I guess he saw heavyd's last post. Anyway I should get around to finishing SH Covenent one day.

2009.
2020

[willardhaven]

An 86% average on Gamerankings is overrating Shadow Hearts Covenant if you ask me. The Judgment Ring was such a chore after a while.

[heavyd853]

An 86% average on Gamerankings is overrating Shadow Hearts Covenant if you ask me. The Judgment Ring was such a chore after a while.

Shun the nonbeliever!

Just kidding


I loved the ring, although trying to get 5 attacks in took a bit of getting used to.

[JEKKI]

and u save all your infinite ring items for the final boss...

kill him in one turn lol

[FloodsAreUponUS]

13 will be released in Japan next year.
There is already screen shoots and footage of the battle system.
They said they are in Alpha, and the game can be burned to a blu-ray and played on a ps3.
Square is just keeping this to its chest like most games.

[Chibi_Kaji]

13 will be released in Japan next year.
There is already screen shoots and footage of the battle system.
They said they are in Alpha, and the game can be burned to a blu-ray and played on a ps3.
Square is just keeping this to its chest like most games.
I'll believe it when I have MY copy is my hands. The US isn't getting 13 until the 360 version is done.

[Chacrana]

Sure it might take longer, but with it on the 360, everyone has a chance to play it! Isn't that more important, guys?

[willardhaven]

If it's anything like 12, I don't care.

If it's like IV, VII, IX or even VIII I'm in.

[Chibi_Kaji]

Sure it might take longer, but with it on the 360, everyone has a chance to play it! Isn't that more important, guys?
Of course, unless you were one of the people who brought a PS3 just for FF13.

[EXStrike]

Well, I'm loving The Last Remnant anyway, Chac.

Oh, and Cry On got canceled.

[pete5883]

Which one was Cry On? From Software?

[Rodimus]

FF has become that series where I I'm like "Alright.. alright... I'll fucking buy it, just make it good this time."

[odintal]

FF has become that series where I I'm like "Alright.. alright... I'll fucking buy it, just make it good this time."

agree but i'd expand that to a lot of rpgs.

lately if it isn't from bethesda or bioware i can't get into it.

[Rodimus]

With most series I know what to expect. (Tales of.. SMT, Suikoden) but FF mixes it up so much it's hit or miss. I haven't truly loved a FF since 9.

[Chacrana]

I feel like Tales is more hit or miss... I loved Symphonia and what I played of Vesperia, but I couldn't stand stuff like Abyss.

I've felt like the FF series is pretty consistent in quality despite that it always changes things up. Well, except for 11 which was really boring.

[EXStrike]

Which one was Cry On? From Software?

Mistwalker x Cavia

[Rei no Otaku]

With most series I know what to expect. (Tales of.. SMT, Suikoden) but FF mixes it up so much it's hit or miss. I haven't truly loved a FF since 9.
Same for me except I haven't really liked a FF since 4.

[depascal22]

Just beat Eternal Sonata last night and I liked it. My thumb is still sore because of the battle system but it's an enjoyable game all around. I give it a B.

[Krymner]

Hopefully I'll get around to playing Eternal Sonata this year, if the price ever comes down and stays around $30 for the PS3 version.

I'm not really looking forward to any RPGs yet this year. I mean, yeah FF XIII "may" come this year, but even that I'm skeptical about and not really hyped for.

What RPGs is everyone really looking forward to this year??

[depascal22]

White Knight Chronicles I guess. I'll be following the same pattern I've been doing for a couple years. Wait for a price drop on last year's games and enjoy. I'll be playing Mass Effect, Blue Dragon, and Lost Odyssey over the next couple months so Valkyria Chronicles and Tales of Vesperia should be cheaper by then. That is if I play anything other than Street Fighter IV or Gears 2 after the middle of Feb.

[JEKKI]

2009: Arc Rise Fantasia

that's it!!

[Rei no Otaku]

Ar Tonelico 2 is the big RPG for me next year. I can't wait for that game.

[Chibi_Kaji]

I can't say I'm looking forward to White Knight Chronicles. Rogue Galaxy left a bad taste in my mouth... Thats about the only RPG I can think of coming out this year.

[EXStrike]

Looking forward to Arc Rise Fantasia and Star Ocean 4 mainly. Hopefully Fragile also if it comes over to NA.

Also, there's a Tales of Destiny Director's Cut fan-translation in the works.

[kainzero]

on my way to finishing journey in FES. took me long enough, i'm in the final month and i fused all my broken persona, i have my armageddon duo and my item-farming messiah. don't think i'll be maxing s.links this runthrough, since i have lovers 10, aeon 2, empress 3, justice 3 with about 18 days left. i wanted messiah with morning star but the chance of getting orpheus with it is like, zero despite having two persona with morning star and victory cry.

kinda funny seeing how i used a tri-element mithra for most of the game (and i trained it every night too!) before blowing the doors off with surt / odin / siegfried. gonna spend time thinking about how to make individual element persona and an all physical one in case i don't feel like being too broken. for some reason i thought revolution only applied to the party, so i was like "why should i bother to keep apt pupil?" and i subsequently erased it from my siegfried. dang.

well, after this, i can finally start P4. i wanted to play mass effect but my 360 RRoDed, and then after that there's blue dragon.


i don't even know what's coming out in 2009.

[62t]

not only that Front Mission 5 is also getting a translation patch.

Right now I am on Disc 4 in Lost Odyssey. Hope to finish that soon so I can finish Chrono Trigger (just beat Black Omen)

Looking forward to playing Sakura Taisen V soon.

[MSI Magus]

I am most looking forward to a game/series thats frequently over looked! The new Mario and Luigi for the DS. The last one was a blast to play and very underated. I find that my attraction to RPGs that are turn based, especially those with random battles is slipping fast. I tried playing Digital Devil Saga recently and just lost interest before the game even really began. Some still do a good job holding my attention such as the Persona series....but most just cant keep my attention anymore.

M&L is one of those games that actually does because like Shadow Hearts the battle has some level of interaction + you can see the enemies on the world map/in dungeons and choose to avoid them. The puzzles also keep you on the same screen for the most part vs sending you back tracking across half a dungeon of random encounters because you didnt flip some stupid switch.

[Chibi_Kaji]

I have never played one of the M&L games. I've been meaning to try them out.

[Mr. Beef]

If you haven't played any of the M&L games, I strongly suggest playing the GBA version first, since, IMO, it is the better of the two.

[Moxio]

I can't say I'm looking forward to White Knight Chronicles. Rogue Galaxy left a bad taste in my mouth... Thats about the only RPG I can think of coming out this year.

Incorrect. Rogue Galaxy was a great game. Too bad it looks like ass on an HDTV. :/

I feel like Tales is more hit or miss... I loved Symphonia and what I played of Vesperia, but I couldn't stand stuff like Abyss.

I've felt like the FF series is pretty consistent in quality despite that it always changes things up. Well, except for 11 which was really boring.

That makes absolutely no sense. ToV was basically TotA 1.5 in almost every way.

not only that Front Mission 5 is also getting a translation patch.

Right now I am on Disc 4 in Lost Odyssey. Hope to finish that soon so I can finish Chrono Trigger (just beat Black Omen)

Looking forward to playing Sakura Taisen V soon.

Just got to Disc 3.

[MSI Magus]

If you haven't played any of the M&L games, I strongly suggest playing the GBA version first, since, IMO, it is the better of the two.

Hell I say play them both.

[Chacrana]

That makes absolutely no sense. ToV was basically TotA 1.5 in almost every way.


Maybe the battle system was. I hated the story, the characters, the environments, the visuals... pretty much everything in Abyss other than the battle system.

[Purple Flames]

Has anyone played the .hack/GU series? I got some GS gift certificates for Christmas and I was thinking of picking them up.

[Rei no Otaku]

Has anyone played the .hack/GU series? I got some GS gift certificates for Christmas and I was thinking of picking them up.
I really liked them.

[Chibi_Kaji]

Incorrect. Rogue Galaxy was a great game. Too bad it looks like ass on an HDTV. :/.
I wanted to like the game. I mean it looked great and the story seemed ok. But I hated the lack of control I had over my teammates AI. I just couldn't deal with my team asking me to do shit they should be able to do themselves.

Has anyone played the .hack/GU series? I got some GS gift certificates for Christmas and I was thinking of picking them up.
I loved the first series(atleast the first 2 anyway... I loved the story enough to deal with the crap in 3 and 4). But I just couldn't get in to GU for some reason.

[Rodimus]

Like Chac I also didn't like Abyss but enjoyed ToV. Maybe I just didn't give Abyss a shot. I only played about 5 hours and quit.

I'm obsessed with P4. I just can't stop playing it.

[Chibi_Kaji]

I enjoyed what I played of Abyss. I was going to go back and finish it before ToV came out but I lost the memory card with my save... So that went out the window.

Speaking of Persona 4, I really need to get back to it before I forget about it. It's just hard to find the time to sit down and play it.

[Rei no Otaku]

I really liked Abyss. It does have its flaws, but I thought it was an enjoyable game.

[kainzero]

i finished P3, finally. despite that misstep when i killed my own guy with Morning Star when the boss used that reflect spell and i had to start all over. nice ending, although it seemed atypical...

<3 Aigis

[Chibi_Kaji]

i finished P3, finally. despite that misstep when i killed my own guy with Morning Star when the boss used that reflect spell and i had to start all over. nice ending, although it seemed atypical...

<3 Aigis
I thought it ended well enough... too bad they had to change that with FES.

[fatbeer]

Has anyone played the .hack/GU series? I got some GS gift certificates for Christmas and I was thinking of picking them up.

The gameplay is good. Some hack/slash with dungeon crawling. As for story, I think it's downright awful. It's really hard to buy into the whole concept that the world is about to end and the only way I can stop you is by playing a MMO. If you apply any basic logic, shouldn't you search for real culprit in real world and arrest them ? It's ten times easier then fight them through a game. Persona 4 and Yugioh have similar story as well, but Persona 4 has TV and Yugioh has cards.

[kainzero]

so i started P4 after finishing P3.

dang. they replaced all the blue with the yellow.

i like the story better, but that's because i'm a big fan of mysteries and it feels more focused... for now. also i like that one dude, yosuke, he does flips and stuff when he summons his persona, way cooler than the main character, he seems a lot cooler than stupei and akihiko.

the battle system seems a lot more calmed down, not as crazy as before, but i still don't like how your persona levels up slowly like in P3. if you're gonna use multiple persona, they should've made it easier to level them, like auto-growth 3 on them or SOMETHING. in P3 i hardly ever levelled any persona to max because i was always switching to adjust to weaknesses.

square button is top tier. game totally needed this.

soundtrack is nice. no more OOOOH YEAH DADADADADADA BABEH BABEH. don't get me wrong, P3 soundtrack was good too and i loved the final boss theme, but i also like the guitar influence here.

yeah
yayy =)

[62t]

looks like the next tales game is on Wii

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/296673.html

[FloodsAreUponUS]

Tales of the Abyss was the most mediocre tales game ever.
Legindia was better.

.hack GU is awful, and so is the first part, its just made up advertising for their stupid show.

DDS seems so slow and boring, this shit better pick up fast or Im not even gonna play nocturne at all.

[Rei no Otaku]

Tales of the Abyss was the most mediocre tales game ever.
Legindia was better.

.hack GU is awful, and so is the first part, its just made up advertising for their stupid show.

DDS seems so slow and boring, this shit better pick up fast or Im not even gonna play nocturne at all.
If you think DDS is slow and boring, don't bother with Nocturne.

[Mr. Beef]

I think P4 has one of the best non-boss battle themes I've ever heard. Of course, most of the themes I hear are from FF games, so go figure.

[Rodimus]

Nocturne is a dungeon crawler in the purest sense. The game is 90% fighting & 10% story. Oddly it works and I love the game for it. Like Rei said if you think DDS is slow and boring I wouldn't bother with Nocturne.

[willardhaven]

Tales of the Abyss was the most mediocre tales game ever.
Legindia was better.


DDS seems so slow and boring, this shit better pick up fast or Im not even gonna play nocturne at all.


I can't really think of many better JRPGs than TotA and Nocturne... if you don't like them I think you might want to try another genre.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

I can't really think of many better JRPGs than TotA and Nocturne... if you don't like them I think you might want to try another genre.

I love many JRPGS and they are probably my second favorite genre. I just hated alot about TotA.

I enjoyed so many JRPGS, im just saying I hate a couple because of the characters.

[willardhaven]

That makes much more sense... I've always been more of a setting person when it comes to games.

[Mr. Beef]

I really couldn't get into TotA because of that exact reason. The main character and his non-stop whining drove me away.

[Moxio]

Luke was designed that way to allow him to change throughout the game.

[Rei no Otaku]

He changes halfway through the game after a plot twist.

[Mr. Beef]

Yeah, I know all about that. But the change needed to happen sooner.

[kainzero]

I think P4 has one of the best non-boss battle themes I've ever heard. Of course, most of the themes I hear are from FF games, so go figure.
I kinda like it but I hate myself for liking it


Mostly because I watch a bit of J-drama and they do have a tendency to overuse songs with lyrics during pivotal moments, but like a sucker I fall for it every time.

[Mr. Beef]

:lol:

[MSI Magus]

TotA was a great game........untill the load times make it unplayable. I played the game for quite awhile and then had to quit because the load times were just killing it.

As for Nocturne.....fuck it! Nocturne sucked it was like freaking MMORPG offline without the exploring. You grind and grind and grind and freaking grind and the difficulty was throw the rough. The story was a joke and pacing God awful. Setting means nothing if a good story isnt in place to take advantage of it or gameplay to make it enjoyable.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

He changes halfway through the game after a plot twist.

He changes but still remains to be annoying, and awful.

[willardhaven]

As for Nocturne.....fuck it! Nocturne sucked it was like freaking MMORPG offline without the exploring. You grind and grind and grind and freaking grind and the difficulty was throw the rough. The story was a joke and pacing God awful. Setting means nothing if a good story isnt in place to take advantage of it or gameplay to make it enjoyable.

You are funny.

[kainzero]

There's one thing that bothers me about P3 and P4...

Although I like how social links exist, I don't like how the answer to the questions can determine how much you level up the social link.

"Do you like tacos?"
-"I love tacos!"
-"I think they're pretty good!"
-"I like the spiciness!"

And it doesn't feel like I'm really engaged or solving something. It just feels random.

[MSI Magus]

There's one thing that bothers me about P3 and P4...

Although I like how social links exist, I don't like how the answer to the questions can determine how much you level up the social link.

"Do you like tacos?"
-"I love tacos!"
-"I think they're pretty good!"
-"I like the spiciness!"

And it doesn't feel like I'm really engaged or solving something. It just feels random.

Ya I can agree with that. I wouldn't mind if they go up or down based on how you answer questions....but some of the stuff really is too obscure and while most are probably easy to predict there are some that are just far too odd or difficult.

[JEKKI]

There's one thing that bothers me about P3 and P4...

Although I like how social links exist, I don't like how the answer to the questions can determine how much you level up the social link.

"Do you like tacos?"
-"I love tacos!"
-"I think they're pretty good!"
-"I like the spiciness!"

And it doesn't feel like I'm really engaged or solving something. It just feels random.


how the hell is that random??

anybody who doesnt love tacos also does not deserve to earn any social link points.

pretty good and spiciness SMH...

[FloodsAreUponUS]

Tacos are a joke.
Enchiladas are where its at.

[JEKKI]

shutup! you're a joke!

[FloodsAreUponUS]

Go home and be a family man.

[MSI Magus]

*has a refined palette and doesnt care for Tacos or Mexican food in general* Doesn't help that they smother everything in fucking beans. Sushi, Korean and Pizza is where its at!

On topic - Anyone else notice the overwhelming preference for JRPGs here? Doesn't seem there is a lot of talk about games like Mass Effect and Fall Out.

[Moxio]

Mass Effect stinks.

:summons his Jekkisona:

[Krymner]

Tacos rule. Even Yuna says so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1TD_NIDlE0

[Dr Mario Kart]

The bigger games tend to already have their own threads. Smaller games benefit most from megathreads. There really havent been any huge JRPGs this generation yet. I expect there will be a Final Fantasy 13 thread when that ship sails.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

Final Fantasy XIII (13 fo suckas who dont know roman numerals) - Gen Info & Disc.

[Rei no Otaku]

Mass Effect stinks.

:summons his Jekkisona:
Lies.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

Baldurs Gate> Mass Effect.

[Mr. Beef]

A jekkisona wouldn't be any help. He'd sit there, talkin'' about whateer, then jekkisona would sommon Galvatronsona.

[MSI Magus]

A jekkisona wouldn't be any help. He'd sit there, talkin'' about whateer, then jekkisona would sommon Galvatronsona.

More like sit there eating Tacos getting fat ;)

[JEKKI]

Mass Effect is in my backlog, I'ma play it before I play Fallout... which is all after I finish Valkyria... which is after I finish P4.

and speaking of fat, I needa go to the gym today, but my appetite's all funked up rite now and I doubt I'll feel up to it after work... which is fine coz I wanna play Persona anyways.

like I was playing last nite and it was midnite and I was like aww fock I gotta go to sleep but I dont wanna go to sleep coz I wanna keep playing Persona! but I went to sleep anyways...

I miss school... if I had class in the morning I woulda played Persona all nite, then skipped class to play more Persona. Work sucks, I dont even get any social links working here :cry:

and there's also this place that combines tacos and korean food. I wanna go there but it's legendary and mysterious, I needa write a blog on it soon.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

tacos and korean food sounds amazing.
get some.

S-Link up.

[JEKKI]

finding the mysterious korean taco truck tho is an RPG in itself.

real life RPG yo, I need more experience points, and I need key items and information

[Krymner]

Yeah, but in real life RPG, barging into people's houses and looking thru their stuff is kinda frowned upon.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

Yeah, but in real life RPG, barging into people's houses and looking thru their stuff is kinda frowned upon.

not if you have high enough stealth.

[MSI Magus]

Mass Effect is in my backlog, I'ma play it before I play Fallout... which is all after I finish Valkyria... which is after I finish P4.

and speaking of fat, I needa go to the gym today, but my appetite's all funked up rite now and I doubt I'll feel up to it after work... which is fine coz I wanna play Persona anyways.

like I was playing last nite and it was midnite and I was like aww fock I gotta go to sleep but I dont wanna go to sleep coz I wanna keep playing Persona! but I went to sleep anyways...

I miss school... if I had class in the morning I woulda played Persona all nite, then skipped class to play more Persona. Work sucks, I dont even get any social links working here :cry:

and there's also this place that combines tacos and korean food. I wanna go there but it's legendary and mysterious, I needa write a blog on it soon.

Thats why you stick to Korean and Sushi! You can eat more then you can stuff like Tacos and get more energy from the better ingredients! You might laugh but what you can eat makes a big difference. I tried jogg today after having pizza for breakfast....even though it was 2 hours after the fact I still felt slow and sluggish and sick!

[FloodsAreUponUS]

Thats why you stick to Korean and Sushi! You can eat more then you can stuff like Tacos and get more energy from the better ingredients! You might laugh but what you can eat makes a big difference. I tried jogg today after having pizza for breakfast....even though it was 2 hours after the fact I still felt slow and sluggish and sick!

If you washed that pizza down with some Sam Adams then you would have been fine.

Also you should haven't eaten that much, DDS teaches you whats wrong with eating too much.

[JEKKI]

Thats why you stick to Korean and Sushi! You can eat more then you can stuff like Tacos and get more energy from the better ingredients! You might laugh but what you can eat makes a big difference. I tried jogg today after having pizza for breakfast....even though it was 2 hours after the fact I still felt slow and sluggish and sick!


are u trying to talk smack on tacos?!?!?!

wtf dood, tacos make u fuckin strong like a bear yo... I'm not lying.

like I always keep fruits with me, usually eat them for breakfast. One day I had tacos for lunch and while it does indeed make u a little sluggish and tired for about 90 minutes, you get like this big ass wave of strength and energy after that. So I was like time for a afternoon snack, I reached out to grab an apple and as I got a firm grip on it I crushed it in my bear hands!!

I woulda been pissed coz it was my last apple but instead I decided that this newfound power of mine should not be used in a negative way. They say with great strength comes great responsibilities, and since that day I vowed to use my powers for the good of mankind.

and thus begins my tale...

[Mr. Beef]

That tale is something I'ma have to pass down to my grandkids.

But doesn't that kinda make you like Popeye? Like you have to find a taco to get your Super Jekki powers?

[JEKKI]

nah not jus tacos... jus quality food in general.

that's why on my quest I form a party and we become the Anti-FastFood Defense Force.

like over a month ago, I needed more food inside me to prep me for exercise after work, and they have these 99cent chicken sammiches at Carls Jr that I useta eat all the time back in high school.

I bought one, and felt like crap for the rest of the day!! I had no energy at all!!

so... to test if it wasnt a coincidence I decided to eat one on another day... and the same shyt happened!!! It's like I was in a science class proving my hypothesis with an experiment of sum sorts.

but the things that only make me weaker give me the experience to make me stronger!!

STRONGER!!!

this is a flashback btw... reminiscent.

[Mr. Beef]

That makes sense, I guess.

I used to get these slammin' double cheezburgers from this hawaiian bbq place, Rice Bowl. I got the burger cause I didn't like some of the stuff they had on the menu (aside from the chicken katsu). Burger was the best burger I ever ate. Then I got to know the cashier lady, but I never went for it, because I guess my S. Link wasn't high enough at the time.

But yeah, I guess what I'm saying is that Jekki is alwys right.

[Chibi_Kaji]

Every time I read that someone is playing P4 I feel a little bad about myself for not playing it for the last 2 weeks...

[JEKKI]

you need to raise your diligence stat.

u can come with me to the gym tomorrow, we'll raise it together!!

[Jest]

JEKKI. Ur psp has style. Where'd you get that sweet shell?

[Mr. Beef]

you need to raise your diligence stat.

u can come with me to the gym tomorrow, we'll raise it together!!
Count me in, I need more Diligence. I'm like, level 1 still.

[suko_32]

I got pretty far in Persona 3 but never beat it :-(

I will beat Persona 4 (I hope). 3 hrs into it and so far it's excellent. Love the battle music.

[kainzero]

Taco = fresh masa corn tortilla, meat (i prefer al pastor / carne asada / carnitas, i stick with the basics), and pico de gallo. i don't know how that fills anyone up, that's some all natural stuff right there.

I really like the music in P4. Like, really. I especially like the title menu music.

Slutty Nurse S.Link ftw

[Chibi_Kaji]

Slutty Nurse S.Link ftw
Thats my favorite Slink in the game so far. Still I don't think any Slink in P4 will be the Hermit from Persona 3...

[JEKKI]

whoo! taco tuesday!! 3 for $1!!

JEKKI. Ur psp has style. Where'd you get that sweet shell?


sum random mod-chip site, I gotta pack of 5 and gave one to Yuki Ne so he did it to his also.

I wanted to dual tone my slim but I stripped the two screws on top :cry:

but I think if I superglue the screws to my screwdriver I may be able to get them out!! I'm seriously considering doing so.

that would also raise my diligence btw

oh yah I maxed the nurse yesterday also!

[kainzero]

i just started it


man
all the fun conversation topics need more courage

[Mr. Beef]

That's cause you need Courage to talk to really hot, really slutty chicks.

[Rodimus]

The slutty nurse is fun for the first few S-Link ranks, but get less interesting past level 4 I think.

[Mr. Beef]

I'm a total hypocrite. I told myself I wasn't gonna go for the shy girls, then I totally started mackin' on Yukiko. Still, I find her way more appealing than Rise or Chie.

[whoknows]

Every time I read that someone is playing P4 I feel a little bad about myself for not playing it for the last 2 weeks...

Don't worry about it. I haven't played the game since the day I got it...which was sometime around release.

[Chibi_Kaji]

I'm a total hypocrite. I told myself I wasn't gonna go for the shy girls, then I totally started mackin' on Yukiko. Still, I find her way more appealing than Rise or Chie.
I'm the opposite. I told myself that I'd probably go for Yukiko but now I'm leaning towards Chie or Rise... file:///C:/Users/CHIBIK%7E1/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpgIt's a bit of a bummer that you can only date one girl this time around.

[Mr. Beef]

I hate their pronunciation of Ree-say. I just call her "Rise," because I'm fuckin lazy.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

I hate their pronunciation of Ree-say. I just call her "Rise," because I'm fuckin lazy.

Im just gonna call you eef because fuck saying mr. beef.

[Mr. Beef]

Im just gonna call you eef because fuck saying mr. beef.
:lol:
Still, if they had put a mark over the E, then I would've went along. But the instruction book and the game fuckin' tricked me.

[kainzero]

i don't like the pronunciation of inaba.

isn't it i-NA-ba?

that's why i hate japanese names in american games
i don't want my yukikos and dojimas, give me amys and smiths.

[Mr. Beef]

I could've swore I heard them using both, but it might just be me.

[Rodimus]

It would be retared to Americanize a game that has such an obvious setting outside of the US. It would feel less genuine.

They did this with Persona 1 and it fucked up the translation big time. The first time my characters went to the Shinto shrine I was scratching my head thinking, "WTF is this place doing in the middle of an American city, we don't have that stuff here?"

[Rei no Otaku]

i don't like the pronunciation of inaba.

isn't it i-NA-ba?

that's why i hate japanese names in american games
i don't want my yukikos and dojimas, give me amys and smiths.
But it's not an American game.

My only complaint is the lack of a Japanese voice option. That being said, the voice acting is pretty good overall so I can't complain too much.

[pete5883]

Amy's and Smith's that go to school on Saturday, but have off for the Emperor's Birthday?

[Mr. Beef]

Kids that go inside a television and meet a giant talking stuffed bear to kill supernatural beings?

[FloodsAreUponUS]

Kids that go inside a television and meet a giant talking stuffed bear to kill supernatural beings?

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!

[suko_32]

I think I played 6 hours of Persona 4 today...wow.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

I think I played 6 hours of Persona 4 today...wow.

Not enough.
I feel asleep with the controller in my hand once or twice after 10 hour play sessions.

[MSI Magus]

It would be retared to Americanize a game that has such an obvious setting outside of the US. It would feel less genuine.

They did this with Persona 1 and it fucked up the translation big time. The first time my characters went to the Shinto shrine I was scratching my head thinking, "WTF is this place doing in the middle of an American city, we don't have that stuff here?"

Ya Persona 1 could be pretty awkard at times. The Japanese stuff also gives the game a really unique setting that can peak some peoples interest. My fiancee watches me play this game a lot and its largly because of the unique music and setting, she actually even commented that the game didnt seem as Japanese as Persona 3 which was a let down for her ;) her little brother is the same way.

[Rodimus]

Mark or Masao in Persona 1. This gets me every time.

American
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c396/Zangeif123/persona-mark2.jpg

Japanese
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c396/Zangeif123/persona-mark1.jpg

But this can slide since "Mark dances seductively"

[kainzero]

It would be retared to Americanize a game that has such an obvious setting outside of the US. It would feel less genuine.

They did this with Persona 1 and it fucked up the translation big time. The first time my characters went to the Shinto shrine I was scratching my head thinking, "WTF is this place doing in the middle of an American city, we don't have that stuff here?"
you know what was weird?
the french guy in P3 who would say random japanese. although everyone spoke english and the setting was in japan.

i was so confused.

actually i prefer NO voice acting in my games. maybe that would solve the voice acting problem because i hate it when things are pronounced wrong.

---

also had a weird problem with P4, game locks randomly when saving. i don't know if i like that.

[Jest]

That sucks Kain...


So has everyone here always played RPGs? Personally, I pretty much ignored RPGs in the PS2 generation besides FFX and a little bit of FFXII. Final Fantasy IX was the last RPG I played when I was really into them. It took until I played Persona 3 FES to really get me back into RPGs. Now I have a list of about a dozen I want to go back and play. Has anyone else had a similar experience?


Every days great at your Junes.

[Rei no Otaku]

That sucks Kain...


So has everyone here always played RPGs? Personally, I pretty much ignored RPGs in the PS2 generation besides FFX and a little bit of FFXII. Final Fantasy IX was the last RPG I played when I was really into them. It took until I played Persona 3 FES to really get me back into RPGs. Now I have a list of about a dozen I want to go back and play. Has anyone else had a similar experience?


Every days great at your Junes.
I've always liked RPGs. Ever since the NES days. It's probably the genre I've liked the longest, with fighting games being a close second.

[EXStrike]

RPGs are my favorite genre ever. All I would play back in the day for the most part

[kainzero]

i been playing RPGs since i was a wee kid. it took me a year to beat the first dragon warrior. now it takes me 2-3 hours using emulator speedup.

i think the psx era is when my motivation started to dwindle, there just wasn't good stuff out and i feel like i gotta learn a new battle system every time i play a new one, which will usually have an aspect of brokenness to it.

i guess that's why i prefer tried-and-true systems with a bit of refinement, like DQ, or american rpgs which have gameplay systems that seem more tested.

also i started to see cliches manifest themselves over and over and it just got worse in the ps2 generation. it's why i stopped watching anime. so it's tough for me to really invest the time in an rpg. it also doesn't help that i prefer more competitive games nowadays.

p3 became a bit of a chore to finish, but i'm really enjoying p4. again, i like mysteries and the story kinda grabbed me. the gameplay is way more refined and much smoother in every way, i don't get BS deaths as much as i did in p3, the dungeon is integrated with the story, the s.links intertwine with each other... etc.

[suko_32]

i been playing RPGs since i was a wee kid. it took me a year to beat the first dragon warrior. now it takes me 2-3 hours using emulator speedup.

i think the psx era is when my motivation started to dwindle, there just wasn't good stuff out and i feel like i gotta learn a new battle system every time i play a new one, which will usually have an aspect of brokenness to it.

i guess that's why i prefer tried-and-true systems with a bit of refinement, like DQ, or american rpgs which have gameplay systems that seem more tested.

also i started to see cliches manifest themselves over and over and it just got worse in the ps2 generation. it's why i stopped watching anime. so it's tough for me to really invest the time in an rpg. it also doesn't help that i prefer more competitive games nowadays.

p3 became a bit of a chore to finish, but i'm really enjoying p4. again, i like mysteries and the story kinda grabbed me. the gameplay is way more refined and much smoother in every way, i don't get BS deaths as much as i did in p3, the dungeon is integrated with the story, the s.links intertwine with each other... etc.

Mudo...Hama...ahhh! :)

[Mr. Beef]

RPGs are the maing genre I play, aside from fighters. Both have so much depth.

[JEKKI]

I got into RPGs when I saw my cousin playing Chrono Trigger back in 95... the game was CRAZY!!

still is, best game ever.

before that the only RPG I played was I think Faxanadu for NES?? I didnt understand it and prolly didnt like it, but most likely due to the fact that I was hella dumb as a kid. Or maybe the game does indeed suck.

I didnt like Bionic Commando as a kid either, I didnt understand how u cant jump, and if you try shooting your gun the whole stage goes into alarm mode and kills you.

so at least in 95 I was smart enough to read and think

[Z_meista]

finished chrono trigger a few days ago. it was freakin' awesome.

[depascal22]

I didn't get into video game RPGs until Final Fantasy VIII. I tried to like VII but it just isn't my cup of tea.

Before that, I was into pen and paper RPGs like Rifts.

[ChibiJosh]

Probably about 90% of all the games I've ever played have been RPGs. The only other genre that I really play often are platformers.

I just got The World Ends with You over the weekend, and I just finished it earlier today. It was zetta awesome, or perhaps yotta awesome. Did this and FF4 drop to $30, or did I just happen to get lucky and get it on sale? I hope Chrono Trigger drops to $30 after not too long.

[Mr. Beef]

How does World Ends play like, combat-wise? I'm still on the fence, but if it plays well, then I might bite.

[kainzero]

How does World Ends play like, combat-wise? I'm still on the fence, but if it plays well, then I might bite.
one hand uses the stylus to destroy your touchscreen, the other hand mashes the d-pad

if you don't have a screenguard, get one because your touchscreen will look like crap afterwards

it's a decent system but lends itself to too much mashing and overpowered pins

edit: oh yeah
hama and mudo are such bs, luckily i never got hit by it in p4 and auto-resurrect after battles helps me save money on revival beads

speaking of saving money
i don't think i've ever bought armor in p4 yet

[ChibiJosh]

How does World Ends play like, combat-wise? I'm still on the fence, but if it plays well, then I might bite.

It's extremely unique, and take awhile to get used to, but it's good.

Use control the main character on the touch screen and use pins to do various attacks. Each pin has a different method of attack such as tap the screen or slash the enemy, etc.
Your partner is on the top screen and you use the direction buttons to have them attack. And, you have a combo map that you have to sorta navigate, but they're simple and you can get by just hitting right over and over. Your partner actually will go on autopilot too, so you can pretty much ignore it. I ignored it until almost the end of the game.
There's a lot more subtleties, but that's a pretty good overview.

[js1]

I've always liked RPG's but my interest has waned over the past few years because of having limited gaming time. The last RPG I finished was Shadow Hearts:Convent, which I loved! Although I have sunk 40+ hours into Fallout 3 until my ps3 died. I still have a ps2 I think I will start up Persona 3 or finish Yakuza 1 or start FFXII. I could also start No More Heroes on the Wii. Any suggestions? Also Should I play Persona 3 fes instead of Persona 3?

[62t]

I've always liked RPG's but my interest has waned over the past few years because of having limited gaming time. The last RPG I finished was Shadow Hearts:Convent, which I loved! Although I have sunk 40+ hours into Fallout 3 until my ps3 died. I still have a ps2 I think I will start up Persona 3 or finish Yakuza 1 or start FFXII. I could also start No More Heroes on the Wii. Any suggestions?

I would finish Yakuza first, and you cant go wrong with the other games

[Mr. Beef]

one hand uses the stylus to destroy your touchscreen, the other hand mashes the d-pad

if you don't have a screenguard, get one because your touchscreen will look like crap afterwards

it's a decent system but lends itself to too much mashing and overpowered pins

edit: oh yeah
hama and mudo are such bs, luckily i never got hit by it in p4 and auto-resurrect after battles helps me save money on revival beads

speaking of saving money
i don't think i've ever bought armor in p4 yet

It's extremely unique, and take awhile to get used to, but it's good.

Use control the main character on the touch screen and use pins to do various attacks. Each pin has a different method of attack such as tap the screen or slash the enemy, etc.
Your partner is on the top screen and you use the direction buttons to have them attack. And, you have a combo map that you have to sorta navigate, but they're simple and you can get by just hitting right over and over. Your partner actually will go on autopilot too, so you can pretty much ignore it. I ignored it until almost the end of the game.
There's a lot more subtleties, but that's a pretty good overview.
Seems weird, but strangely enough, right up my alley. :-k

[kainzero]

you know what though? rise + teddie are way better than fuuka.

especially rise
especially when she squeals

also p4 is getting to be one of the few games where i prefer the male supporting cast over the female ones. when personality wins over boobs and ass then damn, really. that's terrible. rise might do it for me though.

[Jest]

Really? I thought Yosuke was annoying, and I don't really like Kanji. Teddie is my favourite, Chie and Naoto are close though.

[JEKKI]

Teddy's gone boneless!!

[Rei no Otaku]

I can't be the only one who likes P3 more than P4.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

I can't be the only one who likes P3 more than P4.

You are.

[Jest]

Teddy's gone boneless!!


Thats gotta be one of the best lines in the game.

[whoknows]

I can't be the only one who likes P3 more than P4.

I do too.

[Mr. Beef]

I think Dead of Knight likes 3 more than 4, as well.

[suko_32]

I need more time to form an opinion on which I like better, but I do know I like P4's (normal) battle music much more. It's so catchy!

[Mr. Beef]

So far, I like the music, battle system, and characters in P4 more than P3. Yosuke especially, since (at least to me) he doesn't seem NEARLY as clingy as Junpei did.

[JEKKI]

I like them both! theyre different, I dont really feel one is better than another.

too bad, I havent played P4 since monday :cry: I've been playing a bit of DQIV here and there tho.

great game! I'm on chapter 5 now! I've only recruited the first group of doods with me tho, and am at like 13 hours

[Rodimus]

I always thought P3's characters were too serious. Junpei was the only one to lighten up the mood, while everyone else was too busy acting like 40 year olds.

I'm getting near the end of P4 and I see what you guys are talking about be depressed. I don't want the game to end.

Afterward I was thinking about replaying DDS. It's the only SMT game where I didn't do all the extra stuff.

[Jest]

Fuck. I'm really close to the end of P4 and I'm burning out. This happens to me on almost every RPG I play. I get to the final dungeon and I just can't be bothered to finish it. Most recently with Chrono Trigger and FFIII on the DS.

[pete5883]

I dunno, P3 and P4 are about even to me. P4 brought a lot of improvements, but P3 did it first.

[MSI Magus]

I can't be the only one who likes P3 more than P4.

I am split. Persona 4 seems to have a more detailed plot and a lot of its gameplay elements are better such as the abilty to warp around and control all your characters in battle. However I found myself liking Persona 3's cast more and the story more since all of it didnt feel so goofy. It feels like P4 has to constantly crack stupid jokes and make the kids out to be kids playing detective vs high schoolers really trying to accomplish a serious task. Junpei was my fav character exactly because he was goofy.....but even he didnt creep around acting like a dumb ass when things got serious. I am all for goofiness....just don't make it constant.

I like both games....I am just kind of torn because P4 is clearly the better game....but I find myself liking many parts of P3 better. Still early in the game though.

[Krymner]

I definitely like the gameplay in P4 more than P3. The dungeons and setting is better too.

I think Persona 4 drew me in more because its story was more interesting, but after awhile it really doesn't go anywhere tho. The "mystery" just keeps dragging on and lacks many of the twists and turns of P3, mainly because you really never have a clear enemy like Strega. There's a lot of drama in P4 to be sure, but nowhere near as much as was in P3. There are no moments in P4 that contend with P3 like the whole Junpei/Chidori romance and especailly Shinji's ultimate sacrifice.

I do like the majority of characters in P4 better tho. That being said, its also hard for me to pick a favorite of the two. But I would have the nod to P4 if I had to choose one, simply because of the gameplay improvements.



Anyway, as for RPGs in genaral, I've loved the genre since I played Final Fantasy 1 back in the NES days of old. My intrest really ramped up in the 16-bit era, where RPGs were over 75% of my gaming collection. However, when the PSX-era began, I almost completly lost intrest in the genre, mainly because of real-life. I think during this era, the only RPGs that I played were the Final Fantasy series, and even those seemed to take me forever to get thru.

Later, I got married and simply didn't have much time to devote to hardly any games. I skipped out on almost all of last gen and really only got back into the genre about 3 years ago after I got divorced. Since then, I've been trying to get caught up. I started with several of the PS1 RPGs (replayed the FF series, plus Chrono Cross, BoF, and the Lunar games) then I've played all the Gamecube RPGs (yes, all 12 of them) and I'm now working my way thru the PS2 games while I try to keep up with the RPGs of the current HD-gen.

[Rei no Otaku]

I always thought P3's characters were too serious. Junpei was the only one to lighten up the mood, while everyone else was too busy acting like 40 year olds..
That's the main reason I prefer P3. P4 just seems way too goofy at times. I liked the more serious and darker nature of P3.

I am split. Persona 4 seems to have a more detailed plot and a lot of its gameplay elements are better such as the abilty to warp around and control all your characters in battle. However I found myself liking Persona 3's cast more and the story more since all of it didnt feel so goofy. It feels like P4 has to constantly crack stupid jokes and make the kids out to be kids playing detective vs high schoolers really trying to accomplish a serious task. Junpei was my fav character exactly because he was goofy.....but even he didnt creep around acting like a dumb ass when things got serious. I am all for goofiness....just don't make it constant.

I like both games....I am just kind of torn because P4 is clearly the better game....but I find myself liking many parts of P3 better. Still early in the game though.
Pretty much exactly how I feel.

[kainzero]

definitely like P4 more than P3

party control is big. i don't trust the ai for anything in a game where you can die in 2-3 hits. and it doesn't lead to mitsuru from casting tentarafoo on bosses and yukari casting diarama instead of mediarama.

storywise P3 fell into so many anime cliches and uses a lot of the horrid typical japanese story-telling style of dropping strange stuff at you and then explaining it later (pharos, as an example). also by design, P3 feels more reactive (wait for full moon) than proactive (pursue the villain in the TV).

[FloodsAreUponUS]

The serious nature of P3 makes it fall flat on its face.

Comedic>Serious.

[Rei no Otaku]

Serious>Comedic.

Japanese comedy always falls flat on its face.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

Serious>Comedic.

Japanese comedy always falls flat on its face.

Have you ever tried to experience any piece of media the Japanese try and make Serious.
It becomes so pretentious of itself that it makes me want to kick kittens.

P3 story was just blah, i never cared for it in the 40+ hours I put into FES. I could not stand that story would only happen at the full moons.

[Rei no Otaku]

I'm a Metal Gear fanboy, of course I know all about pretentious media. I still prefer it to the childish comedy of P4.

[depascal22]

Mass Effect or Lost Odyssey?

[Rei no Otaku]

Mass Effect.

[depascal22]

Yeah, I'm leaning that way but Lost Odyssey was pretty tight for the little bit that I played.

[Rei no Otaku]

Lost Odyssey is good, but Mass Effect was excellent.

[Krymner]

So what would everyone like to see in Persona 5? I'm sure it is just an eventuality, but I do hope they give the series a rest for a couple years.

Some things I'd like to see going forward:

-While the Japanese setting has worked really well and I have enjoyed it, I think it would be neat to have a North American setting. And it doesn't really have to be the US, since Canada would be just as interesting. But a change of setting could lend itself to different gameplay elements and would move the series forward. I kinda feel that if P5 is another Japanese town, it'll be alot of the same.

-DLC. The whole FES content from P3 is one example of how to build upon the series, and by offering additional content via DLC would be cheaper than releasing a retail update. This way people wouldn't be worried like they were when P4 came out about having to rebuy the game like they did with P3 FES.

-Add more stuff to do with more opportunities to do it. Instead of locking us into doing just a couple things to do with only one opportunity in the day to do them in, give us a broader schedule with more things. I think it would be great to go from a "Morning, Afterooon, Evening" schedule to a more traditional clock schedule or something. Yes, it may lead to more micro-management of time and become a little more complicated, but if its done right where you don't feel so pressured for time like you are in P3-4, it could be successful.

These are just a few ideas I would suggest. Most importantly tho, I think, is setting. As much as I love the Japanese setting that has worked so well for P3 and 4, I think they've done just about everything they could with it without it becoming just more of the same.

[Riyonuk]

I never got to play Mass Effect, I can't seem to get pass the lobby, before I get stuck, and the game freezes. It's not my system as it's brand new, as well as the game. Bad programmer bad!

[kainzero]

actually i find that the seriousness of p4 is on par with p3.

i liked yosuke's s.link, which is the only one i've finished
yosuke, kanji, and chie/yukiko had pretty good backstory. rise's was a bit confusing.

the comedy is similar in p3 and p4, never felt like one was goofier than the other

i'm sure if you made the interface of p4 to use less yellow and more of a darker tone you'd think it'd be just as dark as p3.

[MSI Magus]

I never got to play Mass Effect, I can't seem to get pass the lobby, before I get stuck, and the game freezes. It's not my system as it's brand new, as well as the game. Bad programmer bad!

Were you playing with NXE? I have seen a few people complain of this with GTA IV and another game that I cant recall. In both places it was a problem with NXE and if you install the game to your HDD it stops the problem.

[RelentlessRolento]

Serious>Comedic.

Japanese comedy always falls flat on its face.


Golden Boy says otherwise.

[depascal22]

Were you playing with NXE? I have seen a few people complain of this with GTA IV and another game that I cant recall. In both places it was a problem with NXE and if you install the game to your HDD it stops the problem.

Well that just helped me with my decision. I still have a 20gb so I'm not installing anything yet. I'll just go with Lost Odyssey and save Mass Effect for when I get a bigger HDD.

[Rei no Otaku]

i'm sure if you made the interface of p4 to use less yellow and more of a darker tone you'd think it'd be just as dark as p3.
Nope.

[Monsta Mack]

Regardless, the fact that something that would be better then P3 (for those that think P4 is better) and the fact that it can be heavily debated says something about the Persona series. Seriously a lot better then the shit Square-Enix has been putting out lately.

[Jest]

Grah I hate when RPGs throw two bosses in a row at you.

[MSI Magus]

So what would everyone like to see in Persona 5? I'm sure it is just an eventuality, but I do hope they give the series a rest for a couple years.

Some things I'd like to see going forward:

-While the Japanese setting has worked really well and I have enjoyed it, I think it would be neat to have a North American setting. And it doesn't really have to be the US, since Canada would be just as interesting. But a change of setting could lend itself to different gameplay elements and would move the series forward. I kinda feel that if P5 is another Japanese town, it'll be alot of the same.

-DLC. The whole FES content from P3 is one example of how to build upon the series, and by offering additional content via DLC would be cheaper than releasing a retail update. This way people wouldn't be worried like they were when P4 came out about having to rebuy the game like they did with P3 FES.

-Add more stuff to do with more opportunities to do it. Instead of locking us into doing just a couple things to do with only one opportunity in the day to do them in, give us a broader schedule with more things. I think it would be great to go from a "Morning, Afterooon, Evening" schedule to a more traditional clock schedule or something. Yes, it may lead to more micro-management of time and become a little more complicated, but if its done right where you don't feel so pressured for time like you are in P3-4, it could be successful.

These are just a few ideas I would suggest. Most importantly tho, I think, is setting. As much as I love the Japanese setting that has worked so well for P3 and 4, I think they've done just about everything they could with it without it becoming just more of the same.

My main thing is a more serious and less goofy plot with a little more depth to it. Having much better character A.I would be great that way you could choose to let characters think for themselves since they would actually attack an enemies weak spot if it had already been determined. I would like a less structured time scale.....I often feel rushed to get my S.Links done or raise my stats....would preffer a more layed back approach. I also would like S.Links to actually fit the card that reprsents them....for instance why in the bloody hell is the fox hermit?

[willardhaven]

AI is lame, you only play half of Persona 3 and 4 anyway.

I agree about more freedom with time, however I think the dating/social link system is tired now and should be abandoned for P5.

[MSI Magus]

AI is lame, you only play half of Persona 3 and 4 anyway.

I agree about more freedom with time, however I think the dating/social link system is tired now and should be abandoned for P5.

See and I definitely dont want to see it done away with.

[depascal22]

Grah I hate when RPGs throw two bosses in a row at you.

That's RPG Making 101 though. The other thing is when the boss morphes one or two times and you have to keep fighting.

[EXStrike]

Well fuck, I chose the wrong conversation option on one of the quests in The Last Remnant and now I fucked myself out of a quest and the 200g achievement. Goddammit.

I also need to get back to Persona 3 sometime... =X

[Chibi_Kaji]

AI is lame, you only play half of Persona 3 and 4 anyway.

I agree about more freedom with time, however I think the dating/social link system is tired now and should be abandoned for P5.
I'm with MSI Magus, they should keep the SLinks around. Of course I'd like to see them do a little more with them.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

Persona needs to go into hibernation for at least another 5 years.

[MSI Magus]

I'm with MSI Magus, they should keep the SLinks around. Of course I'd like to see them do a little more with them.

Ya I am with you, if anything I want to see more done with them. See them play a little bigger of a role, especially with the main story. Kind of a everything is tied together in some way kind of thing. As for when we see the next Persona I wouldn't mind seeing one next year again already!

[ChibiJosh]

I think Persona 3 and 4 without s.links would be pretty mediocre games. The s.link system gives it that uniqueness that it needs, without it Persona games would just be a run-of-the-mill RPG. That's just my opinion though.

I just started Disgaea 3. I'm not sure what I think about this new system for learning skills. At first I really liked it, but now I realize that I actually have to have my healers and stuff kill enemies to get mana so they can learn better skills which sucks. Another bad thing about it is you have to boost your magic skills in order for it to get a better range it seems. I'm glad story character skills and most monster skills are still obtained through level up though.

I really like the magichange system though. I wish it lasted a little longer though.

[Rodimus]

The S-Link system is so well incorperated with other asspects of gamplay such as battle, esspecially in P4. I like the perks it gives your teammates.

[MSI Magus]

The S-Link system is so well incorperated with other asspects of gamplay such as battle, esspecially in P4. I like the perks it gives your teammates.

Agreed again if anything this is why I would like more S.Links or more depth to them. Not just as I said tying into the story but also make them effect combat slightly more(such as let it let your charcters add skills or skill slots to their persona).

[DQT]

Any of you guys been to the official FFXIII website? The music is gorgeous. I'm pretty sure Square Enix has enough stellar composers to last to Final Fantasy XX. I really think letting Uematsu (as fantastic as he is) move on from the series was a great decision. He really needed a break from the series.

[Rei no Otaku]

Any of you guys been to the official FFXIII website? The music is gorgeous. I'm pretty sure Square Enix has enough stellar composers to last to Final Fantasy XX. I really think letting Uematsu (as fantastic as he is) move on from the series was a great decision. He really needed a break from the series.
Most people know I'm no fan of Uematsu, but ever since he left that series his music has finally started to improve.

[willardhaven]

I like S.Links, I just would prefer they try something new for their next game.

I want to see SMT 4 before any more Persona though.

[MSI Magus]

I like S.Links, I just would prefer they try something new for their next game.

I want to see SMT 4 before any more Persona though.

See and I would preffer to see many more Persona's to ANY SMT since that series had no story and the difficulty was brutal. It was like taking old school DQ or FF games and then ramping it up. You put a plot in place just to hold the game play together then try and torture the player.

[kainzero]

i'm approaching november in p4. man this game seems short for some reason, even though i'm 40 hours in... as in, plotwise it feels short? if that makes sense. my death count has been relatively low, either 2 or 3.

maybe it's me but i have like 4-5 fire personas, and they're all different arcana. unbalanced?

[FloodsAreUponUS]

Most people know I'm no fan of Uematsu, but ever since he left that series his music has finally started to improve.

Thats because its no Uematsu. Its Hamazu.

[Rei no Otaku]

Thats because its no Uematsu. Its Hamazu.
I don't get what you mean. Yes, Hamazu is better than Uematsu. He's better by a lot...

[FloodsAreUponUS]

I don't get what you mean. Yes, Hamazu is better than Uematsu. He's better by a lot...

I meant its Hamazu not Uematsu.
Typo.

But hes not better then Uematsu.

[Rodimus]

The last FF soundtrack I loved was FFXI. I've always enjoyed Uematsu's music but I don't go out and buy soundstracks like I used to.

[kainzero]

the only ffxi track i remember was rolanberry, which was awesome. but other than that i pretty much replaced all the music in the game when i played it.

[Krymner]

Finally finished with Persona 4. I'm gonna take a break from RPGs for a couple weeks now. I'm feeling kinda burned out.

[Rei no Otaku]

I meant its Hamazu not Uematsu.
Typo.

But hes not better then Uematsu.
Yeah he is. In fact he's leagues above Uematsu.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

Yeah he is. In fact he's leagues above Uematsu.

In fact hes not.

We arent gonna get anywhere with this argument. I mean you love that shit that makes me wanna punch babies and have angry sex with giraffes.
I mean J-Pop.

[pete5883]

What has Hamazu done other than Dirge of Cerberus? I don't think I've heard him in much.

[Rei no Otaku]

Saga Frontier 2, Unlimited Saga, and he's contributed on a number of other games like FFX and Tobal.

[Rodimus]

They never made Digital Devil Saga guide for the U.S. did they?

[Mr. Beef]

So how long is Suikoden 1? I was contemplating nabbing it on PSN, but I never played any of the series before, so I don't know what I'm getting into.

[Rodimus]

^According to the "How long does it take to beat this game" thread, around 25-40 hours. Sounds about right.

[62t]

They never made Digital Devil Saga guide for the U.S. did they?

nope

[Rodimus]

nope

I wonder why? Maybe cause it was released in 2 parts.

[62t]

I wonder why? Maybe cause it was released in 2 parts.

It was up to double jump I guess and the figure it isnt worth it. Many other Atlus games didnt get a guide.

[fatbeer]

I remember Doublejump was deciding wither or not to make a guide for Digital Saga. But they decided not to do it, since the contents wasn't enough. Most of high risk rpg such as Altus was published by Prima. Most of them net a pretty penny consider it's low volume to begin with such as Brigandine, Breath of Fire, Thousand Arms, Suikoden, Valkyrie Profile, Star Ocean, Skies of Arcadia, Persona 2 ,and other assorted guides. Their rpg writer division is pretty good, despite the many negative comments regarding their other guides.

[MSI Magus]

So how long is Suikoden 1? I was contemplating nabbing it on PSN, but I never played any of the series before, so I don't know what I'm getting into.

I take longer then most people to beat RPGs and I can finish that game with everything in 20 hours. If you play through without a guide trying to find every charcter MAYBE you can squeeze 40 hours out of it. But I bet most people are 15-25 hours.

[js1]

I would finish Yakuza first, and you cant go wrong with the other games

Thanks! I forgot how much fun I had when playing Yakuza. I'm about 1/2 way done now. What should I play next? FFXII, ZOE2, Xenosaga 3, Persona 3 Yakuza 2?

[MSI Magus]

Thanks! I forgot how much fun I had when playing Yakuza. I'm about 1/2 way done now. What should I play next? ZOE 2nd Runner, FFXII, Persona 3?

Well Persona 3 is by far the best game of those. ZoE should be your choice if you want more action based, Persona 3 if you want a good grind and a lot of interaction with other characters and FFXII should be what you play if you want something focused more on game play the story(trying to be fair to XII but I cant think of a reason to recommend it).

[depascal22]

I liked Final Fantasy XII but I'd still play Persona 3 first.

[kainzero]

i liked ff12's battle system because it was all about strategy and how you can set it and forget it, because RPGs have such simple systems nowadays...

[Rodimus]

I started playing Fable 2 a few nights ago and I gotta say, I like it. Besides Mass Effect I tend to dislike western RPGs. I hated Fallout 3, and I really tried to like it. After getting burned I decided not to give Fable 2 a shot. My bro gave me his copy and found myself enjoying it instantly. Once I play it more I may hit you guys up for some questions.

[ninja dog]

I wonder why? Maybe cause it was released in 2 parts.

I think I read something that they felt the game wasn't complex enough to justify a guide. I can sorta see that. It's extremely linear, no fusion, and no secrets. You just have to learn the battle system to win.

otoh, they made one for Genji and Castlevania...maybe Sony and Konami offered them big bucks or something.

[depascal22]

I think they make guides for games that they think will sell well. Castlevania will always do well and Genji was supposed to be the next great Dynasty Warriors type game.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

Thanks! I forgot how much fun I had when playing Yakuza. I'm about 1/2 way done now. What should I play next? FFXII, ZOE2, Xenosaga 3, Persona 3 Yakuza 2?

Yakuza 2.
Light 1 2on Fire.
Worship ZOE2 and the greatest game mechanic ever, Zero Shift.

[Jest]

Oh yeah. I finished Persona 4 last night, for real this time. Got the good ending. I definitely feel accomplished. What a great game. I need to find time to go back and play Persona 3 now since I only got about 40 hours into that.

[willardhaven]

I'm beginning to get hyped for Star Ocean 4... I have to say the Xbox 360 is currently winning my favor with its $199 price tag and its JRPGs.

[suko_32]

I just hope it's good.

Edit: Sorry if I implied that SO games arn't good cause that wasn't my intention. It's more like lately the Square-Enix RPG's on 360 haven't been A titles if you know what I'm trying to say.

[willardhaven]

Well I happen to think Star Ocean is very good series based on Second Story and Till the End of Time. I'm not naive though and I recognize TtEoT's flaws and negative popular reception.

I don't think it will be a hit, I do think it will satisfy fans of the series.

[pete5883]

Ok, Eternal Sonata rant:

This game is a lot of fun, when it isn't broken. There really needs to be a pause between your players turn. They give you a certain amount of time for your turn, but sometimes jamming on triangle will let you squeeze in a special move even though your time is up. Other times, jamming on triangle will do nothing, and instead cause the next character's turn to be completely wasted, because you hit triangle at the beginning. So the character stands there, attacking nothing :wall:

Second, I wasted about a half hour of my life losing to some asshole named "Tuba." It's nice that the game allows you to block to reduce your damage, but it isn't nice that missing a single block against this one boss means he can hit you several times unblocked, almost certainly killing you.

Third, yes the light and dark battle system is cool, but it's not cool when all the enemies, who are near-invulnerable while in the dark, either start out in the dark, or use their first turn to immediately walk into the dark. It would be cool if you could knock them out of it, but not every character has a knock-back attack, and even if they do, you'd have to be attacking from just the right angle, and from some angles your attacks will just get blocked.

I'm in chapter 2, and I like that instead of saving the world, I'm just going to talk to someone about taxes. But goddamn does this game love throwing the JRPG gameplay cliches at you - I just had to rescue some kid for no reason before progressing, I got thrown in jail for no reason, and I inexplicably run across a boss monster, no matter how irrelevant to the story, at the end of every area. I'm sure I'll soon be going into the mountains to get an herbal cure for some disease, and collecting elemental orbs to save the world.

But Viola? :drool::drool:

[depascal22]

Eternal Sonata does the battle system pretty well and it's pretty realistic when you think about it. If someone comes along with a really big attack that you don't block, do you think you'll just be able to snap back and start blocking all the other attacks in the string?

I do agree with you about the special attacks being a little wonky though but it adds a little challenge to the whole thing. The only time I didn't like it is when I wanted to pull something off with the guy I'm using but the special attack for my next guy came out at the beginning of his/her turn and I didn't get to build up stars for a Harmony Chain.

Did they refine the system at all for the PS3 or is that the version you're playing, pete?

[Rodimus]

I just hope it's good.

Edit: Sorry if I implied that SO games arn't good cause that wasn't my intention. It's more like lately the Square-Enix RPG's on 360 haven't been A titles if you know what I'm trying to say.

I agree, but I wouldn't restrict it to just this generation, for me it's been the last several years. The last Square-Enix RPG I beat was Valkyrie Profile 2 way back in 06'.

With that said SO4 does look promising. I loved SO2 on the PS1 but hated SO3 and I really REALLY tried to like it.

[pete5883]

Eternal Sonata does the battle system pretty well and it's pretty realistic when you think about it. If someone comes along with a really big attack that you don't block, do you think you'll just be able to snap back and start blocking all the other attacks in the string?

I guess it's realistic, but it's a 3 hit combo. So if I fail to block the first combo, I'm not allowed to block the 2nd. And 2 is enough to kill me.

Did they refine the system at all for the PS3 or is that the version you're playing, pete?
Yeah, I'm playing PS3. And I think I read they upped the difficulty in this version?

[Jest]

How long is Eternal Sonata?

Also, anyone know anything about the FFXIII battle system?


BTW, this thread is like going to a Persona 4 avatar convention.

[pete5883]

How long is Eternal Sonata?

Also, anyone know anything about the FFXIII battle system?
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173438 says 25-35.

I thought I heard a while back that FFXIII would be a progression from FFX's battle system, but from the latest news I think they changed their mind.

[Jest]

I just hope it isn't FFXII again. I didn't really like switching out the characters in FFX either. I didn't feel as connected to the characters. They all felt like tools, and would only be used in certain situations.

I might actually try to pick up Eternal Sonata if its around $30 or lower. The demo was good enough, and I prefer my games shorter now-a-days.

[SL4IN]

Played straight through Dragon Warrior I between yesterday and today, took all of 8 hours to finish. Taking a small break before I tackle DWII.

[JEKKI]

werd. I beat Persona 4 finally!!

now I can finally play a new game!

for Dreamcast... Grandia II!!

[Over easy]

Finished with Fable 2 on Friday. I would go back to Fallout 3 or ToV, but I just don't feel like playing a JRPG or playing with the wasteland setting. The wasteland background seems to depressing after playing through Fable 2.

I think I'll finally start GTA IV as a break between RPGs.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

I just hope it isn't FFXII again. I didn't really like switching out the characters in FFX either. I didn't feel as connected to the characters. They all felt like tools, and would only be used in certain situations.

I might actually try to pick up Eternal Sonata if its around $30 or lower. The demo was good enough, and I prefer my games shorter now-a-days.

From what I know about FF13, which is not a hell of alot until the demo hits, its that FF13 will be a mix of Xenosaga 3, Chrono Trigger, and FF12, and FF10.

Thank god for no more random encounters, I am so done with that bullshit.

[depascal22]

Eternal Sonata took me over 40 hours but I grinded in the optional dungeon at the end for several hours.

If you're dying after a three hit combo, you didn't level up enough.

[pete5883]

If you're dying after a three hit combo, you didn't level up enough.
It wasn't one combo, it was several. Not blocking the first made subsequent combos unblockable.

[willardhaven]

How does everyone here feel about Valkyrie Profile (PS1)? Does it control as well as Star Ocean 2 (PS1)?

[Chibi_Kaji]

The more I hear about people beating P4 the worse I feel for not playing it lately. At this point I think I may just restart the game and plan out my grinding better.

[Jest]

You should feel guilty. How far are you in?

[SL4IN]

I haven't picked up P4 yet >_<

[suko_32]

I'm about to finish P4 in 2-3 hours or tomorrow!

[ChibiJosh]

I finished Disgaea 3 tonight. Is it wrong that I never manage to level a character to level 100 in any of the Disgaea games? My highest level in 3 was 76.

[kainzero]

How does everyone here feel about Valkyrie Profile (PS1)? Does it control as well as Star Ocean 2 (PS1)?
VP1 is great.

It's not real time like SO2. Well, it sort of is, but basically you have your turn, each character is assigned a button. You can press the buttons and do combos and stuff. Then when your turn is over, it's the opponent's turn to do whatever craziness they wanna do.

This isn't the best description, but it'll do.

Replaying P4 after bad end is tiring me out. I wanna start ToS2 even though I don't think it'll be good anyway.

[pete5883]

Replaying P4 after bad end is tiring me out. I wanna start ToS2 even though I don't think it'll be good anyway.

Starting all over again was a bad idea.

[Rei no Otaku]

I wanna start ToS2 even though I don't think it'll be good anyway.
It's not good.

[Chibi_Kaji]

You should feel guilty. How far are you in?
I'm at the Rise Dungeon. I need to do a lot of grinding to get ready for the boss.

It's not good.
Listen to this man. He speaks the truth.

[depascal22]

I started Radiata Stories and then promptly stopped. It's just not that great of a game so far. Does it get better? If not, it's going to estarland.com.

[Rei no Otaku]

It doesn't. One of the worst RPGs I've played.

[Chibi_Kaji]

I agree. I have no idea how I ever finished that game the first time...

[depascal22]

Thanks, guys. I'll take the $9 and run. It's going towards Street Fighter IV.

[Jest]

I'd say your early enough to restart P4. If restarting just doesn't feel fun, finish the games and replay with a newgame+. I hear the extra boss and dungeon is intense.

[Chibi_Kaji]

That's why I'll probably restart. I'll probably get there in half the time it took me the first time around. But before I do that I might finish Valkyria Chronicles before the DLC for that comes out.

[willardhaven]

Radiata Stories has great art design and a lot of character, I'd say only Persona 3 and 4 have comparable design.

Gameplay was a bit odd and easy though.

[Jest]

I need to restart Valkyria Chronicles. It's too hard for my feeble mind.

Easy mode will be my saviour.

[whoknows]

Radiata Stories has great art design and a lot of character, I'd say only Persona 3 and 4 have comparable design.

Gameplay was a bit odd and easy though.

Radiata Stories was easily my favorite RPG last gen...and probably curren favorite since nothing great has come out yet.

It's just such a cool game.

[pete5883]

Radiata Stories was kind of :puke: for me.
zzzz story + :baby: characters = thumbs down.

[MSI Magus]

Radiata Stories was kind of :puke: for me.
zzzz story + :baby: characters = thumbs down.

Raditia Stories was kind of barfy to everyone. Hit metacritic, gamerankings and gamefaqs. Both the critics and the average gamer agree its below average at best. Only people I have seen like it are people that have a habit of liking games like it and Saga that are below average and really quirky/outside the main stream(kind of like kids that say every movie but a C ranked horror movie is bad).