General Role-Playing Game Thread

[Jest]

Do you guys remember Threads of Fate? Was that game every bit as awesome as I remember it? Wish I could get my hands on it again.

[MSI Magus]

Do you guys remember Threads of Fate? Was that game every bit as awesome as I remember it? Wish I could get my hands on it again.

Meh it was ok, I still have it in my collection and played it not that long ago. Was another C game from the era but it atleast aged better then many others.

[Chibi_Kaji]

Do you guys remember Threads of Fate? Was that game every bit as awesome as I remember it? Wish I could get my hands on it again.
I rented that years ago and had some fun with it.

[suko_32]

Do you guys remember Threads of Fate? Was that game every bit as awesome as I remember it? Wish I could get my hands on it again.

I thought it was great when it came out, but probably only a decent game at this point.

[suko_32]

Double post but who cares!

I just beat Persona 4 and it is definitely one of my favorite games to have come out last year. By beat I do mean True Ending as well as seeing the others either by game or youtube.

[MSI Magus]

I just got a weird email from Atlus. All it contained was a single image of a shadow standing against a wall that said Shin Megami Tensei. Hopefully this is an early annoucnement of Persona 5 ;)

Image I spoke of. Personally I think it looks like the Kool Aid Man OOOOO YEAH!
http://www.atlus.com/res/untitled_b.jpg

[Rei no Otaku]

I'm guessing Devil Summoner 2.

[Dr Mario Kart]

It could just the US announcement for Devil Survivor.

[JEKKI]

I donno if this was posted anywhere but...

http://www.square-enix.co.jp/fabula/ff13/

new FFXIII trailer looks real good!!

hype!

also Arc Rise Fantasia screens on IGN

http://media.wii.ign.com/media/827/827196/imgs_1.html

more hype!

[sundaysuit]

hey, actual gameplay this time!
what type of battle system did it look like to you guys?

are the following any good:
Mana Khemia
Ar Tonelico
Makai Kingdom
Atelier Iris 1-3
?

[suko_32]

hey, actual gameplay this time!
what type of battle system did it look like to you guys?

are the following any good:
Mana Khemia
Ar Tonelico
Makai Kingdom
Atelier Iris 1-3
?

Strangely I've played everything up there and it just depends on the person.

[Rei no Otaku]

Ar Tonelico is awesome.

[heavyd853]

Do you guys remember Threads of Fate? Was that game every bit as awesome as I remember it? Wish I could get my hands on it again.

I loved that game so much when I rented it around the time of release, but I couldn't find it for ever!

Same thing happened with final fantasy tactics, until it went to greatest hits.

[fatbeer]

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Do you guys remember Threads of Fate? Was that game every bit as awesome as I remember it? Wish I could get my hands on it again.

I beat that game a year ago. Like most early 3d games, it aged horribly. The visual are eye sore. Camera is ok at best. It's still fun to play, but not as great as it used to be. The same goes for Brave Fencer Musashi.


hey, actual gameplay this time!
what type of battle system did it look like to you guys?

are the following any good:
Mana Khemia
Ar Tonelico
Makai Kingdom
Atelier Iris 1-3
?

Those are all Gust games. I don't know why you dump in Makai Kingdom. Perhaps, listing games published by NIS? As for combat, it all depends on your taste. For most part, the later ones like Mana Khemia refine mechanics and combat system. The most noticeable change in later installment is the pick up of raw materials for alchemy. In old versions, you have to press x to pick them up. In newer version, raw materials are automatically added to your inventory when you walk on them.


I don't remember the combat system for Atelier Iris 1 or 2. The last time I play those games was near release date. In Atelier Iris 3, there is team gauge meter for magical attacks. You can fill the gauge by attacking enemies, taking advantage of their weakness or take damage. Ar Tonelico you can junction vary skills or abilities to your equipment. During combat, there's a summoner by your side. Summoners can give varies effects that will aid you in battle. Mana Khemia is more similar to Final Fantasy X. You can switch you party on fly, and skill/stat boosting system is similar to sphere grid, except you need the power of alchemy to unlock various abilities.

[depascal22]

I started Atelier Iris but it didn't grab me in the first couple hours so I dumped it.

Isn't Makai Kingdom kind of like Phantom Brave and Stella Deus?

[Chacrana]

hey, actual gameplay this time!
what type of battle system did it look like to you guys?

are the following any good:
Mana Khemia
Ar Tonelico
Makai Kingdom
Atelier Iris 1-3
?

Nope.

Mana Khemia actually put me to sleep. No game has done that before.

[Rodimus]

What RPGs are you guys playing now?

Right now I'm at the end of Eternal Sonata. I think the concept is great but the story is horrendous. It's very linear which isn't a bad thing but I normally when they skimp on exploration the focus is moved torwards the story. But this was not the case. I feel like halfway through the story took a hiatus.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

Playing the first Ar Tonelico, and thinking about playing more Valkyria Chronicles.
I want to give it another chance.

[MSI Magus]

What RPGs are you guys playing now?

Right now I'm at the end of Eternal Sonata. I think the concept is great but the story is horrendous. It's very linear which isn't a bad thing but I normally when they skimp on exploration the focus is moved torwards the story. But this was not the case. I feel like halfway through the story took a hiatus.

I just started Mass Effect and I am thinking of doubling it up with The world ends without you. Not sure if I will though since Mass Effecti is supposed to be a huge time sink and I am already playing Peggle Nights, Civ Revolution and Beautiful Katamari on the side....and space invaders extreme(almost forgot that one).

Anyone else find they cant replay RPGs the way they used to? I started Star Ocean 2 on the PSP when it came out the other day and lost interest in the first half hour. I used to LOVE that game and played it like 30 times over a few years(no exaggeration I really probably did play it like 20-30 times). Same thing has happened with FFIV, CT and a lot of other games. I don't think its that they haven't held up over time either....think I just cant replay games anymore.

[Chibi_Kaji]

Anyone else find they cant replay RPGs the way they used to? I started Star Ocean 2 on the PSP when it came out the other day and lost interest in the first half hour. I used to LOVE that game and played it like 30 times over a few years(no exaggeration I really probably did play it like 20-30 times). Same thing has happened with FFIV, CT and a lot of other games. I don't think its that they haven't held up over time either....think I just cant replay games anymore.
I never really replayed RPGs all that much. Off the top of my head I can only thing of 5 I have done that with. The most recent one was Mass Effect.

[Rodimus]

I don't give too many RPGs a second run through. With that said I think I played Chrono Trigger the most. Must've beatin' that about 6 or 7 times.

Couldn't imagine playing Star Ocean 2 more the twice. Too much grinding.

[MSI Magus]

The ones that seem the easiest to play are action RPGs. I find as I get older I like the action based games more and more and turn based less and less. They just keep things going at a much faster pace.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

The only RPG I ever played through twice is FF7.

Although I am thinking of hunting down a copy of Final Fantasy X International and playing through it again.

Does anyone know if someone is going to translate 12 International?

[depascal22]

I've never played an RPG twice. It's just not worth the time to sink another 60+ hours into a game that I've already played.

[keithp]

I find it hard enough to beat a RPG once, let alone twice. Usually I shelve it and come back later and have no idea what's going on.

So I'm playing FFXII right now- I'm through the Feywood and at the wall/gate sealed by magic with all the heiroglyphs on the ground. Anyone know how far in I am? Halfway? Just wondering.

[Moxio]

I've replayed many RPGs several times; FF7 at least 4-5 times, FFXII twice, Persona 3 three times, Chrono Trigger twice, Golden Sun 1/2 three times, etc.

[Chacrana]

Yeah, it takes me a while to do it, but I typically will go back to a good RPG a few years down the road.

[62t]

I replayed FFVI, Mario RPG, Earthbound more than once

[Krymner]

I'll replay RPGs after a few years. In 2007-2008 I replayed all the classic Final Fantasy series, from 1-9. In 2006 I can remember replaying Lufia 1 and 2 on my SNES. Often, I'll replay a game that I liked that has been remade, like Dragon Quest IV and Chrono Trigger for the DS. I've replayed several srategy-RPGs within the last couple years, like Fire Emblem: Sacred Stones on the GBA and Gladius on the Cube.

A couple of RPGs that I've beaten within the last few years that I'm looking forward to replaying in a year or three are Tales of Symphonia and Persona 3.

[G33]

I rarely beat RPGs more than once. I've tried, but I usually end up not finishing it.

The only RPG I've beat twice is Riviera: The Promised Land. I think it's because it's impossible to randomly stop and wander off in that game. For example, of the 93 hours I've sunk into Tales of Vesperia, I think 27 of that came after I walked away from the entrance to the final boss to go do sidequests and get achievements. I have a tendency to do that in any game, which probably causes burnout.


are the following any good:
Mana Khemia
Ar Tonelico
Makai Kingdom
Atelier Iris 1-3
?

If you're going to try any, the best of those would be Atelier Iris 1 or Mana Khemia. Makai Kingdom is also good, although it's a different type of game from the other five.

I compare these games to Madden. If you play any of these games for a few hours and enjoy it, beat the game, and still enjoy it, then you're probably safe picking up any and/or all of them in the same way that a Madden gamer buys the new version every year.

[DQT]

Most of the games I've replayed are ones with New Game+. For most games, if I'm going to do 2 playthroughs, I do them consecutively and move on. I guess it's mainly because I want to see and get everything from a game rather than an actual desire to experience the same game again.

Although I like Pokemon and that essentially is replaying the same game over and over again.

I can't imagine replaying games nowadays though just due to the sheer volume of games coming out.

[heavyd853]

FFVII: 6-7 times
FFVIII: probably 5
X: 3?
XII: once

I didn't get alot of games when I was younger, FFVIII was a birthday present and VII was a random pickup by my mom with xenogears and marvel superheroes. Must have been a badass sale.

My mom kicks ass!

[StarKnightX]

RPGs I'm playing now. Working on Persona 3 FES still. Started it back at the end of December/early January and kinda got side tracked. Now I've picked it back up and hope to stick with it. After that I'm planning to move onto Lost Odyssey.

As far as replaying RPGs go , I don't do it as much now , partly cause I don't think I've actually fully finished an RPG in a couple years , but in the past I have replayed quite a few.

FF4 , 6 , 7 and 8 have all been beaten several times. Chrono Trigger , and FFT as well. SMRPG I think I've beaten at least twice. Also the original Pokemon games (Red/Blue/Yellow).

[Mr. Beef]

Most of the games I owned at one point were all RPGs, so I had nothing to do but replay them all. Since I'm so used to it, it's really a matter of how good the game actually was.

I stopped midway through FFX though. I just couldn't do it.

[MSI Magus]

FFVII: 6-7 times
FFVIII: probably 5
X: 3?
XII: once

I didn't get alot of games when I was younger, FFVIII was a birthday present and VII was a random pickup by my mom with xenogears and marvel superheroes. Must have been a badass sale.

My mom kicks ass!

Hehe ya I got FFVII for a birthday present as well. My mom picked me up from high school at lunch time and we went out to the mall and picked it up. I convinced her to let me miss the rest of the day of school so I could play......and then skipped the 2 days after that as well ;)

[Ryuukishi]

So I'm playing FFXII right now- I'm through the Feywood and at the wall/gate sealed by magic with all the heiroglyphs on the ground. Anyone know how far in I am? Halfway? Just wondering.
You're actually pretty near the end. There are like two more major dungeons after the Feywood.

[blitz6speed]

After owning FF12 since release, i finally beat it a few minutes ago. Once you learn the gambit system, it really is one of the funnest games ive ever played. The first half is much slower then it should have been because i wasnt setting up my gambits properly, but i checked a guide on gamefaqs and i was way overpowered by the end of the game, level 54 or 55.

Huge A+++ and would love a spiritual successor to FF12 just so i can play another game with the gambit system.

[keithp]

You're actually pretty near the end. There are like two more major dungeons after the Feywood.

Ah, cool, thank you for that! I didn't think I was that close because I've only got 55 hours on my game, and I've heard of people spending upwards of 100 on it. I've still got most of the hunts left to do though.

[CriscoKidd]

I'd like to replay rpgs more than I do, but at the same time I want new games.

Right now I'm actually doing both. I've just barely started Mass Effect. Still getting used to the controls and gameplay, but the story looks awesome.

And the "old" game I'm replaying is the FF4 remake. Played through the original at least 4 times, and I never thought I would touch it again, but the remake is awesome so far(just passed the Antlion). The overhaul makes it just fresh enough to make me want to keep going. I wish FF6 and Chrono Trigger would've gotten the same treatment.


And I love ff12 as well. That is a game I want to go back and play, trying to use the gambits in a different way. Probly be a while before I do that though.

[Rodimus]

Beat Eternal Sonata this morning (thanks depascal22) Near the end it started falling apart. The story didn't wrap up nicley like I was hoping for, it left to much unexplained story. It got too preachy at the end, and while the dialog sounded intelligent it wasn't making any sense with what was going on. And ultimatly there was no great meaning for the journey. Was I saving the world?,,, I have no clue. Very little character development & interaction.

On the positive side it looked sharp, very colorful. The battle system was simple but I liked the fact that it wasn't complex. It's just nice to play a simple RPG every once & awhile. The music was always nice and I liked the concept of the story with a musical theme.

[willardhaven]

I just ordered ES for 22.00 shipped sealed on Half.com. I have been waiting to play this game for years and just ordered a 360 from Dell yesterday.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

After you play ES, get ToV and LO.

Those are the 3 best JRPGs on the 360.

[Chacrana]

After you play ES, get ToV and LO.

Those are the 3 best JRPGs on the 360.

I feel like you should probably just skip ES, though, because while those are the best 3 JRPGs on the 360, there are only 2 good JRPGs on the 360. And those would be ToV and LO.

[willardhaven]

I feel like you should probably just skip ES, though, because while those are the best 3 JRPGs on the 360, there are only 2 good JRPGs on the 360. And those would be ToV and LO.

I've been dying to play ES since it dropped in '07, $20 is a small price to pay to try it.

I'm going to get ToV, Infinite Undiscovery and SO 4.

I played Lost Odyssey and thought it was a mediocre FF VIII knockoff w/ Gears textures. I didn't hate it, but I would rather play the others first.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

Do not play Infinite Undiscovery.

Its the second worst RPG I have ever played.

[willardhaven]

People hated Radiata Stories and I loved it.

It's cheap, I can always trade or resell it.

[Rodimus]

$20 for Eternal Sonata is a fine price. But I agree with Chac, Lost Odyssey & ToV are better games.

I liked Blue Dragon more than ES. It was more polished. However I wasn't a big fan of the characters. My 360 JRPG flow chart would be:
ToV > LO > BD > ES

I haven't played Last Remnent or Infinate Undiscovery yet.

[G33]

I thought Eternal Sonata was interesting enough to spend the 40 or so hours I took to beat it. It was funny how when you beat a boss, they just...disappear. No dramatic dying speeches, no epic death scenes, they just die and that's it. Everyone treats them as if they never existed, and never speaks of them again.

[willardhaven]

I thought Eternal Sonata was interesting enough to spend the 40 or so hours I took to beat it. It was funny how when you beat a boss, they just...disappear. No dramatic dying speeches, no epic death scenes, they just die and that's it. Everyone treats them as if they never existed, and never speaks of them again.

Maybe the characters are aware they're in a JRPG... giant monster bosses are just routine.

[Rollett]

$20 for Eternal Sonata is a fine price. But I agree with Chac, Lost Odyssey & ToV are better games.

I liked Blue Dragon more than ES. It was more polished. However I wasn't a big fan of the characters. My 360 JRPG flow chart would be:
ToV > LO > BD > ES

I haven't played Last Remnent or Infinate Undiscovery yet.

Not missing much with the last two imho.. and i buy just about every RPG that comes out, On a side note i did not care for Eternal Sonata either.

[Rodimus]

I thought Eternal Sonata was interesting enough to spend the 40 or so hours I took to beat it. It was funny how when you beat a boss, they just...disappear. No dramatic dying speeches, no epic death scenes, they just die and that's it. Everyone treats them as if they never existed, and never speaks of them again.

I did the extra dungeon which stacked on about 5 hours, that brought me at 50 hours. But the bosses just simply disappearing was odd. Like when you finally defeat the evil tiny emperor boy, who was built up a a pretty important villian, nothing really happens. The characters move to the next field with no character interaction, and little purpose. I felt the game could've ended there and it would make more sense.

[RelentlessRolento]

how good is the story in the new Culdcept 360 game?

[Razzuel]

how good is the story in the new Culdcept 360 game?

I haven't beat Culdcept yet and I am not sure where I left off because I got sidetracked whenever I was playing it. I should get back into playing it once I finish The Last Remnant.

From what I remember though the story is forgettable.

However, the game itself is kickass. Monopoly + Magic the Gathering = Amazing.

Well since I am already here, I guess I can talk about my experience with The Last Remnant so far. I like the battle system and some of the other quirks that sets the game apart from other RPGs. The story is not great, but so far that is mainly because the story is slow. The only real problems with the game are the framerate during battles and the texture loading.

[Rei no Otaku]

Also Culdcept 360 has one of the cheapest, most cheating AIs I've ever seen.

[Razzuel]

Also Culdcept 360 has one of the cheapest, most cheating AIs I've ever seen.

Haha, yeah I remember that now. They can be assholes. I had to do a couple missions over again because the AI had some "lucky" turns. I guess it is a testament to how awesome the game is though that I kept playing the missions over again if I lost.

[depascal22]

I agree about the Eternal Sonata bosses. There was little rhyme or reason to why you're doing alot of stuff in the game. If it wasn't for the awesome graphics and music, the game would be a C- at best. At that point, you'd only have a decent battle system that gets very frustrating at times. It wasn't the moving command that ever tripped me up, it's the loose transistion between characters. Nothing dumber than letting me go over the clock with a special move certain times and then buffering it into the next character's turn so they start with a special move.

[MSI Magus]

1. Culdcept has a pretty piss poor story. Dont expect soemthing out of a great RPG or some other AAA story telling. Both games stories are just there to give the player a reason to move forward.

2. Yes God damn the cheap A.I in the game. It really does purposely screw you over sometimes.

[fatbeer]

Yeah, Culdcept Saga have dreadful voice acting and story. But if your looking for a good strategy game with Monopoly and Magic the Gathering elements, it's the right game for you. It does suffer a lot pacing problem. Battles can sometimes drag too long; it can drag up to 2-3 hours if things don't go your way.

For me, I never had any problems with the AI. If you know how to play the game properly by using field advantage and equipment, and set expensive tolls near vital choke points of map you should be fine. You can use number dice cards to force your opponent to land on you territory.

The only part I could think that the AI is cheating is those free for all: three way matches with 2 computers(which account for over 50% story mission maps). AI would sometime gang up on you and start crippling your resources. They tend to do that to the person who holds the highest current score. Most of time I purposely place myself in second or third place to avoid that occurrence. But if your lucky(even if your first place), the AI can attack each other constantly ,and score yourself some easy victories.

[MSI Magus]

Yeah, Culdcept Saga have dreadful voice acting and story. But if your looking for a good strategy game with Monopoly and Magic the Gathering elements, it's the right game for you. It does suffer a lot pacing problem. Battles can sometimes drag too long; it can drag up to 2-3 hours if things don't go your way.

For me, I never had any problems with the AI. If you know how to play the game properly by using field advantage and equipment, and set expensive tolls near vital choke points of map you should be fine. You can use number dice cards to force your opponent to land on you territory.

The only part I could think that the AI is cheating is those free for all: three way matches with 2 computers(which account for over 50% story mission maps). AI would sometime gang up on you and start crippling your resources. They tend to do that to the person who holds the highest current score. Most of time I purposely place myself in second or third place to avoid that occurrence. But if your lucky(even if your first place), the AI can attack each other constantly ,and score yourself some easy victories.

Ya when I put the story down that was all I meant was negative the story. The game itself is freaking nirvana.

[depascal22]

I've never played Culdcept but I'd find it kinda hard to really love a game if the story was just pooh.

I mean look at Xenosaga. Great concept. Good graphics. The story was just way too convoluted for me.

I know it's not a RPG but Metal Gear Solid is the number one offender. Everyone loves the series but the story is so crazy that it gets knocked down a notch in my opinion.

[MSI Magus]

I've never played Culdcept but I'd find it kinda hard to really love a game if the story was just pooh.

I mean look at Xenosaga. Great concept. Good graphics. The story was just way too convoluted for me.

I know it's not a RPG but Metal Gear Solid is the number one offender. Everyone loves the series but the story is so crazy that it gets knocked down a notch in my opinion.

Culdcept is like Mario though, faulting it for its story is just wrong. If you dont know what exactly culdcept is its like a virtual board game. You roll dice to move around a board, everytime you pass your castle you get some mana and the mana is spent to summon magical beasts or cast spells. The beasts work like monopoly property except when someone lands on your space instead of simply paying you they have the option to try and kill your monster.

[depascal22]

I understand it's a virtual board game and that's another reason why I'm hesitant to try it. I like to play real board games with other people while I lean more toward the adventure, RPG, and FPS genres for video games.

Games like Culdcept seem to be the anthesis of what RPGs are all about.

[MSI Magus]

I understand it's a virtual board game and that's another reason why I'm hesitant to try it. I like to play real board games with other people while I lean more toward the adventure, RPG, and FPS genres for video games.

Games like Culdcept seem to be the anthesis of what RPGs are all about.

Hmmm well I still say give the game a shot. I have yet to meet an RPGer that has played it and disliked it. Maybe your the exception to the rule, but even so worst comes to worse you trade the game and your out a buck or two.

[SL4IN]

So I finally started playing Final Fantasy IV on the DS since I coulndn't really pull myself to get passed the first ~30 minutes of the game. Enjoying it now, any tips for a first time play through?

[MSI Magus]

So I finally started playing Final Fantasy IV on the DS since I coulndn't really pull myself to get passed the first ~30 minutes of the game. Enjoying it now, any tips for a first time play through?

1. Dont get used to any charcter or invest too much in them. FFIV has charcters join and leave your party like no other!

2. There is a part where Cecil will be your only party member mid game. The next town you enter everyone will hate you. Shortly after you will get 2 characters. If you can guess that this is the part I am talking about level your party pretty well and make sure you have the best equipment and a healing/white rod if you can get one for your casters. The part thats coming up is difficult since most of the enemies are undead and Cecil will only do 1 damage to many of them.

[MSI Magus]

New Growlanser and a remake of the original Persona for the PSP.

http://kotaku.com/5145953/atlus-bringing-persona-and-growlanser-to-psp

If its a straight remake of the first Persona I am not interested. If its updated to have S.Links and the newer battle system then I am highly excited.

[depascal22]

Hopefully, that means Persona 2 will be right behind it.

[Draekon]

New Growlanser and a remake of the original Persona for the PSP.

http://kotaku.com/5145953/atlus-bringing-persona-and-growlanser-to-psp

If its a straight remake of the first Persona I am not interested. If its updated to have S.Links and the newer battle system then I am highly excited.

The Growlanser is a port of the first game (with some added content), but not a new one or a remake. Chances are mild that it will get localized seeing as 2, 3, and the shitty 5 got localized here.

The Persona remake on the other hand, I think we'll see it localized.

[MSI Magus]

Hopefully, that means Persona 2 will be right behind it.

I would be happy to see Persona 2 IS come out in any form. But I would KILL for Persona 2 EP to get a P3/4 styled remake.

[Chibi_Kaji]

A Persona remake might be interesting. Hopefully Atlus doesn't Americanize it again.

[SL4IN]

I thought Persona 1 was already an attempt at Americanization?

[Sarang01]

I understand it's a virtual board game and that's another reason why I'm hesitant to try it. I like to play real board games with other people while I lean more toward the adventure, RPG, and FPS genres for video games.

Games like Culdcept seem to be the anthesis of what RPGs are all about.

It's pure crack. Just give into it already like all the Japanese gamers have learned already. Don't resist! It will only make it WORSE! ;)

[62t]

The Growlanser is a port of the first game (with some added content), but not a new one or a remake. Chances are mild that it will get localized seeing as 2, 3, and the shitty 5 got localized here.

The Persona remake on the other hand, I think we'll see it localized.

Well we didnt get Growlanser 6, and I guess the poor sales of Growlanser V didnt help.

[kainzero]

2. There is a part where Cecil will be your only party member mid game. The next town you enter everyone will hate you. Shortly after you will get 2 characters. If you can guess that this is the part I am talking about level your party pretty well and make sure you have the best equipment and a healing/white rod if you can get one for your casters. The part thats coming up is difficult since most of the enemies are undead and Cecil will only do 1 damage to many of them.
I didn't level up my guys and when I got to the dungeon I realized that I forgot to bring a Tent. I still beat the boss. =D

[JEKKI]

I would be happy to see Persona 2 IS come out in any form. But I would KILL for Persona 2 EP to get a P3/4 styled remake.


that's hella dumb, while we're at it let's remake Street Fighter II in the style of Final Fight.

and Innocent Sin DID come out in "any form"

[MSI Magus]

that's hella dumb, while we're at it let's remake Street Fighter II in the style of Final Fight.

and Innocent Sin DID come out in "any form"

Piss off. Why is it dumb? Just because you prefer P2 as is or some other stupid reason. No reason to be insulting and call it dumb. Guess what, most people prefer P3/4 style and most gamers seem to be pretty sick of the old school style of RPG. So remaking it in the new vein is brilliant not dumb.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

Piss off. Why is it dumb? Just because you prefer P2 as is or some other stupid reason. No reason to be insulting and call it dumb. Guess what, most people prefer P3/4 style and most gamers seem to be pretty sick of the old school style of RPG. So remaking it in the new vein is brilliant not dumb.

Cry Moar.

[MSI Magus]

Cry Moar.

Ermmmm again crying would be whining why my way is right or going on a rant. It aint worth it, just pointing out the simple facts.

[Sarang01]

Yeah MSI like FF6 on DS wouldn't completely butcher the lovely Terra.

Anyone played "Culdcept" on DS yet? Is it worth buying?

[JEKKI]

Piss off. Why is it dumb? Just because you prefer P2 as is or some other stupid reason. No reason to be insulting and call it dumb. Guess what, most people prefer P3/4 style and most gamers seem to be pretty sick of the old school style of RPG. So remaking it in the new vein is brilliant not dumb.it's dumb becoz P2 and P3/4 are completely different games.

like I said, I wouldnt wanna remake Contra into Gears of War,

I wouldnt remake Starcraft into Halo,

etc. etc.

Turning P2 into a game of social links is miles away from a good idea becoz P2 already is a fantastic game.

[62t]

Good news, looks like Atlus is releasing Super Robot Taisen OG Saga

[willardhaven]

it's dumb becoz P2 and P3/4 are completely different games.

like I said, I wouldnt wanna remake Contra into Gears of War,

I wouldnt remake Starcraft into Halo,

etc. etc.

Turning P2 into a game of social links is miles away from a good idea becoz P2 already is a fantastic game.

Maybe he meant just use the P3 engine to remake P2? I'm all about that (as long as they don't add random dungeons and social links).

[62t]

btw if you are wondering about Atlus' upcoming game

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=350357

[MSI Magus]

it's dumb becoz P2 and P3/4 are completely different games.

like I said, I wouldnt wanna remake Contra into Gears of War,

I wouldnt remake Starcraft into Halo,

etc. etc.

Turning P2 into a game of social links is miles away from a good idea becoz P2 already is a fantastic game.

It's dumb because your an ass that cant see that people can like things other then you. Like I said if you like it or not P3 and P4 have hit a larger audience partly because they updated the gameplay style of the games. P2 is already available as is and can be obtained fairly easy, its not that rare. Rereleasing the exact same game even if they updated the graphics would be stupid. However updating it with stuff like the social links and new Persona system would mean many old players like myself would go back and replay it, and it means the new school kids would too.

Also its extremely stupid to try and make it seem like its asking for remaking Starcraft into Halo thats not the case at all. Its like remaking Final Fantasy VII into Crisis Core an idea I have seen many reviewers and gamers mention. Its keeping things in the same genre and keeping the story and heart of the game the same just changing the style of the core game play to an updated and better mechanic. The game would remain the same just improved.

[Chacrana]

Ya just don't get it. To change the games to be like that, you'd have to basically make an entirely new game. It's not an update at that point, and it would have nothing in common with the original, which kinda defeats the purpose. And either way, you strike me as being the ass here, seeing as how clearly, people can't like things that you don't.

[MSI Magus]

Ya just don't get it. To change the games to be like that, you'd have to basically make an entirely new game. It's not an update at that point, and it would have nothing in common with the original, which kinda defeats the purpose. And either way, you strike me as being the ass here, seeing as how clearly, people can't like things that you don't.

You can like stuff I dont, where the hell does that come from? I mean tons of people love MGS which I freaking LOATHE but I think its a quality game. Hell even if something was a crappy game I could give 2 squats less if someone likes it, enjoy what you enjoy bro. So again how am I being an ass when someone calls me stupid for wanting something other then what he does?

On the subject of remaking the game....ummm less you direct port it your going to be remaking the game. You will have to overhaul the graphics, re do some of the text and put a lot of work into it. If your putting a lot of work into a game then why not go ahead and go the extra mile to add s.links and other things that fans of the series have come to know it for? Anyways, done with this. Its starting to be a major time waste. Again like what you like, just dont say I am stupid for saying I would like to see a remake more in the vein of the newer personas which again almost everyone has agreed are superior.

[Chacrana]

You're stupid for it, champ.

[kainzero]

On the subject of remaking the game....ummm less you direct port it your going to be remaking the game. You will have to overhaul the graphics, re do some of the text and put a lot of work into it. If your putting a lot of work into a game then why not go ahead and go the extra mile to add s.links and other things that fans of the series have come to know it for? Anyways, done with this. Its starting to be a major time waste. Again like what you like, just dont say I am stupid for saying I would like to see a remake more in the vein of the newer personas which again almost everyone has agreed are superior.
jekki can call your opinion stupid because he thinks your idea is stupid

if i think toyota should make a car that gets 2mpg because that's what i like and someone calls me stupid, it's fine because that's what i like?

on a more intellecutal level

-ff3 and ff4 got a complete overhaul, not everyone liked them. i dislike both of them.

-systems of one game don't necessarily translate into another even in the same series. materia system in ff6 would piss everyone off even though there are more ff7 fans, "better" mechanics are relative.

-p3 and p4 have different mechanics, yes they both have s.links but minor adjustments to the knockdown system and weakpoints, as well as how to get into combat can greatly affect the game. subtle changes can cause sweeping effects.

-ideas are a dime a dozen in the game industry, unless you're actually in a position of power it's pretty much useless to suggest anything except maybe balance changes. clamoring for a grand change won't do any good and is kinda wishy-washy

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you know what i hate in jrpgs

when they're clearly giving fanservice.
beach scenes and swimsuit tryouts. yeah really, wtf, way to derail the story with cheap sexual stimulation.

also, the random inclusion of supernatural in a normally serious game. i'm looking at you, valkyria chronicles and your lasers coming out of lances in a ww2 setting.

[Mr. Beef]

So lemme see if I got this straight. They want to remake P2 to have the same mechanics as P3/4? Wouldn't that alienate the people who already liked P2?

[keithp]

So lemme see if I got this straight. They want to remake P2 to have the same mechanics as P3/4? Wouldn't that alienate the people who already liked P2?

..because if you played/liked P2 that automatically means you can't/won't be able to play the remake?

[JEKKI]

I think they should remake Persona 2 where the entire game is beach scenes and swimsuit tryouts.

and with lasers coming out of lances in a ww2 setting.

omg that would be my dream game :drool:

[FloodsAreUponUS]

lasers in a lancer?

Pff, ill pass.

Looks like ill be selling my copy of VC.

[Rodimus]

All we need from P2 is the first part: Innocent Sin. They could implement a social link system and I don't think I would complain too much.

But it leaves me thinking how could this be done without changing the story/gameplay? If the answer is "we're switching it over to the daily calender system like in P3 & P4" then I'm against that. But if the S-Links were intergrated into the story, I can be more forgiving. As long as they add and don't take away.

[SL4IN]

Pretty excited about Knights in the Nightmare coming stateside. Anyone else?

[depascal22]

I'd just like to see every PS1 RPG ported to the PSP. They're damn near unplayable on a PS2 hooked up by component to an LCD.

Hell, I'd even take some of the SNES RPGs like Final Fantasy IV-VI, Chrono Trigger, etc. The PSP has become my go to for RPGs since I'm not as worried about burn in with it. It's much easier to replace a PSP than to replace a 32" LCD.

So, I'm getting copies of Final Fantasy I and Tales of the World off of Goozex. They were so cheap I had to try them. I'll eventually put them back on and get the second Star Ocean when it gets a bit cheaper.

[Blackout]

I picked up Eternal Sonata. How long does this game take to beat? Are there lots of stuff you can miss? How many achievements can I get on just one play through?

I'm really loving Lost Odyssey. I'm on Disc 2 and I really digging the story.

[G33]

I picked up Eternal Sonata. How long does this game take to beat? Are there lots of stuff you can miss? How many achievements can I get on just one play through?

I checked my saved game, and I took 28.5 hours, finishing at level 77. This includes completing the bonus dungeon and obtaining the majority of the items (I skipped a few in the maze-like dungeon). There are several missables, but nothing that you can't get in your second playthrough. The only items I recommend using a guide to obtain are the music pieces, as it is a pain to find them yourself. You can get up to 340 achievement points on your first playthrough.

[Chacrana]

All we need from P2 is the first part: Innocent Sin. They could implement a social link system and I don't think I would complain too much.

But it leaves me thinking how could this be done without changing the story/gameplay? If the answer is "we're switching it over to the daily calender system like in P3 & P4" then I'm against that. But if the S-Links were intergrated into the story, I can be more forgiving. As long as they add and don't take away.

P2 already sorta had social links with demons, since you could become friends with them and use that to get tarot cards and stuff like that... so they could maybe expand that, but I don't see how they could have P3/4-style social links since there's really not too many people in the game...

[depascal22]

Eternal Sonata took me over 30 hours but my main three characters ended up near Lv. 100 by the end. I also picked up all 340 points from the first play through.

Anyone else think it's ridiculous to give so many achievement points just for getting the EZI items? Isn't it somewhere around 300?

[ChibiJosh]

Pretty excited about Knights in the Nightmare coming stateside. Anyone else?

What's the gameplay on this one? I loved Riviera, but I wasn't too enamored with Yggdra Union.

[Rodimus]

but I don't see how they could have P3/4-style social links since there's really not too many people in the game...

There's always Super Hitler

Now if that Persona remake comes out in the states I'm gonna have to buy a PSP... again :roll:

[MSI Magus]

There's always Super Hitler

Now if that Persona remake comes out in the states I'm gonna have to buy a PSP... again :roll:

Hehe I am actually in the process of trying to sell my modded PSP simply because there aint shit on the system. I only bought it for CC and KH and KH doesn't even have a scheduled release date!

[Rodimus]

I got Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World yesterday (it was $40 and I had a BB $25 gift card). I really wanted a new RPG and just couldn't wait for Star Ocean but I'm beginging to think I should've researched it more. The monster recruit/Pokemon system seems useless and out of place. It really makes it feel like an RPG for little kids. This game is damn ugly, and not just the graphics but the animation is poor. I hate the MC, probably one of the most annoying ever. The best part is the combat, however it isn't as smooth as the first one or Vesperia.

[kainzero]

I beat Valkyria. I really liked the setting. I really disliked all the anime elements, like one-dimensional hobbies (durr, i like baking), the fantasy element kinda threw me off with lasers and stuff, and some things just didn't make sense to me.

Like near the end of the game:
Alicia turns Valkyria and gets ready to kick ass but Welkin is like NOOO DON'T DO IT, DON'T KICK THEIR ASS, and she's like ohh fine, let's make out. She shoulda just turned Valkyria and lasered the crap out of the tank. I don't see how this is an issue at all, maybe bombing yourself is a bad idea but Selvaria turned out alright just with the regular Valkryrur stuff.

Or with the ending:
So you're telling me that some guy was able to make a plane and be able to perform crazy flight maneuvers despite planes not being invented yet? IIRC the Wright Brothers plane lasted for 50 seconds in flight before crashing, and then they had to build another one. Come on now.

Great gameplay mechanics though. Scout is a little broken, and there are a lot of BS moments like Lancer spawning behind your tank and getting a free crit. I'd also rather see the dodging mechanic done away with, people should be able to flank sandbags for 100%, and something needs to be done with the status effects because they were mostly useless.

[depascal22]

I'm not really liking Final Fantasy I. I guess it's a little too old school for my taste. The new cutscenes look awesome but I guess it's hard to go back after playing some of the newer games. Oh well, Tales of the World comes in next week.

[Rei no Otaku]

I got Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World yesterday (it was $40 and I had a BB $25 gift card). I really wanted a new RPG and just couldn't wait for Star Ocean but I'm beginging to think I should've researched it more. The monster recruit/Pokemon system seems useless and out of place. It really makes it feel like an RPG for little kids. This game is damn ugly, and not just the graphics but the animation is poor. I hate the MC, probably one of the most annoying ever. The best part is the combat, however it isn't as smooth as the first one or Vesperia.
Probably my biggest disappointment of last year. I know myself and a couple other people bitched about that game in this thread. It really is a shame it sucked so much since I loved the first one a lot.

[depascal22]

Did they at least keep the same characters from the first Symphonia?

[Rodimus]

Probably my biggest disappointment of last year. I know myself and a couple other people bitched about that game in this thread. It really is a shame it sucked so much since I loved the first one a lot.

I didn't do any research, it was strictly an impulse buy, which is rare for me. I'm about 8 hours in. Does it get any better? If not it's probably going up on eBay very soon. Why did they decide to do the monster recruit thing? That just killed it for me.

Did they at least keep the same characters from the first Symphonia?

They're there, but the main characters are different. From what I understand they pop in and out of your party during the course of the game. So you never really have a concrete party. So instead you recruit/evolve monsters. LAME

Anyone played the Kingdom Hearts CoM remake? I really haven't heard much about it considering the popularity of the series. Maybe I should've gotten that instead of ToS.

[Rei no Otaku]

It doesn't get much better.

[Krymner]

Kinda sad that all the best Wii RPGs are Gamecube games. If ToS 2 had turned out as good as the first one, I would have already bought a Wii.


Anyone played the Kingdom Hearts CoM remake? I really haven't heard much about it considering the popularity of the series. Maybe I should've gotten that instead of ToS.

Yeah, I was curious about that KH remake as well. It seems to have slid under the radar, cause I haven't heard much about it at all.

[JEKKI]

I beat Valkyria. I really liked the setting. I really disliked all the anime elements, like one-dimensional hobbies (durr, i like baking), the fantasy element kinda threw me off with lasers and stuff, and some things just didn't make sense to me.

Like near the end of the game:
Alicia turns Valkyria and gets ready to kick ass but Welkin is like NOOO DON'T DO IT, DON'T KICK THEIR ASS, and she's like ohh fine, let's make out. She shoulda just turned Valkyria and lasered the crap out of the tank. I don't see how this is an issue at all, maybe bombing yourself is a bad idea but Selvaria turned out alright just with the regular Valkryrur stuff.


man why u gotta be such a hater?!?!

I dont see how that's any different than real life... guys do dumb things coz they fall in love with girls, and girls do dumb things becoz girls do dumb things period.

plus I'ma one-dimensional hobby your ass to Kogi's taco truck t(-_-t) and what?!?!?!

oh yah... I jus beat this game too!!! like right jus now! I loved it!!!

I dont think it's an RPG tho... to me it's so strategy based that it feels more like an Advance Wars type of game.

now my next RPG to play thru:

http://www.chipanddale.se/pictures/Grandia2cover2.jpg

[FloodsAreUponUS]

Grandia 2...so much fun

[Mr. Beef]

Anyone played the Kingdom Hearts CoM remake? I really haven't heard much about it considering the popularity of the series. Maybe I should've gotten that instead of ToS.

If you played the GBA version, there's nothing too big you'll get from the PS2 version, IMO. They did add voice-acting, however, which might get people's attention. They added in new cards, new sleights, and I think some new bosses, but it still wasn't enough to get me to purchase it. I really don't know why either, since I love me some KH.

[Chibi_Kaji]

I didn't do any research, it was strictly an impulse buy, which is rare for me. I'm about 8 hours in. Does it get any better? If not it's probably going up on eBay very soon. Why did they decide to do the monster recruit thing? That just killed it for me.
I didn't even make it past 3 hours. After I realized how much grinding I would need to do in order to progress I just stopped playing. And it didn't help that I hated the Monster recruiting and the new characters as well...

They're there, but the main characters are different. From what I understand they pop in and out of your party during the course of the game. So you never really have a concrete party. So instead you recruit/evolve monsters. LAME
They do join your party permanently later on in the game. But they have a level cap(I think it's 50) and you can't change their equipment.

[JEKKI]

yeay~!!

http://i44.tinypic.com/2yzmog2.gif

anyway I dont understand something about Grandia...

like u turn on the game, start a new game, watch sum cutscenes, press the A button, whatever...

then u check your stats when u finally get your first chance to and your player is at Level 10.

wtf?!?!?! where did levels 1-9 go?!?!

what's the fukkyn point of starting me at level 10?!?! there's no logic behind it, it makes no sense.

[Rodimus]

I guess it's a way of saying he's battle-hardened already, since he's some kinda mercenary.

[js1]

I'm on the last chapter of Yakuza its taken me like 2+years and a dead ps3 laser to finish this game! Next up maybe Persona 3 FES or (depends if I get my ps3 fixed within the next week or two) I will finish Fallout 3, then start Valkyria.

[js1]

now my next RPG to play thru:

http://www.chipanddale.se/pictures/Grandia2cover2.jpg

Are you playing it on a Dreamcast? I loved this game on the DC. But Skies of Arcadia was my fave on the DC. BTW, I need to hunt down the GC version of Skies.

[Monsta Mack]

Just finished Lost Odyssey. What a under appreciated game by the press, of course not so much by the fanbase/JRPG fans it seems. Great game although they really didn't stray much outside of the basic FF formula. But if your a fan of the Final Fantasy series LO is probably the closest you'll get to Final Fantasy.

I would give it a 8.6 tipping the B bridge into the B+. I enjoyed it a lot more then Blue Dragon (though I think my wife really loved Blue Dragon).

Now that shes done with Persona 4 I'll probably go back and finish that up before Star Ocean 4 hits, just in case I decide to go grab that.

I'm not looking as much forward to Suikoden DS because the import impressions on Gamefaqs seem to be pretty "meh".

[FloodsAreUponUS]

I want SO4 to be good so badly, its like the only real JRPG this year.

[ChibiJosh]

I just finished up Chrono Trigger on the DS. I haven't played it in years, and the game is still great.

The DS Suikoden is the next game I'm really looking forward to despite impressions.

[randomevent]

I want SO4 to be good so badly, its like the only real JRPG this year.

I'm hoping this as well. I'm dying to play this game. SO3 was one of my favorite RPG's, even if quite a few SO fans didn't like it.

[JEKKI]

Are you playing it on a Dreamcast? I loved this game on the DC. But Skies of Arcadia was my fave on the DC. BTW, I need to hunt down the GC version of Skies.


yes! Dreamcast version! I gotta complete albeit in a busted azz case copy from goozex that I posted a pic of sum pages back!

I also jus got this off goozex:

http://i43.tinypic.com/2d0mknd.jpg

I want to get Lost Odyssey too, it's down to 700 points on goozex now and I have heard so many good things about it,

but I got Grandia and FFX-2 to keep me busy prolly til like june lol.

[pete5883]

I dunno, I think Grandia II is so, so skippable. If you've played Grandia 1, you've already played the battle system. If you've tried any other RPG ever, you've already heard the story. What's left?

[Chibi_Kaji]

I want SO4 to be good so badly, its like the only real JRPG this year.
I'll probably hold off on picking that up right away. I have a few other games I'd like to complete first....

[depascal22]

I should play my copy of Grandia II someday.

Also, what exactly are the differences between the DC and Gamecube versions of Skies of Arcadia. I heard there are less random encounters in the GC version but I was just curious as to the others. I played through the Cube version and loved it so it's more of a curiositty thing since I probably won't ever play the DC version.

[Rei no Otaku]

The Cube version added that thing where you find the sky fish or whatever. Also the bounty system was added. Finally the music in the GC version is worse.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

If there are less RE in the GC version I don't wanna play the DC one.

[Chibi_Kaji]

If there are less RE in the GC version I don't wanna play the DC one.
Agreed, as much as I loved the game I hated the high random encounter rate.

[Krymner]

Yah, the encounter rate was crazy enough in the GC version. I've been watching Last Exile lately, and it has really reminded me a lot of SoA. I wish Sega would resurect this game and make it their primary franchise RPG series instead of beating the Phantasy Star series to death like they're doing.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

I want Sega to bring Yakuza 3 over, and get Ryu out of that damn cave!

Fuck Skies of Arcadia.

Yakuza and Shenmue>Anything else by Sega.

[kainzero]

I want Sega to bring Yakuza 3 over, and get Ryu out of that damn cave!

Fuck Skies of Arcadia.

Yakuza and Shenmue>Anything else by Sega.
lol shenmue


valkyria chronicles is way more awesome.
hopefully they reuse and refine that system, preferably not in a direct sequel.

if you wanna race forklifts instead, then damn. you need to get out more.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

Forklifts>VC.

NEVER LET GO OF THE HOPE!

[Rei no Otaku]

Shenmue was never good. Let that shit go...

[SL4IN]

What's the gameplay on this one? I loved Riviera, but I wasn't too enamored with Yggdra Union.

It's really, weird. It's kind of like Riviera's gameplay, but with a shmup kinda mixed in.

[whoknows]

Shenmue was never good. Let that shit go...

Seriously.

That game put me to sleep.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

Shenmue was greater then anything Sega ever did, HEATHENS!

[Mr. Beef]

Shenmue caused Sega to go under. There, I said it.

Shit had more hype than FF7, except that it wished it was half as successful.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

Shenmue>FF7

Sailors>Spiky Hair

Lucky Hit> Snowboarding

Lan-Di>Sephiroth



Sega put themselves under, no Peter Moore put sega under.

[Krymner]

Airships > Lucky Hit

Looking forward to the Genesis collection. Its been awhile since I played the REAL Phantasy Star games. Oh, and Shining Force.

Damn, what happened, Sega? They used to be such an RPG powerhouse.

And don't worry about Yakuza 3. If anything, Sony will make Sega release it here. They need all the exclusives they can get.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

Forklifts>Air Ships

[depascal22]

Air ships are way better than forklifts. I mean, c'mon, you had random battles in and with the air ship.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

You moved boxes REAL LIFE SKILLS.

[Krymner]

Real life is overrated.

So is Shenmue.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

I got a job because of shenmue.

Did SKIES OF RANDOM ENCOUTERS do that fo chew?

[whoknows]

Yakuza is awesome Shenmue is boring. I wish people wouldn't compare to the two, or if they did they would be like "Yakuza is what Shenmue would be like if it didn't suck"

[FloodsAreUponUS]

Yakuza is Shenmue for gangsters and people who dont appreciate literature and finer things in life.

/snob

[Rodimus]

Shenmue was magical. If you hate it then your soul is black.

Yakuza is a poor man's Shenmue.

[hankmecrankme]

Shenmue was sweet. Part 2 is so good. Too bad we'll never see part 3. :bomb:

Fuck you, Sega.

[whoknows]

Shenmue was magical. If you hate it then your soul is black.

Yakuza is a poor man's Shenmue.

That doesn't make any sense since Yakuza is better than Shenmue in every way.

[Mr. Beef]

Floods is to Shenmue as whoknows is to HOME.

[Rodimus]

Started playing Legend of Wukong this morning. If you don't know what that is it's a Geneisis/Mega Drive RPG made by a Taiwanese company years ago. It recently got localized by Super Fighter Team. It's pretty cool to play a brand new Genesis game on my CDX.

The formula is your typical 16-bit RPG. Random battles, towns w/ shops, etc. As for the story you're a kid that hijacks a time machine and gets sent back to ancient China. Once stranded there you have to find a way to get back home. I'm only about 2 hours in and I have a few nitpicky complaints, but for the most part it's a solid game for anyone who likes old-school RPGs. There's some grinding at the beginning but battles are quick and you level up pretty fast. As you level up you gain magic spells and use money to buy weapons, armor & items. Like I said, typical. If anyone is intersted check out there website.

http://www.legendofwukong.com/

[js1]

I think Yakuza is just a better Shenmue.I did like the 1st Shemue, but I enjoyed Yakuza more. For the record Skies>Shenmue!

[Jest]

Any suggestions for a turn based RPG on DS or PSP that isn't an old Final Fantasy, old Dragon Quest, or dated?

[FloodsAreUponUS]

Etrian Odyssey 2.

[62t]

Any suggestions for a turn based RPG on DS or PSP that isn't an old Final Fantasy, old Dragon Quest, or dated?

My World My Way

[depascal22]

Brave Story New Traveler

[Blackout]

I checked my saved game, and I took 28.5 hours, finishing at level 77. This includes completing the bonus dungeon and obtaining the majority of the items (I skipped a few in the maze-like dungeon). There are several missables, but nothing that you can't get in your second playthrough. The only items I recommend using a guide to obtain are the music pieces, as it is a pain to find them yourself. You can get up to 340 achievement points on your first playthrough.

That's kinda low achievement wise. I'm not playing through the game two times. RPGs are way too long to do that kind of stuff. How's the story? Does it hold up?

[depascal22]

Eternal Sonata's story holds up until the end. By that time, you're already in too deep.

As for the achievements, it's par for the course for most JRPGs on the 360. Finishing the game and finishing the optional dungeon will only get you one third of the available points. Finding all the EZI items give you a whopping 200+ points for one achievement. It's one of most retarded achievements in history.

Started Tales of the World Radiant Mythology earlier this week and I'm very very disapointed. I knew what to expect going in but it's much worse than I thought. The fetch quests are retarded. The whole nameless protagonist thing is super dated and none of the familiar Tales characters have voice actors that sound anything like the originals. It even looks like they cut and pasted Reid's picture from Tales of Eternia instead of updating his little dialogue pic. What a disappointment.

[RelentlessRolento]

just beat Crisis Core right now... wow.

fucking sad.

Zack became my new fave (behind Cid Highwind) FF(#) character ever, so I was pissed about the ending.

[heavyd853]

Whaaaat!

But Cloud is Zack!

Well, at least he thinks he is for the first half of FFVII.

[Chibi_Kaji]

just beat Crisis Core right now... wow.

fucking sad.

Zack became my new fave (behind Cid Highwind) FF(#) character ever, so I was pissed about the ending.
I might have been angry if it wasn't for the fact I had ten years to let it sink in. But I will say I was actually surprised at how Crisis Core handled it... I figured it would have been one long cut scene. I almost shed a tear at some parts.

[Moxio]

WTF RolentlessRelento? Did you even play FF7? What were you expecting?

[Mr. Beef]

At the end, where you have to keep killing all th Shinra troops? I knew what the outcome was before it even happened, but I was still kinda sad throughout the entire thing, since Zack had grown on me so much by then. Hated watching him die.

Man, it's really obvious how much cooler Zack is than Cloud.

[ninja dog]

If you think that's said, his girlfriend dies in FFVII! I forget what her name is...

[RelentlessRolento]

WTF RolentlessRelento? Did you even play FF7? What were you expecting?


yeah, I knew what to expect. still sad.

[whoknows]

If you think that's said, his girlfriend dies in FFVII! I forget what her name is...

Cloud dies!?!?

[Rei no Otaku]

Actually her name is Sephiroth.

[DQT]

WTF RolentlessRelento? Did you even play FF7? What were you expecting?

From what I heard, it's the futility of Zack's fate that makes the ending heartbreaking. You know what's going to happen no matter how badly you don't want it to.

I'm dying to play Crisis Core but I don't have a PSP. Thinking about getting one as soon as it hits Greatest Hits.

[JEKKI]

watchu talkin bout willis!!

http://i39.tinypic.com/2q3wvhf.jpg

[RelentlessRolento]

Crisis Core can easily be gotten for the $20-$25 range.

[whoknows]

watchu talkin bout willis!!
That's not real...is that real? It can't be...can it?

[JEKKI]

That's not real...is that real? It can't be...can it?whoknows?

[Moxio]

Fake.

[whoknows]

Probably.

[Mr. Beef]

Ugh, I can't wait until THAT comes out.

[JEKKI]

I cant wait til this comes out!!

http://i41.tinypic.com/ir0s3d.png

more here lol: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=349539&page=45

[whoknows]

That's the 2002 version :roll:

[JEKKI]

no. it's the 3002 version.

[whoknows]

My mistake :oops:

[Chibi_Kaji]

If you think that's said, his girlfriend dies in FFVII! I forget what her name is...
She was asking for it!

[Jest]

Should I play Eternal Sonata or Tales of Vesperia first?

[RelentlessRolento]

she did wear horrible clothes... the white looks way better on her than the pink.

[willardhaven]

Should I play Eternal Sonata or Tales of Vesperia first?

Both are great, I am trying to find an SE copy of Tales... did you by any chance find one?

[galvatron2k1]

Both are great, I am trying to find an SE copy of Tales... did you by any chance find one?

Check Gamecrazy. I've seen one at every one I have been to.

[suko_32]

Should I play Eternal Sonata or Tales of Vesperia first?

ES -> ToV

[willardhaven]

Check Gamecrazy. I've seen one at every one I have been to.

I will try that, they're a bit far from me but if I can get one it will be worth it.

[Rodimus]

Should I play Eternal Sonata or Tales of Vesperia first?

IMO Vesperia is a much better game. Both are real time battles, but ToV is just so much fun. ES lacked character interaction while ToV does it 100% better. As for the story both are the same ol' JRPG dribble, but ES's story falls apart terribly near the end. It stops making sense and instead becomes pretentious.

[emg28]

Should I play Eternal Sonata or Tales of Vesperia first?

I was thinking the exact same thing. I went with ES (longest intro ever!) and am about 3 hours in. I had already started ToV but put it aside for Fable 2. It felt good to finish Fable 2 since I hadn't had time to finish a game in a long while.

I need to finish up FFT:A2 so I can start playing Fire Emblem: SD (out this week). I haven't finished FFT:A2 because I started playing Jeanne D'Arc on the PSP. I really need to get my shit straight and concentrate on one game at a time... well, atleast one each for 360 and DS/PSP. I will easily put aside Jeanne D'arc, which I was enjoying, for FE.

[depascal22]

Stick with Jeanne d'Arc. It's easily one of my favorite SRPGs of all time.

[kainzero]

just beat Crisis Core right now... wow.

fucking sad.

Zack became my new fave (behind Cid Highwind) FF(#) character ever, so I was pissed about the ending.
the coolest part about that game is how my name is in the credits even though i was only on the project for 3 weeks.





you know what?
dq5 comes out this week!

people need to get hype about that. dq5 and dq6 are seriously top tier RPGs.

[JEKKI]

I burnt myself out over the weekend playing DQIV lol.

I think I have the patience for that $10 price drop on DQ5.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

maybe if DQ5 added in the fun I might be interested, looked for that for awhile in DQ4, yeah, not there.

[Rei no Otaku]

you know what?
dq5 comes out this week!

people need to get hype about that. dq5 and dq6 are seriously top tier RPGs.
So those two games are fun unlike every other game in that series?

[heavyd853]

Hey, VIII was fun!


Also, Suikoden II is fucking long! Goddamn annoying ass recruiting requirements.

[Ahadi]

I'm on a wicked RPG kick lately. I just polished of DQIV and am almost balls deep in Chrono Trigger. My question for you guys, those whom I see as the RPG experts ;) Is the Star Ocean remake worth my time and money?

[heavyd853]

I can't comment on the remakes, but I definately enjoyed 1 and 2.

[willardhaven]

So those two games are fun unlike every other game in that series?

Once again you read my mind. Even though we have completely different tastes, we're on the same page regarding DQ.

[62t]

Guess you guys havent play Rocket Slim

[Krymner]

I think I'm also gonna wait on a price drop before getting DQV. I do believe Japan regards it as the best of the DQ series tho. I've just got so much of a backlog now and haven't had much time to play anything recently, that I'll just wait.

[Sarang01]

GAH! I still haven't gotten an answer. Is "Culdcept" for the DS worth it or what?! X-( I was hoping to game with some of you by it that way.

Oh and from the comments about Skies. If you know Japanese just buy the DC version. I've heard it's much raunchier then the U.S. DC version(I'm thinking Japanese "One Piece" to U.S. version). Oh and before you think you can just get the Japanese GC version and get it all don't. From what I've heard it was toned down just like the U.S. version so it's not worth buying.

[fatbeer]

I doubt many people here will give their early impression on Culdcept DS, since it was never release in U.S and it doesn't seem very user friendly to American players(judging by screen shots).


The chances for that game being localize is pretty slim. Namco took a chance and the sale numbers are disappointing. The bad localization didn't help either. I doubt it's Japanese publisher, Sega, will bring this statewide. They published most Culdcept series in Japan, but in America they were published by different companies(NEC Interchannel for Culdcept for ps2 and Namco for Culdcept Saga).

[Sarang01]

Well I just wanted to know if it played well technically. I'd buy it if I knew so, even if it's in Japanese it's fucking CULDCEPT for the DS for crying out loud! :-D

[kainzero]

dq5 has one of the best stories in a jrpg.

bianca <3

[JEKKI]

nah fukk that.

sf5 has one of the best stories in a jrpg.

blanka <3

[depascal22]

What kind of raunchy bits are in the Japanese version of Skies?

[MSI Magus]

I think I'm also gonna wait on a price drop before getting DQV. I do believe Japan regards it as the best of the DQ series tho. I've just got so much of a backlog now and haven't had much time to play anything recently, that I'll just wait.

I am pretty sure that DQV was the one I enjoyed the most but cant recall since I haven't played it in years. With that said that is by no means a recommendation. Like every other DQ game its a bland outdated grind fest that I couldn't see playing unless I was looking for something with a story so cliched it could have been pulled from any 5 children s fairy tale book.

[dallow]

I've put a good chunk of hours into Guadia Quest.
I'm enjoying it a lot. haven't grinded in long time.

[Rodimus]

What kind of raunchy bits are in the Japanese version of Skies?

Didn't know there were differences, but if there are I'd also like to know.

[Krymner]

Didn't know there were differences, but if there are I'd also like to know.

According to one source:

The American Dreamcast version was slightly censored to remove references to smoking and alcohol, cleaned up some dialogue (to make it look less like Aika was going to get raped when being captured by Vigaro), and slightly cleaned up one scantily clad character.And yeah, I've heard that the soundtrack is vastly superior in the DC version. The biggest plus for the Cube version tho is the extra content. And since I usually wind up playing my own music in the background when playing an old-school RPG like Skies, I'd rather have more content than music.

Oh, and I really do prefer the US Gamecube cover art over all of the versions.

American DC
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/bigboxshots/7/197237_42094_front.jpg

Japanese DC
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/bigboxshots/7/197237_16650_front.jpg

Japanese Gamecube
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/bigboxshots/6/537506_5808_front.jpg

US Gamecube
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/bigboxshots/6/537506_front.jpg

PAL Gamecube
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/bigboxshots/6/537506_5469_front.jpg

[Rodimus]

Thanks, I guess you mean this scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WeqMgmEHhI

[kainzero]

I am pretty sure that DQV was the one I enjoyed the most but cant recall since I haven't played it in years. With that said that is by no means a recommendation. Like every other DQ game its a bland outdated grind fest that I couldn't see playing unless I was looking for something with a story so cliched it could have been pulled from any 5 children s fairy tale book.
*sigh*

the only grinding is done in the beginning, and i'm pretty sure they toned it down for dq5 on DS as they did with dq4.

and dq5's story is probably the most unique in the dq series. there are a lot of original twists in the story, and none are really atypical.

i'm also tired of people saying the battle system is dated. it's balanced, everything works and it offers a sufficient challenge without being clunky or broken.

[MSI Magus]

*sigh*

the only grinding is done in the beginning, and i'm pretty sure they toned it down for dq5 on DS as they did with dq4.

and dq5's story is probably the most unique in the dq series. there are a lot of original twists in the story, and none are really atypical.

i'm also tired of people saying the battle system is dated. it's balanced, everything works and it offers a sufficient challenge without being clunky or broken.

Yatta yatta yatta. You say this every time DQ is released and its never true. And if they reduced grind then its not noticeable because I have read 2 reviews today alone that complained about the grind in the game. The only people that dont seem to notice a grind are the masochist DQ fans.

[willardhaven]

In DQ VIII they made you click 5+ times just to use or move an item, is the DS one better?

[Monsta Mack]

Skies was pretty decent but I just don't have much time to delve into it right now. You guys can bid on my eBay copy along with Persona 1 ;)

What's the overall opinion of The Last Remant here? I'm wondering if I should just wait for a PC version or it will do with the HD install?

Also is Infinite Undiscovery even worth $15?

[kainzero]

Yatta yatta yatta. You say this every time DQ is released and its never true. And if they reduced grind then its not noticeable because I have read 2 reviews today alone that complained about the grind in the game. The only people that dont seem to notice a grind are the masochist DQ fans.
the grind in the persona games is worse.

not only that but i seriously don't understand where this grinding factors in, just be smart with the game and you don't have to

if you wanna buy the top gear before you leave town then yes you have to grind but it's not necessary nor is it THAT useful

[willardhaven]

You're right about the grinding in P1-2 but in P3 and 4 you can just avoid battles if you want.

[Rodimus]

Isn't the point of grinding not to avoid the battles? I don't remember much grinding in P1 or P2. The encounter rate was way too high for P1 so I never had a need to grind.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

Skies was pretty decent but I just don't have much time to delve into it right now. You guys can bid on my eBay copy along with Persona 1 ;)

What's the overall opinion of The Last Remant here? I'm wondering if I should just wait for a PC version or it will do with the HD install?

Also is Infinite Undiscovery even worth $15?

Wait for PC on TLR, it looks and runs so much nicer.

IU is terrible not worth a penny.

[MSI Magus]

the grind in the persona games is worse.

not only that but i seriously don't understand where this grinding factors in, just be smart with the game and you don't have to

if you wanna buy the top gear before you leave town then yes you have to grind but it's not necessary nor is it THAT useful

The Grind in Persona is indeed high, far too high for my liking and its something that has almost stopped me from playing the series. That said it is still nowhere near as bad as DQ which I have found to be like twice as much grinding and far more deaths. Even if that wasnt the case though atleast Persona has interesting and unique stories to keep you compelled vs save the princess turned into an animal by an evil spell caster and the other fairy tale reject stuff out of DQ. Then there is the S.Links which i think I enjoy as much as the story and would wage a fair bet others do too.

Edit - And did you ever think that maybe your just great at DQ? Different people have different games that they kick ass at and dont need to grind as much as others. Everyone I know bitches about the grinding in DQ and I cant even count anymore how many people I know that gave up on that series because of it. So maybe you are just really good at it and dont need to grind? Personally a good example with me is Diablo 2. I was so good at it that I beat 2 of my friends at once that were 20 levels above me with only my bow and rings equipped........but I would be no means say this means others should be able to do this. People are just good at different games.

[depascal22]

Persona 2 had a ridiculous amount of random battles but for some reason I still had to grind a little to get through a couple areas. The Joker fight at the TV Studio was one.

[Chacrana]

Persona 2 had a ridiculous amount of random battles but for some reason I still had to grind a little to get through a couple areas. The Joker fight at the TV Studio was one.

That boss was a bitch. Really tough.

I didn't there were all that many random encounters in Persona 2, though... not any more than a normal RPG, at least.

Such a good game.

[kainzero]

The Grind in Persona is indeed high, far too high for my liking and its something that has almost stopped me from playing the series. That said it is still nowhere near as bad as DQ which I have found to be like twice as much grinding and far more deaths. Even if that wasnt the case though atleast Persona has interesting and unique stories to keep you compelled vs save the princess turned into an animal by an evil spell caster and the other fairy tale reject stuff out of DQ. Then there is the S.Links which i think I enjoy as much as the story and would wage a fair bet others do too.

Edit - And did you ever think that maybe your just great at DQ? Different people have different games that they kick ass at and dont need to grind as much as others. Everyone I know bitches about the grinding in DQ and I cant even count anymore how many people I know that gave up on that series because of it. So maybe you are just really good at it and dont need to grind? Personally a good example with me is Diablo 2. I was so good at it that I beat 2 of my friends at once that were 20 levels above me with only my bow and rings equipped........but I would be no means say this means others should be able to do this. People are just good at different games.
When you die in Persona in a random battle, you just lost hours of your life to a game over. In DQ, you just lose half your gold. Also in DQ, the dungeons are fairly straightforward and relatively quick to get through, I got tired of climbing 10 floors in Persona 4, or repeating dungeons to finish quests. The grinding is the same if not more so in P3 / P4, plus the battles are longer in Persona.

Nothing wrong with "fairy tale stuff." It's presented in a classic mythological fashion. There's a reason that stuff has persisted since ancient Greece and how you can find analogous stories in any religion in any culture... except it's a lot easier to digest with modern language. I can point out a similar amount of cliches in JRPGs, whether they are classic or modern doesn't really matter.

I'm not exactly talented at DQ. It's not a difficult game. People are just used to save points and full restorations before bosses and buying top-tier equipment as soon as they enter a town. Learning how to correctly ration MP in a dungeon and upgrading equipment as you go along doesn't take a lot of skill or talent, but you do have to think.

willardhaven: Ironically, the interface in DQ8 was redesigned for the US release and I thought it was a lot slower than it should've been. All the old DQs use the classic interface and the menu is easier to navigate but you still gotta click 5 times to use an item.

[Rodimus]

I remember my hardest fight in Persona 2 was the one against the police chief and these 4 mech things. At first I thought it was one of those "you're supposed to lose this" battles.

[Sarang01]

Ummm for Skies I also think with Gilder it might have been worse.

[willardhaven]

I just got a ToV guide from Half.com, now I need to find a copy of the game...

Does anybody remember what the misprint was in the ToV guide? I remember something about pages being upside down or something.

[62t]

I just got a ToV guide from Half.com, now I need to find a copy of the game...

Does anybody remember what the misprint was in the ToV guide? I remember something about pages being upside down or something.

problem is that the guide doesnt have any maps and doesnt cover a lot of the side quest so it is not that useful.

[fatbeer]

Tales of Vesperia guide is horrible. It was missing maps, lots of extra content, and sidequests. Tales of Symphonia 2 guide is a piece junk as well. The only reason to buy these "Tales" guides is there potential value in near future. The three guides before it: Tales of Destiny 2, Tales of Abyss and Tales of Symphonia all went out of print and net a good value on Ebay.

[emg28]

I just got a ToV guide from Half.com, now I need to find a copy of the game...

Does anybody remember what the misprint was in the ToV guide? I remember something about pages being upside down or something.

FYI, the ToV guide was pennied at BB and GS. It's a decent-sized guide but one of the problems is that over half of the guide is mostly character/item/monster lists.

[depascal22]

That boss was a bitch. Really tough.

I didn't there were all that many random encounters in Persona 2, though... not any more than a normal RPG, at least.

Such a good game.

I guess the Tales series and Eternal Sonata spoiled me. I liked the option of fighting or sneaking through a place. There were very few places where you had to fight a monster (in ES) just because it was so narrow.

To me, there's nothing more frustrating than trying to find a nice place to save (not just any old place but some place where I can pick it up and not wander around for 30 minutes) and random battles keep popping up.

[willardhaven]

FYI, the ToV guide was pennied at BB and GS. It's a decent-sized guide but one of the problems is that over half of the guide is mostly character/item/monster lists.

I'm going to try and find it in-store, I bought it hastily online because Brady and Amazon told me it's probably out of print.


To me, there's nothing more frustrating than trying to find a nice place to save (not just any old place but some place where I can pick it up and not wander around for 30 minutes) and random battles keep popping up.

Wild ARMs 4 had a cool option which let you turn off encounters after reaching a save point. FF VIII had a junction ability which let you turn them all off also. Random encounters suck.

[Rodimus]

Star Ocean 4 coming in the next couple days. Anyone getting it or got it already? I plan to Gamefly it first. If I like it I'll buy it from GF. Square/Enix hasn't been on my good list for a few years, plus I didn't like the previous SO. I'm not diving head first into this one. I'm not one to put much stock in Famitsu reviews but they seemed to favor it. If anyone's intersted here's their thoughts:
http://www.n4g.com/News-275269.aspx

[willardhaven]

I'll be ready for it in the fall, but I am looking forward to it. I just can't justify paying full price.

[Rodimus]

I'm just dying to play a new RPG. Persona 4 left me wanting more. If Star Ocean is a decent game then I'll get it. All the videos look interesting & the battle system seems fun. Hopefully it just plays as well as it looks.

[willardhaven]

Did you already finish Tales of Vesperia?

[Rodimus]

Yeah, I beat it at launch. Loved that game. I was thinking about playing through P3 again if I don't enjoy Star Ocean.

[willardhaven]

What about Tales of the Abyss?

Have you beaten all the good PS2 RPGs as well?

I'm really impressed by anyone who has run out of good RPGs to play.

[Rodimus]

I've at least tried all the PS2 RPGs I'm interested in playing. The list of PS2 RPGs I've beatin really isn't impressivly long. There are a few RPGs I've always wanted to play & beat but they're on the rare side. (Panzer Dragoon Saga, Dragon Force, Tales of Destiny, Earthbound)

[Poor2More]

Im getting that Star Ocean: the Last Hope tomorrow for sure, Im stoked, been getting 8's from reviews, which is high for a JRPG knowing American critics

[suko_32]

I'll pick up Star Ocean when it's cheap. I hope it's good!

[KingBroly]

So I decided that after 2 years of not playing it, I'd play Final Fantasy 3 on my DS again. Yeah, not a smart move. So, after beating this Skeleton boss in a tree I'm told I need to go somewhere, but I don't know how to get there. Any help?

[Chibi_Kaji]

It looks like we'll be getting that Persona 1 remake for the PSP in the US. Atlusi s saying sometime this year(Probably in the Fall).

[Rodimus]

The PSX version of Persona 1 was one of the most poorly localized games ever. So I'll also be looking forward to the remake. Hopefully we'll get a true translation and the Snow Queen Quest.

[Chacrana]

The bigger problem was that Persona 1 was just a bad game. Some interesting ideas, but it'd be awesome if they updated the crappy parts (like the first person dungeon crawling) to what P2 had.

[Ryuukishi]

Did I miss something-- Haven't they already revealed that this is a straight port of the PSX game with some new FMVs, just like the Final Fantasy Tactics port? Not sure why people are talking about it like it's a ground-up remake.

[Rodimus]

The bigger problem was that Persona 1 was just a bad game. Some interesting ideas, but it'd be awesome if they updated the crappy parts (like the first person dungeon crawling) to what P2 had.

I never thought that it was a bad game, it just had too many ticks. If the loading times and translation are fixed then those are the biggest problems.

Unfortunately the first persona dungeons are intact. But I can tolerate them.

[Chacrana]

Did I miss something-- Haven't they already revealed that this is a straight port of the PSX game with some new FMVs, just like the Final Fantasy Tactics port? Not sure why people are talking about it like it's a ground-up remake.

Oh, it's a remake: http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=8981985&publicUserId=5379721

uhm.... well at least, more than FFT was.

[kainzero]

So I decided that after 2 years of not playing it, I'd play Final Fantasy 3 on my DS again. Yeah, not a smart move. So, after beating this Skeleton boss in a tree I'm told I need to go somewhere, but I don't know how to get there. Any help?
i think
you have to go to some castle in a desert? in the south of the world map?

i never played ff3ds.
only ff3 nes.




btw ya'll need to get on DQ5 for DS. sadly the game is pretty short at around 15-20 hours but it's fun.

[KingBroly]

I'll give it a shot. That's what I hate about old RPG's, and they never seem to remedy this in future remakes. If I put it down for a few days/weeks/years time and come back to it, I'm completely lost and I'm wandering aimlessly for a long while. In fact, there are still a good portion of RPG's today that have this problem.

[willardhaven]

Honestly on DS you're better off playing Chrono Trigger and FF III-IV to get your classic fix.

I was looking forward to DQ IX when it was real-time, it's too bad the Japanese fans freaked.