BIOSHOCK 2 - Gen. Discussion & Info - Pushed to 2010

[n00bie]

the game has frozen on me 3 times already. no game has ever done that let alone on the first day!

I had a freeze in multiplayer :(

[timesplitt]

yea froze again. its only doing the freezing in the multiplayer. and it happens in the menus most. the gameplay for the most part is fluent except lagger and people with ***ty connections

any else notice the damage crap? i shoot a guy for a minute. doesn't die. i die from 1/3 as many bullets. then i get an assist. it annoys me when i use fire on someone twice and two grenades, ONLY for them to kill me with a shotty blast from 20 feet away

[wildcpac]

Game is pretty difficult on normal but I like the challenge.

Any lists on the Power to the People locations?

[DeskLaser]

Has anybody else picked up a Gamestop preorder and received a token card for the downloadable characters that looks like it is for the PC version? I figure its still the same Live service so it should still work, but if it doesn't I don't want to have to ask for a new card with the one I have scratched off already.

So I tried to put in the code, and I get error 800700e8. My card does have the Games for Windows Live logo on the front, and on the back it has PC requirement info. Looks like I need to call back into Gamestop and try to get a 360 card, ugh.

[Magus8472]

Game is pretty difficult on normal but I like the challenge.

Any lists on the Power to the People locations?

http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showthread.php?t=206590

[gareman]

I am loving being back in Rapture....this game is really unnecessary....but once again I love being back in Rapture!

[A Happy Panda]

Played about 30 min of MP and 45 min of SP...liking it so far. The MP seemed a bit janky to me, I think there was some definite lag, but it was OK, its not going to win any awards, but its fine.

Although I wish, given it was made by another studio, it had some extra polish.

I definitely see what the reviews meant by "it doesn't have quite the same feel." Same go for the graphics...like others have said, and before I had actually seen the game in action, it does look a little aged...they look good, but aged.

I'll agree with that other poster here, while Mass Effect 2 does not have "incredible" graphics, they are much sharper than BS2.

[life.exe]

Definitely some freezing issues while in multiplayer, mine froze 6+ times just last night. Others forums are saying the same thing.

[Malik112099]

Anyone else notice the plane wreckage the first time you are in the ocean?


Also, I check my map a lot and it bothers me that the map doesnt pop up centered on my arrow.

[gareman]

This game is awesome! You really get a sense of power once can defeat a Big sister with only 1 or 2 med kits.

[Salamando3000]

This game is awesome! You really get a sense of power once can defeat a Big sister with only 1 or 2 med kits.

What difficulty are you playing on? I'm going through on Hard, and it's kinda killing the feeling. I don't feel like a big daddy at all, since all it takes is a couple bullets or a couple wrenches to the face to render me in need of a med kit. I feel so fragile.

[Malik112099]

Yeah..i feel horribly underpowered and I am playing on normal.

[seanr1221]

I'm playing on easy and I feel like a Big Daddy :D

[klwillis45]

Game starts out hard and gets easier as you progress?
Sounds like Bioshock to me.

[lordopus99]

yea froze again. its only doing the freezing in the multiplayer. and it happens in the menus most. the gameplay for the most part is fluent except lagger and people with ***ty connections

any else notice the damage crap? i shoot a guy for a minute. doesn't die. i die from 1/3 as many bullets. then i get an assist. it annoys me when i use fire on someone twice and two grenades, ONLY for them to kill me with a shotty blast from 20 feet away

I have had 3 freezes in multiplayer. I personally havent seen too many laggy matches. As for the damage... if someone takes a picture of you, they get an advantage so it only takes two to three shots to take someone down... if they nail you with fire, all they need is one shot. Multiplayer can be summed up as chaotic. The modes dealing with sisters are rough... I just stuck with Civil War.

Add me to the list of people loving the rivet gun. I can't wait to start the single player.

[reddjoey]

UPS just dropped mine off. Now if they would just show up with me 360 (so I can stop sharing) I'd be set

[Ichigo1993]

Agreed with the above posters. It only takes a couple of shots for a splicer to get me down to no health, but I'm enjoying the ride thus far and don't mind the difficulty at all.

As for multiplayer, it's a good ride..but I can't see myself playing this a couple of weeks down the road. It's a nice addition, better than what I expected.

[seen]

I'm playing on normal difficulty with no vita-chambers. Its a lot of fun so far and is challenging but not impossible; I personally like it being somewhat hard since it would be boring to steam-roll all the splicers.

[Malik112099]

I upgraded my rivet gun twice and have found different ammo types and it is much better now....my life still drains quickly but I can take the splicers down much quicker than before. Also, the trap rivets are pretty badass. I love shooting as many as possible at a big daddy or big sister watching them stick and then go off. Pretty cool.

[seen]

So far I've upgraded the damage of the Rivet gun (I just found out you can look down the sights) and reduced recoil of the machine/rail gun. What is the point in upgrading the drill; its a risky weapon to use since you have the potential to take the most damage while using it.

[blair2100]

So far I've upgraded the damage of the Rivet gun (I just found out you can look down the sights) and reduced recoil of the machine/rail gun. What is the point in upgrading the drill; its a risky weapon to use since you have the potential to take the most damage while using it.

It can also be the most powerful, just like the wrench was in the first game after you upgraded it through the tonic slots.

[seanr1221]

Plus it takes down those brute splicers with ease.

[Malik112099]

Im looking forward to upgrading the Heat portion of the rivet gun (the part that says a couple rounds can ignite someone on fire)....after the first 2 upgrades regular rivets are dropping the splicers easily...im worried about spreading my upgrades thin across several weapons though and not having enough fire power in at least one of them....


After i got the 50 cal machine gun I thought i would be mowing down splicers but they take 50 cal bullets pretty well :-|

[seen]

After i got the 50 cal machine gun I thought i would be mowing down splicers but they take 50 cal bullets pretty well :-|

You need to get some anti-personnel ammo; it mows them down. Since I'm still early in the game I believe in spreading out my upgrades so I don't run out of ammo in a tight spot.

[sinkingships]

i love this game so far. i'm getting sucked in just like the first one.

[lolwut?]

Malik, you might want to throw some spoiler tags on some of your posts.

I'm really digging the main game so far; the story is kind of ehhh, but that's to be expected. Feels great to be back in Rapture

The multiplayer is what it needs to be; a fairly simple add-on that retains the Bioshock feel. I've only been able to play Deathmatch so far though; Team Deathmatch froze on me while trying to get a game.

[timesplitt]

I have had 3 freezes in multiplayer. I personally havent seen too many laggy matches. As for the damage... if someone takes a picture of you, they get an advantage so it only takes two to three shots to take someone down... if they nail you with fire, all they need is one shot. Multiplayer can be summed up as chaotic. The modes dealing with sisters are rough... I just stuck with Civil War.

Add me to the list of people loving the rivet gun. I can't wait to start the single player.
thats totally true about the damage plus thing. but sometimes they are able to do that when they have no damage plus on me. it phases me how a guy can kill me with no damage plus with just two crossbow shot while i freeze him and shotgun him right between the eyes.

i literally average like 20 assists a game because of this nonsense.

another example of a guy i find suspicious: I was running around as the big daddy. i was litterally two shooting everyone. i shoot this one guy 4 times, throw a green nade in his face. and I die from a double team.i was plain facing the rest of the match. i wanted to get revenge on him so bad but he left the lobby because of the 55 second wait!

[Scorch]

Im looking forward to upgrading the Heat portion of the rivet gun (the part that says a couple rounds can ignite someone on fire)....after the first 2 upgrades regular rivets are dropping the splicers easily..

Wow, you're having trouble with them? I click in the right thumbstick, go into iron sights mode, and pop them off headshot by headshot with the rivet gun. Usually takes one shot.

[MemphisChill901]

Just ordered of Amazon, hope it was worth it.

[gareman]

What difficulty are you playing on? I'm going through on Hard, and it's kinda killing the feeling. I don't feel like a big daddy at all, since all it takes is a couple bullets or a couple wrenches to the face to render me in need of a med kit. I feel so fragile.


I am playing on normal. By taking a big sister down with one or two med kits I mean under the right condition. Lured her under a hacked camera, had one of those flying machine gun things, set the oil slick on fire, hit her with the red and blue ball plasmid, and hammered her with harpoons and shot gun blasts.

I think that is what I like more about this game. The first one was great but was too easy....you could literally go through the game using the first couple of plasmids and maybe a few upgrades. This one takes some time to win a fight. I am loving setting up rivet traps and finding the nearest patch of water and a good corner before letting a little sister harvest adam. The difficulty also makes not killing little sister that much harder of a choice.

[Malik112099]

I am loving setting up rivet traps and finding the nearest patch of water and a good corner before letting a little sister harvest adam.


This x a billion

[strongpimphand]

is this game worth 50+ dollars?

i pre-ordered it but since it came in....i don't know if i wanna accept delivery or tell the ups person tomorrow that i'll refuse it. luckily i missed the package today and it requires a signature

50 dollars cash is 50 dollars cash....but some games are so good that it's just worth it. so, is this one of those games?

[dwhelan]

This was a great game, but I blame my lack of self control and being snowed in, that I completed my first run through a day. Ahh, not to wrestle with the same issue as before, do I achievement whore and harvest the little sisters, or do I stay digitally pure? :)\

is this game worth 50+ dollars?

i pre-ordered it but since it came in....i don't know if i wanna accept delivery or tell the ups person tomorrow that i'll refuse it. luckily i missed the package today and it requires a signature

50 dollars cash is 50 dollars cash....but some games are so good that it's just worth it. so, is this one of those games?

Did you like Bioshock 1? If so then I would say get it.

If you did not like Bioshock 1 because of the controls, but loved the story - I would say get it, vastly improved in that area.

If Bioshock was not your cup of tea, then this really is not going to change that point of view.

[gareman]

is this game worth 50+ dollars?

i pre-ordered it but since it came in....i don't know if i wanna accept delivery or tell the ups person tomorrow that i'll refuse it. luckily i missed the package today and it requires a signature

50 dollars cash is 50 dollars cash....but some games are so good that it's just worth it. so, is this one of those games?


If you really enjoyed the first one...then I would say yes. If it's not in your top games of this generation, then you may want to pass. Unless your biggest qualm with the first was the game play then yes.

[exileinoblivion]

Awesome game so far. Played a couple hours of both single player and multiplayer and so far am enjoying the hell out of both modes.

[gareman]

Awesome game so far. Played a couple hours of both single player and multiplayer and so far am enjoying the hell out of both modes.


I would enjoy the MP if the damn thing didn't freeze whenever I start to get the hang of it, and kick me off live before my progress is saved.

[thehuskerfan]

I've gotten through about 4 hours of single player, and I'm hooked.. I wish I didn't have to study for a test tomorrow!! I also haven't touched multiplayer... yet. I'm not even sure how much I'll play of that mode anyways.. The single player is where "it's" at!!

[Assau1tedCracka]

i just beat the game on normal......on difficulty, i found it very hard in the start also, but i feel it becomes unbalanced later....you all show see, but also weird glitch happened to me when i was playing with the dead kitty and telekinesis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyA7OAhMVXI

[sinkingships]

already played 3 hours straight today. the single player is so intense.

[Ink.So.Well.]

I just started single player on Normal for about an hour and I honestly can't say I've felt overwhelmed outside of the appropriate crescendo events or Big Sister encounters. Either of which were extremely manageable to begin with so if anything I've been breezing through just fine. Initially I was a bit disappointed by the lack of difficulty, ease of hacking and accommodating Rivet gun damage. Not to mention an abundance of well lit environments, cash, ammo and items all of which left me feeling rather invulnerable in and outside of regular combat. Much to my surprise however after settling in with the new mechanics via exploration I'm not only having a great time, but am also convinced most if not all of my hang-ups will be properly addressed as I push on. To its core I still feel like I'm playing a Bioshock game and in the end that is all that matters to me. Rapture has retained its natural charm and a few of its eldest cheap scare tactics, Big Daddy combat for the most part is still a perilous affair and hunting for radio diaries is every bit as worthwhile as it was in the original.

I think it is safe to say I'm very impressed by what I've seen so far because IMO this is exactly what a sequel should play and feel like. I want to feel as though the developers have built upon what made the original so damn great in the first place not ignore, water down, or complete obliterate it. I can already tell actual improvements were made with that in mind and I really appreciate it.

[TC]

Around three hours in and loving it. Haven't bothered with multiplayer yet.

[thamaster24]

Having a blast with this game right now. Like everyone is saying, being back in Rapture is awesome and so is the experience of playing as a Big Daddy. Can't wait til class is over today to get back into it.

[slickkill77]

Beat the game on hard last night. Absolutely loved the whole experience. I got the good ending. The last hour of the game is awesome. No other way to describe it

[gareman]

Beat the game on hard last night. Absolutely loved the whole experience. I got the good ending. The last hour of the game is awesome. No other way to describe it

That's all I keep hearing! I am very excited as I felt the first one had a great story but the last hour or so had that "Johnson didn't you finish the script for Bioshock?" "Uh-yeah I'll have it to you tomorrow!' (runs home and writes it in 4 hours).

[slickkill77]

It was relatively easy because at that point I had collected so much money and ammo etc that it wasn't hard. Also the game helps you with a certain gift, but the action is so well paced and they throw an interesting caveat that its just cool to watch it all unfold.

The game became very difficult during the middle parts(around Siren Allery) because all the ammo I had built got spent from continuous Big Daddy, little sister protects and Big Sister fights. There were literally times during big sister fights where I would die 10+ times and just have to get lucky. One time I used a big daddy to pimp slap a big sister. It was in Siren. I led a big sister into a small room and hid behind the big daddy. I allowed him to do all the work.

Some general thoughts....No spoilers
I liked the new hacking system but at the same time I missed the pipes. The pipes not only provided a challenge for your mind, they also gave you a rush of beating the fluid. I enjoyed being able to stay in the action in this one but what was the point of doing that and not allowing us to use our eve real time. Why was I forced to pause the game to replenish eve (not including the auto reload of eve).

I felt that the searching in this game was much easier and much more forgiving. In the first game the power to the people stations were well hidden but at the same time you could have missed out on one if you killed Cohen to early. Bioshock 2 went out of its way to make sure you really didn't miss things but it still provided a nice challenge overall.

The graphics were fine. No real issues with them. Obviously the mystique of Rapture was gone but I thought there were some truly stand out levels that showed Rapture perfectly (Ryans Amusements). The underwater exploration was cool albeit linear. The music was beautifully done just like in the first one. The atmosphere and lore of Rapture never gets old. From the bright colors of the coral to the wonderfully done recordings (except for Timmy in Dinonysas Park. F*ck you Timmy. With your squeky high voice and 5 minute recording).

[kurrptsenate]

i think the reason it paused for those is because its on the console and there is no way to be able to switch to the specific weapon/plasmid you want in a timely fashion and not be punished because the controller doesn't have enough buttons to map all the guns to.

I thought the entire game was a easy as hell, but I think it's due to my tonic choices, my plasmid gun combos, and my overall strategies for little sister harvests and bid daddy fights.

I hate that you could only hold $600 in your wallet. Thats just retarded. Oh yea, I can hold a friggin rocket launcher, 18 frag grenades, 12 proximity grenades, and like 8 heat seeking missles, but God forbid I can hold more than $600 in a friggin wallet

[thehuskerfan]

Just finished the game and I can honestly say that I was left wanting for more.. I won't go into details of course...

I REALLY LOVED the first game, and I'll admit that going back to Rapture was a treat, but the ending fight felt like a sub-par effort.

It's still a solid B+ in my book. 8-)

[kurrptsenate]

you wouldn't believe how many friggin people I killed till I realized I didn't have to kill people.

I remember thinking before that point "man, I haven't died for at least 3 hours".... then died twice because I killed like 50 dudes

[aspen1284]

Can you go backtrack through areas later on in the game to collect stuff you missed the first walk through? Im at Siren Alley now and it doesnt seem like Im going to be able to go back and get stuff I missed... :(

[wildcpac]

Can you go backtrack through areas later on in the game to collect stuff you missed the first walk through? Im at Siren Alley now and it doesnt seem like Im going to be able to go back and get stuff I missed... :(


No. Before heading on the train to leave Ryan Amusements the game told me to double check the area before leaving because you cannot return.

[thamaster24]

Don't know if this should be spoilered or not but I will anyway just for people who haven't gotten the camera yet.

I'm basically done with all research except for the thuggish splicers. Will there be more? I've been searching for them but can't find any at all. I'm about to finish Dionysis Park by the way

[slickkill77]

i think the reason it paused for those is because its on the console and there is no way to be able to switch to the specific weapon/plasmid you want in a timely fashion and not be punished because the controller doesn't have enough buttons to map all the guns to.

I thought the entire game was a easy as hell, but I think it's due to my tonic choices, my plasmid gun combos, and my overall strategies for little sister harvests and bid daddy fights.

I hate that you could only hold $600 in your wallet. Thats just retarded. Oh yea, I can hold a friggin rocket launcher, 18 frag grenades, 12 proximity grenades, and like 8 heat seeking missles, but God forbid I can hold more than $600 in a friggin wallet

They didn't use all the dpad buttons. They could of mapped the eve to one of them like they did with the med kit. You don't have to pause the game to switch guns or plasmids; only if you wanted a specific one. You can hold $800 not $600 btw.

What did you play it one hard? Theres no way you could consider it easy as hell on hard.

[Enclave Soldier]

Do any of you good sirs have a 48 live trial code I could use? I wanna give the multiplayer mode a try. Send me a pm if you happen to have one.

Thanks
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So far I'm really enjoying the SP. Ryan Amusements was a great level.

[MemphisChill901]

Frozen game 2 times in a 30min span. Fuck this.

[Scorch]

Finished it up tonight. If there's multiple endings, I'm sure that I got the bad one since I harvested all of the little sisters and killed anyone it gave me the option to.

Overall, the story was okay. As the above guy said, the first was better, the ending was kinda meh, but overall it's a solid B/B+. They could've done a lot worse.

If I had to complain about something, though, it's the variety of enemy types. Bioshock is a video game anomaly. Starting out, everyone is tough as hell, but later on, everything is a cakewalk. They'd throw two or three of the alpha series big daddy's at me and I'd shrug and take them out. The enemies never got more powerful, but I did. The game, like the first, gives you a decent amount of plasmids to upgrade and play around with, though I wish it forced you to get some of them so you could mess around with them all and decide what you want instead of the system they have.

I did run into the occasional "sound stuck" glitch - a sound would keep looping even though the situation was solved. It happened three times - once after I killed a Big Daddy (the little sister could still be heard crying even after I adopted her), once during a tense moment (tense music continued to play long after I killed all enemies) and once during an explosion (I could still hear what sounded like rumble falling down). A simple save/load took care of the situations (except the little sister crying one), but it was still annoying.

One thing I found to be funny was the comments the little sister made as she rode along your back. If you zap them with lightning, she says "Look! They're dancing! Dancing!".. when I set someone on fire, she said "Mmm.. marshmallows". I laughed.

Seeing the whole environment through the eyes of the little sister towards the end was amazing.

I won't be keeping it. I'm a huge Bioshock collector, but I have no desire to re-play this one. By the time I get the urge again, it'll be fairly cheap and I can just pick it up again.

Bottom line: A little above average game through and through, well worth it for the single player campaign, but the magic that the first one had is absent.

[phantomfriar2002]

Finished it last night -- great stuff. For me I liked the ending of this game a lot more than the first one. The first game's story just kinda petered out as you went; this one felt a bit more compelling and the last hour or two was really strong. Overall even if it was "more of the same" that's better than 99% of everything else I've played recently.

Highly entertaining, though the difficulty was again odd -- I switched to easy early on but switched back to normal later. Not particularly well balanced!

[Ink.So.Well.]

I honestly wish I hadn't delved into multiplayer. I'm having so much fun with it I don't think I'll be touching the campaign for a couple of days. I wasn't a fan at first but after a few games I have to say they've done a great overall job with it. Most if not all of the plasmid combos are well balanced so rest assured I've yet to deal with any zero risk/guaranteed reward Freeze/Charge combo shenanigans. Speaking of which that combo (though a one hit kill) is a high risk/high reward easier said than done affair. It takes up to 2 - 3 Freeze Blast shots to immobilize opponents (which can still shoot you btw) then you have to switch up to Aero Rush, aim properly and attack before it wears off, they or anyone else kills you. Fun when you can pull it off but otherwise not a practical or efficient method of killing on most maps.

Big Daddies are a huge pain in the ass to deal with without a team effort though a couple of people with Freeze Blast own it for free. One on one though... your ass is on borrowed time unless it's near death or on a half bar of life. My only concern with balance is your recovery after being stomped. Sure it has a slow start up and you're getting riddled with bullets, but once it hits an immediate rivet gun follow up (3 - 4 shots) guarantees a kill. There's very little your victim can do to stop it, but again locating a suit when it spawns or teaming up to kill a Daddy should be your main priority in most game types. It's way too damn easy to rack up kills if you stay on the move and take advantage of a scattered team when suited.

I'm looking forward to finding a decent team for Capture the Sister in the near future. I've already grown sick of every game I've played in ending in a draw. ;\

[gareman]

Done with the SP sooner than expected. I was hoping it would take long enough that the MP problem would be fixed. I am thinking I will really like it, because the two games I actually got to finish were really fun and I felt that addiction level rising.

Anyone want to play today or tonight....I actually have a Friday off work

[gareman]

I really wish there was a way to play through a second time with all you tonics and plasmids.

[CosmosTheMouse]

Playing through it now. It's great but doesn't have the feel the 1st did.

My only problem so far is that it seems "tighter" than the first. Once in a while you'll hit a large area, but most of the time it's in cramped spaces. Some of the textures can be muddy too, but I found this to be the case with the first as well though. I also find myself easily carrying max ammo and cash constantly while in the first I had to watch everything I was doing. 2K tried to do their best copying something that was already awesome in the 1st place.... they succeeded in some ways, but tripped on a few things.

Once I got Hypnotize lv2 I hardly need to shoot anyone now. Make 1 or 2 guys an ally and then murder them when yer done with em. I understand how all the reviews say it's a bit too "familiar".

Plus i'm really irritated about the amount of reading the optical drive of the 360 has to do when playing this. I actually like HEARING a game when playing, so I had to install it on the HDD and now have no space for anything else for a while. It sounded lik ethe thing was going to fly out the damn window.

[gareman]

Once I got Hypnotize lv2 I hardly need to shoot anyone now. Make 1 or 2 guys an ally and then murder them when yer done with em. I understand how all the reviews say it's a bit too "familiar".




ha wait til you get lvl3.

[A Happy Panda]

Once I got Hypnotize lv2 I hardly need to shoot anyone now. Make 1 or 2 guys an ally and then murder them when yer done with em. I understand how all the reviews say it's a bit too "familiar".


If you shoot them when they're hypnotized, they don't revert back as enemies?

[CosmosTheMouse]

If you shoot them when they're hypnotized, they don't revert back as enemies?

After they've been fighting with someone else for a while.... they're usually in no shape to take more than 1 hit. You could basically stand there and wack em over the head to "dismiss" them of their duty.

:lol:

[slickkill77]

Plus i'm really irritated about the amount of reading the optical drive of the 360 has to do when playing this. I actually like HEARING a game when playing, so I had to install it on the HDD and now have no space for anything else for a while. It sounded lik ethe thing was going to fly out the damn window.


You should get a bigger hdd and install everything. I couldn't imagine playing a game without installing it anymore

[wildcpac]

Regarding the Camera.

Do you have to kill the enemies in different ways (different guns, plasmids) to get it to increase? I keep on getting like a B PLus after the first few times.

[seen]

Man, I was flying through the game on normal. I restarted the game on Hard with no vita chambers and am now seemingly stuck at siren alley with no ammo and no money after taking out a big daddy and defending a little sister twice to get the adam :(

Luckily I found a better save and got myself to Siren Alley again but don't know how to kill the Big Daddy on Hard without using all my health kits and ammo; any suggestions?

[n00bie]

Don't know if this should be spoilered or not but I will anyway just for people who haven't gotten the camera yet.

I'm basically done with all research except for the thuggish splicers. Will there be more? I've been searching for them but can't find any at all. I'm about to finish Dionysis Park by the way

Plenty more.

[bigdaddybruce44]

Just finished up the single-player. Wonderful experience, in my opinion.

Tried a few multiplayer games. Definitely far from sold. It just feels somewhat unpolished.

[Ski Hawk]

For some reason, I am liking the unsophisticated style of the multiplayer; just run around and shoot, not much strategy involved. If anyone wants to add me, my GT is Tayman2037.

[gareman]

I'll add you in the mourning....I am loving the MP slightly unpolished, but I just had to move out of Modern Warfare Bad Company mindset, and go into it with a more Team Fortress for 360 attitude.

[timesplitt]

it doesn't work all the time because the people somehow disappear on my screen but i like the combo of aero dash - into shotgun - into beatdown. its pretty much guaranteed to kill. just lining things up is a pain.

anyone else having telekinesis activate twice from one button press?

[TC]

Tried multiplayer last night a was pleasantly surprised. Played three matches of free for all and it's pretty fun.

[sinkingships]

just finished the single player. way more fun than the first one, but i was a lot more impressed by the story in the first.

[thamaster24]

Plenty more.

I looked forever but eventually gave up and ended up beating it last night. Word of Warning for everyone trying to complete the research, take as many thuggish splicer videos as you can as soon as you get the camera. I didn't encounter anymore after a certain part of the game.

[bigdaddybruce44]

You're absolutely right. Thuggish splicers do disappear from the game. Spider splicers are only seen in a small segment, too, so make sure you start filming as you soon as you encounter them.

[life.exe]

I looked forever but eventually gave up and ended up beating it last night. Word of Warning for everyone trying to complete the research, take as many thuggish splicer videos as you can as soon as you get the camera. I didn't encounter anymore after a certain part of the game.

I actually got thuggish splicers done on the same level you get the camera.

[Thorgouge]

As long as you aren't playing on hard you can max out most tracks the same level you get the camera if you do all of the little sister gathers. I don't know why but I don't think i liked the single player as much as I liked it the first time playing the original Bioshock. Multiplayer is pretty fun but it feels like all of the weapons suck and my god is it way too laggy; feel like I'm playing L4D2 again it lags so badly. It's still pretty fun, however; especially when a Big Daddy suit spawns right in front of you 3 times in a row. Honestly, why the fuck do they spawn that shit in spots where people are at?

[timesplitt]

As long as you aren't playing on hard you can max out most tracks the same level you get the camera if you do all of the little sister gathers. I don't know why but I don't think i liked the single player as much as I liked it the first time playing the original Bioshock. Multiplayer is pretty fun but it feels like all of the weapons suck and my god is it way too laggy; feel like I'm playing L4D2 again it lags so badly. It's still pretty fun, however; especially when a Big Daddy suit spawns right in front of you 3 times in a row. Honestly, why the fuck do they spawn that shit in spots where people are at?
lol tell me about it. i was triple teamed once. and as i was on my killers camera. the suit spawned a few feet away from him(them)

[bigdaddybruce44]

Multiplayer is pretty fun but it feels like all of the weapons suck and my god is it way too laggy; feel like I'm playing L4D2 again it lags so badly. It's still pretty fun, however; especially when a Big Daddy suit spawns right in front of you 3 times in a row. Honestly, why the fuck do they spawn that shit in spots where people are at?

I feel you on all points. The game is definitely laggy as sin, the guns don't feel right, and the Big Daddy spawns are dumb. They should have made them some kind of reward. Or made them available, but you lose some of your Adam if you pick one up. Something. Anything. Not just have it randomly appear and then turn one lucky soul into the best player in the game. With good teamwork, fortunately, the Big Daddy is definitely fairly easy to take out, but come on. How many times do you really get a few good guys together? Generally, I'm just running around, racking up Adam, and doing my best not to get destroyed.

EDIT: And I think I've seen it mentioned previously, so I guess I am not the only one. The MP freezes constantly. The campaign did not freeze once one me, but I'd say the MP has frozen 15+ times, and I've only been playing for a few days. And I know it's not my console, because it rarely has any issues.

[evilpinkbunny]

Any one else having some problems finding games for multiplayer. It seems like it takes forever to find some of the game types.

[Hoffer]

I beat the single player game last night. I played it on PC, but it is GFWL which means achievements.

I enjoyed it quite a bit. My favorite way to take down a baddie was to freeze them and then shoot until they shattered. Seemed like a pretty effective way to take them down.

I only played one round of multiplayer. I think tonight I'll have to go back and play a few more rounds.

[BrettFarveRetired]

To me, this feels like two unfinished games, though the multiplayer feels way more unfinished. The single-player campaign isn't that bad. It just doesn't stand up to the experience of the first one. And the multi-player is just a mess. Lags a lot, and I never feel like I'm in control. Just feels random rather or not I play well. That they touted the fact that they pawned the multiplayer off on another development team makes it even more inexcusable how many bugs and issues people have had with it. Whoever worked on the multiplayer really needs to be thought about a second or third time before they get any more big projects.

[seen]

The online lag reminds me of the first Gears of War where the host lag will be soo bad that you can shoot an enemy multiple times without registering a hit!

[slickkill77]

The multiplayer is garbage. I played about 3 minutes and stopped. That doesn't take away from the great single player though.

[bigdaddybruce44]

Games that I like, I almost always feel compelled to get all of the achievements, but with this, I don't know. I've gotten up like level 22 or something on the MP, but I might not bother getting all the way up to 40. As someone else mentioned, I rarely feel like I'm in complete control, especially because of the lag. Players are constantly getting glitching all over the screen.

[slickkill77]

I just don't like the way the game feels and the guns feel very strange when shooting other players. I wasn't ever really sure if I was hitting someone and my incinerates lack of damage annoyed me.

[Jesus' Bush]

Ive only just finished the Ryan Amusements level and Im wondering if Im going to have to search every little nook and cranny for shit to stay alive the entire game. Its really pissing me off that I always have to walk into rooms and look for money/ammo/health instead of just playing the game. Do you have to hoard shit like that later on or do you get enough eve/health/ammo that you dont really have to worry about it?

[A Happy Panda]

Ive only just finished the Ryan Amusements level and Im wondering if Im going to have to search every little nook and cranny for shit to stay alive the entire game. Its really pissing me off that I always have to walk into rooms and look for money/ammo/health instead of just playing the game. Do you have to hoard shit like that later on or do you get enough eve/health/ammo that you dont really have to worry about it?

Isn't the hoarding a means to an end?

IDK, in BS 1, I remember pretty much gathering anything and everything I came across. I also searched just about everything I could, I figured that was how people played BS1 more or less?

[sinkingships]

Isn't the hoarding an means to an end?

IDK, in BS 1, I remember pretty much gathering anything and everything I came across. I also searched just about everything I could, I figured that was how people played BS1 more or less?

that's how i played.

[Malik112099]

I hate the camera...you dont really need to use it though, right?

[thamaster24]

that's how i played.

I played the same way

I hate the camera...you dont really need to use it though, right?

Not necessarily but you get huge damage bonuses and tonics so it would definitely benefit you to use it.

Playing MP, I think the best thing to do is play capture the sister mode. You can get a ton of adam from those matches especially if you start out as the big daddy.

[life.exe]

I played the same way



Not necessarily but you get huge damage bonuses and tonics so it would definitely benefit you to use it.

Playing MP, I think the best thing to do is play capture the sister mode. You can get a ton of adam from those matches especially if you start out as the big daddy.

CtS is actually one of the slowest to get ADAM. You get a lot but the games last double/triple the time all of the other games last.

IMO, Team ADAM Grab is pretty quick if you are on the winning team. The games are very short and if you hold the little sister you get 3 ADAM for every second you hold her. You can get 540 ADAM in the game by just holding the little sister for three minutes, plus another 200 for winning. That is 740 ADAM before you add in your kills/assists/bonuses.

[timesplitt]

im definitely reporting that son of a bitch. i was in a match killing people with barley an shots i couldn't kill this one guy no matter what ans no one else could either.

WITH damage plus on. it took me three homing grenades + 2 beat downs to kill this guy. and in the same match i was killing people with just two grenade hits (with NO damage plus)....

i fired two shotgun blasts right at his face with damage plus on he gets me with what. 5 machine gun bullets..

im telling you even with damage on him and firing everything i had... he wouldn't die. and I kept killing people in the match with half as much. i even froze him a few time and unloaded a few dozen bullets into him and still nothing.

[TheOtherBarber]

Okay, problem:



I'm in the Little Sister Orphanage in the Siren Alley portion of a game. Some spider splicers seem to have closed all the gates leading to the room and I can't open them to get out and I can't seem to find any buttons or switches to get out. Anyone have a solution?

[thehuskerfan]

Okay, problem:



I'm in the Little Sister Orphanage in the Siren Alley portion of a game. Some spider splicers seem to have closed all the gates leading to the room and I can't open them to get out and I can't seem to find any buttons or switches to get out. Anyone have a solution?



There should be a brute splicer to fight and then the door will reopen and let you leave.

[TheOtherBarber]

There should be a brute splicer to fight and then the door will reopen and let you leave.

I've already walked around the room for 15 minutes and nothing. I'm tired of this game not auto-saving until the end of the level. It's not that hard to implement a simple auto-save system after you do a goal in the level. Maybe I'll just go ahead and send the game back to GameFly and pick it up again later in the year when they fix some bugs.

[Malik112099]

I've already walked around the room for 15 minutes and nothing. I'm tired of this game not auto-saving until the end of the level. It's not that hard to implement a simple auto-save system after you do a goal in the level. Maybe I'll just go ahead and send the game back to GameFly and pick it up again later in the year when they fix some bugs.



you are missing something....you see spider splicers (or whatever they are) behind the gates and they walk away and then you see a brute and the gate opens and he tries to kick your ass....it isnt a bug, just put it down and come back to it later

[thamaster24]

IMO, Team ADAM Grab is pretty quick if you are on the winning team. The games are very short and if you hold the little sister you get 3 ADAM for every second you hold her. You can get 540 ADAM in the game by just holding the little sister for three minutes, plus another 200 for winning. That is 740 ADAM before you add in your kills/assists/bonuses.

Definitely, this gametype is awesome. Played a few rounds of it and really enjoyed it and got a ton of adam. The other team just seemed to worry about k/d.

CtS is great when you get to be the Big Daddy. I played one round of it and ended up with over 1000 adam. Something ridiculous like 31 kills 22 assts and 6 deaths all because the other team would try and ambush me as I was the Big Daddy. They didn't realize my entire team was there as well.

[bigdaddybruce44]

Thank you for pointing that out about Team ADAM Grab. Much appreciated. I will do that to boost and then put the game on the shelf, until I am ready for another playthrough.

[TheFreshPrince]

Just finished....great game, but I'm left confused......

Ultimately, what was Eleanor supposed to be? A 'perfect' person? A perfect leader/dictator for The Family? I get the Lamb was trying to put all of Rapture's memories into her, so that she could in effect 'do it all'....but what was the end goal??

Also, am I mistaken, or is Gil Alexander humongous in the tank???

[bigdaddybruce44]

Just finished....great game, but I'm left confused......

Ultimately, what was Eleanor supposed to be? A 'perfect' person? A perfect leader/dictator for The Family? I get the Lamb was trying to put all of Rapture's memories into her, so that she could in effect 'do it all'....but what was the end goal??

Also, am I mistaken, or is Gil Alexander humongous in the tank???

Lamb believed in the exact opposite of Ryan's reasoning for founding Rapture. Whereas Ryan wanted a society where the individual was not bound by the wants and needs of others, Lamb wanted one where everyone's purpose was to serve the whole. In order to do that, she needed a leader who infused all of Rapture's memories. That way, not only would they have all of their talents and knowledge, they would have their own identity of self removed.

Alexander was Lamb's first attempt, but that was an obvious failure due to the human body's ultimate reaction to too much Adam. But Eleanor became the perfect subject for the project due to her time as a Little Sister. She does not suffer mutations due to over-exposure.

[LinkinPrime]

I'm just about done with the first game, is the campaign on the 2nd one just as good as the first...I mean is it as engrossing as the first, same atmosphere, creepy moments...etc.

[n4styn4t3]

I'm just about done with the first game, is the campaign on the 2nd one just as good as the first...I mean is it as engrossing as the first, same atmosphere, creepy moments...etc.

The story is not quite as good, but the gameplay and graphics are much better if you are coming straight from BioShock 1.

[Nebenator]

I played for an hour or an hour and a half. I'm in Ryan's Amusement Park, and I just defended my little sister while she was harvesting ADAM for the first time. I'm currently playing on normal, and the game seems somewhat difficult for me. I'm getting through very rarely "dying" (I've used the vital chambers twice), but it requires a lot of pre-battle hacking, spending, ect. From this point does it get more difficult, and should I worry about decreasing the difficulty?

[Salamando3000]

The game starts out pretty hard, but gets a lot easier down the line. You'll get more weapons to use, upgrades for your weapons, level three plasmids, research bonuses, and you'll get more comfortable with what you have. If all else fails, just shock and headshot.

[FrankySox]

The game starts out pretty hard, but gets a lot easier down the line. You'll get more weapons to use, upgrades for your weapons, level three plasmids, research bonuses, and you'll get more comfortable with what you have. If all else fails, just shock and headshot.

There were definitely a couple of areas somewhere towards the beginning I was having trouble with but by the end of the game I was totally owning everything and rarely needing to use any health packs.

I'm just about done with the first game, is the campaign on the 2nd one just as good as the first...I mean is it as engrossing as the first, same atmosphere, creepy moments...etc.
I think the campaign is just as good. I remember when I played the first I had a VERY hard time putting it down. I had the same problem with 2, I think I beat it in 3 sittings, and I think it took somewhere around 15 hours, so I think it's a bit shorter. There is just something about these games that pulls me in and doesn't let go, this is one of the VERY few games that can creep me out. It is so damned satisfying blowing a splicer away with a shotgun, more so that any other game I've played before. Rather it's running up on an unsuspecting splicer, or searching for one that wont shut up to only have them pop up behind you and BOOM, they're head is missing and my screen is covered with blood. I can't ever remember talking shit to an enemy during a single player campaign.

[Logg]

Great game I even love the Multi Player also

[bigdaddybruce44]

There were definitely a couple of areas somewhere towards the beginning I was having trouble with but by the end of the game I was totally owning everything and rarely needing to use any health packs.

Indeed. And it's also like the first game in that regard. I remember the first couple of times I faced a Big Daddy in BioShock. Amazing experience, in my opinion. I thought I could never beat the very first one you encounter. I was running around, shooting, ducking behind stuff, freaking out, hoping the hacked turret would hurt him, anything. Then, later in the game, after you get the electric buck and the electric gel, the Big Daddy fights were an absolute joke. Same thing with the Big Sisters in this. The first time, I barely made it out alive. I burned through all my health packs and all my good ammo was gone.

[timesplitt]

anyone else have telekinesis activate twice on them in the heat of battle when you press once?!

[GUNNM]

yeah its annoying timsplitt you press it once it grabs something and lets it go and grabs something again very helpful when you're fighting a rumbler because grabbing that trashcan instead of a rocket was what I wanted to do

[Logg]

If anyone ever wants to team up to grind to rank 40 send a FR. For some reason I do very well in this game I went 17-1 the other night and was never even the big daddy.

[pinebarrens]

Just finished the campaign this afternoon. I really enjoyed it! The first few levels were pretty difficult on hard, but once I got to the later levels it became a piece of cake with too much ammo laying around. I have experienced some of the same bugs everyone else has. The one with where the big sister music doesn't go away was really annoying. One other problem I had was with that preacher guy. He followed me into the doorway and killed me and the door shut behind him. Then I spawned in the next room and I couldn't kill him because he was stuck behind a locked door.

[StickyWaffles]

Beat the single player. It seemed really long to me, and I enjoyed it the whole way through. I died quite a bit playing on normal, so if I ever go through the game on hard, I'll turn on the vitachambers for sure. I think I have 735/1000 points from the first playthrough, and I've played about an hour of multiplayer and gotten some of those achievements. The mulitplayer is a lot of fun, and I feel like I do really well in it. Hacking, researching, and the use of plasmids is a cool Bioshock only thing that makes this experience unique from the direct shooting that I've been doing in Modern Warfare 2. I only play Capture the Sister, since this game seems best suited for that.

I am suprised at how great the whole game is. I got it because the original Bioshock is one of my favorite games, but didn't think it would turn out to be as high quality as it definitely is.

[timesplitt]

lol i was trying to do the achievment where you havest without taking any damage. i hacked a turrent. put 4 mini turrets down. put 30 traps down. and i failed the get the achievement becuase i was hiding slitly behind a gatherers garden and when i came down i "damaged myself and didnt get it... lol i didnt save because i was already to get it anyway until i fell

[LinkinPrime]

First DLC due next month:

2K Games bolsters the multiplayer experience in BioShock 2 next month, with the release of the Sinclair Solutions Test Pack, bringing new trials, weapon upgrades, playable characters, and a rank increase to our second dose of Rapture. The Sinclair Solutions Test Pack, due out next month for the PC, Xbox 360, and PlayStation 3, is the first in what 2K Games is calling an "aggressive post-launch downloadable content plan" for BioShock 2. Focusing on multiplayer, the pack increases rank levels to 50, delivers two new playable characters in Louie McGraff and Oscar Calraca, adds 20 new trials, five additional masks, and a third weapon upgrade for each weapon.
As someone who hasn't even touched the multiplayer aspect of the game yet, this means nothing, but I'm sure it's lovely for those who have.
"The fans who waited in the snow, rain and cold for the midnight launch of BioShock 2 have spoken and their message is that Rapture still has many fascinating stories to tell," said Christoph Hartmann, president of 2K. "Downloadable content is a key part of our efforts to continue to entice the fans that have made 2K a household name - we intend to deliver single and multiplayer content that respects and expands upon one of the greatest fictional worlds ever created."
The Sinclair Solutions Test Pack will run players 400 Microsoft points or $4.99, depending on how they pay on what they play. Check out more screens from the DLC below.
And remember, this is just the opening shot. 2K plans much more DLC for BioShock 2, including narrative-exanding single player content that delves deeper into the lore of Rapture and its inhabitants.

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http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/kotaku/full/~3/SBAbVnwT32k/bioshock-2-dlc-begins-with-the-sinclair-solutions-test-pack

[A Happy Panda]

First DLC due next month:



http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/kotaku/full/~3/SBAbVnwT32k/bioshock-2-dlc-begins-with-the-sinclair-solutions-test-pack

Big time fail. The masks and playable characters are the only things that should have a cost associated with them.

The trials, new weapon upgrades and rank increase need to be free. The weapons especially. Seriously, $5 for better weapons? Its basically what people have feared for a long time with multi-player DLC.

[timesplitt]

bring on firefight DLC. with the ability to co-op it and summon a big sister!!

[bigdaddybruce44]

Big time fail. The masks and playable characters are the only things that should have a cost associated with them.

The trials, new weapon upgrades and rank increase need to be free. The weapons especially. Seriously, $5 for better weapons? Its basically what people have feared for a long time with multi-player DLC.

I'm not too concerned. Upgrades are not equal to better weapons. Look at the upgrades in the game. They all have a trade-off. If you get more firing power, the weapon fires slower. If you have get more rounds, the gun is weaker. I suspect that these new upgrades will be more of the same. I've already pretty much fallen in love with the set-ups I have, so I doubt I will even use these. Of course, now that I say all of that, I'm sure one of the upgrades will be something insane, and I'll look stupid.

Anyway, $5 for all of that doesn't sound too bad, so I will probably pick it up.

[TC]

Looking forward to seeing what single player content becomes available. A Firefight/Horde mode would be fun.

[Monsta Mack]

Well I finished the game yesterday. Honestly not bad and it followed that saying: "If it ain't broke. Don't fix it." and played out pretty well.

Surprisingly the multi-player is actually decent. Not mind blowing like Modern Warfare 2, but solid enough outside of the occasional bad lag.

If you liked the first you can't go wrong as long as your not expecting major additions and mind blowing plot twists this time around.

[wakawakawa]

Looking forward to seeing what single player content becomes available. A Firefight/Horde mode would be fun.

Yea, a horde mode would work well since the game has a variety of traps.

[Nebenator]

Two questions:

1. I'm in Siren's alley, with 2 little sisters left on the map. I can defeat the Big Daddys pretty easily (level 2 Winterblast), but getting ADAM from corpses depletes too much ammo and health, IMO. Would it be safer to adopt then rescue, harvest immediately, or adopt then search for ADAM? Note: I have the Proud Parent perk

2. Do Big Sisters appear randomly after harvesting or rescuing, or do they spawn when all the little sisters are gone from the map?

[lordopus99]

Two questions:

1. I'm in Siren's alley, with 2 little sisters left on the map. I can defeat the Big Daddys pretty easily (level 2 Winterblast), but getting ADAM from corpses depletes too much ammo and health, IMO. Would it be safer to adopt then rescue, harvest immediately, or adopt then search for ADAM? Note: I have the Proud Parent perk

2. Do Big Sisters appear randomly after harvesting or rescuing, or do they spawn when all the little sisters are gone from the map?

1) Personally, I did the adam harvest (i.e. adopt then search for adam); granted I was playing on normal. I found by placing/buying traps at entrances... I never really had to use my weapons during harvesting (especially that early on).
2) the Big Sisters for me came after i placed the second little sister into the vent.

[bigdaddybruce44]

The death trap tonic brings a smile to my face.

[Ruahrc]

Two questions:

1. I'm in Siren's alley, with 2 little sisters left on the map. I can defeat the Big Daddys pretty easily (level 2 Winterblast), but getting ADAM from corpses depletes too much ammo and health, IMO. Would it be safer to adopt then rescue, harvest immediately, or adopt then search for ADAM? Note: I have the Proud Parent perk

2. Do Big Sisters appear randomly after harvesting or rescuing, or do they spawn when all the little sisters are gone from the map?



Hey man, spoiler that!!! :) I was reading up on the thread and started to read your post till I realized what it was saying.

[bigdaddybruce44]

Huh? Sorry, but there are really no spoilers in that at all. He just mentioned characters and elements that are pretty well known to the game.

[Nebenator]

There's nothing to be spoiled. Everything I mentioned was a regular gameplay aspect you learn early on in the game. I'd still like some more feedback, though. And after doing a little research I found out the the Big Sister appears after every 3 little sisters.

[Magus8472]

If you aren't going to gather ADAM the best way is just to harvest them immediately, but you'll lose out on a bunch of ADAM as well as the good ending. You should really have so many resources at that point in the game that you shouldn't have much trouble harvesting. Spam Mini Turrets if you have to.

[Salamando3000]

There's nothing to be spoiled. Everything I mentioned was a regular gameplay aspect you learn early on in the game. I'd still like some more feedback, though. And after doing a little research I found out the the Big Sister appears after every 3 little sisters.

To be most specific, Big Sister comes after you finish up the last little sister in any level. At least that's how it worked in my game.

[LinkinPrime]

For those of you who have finished the game...does this game have alternate endings for saving the little sisters and for harvesting them?

[Magus8472]

To be most specific, Big Sister comes after you finish up the last little sister in any level. At least that's how it worked in my game.

It'll be the last little sister in every level if you deal with all of them. If not, every third (except the one you have to fight after the first sister).

For those of you who have finished the game...does this game have alternate endings for saving the little sisters and for harvesting them?

There are four endings (good, neutral, bad, really bad), though two (the bad and really bad ones) are very similar. Which one you get depends on how many sisters you harvest/whether or not you kill certain plot NPCs (Grace, Stanley, and Gil).

[TheOtherBarber]

you are missing something....you see spider splicers (or whatever they are) behind the gates and they walk away and then you see a brute and the gate opens and he tries to kick your ass....it isnt a bug, just put it down and come back to it later


took me long enough to reply but:


Well it is obviously a bug/glitch since there are absolutely NO enemies around me and no sounds either. The only sound I get is when I stand under the open ceiling in the room and the sleet(?) hits the helmet. The only thing besides me that is moving is the indicator arrow and it's pointing me towards a closed gate as well. (Sent the game back to GameFly, maybe I'll get it again later. Putting a ton more autosaves into the game would be nice but I'm not sure if that's do-able in a game update.)

[LinkinPrime]

There are four endings (good, neutral, bad, really bad), though two (the bad and really bad ones) are very similar. Which one you get depends on how many sisters you harvest/whether or not you kill certain plot NPCs (Grace, Stanley, and Gil).

Cool, thanks for the quick reply.

[weez3ddo]

I'm having the same issue as theotherbarber... I can't reach the audio diary inside the orphanage... The splicers closed the gate and i can't get to the other side... The good news is im not stuck inside but still... It's very annoying. Why would they have the splicers close the gate if we have no way of opening them.

[thamaster24]

I was having a ton of fun in the multiplayer but recently I've been getting killed a ton because of the lag the teleports some people. I'll be shooting at them and all of a sudden I'm dead and they're behind me. Still really fun if you can get a few people you know on to run as a group, you'll pretty much win every match.

[DarkNessBear]

Is there a solution to stopping the combat music when it gets stuck after loading? It is really annoying.

[GUNNM]

fun game almost done on hard wasn't really that hard but oh well

[uEih]

Check this wood carving out! AMAZING!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HCTNmBXPKU

Blowtorch brought all the details out.

[Kezmer]

I really wish this game would let you play through a 2nd time with all your stuff. I loved that about Dead Space. I hate getting all my stuff back since we all have our favorite weapons. maybe this will be DLC or something lol

[lordopus99]

I'm having the same issue as theotherbarber... I can't reach the audio diary inside the orphanage... The splicers closed the gate and i can't get to the other side... The good news is im not stuck inside but still... It's very annoying. Why would they have the splicers close the gate if we have no way of opening them.

You were supposed to grab it prior to leaving the room. It is one of three audio diaries that are missable. The other two being at the beginning of the game. There are more than 100 diaries so you will be fine for the achievement and if you want to hear the diary; you could find it online and listen there.

Is there a solution to stopping the combat music when it gets stuck after loading? It is really annoying.

I got stuck with the big sister music for a while as well. Mine didn't go away until a new load screen i.e. the end of the level I was on. Have you tried saving and exiting and coming back in to see if it reverted back?

[xFalkor]

just picked up a BS2 app that came out yesterday. Its a reference guide that has pretty much all the info you need. It's pretty sweet.

It's called BS2: Reference Guide.

[Swift900]

I was having a ton of fun in the multiplayer but recently I've been getting killed a ton because of the lag the teleports some people. I'll be shooting at them and all of a sudden I'm dead and they're behind me. Still really fun if you can get a few people you know on to run as a group, you'll pretty much win every match.

I'll admit that I was one of those guys who scoffed at the addition of a competitive multiplayer component to Bioshock 2. I figured the game's combat is very strategic and quirky, perfect for single player, and just wouldn't translate well to the realm of multiplayer. Oh how wrong I was...

After beating the single player game yesterday, I decided that I would at least give the multiplayer a chance before writing it off entirely. To my surprise I found that the developers put a lot of thought and care into crafting a very compelling multiplayer experience.

First off, you can play as a number of characters who actually exist within the world of Rapture. As you advance and level up, you unlock additional audio logs that further flesh out their different stories. These stories describe how splicing turned these everyday people into the monsters we confront in the games. For fans, this is a very sweet treat.

Jumping into the actual gameplay, I found that dual wielding plasmids and firearms against fellow players was actually a lot of fun. To my surprise, the strategy carries over very well. In fact, the multiplayer component actually includes new plasmids and gene tonics that are not found in the game and encourage various combinations (e.g. after freezing an enemy with the Winter Blast plasmid, you can dash right through your enemy with the Aero Dash plasmid, shattering their frozen body).

Unfortunately, the game is very choppy. I am not sure as to whether or not this is just severe lag I am experiencing or if the net code is just that bad. It makes aiming very difficult and pulling off the aforementioned plasmid combos especially difficult. As thamaster24 has said, you find yourself dead in a lot of firefights due to the lag hiccups. Further, it takes forever to find matches and often causes my 360 to freeze during the matchmaking process...

It is unfortunate and it makes me want to pull my hair out because there is a really fun and different multiplayer experience here that is nearly unplayable. Ironically, I hope that there is a Bioshock 3 if for the only reason that have an opportunity to iron out these bugs and provide gamers with a truly awesome multiplayer experience.

[Kezmer]

I am NOT a multi player fan at all in pretty much any game but this is pretty fun. I am getting my ass handed to me over and over but at rank 4 it seems to be a little better with the rush plasmid.

I am shocked that so few people use the plasmids at all. Of course nothing beats getting the big daddy suit and just smashing everyone left and right lol

[Swift900]

I am NOT a multi player fan at all in pretty much any game but this is pretty fun. I am getting my ass handed to me over and over but at rank 4 it seems to be a little better with the rush plasmid.

I am shocked that so few people use the plasmids at all. Of course nothing beats getting the big daddy suit and just smashing everyone left and right lol

Plasmids are key. The trick is using them appropriately in the environment (i.e. use Incinerate around oil slicks and explosive barrels, use Electrocute in the water, etc.)

Also, I found a new use for the Winter Blast plasmid today. In a game of capture the sister on Hephaestus, I was playing on defense when an opponent grabbed our sister. I was on his tail and went to shoot him with my Winter Blast to slow him down, but missed him ever so slightly. Instead, I hit the door directly in front of him, freezing it shut! With nowhere to go, I laid 2 direct frag grenades on his ass and stopped him in his tracks.

[bigdaddybruce44]

Yeah, freezing the doors shut is mentioned in one of those tip cards during loading screens. I've actually used it a couple of times to stop groups of enemies that were after me. Pretty effective when you're dealing with two or more people.

[thamaster24]

Kinda off-topic but the artist of the week's name in iTunes is Vita Chambers

[Kezmer]

hrmm freezing the doors? I am going to have to try that. I have to admit I got the grenade launcher last night and just got as high as aI could and just unloaded to the bottom, ended up with 190 soo close to winning my first match

[bill123]

just beat the game and man did it rock. But I got a question for you all? Is it me or did tenenbaum have absolutely no part in the game? After the one or two messages in the beginning I was really hoping to team back up with her but you hear nothing about her. Did I maybe miss some part in the game that explained what happened to her?

[bigdaddybruce44]

just beat the game and man did it rock. But I got a question for you all? Is it me or did tenenbaum have absolutely no part in the game? After the one or two messages in the beginning I was really hoping to team back up with her but you hear nothing about her. Did I maybe miss some part in the game that explained what happened to her?

No, you didn't miss anything. Or else I missed it, too, because she just disappears from the game.

[GUNNM]

yeah she's like BRB K? and never came back

[Swift900]

just beat the game and man did it rock. But I got a question for you all? Is it me or did tenenbaum have absolutely no part in the game? After the one or two messages in the beginning I was really hoping to team back up with her but you hear nothing about her. Did I maybe miss some part in the game that explained what happened to her?

I absolutely agree. Tenenbaum is one of the most important characters in the history of Rapture and she is utterly shit on in this game. Tenenbaum is the catalyst that led to the ultimate destruction of Rapture. She discovered ADAM and its wondrous effects and further developed the twisted procedure for producing large amounts of ADAM, which we know involves the Little Sisters.

In Bioshock 2 we find out that, after the events of the original Bioshock, Tenenbaum left Rapture with Jack and the Little Sisters he saved and watched her Little Sisters grow older, become successful, fall in love, etc. About 10 years later, Tenenbaum learns of young girls being kidnapped along the Atlantic Coast, Tenenbaum returns to Rapture to find out what is going on.

When we meet up with her early on in the game, we find out that Dr. Sofia Lamb has picked up Tenenbaum's work where she left off and has continued her sick procedures. Tenenbaum asks for Delta's assistance in saving the Little Sisters and advises the player to take the Atlantic Express and meet up with Sinclair, an ally. At this point we have to fend off a rush of Splicers long enough for Tenenbaum to escape to safety... and we never hear from her again. Not in person, not over the radio, not even in the form of an audio log, nothing.

[Salamando3000]

I absolutely agree. Tenenbaum is one of the most important characters in the history of Rapture and she is utterly shit on in this game. Tenenbaum is the catalyst that led to the ultimate destruction of Rapture. She discovered ADAM and its wondrous effects and further developed the twisted procedure for producing large amounts of ADAM, which we know involves the Little Sisters.

In Bioshock 2 we find out that, after the events of the original Bioshock, Tenenbaum left Rapture with Jack and the Little Sisters he saved and watched her Little Sisters grow older, become successful, fall in love, etc. About 10 years later, Tenenbaum learns of young girls being kidnapped along the Atlantic Coast, Tenenbaum returns to Rapture to find out what is going on.

When we meet up with her early on in the game, we find out that Dr. Sofia Lamb has picked up Tenenbaum's work where she left off and has continued her sick procedures. Tenenbaum asks for Delta's assistance in saving the Little Sisters and advises the player to take the Atlantic Express and meet up with Sinclair, an ally. At this point we have to fend off a rush of Splicers long enough for Tenenbaum to escape to safety... and we never hear from her again. Not in person, not over the radio, not even in the form of an audio log, nothing.

Yeah, it's a fairly common complaint I've heard more than once on assorted forums. Either one of two things will happen - that storyline thread will go unresolved, which sucks,or that thread will be the subject of upcoming DLC, which still sucks (shouldn't have to pay for DLC to resolve lingering aspects of the game).

[bill123]

I'm glad you guys experienced the same thing. I was worried that I might have missed some audio logs or something that alluded to what happened with her. Hopefully a DLC wraps up what happened with her during the game.

[life.exe]

I'm glad you guys experienced the same thing. I was worried that I might have missed some audio logs or something that alluded to what happened with her. Hopefully a DLC wraps up what happened with her during the game.

Or maybe in Bioshock 3 we see what happened to her...

[Rig]

I can't seem to get myself into the multiplayer. Maybe I just haven't tried hard enough.

Really enjoyed the SP though.

[bigdaddybruce44]

Took me awhile to get into. At first, I felt like I was just grinding to get the achievements, but it grew on me. The thing I like about it is that it reminds a bit of Metal Gear Online, in that the game isn't ALL about twitch reflexes. Yeah, guys who good at shooters are still going to play well and probably beat you, but you still have a chance, because there is an element of strategy to the game, as well.

[psyXcho]

DO NOT BUY this DLC for Bioshock 2!

It's 108KB which means it's already on the disk. These crooks are charging $5 for something you should have received in the first place. Avoid this pack.

[macjz212]

maybe if no one buys it, they'll give it away

[MSUHitman]

According to another CAG who made another thread instead of just bumping this one, the DLC that came out today is just a 108kb unlock file. That stuff is already on the disc.

[Salamando3000]

Of course it's an unlock code. Any multiplayer DLC of this nature will make it in the game on the disc or in an update. They need everyone on multiplayer to have it so that anyone with it can actually appear as a convict/playboy to anyone else.

[mykevermin]

Thanks for the headsup. I don't support paying for unlock codes.

[BingoBrown]

Of course it's an unlock code. Any multiplayer DLC of this nature will make it in the game on the disc or in an update. They need everyone on multiplayer to have it so that anyone with it can actually appear as a convict/playboy to anyone else.

This is the truth. The multiplayer skins need to be on there, or else everyone would have to download a patch to put them in the game.

It still sucks though. Not worth the money for what they're offering, but that's par for the course with most DLC.

[bigdaddybruce44]

Honestly, I couldn't possibly care less about this "issue." We all know that companies develop DLC alongside games. This is not some kind of breaking news. If it comes out a month or so after the game, it didn't just pop up out of nowhere. As long as the main game is worth my initial investment, I'm not worried about what's on the disc. If it's worth $5, I'll pay for it. If it isn't, I won't.

[bigdaddybruce44]

Of course it's an unlock code. Any multiplayer DLC of this nature will make it in the game on the disc or in an update. They need everyone on multiplayer to have it so that anyone with it can actually appear as a convict/playboy to anyone else.

2K released a statement about the uproar over the DLC and said this was indeed the reason why the content is "on the disc."

For this content, creating the DLC package the way we did allowed for us to not split the player base – so whether you purchase the new content or not, you can still play with your friends.What's funny is that I see people trying to spin this and saying that 2K still won't admit to it being "on the disc." But simply reading the statement makes it quite clear what they are saying. And frankly, if I had to choose, I'll go with this. I have seen many MP games get all splintered and fractured due to people having various amounts of the DLC or none of it at all.

[mykevermin]

If they release DLC that actually has to be downloaded, then, or if they every update the game on the whole, their excuse is ruined.

Of course, there are so many games that do exactly that that 2K's justification is weak as hell.

[klwillis45]

It'll be the last little sister in every level if you deal with all of them. If not, every third (except the one you have to fight after the first sister).


???

I just got a Big Sister after saving the 2nd of 3 Little Sisters in Sirens Alley. I've saved every little sis thusfar & I'm playing on Hard with Vitachambers off.

[freshzen]

I beat the game today, although it was very enjoyable it felt a bit short. The multiplayer is actually way more fun than what I expected but its still a bit laggy. I ended up not getting 100 audio logs and I also missed the weapon upgrades because I assumed at first it would be like the first Bioshock in that I would be able to freely travel around at some point, not the case. Still need to go back and beat the game on hard any way, which I won't mind at all cause the game is awesome.

[TheShepherdSauce]

So, I just beat the game and was hoping someone could clarify the ending.

When I beat the game and got the good ending, my first thought was that you (big daddy) were already dying from your injuries. So, her gathering adam from your body was a last effort to preserve you in her mind.But after I watched the alternate endings on youtube, one of the bad endings seems to imply that she kills you on purpose:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5XSHtPSxFw
(2nd ending)


If that's the case, does it apply to the good ending? Did she purposely kill you in the good ending as well? If so, that just makes the ending even more interesting imo. It proves that she's still fucking insane in the head. :shock:

Also, I found this for $18.63 on Amazon and thought I'd share. It's pretty damn cool in my opinion:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61%2B93ElklGL.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/BioShock-Big-Daddy-Plush-Doll/dp/B0036WT50K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=toys-and-games&qid=1275758021&sr=8-1-catcorr

[life.exe]

So, I just beat the game and was hoping someone could clarify the ending.

When I beat the game and got the good ending, my first thought was that you (big daddy) were already dying from your injuries. So, her gathering adam from your body was a last effort to preserve you in her mind.But after I watched the alternate endings on youtube, one of the bad endings seems to imply that she kills you on purpose:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5XSHtPSxFw
(2nd ending)


If that's the case, does it apply to the good ending? Did she purposely kill you in the good ending as well? If so, that just makes the ending even more interesting imo. It proves that she's still fucking insane in the head. :shock:

Also, I found this for $18.63 on Amazon and thought I'd share. It's pretty damn cool in my opinion:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61%2B93ElklGL.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/BioShock-Big-Daddy-Plush-Doll/dp/B0036WT50K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=toys-and-games&qid=1275758021&sr=8-1-catcorr

I cant really remember the ending that well as I played it quite awhile ago, but I thought she does it because you are dying already. Now depending on how you played during the game (Good or Evil) when she extracts your consciousness she ends up being the type of person you were during the game. If you were good during the game, she becomes good as well because of your conscience. If you were evil during the game (You were saving yourself instead of the little sisters), she would become an evil doer as well because of your conscience.

Or something like that.

[Nico0020]

I have really gotten into the Multiplayer for this game. I really didn't think I would as I never liked the COD style where you unlock weapons and such. At the beginning it was annoying due to having nothing, but I have been playing a ton (and gotten my friends into it) and level 42 now.

I bought the Metro Pack DLC and have yet to play on any of the maps in matchmaking, but 2K games say they have a patch coming that will make DLC playlists. 2K also said the next DLC will finally be single player DLC.

I highly suggest the multiplayer as it really does add to the experience of the game. All the characters have their own personality, with audio dairies to unlock - and a nice cutscene when you hit level 40.

[Mazakrov]

Single Player DLC? Hopefully it's not just new plasmids.

[macjz212]

I highly suggest the multiplayer as it really does add to the experience of the game. All the characters have their own personality, with audio dairies to unlock - and a nice cutscene when you hit level 40.

I have to agree on this point. It was very unexpected and a nice little bonus.

[chimpster1313]

Is the online community for this still doing at least decent? I just got this a week ago and I wanna test the multiplayer waters when I'm done with the story.

[dmaul1114]

I just finished the single player the other day. Plan to check out the online sometime soon before throwing it on Goozex.

[Nico0020]

There are still a very good amount of people playing online. Make sure to download the "free" version of the Metro Pack - The kill em kindly pack. I still play daily and almost always get full games. The only problem with online is if you bought the metro pack, you can never find the new maps. A DLC only playlist is on its way according to 2K games, it's just taking forever.

[brkptr]

Did anyone else have problems with corrupted saves on this game? I saw on some other sites that people had problems with the game freezing while they were saving, but I was having problems with the xbox freezing when trying to load certain saves. Fortuantely I cascade my saves so I didn't have to repeat the whole game, but somehow all of my saves from the second half of Fontaine Futuristics level were corrupted. Even after I restarted from earlier in that level, any new save I made in that second half would not load. I managed to get through the rest of that section without dying, and then had no problems with corrupted saves the rest of the game (just finished it this weekend). Weird stuff.

[Javery]

So I finally started this over the weekend. I know I'm way late to the party but so far so good. Bioshock is one of my all time favorite games and so far this one seems to pick up right where the first one left off.

What is the best way to play through the game in order to maximize achievements? Are there any ones that you can miss and never get back too (like some of the audio diaries in the first game)?

[Salamando3000]

Bioshock 2 is a lot less friendly with allowing backtracking. As a general rule of thumb, once you leave an area, do not plan on going back. This means making sure you take care of all Little Sisters, Audio Diaries, and Weapon Stations. You have some leeway on the Diaries, as you need 100, but there are around 130 iirc. Everything else though, make sure you find them.

There's a secret achievement in the Amusement Park level that involves telekenetically throwing a golf club at a Andrew Ryan robot. Just like the first one, there's an achievement for taking the "good" path throughout the game, but none for the "evil" path.

[Corvin]

What is the best way to play through the game in order to maximize achievements? Are there any ones that you can miss and never get back too (like some of the audio diaries in the first game)?

I just finished it this weekend and got all but 1 achievement (9-Irony) on my first play through (no guide used either).

First you have to play on hard, turn off Vita Chambers and save every little sister (there are a couple other people you have to save as well that count toward an achievement. Advice, just don't kill anyone that isn't a Big Daddy, Big Sister or Splicer and you should be good. *it should be noted* that playing on hard, w/o vita chambers and saving the little sisters is brutally hard early on. Some Big Daddy/Big Sister battles took many restarts and sometimes 30-45 minutes to win, BUT it's very satisfying when you do finish a battle. You will also run out of money often.

As Salamando said, there is a nice buffer zone on audio diaries, but I'd still recommend being vigilant about finding them. I don't think there are quite 30 extra, I'd say closer to a dozen extra. Enough that allows you to miss a few but not so many as to be lazy about searching for them. Be sure and incinerate all ice "blocks" as well as a few are hidden under ice. Weapon Upgrade stations are fairly easy to find, so finding all of them shouldn't be too difficult.

Basically, just focus on the map and saving. Make sure you visit every room, and every nook and cranny of each room. Places you haven't been to are shaded a different color tan than the rest of the map. Once you hop onto the train to get to the next "chapter" you can't go back, so make sure you have covered the entire map before moving on.

As for saving, save A LOT and keep multiple saves so you can backtrack if need be. I had probably 5 saves per area. When starting a section, I'd make 2 saves. Then as you progress through the level just save over top of one of them and if you fuck anything up as a last case scenario you can go back to that fresh save before you started doing anything. I would also start a new save each day in case something went wrong I could only go back a day's worth of work. I would also save on the train PRIOR to activating it so I could go back through the level if need be. Yeah, I probably have too many saves, but better safe than sorry, especially early on in the game.

If you are going to try the hard route, good luck. You'll need it.

[matto1233]

Has anyone gotten Protector Trials? It's kind of an off the radar DLC, and it looks like a lot of fun, but I haven't bought it yet because I haven't heard ANYBODY talk about it.

[life.exe]

Has anyone gotten Protector Trials? It's kind of an off the radar DLC, and it looks like a lot of fun, but I haven't bought it yet because I haven't heard ANYBODY talk about it.


They waited to long to release SP DLC, nobody is interested in this game anymore.

Personally, I'm waiting on all of this DLC to be one of the "Deals of the Week".

[Corvin]

They waited to long to release SP DLC, nobody is interested in this game anymore.

Personally, I'm waiting on all of this DLC to be one of the "Deals of the Week".

Not to mention the DLC is centered around the worst game mechanic in Bioshock 2. Protecting wasn't awful, but it definitely doesn't need to be explored further in DLC (at full price anyway).

[dmaul1114]

Not to mention the DLC is centered around the worst game mechanic in Bioshock 2. Protecting wasn't awful, but it definitely doesn't need to be explored further in DLC (at full price anyway).

Yeah, that was my least favorite part of the game for sure. I probably wouldn't bother with this DLC even if it was free.

[lordopus99]

Not to mention the DLC is centered around the worst game mechanic in Bioshock 2. Protecting wasn't awful, but it definitely doesn't need to be explored further in DLC (at full price anyway).

Agreed. I hated protecting the lil ones.

[Nico0020]

Not to mention the DLC is centered around the worst game mechanic in Bioshock 2. Protecting wasn't awful, but it definitely doesn't need to be explored further in DLC (at full price anyway).


Tell that to the many people at The Cult of Rapture site. This new DLC has unlockables that show you a preview of the next single player DLC which is story based. I so far am enjoying the new dlc as it is quite challenging. Plus it fixed the rebirth glitch, and the southpaw controls glitch that plagued my gaming.

[dustdust]

i enjoyed the game for what its worth, but im not too fond of the multiplayer. sure its a fun experience, but something seemed to be missing..wouldnt mind picking up one or two dlcs though

[bardockkun]

So next DLC will bring a "conclusive ending to Bioshock 2." I Don't know about that, I liked the super good ending I got in Bioshock 2. Gave me a feeling I actually accomplished something in the end.

[Javery]

I just started the third level (Pauper's Drop?). So far it has been GREAT. I tried getting a MP match going but I sat in the lobby for 10 minutes and gave up.

[dashrendar]

I just started the third level (Pauper's Drop?). So far it has been GREAT. I tried getting a MP match going but I sat in the lobby for 10 minutes and gave up.

Try getting a MP match at night, more people are generally playing. It has a CoD style lobby system so once you're in a game, you don't have to worry about finding another group of people.

[jonathanp]

So... the Minerva's Den DLC is hitting sooner then I thought on August 31st at $10. IGN has a preview here (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/111/1116106p1.html). Anyone else picking it up?

[Ryuukishi]

Plus it fixed the rebirth glitch, and the southpaw controls glitch that plagued my gaming.
Did it really? Was this a universal title update, or do you need to buy Protector Trials for Rebirth to not wipe your stats?

[bardockkun]

So... the Minerva's Den DLC is hitting sooner then I thought on August 31st at $10. IGN has a preview here (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/111/1116106p1.html). Anyone else picking it up?
I Think I'm gonna wait on reviews or word of mouth before buying it.

[life.exe]

So... the Minerva's Den DLC is hitting sooner then I thought on August 31st at $10. IGN has a preview here (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/111/1116106p1.html). Anyone else picking it up?

I'll wait for them to eventually make Minerva's Den and Protector Trials a DotW together before I pick it up. At least it is 800, instead of the steadily increasing normalcy of 1200.

[Hoffer]

I got Bioshock 2 yesterday from Gamefly for like $11 after $5 coupon. I already played the game on PC, but will play it again on 360. I'll probably pick up this new DLC. I think existing DLC is supposed to be on sale next week. I'll probably get some of that as well.

[dmaul1114]

Had just listed this on Goozex, will put it on hold pending reviews of Minerva's Den.

[Nico0020]

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[crzyjoeguy]

anyone pick it up? if so is it worth the 800 space bucks?

[Nico0020]

Picked it up day one, beat it in two days. Its quite good for 10 dollars, and is three areas long. Although the achievements were not listed/fixed by MS until today, so I'll have to recover my gamertag and go back and re do it to get them (which I'm quite okay with.)

Also, if you completed the protector trials, you will have access to an extra gene tonic (the one that increases gathering times for the little sisters).

[Daywalker]

Picked it up day one, beat it in two days. Its quite good for 10 dollars, and is three areas long. Although the achievements were not listed/fixed by MS until today, so I'll have to recover my gamertag and go back and re do it to get them (which I'm quite okay with.)

Also, if you completed the protector trials, you will have access to an extra gene tonic (the one that increases gathering times for the little sisters).

Defintiely worth the 10 bucks, I wish they focused more on single player DLCs than releasing the stupid multiplayer DLC. This was supposed to be the last DLC for BioShock 2 correct? I'd be disappointed if that was the case since after beating Minerva's Den, I wanted more!

[klwillis45]

I bought MD last night. As soon as I saw that message about the extra tonic at the Gather's Garden, I quit & bought the protector trials as well.

Damn you 2K for praying on my Bioshock OCD. :bomb::D

[dmaul1114]

Glad to hear this is good. Something to play through this weekend!

[crzyjoeguy]

thanks nico, and daywalker. i think i will pay the $10 fee since i want a reason to play some more bioshock.

[Mr Dude65]

Yeah, just finished Minerva's Den. Best downloadable content for a game that I have played in a long time. The story is interesting and breath-taking, and the new toys are AWESOME!!!! The only thing I would gripe about, is that I kept getting side-tracked from what I was doing because there was too many nooks and crannies to explore. Don't get me wrong, I'd explore them all if I were you (I did), but I thought it kind of took away from it all. Maybe if they had closed off certain sections until an action was completed?? Maybe it's just me. This definitely has my approval and recommendation, though!!!!!

[garfep]

Is the DLC just accessible from within any previous save, or do I need to start a new game? Or is it just a whole separate thing on the menu?

[Mr Dude65]

GO to Downloadable Content on the Single Player menu after you've downloaded it. It should be right there.

[Salamando3000]

Man, I'm hearing a lot of good things about this DLC. Now I just need to wait for it to actually come out for the PC version of the game. Though, we don't even have the protector trials yet, and the consoles have had that for, what, a month now? Really grinds my gears whenever companies shaft the PC like this.

Well, at least I have a rubber ball I can bounce against the wall...

[Mr Dude65]

Man, I'm hearing a lot of good things about this DLC. Now I just need to wait for it to actually come out for the PC version of the game. Though, we don't even have the protector trials yet, and the consoles have had that for, what, a month now? Really grinds my gears whenever companies shaft the PC like this.

Well, at least I have a rubber ball I can bounce against the wall...

Buy the 360 version from gamefly for $15!! Then, you can get all the DLC. You can probably sell the PC version for $10 or something. Just a thought.

[Salamando3000]

Buy the 360 version from gamefly for $15!! Then, you can get all the DLC. You can probably sell the PC version for $10 or something. Just a thought.

Hehe, much easier said than done. Picked the game up off Steam. Even if I did get the boxed version, the key for the Multiplayer has already been used (even if it doesn't get tied to my account, the other person has no guarantee that I won't continue to use it to log in), so there still wouldn't be much in the way of resell value. Kinda makes it hurt a little more, since we go through a deal of extra work to get the same end result, and still get shafted on DLC.

Can't complain too much though. Well, maybe the "can't" boat has sailed, but at least I shouldn't... I picked the game up for $30 or so at launch, and it came with a free copy of Bioshock 1. I could probably pick up a new version of the game and still end up paying less for everything than some people here.

[Mr Dude65]

Hehe, much easier said than done. Picked the game up off Steam. Even if I did get the boxed version, the key for the Multiplayer has already been used (even if it doesn't get tied to my account, the other person has no guarantee that I won't continue to use it to log in), so there still wouldn't be much in the way of resell value. Kinda makes it hurt a little more, since we go through a deal of extra work to get the same end result, and still get shafted on DLC.

Can't complain too much though. Well, maybe the "can't" boat has sailed, but at least I shouldn't... I picked the game up for $30 or so at launch, and it came with a free copy of Bioshock 1. I could probably pick up a new version of the game and still end up paying less for everything than some people here.

That kinda sucks for you. :cry: I'd still recommend picking up the 360 version from gamefly and getting the DLC. Total would be $25, but it's about 5-6 hours (at least it was when I played it) so $4-$5 an hour isn't too bad for the entertainment. Plus, you can get more achievements!!!! The story is GOOD!! People say that all the time, but if 2K had wanted too, I'm sure they could have made a full game out of it. It's very well told.

[Salamando3000]

I do that, then I'd be willingly patronizing a company who's screwing me over. It's kind of appalling that I'd even need to consider going that route for DLC for a game I bought, and there's no good discernible reason why it isn't available to me.

[Mr Dude65]

I do that, then I'd be willingly patronizing a company who's screwing me over. It's kind of appalling that I'd even need to consider going that route for DLC for a game I bought, and there's no good discernible reason why it isn't available to me.

Never thought of that. Good point. If you're okay waiting it out, then I'd do that.

[Nico0020]

Did it really? Was this a universal title update, or do you need to buy Protector Trials for Rebirth to not wipe your stats?

(Sorry I never replied to this) But yes it does fix the rebirth glitch, but only on 360, PS3 still has the bug and PC hasn't gotten a patch yet. The patch is a title update, so its free and does not require you to buy the protector trials.

[Javery]

I'm going to finish Bioshock 2 this weekend (I'm on the last level) and I think I'm going to immediately buy Minerva's Den DLC. From what you guys are saying it seems well worth it.

[bigdaddybruce44]

Damn, between this and ME2, I have a lot of content to catch up on. My wallet screams for mercy.

[Javery]

Just beat it. AWESOME game. I loved it. I can't understand why this one didn't get the same praise as the first game. It was amazing from start to finish.

I'm probably buying Minerva's Den but not tonight - too tired...

[Javery]

I'm debating playing through on Hard. I beat it on normal and I got the Brass Balls achievement for not using Vita Chambers but I hear Hard is really really hard. by the end of the game though I was blasting splicers all over the place and I was pretty good at comboing the plasmids with the weapons. I don't know - it took me over 2 months to finish the game so I don't know if I'm up for that again - too many other games to play...

[namtrahj]

Just beat it. AWESOME game. I loved it. I can't understand why this one didn't get the same praise as the first game. It was amazing from start to finish.


I agree. I just beat it last night too and I think I even liked it a little bit more than the first BioShock, which was already one of my all-time favorites. I especially don't understand complaints about the story--it didn't have the twist or the scope of the first but it had an emotional depth that you don't find in games very often. The level where you play as a Little Sister and see their twisted view of the world was pure awesome.

[bigdaddybruce44]

I definitely enjoyed this game as much as the first. Yeah, the first game was a real breath of fresh air and really benefited from the plot twist. Still, this game had plenty going for it, too, including the surprising enjoyable multiplayer.

[Fjordson]

I don't like it as much as the first game, but it was enjoyable.

I just started Minerva's Den last night. I'm not usually into DLC, but more time in Rapture is fine by me. Seems really cool so far.

[Corvin]

Just beat it. AWESOME game. I loved it. I can't understand why this one didn't get the same praise as the first game. It was amazing from start to finish.
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I agree.

It's hard to compare the two. Bioshock was something fresh and original that had a great twist at the end. Bioshock 2 on the other hand benefits from perfecting the action and as such it seems more fun.

I really need to replay the first again though.

[dmaul1114]

Just finished the Minerva's Den DLC. It was awesome, nice twist at the end. Definitely a must get for anyone one who loved the main game.

As for comparison to the first game, it was better in plot and atmosphere. But the gameplay is more refined in this one--though the protecting the little sister sequences get old. They're not really hard, just get tedious with setting traps over and over etc.

[Fjordson]

Just finished the Minerva's Den DLC. It was awesome, nice twist at the end. Definitely a must get for anyone one who loved the main game.

As for comparison to the first game, it was better in plot and atmosphere. But the gameplay is more refined in this one--though the protecting the little sister sequences get old. They're not really hard, just get tedious with setting traps over and over etc.
Yeah, I absolutely hate the gathering sequences. I've only been doing it once per little sister with Minerva's Den.

I'm enjoying it a lot thus far. Just got the high score achievement on the Spitfire machine. I thought that was a neat little touch.

[namtrahj]

Just finished Minerva's Den and it was definitely worth it. There was too much gathering again, although I guess you have to get ADAM somehow, but the new weapon was pretty kick-ass. The story provided a good bit of interesting (if unessential) background information on Rapture's infrastructure. I thought the main bad guy was kind of a generic wacko and the twist at the end was overly telegraphed (I figured out the biggest part of it about ten minutes before it was revealed, and that's rare for me) but those are just nitpicks.

Also, for those of you who were disappointed in Tenenbaum's limited role in the main game, she plays a pretty integral part here.

[Corvin]

I finished Minerva over the weekend and it's easily one of the best DLC purchases out there. Loved it. It's almost like a super-charged Bioshock. Do all your gathers, and you power up super fast and become a badass in no time at all.

If you did the Protector Trials and have access to the special Protector Tonic, definitely use it. Gathers take longer, but you get more Adam.

[Fjordson]

God damn, you guys were right. Minverva's Den was incredibly good. The ending really capped everything off in such an awesome way (the twist at the end is great). Easily one of the best things I've played this year.

It saddens me that 2K Marin has no plans to make anymore single-player DLC. This was so much more worthwhile than any multiplayer content they've released, and waiting until Infinite to get my BioShock fix is going to be tough.

[Ryuukishi]

Does anyone know, if I'm currently in the middle of the main campaign on Hard difficulty, and I play through Minerva's Den on Easy, is there any chance of it jeopardizing the Against All Odds achievement?

[Ryuukishi]

Started playing Minerva's Den last night, and I've only completed the first area so far, but I have to say that it is really outstanding! It's like everything that made the main game great, condensed down into a faster-paced and more action-packed bite size package. I do miss the presence of Eleanor, her character and her relationship with Delta really made the main game for me, but in terms of gameplay and environments, Minerva easily rivals anything the base game has to offer. I'm really digging the new laser weapon especially.

Between this and Lair of the Shadow Broker, it's a good time for DLC that's as good or better than its parent game.

[klwillis45]

I finished Minerva's Den this weekend. Even though I figured out the twist long before the reveal, it was still very enjoyable.

The quality & length of this DLC make it easily worth the asking price. Shame we won't be getting any more. Infinite seems far, far away.