Israel preps to invade Gaza...again Edit: Israeli forces moving into Gaza

[sandaz93]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/12/28/gaza.israel.strikes/index.html

I'm sorry, but this is nonsense. I understand that Israel has a RIGHT to respond for the rocket attacks, but seriously almost 300 Palestineans dead, I mean cmon how many were actually terrorists. 1 Israeli man has been killed, and that took 100 rockets. Honestly, 300 to 1, pretty ridiculous. Israel needs to start behaving as a bigger country, if they did that they would get respect worldwide.

Thoughts?

[M-PG71C]

"There is always a reason why a country would pursue the route, and potential given right, to conduct war; if not for gain it is for pursuit."

I leave you with that quote.

[Ikohn4ever]

while i dont agree with Israels tactics, I am curious if anyone here has better solutions against constant rocket fire, especially when some rockets are coming from residential areas of gaza.

[BigT]

Don't worry, all the missiles that Israel uses will be replenished by the billions of dollars per year we give them as aid money...

[ITDEFX]

*sigh*... Call me when one of the fucktards nuke a city.

[HowStern]

Don't worry, all the missiles that Israel uses will be replenished by the billions of dollars per year we give them as aid money...

Yep. I've said it before; the U.S. has a "war on terror! except Israel."
We fund this zionist bullshit.

[RAMSTORIA]

i dont have a problem with the strikes, hamas should be the one to blame for firing them from residential areas (on purpose of course). i do have a big big problem with us continuing to fund israels military (as i do with most funding to other nations).

[Allnatural]

After all the complaints about Israel's "disproportionate response," why don't they just set up a few mortors along the border and fire indiscriminately into Gaza? One round for every shell fired on to their soil. Let's level the playing field people!

[fatherofcaitlyn]

while i dont agree with Israels tactics, I am curious if anyone here has better solutions against constant rocket fire, especially when some rockets are coming from residential areas of gaza.

Dissolve the state of Israel.

Soak up the refugees in the way Egypt won't soak up the Palestinians.

OR

Turn a blind eye and let them settle their hash.

[Shrapnellistic]

Hamas did break the ceasefire and they are firing from residential areas; a government is supposed to protect the people so I can see Israel's reason.

[dafoomie]

I think Israel should take action against the people that started Hamas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossad) in the first place.

[thrustbucket]

It's pretty clear that Israel's intent, in an invasion, would be to wipe out Hamas and create a power vacuum for the other party to take over. Because Israel knows that Hamas will continue to lob rockets, rocks, and ill-will for eternity as long as they exist.

[Frogurt.man]

It's pretty clear that Israel's intent, in an invasion, would be to wipe out Hamas and create a power vacuum for the other party to take over.

What other party?

[thrustbucket]

What other party?

Fatah. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah)

[HeroinJuggernaut]

Its weird...i keep hearing Israel has the right to exist but what about Palestine? Does it have the right to exist? If so then why are there Jewish settlements on their land?

And Gaza is the densest populated area in the whole world. to claim that Hamas is firing weapons from residential areas is Fox News balony crap.

[Ikohn4ever]

And Gaza is the densest populated area in the whole world. to claim that Hamas is firing weapons from residential areas is Fox News balony crap.

well if it is that dense than it is all residential areas, so they would be firing from them since there is no place else to fire from.

[BigT]

well if it is that dense than it is all residential areas, so they would be firing from them since there is no place else to fire from.

Exactly... nevertheless, it makes for a good excuse for Israel to bomb residential areas... maybe we should start bombing Mexico for slowly trying to reclaim California through illegal immigration and border violence...;)

[carpwrist]

Damnit, this quote has me thinking too much.
"There is always a reason why a country would pursue the route, and potential given right, to conduct war; if not for gain it is for pursuit."


I've been playing alot of Civilization Revolution lately. If Sid Meier teaches us anything in his games, is that somebody is always looking for a fight.

Israel is in the wrong on this one, again.

[MSI Magus]

I am with the majority here. I am sick of us funding Isreal and treating them as our kid brother. If they are our kid brother then they are our kid brother that goes out and picks a fight with someone that WE have to step in to stop...and then end up having everyone hate us for sticking up for the little turd.

I can understand that they are sick of having rockets fired at them. But maybe if they stopped and thought about the fact that they only exist because we stepped in and made it happen in the middle of someone elses land and that ever since then they have time and time again been an aggressor and been a nation that has expanded their power into others territories.....they would have others top hating them so damn much.

[level1online]

I think Israel should take action against the people that started Hamas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossad) in the first place.

I think USA should take action against the people that started Al-Qaeda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cia) in the first place.

[thrustbucket]

Well, if you are considered an 'enemy of Islam', try not to find yourself in Gaza, because in an effort to help give credit to the Palestinian cause, Hamas has just made crucification (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1230111707087&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull)legal.

Poor guys, we should have more sympathy for Hamas. I hope they get more aid and live long and prosper.

[fatherofcaitlyn]

Well, if you are considered an 'enemy of Islam', try not to find yourself in Gaza, because in an effort to help give credit to the Palestinian cause, Hamas has just made crucification (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1230111707087&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull)legal.

Poor guys, we should have more sympathy for Hamas. I hope they get more aid and live long and prosper.

When was crucification made illegal?

[MSI Magus]

As per usual foreign affairs has a brilliant essay up relating to this issue. I just finished reading it(I actually subscribe to their journal)and it had me rethinking the issue and seeing things in an even more moderate way. It really does show where the mind state of both sides must be at and how both sides really do have a history of being survivors and feeling they must fight.

Very interesting and highly recommended read.

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20090101faessay88105/walter-russell-mead/change-they-can-believe-in.html

[carpwrist]

Another item, almost worth its own thread is this:
http://december18th.org/

FREE THE SHMINISTIM – ISRAEL'S YOUNG CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTORS. The Shministim are Israeli high school students who have been imprisoned for refusing to serve in an army that occupies the Palestinian Territories. December 18 marks the launch date of a global campaign to release them from jail. Join over 20,000 people including American conscientious objectors

After reading a bit more on their site, I see where the problems are stemming from:

Because of their principled refusal to serve in an occupying army, youth who sign the letter face jail terms in Israeli military prisons. Terms range from 21 to 28 days; those who refuse to wear a military uniform while in jail are sent to solitary confinement for the duration of their term.

After completing their sentence, they are then drafted again and if they refuse a second time, as most do, they face the same sentence. This can be a repeated process in which Shministim return home for a few days or longer and are then drafted and then imprisoned. Even through they refuse to serve, they still in a sense ‘belong’ to the military until they receive their discharge papers. A Shministi may never receive these papers, and although the Israeli military may tire of re-calling objectors into prison regularly, without these papers, an objector’s fate is always uncertain. There is literally no end to the number of times youth might be sent back to jail.



Israel's draft makes WWII Germany's look more relaxed than the tryouts for the Jamaican bobsled team.

[JolietJake]

Mandatory military service is nothing new, many countries practice it. Not saying it's right, but it's certainly not a new concept.

[Soodmeg]

Another item, almost worth its own thread is this:
http://december18th.org/



After reading a bit more on their site, I see where the problems are stemming from:



Israel's draft makes WWII Germany's look more relaxed than the tryouts for the Jamaican bobsled team.

Hey screw you, us Jamaicans take that team very seriously!

[JolietJake]

http://i2.digiguide.com/up/0802/1198861200000-39146-CoolRunnings-1198155325703.jpg

[tivo]

Female and devout Israelis can easily get out of serving in the army. They also dont allow the Arabic population to join. And the devout Jews and the Arabics all have a ton of kids while the secular Israelis only have 2 or 3. It's the few protecting the many so they NEED mandatory enlistment provided the bad neighborhood they're in. I support Israeli 100% in all of their attacks. They have lived in the holy land for thousands of years and will do a better job keeping it safe than the palestinians.

[Frogurt.man]

http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog/images/Nuke2.JPG
***Problem Solved***

[thrustbucket]

You know, frogurt.man it's incredibly insensitive to say, but you speak what many feel.

Nobody wants to see people die or suffer, but the more one lives life and tires of seeing middle east/Israeli drama day after day, one begins to conclude whether the only end to it is for the middle east to be left a smoldering crater.

If it weren't for oil dependency, I have a feeling it would have happened long before now.

[dafoomie]

I think USA should take action against the people that started Al-Qaeda in the first place.
The British?

[BigT]

You know, frogurt.man it's incredibly insensitive to say, but you speak what many feel.

Nobody wants to see people die or suffer, but the more one lives life and tires of seeing middle east/Israeli drama day after day, one begins to conclude whether the only end to it is for the middle east to be left a smoldering crater.

If it weren't for oil dependency, I have a feeling it would have happened long before now.

Nah... with the US govt's unconditional love and support for Israel, we'd never nuke the whole middle east...

[M-PG71C]

Why nuke it when there is money to be made? Who gives a rats-ass about the oil, if I can put a Mickey D's and a Wally World, along with our all-time favorite Starbucks, on every other corner, I would make more money in consumption than I ever would in commodities. :D

Then again, I guess the nukes going off would make a great 4th of July, granted our last one more than likely.

[HowStern]

The only thing we will ever bomb Israel with is our tax money! bah-dum-dum!

But, seriously, Israel is a leech on your wallet.

[camoor]

while i dont agree with Israels tactics, I am curious if anyone here has better solutions against constant rocket fire, especially when some rockets are coming from residential areas of gaza.

Of course - just build an Aegis cruiser nearby and support it with a small division of destroyers.

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/cnc/images/d/d7/Hydrofoils.jpg

[boozi]

Not gonna bother with reading all the posts, but....

I mean, yes, the rockets that hit Israel are the biggest joke ever, and are very low quality shit, but they still put a large number of people at danger. It's about time that Israel decided to take the initiative. The worst thing is that they (Hamas) actually think they're winning.... Best joke I've heard in a while. Also, those pieces of shit hide the rockets in mosques and hospitals........ UGH! It annoys the fuck out of me sometimes. Obviously, innocent civilians' death is inevitable, and I do feel bad because of it, but what can you do, huh? Especially when you elect fuckers like Hamas.

You know what's also absurd? Most of Israeli Arabs are supporting the Palestinians, but if you tell them, "well, if you support them so much, why not go ahead and live in the Gaza strip?" They answer: fuck no. Why? Because Israel's the only place they get so many good benefits and welfare. Name one freaking Arab countries that give its citizens the same amount of rights Israel gives the Israel Arabs. It's ridiculous man.

I can't believe what some of those people say. Sorry that I'm coming out so strong.... I would say it again: it sucks to have civilian casualties, but I do 100% believe that Israel's actions are justified. After the cease fire ended, Hamas said that it won't renew it. A few days later, 60(!) rockets were shot by Hamas and other terrorist groups. Oh btw, during the cease fire, rockets were still shot and Israel didn't do ANYTHING.

Remember the disengagement of 2005? Israel withdrew all of its forces and forced Israelis out of their homes in the Gaza strip. Why? Because Israel wanted the Palestinians to have the territory for themselves. About a half year later, Hamas was elected.

Hamas was elected "democratically" by the Palestinians, right? Well, their lives have turned for the WORST since then. Hamas has been ruling Gaza with a strong arm. Then, they say that their lives suck even more... What can you say to that? You elected the Hamas "democratically." Well, sucks for you. Also, Hamas, by all means, tries to maximize innocent civilians' casualties. That's why they launch the rockets from places where there are civilians. That's why they shot the rockets from the UN school that was bombed.

Israel, of course, should be blamed for a lot of things, too. Yes, it is a disproportionate use of force. Yes, a lot of innocent civilians die and are going to die because of the operation. But please tell me.... What would the US done if Mexico started to shot rockets at Arizona and Texas? Come on people..... I wish you guys knew how it feels like to live in those cities that surround Gaza. Your opinions would have been much different if you did.........

I'm trying to be at the center of the political spectrum, but some issues really, really tick me off. I hate it when innocent people suffer for nothing. They shouldn't be the ones suffering. FYI http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=j61ktUeDDuo&eurl=http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/

[HowStern]

^It's about time Israel took the initiative? That's the most backwards, uneducated statement about this situation I've ever heard.

http://ifamericansknew.org/

[MSI Magus]

^It's about time Israel took the initiative? That's the most backwards, uneducated statement about this situation I've ever heard.

http://ifamericansknew.org/

Theres no point in arguing anymore.......it seems like there are just some people that Israel just has by the hips at this board....sad thing is they seem to enjoy it.

[HowStern]

I know, it's bizarre. I can't understand why. Injustice irks me a lot. But I think if a couple of moonbat countries want to fight over religion I wouldn't care AS much if my tax dollars weren't funding the aggressor.

[boozi]

I know, it's bizarre. I can't understand why. Injustice irks me a lot. But I think if a couple of moonbat countries want to fight over religion I wouldn't care AS much if my tax dollars weren't funding the aggressor.

This is why I rarely come to this place :D I hate talking about politics because it ticks the hell out of me... Some people's responses. Well then, I shall not reply to you guys any longer. Just waste of time and energy for me. And FYI, Israel is not fighting for religion. That's the biggest bullshit I've ever heard.

[MSI Magus]

I know, it's bizarre. I can't understand why. Injustice irks me a lot. But I think if a couple of moonbat countries want to fight over religion I wouldn't care AS much if my tax dollars weren't funding the aggressor.

You a libra? Im not a big astrology person but Justice is like one of the things I believe firmest in and balance as well. Never knew anything about astrology till I meet my fiancee and then read some stuff since she was kind of into the subject and found out balance and justice are the supposed core of any libra.

[HowStern]

Taurus. So I'm stubborn lol I don't usually fall for that stuff but that is actually a truth.

Boozi they are fighting for land because of religious reasons. The Zionists...So, it's not just religion but that's one of the roots of the tree, so to speak.

[boozi]

Taurus. So I'm stubborn lol I don't usually fall for that stuff but that is actually a truth.

Boozi they are fighting for land because of religious reasons. The Zionists...So, it's not just religion but that's one of the roots of the tree, so to speak.

Since I know I can maintain calmness, I'll reply. The current "battle" is not over the land. Israel already disengaged from Gaza, correct? There's no point for Israel to have Gaza because Gaza is a hell hole. Egypt did the smartest move by NOT taking Gaza back when it signed the peace treaty with Israel. Gaza is nothing but trouble. And Zionism..... I got nothing to comment about that. Zionists are usually not religious. That's all I can say.

[HowStern]

http://ifamericansknew.org/stats/settlements.html
If they don't want the land why are they illegally establishing so many settlements on it?

Zionism was based partly on the religious traditions that link the Jewish to Israel. Maybe some of them just plain old want their land back, with non-religious beliefs tied to their motivations, but..

[evanft]

"There is always a reason why a country would pursue the route, and potential given right, to conduct war; if not for gain it is for pursuit."

I leave you with that quote.

We should have a ban on posts that are only quotes and offer no real analysis or substance.

I'm also going to throw myself into the "Frak Israel" group.

[depascal22]

I'd much rather support Israel than the Arabs. It's the lesser of two evils. I have no idea why you guys would say that the Arabs are the just force in this whole mess. Do Isrealis harass Christians on the way to Bethlehem? Do Israelis dedicate themselves to the destruction and genocide of their neighbors? Why would you guys support murderous thugs that would rather continue war instead of better their people?

[boozi]

http://ifamericansknew.org/stats/settlements.html
If they don't want the land why are they illegally establishing so many settlements on it?

Ahhh... Check your facts man. All Jewish settlements in Gaza have been removed prior
to the disengagement. After the disengagement, no Jewish settlements remained in Gaza.
True, there are still many settlements in the West Bank, but those will be taken care of
in the future. Israel won't be able to remove all of them, though, 'cause some of them are
too big. As a result, the Palestinians would probably get 90% of the West Bank instead of \
100%. As for Zionism, did you know that ultra orthodox Jews oppose it? It might have roots
in the religion, but..... Yeah, most ultra orthodox Jews are utterly against it. 'Nuff said.

[HowStern]

I'd much rather support Israel than the Arabs. It's the lesser of two evils. I have no idea why you guys would say that the Arabs are the just force in this whole mess. Do Isrealis harass Christians on the way to Bethlehem? Do Israelis dedicate themselves to the destruction and genocide of their neighbors? Why would you guys support murderous thugs that would rather continue war instead of better their people?

Considering Israel has broken every cease fire first, or just plain refused cease-fire deals (http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2006/07/israel_refuses.html), you should be asking yourself this question.
Here is a chart of non-fighting/peaceful intervals (defined as more than one day of no fighting) interruptions.
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2009-01-06-chart2a.jpg
Look who's starting it most of the time. If Israel wants to reduce rocket fire from Gaza, it should cherish and preserve the peace when it starts to break out, not be the first to kill.

boozi, you are leaving out some huge info. When they demolished those settlements they also demolished the palestinians homes. (http://icahd.org/eng/news.asp?menu=5&submenu=1&item=488)
One thing you got right is that there a lot of Jewish and Israeli people against this war. Just like there are Americans against the Iraq war.

[boozi]

Considering Israel has broken every cease fire first, or just plain refused cease-fire deals (http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2006/07/israel_refuses.html), you should be asking yourself this question.
Here is a chart of non-fighting/peaceful intervals (defined as more than one day of no fighting) interruptions.
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2009-01-06-chart2a.jpg
Look who's starting it most of the time. If Israel wants to reduce rocket fire from Gaza, it should cherish and preserve the peace when it starts to break out, not be the first to kill.

boozi, you are leaving out some huge info. When they demolished those settlements they also demolished the palestinians homes. (http://icahd.org/eng/news.asp?menu=5&submenu=1&item=488)
One thing you got right is that there a lot of Jewish and Israeli people against this war. Just like there are Americans against the Iraq war.

I'm done arguing. I wonder why Israel refused the cease-fire deals.... They didn't help Israel in any way. It's a shame that Hamas wants 32152315231523532 Palestinian prisoners for one kidnapped Israeli soldier. That's just tells you how low they think human beings are. One thing is for sure. The UN is the most worthless body in the world. But yeah, I'm out.

[dopa345]

While it's easy and perhaps justifiable to criticize Israel, it's worth keeping in mind that this is a country that is literally surrounded by enemies on all sides. Obviously, this would encourage a policy of aggressive and pre-emptive action against any perceived threat as a matter of survival. Israel doesn't have the luxury of taking a passive approach.

[HowStern]

Yeah dopa, I wouldn't be opposed to my tax dollars going to Israel to fund a strong defensive military. Sort of a charity, the way I wouldn't mind tax dollars going to fund mosquito nets for Africans, etc. But the U.N. has gone after Israel time after time now for being the aggressor.

[depascal22]

Best defense is a strong offense. You have to hit them every once in a while so they don't start thinking that you're just sitting there ripe for the picking.

[dmaul1114]

Last weeks newsweek had some good articles and columns on the situation.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/177840
That one's a good article laying out a plan for peace which outlines what the author sees as the main issues: Territory, Security, Jerusalem and Refugees.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/177716
Column arguing that if Obama is serious about peace in the region he must get tough with Israel.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/177757
Column arguing that a key is giving Israel's Arab population more political power and influence.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/177713
Article talking about 3 recent books on the US involvement in this mess, that outlines how we got to where we are.

[HowStern]

Best defense is a strong offense. You have to hit them every once in a while so they don't start thinking that you're just sitting there ripe for the picking.

Yeah..So, you bomb the UN headquarters? And hospitals? (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090115/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians) Israel forces are nothing more than terrorists.

[dmaul1114]

We hit our fair share of civilian buildings, schools etc. in Iraq.

Are the US forces nothing more than terrorists too?

[HowStern]

We never bombed a U.N. headquarters. We never bombed a warehouse full of humanitarian aid. Did you read the article? An entire warehouse filled with humanitarian aid! No rockets, no hamas, just aid for the civilians of gaza who were seeking shelter in the U.N. HQ. And then THAT got bombed, too!

And we are basically terrorists since we fund Israels shenanigans, yes. But are we terrorists for being in Iraq? I don't think. But, should we be in Iraq at all in the first place? No. So, that makes the first question's answer blurry. We certainly think we are the "world police". Does that translate into terrorist? Or just nosy neighbor?

Here's a short article with Israels excuse as to why they bombed the UN HQ. And, also, states they shelled a school. All of which is a violation of international law. So, at the very least they are war criminals.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/01/15/mideast/mideast.php

[dmaul1114]

Still it's not like the targeted the UN headquarters or school or hospital. Just shitty mistakes, just like we made when we've bombed schools, hospitals etc. in Iraq by mistake.

Just making sure you were consistent in your thinking, and not just an Israel hater.

I agree on the world police thing as well. We need to get off foreign oil dependency as quickly as we can (will be decades) and just leave that region of the world to fight it's own battles.

[thrustbucket]

They did target the UN headquarters, because there was anti-tank fire coming from it.

It's just like how they always stockpile their weapons caches in hospitals and mosques, because they know when they are destroyed, people like HowStern react the way he is. It's obviously a very powerful propaganda tactic.

[dmaul1114]

Ah. I just skimmed and saw the part where the Israeli official said it was a "grave mistake."

[HowStern]

They did target the UN headquarters, because there was anti-tank fire coming from it.

It's just like how they always stockpile their weapons caches in hospitals and mosques, because they know when they are destroyed, people like HowStern react the way he is. It's obviously a very powerful propaganda tactic.

Yeah, I'm sure the UN workers said "Sure, hamas, come on in with your rockets! You can stockpile your weapons in the red cross' aid supply warehouse." Please. They might purposefully hide weapons in hospitals but the UN sure as hell isn't letting them hide wepaons in their HQ or aid supply warehouse...

hehe dmaul "skimmed" I knew you didn't read the article :P XD

[thrustbucket]

Well I admitedly don't know what transpired exactly. However, when was the last time the UN successfully enforced a "No" decision on anything?;)

[HowStern]

Yeah, that's the trouble no one is afraid of the UN. heh. They need to start hiring mafia hitmen to work for them or something. XD

[dafoomie]

They're firing white phosphorous into Gaza City, which is against the rules of war. Nasty stuff, it burns everything it touches, it'll burn you right down to the bone and it won't stop until there is no oxygen or nothing left to burn. It can't be put out with water. Not something you want to be using indiscriminately in one of the most densely populated areas in the world. This is also what they used to attack the UN headquarters, its still burning. Ban Ki-moon was in Israel when it happened and he was pissed.

Some of the UN schools were targeted specifically by Israel after mortars were fired from nearby streets. These are places that some of the more radical groups had wanted gone, and Israel took the bait. But what possible explanation is there for this? They know exactly what this building was and who was there. If there were some militants in the area (which the UN insists is bullshit), I'd expect some bombs to go their way. But to use white phosphorous? Theres no reason for that whatsoever unless they wanted to be absolutely certain that the UN HQ and everything in it was burned to the ground.

Israel hasn't been strictly targeting only Hamas or militant related targets since this started, they've been systematically destroying civilian infrastructure. The way they've conducted this war is completely unacceptable, they're determined not to get bogged down like they did in Lebanon and they don't care how many civilians get killed.

[motuza]

Best defense is a strong offense. You have to hit them every once in a while so they don't start thinking that you're just sitting there ripe for the picking.

Wow...I don't even know what to say to this. "Yeah, you need to kill some people in a while. You know...just to show who's the boss around here! Make the majority of them women and children while you're at it!"

Hamas did not start firing rockets at Israel unprovoked. Israel has been blocking important food and medical supplies from the citizens of the Gaza strip. They have such a strong hold on that particular region that nothing can be transported there. If you think that these people are firing just because they love violence and want to see their families die due to white phosphorous (the poster above me explained just what this horrible chemical does) and rocket blasts, you need to stop watching propagated media and start thinking for yourself.

Oh and also, this strike that Israel's been pummeling the gaza with has already accumulated over 1,000 dead bodies and over $1.4 billion in damage. Something to think about...

[Frogurt.man]

They're firing white phosphorous into Gaza City, which is against the rules of war.

Well you know what the U.S. should tell Israel to not use white phosphorous. Oh wait. Hahahahaha......yeah...

EDIT:probably one of the few things still made in the U.S.A.

[dafoomie]

Well you know what the U.S. should tell Israel to not use white phosphorous. Oh wait. Hahahahaha......yeah...

EDIT:probably one of the few things still made in the U.S.A.
M825A1, though we haven't actually manufactured any in 10 years. We're sitting on about half a million of them. Its a useful tool for illumination, for smoke, and to attack combatants in caves and trenches. Its not for use inside a city. I also wouldn't recommend using it on the UNRWA headquarters.

[bigdaddy]

I find it odd that they are moving out of Gaza right before Obama takes office.