View Full Version : What X360 games should we be looking forward to in 2009?
Droenixjpn
12-30-2008, 12:50 AM
Now that 2008 is nearly over, the big question remains: What big title games will be coming out next year?
I'm personally hoping for Final Fantasy 13, and that's all I really can say.
Possibly some big time RPGs, and some just fun to play games.
What are all of you CAG Members hoping for, for 2009?
rodeojones903
12-30-2008, 12:58 AM
Killzone 2
Street Fighter 4
Star Ocean
FF13
DQ9
RE5
God of War 3
Uncharted 2
and hopefully Yakuza 3
smarkbran
12-30-2008, 01:07 AM
Maybe Alan Wake? lol
Littlefields
12-30-2008, 01:23 AM
Killzone 2
Street Fighter 4
Star Ocean
FF13
DQ9
RE5
God of War 3
Uncharted 2
and hopefully Yakuza 3
How many of those titles are for 360? :cry:
Oh yeah and I am Alive seems pretty interesting. Judging from the lack of footage being put out, I'm guessing late 2009. Please don't screw this up Darkworks...
Droenixjpn
12-30-2008, 02:01 AM
I wonder if the God of War series will become a 360 super power? I bet the company will turn it over to Microsoft, let's just hope. I wouldn't mind play God of War, lol.
I do hope Microsoft plays their cards right next year, I mean they had one successful year this year, let's hope next year is even more successful.
With Microsoft having Final Fantasy 13 in their hands they have achieved something amazing, they have obtained a super power franchise which belonged to their rivals. Nintendo once owned it, then Sony. I know Sony will be getting the game to along with Versus, but at least the 360 got some love from Square.
I can't wait for next year's E3, I'm hoping they will present us with some excellent games, and hopefully successful new game series.
Resident Evil 5 will most likely get me buying it, since I liked Resident Evil 4, but I didn't even really play it though.
Next Year is a new year, and let's hope Microsoft doesn't screw it up.
Calamityuponthee
12-30-2008, 02:03 AM
Alan Wake
Resident Evil 5
Call of Duty 6
Street Fighter 4
Alan Wake
Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection
FEAR 2
Grand Theft Auto IV: Lost & Damned DLC
Halo Wars
Star Ocean: The Last Hope
Sacred 2: Fallen Angel (probably not everybody's cup of tea)
The Chronicles of Riddick: Assault on Dark Athena
Red Faction: Guerrilla
Alpha Protocol
Splinter Cell: Conviction
Fight Night Round 4
Dante's Inferno
The Witcher
Halo 3 expansion
There's probably more, but that's a pretty good start. FF13 won't make it here next year, only in japan. Also, this is only 360. There's plenty more on other systems.
chubbyninja1319
12-30-2008, 02:15 AM
Darksiders
Star Ocean IV
Halo ODST
Batman Arkham Asylum
Uncharted 2
Killzone 2
Final Fantasy 13 (hey, i can dream right?)
Street Fighter IV
God of War 3
...um...that's all I can think of now
Hostile
12-30-2008, 02:24 AM
I can't think of more than one exclusive title for the 360 to look forward to. The Dishwasher: Dead Samurai is the only one I can think of.
whoknows
12-30-2008, 02:36 AM
Heavy Rain and Uncharted 2
soccerstud652
12-30-2008, 03:11 AM
Ghostbusters
Godfather II
Halo Wars
Really, why are we looking forward to PS3 titles in the 360 section?
UFC Undisputed 2009
Chronicles of Riddick: Assault on Dark Athena
Sofa King Kool
12-30-2008, 05:25 AM
I'm just praying to god that FFXIII Versus is a timed exclusive...
+ Resident Evil 5
Hostile
12-30-2008, 05:28 AM
Really, why are we looking forward to PS3 titles in the 360 section?
A mix of seeing this in the front page and not seeing the 'Microsoft Gaming' and 'Xbox 360' at the top.
Chase
12-30-2008, 06:11 AM
Well, let's see...
Prototype
- Superpowered fun.
Alpha Protocol
-A spy RPG? Yes, please.
Bayonetta
-It's like Devil May Cry, but sexier and with hair.
Splinter Cell: Conviction
- Sure. Why not?
Street Fighter 4
- Arcade stick required.
FEAR 2
- Fear is fun.
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
- I'm still going to call it Call of Duty 6.
xDARKx Knight
12-30-2008, 06:37 AM
Erm...cant really think of much for next year lol :)
Except for Skate 2, cant wait for that, but thats in January :roll:
saunderscowie
12-30-2008, 06:40 AM
Alan Wake - If it's actually being released
Call of Duty 6
Grand Theft Auto IV: Lost & Damned
Halo Wars
Red Faction: Guerrilla
Splinter Cell: Conviction
Halo 3 ODST
Can't think of anymore.
fart_bubble
12-30-2008, 10:51 AM
If their planned schedule is still the same as they said when they released the first game, we should be also seeing Mass Effect 2 by the end of the year.
Other than that, Alpha Protocol, Riddick, Alan Wake, Street Fighter 4, KoF12, Ghostbusters, Arkham Asylum, Brutal Legend and Resident Evil 5. Plus, anything else that looks interesting that I don't know about
Kevlar281
12-30-2008, 11:46 AM
Dead Rising 2 :pray:
Monsta Mack
12-30-2008, 12:00 PM
Right now my list is small but thats because I'm putting aside some of my money for a PS3 if it drops to $300, and I still have the DS and Wii to buy for.
Feb: Street Fighter IV Collectors Edition
March: Even more expensive RE5 collectors edition
Ninja Blade (but Zew says it sucks so we'll see about this one)
Chronicles of Riddick: Assault on Dark Athena
Bioshock 2
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2
About 10 XBLA game as usual.
Halo ODST looks like a XMas gift request rather then an actual purchase from me right now.
Coraanu
12-30-2008, 12:44 PM
Hawx!
Droenixjpn
12-30-2008, 01:15 PM
I don't believe I will be buying Halo 3: ODST, it's just really an expansion, but how much will it cost?
I can't wait for E3 woohoo!
I think the 360 needs another game from Bethesda (highly doubt that will happen by next year).
Galego23
12-30-2008, 01:35 PM
sKATE 2
F.E.A.R 2
Halo Wars
Resident Evil 5
Ghostbusters
Alan Wake
Bayonetta
Blood Bowl
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
Champions Online
Dead Island
Fight Night Round 4
Formula 1 2009
Halo 3:ODST
Halo Chronicles
I am Alive
Mass Effect 2
RACE Pro
Splatter House
overall a promising 2009 in my opinion
Spybreak8
12-30-2008, 02:01 PM
I'm looking forward to:
Resident Evil 5
Call of Duty 4 Modern Warefare 2
FEAR 2
Halo Wars
The Chronicles of Riddick: Assault on Dark Athena
Red Faction: Guerrilla
Mass Effect 2
Halo ODST
dmaul1114
12-30-2008, 02:27 PM
RE5
FEAR 2
Halo ODST
If they come out: Mass Effect 2, Bioshock 2, Call of Duty 6 (imagine this one is a sure thing).
Sure there will be a few more that come up that interest me down the road. But I have plenty of 2008 fall games to catch up on next year anyway.
FoxHoundADAM
12-30-2008, 04:17 PM
At this point 2009 is looking rather disapointing. Esspecialy compared to the back to back years of awesomeness that were '07 and '08. We've been spoiled.
DestroVega
12-30-2008, 04:24 PM
ghostbusters is possible...
COD6 for sho...
but all i really care about is The Show: 09 best game ever
TruVisionary
12-30-2008, 04:56 PM
Prototype
Batman Arkham Asylum (I'm a marvel fan but I can't get enough of batman)
Champions Online
Street Fighter 4
FFXIII
Bionic Commando
KingofOldSchool
12-30-2008, 05:17 PM
Ghostbusters
Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2
Legends of Wrestlemania
Street Fighter IV
Resident Evil V
Batman Arkham Asylum
Spybreak8
12-30-2008, 07:29 PM
This list made me remember, oh I forgot Assassin's Creed 2, and yea if Bioshock 2 comes out that's a no brainer:
http://www.xbox360wire.co.uk/2008/12/30/xbox-360-releases-for-2009/
Droenixjpn
12-30-2008, 07:42 PM
ASSASSIN'S CREED 2?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Yeah sorry, I just liked the first one, but let's hope they make this one a lot more funner. Maybe a future assassin or something.
SNAKE EYES EX
12-30-2008, 07:45 PM
I'm keeping my list 360 focused:
Want:
Street Fighter IV: Limited Edition
Resident Evil 5: Game of the Year Edition (they should just put that on the box now and save some money on the re-printing)
Halo: ODST
Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection
Halo Wars
The Witcher
Beyonetta
Peggle
Interested:
Prototype
Star Ocean
Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2
Alan Wake
If they make '09:
Assassin's Creed 2
Mass Effect 2
Final Fantasty XIII
Splinter Cell Conviction
Saboteur
DarkRider23
12-30-2008, 07:49 PM
One game...
Halo 3: ODST
Anyone see the trailer for it? Looks sick.
Loonknight
12-30-2008, 08:03 PM
Street Fighter IV: Limited Edition
Ghostbusters
Batman Arkham Asylum
Are the only 3 that I'll pay close to retail for next year that are on the radar.
There are a few PSN titles that I want to pick up like Flower, Fat Princess, and that Punisher game.
Outside of those all other games this coming year will be purchased near the end of it during various sales and such, unless something outright amazing shows up.
gr8asianman
12-30-2008, 08:12 PM
Aliens: Colonial Marines (although I think I read somewhere it may have been canceled)
Bayonetta
Batman: Arkham Asylum
OneChanbara: Bikini Zombie Slayers
Street Fighter IV
There are some titles for other consoles I'm quasi-excited about, but I'm glad 2009 is a bit lacking at the moment (gotta whittle that backlog down).
Corvin
12-30-2008, 11:53 PM
Rock Band: Beatles
Bioshock 2
Halo 3: ODST
Riddick: Assault on Dark Athena
Chase
12-31-2008, 12:01 AM
Ah yes, Champions Online. I forgot to mention it. I like how we'll be able to design our nemesis (I have many, bearded ideas).
Monsta Mack
12-31-2008, 12:14 AM
At this point 2009 is looking rather disapointing. Esspecialy compared to the back to back years of awesomeness that were '07 and '08. We've been spoiled.
I'm sure we will see more games announced by E3 that get released later this year. Let's not forget the games that fly under the radar that end up being decent. I for one am glad 2009 isn't looking to be a wallet raping experience because there are still plenty of games from 08 and even 07 that I have to purchase - plus if you own multiple systems there are opportunities elsewhere to.
Droenixjpn
12-31-2008, 12:17 AM
I have to get games from this year and last year as well. I missed out on some pretty good games. I missed out on Fallout 3, although I do hope I can get my christmas money from my aunt and uncle.
lordwow
12-31-2008, 12:17 AM
COD6 is the only game I'm looking forward to this yes so far.
Layziebones
12-31-2008, 12:42 AM
RE5
Lord of the Rings: Conquest
50: Blood on the Sand
COD 6
Those four are the only will buys so far. Don't know about the others.
fart_bubble
12-31-2008, 01:11 AM
Blood Bowl
Champions Online
Forgot all about these two games. I hope they do the Blood Bowl series pround, I've spent quite a bit of time playing the tabletop game and read the books. Champions Online will be interesting to watch unfold
serenitygod
12-31-2008, 01:22 AM
Guys you have it all wrong. FF13 doesn't even have a release date in the US. Also what about AC2 and Bioshock 2 you don't know about them? Pretty disappointing for enthusiasts here
Ghostbusters
Batman: Arkham Asylum
Uh, yeah. I think that's about all.
PrarieD0G
12-31-2008, 02:00 AM
Definitely looking forward to Skate 2. That's about it though.
I'm kind of glad that not too many games are coming out (or at least haven't been announced). Gives me a chance to work on my huge backlog.
AceSXE
12-31-2008, 02:16 AM
SC: Conviction, Prototype, UFC UNDISPUTED 2009
evyrew
12-31-2008, 11:11 AM
Summer of Arcade 2 please. Although it will be very hard to top Galaga Legions + Bionic Commando + Castle Crashers + Geometry Wars 2 + Braid. Geez, I need to go buy some more MS points just to get caught up with 2008...
Droenixjpn
12-31-2008, 12:40 PM
I don't understand why many of you are looking forward to Ghostbusters. I mean sure the movie was great, but do you honestly think a video game adaption will be great? IMO usually movie games are not great, they are either very buggy, or are not very fun.
Unless this one is different then sure maybe I'll go for it.
$hady
12-31-2008, 12:53 PM
Looking at the current list on GS.com it's kinda depressing from the 360 side of things. I know the list isn't complete so hopefully we get ALOT of new additions to it.
360:
Resident Evil 5
PS3:
Uncharted 2
God of War 3
Wii:
still sucks
Looking like a big year for Gamefly I don't see many must have games just several things I wanna play but not enough to buy. DS looking to have a big year for me as I see at least 3 games i'll be buying before before April even gets here.
Spoon_si
12-31-2008, 02:00 PM
it's goin to be an exciting year, for both PS3 & 360 exclusive.. and so on for multiplatform.
Galego23
12-31-2008, 02:47 PM
I'm sure we will see more games announced by E3 that get released later this year. Let's not forget the games that fly under the radar that end up being decent. I for one am glad 2009 isn't looking to be a wallet raping experience because there are still plenty of games from 08 and even 07 that I have to purchase - plus if you own multiple systems there are opportunities elsewhere to.
Yeah I have to disagree as well...
2009 is the year of the multi-platform game and is probably the future. Just look at FF XIII and now possibly Metal Gear Solid... games are going multi-platform now than ever before..
the line-up for 2009 looks solid as is... plus any new stuff that hasn't been announced yet
sKATE 2
F.E.A.R 2
Halo Wars
Resident Evil 5
Ghostbusters
Alan Wake
Bayonetta
Blood Bowl
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
Champions Online
Dead Island
Fight Night Round 4
Formula 1 2009
Halo 3:ODST
Halo Chronicles
I am Alive
Mass Effect 2
RACE Pro
Splatter House
overall a promising 2009 in my opinion
Corvin
12-31-2008, 03:07 PM
Summer of Arcade 2 please. Although it will be very hard to top Galaga Legions + Bionic Commando + Castle Crashers + Geometry Wars 2 + Braid. Geez, I need to go buy some more MS points just to get caught up with 2008...
YES! I second this motion. Give me a Ms. Pac-Man: CE with an untimed mode.
I don't understand why many of you are looking forward to Ghostbusters. I mean sure the movie was great, but do you honestly think a video game adaption will be great? IMO usually movie games are not great, they are either very buggy, or are not very fun.
Unless this one is different then sure maybe I'll go for it.
Hands-on impressions have been favorable in the past, and they've got a great team on the game. It's being designed as the third film, and should stay pretty faithful to the canon - I've got faith that a FPS/3PS with a Ghostbusters license on it (it's Activision's game released by Atari) should pretty solid.
Droenixjpn
12-31-2008, 06:17 PM
Oh it sounds better then most movie gamers, at least it's continuing the story. I mean movie games usually just retell the movie in a very bad way.
Man 2009 approaches very quickly, and I can't wait.
SynGamer
12-31-2008, 06:36 PM
Mass Effect 2...that's about it. There are many that have my interest but this is the only game that i'm actually excited for.
Droenixjpn
12-31-2008, 07:45 PM
I say bring in more sex scenes for Mass Effect 2, lol. I hope they make Mass Effect 2 a bit more crazier, and maybe longer.
lolwut?
12-31-2008, 07:51 PM
Resident Evil 5
/thread
KingBroly
12-31-2008, 07:54 PM
I highly doubt Mass Effect 2 is hitting 2009, just because of the MMO they're working on. As far as games I'm looking forward to...
Call of Duty 6
Halo 3: ODST
Ghostbusters (online co-op or bust)
Resident Evil 5
Bayonetta
Street Fighter IV might be bought on PS3. I got Remix on 360, but good god, the D-pad was horrid. I already got SC4 on PS3, so I might be getting SFIV on it as well.
Droenixjpn
12-31-2008, 08:19 PM
Yeah the Kotor MMO, let's hope this one stays a success and doesn't become a failure like SWG.
FlipSide
12-31-2008, 08:21 PM
Fight Night Rnd 4
CoD: MW2 ( or COD6 like people insist)
RE5
SF IV (might get this for PS3 due to Ryu exclusive figure)
Persona7
12-31-2008, 09:04 PM
Alan Wake,Star Ocean , RE5, maybe FF13....I expect a buttload of announcements as well next year.
retail sucks
12-31-2008, 10:02 PM
Resident Evil 5
Ghostbusters
Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
Bioshock 2
SplatterHouse
Doom 4
Duke Nukem Forever (2009?)
Operation Flashpoint 2
Wolfenstein
Borderland
Alan Wake
meduim interest games
Ninja Blade
Tekken 6
Mafia 2
Prey 2
Heroes over Europe
Shellshock 2
Backbreaker
Danimal
01-01-2009, 02:15 AM
The fact that four pages into this thread only one person has mentioned Brutal Legend makes me feel all sad inside.
Brutal Legend and Alan Wake are the big ones for me on the 360. Heavy Rain and God of War 3 are my most-wanted PS3 titles.
I'm a little surprised nobody has mentioned Bionic Commando or Dark Void. I think both games look like they have some potential.
Sharp Katana
01-01-2009, 03:04 AM
COD6
RE5
SFIV
all i could think of right now for the xbox
Mr. Pink
01-01-2009, 03:39 AM
Skate 2
Resident Evil 5
Street Fighter IV
Bioshock 2: City of Dreams
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
Other than that hopefully we'll see Mafia 2 and The Beatles video game project by Harmonix at least announced in the next year.
Littlefields
01-01-2009, 03:58 AM
Why are people saying Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2? or Call of Duty 6? COD: WAW technically isn't even the 5th game of the series. And why would Infinity Ward decide to drop the number in the title and add it to the sub-title instead?
SNAKE EYES EX
01-01-2009, 05:43 AM
I highly doubt Mass Effect 2 is hitting 2009, just because of the MMO they're working on. As far as games I'm looking forward to...
Street Fighter IV might be bought on PS3. I got Remix on 360, but good god, the D-pad was horrid. I already got SC4 on PS3, so I might be getting SFIV on it as well.
Bioware Austin is making the Star Wars MMO, so Edmonton should have ME2 in the pipeline. I just hope we see it next year.
DO NOT play Street Fighter with a pad. Buy a TE stick and get for the 360.
Halo Wars = Ensemble Studios' swan song. I'll pick it up for that alone ... Hope it's good.
m3talst0rm
01-01-2009, 11:38 AM
Peggle XBLA
FunkyDoRight
01-01-2009, 11:44 AM
Fight Night Round 4 have it preordered all ready and it doesn't come out till June or July
Mr. Anderson
01-01-2009, 02:02 PM
Resident Evil 5
Street Fighter IV
Halo ODST (might be cool)
Skate 2!
retail sucks
01-01-2009, 04:19 PM
Why are people saying Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2? or Call of Duty 6? COD: WAW technically isn't even the 5th game of the series. And why would Infinity Ward decide to drop the number in the title and add it to the sub-title instead?
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 is the name Activision announced the other day and the number drop was probably their decision and not Infinity Ward's:
http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/12/03/activision-announces-guitar-hero-5-new-tony-hawk-call-of-duty-modern-warfare-2-more-at-in-game-ad-conference/
It has more to do with "Activison" having two COD games with different developers and time periods instead of just WWII. COD:WaW isn't called COD 5, and there isn't a 5 on the box. Their just trying to get away from numbering the main title and leaving it as COD only. The real mistake was to put the 4 in "Modern Warfare". It seems their trying to correct this which COD: Modern Warfare 2 being the second game to drop the number from Call of Duty, World at War being the first.
garrett_in_the_hat
01-01-2009, 05:24 PM
The Chronicles of Riddick: Assault on Dark Athena
Street Fighter 4
Mass Effect 2(Hopefully)
Spybreak8
01-01-2009, 05:25 PM
The fact that four pages into this thread only one person has mentioned Brutal Legend makes me feel all sad inside.
Brutal Legend and Alan Wake are the big ones for me on the 360. Heavy Rain and God of War 3 are my most-wanted PS3 titles.
I'm a little surprised nobody has mentioned Bionic Commando or Dark Void. I think both games look like they have some potential.
Seriously I'd want to like Brutal Legend but from everything I've seen I just don't see it as a must buy like most of the other games on my list. It will be more like if good reviews ok I'll grab it probably.
Halo Wars = Ensemble Studios' swan song. I'll pick it up for that alone ... Hope it's good.
Ditto, it's also good to know that Halo Wars will receive support later on as the Ensemble Studios team has said a small number of them are goin to make their own studio, sweet. That's what happened to Westwood and Petroglyph, a small group of Westwood veterans.
Droenixjpn
01-01-2009, 05:36 PM
Does anyone know how many factions/races there will be in Halo Wars? I'm probably going to have to guess 2-3. The Covenant, The Humans, and The Flood. I don't know to much about the lore of Halo, but if the Flood weren't discovered until the first Halo game then they most likely won't be there. Let's also hope they give good controls for the game, as RTS' on the 360 are usually questioned/questionable.
I really don't know what to look forward to for the 360, you guys are spitting out names of games I haven't even heard of. I'm going to be checking them out. It's always good to know that there are new game series coming out. I hope Microsoft doesn't decide to try and spam Halo on many games, or Gears of War.
2009 is finally in session, and I'm glad to welcome all of you to hopefully another successful gaming year. We grow closer and closer to the end of this Console War, just to be brought back into another.
Soodmeg
01-01-2009, 06:13 PM
Actually, nothing is really grabbing my attention for some reason. I am sure that will change when things actually start dropping but as for now.....meh.
Chase
01-01-2009, 06:27 PM
While I will not buy Halo Wars, and am not a fan of Halo, I am interested to see the way they handle RTS controls. RTS games have failed to become popular on gaming consoles for a reason: Using a controller sucks.
And I'm still calling it Call of Duty 6, so suck on that. :robot:
Corvin
01-01-2009, 10:44 PM
While I will not buy Halo Wars, and am not a fan of Halo, I am interested to see the way they handle RTS controls. RTS games have failed to become popular on gaming consoles for a reason: Using a controller sucks.
And people thought the same thing about console FPS games until Halo came along. Tides change, all it takes is one giant to get it right.
Spybreak8
01-01-2009, 10:46 PM
Does anyone know how many factions/races there will be in Halo Wars? I'm probably going to have to guess 2-3. The Covenant, The Humans, and The Flood. I don't know to much about the lore of Halo, but if the Flood weren't discovered until the first Halo game then they most likely won't be there. Let's also hope they give good controls for the game, as RTS' on the 360 are usually questioned/questionable.
I really don't know what to look forward to for the 360, you guys are spitting out names of games I haven't even heard of. I'm going to be checking them out. It's always good to know that there are new game series coming out. I hope Microsoft doesn't decide to try and spam Halo on many games, or Gears of War.
2009 is finally in session, and I'm glad to welcome all of you to hopefully another successful gaming year. We grow closer and closer to the end of this Console War, just to be brought back into another.
There is a Halo Wars thread:http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109455
As for the flood, they are in it but no word on if playable. People say the controls are pretty good, really most of the strategy games that are being developed for the console now have gotten the controls right, BFMEII, C&C3, RA3, UaW. I read somethin ga while ago about some strategy game, can't remember which one, on the console:"We looked at the shooter genre to get the controls right".
Hopefully Microsoft will have a few extra games that are on top secret status till the end of 09.
apokalipze2
01-01-2009, 10:57 PM
I'm hoping Rare shocks the world and announces Killer Instinct 3:pray:
schuerm26
01-01-2009, 11:26 PM
Im just hoping that Major League Baseball 2k9 doesn't suck eggs. Im expecting it to though.
BJWanlund
01-02-2009, 04:55 PM
X360:
Ghostbusters
Halo Wars
Halo 3 ODST
Wii:
New Play Control! Mario Power Tennis (since I missed out on this one the first time around)
DS:
Pokemon Platinum
Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon (can NOT wait to play as Marth!!!)
BJ
Spybreak8
01-02-2009, 05:27 PM
Ah, don't forget about the arcade titles, Fez has my interest peaked now.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=203367