Who would you have had in a VideoGame Playboy spread?

[CapAmerica]

Well after seeing the pics from the upcoming VideoGame Playboy spread, I was pretty disapointed with how poorly it was done. It seems like all they did was take promotinal images and just removed their cloths. I was at least hoping they would take some time and do something good for it.
Does anyone remeber what Square did for Maxim Mag with Aki Ross?

Anyway after talking with a couple friends and seeing the Poll on Slashdot. I figured what the hell lets have this as a topic.

Which VideoGame girls would you have picked if you were in charge of the VideoGame Playboy spread? And just so I'm not making this a guy only topic. for the ladies which Male chracters whould you pick for a VideoGame Playgirl spread? (feel free to answer both questions if you want.)

Also lets limit it to a top 10, a list like this could go on forever. =P
Also lets limit it to 1 chracter per series. Its to easy to just put down the whole DoA cast.

This is just for fun.

[Cornfedwb]

Peter Molyneux.

[6669]

I wouldn't.

[GuilewasNK]

Actually the lady that was the digitized version of Sonya Blade in MK2 and MK3 WAS in Playboy (Kerri Hoskins) but not as Sonya Blade.

[Steggy]

This topic beings NERD to an all new level....

[Xevious]

I rather see real women naked. I think this whole concept kinda sucks.

[Lootr2Core]

peach

[Dead of Knight]

Peter Molyneux.

:rofl:

WARNING: MEN
As a girl, I would pick Albel from Star Ocean 3, Irvine from FF8 (though probably not fully nude, much of his coolness comes from his outfit), Wakka from FFX, Alex and Kyle from Lunar (separately!!!!), and Samanosuke from the Onimusha games (especially 3's model... drool).

Yes... I have problems.

EDIT: Oh shit! Forgot every dude in the RE series.... Chris, Leon (RE4 only pls), Carlos, Steve... certainly not Alfred Ashford though.

[Lootr2Core]

maybe MS. pacman.

[GuilewasNK]

Whoops! Forgot my top ten list....

(No real order)

Chun Li (SF)
Trish (Devil May Cry)
Yuna (FFX)
Rikku (18 yr old of course)
Farrah (Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time)
Rachel (Ninja Gaiden)
Jen (Primal)
Morrigan (Darkstalkers)
Mai (KOF)
Hanna and Rain (Fear Effect)

[kristianator]

daisy, from the original donkey kong... in all her pixelated glory. i wanna see what i'm jumping over barrels for...

ms. pacman runs a close second

[Wshakspear]

Id rather have people "cos-play" or dress up as characters...like my favorite:
Alyissa Milano as Eva Savalot as Bloodrayne

[GuilewasNK]

Id rather have people "cos-play" or dress up as characters...like my favorite:
Alyissa Milano as Eva Savalot as Bloodrayne

Cosplay would work. I have seen some good ones!! :shock:

[magilacudy]

Jade (Beyond Good and Evil) and that chick from the Shadow Hearts Covenant poster in EB.

Lootr you freak. Ms. Pacman is just a cross-dressing Pacman. :shock:

[Dead of Knight]

that chick from the Shadow Hearts Covenant poster in EB.


Kallen!!!! Japanese version anyway... They changed her name to Karin in the US version, which is retarded and doesn't suit her at all.

And you reminded me of another guy I'd like to see... Urmnaf Bort Hyuga/Yuri from Shadow Hearts 1/2. Hot damn!!

[GuilewasNK]

that chick from the Shadow Hearts Covenant poster in EB.


Kallen!!!! Japanese version anyway... They changed her name to Karin in the US version, which is retarded and doesn't suit her at all.

And you reminded me of another guy I'd like to see... Urmnaf Bort Hyuga/Yuri from Shadow Hearts 1/2. Hot damn!!

I am surprised you didn't say Dante from DMC. I thought all ladies liked him.

[dcfox]

I hate to break it to you but Ms. Pacman has always been naked. No one in the Pac family wears any clothes, probably because they don't have any genitals.

[camoor]

The princess.

Cmon give it up, do you know how many castles we've had to freaking navigate.

While Marios at work, just what is she doing with Mr. Toadstool anyway??

[camoor]

that chick from the Shadow Hearts Covenant poster in EB.


Kallen!!!! Japanese version anyway... They changed her name to Karin in the US version, which is retarded and doesn't suit her at all.

And you reminded me of another guy I'd like to see... Urmnaf Bort Hyuga/Yuri from Shadow Hearts 1/2. Hot damn!!

I am surprised you didn't say Dante from DMC. I thought all ladies liked him.

Wait, Dante is a guy...

[Dead of Knight]

Dante is kinda meh. All the other Capcom survival horror ripoffs have much hotter guys.

[PaulEMoz]

I hate to break it to you but Ms. Pacman has always been naked. No one in the Pac family wears any clothes, probably because they don't have any genitals.

Actually, Ms. PacMan wears a bow. If she took it off though, she'd look a lot like Mr. PacMan. She's a bit rough, that Ms. PacMan. Probably worked on the docks before she gained stardom in a videogame.

[GuilewasNK]

I am suprised no one said Bridget from Guilty Gear, lol.

[CapAmerica]

Heres who I picked for my Top Ten:
1. Zelda (The Legend of Zelda)
2. Samus (Metroid)
3. Cortana (Halo)
4. Tifa or Lulu (Final Fantasy)
5. Kasumi or Ayane (Dead or Alive)
6. Mai Shiranui (King of Fighters)
7. Taki or Ivy (Soul Calibur)
8. Morrigan (Darkstalkers)
9. Sniper Wolf (Metal Gear Solid)
10. Jill Valentine (Resident Evil)

I would have also included Peach and Rikku, but I just like them way to much to really want to include them in the list.

I like that cosplay idea. =P

[GuilewasNK]

Cortana is an interesting choice. Probably one of the more difficult chraracters to render.

[CaseyRyback]

the person that played Jill in RE2(the movie)

[GuilewasNK]

the person that played Jill in RE2(the movie)

Yeah I saw her on E! the other day. Very attractive.

[Cornfedwb]

The fat annoying girl from Legaia 2.

If you're going to do something as stupid as having a video game girl Playboy spread.. might as well make it even worse.

[magilacudy]

Don't forget Sophitia and her sister from SC2. I think Guile mentioned Farrah... that cutscene where she's swimming in the hot tub was disturbingly hot. Also the female cast of Outlaw Golf/ Volleyball would be sweet.

[Wshakspear]

Cortana is an interesting choice. Probably one of the more difficult chraracters to render.

Oh...she wasnt naked already? **puts it away...**

[Mr_hockey66]

What about the girl from dino crisis? She was kinda hot..in hey im about to get eatin by a nasty lizard or have sex with you kinda way

[Gameboy415]

PFFT! Video game nudity....yous guys need to grow up.

*throws "Beat Em And Eat Em" into the Atari*

Its wholesome fun for the whole family!!

[rebenns]

I'd rather see real women naked. This is one of the stupidest ideas since the head of Nintendo's statement that "console gamers do NOT want to play online". That said, if they want to include nude game - related women, I would have them use real women who played some part in a video game's creation, such as provided their likeness for a game avitar, be it digitized (like early MK games), polygonal (like Def Jam Vendetta, which even provided non - nude photos of the real models), or were voice actors, or both (MGS, which used the voice actor's real appearance to influence their in-game representation).

[GuilewasNK]

Don't forget Sophitia and her sister from SC2. I think Guile mentioned Farrah... that cutscene where she's swimming in the hot tub was disturbingly hot.

Indeed! Farrah is a great character.

And people this is just in fun. The topic subject doesn't say "Do you think VideoGame layouts are stupid" it says "Who would you have had in a VideoGame Playboy spread?" If you want to start your own thread about the "stupidity" of this, that would be appropriate. Otherwise you are just trolling. I am not saying that people shouldn't be able to state their views but It doesn't show alot of intelligence to come into a topic you disagree with just so everyone knows how you feel. Start your own topic about that. Thats is the right way to do it. It's like going to an Xbox board then talking about how PS2 is SO much better than Xbox. It's like everyone who says this is stupid is trying to validate their own manhood in the eyes of their CAG brothers or something, LOL :lol:

[Trakan]

NO cosplay! Not after I had to see Anna Nicole Smith dressed up as Rikku and Ivy, etc. Ahhhh!

[CapAmerica]

I figured since this is somewhat of a hot topic lately why not have some fun with it. I mean its not like this is ever going to really happen. Nintendo would never let their characters been shown this way. All this was for was kick and giggles.

Don't take it serious, This is just for fun. loosen up

[CapAmerica]

NO cosplay! Not after I had to see Anna Nicole Smith dressed up as Rikku and Ivy, etc. Ahhhh!

That never happen, I refuse to believe that hore dressed up as my beloved Rikku. There must be laws to stop things like that from happening.
Anna Nicole Smith does Not exist. so that could never have happen.

[Moxio]

I'd rather just have real people.

[GuilewasNK]

Speaking of FFX ladies check out this Yuna....(Its family safe)

http://home.earthlink.net/~mlseaton/CAG/Yuna.jpg

[CapAmerica]

she's very nice!
That's good cosplaying!
:D

[GuilewasNK]

she's very nice!
That's good cosplaying!
:D

Yeah, I just wish I remembered where I got that pic. :)

[goukill1120]

damn that Yuna is really hot. I remember there's this site that has Cosplay porn but the crappy thing about it is that it they cover up the snatch with video distortion like when there's nudity on Howard Stern and for some reason it's got Bondage. Anybody got a link to the playboy pics I'm kinda curious.

[epobirs]

The two female leads from the second 'Fear Effect' game would be good, although better suited to Penthouse with the hot girl-girl action.

Some phrases are inherently comedic. 'Hot girl-girl action' is difficult to say with a straight face compared to 'depiction of simulated lesbian sex.'

[GuilewasNK]

The two female leads from the second 'Fear Effect' game would be good, although better suited to Penthouse with the hot girl-girl action.

Some phrases are inherently comedic. 'Hot girl-girl action' is difficult to say with a straight face compared to 'depiction of simulated lesbian sex.'

Ya, I listed them. That last part you wrote had me laughing big time, lol.

damn that Yuna is really hot. I remember there's this site that has Cosplay porn but the crappy thing about it is that it they cover up the snatch with video distortion like when there's nudity on Howard Stern and for some reason it's got Bondage. Anybody got a link to the playboy pics I'm kinda curious.

LOL@snatch!!

http://home.earthlink.net/~mlseaton/CAG/redd2.jpg

[Zenithian Legend]

the person that played Jill in RE2(the movie)

Yeah I saw her on E! the other day. Very attractive.

I believe that's the same girl from the 5th element, which, she was naked in. How about Trish Stratus from Day of Reckoning? or better yet that pretty little fillie that Link rides around on.

[Steggy]

damn you people need to get out.... saying vid game characters are hot is sad...

[crspyjohn]

hmm why not real girls? i agree with basketcase1080

[epobirs]

the person that played Jill in RE2(the movie)

Yeah I saw her on E! the other day. Very attractive.

I believe that's the same girl from the 5th element, which, she was naked in. How about Trish Stratus from Day of Reckoning? or better yet that pretty little fillie that Link rides around on.

You're thinking of Milla Jovovich, whose character is Alice. Jill is portrayed in excellent likeness to the game character by Sienna Guillory.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0347149/

[yogi99]

Mai (KoF), Jill Valentine (RE2), Rikku (FFX-2) and girls from Tecmo's Dead Or Alive games.

[Duo_Maxwell]

While I don't buy Playboy, so it doesn't matter to me really, I do think that having real-life models made up to look like video game characters would've probably been a better seller for Playboy.

Also, ZL you're thinking of Milla Jovovich in the 5th Element. She plays Alice, Jill Valentine's character is played by Sinna Guilory (sp?).

[Noodle Pirate!]

Bowzer (without his shell) Whats he keep under there?
&
Crash
lol

I honestly think anyone who is into that naked playboy vid game stuff is a bit um..... wierd -(is the nicest word I could come up with to describe them)

[Zenithian Legend]

the person that played Jill in RE2(the movie)

Yeah I saw her on E! the other day. Very attractive.

I believe that's the same girl from the 5th element, which, she was naked in. How about Trish Stratus from Day of Reckoning? or better yet that pretty little fillie that Link rides around on.

You're thinking of Milla Jovovich, whose character is Alice. Jill is portrayed in excellent likeness to the game character by Sienna Guillory.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0347149/

Well either way I've got a big horse unit for her mouth

[emceelokey]

I hate to break it to you but Ms. Pacman has always been naked. No one in the Pac family wears any clothes, probably because they don't have any genitals.\


Uhh dude. Ms. Pac Man has a bow on her head.

[emceelokey]

As stated earlier, I would rather see cosplay or just "Maxim" like pics of whatever chracter. A nipple is a nipple. Not only that but most of these chracters are recgonizeable by their costumes. Every DOA chick has the same body but it's the costumes (and hair) that set them apart.

[CaseyRyback]

the person that played Jill in RE2(the movie)

Yeah I saw her on E! the other day. Very attractive.

I believe that's the same girl from the 5th element, which, she was naked in. How about Trish Stratus from Day of Reckoning? or better yet that pretty little fillie that Link rides around on.

You're thinking of Milla Jovovich, whose character is Alice. Jill is portrayed in excellent likeness to the game character by Sienna Guillory.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0347149/

Well either way I've got a big horse unit for her mouth


this dude the other day was telling me about this video he saw online where this girl gave oral to a horse, it spit a load in her mouth, she threw up and while throwing up kept stroking off the horse.

I can't get the mental image of this out of my head

[Death2Sanity]

Quite honestly, I don't understand you people and you're real vs. computer arguments. I mean, if they're computer generated, at least then you don't have to worry about why a person is willingly subjecting themselves to the slavering masses to make a dime. The female form is beautiful, whether real or digitized.

Of course, I'd take a real girl over a digital picture any day. But on the internet, a picture's a picture. One's no more human than the other.

[dcfox]

I hate to break it to you but Ms. Pacman has always been naked. No one in the Pac family wears any clothes, probably because they don't have any genitals.\


Uhh dude. Ms. Pac Man has a bow on her head.
Since when is a bow considered clothing? That's like saying a girl isn't naked because she has braces on.

[evilmax17]

this dude the other day was telling me about this video he saw online where this girl gave oral to a horse, it spit a load in her mouth, she threw up and while throwing up kept stroking off the horse.

I can't get the mental image of this out of my head

*awkward silence*

[CaseyRyback]

this dude the other day was telling me about this video he saw online where this girl gave oral to a horse, it spit a load in her mouth, she threw up and while throwing up kept stroking off the horse.

I can't get the mental image of this out of my head

*awkward silence*

I know it is so gross to hear, but I told my dad and he started to make the throwing up sound and simulating the arm motion. It just keeps crackin me up.

[Will]

i can honestly say digitial beaver doesnt do anything for me.

[Moxio]

this dude the other day was telling me about this video he saw online where this girl gave oral to a horse, it spit a load in her mouth, she threw up and while throwing up kept stroking off the horse.

I can't get the mental image of this out of my head

......

[hiccupleftovers]

Though I would have to say that real is better than fake, if i had to choose I would say Jill Valentine and Samus Arun are the only two that come to mind.

[DigitalSpace]

I wonder if someone out there saw this spread and was disappointed that they didn't get to see how trimmed Bloodrayne was, if you know what I mean. :lol:

Somebody posted a Yuna pic and that reminded me of a photoshoot Aimee Sweet did, posing as Lara Croft. Here's the two pics that weren't too risque to post here (click on the thumbnails to see larger images)

http://img87.exs.cx/img87/5422/aimeetr3.th.jpg (http://img87.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img87&image=aimeetr3.jpg)

http://img87.exs.cx/img87/585/aimeetr4.th.jpg (http://img87.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img87&image=aimeetr4.jpg)

I prefer real babes to pixels as well, but just for fun, Gena from Crazy Taxi would have been a cool one.

http://img74.exs.cx/img74/9616/gena640.jpg

[GuilewasNK]

I wonder if someone out there saw this spread and was disappointed that they didn't get to see how trimmed Bloodrayne was, if you know what I mean. :lol:

Somebody posted a Yuna pic and that reminded me of a photoshoot Aimee Sweet did, posing as Lara Croft. Here's the two pics that weren't too risque to post here (click on the thumbnails to see larger images)

http://img87.exs.cx/img87/5422/aimeetr3.th.jpg (http://img87.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img87&image=aimeetr3.jpg)

http://img87.exs.cx/img87/585/aimeetr4.th.jpg (http://img87.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img87&image=aimeetr4.jpg)

I prefer real babes to pixels as well, but just for fun, Gena from Crazy Taxi would have been a cool one.

http://img74.exs.cx/img74/9616/gena640.jpg

Yeah, that was me that posted the Yuna pic. Gena would be cool.

I remember when there were like 4 or 5 different Lara models. Those were the days, before the Tomb Raider games started sucking ass. :(

[GuilewasNK]

Man, I can't believe I forgot about Cate Archer from No One Lives Forever...

http://g.metron.com/CGWCate2-f.jpg

[Captain Inertia]

this dude the other day was telling me about this video he saw online where this girl gave oral to a horse, it spit a load in her mouth, she threw up and while throwing up kept stroking off the horse.

I can't get the mental image of this out of my head

*awkward silence*

I know it is so gross to hear, but I told my dad and he started to make the throwing up sound and simulating the arm motion. It just keeps crackin me up.

I know the video you speak of...first year in college, we'd always switch this guy's screensaver to that video. The best part was that he had NO IDEA how to do anything with his computer, and would just yell at the top of his lungs for someone to come in and fix it for him. Which was great when random people would pop their heads in to see what the fuss was, only to see that video playing on the dude's computer.

[epobirs]

Man, I can't believe I forgot about Cate Archer from No One Lives Forever...

http://g.metron.com/CGWCate2-f.jpg

It would at least make sense to do a shot of her undercover as a Bunny in a Playboy Club.

[Wshakspear]

...Just picked up the mag. First page is the BR picture, then theres a fold out of the LL:MCL girl, and then the rest are very small picks interspersed with random/popular video game previews. slightly dissapointed...but at the same times id like to thank Clemens U.

On topic though...Chun-Li and Cammy. Dont know why i didnt mention them before.

[epobirs]

Oh yeah, I could picture Chun-Li and Cammy in a world class round of tribadism. Again, more Penthouse than Playboy.

[dcfox]

I'm just wondering, are there any unintentionally ugly female video game characters?

[Cracka]

well considering wanting to see a naked cartoon woman is one of the most nerdy things i've heard of, i really wouldnt want to see any of them.

but if we were to say which real woman who was in a video game or played a video game character in a movie, i'd either have to say Pamela Anderson from the game V.I.P. (already seen her anyways but still....) .. or Angelina as Laura Croft.

[Jaket]

hmm... is there a double meaning to the name of this topic ;);)

[Dead of Knight]

...Just picked up the mag. First page is the BR picture, then theres a fold out of the LL:MCL girl, and then the rest are very small picks interspersed with random/popular video game previews. slightly dissapointed...but at the same times id like to thank Clemens U.

On topic though...Chun-Li and Cammy. Dont know why i didnt mention them before.

Scans. Now.

[epobirs]

I'm just wondering, are there any unintentionally ugly female video game characters?

Tons, if you go looking. Just remember all those game with artwork so bad as to make them too repugnant to discern if they played well. Also those games with such an exaggerated graphic style that the females were grotesque caricatures of a human woman. The ones that make you wonder how the artist actually sees the real world.

[wolfchild]

daisy, from the original donkey kong... in all her pixelated glory. i wanna see what i'm jumping over barrels for...

ms. pacman runs a close second

Actually the name of the female character who is in the original Donkey Kong is Pauline, not Daisy. Daisy is in the Dukes of Hazard.

[Wshakspear]

...Just picked up the mag. First page is the BR picture, then theres a fold out of the LL:MCL girl, and then the rest are very small picks interspersed with random/popular video game previews. slightly dissapointed...but at the same times id like to thank Clemens U.

On topic though...Chun-Li and Cammy. Dont know why i didnt mention them before.

Scans. Now.

:P
No.

First off, the last thread was locked and edited by cheapy himself.
Second, think of your average Gamepro layout, but the girls arnt wearing much. What i find funny though is the girls on bouncy balls picture from the Guy Game is uncensored in here. Made me laugh.

Also, its got one of the female Veejays from VH1....nice.

Cant wait to tell my girlfriend i picked it up so she can roll her eyes at me...then grab it out of my hand when she sees the jimmy falon interview...

[Dead of Knight]

Well, I was just interested in the pics; I'm not a lesbian or anything, and they aren't nude. I wanted to see how silly they looked, like that vampire from DarkWatch or Luca Licious.... or hell, all of the pics I've seen so far. I can understand the copyright issues, though.

[Wshakspear]

the thing is though, those 4 pics already posted were the only nudes, the rest where wearing in game clothes.

[Jaket]

... where were these posted?

[Dead of Knight]

the thing is though, those 4 pics already posted were the only nudes, the rest where wearing in game clothes.

I'm still interested. :P

And the nudes are in a locked thread floating around somewhere in this forum. Just search for "Playboy" and you'll find them.

[master baiter]

the thing is though, those 4 pics already posted were the only nudes, the rest where wearing in game clothes.

I'm still interested. :P

And the nudes are in a locked thread floating around somewhere in this forum. Just search for "Playboy" and you'll find them.I think he took out the links so "he doesn't get sued". :)

[Dead of Knight]

You can find the DarkWatch lady pic (which is probably the ugliest of them) on Got-next.com, link is on the front page.

[GuilewasNK]

I'm just wondering, are there any unintentionally ugly female video game characters?

Unless it is a kindly old lady or a female zombie from RE, almost all are designed to be attractive.

[dcfox]

I'm just wondering, are there any unintentionally ugly female video game characters?

Unless it is a kindly old lady or a female zombie from RE, almost all are designed to be attractive.
That's the thing. I know most of them are designed to be attractive, but I'm talking about the ones that have that goal in mind but yet are unattractive. The only ones I could think of off the top of my head are Shion from Xenosaga and some of the girls from Sega Soccer Slam.

[Dead of Knight]

wtf? Shion is cute. That Darkwatch lady in the Playboy is pretty messed up looking in my opinion.

[bignick]

I want real chicks.

[sblymnlcrymnl]

I want real chicks.

What about Mary Kate and Ashley, they've got their own games so they should count.

[punqsux]

bebedora pr0n XoD

[Theenternal]

I want real chicks.

What about Mary Kate and Ashley, they've got their own games so they should count. good one :)

I don't think believing video game girls are hot, is a nerdy thing btw. If a person actually dreams and thinks naughty things... then thats pretty nerdy. But I think its a pretty funny that they did that spread. This stuff has been done before with the comic book girls etc. And although they are not real, I think its a funny thing to change things up.

check this site out :)

http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~derekyu/pr0n/gallery.html

[Dead of Knight]

bebedora pr0n XoD

Is that even possible?

[magilacudy]

What about Mary Kate and Ashley, they've got their own games so they should count.

That would be sweet =P~ .

[valance]

anyone see Mad TV last night? they had a spoof on Mary Kate and Ashley. pretty much every employee at their school (from principle to janitor) were taking a number and counting down the seconds until they turn 18. pretty funny to watch, maybe not that funny when i explain it. i wonder how much money playboy has offered them to do a photo shoot. you know they've been offered.

[GuilewasNK]

That is a great site Theenternal. I saw that a long time ago and laughed my ass off. :D

[Theenternal]

i just saw this on that site... its hilarous...im not sure if its old...but its still funny.


http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~derekyu/pr0n/vids/mps2.mpa

[GuilewasNK]

i just saw this on that site... its hilarous...im not sure if its old...but its still funny.


http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~derekyu/pr0n/vids/mps2.mpa

:applause: :rofl: :applause:

BEST POST EVER!!!! Damn, I was crying after that one!

[daphatty]

i just saw this on that site... its hilarous...im not sure if its old...but its still funny.


http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~derekyu/pr0n/vids/mps2.mpa

I don't know where you found that but it's great! :lol:

[Trakan]

I also think real chicks would be better.

[Moxio]

i just saw this on that site... its hilarous...im not sure if its old...but its still funny.


http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~derekyu/pr0n/vids/mps2.mpa

Lmao that was good.

[CapAmerica]

i just saw this on that site... its hilarous...im not sure if its old...but its still funny.


http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~derekyu/pr0n/vids/mps2.mpa

lol! That is so funny! I'm going to show that to all my friends.

[ElwoodCuse]

I wouldn't.

This whole thing is just wrong.