SMT: Devil Summoner 2 w/ Plush Doll Available For Pre-order - $39.99 [Mobile/Archive]

the_punisher

01-27-2009, 10:17 PM

Apparently my Teddie Plushie, soundtrack, and P$ calender was worth $200 the day SMT: P4 came out, so even if i may not know much about this, i'll pre-order it anyway.

On second thought, maybe two.

Completely different game from Persona. Its an action rpg, not turn based. The first Devil Summoner came out over here a few years ago.

Not anywhere close to as good as Persona, imo.

Thanks for the info. I absolutely love Persona 4, but i'm new to SMT as a whole.

more games should come with plush toys - LBP in particular, but a plush teddy with Persona 4 would have rocked as well.

There was one ;)

oxidative

01-27-2009, 10:31 PM

Do Want!

ninja dog

01-27-2009, 10:41 PM

Japan gets an expanded version of Nocturne with Devil Summoner 2. We get...a plush.

ChibiJosh

01-27-2009, 10:51 PM

Japan gets an expanded version of Nocturne with Devil Summoner 2. We get...a plush.

It wasn't expanded. It just switched Dante for Raidou.

CoffeeEdge

01-27-2009, 10:56 PM

Will buy!

Rave Child

01-27-2009, 10:59 PM

Yes! I'm glad we're getting the plushie, too. In for 2 when I can finally preorder!

Doomstink

01-27-2009, 11:30 PM

I didn't originally want the game, but now it is a must have. Thanks Atlus, for convincing me that I need games that I don't necessarily want.

oscargrouch

01-27-2009, 11:33 PM

In for 1 -- come on Amazon update!

paddlefoot

01-27-2009, 11:37 PM

It's coming out in May.

Damnit, I thought it said March.

shelisheli

01-27-2009, 11:45 PM

ooooh! i finally played the first one (put it off due to mixed reviews) and i LOVED it. cant wait for this!

mitch079

01-28-2009, 01:12 AM

Will be in for 1.

ninja dog

01-28-2009, 01:25 AM

It wasn't expanded. It just switched Dante for Raidou.

Nocturne > plush

eau

01-28-2009, 03:30 AM

:drool:

jeremywoods

01-28-2009, 04:12 AM

sweeeeeeeet :3

jubeininja69

01-28-2009, 04:21 AM

this ain't no deal. why are ps2 games still $40? even next gen games are around $40. no buy.

zewone

01-28-2009, 05:02 AM

Nocturne > plush

True, but what are you going to do?

I still have to support Atlus since they seem to offer customers extras for free or reasonable prices.

IMO, they are the one of the most customer oriented gaming publishers in the biz.

squall211

01-28-2009, 07:06 AM

True, but what are you going to do?

I still have to support Atlus since they seem to offer customers extras for free or reasonable prices.

IMO, they are the one of the most customer oriented gaming publishers in the biz.

Completely 100% agree. I will be absolutely be purchasing this even though my backlog is about 20+ games deep and I likely won't even touch the game for a full year. If this was a new Square-Enix game for the PS2 it'd be $49.99 regular price and $59.99 with that plushie.

jikijikijiki

01-28-2009, 08:22 AM

WOW. I shall got to GS and pre-order today!!!!

ChibiJosh

01-28-2009, 08:43 AM

Nocturne > plush

Considering I've had a copy for Nocturne for years now, plush > 2nd copy of a game I already have.

Layd Dly

01-28-2009, 08:46 AM

In for 1, but god i wish some day i will have time to go back to my PS2 and play all these damn RPG's ive been collecting. I still havent finished FFXII that i bought on release day. One of these days.

pete5883

01-28-2009, 08:59 AM

this ain't no deal. why are ps2 games still $40? even next gen games are around $40. no buy.
$60 is "around $40?"

If this was a new Square-Enix game for the PS2 it'd be $49.99 regular price and $59.99 with that plushie.
Nice try, but a new S-E PS2 game was just released, at thirty dollars. (http://www.amazon.com/Kingdom-Hearts-Re-Memories-Playstation-2/dp/B001G3B0HC/ref=pd_sim_vg_3)

Chronis

01-28-2009, 09:43 AM

If this was a new Square-Enix game for the PS2 it'd be $49.99 regular price and $59.99 with that plushie.

Nice try, but a new S-E PS2 game was just released, at thirty dollars. (http://www.amazon.com/Kingdom-Hearts-Re-Memories-Playstation-2/dp/B001G3B0HC/ref=pd_sim_vg_3)

Nah, I think Squall is right. Anything SMT related is Atlus's bread and butter. You can't really compare that to a remake of an old GBA game, especially when the remake wasn't even a standalone game until it came here. RE:CoM was just a bonus disc in KH2 Final Mix. If SE were to release a new version of one of top RPGs on the PS2, or even second tier series like KH and Grandia, I would guarantee you it'd be a full $50, plus another $10-$20 for an extra like a plush.

flames_of_chaos

01-28-2009, 09:50 AM

$60 is "around $40?"

Nice try, but a new S-E PS2 game was just released, at thirty dollars. (http://www.amazon.com/Kingdom-Hearts-Re-Memories-Playstation-2/dp/B001G3B0HC/ref=pd_sim_vg_3)

Technically that's not a new game it's a remake of a GBA game released years ago.

pete5883

01-28-2009, 09:51 AM

I feel as if they could charge anything they want for something with KH on the box, though.

Brian9824

01-28-2009, 09:56 AM

this ain't no deal. why are ps2 games still $40? even next gen games are around $40. no buy.

Don't know what you've been smoking but 99% of games are $60, $70-90 if you want the copy that comes with bonus features.

Definitely a day 1 pre-order from me.

Gotta love Atlus for constantly releasing games below the MSRP of $49.99 and throwing in free stuff.

MSI Magus

01-28-2009, 09:59 AM

I saw this yesterday and immediately looked for a preorder. The first game was meh and Persona has been the only SMT series I have liked(screw nocturne it was meh too). However this game may be better then the first and even if its not I bet I can flip it for like $100 in the first weeks. I mean hell I sold my Persona 4 Social Link bundle for $110!

heybtbm

01-28-2009, 11:37 AM

Completely 100% agree. I will be absolutely be purchasing this even though my backlog is about 20+ games deep and I likely won't even touch the game for a full year. If this was a new Square-Enix game for the PS2 it'd be $49.99 regular price and $59.99 with that plushie.

No it wouldn't. Sony capped the price of all new PS2 releases at $39.99 a year ago. Square-Enix might want to sell it for $50, but they wouldn't be allowed to in the US.

Gotta love Atlus for constantly releasing games below the MSRP of $49.99 and throwing in free stuff.

Again, MSRP for PS2 games is $39.99. It has been since early 2008.

Brian9824

01-28-2009, 11:47 AM

Previous logic still applies. They could easily do what everyone else does and charge extra $10 for LE game. Instead they throw in nice freebies without increasing price, and warn you ahead of time they are not planning on making alot of it so if you want the bonus to get it now.

FYI reviews i have seen place this game in the 9.4 range citing vast improvements with the battle system, persona capture/summon system, using multiple persona's at once in a battle, fusion spells, etc.

chimpian

01-28-2009, 12:39 PM

ill nab this for $30 with or without the plush, i dont really care for video game bonuses.

but this is good news, the first was quite enjoyable.

62t

01-28-2009, 12:49 PM

The other thing is Square Enix stopped making new PS2 games

bigl523

01-28-2009, 12:54 PM

I'll be pre-ordering this from amazon and flipping it for double the price. People were buying those Teddy plushes alone for $50.

Sir_Fragalot

01-28-2009, 02:48 PM

When amazon gets the preorders in I am jumping on it. SMT games are win for me and free plushie is awesome.

Brian9824

01-28-2009, 03:25 PM

ill nab this for $30 with or without the plush, i dont really care for video game bonuses.

but this is good news, the first was quite enjoyable.

Just be careful, the first devil summoner was mass produced but as we get farther and farther into the PS2's lifecycle the odds of Atlus re-releasing PS2 games get slimmer and slimmer.

Honestly i'd just buy it at lauch. I mean you can sell that plush for $15-20 easily in the future if you want it. Hell if you buy the game at launch i'll buy a 2nd plush from you for $15 shipped. Would look cool on my shelf.

cycophuk

01-28-2009, 03:39 PM

Japan gets an expanded version of Nocturne with Devil Summoner 2. We get...a plush.

Can someone elabortate on this or post a link where I can read the details?

Oxygen

01-28-2009, 03:48 PM

Can someone elabortate on this or post a link where I can read the details?
Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_Summoner:_Kuzunoha_Raid%C5%8D_Tai_Abaddon_%C 5%8C) mentions it, so it must be true :-P

mkelehan

01-28-2009, 04:06 PM

Atlus is saying this is "extremely limited." So, if you want it, get it quick.

opportunity777

01-28-2009, 04:39 PM

Atlus is saying this is "extremely limited." So, if you want it, get it quick.

Is it going to be extremely limited before or after the 8th reprint?

flames_of_chaos

01-28-2009, 04:57 PM

The Atlus PR said that the first print run which will be limited will include the plushie and all subsequent print runs(if there are any) will not include the plushie.

kazunori

01-28-2009, 05:04 PM

Can someone elabortate on this or post a link where I can read the details?

It's not really an "expanded" version of Nocturne. It's essentially the same game as the one released here a few years ago, except with Raidou taking Dante's place in the game.

mkelehan

01-28-2009, 05:07 PM

The Atlus PR said that the first print run which will be limited will include the plushie and all subsequent print runs(if there are any) will not include the plushie.

Ah. Well then, whatever.

UberNinjaz

01-28-2009, 05:29 PM

Just wehn I though Atlus would finally take the jump into current gen & bring Persona + SMT to 360 (I honestly pray every night. Srsly), they rope us back in with Devil Summoner 2 for PS2 :-(

Brian9824

01-28-2009, 05:34 PM

Why would Atlus want to spend more money coding on a harder system when the PS2 has more of a userbase then 360 and PS3 combined?

Monsta Mack

01-28-2009, 05:39 PM

I'm tempted to flip as well but that plushie is damn cute.

I still can't be too excited for this title after paying $12 for the first Devil Summoner that wasn't too hot. I tried to play it throughly but ended up getting bored and putting it in my backlog after a good 10+ hours playing it.

fujishig

01-28-2009, 05:42 PM

Just wehn I though Atlus would finally take the jump into current gen & bring Persona + SMT to 360 (I honestly pray every night. Srsly), they rope us back in with Devil Summoner 2 for PS2 :-(

Personally, I'd rather that they stick to the older systems unless they have a jaw-dropping new engine or something. Last thing I want is something like Disgaea 3, which seems like it could have been a PS2 game...

MSI Magus

01-28-2009, 05:57 PM

Personally, I'd rather that they stick to the older systems unless they have a jaw-dropping new engine or something. Last thing I want is something like Disgaea 3, which seems like it could have been a PS2 game...

Even if they came up with some jaw dropping new engine I would rather them put it on the PS2 and be able to get it for $35 off Amazon then to have purty graphics but it cost $60.

Nirron

01-28-2009, 06:15 PM

Even if they came up with some jaw dropping new engine I would rather them put it on the PS2 and be able to get it for $35 off Amazon then to have purty graphics but it cost $60.

I shall echo this sentiment. The games are great, and the price is incredible, considering all the extra goodies included. Plus, with development costs as low as they are, they can afford to crank them out on the PS2 at such a low price.

I don't know how many people bought Persona 4 (I know it's a hell of a lot more than those who bought Devil Summoner or Nocturne) but I'd wager heavily that SMT games would sell a lot less on the 360 or PS3. I know Namco said they were "satisfied" with the sales for ToV, but then again, that's a fairly big franchise. You say Tales of in America, and you'll get a lot more recognition than if you said Shin Megami Tensei. /rant off

kazunori

01-28-2009, 06:50 PM

I don't know how many people bought Persona 4 (I know it's a hell of a lot more than those who bought Devil Summoner or Nocturne) but I'd wager heavily that SMT games would sell a lot less on the 360 or PS3. I know Namco said they were "satisfied" with the sales for ToV, but then again, that's a fairly big franchise. You say Tales of in America, and you'll get a lot more recognition than if you said Shin Megami Tensei. /rant off

That's an interesting point actually. SMT may not be as widely recognised as the Tales series (that's debatable though, I personally think otherwise), but right now, I believe the Persona offshoots definitely are more "mainstream" than Tales, especially after the breakout success of P3 and the "hype" P4 got.
When was the last non-Square/FF JRPG you can recall that got that much attention to it before its release?

Not to say they're undeserving, cause I like the SMT games more than Tales anyway, but ask the average non JRPG gamer which series is more familiar to him, and I'll bet Persona would be ahead of Tales.

A new SMT/Persona on current gen consoles would surely sell more than something like ToV did, no doubt. Tales hasn't "broken out" into mainstream appeal just yet.

forweg

01-28-2009, 06:55 PM

FYI reviews i have seen place this game in the 9.4 range citing vast improvements with the battle system, persona capture/summon system, using multiple persona's at once in a battle, fusion spells, etc.

Sorry to nitpick, but they're only called personas in the Persona series.

A new SMT/Persona on current gen consoles would surely sell more than something like ToV did, no doubt.

Persona, probably, SMT, no way. Most of the people who've recently gotten into Persona couldn't care less about the rest of the SMT line.

Nirron

01-28-2009, 07:04 PM

That's an interesting point actually. SMT may not be as widely recognised as the Tales series (that's debatable though, I personally think otherwise), but right now, I believe the Persona offshoots definitely are more "mainstream" than Tales, especially after the breakout success of P3 and the "hype" P4 got.
When was the last non-Square/FF JRPG you can recall that got that much attention to it before its release?

Not to say they're undeserving, cause I like the SMT games more than Tales anyway, but ask the average non JRPG gamer which series is more familiar to him, and I'll bet Persona would be ahead of Tales.

A new SMT/Persona on current gen consoles would surely sell more than something like ToV did, no doubt. Tales hasn't "broken out" into mainstream appeal just yet.

There's two main reasons I don't see Persona becoming really mainstream (though I did acquiesce that P3 and, subsequently Persona 4 were quite popular) and those are the art and the difficulty. Well, maybe not. Those points are more pros for Tales than negatives for SMT. Tales games are ridiculously easy (for me at least) or at least easier than Persona 3 or 4 on Easy. To get mainstream, the game has to get popular, and it seems like it's way too difficult for most people, at least Stateside, to sell great. I think the cartoony look of most Tales games gives it more mass appeal too.

That's not to say that a SMT game wouldn't do well on the 360 or PS3, but I'm willing to bet that it would sell quite a bit less than a PS2 counterpart. Oh, and unfortunately, for your last point, JRPGs seem to be diminishing more and more. People seem to be going toward WRPGs now, where they tend to be more mixtures of shooter/RPG (as ME and Fallout 3 are, though both being great games) and JRPGs as story-driven games with traditional types of combat seem to be getting fewer and fewer. I barely even see any JRPGs from companies other than Atlus or Nippon Ichi, and I try to keep my eye out for any unique JRPGs out there.

Edit: Oh, and I just remembered something. I think last check, the 360 had 850k units in Japan, and the PS3 has something like 2.7 mil. They would probably have to make it multiplat to turn a profit and even then, the development costs for both systems might be fairly high. Though I will admit, Atlus needs to put out some good games for the HD consoles. Their two games released thus far have gotten pretty mediocre reviews. I'm surprised though that Atlus and Namco have been giving so much attention to the 360. Namco hasn't done jack in terms of PS3 RPGs other than porting Eternal Sonata, and Atlus hasn't touched it.

And on topic, the day they put this on Amazon, I will be pre-ordering it. I enjoyed the first one. I'd rank the original below Nocturne and Persona 3 & 4, but that's like saying I like chocolate and strawberry ice cream better than vanilla; they're all tasty.

kazunori

01-28-2009, 08:49 PM

There's two main reasons I don't see Persona becoming really mainstream (though I did acquiesce that P3 and, subsequently Persona 4 were quite popular) and those are the art and the difficulty. Well, maybe not. Those points are more pros for Tales than negatives for SMT. Tales games are ridiculously easy (for me at least) or at least easier than Persona 3 or 4 on Easy. To get mainstream, the game has to get popular, and it seems like it's way too difficult for most people, at least Stateside, to sell great. I think the cartoony look of most Tales games gives it more mass appeal too.

That's not to say that a SMT game wouldn't do well on the 360 or PS3, but I'm willing to bet that it would sell quite a bit less than a PS2 counterpart. Oh, and unfortunately, for your last point, JRPGs seem to be diminishing more and more. People seem to be going toward WRPGs now, where they tend to be more mixtures of shooter/RPG (as ME and Fallout 3 are, though both being great games) and JRPGs as story-driven games with traditional types of combat seem to be getting fewer and fewer. I barely even see any JRPGs from companies other than Atlus or Nippon Ichi, and I try to keep my eye out for any unique JRPGs out there.

I don't disagree that the SMT games in general are more difficult than most JRPGs, and involve quite a bit of tedious leveling, but by "popular" I meant like, how much the average gamer knows about it, even if they've never even played it.

Ask a non-JRPG gamer if they know about the Persona series, and you'll likely get a rough description that it's this RPG about high school kids and demons. Ask him about the Tales series, and you'll likely get at best, a guess that it's some long running RPG series.
I'm fairly certain even some other JRPG series like Suikoden, which hasn't had a new release in a few years, is more popular in that sense than Tales is over here.

And with Persona's recent increase in recognition, I'm willing to bet many gamers who weren't really big on JRPGs before gave P4 a shot, as opposed to ToV, which was released to relatively little fanfare.

Longtime JRPG fans (the kind who know about SMT games and their difficulty, and of Tales as well) would've likely gotten both anyway if they were fans, so it's the non-JRPGer (the kind who doesn't really know much about SMT games, but has read good things about Persona and seen the awesome art style) who would've likely boosted Persona's sales and popularity beyond that of Tales.

The difficulty of the games would've played little part in their popularity, IMHO. Maybe the non-JRPGer would've gotten turned off from it after a while cause it was too hard and sold it used or whatever, but that's besides the point.

About it selling more on PS2 than the current gen systems, well it IS the highest selling console of all time, most titles that aren't blockbuster current gen hits like MGS4, GoW, etc are likely to sell better on the PS2 than those systems.

Still, you make good points and I enjoyed reading them. Just my 2 cents on this. :)

Masterkyo

01-28-2009, 10:49 PM

ATLUS Rocking last year & this year. Lot Atlus/Nis keep coming out in the US :) I hope amazon drop down $30 for pre-order, lol

fatbeer

01-28-2009, 11:01 PM

I will defiantly preorder just for the plush alone. I hope they improve combat system for this game.

shivaedge

01-28-2009, 11:02 PM

Do Want

DJTuffPuppy

01-28-2009, 11:09 PM

I just preordered off of ebgames.com

mythus

01-28-2009, 11:14 PM

when will this be on amazon? atlus and amazon are usually buddy buddy.

the_punisher

01-28-2009, 11:17 PM

@Nirron

You bring up a good point. It'd be interesting to know how well Persona 4 sold, and how much fo a profit Atlus made.

It is also an amazing game, so i wish more people knew about it. My only problems so far is, after 63 hours, i'm stuck on a boss and afraid i might not beat it after all the hours i put into it =/. If you've beaten the game and want to help me, PM me ;).

Anyway, can anyone compare Persona and this? I don't know what to expect (and it's still a must-buy).

VWarrior

01-28-2009, 11:38 PM

when will this be on amazon? atlus and amazon are usually buddy buddy.

I'd think not too long given the deal with EBgames and the fact that Atlus is partnered with Amazon.

I remember P3 FES showed up on Gamestop/EBGames.com first but Amazon had it listed soon after.

wizardofcoz4126

01-29-2009, 12:18 AM

This is a must buy for me definately since ,according to Kotaku, it will be a limited print release. http://kotaku.com/5140383/atlus-makes-devil-summoner-2-official-exceedingly-precious

fatbeer

01-29-2009, 12:30 AM

Anyway, can anyone compare Persona and this? I don't know what to expect (and it's still a must-buy).

It's another game trying to jump into the whole Pokemon bandwagon. Games like Tales of Symphonia 2, Elebits: The Adventures of Zero and Kai, Digimon, or Spectrobes.

In the first Devil Summoner you play as detective trying to solve the mysterious events at Japan. The combat is like an action game with your traditional hack and slash with one range weapon. During the course of battle, you can capture monsters with these neon glow stick (which is also similar to Pokemon with Pokeballs). Unlike Pokemon, you need to hit the monsters weakness and rapidly press the face buttons in order to capture these monsters. You can use these monsters as allies during combat or use their abilities to progress further game such as strength to move a car or fire to burn a tree.

The problem is they didn't do anything exceptional well to distinguish itself from the competition. The hack and slash was mediocre at best. It was very slow pace with no combos unlike the modern counterparts of Tales Series, Hack GU or Devil May Cry. Since your main protagonist is human, you only limited to physical attacks. All the magical attacks must come from monsters. Thus, making your character very one dimension - physical brawler.

I never read the previews for this game, so I have no idea if it's good or not. I heard people say it's a vast improvement over original and they refine it's combat tremendously.

superdry

01-29-2009, 02:37 AM

I'll probably order myself two copies...one to keep sealed and one opened to play (gotta keep my SMT PS2 collection going...sealed and open). But, I do wonder how much the game will cost once the first print run is OOP. Yay for scalper! haha....

Anywho...since people are discussing Atlus and SMT...I'll chime in. People, I've noticed, confuse Atlus USA with Atlus Japan (which is totally understandable though). Atlus USA is just a publisher...they don't develop games, just localizing and touching up stuff before releasing it in the US. No one really knows what Atlus Japan is producing for the next-gen systems. Someone on siliconera pointed out that they might be concentrating on 360 development. Considering the time inbetween SMT II and Nocturne (nine years)...I wouldn't be surprised if SMT IV is going to take a while and another spinoff of the series is going to be released on either hte 360 or PS3 (maybe Persona 5 considering how immensely popular the series has become)

Anyway, can anyone compare Persona and this? I don't know what to expect (and it's still a must-buy).

As people have pointed out, Devil Summoner (well, the two PS2 titles as there were two previous Devil Summoner titles released that never got here in the US) is an action-rpg. Different from the other SMT games...you pretty much do the same stuff in battle (attack, summon, use items), but you attack in real time. At least the game pauses when you bring up menus. Also, instead of choosing new Persona through tarot cards, you have to capture demons in the game to help you out. Just like the Persona series, you can fuse the demons to gain new/stronger ones. One way to look at Devil Summoner is a real-time version of Persona, without the school-life stuff, but with demon capturing.

Also, I might be wrong here, but Devil Summoner did not jump on the whole Pokemon bandwagon...considering capturing (in any which way possible) demons has been a staple of the SMT series.

I remember reading somewhere that SMT use to be the 3rd most popular RPG series in Japan, but that has now be supplanted by the Tales of series.

MSI Magus

01-29-2009, 08:06 AM

I'll probably order myself two copies...one to keep sealed and one opened to play (gotta keep my SMT PS2 collection going...sealed and open). But, I do wonder how much the game will cost once the first print run is OOP. Yay for scalper! haha....

Anywho...since people are discussing Atlus and SMT...I'll chime in. People, I've noticed, confuse Atlus USA with Atlus Japan (which is totally understandable though). Atlus USA is just a publisher...they don't develop games, just localizing and touching up stuff before releasing it in the US. No one really knows what Atlus Japan is producing for the next-gen systems. Someone on siliconera pointed out that they might be concentrating on 360 development. Considering the time inbetween SMT II and Nocturne (nine years)...I wouldn't be surprised if SMT IV is going to take a while and another spinoff of the series is going to be released on either hte 360 or PS3 (maybe Persona 5 considering how immensely popular the series has become)

As people have pointed out, Devil Summoner (well, the two PS2 titles as there were two previous Devil Summoner titles released that never got here in the US) is an action-rpg. Different from the other SMT games...you pretty much do the same stuff in battle (attack, summon, use items), but you attack in real time. At least the game pauses when you bring up menus. Also, instead of choosing new Persona through tarot cards, you have to capture demons in the game to help you out. Just like the Persona series, you can fuse the demons to gain new/stronger ones. One way to look at Devil Summoner is a real-time version of Persona, without the school-life stuff, but with demon capturing.

Also, I might be wrong here, but Devil Summoner did not jump on the whole Pokemon bandwagon...considering capturing (in any which way possible) demons has been a staple of the SMT series.

I remember reading somewhere that SMT use to be the 3rd most popular RPG series in Japan, but that has now be supplanted by the Tales of series.

See I would love to see the Persona series go action based too and preferably have less grinding too. I find the older I get the less love I have for turn based games and for grinding. I LOVE the Persona series humor, setting, s.links and summoning of Persona's....but I am finding it hard despite LOVING Persona 4 for those reasons to finish the game because of the hours and hours you have to spend in every dungeon.

RaidenMGS3

01-29-2009, 10:08 AM

Also, I might be wrong here, but Devil Summoner did not jump on the whole Pokemon bandwagon...considering capturing (in any which way possible) demons has been a staple of the SMT series.

Indeed, the first SMT game came out in '92/'93 (can't remember the year right now) and capturing/collecting demons for use in battle was one of the key points of the game. Pokemon was, what? 1995?

Brian9824

01-29-2009, 01:14 PM

Just ordered it from gamestop too. Will probably order one from amazon as well to be damn sure I get that plushie.

kazunori

01-29-2009, 01:37 PM

Also, I might be wrong here, but Devil Summoner did not jump on the whole Pokemon bandwagon...considering capturing (in any which way possible) demons has been a staple of the SMT series.

Indeed, but that's not to say SMT never did try doing the whole Pokemon thing. Anyone ever heard of DemiKids for the GBA? It was exactly that - Pokemon crossed with the demons of SMT.

Heck, it even came in two "different" releases - Light and Dark.

I'm a huge SMT fan who's got a crapload of their stuff (even some obscure imports releases from the 90s), so I bought those anyway but never even opened them.

fairyland

01-29-2009, 01:52 PM

Hi, I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to getting promos like this. Any suggestions what to do to be 100% sure get them?

The last promo I wanted this badly was the Castlevania box for the DS and I had to fight tooth and nail to get it as they did not want to give it up. That was a horrible experience. I got other promos without trouble like the Lego Indy shirt and Castlevania CD, but honestly I did not care if I got those or not. I must get two of these plush...

An online England friend of mine (who wants the second plush) suggested that I put in a few reserves in a few stores and if they won't give me the plush then don't buy it and get my $5.00 back. He used to work at the UK version of Gamestop "Game" and he said the deposit is fully refundable for any reason. I swore this is NOT the policy for the USA. Can any one clarify on the deposit policy?

Basically, unless I get the plush, it's not really going to be something I would buy right away and definitely not at full price. I got half way with the first one and while it was ok, it's not ranked at the top of my fav RPG list to justify this to be a must buy without the cute plush.

62t

01-29-2009, 01:55 PM

It is not a bonus, every copy will come with the plushie.

the_punisher

01-29-2009, 02:14 PM

See I would love to see the Persona series go action based too and preferably have less grinding too. I find the older I get the less love I have for turn based games and for grinding. I LOVE the Persona series humor, setting, s.links and summoning of Persona's....but I am finding it hard despite LOVING Persona 4 for those reasons to finish the game because of the hours and hours you have to spend in every dungeon.

My feelings exactly.

Also, thanks to everyone for the update on the game. Sounds like it could be a really good game if it had improvements. Heck, it worked from P3 to P4. *flameshield*

VWarrior

01-29-2009, 02:50 PM

It is not a bonus, every copy will come with the plushie.

Only the first print. Subsequent prints (if any)won't include it.

punkmaggit

01-29-2009, 04:04 PM

Only the first print. Subsequent prints (if any)won't include it.

This is Atlus. They've been reprinting like MAD for the past year.

62t

01-29-2009, 04:05 PM

Only the first print. Subsequent prints (if any)won't include it.

that is going to be later on. Chances are if you get it in the first month or so you will get the bonus

kazunori

01-29-2009, 05:22 PM

This is Atlus. They've been reprinting like MAD for the past year.

Yeah, just about every SMT game from last gen (and even beyond, as proven by Persona 2 EP and a couple others) has been reprinted by Atlus. Ironically the only one that didn't get reprinted was the first Devil Summoner.
If DS2 sells out, rest assured you'll be seeing reprints of it soon enough.

Then again, most of the people here don't really seem to know or care about the game itself and are just in this for the plushie, or rather, its certain increase in value.

VWarrior

01-29-2009, 06:47 PM

that is going to be later on. Chances are if you get it in the first month or so you will get the bonus

Oh I'm not saying there won't be ample to go around for early adopters (though at the same time I don't know how "limited" Atlus is planning on making the plushies), I'm just saying in case some people may read what you said incorrectly that not every new copy that will ever be made will include the plushie.

62t

01-29-2009, 06:51 PM

Oh I'm not saying there won't be ample to go around for early adopters (though at the same time I don't know how "limited" Atlus is planning on making the plushies), I'm just saying in case some people may read what you said incorrectly that not every new copy that will ever be made will include the plushie.

right but there are people who are afraid they wont get the plushie even if they preorder

the_punisher

01-29-2009, 08:37 PM

Atlus is on fire lately. Just made a new thread for their new game, check it out:

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212770

opportunity777

01-29-2009, 08:59 PM

Atlus is on fire lately. Just made a new thread for their new game, check it out:

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212770

I wish they would put out some better 360 titles.

superdry

01-29-2009, 09:35 PM

This is Atlus. They've been reprinting like MAD for the past year.

Even if this game has only one limited print run (numbered too so one know how many were printed), just like the "limited" Growlanser: Heritage of War, copies might still linger on over the course of the year. Depending on the sales, Atlus might do a 2nd print run.

Yeah, just about every SMT game from last gen (and even beyond, as proven by Persona 2 EP and a couple others) has been reprinted by Atlus. Ironically the only one that didn't get reprinted was the first Devil Summoner.
If DS2 sells out, rest assured you'll be seeing reprints of it soon enough.

Then again, most of the people here don't really seem to know or care about the game itself and are just in this for the plushie, or rather, its certain increase in value.

Digital Devil Saga 2 did not receive a reprint...the price of that game has jumped considerably. The first PS2 Devil Summoner probably didn't sell well...so lots of copies were floating around and Atlus did not need to do a reprint.

Even if people buy the game just for the plushie or to resell...that's still a sale and money for Atlus.

opportunity777

01-29-2009, 09:55 PM

Digital Devil Saga 2 did not receive a reprint...the price of that game has jumped considerably. The first PS2 Devil Summoner probably didn't sell well...so lots of copies were floating around and Atlus did not need to do a reprint.

Even if people buy the game just for the plushie or to resell...that's still a sale and money for Atlus.

DDS2 had multiple print runs. The first run has a white cover to match the Deluxe version of DDS1. The second print run (I suspect there was at least one other subsequent run of this edition) had a different cover, which is the variation most people have seen on the net or in store. I can take photos of both covers if you want.

Here is a stock photo / website scan comparison:

DDS2 1st Print

http://www.digitaldevildb.com/images/boxart/full/dds2/dds2b_front.jpg

DDS2 2nd Print w/back cover (and any subsequent prints)

http://shaunmusco.com/images/Printed/PS2%20Covers/Digital_Devil_Saga_2_Dvd_custom-front.jpg

mythus

01-29-2009, 10:14 PM

DDS2 had multiple print runs. The first run has a white cover to match the Deluxe version of DDS1. The second print run (I suspect there was at least one other subsequent run of this edition) had a different cover, which is the variation most people have seen on the net or in store. I can take photos of both covers if you want.

Here is a stock photo / website scan comparison:

DDS2 1st Print

http://www.digitaldevildb.com/images/boxart/full/dds2/dds2b_front.jpg

DDS2 2nd Print w/back cover (and any subsequent prints)

http://shaunmusco.com/images/Printed/PS2%20Covers/Digital_Devil_Saga_2_Dvd_custom-front.jpg
dds2 had interchangable covers. I still have a sealed one i picked up from gamestop for 15$ a few months ago. My friend got one too and he opened his. You can just flip the cover to either of those 2. so far i have every shin megami release in ntsc except persona 1, and rumors say that that may get a reprint in the next few months as well as a psn release.

Chronis

01-29-2009, 10:47 PM

^^Actually, it seems that the first Persona is being ported/remade on the PSP. Who knows if it'll actually come stateside though, since the old Persona is drastically different from P3/Fes/4. It might turn off some recent fans.

the_punisher

01-29-2009, 10:48 PM

dds2 had interchangable covers. I still have a sealed one i picked up from gamestop for 15$ a few months ago. My friend got one too and he opened his. You can just flip the cover to either of those 2. so far i have every shin megami release in ntsc except persona 1, and rumors say that that may get a reprint in the next few months as well as a psn release.

PSP version coming to japan. I wish i had gotten P2 sealed from Amazon though =/

opportunity777

01-29-2009, 10:56 PM

dds2 had interchangable covers. I still have a sealed one i picked up from gamestop for 15$ a few months ago. My friend got one too and he opened his. You can just flip the cover to either of those 2. so far i have every shin megami release in ntsc except persona 1, and rumors say that that may get a reprint in the next few months as well as a psn release.

Even so, the first runs still had the white showing on the outside.

Maromi

01-29-2009, 10:59 PM

^ Not my copy. I bought it on day one, and the cover that was displayed was the bottom one.

Darknuke

01-29-2009, 11:16 PM

In for one. I love atlus games so much. I've never been disappointed by one yet. I haven't played Devil Summoner one but I plan on having it played before DS2 comes out.

Maromi

01-29-2009, 11:17 PM

In for one. I love atlus games so much. I've never been disappointed by one yet.

You've obviously been lucky enough to avoid Atlus' many localization blunders. XD

opportunity777

01-29-2009, 11:31 PM

^ Not my copy. I bought it on day one, and the cover that was displayed was the bottom one.

I only saw the white copies in my area. I guess Atlus is weird like that.

62t

01-30-2009, 12:37 AM

I only saw the white copies in my area. I guess Atlus is weird like that.

just your area. I got both white and yellow cover on day one

opportunity777

01-30-2009, 12:41 AM

just your area. I got both white and yellow cover on day one

I actually never noticed the cover could be turned inside out, and I never saw the yellow type cover until GameStop started stocking used ones on the shelves. :dunce:

I should pay more attention to these things! :)

icebeast

01-30-2009, 03:29 AM

I'll definitely be getting this... but I'm waiting for Amazon to post it. Hopefully they will soon. I'm a huge SMT fan.

sliknik27

01-30-2009, 03:36 AM

I'll wait for Amazon, since I'm boycotting GameStop for the rest of my life.

mrlokievil

01-30-2009, 08:27 AM

I would rather get it from amazon but i'm not really going to take any chances. I can always cancel the gamestop one later.

UjnHunter

01-30-2009, 08:51 AM

Doh... Atlus needs to start only releasing 1 or 2 games a year... they are killing me! :(

eldergamer

01-30-2009, 02:18 PM

Hyrule Crusader

01-30-2009, 02:41 PM

I went ahead and pre-ordered at GameStop, for now. Will probably cancel and go with Amazon once they put it up.

SDC

01-30-2009, 02:59 PM

I'm playing the first one now. Started episode 2 last night. Like most Atlus game it seems like there's a pretty steep difficulty curve at the beginning. The combat is pretty basic and not too precise.

I just got the original in a trade (right before the localization of this was anounced, so I'm not even bandwagon-hopping!), and I tested it out. But the issue is that I took Devil May cry 4 to put SMT: Devil Summoner in.
I think I have to play an RPG first, or something, because going from dmc-combat to Devil Summoner combat just doesn't work.

VWarrior

01-30-2009, 03:48 PM

ATTENTION everyone waiting on Amazon, go get 'em!

http://www.amazon.com/Shin-Megami-Tensi-Summoner-Kuzunoha-Playstation/dp/B001QTW2GY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1233348296&sr=8-3

sliknik27

01-30-2009, 03:57 PM

ATTENTION everyone waiting on Amazon, go get 'em!

http://www.amazon.com/Shin-Megami-Tensi-Summoner-Kuzunoha-Playstation/dp/B001QTW2GY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1233348296&sr=8-3

Woohoo! Thanks VWarrior!

simpleblur

01-30-2009, 03:58 PM

Anyone know what the upgrades are in gameplay?

johnmirra

01-30-2009, 04:01 PM

Pre ordered, now if i can only get my hands on the first one......

oscargrouch

01-30-2009, 04:05 PM

in for 1!

Nirron

01-30-2009, 04:15 PM

Hm, no mention of the plushie on Amazon. I'm guessing it'll come with it (already put in my pre-order) but hopefully they update the page.

jacknicklson

01-30-2009, 04:16 PM

thanks vwarrior

4 months to think about it

SDC

01-30-2009, 04:21 PM

Anyone know what the upgrades are in gameplay?

From what I understand, you can now summon two demons at a time. I assume the combat system has been improved overall, though I don't know. I think you may now be able to talk to your demons, as well (This maybe brought over from other SMT games?).

mlisette23

01-30-2009, 05:11 PM

ATTENTION everyone waiting on Amazon, go get 'em!

http://www.amazon.com/Shin-Megami-Tensi-Summoner-Kuzunoha-Playstation/dp/B001QTW2GY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1233348296&sr=8-3

Thanks!

fuzzyfuk

01-30-2009, 05:15 PM

As soon as amazon has it up, I'm there. Thanks for the heads up.

Morphine

01-30-2009, 05:50 PM

Preordered from Amazon

mythus

01-30-2009, 06:14 PM

arg amazon where is that plush.

62t

01-30-2009, 06:16 PM

arg amazon where is that plush.

every copy of the first shipment will have it so no worry

bigl523

01-30-2009, 06:20 PM

aaand ordered from amazon :D

mythus

01-30-2009, 06:21 PM

and order 2 from amazon, friend and me of course.

TheMaidenOfSorrow

01-30-2009, 07:26 PM

In for 2 >_>

UberNinjaz

01-30-2009, 09:05 PM

I don't see a pic of the plushie on the page when I check Amazon for preordering. Should it even show up?

Preordered just a couple of seconds ago.

Maromi

01-30-2009, 09:07 PM

For the P4 and Eternal Poison preorders, it took them a bit longer than GameStop to get the bonus stuff uploaded. It'll be there soon.

gunm

01-30-2009, 09:11 PM

Atlus just sent out an email confirming all first run copies will have the plush, amazon included.

Order away!

mythus

01-30-2009, 09:28 PM

yup just got the email from amazon.

atlus -
PRE-ORDER SHIN MEGAMI TENSEI: DEVIL SUMMONER 2: RAIDOU KUZUNOHA vs. KING ABADDON TODAY! Every launch copy to be bundled with ultra-rare Raiho plushie
Consider Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner 2: Raidou Kuzunoha vs. King Abaddon officially announced for North America, Faithful. (that's what this (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102424598019&e=001zFo4LIlJjS70KmiyTgivMSVIXfnAJr5M-Av3N2HDLo1oV917-vqhvEtCrSz3bgsvW4dyfcOaH6WBr1z6Lv7mAP4B5dGUbtRPG6P 50oR3TUN-PgTc6bvMVWe2D10u_DROJD8PGsgLx78=) image was all about)

Now, you can pre-order SMT: Devil Summoner 2 at Amazon.com and Amazon.ca! More importantly, EACH and EVERY copy of the game's launch run is a special, super-limited bundle with the game AND an ultra-rare Raiho collectible for just $39.99. Read on.

shivaedge

01-30-2009, 09:33 PM

Pre-order'd!

ChibiJosh

01-30-2009, 09:50 PM

Preordered from amazon.

Guerrilla

01-30-2009, 09:51 PM

In for one!

Soujiro_Seta

01-30-2009, 10:22 PM

Got the email and preordered 1 :)

addicted2games

01-30-2009, 10:26 PM

Ordered from Amazon, screw GS and their taxing and shipping charges.

Pck21

01-30-2009, 10:51 PM

Got one as well. Thanks OP!

FlamedLiquid

01-30-2009, 11:22 PM

loved the first one. I'm going to have to buy a ps2 again. I sold mine like 2 years ago hoping to get a ps3 cheap with BC.......never happened. I still have all my games.....just never got around to buying a new ps2 yet. This may do it.

bigl523

01-31-2009, 12:21 AM

fyi, amazon is basically atlus's official retailer so there is no doubt that amazon will include all the special extras. they were if you remember the only place to sell the social link expansion pack.

donburns99

01-31-2009, 02:46 PM

Picked up my copy, but no extras this time around; I don't see this being nearly as popular as Persona 4.

Covnam

01-31-2009, 03:02 PM

Anyone know if there's any need, plot wise, to have played the previous SMT Devil Summoner?

FlamedLiquid

01-31-2009, 03:08 PM

Anyone know if there's any need, plot wise, to have played the previous SMT Devil Summoner?

Not sure........if this has the same characters than yah you may want to play the first one first. Theres like 5 different endings to the 1st game though.

thelonepig

01-31-2009, 03:26 PM

MSI Magus

01-31-2009, 03:37 PM

Preordered two - one for me and one for whomever will inevitably decide not to preorder because "limited print run" is really just hype. Maybe this time it won't sit on my list at cost plus shipping for several weeks before I sell it at 300% profit on Amazon (i.e. Social Link Expansion Pack).

Hehe I did the exact same thing. I sold my P4 Social link for $110 so I figured order 2 of these, worse comes to worse if the price doesn't sky rocket I just return it. Best results I decide to sell both and make $200 off this then rebuy just the game later for $20.

Hyrule Crusader

01-31-2009, 05:50 PM

johnmirra

02-01-2009, 05:52 PM

Just picked up the first one today at a local gamestop for 8.50 after my edge discount.

newlu

02-01-2009, 08:03 PM

Will Amazon pre-order get the plush doll?

opportunity777

02-01-2009, 08:08 PM

Will Amazon pre-order get the plush doll?

Yes.

newlu

02-01-2009, 08:30 PM

Yes.

Thanks

sliknik27

02-01-2009, 10:38 PM

earvcunanan

02-01-2009, 11:16 PM

Looks like we've pushed it into the top ten (http://www.amazon.com/computer-video-games-hardware-accessories/b/ref=sa_menu_cvg1?ie=UTF8&node=468642&pf_rd_p=328655101&pf_rd_s=left-nav-1&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=507846&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0J50XTTGFW9YSP3TH31S) for video game sales. Nice work CAGs.

Wow, do CAGs love their Atlus games or what? This is my first time posting a topic about an Atlus title, and it's getting lots of feedback - and the game isn't even coming out for another 3 months!

uncle5555

02-04-2009, 12:13 AM

First off for the folks asking how good the game is look here. (Jekki posted this link as well, but I saw it elsewhere before I saw his post) It's as good a recommendation as you'll see for this game.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=343684

Secondly, for those wanting a SMT game on the 360, I have something to say to you....SMT: Nine. (on the original Xbox)

Atlus made it their exclusive Xbox game (and it was to be their foray into online gaming, however due to the major lack of sales, and no Japanese gamers having an Xbox, they scrapped the online version of it that was in development, and basically swore off any support for the Xbox from Atlus JPN from then on)

The rumor is the next SMT game is coming to the PS3, and judging by its sales in JPN and Atlus JPN's major support of the PS2 last gen I am pretty confident this will be the case as well that they'll find one system to develop for and stick with it, since they don't have unlimited pockets like some companies and can't take too many development losses before they start hurting financially.

Can't wait to play Raidou 2, loved the first one, preordered the day they had it up. Cheers.

menikmati

02-04-2009, 01:16 AM

Pre-ordered at Amazon.

62t

02-04-2009, 01:19 AM

Shady3011

02-04-2009, 03:14 PM

Showed up in my Gold Box. Pre-ordered.

eau

02-05-2009, 02:14 AM

Showed up in my Gold Box. Pre-ordered.
Ditto.

NotMSRP

02-05-2009, 11:30 PM

Showed up in my Gold Box too.

Nirron

02-06-2009, 12:13 AM

Atlus used to develop for PSOne and Saturn, and Atlus is pretty big in Japan so they can afford to develop for 2 system.

Well, while I know they'd make a bit more money multiplat than otherwise, you can't really compare development then to now. Development costs are notoriously outrageous for the HD consoles. I mean, look at the companies that have taken huge hits just because of one bad game. Free Radical with Haze, and Factor 5 with Lair come to mind. I mean, multiplat is most certainly not out of the question, but to dev on the PS1/Saturn probably only cost a fraction of what it cost for just the 360, and especially the PS3.

NismoZZzz

02-06-2009, 12:41 AM

In for one, just in case.

Vinny

02-06-2009, 12:43 AM

Dammit, I wish this would show up in my goldbox... but all I ever see in there is crap games and shredders.

meerkatgamer

02-13-2009, 12:04 PM

Looks like Amazon is not taking anymore pre-orders right now everyone wants a Raiho doll.. =)

bigl523

02-13-2009, 12:30 PM

Looks like Amazon is not taking anymore pre-orders right now everyone wants a Raiho doll.. =)

*Mario coin sound* *Mario coin sound* :)

eau

02-15-2009, 01:20 AM

Wow. I'm so glad I preordered it last week.

02-15-2009, 05:28 AM

Can someone 'splain to me why everyone wants to preorder at Amazon vs Gamestop? It is the same price and comes with the same bonus (which isn't even available at Amazon any more), right?

I'd just way rather go with GS to use my credit there over real monies at Amazon (tax is not an issue either way).

I just want to make sure I'm not missing anything here ;).

I guess with how hard the first game is getting to find I better preorder this - though I did wait on the first one and got it for just $19.99. Compared to most Atlus games it was pretty common for a while (really until the second one was imminent). I'd hate to preorder this and see it shelf-sitting at $19.99 this fall since there's no way I'm playing it before then :-k...

matthewhsh2002

02-15-2009, 05:34 AM

Amazon = free shipping, no tax
and you don't have to worry about GS workers stealing your bonus!

and I heard this game is going to be limited print, but I'm not sure if thats true or not

Raye

02-15-2009, 05:46 AM

I hate dealing with Gamestop, especially after they screwed up my pre-order for Twilight Princess years ago. Since then, I've sworn to never give them business. I'd much rather come home after work and find my game in the mailbox instead of wasting time and gas to go to the mall and pay tax for the exact same thing. I'm also not one to usually NEED a game as soon as it comes out, so I can wait most times.

Most of ATLUS's games tend to be limited in some way, shape, or form. Usually after a year or so after it's released, it becomes a bit harder to find them depending on their popularity. I don't think the first Devil Summoner was too popular; it was the only SMT title I saw on shelves, and this was well over a year after it was released.

I also can't believe some of you guys managed to sell your P4 S.Link sets for over $100. People must really have money to burn.

UberNinjaz

02-15-2009, 05:47 AM

Amazon = free shipping, no tax
and you don't have to worry about GS workers stealing your bonus!

and I heard this game is going to be limited print, but I'm not sure if thats true or not
Some states will charge tax, like NY. Goddamn David Patterson...

& Gamestop stealing your preorder bonuses then claming they never got them is a big reason for me also.

02-15-2009, 06:24 AM

Well, yeah, tax is not an issue either way for me like I said (no sales tax here). The preorder bonus theft is certainly something to consider, though I've had decent luck with GS preorders so far. Since I can't even get the bonus any more from Amazon I'll just go with GS. However, you could order online with GS and get the bonus, right? It seems they have it on there still. And you can get free shipping, too, I believe (using SAVER). I'd be somewhat hesitant to order online because if they simply forget to send you the bonus I don't imagine there's much you could do - though I'd have the same hesitation with Amazon.

I do have a couple of preorders at GS that I don't want, though, and could switch one of those to this game (along with another Atlus title - Dark Spire for the DS). I figure with the Atlus more than any other it is better to preorder (the one recent exception being the first Devil Summoner, however).

bigl523

02-15-2009, 08:53 AM

Hmm, getting a copy that's already been open and having to pay sales tax and having a chance of your pre-order being stolen sounds like more than enough reason to me to not get a copy from gamestop. Also, amazon's customer service >>>>> gamestop's. AFAIK amazon is atlus's official retailer since they closed down their own store so maybe they get a larger cut as well?

botticus

02-15-2009, 10:20 AM

The Raiho doll is packaged with the game, it's not really something that GS workers could steal. I'm sure they could, but that would be tough to explain away. For me, I'd just rather save tax at Amazon since I have plenty of other games coming out in the next 5 months to spend $40 in credit on.

c.gibbits

02-15-2009, 10:24 AM

To my understanding I thought the plush was actually 'bundled' with the game? OR am I wrong? Because if that is so, how can gamestop employees steal the preorder?

Is the bonus just separate like how all other GS preorder do it, hold it in their drawers? Shed some light for me you guys.

EDIT: I think botticus just answered my question before i posted it. Ahah.

Well How does it go about being bundled? will the plush and the game be sealed in a bigger box, like how the resistance 2 collectors is made? Has atlus ever added a plush with a game?

Maromi

02-15-2009, 10:40 AM

Why buy at Amazon over GameStop? Well, besides the free shipping/no sales tax, there's the fact that GameStop is the cesspool of the gaming retail industry.

Mr. Jack

02-15-2009, 11:04 AM

Ordering online from Gamestop doesn't ensure the bonus either. Years ago I preordered both Viewtiful Joe and Four Swords Adventures online the day they became available, and I received neither of the bonuses.

I especially wanted that VJ bobblehead, but I guess I'll have to scour eBay for it at this point.

Guerrilla

02-15-2009, 11:18 AM

Quite a few times I've preordered from Gamestop, only to walk in on release day and have employees claim that the preorder bonus never came through. Amazon has yet to fail me on that.

Pck21

02-15-2009, 11:34 AM

Apparently it's no longer available on Amazon at all? Glad I pre-ordered when I did...

Josef

02-15-2009, 01:00 PM

There's always the chance Amazon will lower the price by a few bucks before it releases, but with GS you can be damn sure it will be $39.99 or higher.

mlisette23

02-15-2009, 01:40 PM

With Amazon being sold out I highly doubt they're going to lower the price this time...and I was really hoping to getting the game at $36.99.

Pck21

02-15-2009, 07:40 PM

With Amazon being sold out I highly doubt they're going to lower the price this time...and I was really hoping to getting the game at $36.99.

Meh, what's $3 in the end? I understand $10 but $3? It probably won't drop in any case.

gomikeoh

02-15-2009, 08:26 PM

*Mario coin sound* *Mario coin sound* :)

Good thing i pre ordered 10

newlu

02-15-2009, 08:27 PM

So the plush is actually bundled with the game?
Is it confirmed?

TIA

62t

02-15-2009, 08:44 PM

So the plush is actually bundled with the game?
Is it confirmed?

TIA

yes

aerozero

02-15-2009, 08:49 PM

It's been confirmed by Atlus, that every single launch copy will come with a Raiho.

Maromi

02-15-2009, 09:31 PM

Good thing i pre ordered 10

Because that's not excessive or anything.

xsouthparkx

02-15-2009, 10:17 PM

Uhm, i have a ps3 160gb latest version. can it play this game?
I'm guessing no :cry:

DarkSageRK

02-15-2009, 11:15 PM

You are correct, Sir.

newlu

02-15-2009, 11:24 PM

Yup, the new 160gb DOES NOT have BC.
You can find a used PS2 for under $50 easily.

Vinny

02-15-2009, 11:32 PM

Guess I should be glad I preordered this...

Now if I could only find a copy of Devil Summoner (the first). They've all disappeared since this was announced and eBay is not a pretty sight.

prateeko

02-15-2009, 11:46 PM

No longer taking pre-orders? Glad I got my order in as soon as they sent the email. I skipped on the social pack for some reason and regret that decision...

blumpies5

02-16-2009, 02:04 AM

Damn, I missed out on the pre-order at amazon
Looks like I'm going to have to buy this at one of my local retailers once it's released if I want to get the plush which I do

superdry

02-16-2009, 03:06 AM

This is shaping nicely for the scalpers. Good thing I have my copy pre-ordered. I wonder if Gamestop or Gamecrazy also have a preorder allotment like Amazon did (or what looks like Amazon did).

I can totally see this game going for at least $80 the week it's released on the secondary market.

I still can't believe the Japanese P4 artbook that Amazon US managed to get still goes for crazy money.

62t

02-16-2009, 03:32 AM

Really with the game not coming out for months there is more than enough time for Atlus to make more plushie if they want.

pete5883

02-16-2009, 08:44 AM

Guess I should be glad I preordered this...

Now if I could only find a copy of Devil Summoner (the first). They've all disappeared since this was announced and eBay is not a pretty sight.

Use the store locator, it's only $10 at GS: http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?Product_ID=60752

MSI Magus

02-16-2009, 08:49 AM

Really with the game not coming out for months there is more than enough time for Atlus to make more plushie if they want.

Which would be bull shit since they said this would be a very limited release. If they release more and the market gets flooded with these then I am done trusting Atlus since they keep doing this shit.

Maromi

02-16-2009, 09:59 AM

I still can't believe the Japanese P4 artbook that Amazon US managed to get still goes for crazy money.

I hope no one is buying those ridiculously priced P4 JPN art books on Amazon. They're on the Japanese Amazon site for around 20 bucks.

ninja dog

02-16-2009, 10:19 AM

Apparently the plushie version of the game is numbered...does it have special box packaging too?

WhiteLens

02-16-2009, 11:38 AM

Use the store locator, it's only $10 at GS: http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?Product_ID=60752

Whoa, the priced for used went up to $14.99!

And I still can't find a copy, all the stores they have available around me is too far. Also the "new" copies aren't always accurate because I called one of the stores that the store locator showed for "new" and they said that they didn't have any copies.

62t

02-16-2009, 11:44 AM

Which would be bull shit since they said this would be a very limited release. If they release more and the market gets flooded with these then I am done trusting Atlus since they keep doing this shit.

They said limited but they never gave out a number. It make no sense for people not to be able to get the game on release date and the plushie cost very little to make in China

willardhaven

02-16-2009, 11:48 AM

Whoa, the priced for used went up to $14.99!

And I still can't find a copy, all the stores they have available around me is too far. Also the "new" copies aren't always accurate because I called one of the stores that the store locator showed for "new" and they said that they didn't have any copies.

I stopped by one of the stores that had it listed as "new". I was going to flip it gutted or not but they couldn't find the disc/manual. All they had was an open "new" case/insert.

If they didn't gut games, they wouldn't have to keep track of loose discs...

62t

02-16-2009, 11:48 AM

I stopped by one of the stores that had it listed as "new". I was going to flip it gutted or not but they couldn't find the disc/manual. All they had was an open "new" case/insert.

If they didn't gut games, they wouldn't have to keep track of loose discs...

It would still be a good flip at $10 for a disc only

Vinny

02-16-2009, 11:53 AM

Yeah, I check all the GSes around me and they've all been run dry. It's amazing how fast those scalpers work...

bojay1997

02-16-2009, 01:14 PM

They said limited but they never gave out a number. It make no sense for people not to be able to get the game on release date and the plushie cost very little to make in China

Exactly, Atlus is not going to just lock in the quantity some three months before the game even comes out with demand as strong as it is. I guarantee they will be doing more plushies to take advantage of demand and that pre-orders on Amazon will open up again before the release date.

willardhaven

02-16-2009, 01:26 PM

It would still be a good flip at $10 for a disc only

I don't think I explained correctly, they had the case but no game to put inside of it.

Either they lost it or an employee stole it, the gutted case was on the shelf but they looked all over for the "guts" and found nothing.

superdry

02-16-2009, 01:54 PM

Exactly, Atlus is not going to just lock in the quantity some three months before the game even comes out with demand as strong as it is. I guarantee they will be doing more plushies to take advantage of demand and that pre-orders on Amazon will open up again before the release date.

The P4 social link expansion pack never got a reprint once it sold out a few weeks to a month before release date. Once Amazon hit some allotment number...people couldn't preorder those anymore unless people canceled.

Anywho...Atlus did say in their newsletter that subsequent prints of the game, if any, will not come with the plushie. So, there is still a chance Atlus does a second print run of the game so people still have a chance to buy it.

Maromi

02-16-2009, 02:09 PM

I don't think I explained correctly, they had the case but no game to put inside of it.

Either they lost it or an employee stole it, the gutted case was on the shelf but they looked all over for the "guts" and found nothing.

Or they realized that they could make some money when they saw that they still had Devil Summoner in stock and lied to you. I had that happen to me on more than one occasion when coming across rarer games at GameStop in the past.

bojay1997

02-16-2009, 04:07 PM

The P4 social link expansion pack never got a reprint once it sold out a few weeks to a month before release date. Once Amazon hit some allotment number...people couldn't preorder those anymore unless people canceled.

Anywho...Atlus did say in their newsletter that subsequent prints of the game, if any, will not come with the plushie. So, there is still a chance Atlus does a second print run of the game so people still have a chance to buy it.

First, the social link pack sold out much closer to actual release and depended on items that could not easily be manufactured on short notice. It also came into stock again right after it came out. This package is over three months away from launch and all it requires is Atlus to have an additional 5,000 plushies manufactured which is very, very easy to do. You are being naive if you think Atlus is going to miss out on some serious additional revenue and leave it to the speculators to turn huge profits at their expense.

thelonepig

02-16-2009, 04:34 PM

First, the social link pack sold out much closer to actual release and depended on items that could not easily be manufactured on short notice. It also came into stock again right after it came out. This package is over three months away from launch and all it requires is Atlus to have an additional 5,000 plushies manufactured which is very, very easy to do. You are being naive if you think Atlus is going to miss out on some serious additional revenue and leave it to the speculators to turn huge profits at their expense.

I think it would be naive to think that Atlus would make more copies than they think will sell. Atlus isn't a publisher that can afford to have its titles sit on the shelf for months/years after release and slowly lose money on titles that aren't selling.

The first Devil Summoner didn't do exceptionally well, so why assume that the second will sell millions?

aegisol

02-16-2009, 05:19 PM

Atlus' gameplans for overseas sales has always been low print numbers followed by reprints if deemed necessary. P3, even with it's success in Japan, could have gone either way in other territories. With P3's success P4 was a much safer bet and so they printed more general copies but the social link expansion was probably never meant to be a giant seller as the XL-only shirt attests to. Kuma plushies were salvageable from any remaining Konamistyle edition stock (and you could even pick what size shirt you wanted with that edition).

Mako1215

02-16-2009, 05:48 PM

I might have to get this... Might as well.

bojay1997

02-16-2009, 06:05 PM

I think it would be naive to think that Atlus would make more copies than they think will sell. Atlus isn't a publisher that can afford to have its titles sit on the shelf for months/years after release and slowly lose money on titles that aren't selling.

The first Devil Summoner didn't do exceptionally well, so why assume that the second will sell millions?

Nobody is talking about doing millions of these. The genius of the Amazon distribution deal with Atlus is that they can closely craft press runs to actual pre-orders. I think they will probably increase their print run on the game and plush by another 5K or so to cover the next few months of pre-orders. Also, in case you haven't noticed, Atlus has been doing much larger runs of games recently and hasn't really sold out on anything in the past year or two.

62t

02-16-2009, 06:17 PM

GuardianE

02-16-2009, 06:19 PM

At the same time why make less copy than they can sell? Base on the preorder demand they can know if they need to print more copies.

People, including me, said the exact same thing about the Persona 4 Social Link Expansion.

EDIT: Whoops, I totally missed the entire conversation above.

Anywho, until Atlus actually lies to us about the limited nature of an item, I'm inclined to believe them. They've held up their end of the bargain thus far. When they say something's rare, it is.

cagvash

02-16-2009, 07:32 PM

Was in my GB, so couldn't resist.

superdry

02-16-2009, 08:17 PM

Nobody is talking about doing millions of these. The genius of the Amazon distribution deal with Atlus is that they can closely craft press runs to actual pre-orders. I think they will probably increase their print run on the game and plush by another 5K or so to cover the next few months of pre-orders. Also, in case you haven't noticed, Atlus has been doing much larger runs of games recently and hasn't really sold out on anything in the past year or two.

The plush was part of the Konami style package for DS2...I wouldn't be surprised if Atlus USA is just using excess stock from that to bundle with the game. Of course, I don't know for sure.

Yea, it does seem that Atlus USA is printing larger amounts of games they've been recently releasing (always surprised to see price drops for Atlus titles a few months after release). But, the games do slowly sell out. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the titles are out of print and retailers have what's left.

Well...no one will know about the stock situation for the game until pre-orders from Amazon open up again. One does have to wonder if Gamestop will stop preorders for the game...I highly doubt it though.

Maromi

02-16-2009, 08:33 PM

Preorder's already available again on Amazon, for those who are interested.

thelonepig

02-16-2009, 08:36 PM

Nobody is talking about doing millions of these. The genius of the Amazon distribution deal with Atlus is that they can closely craft press runs to actual pre-orders. I think they will probably increase their print run on the game and plush by another 5K or so to cover the next few months of pre-orders. Also, in case you haven't noticed, Atlus has been doing much larger runs of games recently and hasn't really sold out on anything in the past year or two.

At the same time why make less copy than they can sell? Base on the preorder demand they can know if they need to print more copies.

And perhaps they will, knowing that Amazon blew through their allocation so quickly (EDIT: as attested to the post above). They may also realize that some people jumped on the bandwagon early and will be canceling their preorders. At some point, Atlus will have to give a solid answer to the quantity as the game has to be printed, bundled, and shipped to retailers.

The case I was making was simply that Devil Summoner didn't sell well, so it would make sense that its sequel would not move a lot of units. There are big budget games that can prove this wrong, I'm sure, but we're talking about what is still a niche game for a niche market. Ultimately, as I stated before, Atlus is a company that can't afford to lose money by oversupplying product.

I foresee Devil Summoner 2 being much closer to the Persona 2 reprint that was up on Amazon for all of a few hours. Gamestop is still taking preorders - if you haven't reserved your copy yet, I'd suggest getting on that rather than complaining that Amazon has stopped.

willardhaven

02-16-2009, 08:52 PM

The case I was making was simply that Devil Summoner didn't sell well, so it would make sense that its sequel would not move a lot of units. There are big budget games that can prove this wrong, I'm sure, but we're talking about what is still a niche game for a niche market. Ultimately, as I stated before, Atlus is a company that can't afford to lose money by oversupplying product.

The difference between 2006 and 2009 is two blockbuster Persona games. I think the success of P3 and 4 will help DS2 push way more units.

thelonepig

02-16-2009, 09:22 PM

The difference between 2006 and 2009 is two blockbuster Persona games. I think the success of P3 and 4 will help DS2 push way more units.

Most likely, but why count on it? Why not do a proper reprint of P2 as opposed to the extremely limited release that Amazon saw? Atlus has proven that they're not going to bank on a game selling more copies just because of the recent success of the (US) SMT franchise.

Monsta Mack

02-16-2009, 09:36 PM

Well I bit since Amazon availability is back up (screw Gameslop). Damn this just means I'll have to finish the first one before May/June.

willardhaven

02-16-2009, 09:41 PM

I don't think they're going to print too many, I just think it will be a popular game.

62t

02-16-2009, 09:43 PM

Most likely, but why count on it? Why not do a proper reprint of P2 as opposed to the extremely limited release that Amazon saw? Atlus has proven that they're not going to bank on a game selling more copies just because of the recent success of the (US) SMT franchise.

I think the "reprint" from Persona 2 is more likely some leftover stock from the previous GQD reprint. I mean Persona 3 FES already proved that Atlus is ready to overstock a SMT game.

crunchewy

02-17-2009, 09:20 AM

I was about to put in a pre-order, but then changed my mind. I've never even played the first one. I don't know if I'd like it and the game is $40. Too much money to risk on an unknown. Maybe I'll regret it some day, but I'm looking at the first game and it's $10 new now. Surely this one will end up $10 some day too.

xycury

02-17-2009, 09:43 AM

GuardianE

02-17-2009, 10:02 AM

To be fair, that jump in demand only occurred once DS2 was announced, right? I've seen Devil Summoner all over the place.

MSI Magus

02-17-2009, 10:11 AM

Cancled my order. I didn't care for the first game but figured I could probally buy this then flip it for a fast profit. I think a lot of people are thinking that......and I think this time its going to bite a lot of people on the ass.

jacknicklson

02-17-2009, 10:30 AM

xycury

02-17-2009, 11:21 AM

To be fair, that jump in demand only occurred once DS2 was announced, right? I've seen Devil Summoner all over the place.

That's only the 3rd party used market. $10 new at GS is not the same, since one can never find it. Not like you'll see it at BB or WM for $10.

Just basing the point on not getting this because it will hit $10 too.

But I haven't watched the market on this and would agree that the price jumping is because of this sequel on the used markets.

crunchewy

02-17-2009, 11:27 AM

dropping to $10 and finding it at $10 is not the same thing.

I can't find this for 100s of miles anywhere for that price.

It (the first game) is available at that price at 4 Gamestops within 10 miles of me, one of which is only 5 minutes away. Or at least so claims the stock status on their web page, which has tended to be pretty accurate for me in the past. I'm sure they are gutted (I mean, pre-opened) copies, but that's OK. It's, bizarrely, lower then the used price. Obviously I should go pick it up at that price and see if I like it, then decide on the sequel. So, I might do that. However, can anyone tell me if it is like Rogue Galaxy? The game is described as an "action RPG" and what I first thought of when it said that was "Paper Mario", not that I was expecting that style/humor, but the infusion of some action elements into an RPG game, but then I realized that probably what they really meant is something more like "Rogue Galaxy". I really didn't like Rogue Galaxy at all (yes, I know, I must be crazy), so if this game is like that, I'll skip it.

xycury

02-17-2009, 11:36 AM

It (the first game) is available at that price at 4 Gamestops within 10 miles of me, one of which is only 5 minutes away. Or at least so claims the stock status on their web page, which has tended to be pretty accurate for me in the past. I'm sure they are gutted (I mean, pre-opened) copies, but that's OK. It's, bizarrely, lower then the used price. Obviously I should go pick it up at that price and see if I like it, then decide on the sequel. So, I might do that. However, can anyone tell me if it is like Rogue Galaxy? The game is described as an "action RPG" and what I first thought of when it said that was "Paper Mario", not that I was expecting that style/humor, but the infusion of some action elements into an RPG game, but then I realized that probably what they really meant is something more like "Rogue Galaxy". I really didn't like Rogue Galaxy at all (yes, I know, I must be crazy), so if this game is like that, I'll skip it.

Serious? 5 mins away, 4 GS?

damnit... I'll give you 20 if you want to ship it to me. Serious here.. hell 25.

I've been looking just to play it... and haven't found a copy anywhere.

MSI Magus

02-17-2009, 11:59 AM

Good, these should go to people that want them.

There are people buying this because they actually want it? I mean most games I am against buying several copies to sell...but I didnt think anyone would actually want this game after the first ;)

whitereflection

02-17-2009, 01:17 PM

It (the first game) is available at that price at 4 Gamestops within 10 miles of me, one of which is only 5 minutes away. Or at least so claims the stock status on their web page, which has tended to be pretty accurate for me in the past. I'm sure they are gutted (I mean, pre-opened) copies, but that's OK. It's, bizarrely, lower then the used price. Obviously I should go pick it up at that price and see if I like it, then decide on the sequel. So, I might do that. However, can anyone tell me if it is like Rogue Galaxy? The game is described as an "action RPG" and what I first thought of when it said that was "Paper Mario", not that I was expecting that style/humor, but the infusion of some action elements into an RPG game, but then I realized that probably what they really meant is something more like "Rogue Galaxy". I really didn't like Rogue Galaxy at all (yes, I know, I must be crazy), so if this game is like that, I'll skip it.

I don't remember how Rogue Galaxy played, but I can't say I liked the setting or any of the characters, and that certainly contributed to my not liking the game. Devil Summoner takes place in 1920s Japan, so if that sounds interesting to you, definitely pick it up. It's a steal at $10, and easily goes for $28-40 on eBay if you want to get rid of it.