Team Fortress 2 Discussion Thread

[Nelo Ice]

just got all the weapons for the scout
sandman is freaking hilarious!...especially when i had to use the taunt for out of the park :lol:

[Kayden]

Stupid scout...

[darthbudge]

It sure seems like they extended the range of scout's scattergun...

[MSI Magus]

How hard is it to get into this game? I have been debating picking it up for awhile but am really intimidated. I like a lot of FPSers and do pretty well sitting around with me and my buddies playing gears or halo but the second I go online I tend to get tossed around pretty badly....so I never play online. Playing a PC FPSer makes it doubly intimidating.

[Kayden]

It's easier than living with a FFX tattoo. :-P

[MSI Magus]

It's easier than living with a FFX tattoo. :-P

Wow your really obsessed with me and that little tidbit. Kind of scary......seriously you mention it in like every topic.

[Kayden]

You have a link to it in your sig. Every time you post I'm reminded of it. I don't really care, it's just like taking a crack at the kid with a mullet. It's easier to just give in and go to hell for it later.

TF2 is very easy to play. It's hard to be good at, but so are most games. Just play an engineer and stay out of the way, or play a heavy with a medic stuck on your ass. If you find a server too competitive, just join another.
Wow your really obsessed with me and that little tidbit. Kind of scary......seriously you mention it in like every topic.

[BlueScrote]

You have a link to it in your sig. Every time you post I'm reminded of it. I don't really care, it's just like taking a crack at the kid with a mullet. It's easier to just give in and go to hell for it later.

TF2 is very easy to play. It's hard to be good at, but so are most games. Just play an engineer and stay out of the way, or play a heavy with a medic stuck on your ass. If you find a server too competitive, just join another.


I also have a question about this. I'm getting back into playing TF2 again, after L4D got me into the habit of opening steam up.

I'm not very good(11 points in one life is my record), are there "newbie" servers that I should look for?

Also, I've yet to unlock any of the unlockables for any of the classes, is there anything in particular you guys did for these, besides the achievement whoreing servers?

[Kayden]

I don't think I've ever seen a server marked specifically as noob, but just try any one of them. If you don't like it, try another.

As for the achievements, Sporadic keeps mentioning some kind of unlocker, but I don't know how much I'd trust it.

I also have a question about this. I'm getting back into playing TF2 again, after L4D got me into the habit of opening steam up.

I'm not very good(11 points in one life is my record), are there "newbie" servers that I should look for?

Also, I've yet to unlock any of the unlockables for any of the classes, is there anything in particular you guys did for these, besides the achievement whoreing servers?

[Nohbdy]

and why are they a loser? i would love to hear your reasoning on this.

This, chucklenuts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX__swbUwag&fmt=18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnxMGOXY80A

[Kayden]

:rofl:

Naaaaa-nununnnnaaaaahhhh

[BlueLobstah]

:rofl:

Naaaaa-nununnnnaaaaahhhh


:rofl: I love that line.

I haven't had a chance to try it out, but can Pyros airblast the baseball back at scouts?

[judyjudyjudy]

I'm not very good(11 points in one life is my record), are there "newbie" servers that I should look for?I always see servers that say "noobs welcome" or whatever. I've found the TF2 community to be pretty noob-friendly in general (more helping you out than yelling at you). But like Kayden said, if you don't like the server, just go to another one. I'm really new to PC FPS, but I've found TF2 to be a good way to get into it.

[Sleepkyng]

for newbs, i think medics are the best - you instantly help out, you get to be in the action and get to know the maps (90% of being good at TF2), and learn how team dynamics work (do not pop your uber cherry early!)

[Kayden]

I hate being a medic on a good server. Everyone goes strait for your ass.
for newbs, i think medics are the best - you instantly help out, you get to be in the action and get to know the maps (90% of being good at TF2), and learn how team dynamics work (do not pop your uber cherry early!)

[Kayden]

I spent some time playing Fortress Forever. I think it's pretty much exactly was TF2 was originally going to be. I don't like it as much as the real thing, but that's probably because it's missing Valves polish. It feels almost exactly like TFC with updated textures and a few tweaks. Best of all, IT HAS GRENADES!

[Sporadic]

How hard is it to get into this game? I have been debating picking it up for awhile but am really intimidated. I like a lot of FPSers and do pretty well sitting around with me and my buddies playing gears or halo but the second I go online I tend to get tossed around pretty badly....so I never play online. Playing a PC FPSer makes it doubly intimidating.

It's pretty simple.

TF2 was my first real FPS that I really played with a keyboard and mouse. I just dived into the deep end and after I got a handle on the controls/learned the maps/player behavor, I would consider myself a good player.

The real key is to find a good server. I started on 2fort2furious, a goon ran server, that not only has a ton of great players but is kind of not that serious and runs a ton of custom maps. Now I play on a normal basic server that is almost always full at night.

[Trollsmeesh]

So guys do we have a bunch of CAGs that play togeather? Any kinda 'clan' or server we play on? Just would hate to jump in and be alone. :X



Considering buying it for 10bucks, wana see if I have people to play with first though.

[shinryuu]

So guys do we have a bunch of CAGs that play togeather? Any kinda 'clan' or server we play on? Just would hate to jump in and be alone. :X



Considering buying it for 10bucks, wana see if I have people to play with first though.

You really don't need to be with people to fully enjoy the game. At worst, you can join a clan server, talk on the mic and get to know people. Once you are considered a regular, it's fine. Very easy to meet and talk with people.

There's a few CAGs that have played in the same server, but I don't think anyone has actually organized an actual CAG gamenight or anything. It may be an issue with regional servers, and not actually having a server of our own, but feel free to join that CAG Steam group and invite people to whatever server you're playing in.

[DukeEdwardI]

So guys do we have a bunch of CAGs that play togeather? Any kinda 'clan' or server we play on? Just would hate to jump in and be alone. :X



Considering buying it for 10bucks, wana see if I have people to play with first though.

yes, i would like to know this as well. i think it'd be a lot of fun to have a CAG TF2 night or something. i'm tired of playing with a bunch of randoms. it'd be nice to be able to play with a lot of people regularly so i could get the hang of how people play.

[darthbudge]

Well, I just unlocked the FaN and it is pretty fun.

Definitely gonna take getting used to though, not sure if I will keep it or not.

[Trollsmeesh]

It'd be really easy to get a server and 'clan'. Figure out the price and have CAGs donate. Maybe this should be somthing we think about? :)

[darthbudge]

It'd be really easy to get a server and 'clan'. Figure out the price and have CAGs donate. Maybe this should be somthing we think about? :)

Actually, we had this before. Back when TF2 launched. I was the leader of it, however that failed miserably and I don't like to talk about it much. :lol:

[Trollsmeesh]

Actually, we had this before. Back when TF2 launched. I was the leader of it, however that failed miserably and I don't like to talk about it much. :lol:

Why'd it fail?

(Obviously ignore the latter part of your comment.)

[darthbudge]

Why'd it fail?

(Obviously ignore the latter part of your comment.)

Well, basically, my internet was total shit and it made it extremely hard for me to play at the time. Because of this, I just lost interest in playing the game. Others did step-up and try to lead it, however they were busy and things just didn't go well.

We actually pitched in and purchased a server for a month, but it was tough to get it set-up correctly, and we had a hard time getting people on it.

If another person wanted to try this, that is cool and I would try and play regularly, but I am certainly not going to lead anything.

[Trollsmeesh]

Well, basically, my internet was total shit and it made it extremely hard for me to play at the time. Because of this, I just lost interest in playing the game. Others did step-up and try to lead it, however they were busy and things just didn't go well.

We actually pitched in and purchased a server for a month, but it was tough to get it set-up correctly, and we had a hard time getting people on it.

If another person wanted to try this, that is cool and I would try and play regularly, but I am certainly not going to lead anything.

I wouldn't have a problem helping lead somthing like this, I just need to know who the players are. :) Also, things like how much servers are and how much a TS/Vent server would cost.


A few things, and then I think we'd be good to go.

[Kayden]

I'm already running a L4D dedicated server, if you guys want to donate to my costs, I'll run a TF2 server too. =D

There's no need for a Vent server because voice is built into TF2 now.

[Trollsmeesh]

I'm already running a L4D dedicated server, if you guys want to donate to my costs, I'll run a TF2 server too. =D

There's no need for a Vent server because voice is built into TF2 now.

That sounds like a decent idea as long as it will hold enough players to make this fun. :)


With that being said, how would admin controls work?




Maybe this is getitng to much for the thread. If either of you wants to talk about it, feel free to message me.

Aim:Trollsmeesh
Yahoo:Trollsmeesh
MSN:Trollsmeesh@gmail.com

[Nohbdy]

I hate being a medic on a good server. Everyone goes strait for your ass.

You need to stay significantly back as a first measure. You also need to TURN AROUND. The Medigun beam doesn't turn off when you look away. Lastly, if you're going to be in a particular area for a little bit, it's especially important to watch for spies. You can get pretty good with the Ubersaw versus Spies.

[darthbudge]

I'm already running a L4D dedicated server, if you guys want to donate to my costs, I'll run a TF2 server too. =D

There's no need for a Vent server because voice is built into TF2 now.

I'd donate.

[Sleepkyng]

budgie, what happened today - ping too high?

it's a fun server, but it's in the UK so maybe that's it.

[darthbudge]

budgie, what happened today - ping too high?

it's a fun server, but it's in the UK so maybe that's it.

Yeah, my ping was too high.

My internet has kinda been slow today, so I didn't even bother rejoining.

I did unlock the sandman today though. It is alright, I think I would prefer to have my double jump though...

[Kayden]

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/7192/heavyeg1.jpg

[Sleepkyng]

Yeah, my ping was too high.

My internet has kinda been slow today, so I didn't even bother rejoining.

I did unlock the sandman today though. It is alright, I think I would prefer to have my double jump though...

the new spy update has completely changed the way that class is played.

i like it, but i miss being a ninja spy :D

[darthbudge]

What did they change about the spy?

[crystalklear64]

Ability to equip non-primary weapons as your disguise and a massive change to backstabs. The backstab animation only plays while you're on the ground from behind and plays out almost instantly. This means you cannot stair-stab or leap off things to get back stabs.

[judyjudyjudy]

Hmmm, I wonder if the latest blog post applies to anybody here.
http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2293

[Kayden]

Noobs: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=639355

[BlueLobstah]

I think the punishment should've been one month. It was kind of annoying to log on and find 8 scouts running around trying to bonk you.

[darthbudge]

Hmmm, I wonder if the latest blog post applies to anybody here.
http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2293

HA HA!

I knew those guys were gonna get it.

[Kayden]

:rofl: I knew something like that would happen.

Hmmm, I wonder if the latest blog post applies to anybody here.
http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2293

[Sporadic]

Hmmm, I wonder if the latest blog post applies to anybody here.
http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2293

Nope, all my achievements are still there and all my weapons are still unlocked.

Suck my balls Valve 8-) maybe you should stop linking new weapons to achievements.

[Serik]

ahahaha I love the TF2 blog

Hiring the two Old Man Murray guys was one of Valve's best moves. I credit them for the TF2 humor :D

[Trollsmeesh]

Kayden, I am up for talking about the server anytime you want to get on aim. ;D

[Nohbdy]

There were other Spy buffs. Reportedly you could see enemy health and other cloaked spies.

[shinryuu]

I don't think now is a great time to play spy with the opposing team having 3+ scouts than usual. I keep bumping into them, which is no fun. I do like the option you have of equipping whatever weapon you want, but it kinda keeps me distracted from what I'm supposed to do. Meh.

[SilentSinr]

Whoa didn't know the patch came out, downloading now ^__^
might play pyro for awhile still though because something tells me that there are going to be a crazy amount of scouts running around lol

[darthbudge]

You know, yesterday I played a match on 2fort that was probably a 10 v 10 scout only match. It was the most awesome round of 2fort ever.

[Kayden]

Gmail chat is about your best bet on that front. I don't use any IM clients.

Kayden, I am up for talking about the server anytime you want to get on aim. ;D


Playing last night was fucking horrible. Everyone on my team was a scout except for CK and myself. Our team was a massive joke. We'd pretty much get our heads caved in for 10 minutes trying to cap their points and lose. Then they'd turn around and cap all our shit inside of a minute. Not fun. =\

[Sleepkyng]

There were other Spy buffs. Reportedly you could see enemy health and other cloaked spies.

yeah, seeing enemy health is the best thing about the spy update.

pickin' people off with the revolver = $$

[Admiral Ackbar]

You know, yesterday I played a match on 2fort that was probably a 10 v 10 scout only match. It was the most awesome round of 2fort ever.

Areyou talking about the one we did in the bar room?

I kicked so much ass it wasn't funny.

[eswat]

It was actually pretty fun to grind achievements on an achievement server for this update.

Watching an army of scouts trying to kill a jumping Heavy yelling "Communism will NOT allow you to take my sandvich!" was a great time.

[Mars10]

With all the scouts around i decided to get the last 2 updates for my heavy. I finished getting "don't touch sandvich!" where you have to kill 50 scouts with natasha, and as you can imagine, that did not take very long.

[Trollsmeesh]

Gmail chat is about your best bet on that front. I don't use any IM clients.




Playing last night was fucking horrible. Everyone on my team was a scout except for CK and myself. Our team was a massive joke. We'd pretty much get our heads caved in for 10 minutes trying to cap their points and lose. Then they'd turn around and cap all our shit inside of a minute. Not fun. =\

What's your google talk screen name?

[Kayden]

I emailed you with it.

[Hydro2Oxide]

I've been playing with the FaN, the triple jump is pretty sweet when used right. I made a quick vid showing some good places.

http://www.wegame.com/watch/TF2_Force_a_Nature_Trick_Jumps/

[Trollsmeesh]

I emailed you with it.

I replied. :D

[DukeEdwardI]

I've been playing with the FaN, the triple jump is pretty sweet when used right. I made a quick vid showing some good places.

http://www.wegame.com/watch/TF2_Force_a_Nature_Trick_Jumps/

nice video! as expected, the triple jump could be very useful. i'd watch out for snipers tho. when your flying through the air for a second or two, that's all the time a decent sniper needs to pick you off.

[Kayden]

Pile on the server and let me know:
Kayden.isa-geek.com

[Serik]

The Sandman sucks. Worst thing to happen to TF2.

Playing as heavy is no longer fun or viable. So I probably won't be playing much until the scout numbers return to normal or Valve fixes the stun bullshit.

[crystalklear64]

It sucks when you get tagged, but I like it. Adds another defensive measure and the game is lacking in that department..

[Kayden]

I haven't had so many balls in my face sine the last time I tried meth.

[Serik]

The sudden third-person view is the worst part. It's like being momentarily transported into an MMO.

And there's no reason it should counter ubers. The best uber counter is an active defense that prevents the enemy from building and coordinating ubers in the first place.

Valve will fix it, just like they fixed the stupid +50 HP on the backburner.

[Hydro2Oxide]

I haven't had so many balls in my face sine the last time I tried meth.

I don't even want to... Never mind.

The Sandman sucks. Worst thing to happen to TF2.

Playing as heavy is no longer fun or viable. So I probably won't be playing much until the scout numbers return to normal or Valve fixes the stun bullshit.

Yeah, Sandman turned the scout in to the *One* thing I didn't want it to be.

A spam class :bomb:

[Kayden]

I can't help but notice you fuckers aren't in the server.

[DukeEdwardI]

I can't help but notice you fuckers aren't in the server.

i just joined and favorited your server (named go go gadget server right?), and i'm all by myself. ;(

EDIT: i guess i'm not allowed to be there by myself, i was kicked.

[darthbudge]

Areyou talking about the one we did in the bar room?

I kicked so much ass it wasn't funny.

Yeah, but I was kicking way more ass. 8-)

I can't help but notice you fuckers aren't in the server.

Well, I am not at home right now. Tomorrow I will try and get on.

Plus your website isn't loading for me.

[Kayden]

That's because it's not a website, it's the game server. Websites are for douchebags.
Yeah, but I was kicking way more ass. 8-)



Well, I am not at home right now. Tomorrow I will try and get on.

Plus your website isn't loading for me.

[darthbudge]

That's because it's not a website, it's the game server. Websites are for douchebags.

D'oh!

I have only ever seen them in IP address format. Well still, I will get on tomorrow.

[macontosh2000]

I am new to PC gaming and i have an older computer so i need help updating.

I keep getting an error message when i try to launch TF2 that says

"Unsuported Video Card

Your video hardware does not meet the minimum requirements that we have set for the game. If you choose to continue and run the game anyway, you could have problems with stability or performance in the game."

When i click the "continue anyway" button the game loads and i get the Valve and Source screens. Then i get to the loading screen with The Medic, Spy and Heavy. It stays on that screen for a while then my computer either restarts or I get a error message that says

"Your graphics hardware must support at least pixel shader 1.1 to run this game"

Is there anything i can do?

[Nelo Ice]

so many scouts :booty:

[Nohbdy]

I would rather the Sandman push back ubers like an Airblast, with differing strengths of push depending on the distance. You'd think anything invincible in a video game would at least be able to get pushed back, not stunned in place (unless it was a MASSIVE hit, but this is just a baseball).

[Oktoberfest]

I am new to PC gaming and i have an older computer so i need help updating.

I keep getting an error message when i try to launch TF2 that says

"Unsuported Video Card

Your video hardware does not meet the minimum requirements that we have set for the game. If you choose to continue and run the game anyway, you could have problems with stability or performance in the game."

When i click the "continue anyway" button the game loads and i get the Valve and Source screens. Then i get to the loading screen with The Medic, Spy and Heavy. It stays on that screen for a while then my computer either restarts or I get a error message that says

"Your graphics hardware must support at least pixel shader 1.1 to run this game"

Is there anything i can do?

you get a better video card.

[BlueScrote]

So I played my first game of Arena ever today. Wow I got raped. Granted, the whole "scouts everywhere" thing kind of changes the aspects of arena.

Also unlocked natascha with the heavy today. I feel like I can 1-2 more kills each round using that instead of sasha. again, maybe its just all the scouts.

[Kaijufan]

you get a better video card.
Yeah that's most likely your only option. If you have a PCI Express slot Newegg has 9600 GSOs for $70-100. I only have an 8800 GTS and my machine runs TF2 perfectly, so you should have no trouble at all running TF2 with a 9600.

[shinryuu]

You could put -gl in your launch settings. I have no idea what I'm talking about, but I'm sure someone could elaborate on what OpenGL does and if I'm making any sense.

[darthbudge]

I am new to PC gaming and i have an older computer so i need help updating.

I keep getting an error message when i try to launch TF2 that says

"Unsuported Video Card

Your video hardware does not meet the minimum requirements that we have set for the game. If you choose to continue and run the game anyway, you could have problems with stability or performance in the game."

When i click the "continue anyway" button the game loads and i get the Valve and Source screens. Then i get to the loading screen with The Medic, Spy and Heavy. It stays on that screen for a while then my computer either restarts or I get a error message that says

"Your graphics hardware must support at least pixel shader 1.1 to run this game"

Is there anything i can do?

Dude... your card is at LEAST 8 years old then. Which probably means all the other parts are that old too. You just need a computer.

[mtxbass1]

Can anyone help me figure out what is going on with my custom sprays?

I made a new spray out of a jpg. Have the .vmt and .vtf in both materials\VGUI and materials\VGUI\logos. Go in game, go to options, import the sprays. They show up there fine.

Go play either a server I make myself, or join one, hit t, and see nothing.

Ideas?

Edit: Sprays are not disabled on my local server.

[Hydro2Oxide]

Can anyone help me figure out what is going on with my custom sprays?

I made a new spray out of a jpg. Have the .vmt and .vtf in both materials\VGUI and materials\VGUI\logos. Go in game, go to options, import the sprays. They show up there fine.

Go play either a server I make myself, or join one, hit t, and see nothing.

Ideas?

Edit: Sprays are not disabled on my local server.
If you've got CS:S or DOD:S, load up the spray in there and then find the file it got turned in to. For some reason TF2 hates sprays.

Or you could go to FPSBanana.com and get a spray there.

[Kayden]

http://bighugelabs.com/flickr/output/motivator7893127.jpg

[darthbudge]

Stop taunting me Kayden. :[

You know why I am not on there.

[Trollsmeesh]

xD Kayden, you're my hero sometimes. :P

[mtxbass1]

I got it. Apparently the spray is too big. I made a smaller one that works fine.

[Kaijufan]

Maybe we should set up a time to have a CAG game on your server Kayden.

[Kayden]

Well, no one likes playing on an empty server. I have a feeling if we can just get a sizable population on it, it'll become self sustaining.

Maybe we should set up a time to have a CAG game on your server Kayden.

[shinryuu]

Lez do its.

[Tsukento]

Playing empty servers has its benefits; easy achievements. :D

Speaking of, Scout's are a bit of a pain in the ass. Especially when a good chunk of them require the unlockables (I need achievements to get the unlockables...but a lot of the achievements require the unlockable items...quite the conundrum). Medic's is just insane on some parts.

[Hydro2Oxide]

Kay, you need to get a group of people, like 6 or so to be willing to jumpstart the server. I know this one server that has a mod for admins that the first admin to join a server and get the population above 7 gets some sort of bonus, don't know exactly how it works. Maybe you should do something like that.

Or we could have CAG TF2 Game night on your server.

[Kayden]

It's there, it's open. You're welcome to organize something.


Kay, you need to get a group of people, like 6 or so to be willing to jumpstart the server. I know this one server that has a mod for admins that the first admin to join a server and get the population above 7 gets some sort of bonus, don't know exactly how it works. Maybe you should do something like that.

Or we could have CAG TF2 Game night on your server.

[Nohbdy]

I'm willing to have another favorite server in my list.

You guys heard of Studio Rumble West? People from PopCap, Blizzard, THQ, and Bioware play on it. Valve was there for a dev tourney once.

[crystalklear64]

I just play on the clanwoof servers because they don't have a ping limit so I'm not constantly being kicked from games.

Make no ping limit on your server K-$ and I'll play on it.

[judyjudyjudy]

You guys heard of Studio Rumble West? People from PopCap, Blizzard, THQ, and Bioware play on it. Valve was there for a dev tourney once.That's the server my husband (and now I also) always play on, actually. People on there are pretty nice, and if the regulars are on, it's usually very team-oriented. They're also good about kicking people who are annoying or lag too much.

[Nohbdy]

Yup. I gotta talk to Brambles to fit in as a regular tho.

[sosodead]

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/948/tf2r.th.jpg (http://img12.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tf2r.jpg)

Haven't really played in a few weeks. I hear the scout udate and the demoman nerf came out. I main with demoman and have had many spiritual experiences using him and pwning anybody and anything that moves or shoots.

[Hydro2Oxide]

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/948/tf2r.th.jpg (http://img12.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tf2r.jpg)

Haven't really played in a few weeks. I hear the scout udate and the demoman nerf came out. I main with demoman and have had many spiritual experiences using him and pwning anybody and anything that moves or shoots.

Nerf was just his stickies can be shot and destroyed which is pretty fair IMO

50% off is down, what a shame.

[Sporadic]

Jeez, I just got 108 teleports on Stage 2 of Dustbowl.

Insanity.

[shinryuu]

These scout achievements take awhile if you try earning them the way they wanted you to earn them...

[BlueScrote]

These scout achievements take awhile if you try earning them the way they wanted you to earn them...


This is why I really wish they just unlocked them with a patch. I mean nearly everyone who wants the weapons (and who wouldn't) goes about it in a manner valve does not intend (be it achievement servers or other means). You'd think they'd have realized this after releasing the packs for medic, heavy, pyro.

[BlueLobstah]

This is why I really wish they just unlocked them with a patch. I mean nearly everyone who wants the weapons (and who wouldn't) goes about it in a manner valve does not intend (be it achievement servers or other means). You'd think they'd have realized this after releasing the packs for medic, heavy, pyro.


Pyro and Heavy are actually fairly balanced in terms of achieving through normal play. Medic and Scout are quite difficult to achieve through normal play due to some of the achievements being outside of what the class would normally do (i.e. Uber a scout - kill 3 people). Too many of the scout achievements actually require the unlocked weapons.

[shinryuu]

Thing is, when you play Medic it actually helps the team. When you play Scout, you probably won't be doing as good as you would with a different class. That might just be only me, but still.

All I want to say is these achievements will take awhile for me, just like how the Heavy achievements are hard for me. =p

[Hydro2Oxide]

Pyro and Heavy are actually fairly balanced in terms of achieving through normal play. Medic and Scout are quite difficult to achieve through normal play due to some of the achievements being outside of what the class would normally do (i.e. Uber a scout - kill 3 people). Too many of the scout achievements actually require the unlocked weapons.

I think it was very well made in that they are fun and fit scoot behavior.

Kill a fully charged medic
Kill from behind
Capture points (At least 5 achievements for these)
Kill lots of guys
Double Jump

See what I mean?

[BlueScrote]

What servers do you guys frequent? I've tried to follow the last couple of pages of the thread in regard to servers, but haven't had much luck.

[Kayden]

Bitches best be getting on my server soon...

[crystalklear64]

ClanWoof Rotation and 24/7 Dustbowl are the only two servers I play on.

Possibly Kayden's in the future.

[BlueScrote]

Bitches best be getting on my server soon...


I tried joining your server and I got an error saying that:

server is using an older protocol (14) than your client.

[crystalklear64]

I tried joining your server and I got an error saying that:

server is using an older protocol (14) than your client.

yup same here. got a new friend playing and we were gonna show him the ropes in an empty server so i was like hey we'll use kaydens. no dice.

[Kayden]

Hmm... must be an update, lemme reboot.

[Kayden]

Mmmk, try again.

[BlueScrote]

Mmmk, try again.


Alright I got on there now. Any ideas for at least a one-shot CAG night on Kayden's server?

[Kayden]

Anyone going to get on? I'm on now

[Kayden]

Fucking annoying.

At game start, you can't move for 5 minutes. You can shoot your feet and jump, but you can't move.
Game also gets stuck at Waiting for players.

Since Valve has zero support or instructions, I'm going to say fuck it unless one of you wants to look into it. I don't have the patience for this half assed shit.

[DukeEdwardI]

so are all the TF2 servers still overpopulated with scouts?

[Kayden]

Yes. God yes.

[eswat]

A team of all scouts on Red in Dustbowl = unmovable defense. :roll:

Oh well, easier to get my kill/damage count as Pyro up.

[crystalklear64]

I've been having fun on challenge map and mic spam/surf servers.

Hoping scouts will go away eventually and I can go back to normal gaming, but its a fun change of pace anyway.

[DukeEdwardI]

i suppose if i want those achievements that involve killing scouts, nows the time! it's just so damn annoying...

[lanleague]

I farmed Heavy achievements.

I feel so dirty.

[Hydro2Oxide]

I farmed Heavy achievements.

I feel so dirty.

I farmed medic and half of pyros. But Heavy? They're so easy :bomb:

Oh well, don't sweat it.

EDIT: Actually in reflection, looks like I farmed heavies too :(

[crystalklear64]

I got all my achievements legit which makes me SO much better than you guys!

[DukeEdwardI]

new blog post! they found a way to deal with severs displaying false player counts. it seems pretty fool proof but somebody on the steam forums pointed out that if enough players hated a certain server, they could just bomb it. time will tell.

http://www.teamfortress.com/

[crystalklear64]

They need a way to be able to list the server's settings, like what their ping limit is. I hate joining a server, dominating it, and then get that lag spike and bam, kicked.

[Hydro2Oxide]

They need a way to be able to list the server's settings, like what their ping limit is. I hate joining a server, dominating it, and then get that lag spike and bam, kicked.

It's not easy for them to detect things like that because that's a sourcemod. I do agree though, they ought to add an option to "See all mods" when you right click a server, effected gravity, hlstatsx, etc.

[Nohbdy]

Game updated today. Sandman gets much-needed nerf. Now only inflicts half the damage it used to and the minimum distance to actually stun the player has increased.

[crystalklear64]

now this I like

stunning in a team scenario is still effective even with half damage, and now its much more difficult to be insta-killed from a stun.

[Hydro2Oxide]

I think it's still too powerful, the stun time to distance ratio is nuts. I got hit (On 2Fort) from the middle of my battlements (The mini-house in the middle) to the doorway to getting out to the battlements and had a ~3-4 second stun. It really needs to be 3-4 from battlement to battlement or something.

[Nohbdy]

I always thought that stunning an ubercharge was deathly wrong. The Sandman should push back ubers like a flamethrower airblast.

[Hydro2Oxide]

Hey, I just noticed Kayden got banned. What happened D: (Sorry for seriously OT)

[darthbudge]

Hey, I just noticed Kayden got banned. What happened D: (Sorry for seriously OT)

He has had a long history getting banned for posting dumbass NSFW .gifs and being a douchebag. I guess that it finally caught up with him.

[shinryuu]

I think Egypt needs some tweaks. Stage 1, a good offense can get pass this if Red decides to stack on engys/have little-to-no medics. Maybe, 1/6 times a team gets pass this stage. Stage 2 is almost impossible if you build on that arch near the second point. 1/10 times a team gets pass this stage. Then the third stage somehow is the easiest out of all of them. wtfbutter.

Junction just gets boring after the first time you play it.

[NTolerance]

Multi-core support has officially been released:

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/57728

To turn it on, go to the Options->Video->Advanced dialog, and check the "Multicore Rendering" option

In the past this was available only as a console command and it greatly increased performance for a lot of people but also added a lot of instability. I hope this official release makes it completely usable. Should notice a big FPS bump during firefights.

[Hydro2Oxide]

Multi-core support has officially been released

"Good news everyone!" Glad they finally got it in.

[mtxbass1]

*awaits the freezes that came with L4D when they added multi-core support*

[NTolerance]

*awaits the freezes that came with L4D when they added multi-core support*

Didn't the game ship with multi-core support?

[DukeEdwardI]

i read that is was for testing purposes only or something and people have been reporting some crashes. That's to be expected i guess.

[Kaijufan]

I'm not going to even bother with multicore, in Left 4 Dead I had to turn it off because the game would freeze for 2-3 seconds every minute or so with multicore on but ran just fine with it off.

[shinryuu]

I don't notice any difference with it enabled. Frame rate with a zoomed sniper still dips for me. When I play sniper on my brother's computer, it's soooo easy. On this computer, if there's a pyro using his flamethrower or medic healing, my fps lowers... haha.

[mtxbass1]

Didn't the game ship with multi-core support?

Broken, freeze-laden, "beta" multi-core support.

[Hydro2Oxide]

When I run multicore my game skips a hell of a lot. It's fluid without. Guess it's a bust so far.

[SOSTrooper]

I selected multi-core support and my game runs fine, although I didn't see any real difference.

[eswat]

When I run multicore my game skips a hell of a lot. It's fluid without. Guess it's a bust so far.Same. I thought my mouse was screwing with me at first.

Oh well. TF2 already runs damn fine as it is for me.

[hero101]

I better test mult-core support on my PC otherwise I will lost in this topic loop.

[Kaijufan]

Valve announced yesterday (http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2394) that the next class to get an update will be the sniper, and that the sniper update will be the biggest one yet. Before that we'll be getting an update before the sniper update that includes content for all classes.

For those who missed it Valve also had a great April Fools joke: the Jarate. (http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2391)

[Nohbdy]

Avoid this server: 216.6.236.150:27015

It's a West-coast Seattle server that advertises 24/7 Payload rotation and false playercounts. It does not respond to player queries.

Why are these servers still showing up after the server-scoring patch?

[Hydro2Oxide]

Avoid this server: 216.6.236.150:27015

It's a West-coast Seattle server that advertises 24/7 Payload rotation and false playercounts. It does not respond to player queries.

Why are these servers still showing up after the server-scoring patch?

HEY! You're that guy on the Steampowered forums!

They haven't implemented the scoring and removing system yet.

Anyhow, thought I'd let you guys know I made a google Chrome TF2 theme :bouncy:
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=834845

[DukeEdwardI]

woooo, sniper is next class update. this update is going to include a bunch of new maps and gameplay tweaks. they're also planning to release an update before the sniper update that will include content for all classes. also those videos at the end are really cool.

http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2394

EDIT: oh crap, i totally didn't see the other post that already said this. whoops!

[The_Z]

hope they don't bring garbage weapons like for scout or make sniper too strong/weak

[crystalklear64]

yea yea!

finally a class i like playing. tied with spy for teh fav.

don't fuck it up!

[hero101]

I think the sniper just needs an ability to tilt his head from behind the walls. They might give him a crotch shot ability where the other person losses his balls.

[DukeEdwardI]

I think the sniper just needs an ability to tilt his head from behind the walls. They might give him a crotch shot ability where the other person losses his balls.

or he swaps the headshot damage for crotch shots. CRITICAL HIT!

[crystalklear64]

I want a gun that never has to charge for crits.

Penalty being either, if you miss, you lose either all or a large portion of your life.

Or, its like an experimental sniper rifle, unstable etc., if you get shot while zoomed in (by anything, pistol included), it blows up in your face and kills you.

Another idea that would be awesome imo, is the ability to take a much stronger version of his secondary weapon (assault rifle or something) and in return you cannot snipe. The sniper's machine gun has always been my favorite weapon, but its just so damn weak.

[DukeEdwardI]

yeah, the stronger secondary weapon sounds good. but in return, you can't get crits (body shots) with the rifle. obviously head shots would still be a crit. but that would depend on what his main unlockable would be, hmmm.......

[The_Z]

Crystal: that would be a terrible idea. It will make snipers play like awpers in CS. Which is fine, except the game has heavy emphasize on teamwork. Snipers in TF2 should stay support. They were broken as fuck back when they could quickscope. A decent sniper could even take out a team of scouts closerange.

[darthbudge]

I think the sniper should get a jetpack and have the ability to call in a pack of Velociraptors! Then the new melee weapon can be a dead baby seal you club people with!

[Nohbdy]

Game updated today. Reset Stats feature now implemented.

New features were added: a "Backpack" at the Loadout menu and "Headwear" for each class. Notably the Backpack has 50 slots for items (all the unlocks) and a delete feature where you can remove an unlock and never acquire it again.

The entire TF2 Steam forums are in an uproar with retards lambasting Valve WITHOUT HAVING ANY CONTENT TO REVIEW FIRST. Wow.

[Serik]

Meh, not really a fan of the snare spells (sandman) and other MMO-like jackassery. My play time has decreased dramatically since the Scout update; it was such a turnoff for me.

[judyjudyjudy]

Game updated today. Reset Stats feature now implemented.My husband should like this. He considers the 6 million+ heal points he got from farming for medic items his badge of shame.

[Kaijufan]

New features were added: a "Backpack" at the Loadout menu and "Headwear" for each class. Notably the Backpack has 50 slots for items (all the unlocks) and a delete feature where you can remove an unlock and never acquire it again.

Why would anyone want to permanently delete an unlock?

[Hydro2Oxide]

Why would anyone want to permanently delete an unlock?

Quite possible there will be an inventory limit once the hats hit, not to mention the blog posts "Things for every class" note.

[Kaijufan]

Quite possible there will be an inventory limit once the hats hit, not to mention the blog posts "Things for every class" note.
Oh yeah now I remember people finding code that talked about random item drops, I suppose that's what the delete feature could be for eventually. It's still stupid the would let you delete the Valve unlocks.

[DukeEdwardI]

just an FYI about the reset stats button...it resets ALL stats for ALL classes. according to what i was reading over at the steam forums anyway. god i hate that board.

[Hydro2Oxide]

just an FYI about the reset stats button...it resets ALL stats for ALL classes. according to what i was reading over at the steam forums anyway. god i hate that board.

You hate it because it gave you useful information...? :roll:

It resets your time played so the stat reset is a no-go for me.

[Kaijufan]

You hate it because it gave you useful information...? :roll:

I have to agree with him, it's pretty similar to Gamefaqs, at least on the most visited message boards like the TF2 board. The boards for less popular games aren't quite as bad, but you'll occasionally see stupidity of smaller boards.

[lanleague]

Game updated today. Reset Stats feature now implemented.

New features were added: a "Backpack" at the Loadout menu and "Headwear" for each class. Notably the Backpack has 50 slots for items (all the unlocks) and a delete feature where you can remove an unlock and never acquire it again.

The entire TF2 Steam forums are in an uproar with retards lambasting Valve WITHOUT HAVING ANY CONTENT TO REVIEW FIRST. Wow.

Yes! Finally the shame of my achievement farming is washed away.

[Salamando3000]

Game updated today. Reset Stats feature now implemented.

New features were added: a "Backpack" at the Loadout menu and "Headwear" for each class. Notably the Backpack has 50 slots for items (all the unlocks) and a delete feature where you can remove an unlock and never acquire it again.

The entire TF2 Steam forums are in an uproar with retards lambasting Valve WITHOUT HAVING ANY CONTENT TO REVIEW FIRST. Wow.

Wait, headwear? Is there actually anything concrete regarding this, such as pics or stats (if there are stats), or is it all just framework/inventory stuff?

[Nohbdy]

Why don't you check your loadout screen?

[Brak]

I think the sniper should get a jetpack and have the ability to call in a pack of Velociraptors! Then the new melee weapon can be a dead baby seal you club people with!
Yessssssssssssss.

[Nohbdy]

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=844720

Lots of variables found. And the Demoman gets an Afro.

[DukeEdwardI]

You hate it because it gave you useful information...? :roll:

i hate it because there is non-stop bitching and stupidity. i only go there to gather some info every now and then on the updates.

[eswat]

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=844720

Lots of variables found. And the Demoman gets an Afro.So... they're turning TF2 into Deus Ex?

[Hydro2Oxide]

i hate it because there is non-stop bitching and stupidity. i only go there to gather some info every now and then on the updates.
No, I got that. It's simply that you tacked it on to a good thread that I found weird.
So... they're turning TF2 into Deus Ex?
Well, competitive play will remain the same if it's stupid and pubs will still be all the zanier, I'm liking this.

[DukeEdwardI]

No, I got that. It's simply that you tacked it on to a good thread that I found weird.

Well, competitive play will remain the same if it's stupid and pubs will still be all the zanier, I'm liking this.

Haha, i totally didn't think of that until now. "Here's a helpful thread. GOD THAT PLACE SUCKS!" does seem really strange.

I'm looking forward to this new style as well. It'll be fun to try a loadout and see what works and what doesn't depending on the situation.

[Mr. Anderson]

Finally got my PC version of Orange Box, add me on Steam (SammyFez) or Xfire if you want to play!

[crystalklear64]

"LoadoutSlot_Grenade" "Grenade"


yes.

[DukeEdwardI]

"LoadoutSlot_Grenade" "Grenade"


yes.

Oh God no. If this turns into a grenade spam fest like TFC was, then i'm done. They better only be able to hold like 2 or something.

[Hydro2Oxide]

Oh God no. If this turns into a grenade spam fest like TFC was, then i'm done. They better only be able to hold like 2 or something.

Not even 2. Grenades are the bane of FPS. Look at the smoke grenades in Gears or nade launchers and nade spamming in CoD4? They ruin games.

[DukeEdwardI]

Not even 2. Grenades are the bane of FPS. Look at the smoke grenades in Gears or nade launchers and nade spamming in CoD4? They ruin games.

/agree. Well, maybe they'll get to use 1 every couple minutes or something. But i REALLY hope that it doesn't turn into a grenade spam fest.

[Kaijufan]

If you watch some of the early TF2 videos you'll see the game did originally have grenades but they took them out. In the early videos the demoman had a grenade that was several sticks of dynamite tied together.

I'm not sure how I feel about adding grenades in TF2. I like the (relative) lack of grenade spam in TF2 since only one class can do it, though I have faith that if Valve did implement grenades they would do it in a way to prevent constant grenade spam.

[Serik]

Valve's already done a 180 when it comes to not revoking control from the player (Sandman) and making sure all weapons are easily visible from a distance (poor unlock models).

[Kaijufan]

Valve's already done a 180 when it comes to not revoking control from the player (Sandman) and making sure all weapons are easily visible from a distance (poor unlock models).

While many of the unlockable weapons do look the same as their counterparts, for the most part the differences between the two weapons aren't huge, they just modify the base weapon in some way. The new stuff like the flair gun is still easily identifiable from a distance.

The Sandman was definitely included as a counter to ubers. I don't really mind it, now that the scout update has been out for awhile I rarely ever get bonked. It was really bad at first but now it seems to have really leveled out to reasonable levels, at least on the servers I play on.

[Hydro2Oxide]

While many of the unlockable weapons do look the same as their counterparts, for the most part the differences between the two weapons aren't huge, they just modify the base weapon in some way. The new stuff like the flair gun is still easily identifiable from a distance.

BOOM! SHAMELESS PLUG OF A THREAD I MADE! (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=806709&highlight=Natasha+backburner+distinction)

The Sandman was definitely included as a counter to ubers. I don't really mind it, now that the scout update has been out for awhile I rarely ever get bonked. It was really bad at first but now it seems to have really leveled out to reasonable levels, at least on the servers I play on.

Yeah, but even after say 3 weeks of going unbonked just makes the first time it happens after a while that much more annoying.

[Kaijufan]

Yeah I have to agree that your descriptions of changing the weapons seems like a good idea.

Robin Walker did an interview recently, it seems like the hats are purely cosmetic right now and the backpack is pretty much just so you can pick up the class update weapons without having to unlock achievements, which is great because I hate having to unlock the achievements to get the weapons:


Shack: Will the backpack/head items be part of a separate game mode, or is this going to be patched into TF2 proper?
Robin Walker: It'll be in TF2 proper. The primary change here is simply the decoupling of achievements and unlockables, which is the source of most of the negative feedback we've received around previous class packs. The head-slot items are all cosmetic at this point, so they haven't resulted in any significant balance issues in any of our existing game modes.http://www.shacknews.com/featuredarticle.x?id=1124

[TheRock88]

Hey guys, just wondering but do any of you guys happen to run a dedicated server that I can borrow for about an hour or so? I have to make a machinima project for my film class and I'm having a tough time finding a server that has VAC disabled. The reason I need a disabled VAC server is because I need to film it without the hud on but Valve classified that as a cheat a while ago. If anyone could help, I'd really appreciate it.

[Hydro2Oxide]

I feel like a jerk constantly linking to threads I make at the steampowereds but I think I occasionally make some cool stuff and here's another thing I deem worthy.

Train scoreboard and dominations? (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=854452)

[Nohbdy]

Someone recommended that months ago.

Also, it wouldn't be funny to have the train "talk". It'd be more amusing to have different melodies for the whistles (La Cucaracha, TF2 songs, etc.).

[Hydro2Oxide]

Someone recommended that months ago.

Also, it wouldn't be funny to have the train "talk". It'd be more amusing to have different melodies for the whistles (La Cucaracha, TF2 songs, etc.).

The talk bit was purely a joke, as I say later in the thread I think there should be domination whistles and/or crushing noises.

[Kaijufan]

They should just put a small scoreboard by the train tracks with the number of kills the train has gotten that level. Sort of like the scoreboard for the ghosts on the Pacman level.

[Kaijufan]

The TF2 blog (http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2477) was updated today, the Sniper's unlockable weapon will be a weapon that has a shorter ranger then the default sniper rifle and will require the sniper to get closer to other players.

[Hydro2Oxide]

I foresee good things coming of this.

[Kaijufan]

Since I'm primarily a heavy player anything to get the sniper closer to me is a good thing.

[DukeEdwardI]

Well hopefully that doesn't screw over the sniper TOO much. Sure, a good sniper can be super frustrating, but I don't want an unlockable that's going to require me to get within range of a Heavy or Pyro. I can see many snipers sticking to the rifle.

But this is just speculating. Maybe it won't be that bad. Time will tell.

[Kaijufan]

Well hopefully that doesn't screw over the sniper TOO much. Sure, a good sniper can be super frustrating, but I don't want an unlockable that's going to require me to get within range of a Heavy or Pyro. I can see many snipers sticking to the rifle.

But this is just speculating. Maybe it won't be that bad. Time will tell.
My guess is the new rifle will be something like the videogame version of the M1 Garand, a semi auto rifle that doesn't have a scope but lets you have something like a 2x zoom down the sights.

[Hydro2Oxide]

My guess is the new rifle will be something like the videogame version of the M1 Garand, a semi auto rifle that doesn't have a scope but lets you have something like a 2x zoom down the sights.

My money is on a crossbow.

[DukeEdwardI]

My money is on a crossbow.

A crossbow would be SWEET. Maybe that would allow corpses to be pinned to walls. It'd probably have to do less damage than the rifle or have a long reload time though to make it balanced.

[carpwrist]

I'm hoping for a Boomerang. As an Aussie, he should have some kind of kickass Aborigine weapon.

[Hydro2Oxide]

I'm hoping for a Boomerang. As an Aussie, he should have some kind of kickass Aborigine weapon.

All about the digoridoo brah

A crossbow would be SWEET. Maybe that would allow corpses to be pinned to walls. It'd probably have to do less damage than the rifle or have a long reload time though to make it balanced.

I figured it'd be a projectile like the crossbow in HL2, do ~100 damage with no charge or headshots. Harder to land a hit but more combat close to mid range oriented.

[Hydro2Oxide]

Rule #43 of the internet

If it exists, there will be porn of it (In this case erotic fiction)

WARNING: All things text based nasty and disgusting lie beyond this link. Click and read at your own risk.
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=857905

[crystalklear64]

keep that shit to the clusterfuck that is the steam forums

[Hydro2Oxide]

keep that shit to the clusterfuck that is the steam forums

I'm sorry, it was just too outrageous NOT to post.

[Jaanus147]

The Sniper Update first unlockable is revealed -http://www.teamfortress.com/sniperupdate/

[judyjudyjudy]

My money is on a crossbow.
A crossbow would be SWEET. Maybe that would allow corpses to be pinned to walls. It'd probably have to do less damage than the rifle or have a long reload time though to make it balanced.Good call. I'm surprised they went even more primitive than crossbow.

I'm still hoping for a boomerang as well.

[KingBroly]

Damnit, Valve. Stop making me want to build a gaming PC so I can actually play TF2 on PC!

[Kaijufan]

Good call on the Crossbow Hydro2Oxide. You were really close.

Hopefully we'll get the duel payload game type in this update (and some more official maps with the forest setting).

[Mr. Anderson]

Nice bow~!

[Nohbdy]

I would use this.

[carpwrist]

YUS! i hope the bow has the same effect as the Penetrator in F.E.A.R.

[Hydro2Oxide]

Just a note to anyone who wasn't sure, the weapon has no stun or movement impairing effects. (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=858424)

And I figured it might've been a compund bow but it looks pretty primitive. Then again I don't know if they had fancy bows in the 60's...

EDIT: Oh, they added it to the blog too :P http://teamfortress.com/

[KingBroly]

I'm just throwing this out. I'm guessing the Jar of Pee is a real unlockable.

[Kaijufan]

I'm just throwing this out. I'm guessing the Jar of Pee is a real unlockable.
That would be awesome.

[DukeEdwardI]

Ha! Yes! I KNEW they would let you pin corpses to walls. And the Jar of Pee or a Boomerang sounds feasible (but moreso the boomerang).

I'm still wondering what the secondary is going to be. Maybe a pistol of some kind? Or another rapid-fire weapon? Or some kind of boost like the scout's energy drink or the heavy's sandvich? I guess we'll see later this week!

[Hydro2Oxide]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D1cap6yETA

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/05/12/tf2-sniper-update-adds-touch-of-ted-nugent-available-later-this/

It's going to be an arrow filled achievement grinding weekend.

EDIT: More confirmation http://www.thatvideogameblog.com/2009/05/12/team-fortress-2-sniper-update-this-week/

[darthbudge]

DAMN! I didn't think Valve could get another update out this soon. I hope it is good and not rushed.

Also are they going to have a countdown/reveal site like they have had before?

EDIT: Nevermind, I see the site now.

[Hydro2Oxide]

DAMN! I didn't think Valve could get another update out this soon. I hope it is good and not rushed.

Well for everything the scout update DIDN'T have (Like a promised new game mode) The sniper update is supposed to have. Valve claims it to be the biggest one yet.

[Nohbdy]

Day 2 is now up. New mode!

[Kaijufan]

Hopefully these new arena maps are like Badlands and Well and are based on CP or Payload maps and not just standalone arena maps since I really don't play arena very much.

[Sporadic]

After 150+ hours of playing this game, I think I'm done with this game.

It's getting boring (and I know it's called Team Fortress) but I'm sick of getting steamrolled when placed with a super suck team. Put the best player against a good team and there is no chance. Play demo and destroy the other teams goods? Get raped by spies when your retarded teammates can't spycheck worth a damn. Play engi? Same thing except your entrance tele will get sapped the second you leave it. Play pyro and spycheck? The other team builds up a ton of teles/sentries/dispensers and your team can't move forward or move just enough to get slaughtered.

[carpwrist]

If anyone wants a preview of this try the Balloon Race map, i think it's pl_Balloonrace

[Nohbdy]

After 150+ hours of playing this game, I think I'm done with this game.

It's getting boring (and I know it's called Team Fortress) but I'm sick of getting steamrolled when placed with a super suck team. Put the best player against a good team and there is no chance. Play demo and destroy the other teams goods? Get raped by spies when your retarded teammates can't spycheck worth a damn. Play engi? Same thing except your entrance tele will get sapped the second you leave it. Play pyro and spycheck? The other team builds up a ton of teles/sentries/dispensers and your team can't move forward or move just enough to get slaughtered.

Have you tried sticking to just a FEW servers?

[Hydro2Oxide]

Spor, I suggest playing in gathers. They're like playing competitively without a team. See more on it here: http://www.gotfrag.com/tf2/story/43759/

[eswat]

Sniper gets a Tribal Shield http://www.teamfortress.com/sniperupdate/english.htm

[crystalklear64]

backstab protection. awesome.

[RAMSTORIA]

glad to see another class get an upgrade but i really wish they would roll these out faster.

[Nohbdy]

glad to see another class get an upgrade but i really wish they would roll these out faster.

LET'S GET THOSE 10 TF2 DEVS ON 24/7 DEVELOPMENT

No, seriously, there's only 10 TF2 devs.

[Hydro2Oxide]

LET'S GET THOSE 10 TF2 DEVS ON 24/7 DEVELOPMENT

No, seriously, there's only 10 TF2 devs.

He's right and we're getting free stuff.

I find this to be a fair tradeoff. It only takes 3 or so close range revolvers to kill you anyways and without your precious SMG it'll be hard to kill the spy anyway (Unless you are good at the scopelesses.)

EDIT: Woah, apparently Valve put up a picture of a spy uncloaking for a few minutes before taking it down. Normally I would think someone shooped it but people are saying they saw it.

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=860180 Take what you will from it, here's an interesting theory. (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=860558)

EDIT2: A video, no way that could be shooped. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ma3djsVZpY

EDIT3: More proof: http://s252.photobucket.com/albums/hh6/eikyuu/?action=view&current=Video6.flv

[DukeEdwardI]

I love it! Getting backstabbed is one of the most frustrating deaths in TF2 and i'm more than happy to get a bit of help in preventing that. It'll depend on the server though. I'm not going to give up the machine gun if there aren't any good spies.

[crystalklear64]

do we know its the machine gun you give up for this?

[Hydro2Oxide]

do we know its the machine gun you give up for this?

I'm pretty sure Valve has a thing about always having a melee weapon, lest you be screwed if you ran out of ammo. I think it's safe to assume it's the SMG.

[itachiitachi]

I find this to be a fair tradeoff. It only takes 3 or so close range revolvers to kill you anyways and without your precious SMG it'll be hard to kill the spy anyway (Unless you are good at the scopelesses.)

Well I think its more of a deterrent, you don't know which snipers have the shield and which don't, so attacking a sniper becomes a guessing game.
Unless of course the shield is visible in which case it's the stupidest update ever.

[Kaijufan]

Maybe the tribal shield will be invisible unless selected like other weapons. That seems to be the only way to do it if they want don't want spies to just shoot the snipers who are wearing them.

[Hydro2Oxide]

Well I think its more of a deterrent, you don't know which snipers have the shield and which don't, so attacking a sniper becomes a guessing game.
Unless of course the shield is visible in which case it's the stupidest update ever.

I figure it'll be highly visible in the same sense that a sentry beeps obnoxiously. It's basically saying "Don't do this you retard!" They'll not stab you and you won't get stabbed. However, if you are alone you'll get revolvered. That's why I think the idea behind the shield is to stick with the team or near a sentry.

[Salamando3000]

Day 4 Update - http://www.teamfortress.com/spyupdate/

So, does this mean all the Sniper stuff was just for playing mind games, or are we really getting two updates at once?

[Oktoberfest]

who knows, I am really hoping for the latter, however!

[darthbudge]

Damn! I knew Valve was gonna pull this one sooner or later.

[Hydro2Oxide]

Day 4 Update - http://www.teamfortress.com/spyupdate/

So, does this mean all the Sniper stuff was just for playing mind games, or are we really getting two updates at once?

No way, those must be real. They were balanced and had thought to them. Not to mention the arrow through head screenshot was in game stuff.

[Sporadic]

The cloak and dagger is going to be so overpowered in the hands of a good player, it's going to be ridiculous.

[Kaijufan]

I actually was bored at work today and was reading all the Spy conspiracy theories so I actually laughed out load when I saw what the update was today. Good job Valve. :applause:

The cloak and dagger is going to be so overpowered in the hands of a good player, it's going to be ridiculous.
Maybe when you have the cloak and dagger equipped backstabs aren't instant kills? Or maybe you have to stab people directly in the back to kill them, you can't stab them in the side like with the normal knife?

Since this update is designed like an advertisement it isn't going to list the negatives, since ads never list the problems a product has.

[crystalklear64]

on the last day, turns out the scout was actually a blue spy and they change all the stuff around.
8-)

[N3UROP0D]

According to shacknews (http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/58658) the Sniper AND Spy are getting unlockables. I don't know if that means a full set of gear for each of them, but the sniper stuff was real. Oh and the update will also include headgear, and is apparently out May 21 (next thursday).

Man I love TF2.

[DukeEdwardI]

Ah they got me. I didn't buy into all that hooplah about the spy update (although i did find it interesting), and they sure showed me! All I know is that this is going to be absolute hell. Spy is my most hated class. And good spies are going to use these unlocks for even more frustrating deaths.

[Kaijufan]

According to shacknews (http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/58658) the Sniper AND Spy are getting unlockables. I don't know if that means a full set of gear for each of them, but the sniper stuff was real. Oh and the update will also include headgear, and is apparently out May 21 (next thursday).

Man I love TF2.
I saw that some people thought the Sniper stuff was fake and that didn't make any sense to me, the blog has an ingame picture of a corpse shot with an arrow.

[Sporadic]

Maybe when you have the cloak and dagger equipped backstabs aren't instant kills? Or maybe you have to stab people directly in the back to kill them, you can't stab them in the side like with the normal knife?

Since this update is designed like an advertisement it isn't going to list the negatives, since ads never list the problems a product has.

Only negative that the ad mentions is that you can only refill your meter by standing still. You can't pick up metal anymore.

Still the good spys are going to have a field day with this.

[Sofa King Kool]

Just started playing this a few days ago, despite having owned it for about a year now.

I'm really bad at it X_X

[Nohbdy]

-Watch these: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=701625
-Play as Medic to familiarize yourself with the map
-Play seemingly less complex characters once you're ready (read: NOT an Engineer or Spy)

[itachiitachi]

I figure it'll be highly visible in the same sense that a sentry beeps obnoxiously. It's basically saying "Don't do this you retard!" They'll not stab you and you won't get stabbed. However, if you are alone you'll get revolvered. That's why I think the idea behind the shield is to stick with the team or near a sentry.
When I stick around teammates or a maintained sentry I don't really have a spy problem anyway(unless my team really sucks), and with the shield I wouldn't even have a way to defend the sentry or my teammates against a spy. If the shield can't protect me when I'm alone it's not worth using.
Also I suspect there will be an achievement using the shield, so if a spy can tell if you have it, then the achievement would be near impossible through legitimate means.

[Hydro2Oxide]

When I stick around teammates or a maintained sentry I don't really have a spy problem anyway(unless my team really sucks), and with the shield I wouldn't even have a way to defend the sentry or my teammates against a spy. If the shield can't protect me when I'm alone it's not worth using.
Also I suspect there will be an achievement using the shield, so if a spy can tell if you have it, then the achievement would be near impossible through legitimate means.

Yeah I thought there might be an achievement linked to it but we'll see what happens when it happens.

[shinryuu]

Whoa, just found about all these updates last night. Crazy.

[Sporadic]

Meet The Spy video has leaked

http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/technology_and_gaming/watch/v18477238BqYGPAZN

Seems to show off a new sapper (one that can be slid under the sentry)

[Nohbdy]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=M9XH19SN

[Nohbdy]

Sniper is wearing a new hat.

[Kaijufan]

Meet The Spy video has leaked

http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/technology_and_gaming/watch/v18477238BqYGPAZN

Seems to show off a new sapper (one that can be slid under the sentry)
The stuff in the videos aren't always possible in game (like in the demoman video when the heavy was always ahead of the rest of the team). I might not be a new sapper.

I guess we'll have to wait for next week.

[crystalklear64]

holy shit that movie was awesome