Team Fortress 2 Discussion Thread

[RAMSTORIA]

Has their been any confirmation as to what class is up for the next update?

no word but demo, engi and soldier are the only 3 that havent been updated. so you can expect it to be one or more of those.

[lordwow]

The scout got a lot funner for me now that I finally unlocked the force-a-nature.

[Nohbdy]

The Shit-of-nature should have never been made.

[bg88]

The scout got a lot funner for me now that I finally unlocked the force-a-nature.

Yeah I honestly can't decide which gun I like more with the Scout, the Force-A-Nature or the regular Scatter gun. The ammo capacity of the normal Scatter gun is very nice, but the Force-A-Nature is very nice to get out of situations quickly. Double jumping backwards + Force-A-Nature = very quick way of leaving a losing battle. I unlocked the Bonk Atomic Punch but I haven't used it yet. The Sandman is alright but I always use the original bat. But yes, the Force-A-Nature is pretty awesome.

[seen]

My comments on Scout upgrades-
The Force-A-Nature is fun to use and useful for a scout who needs to stay on the move. The bonk drink is ok, I can't see when it would be useful other then on payload maps; might work for captures but I haven't tried it. The Sandman is a lot of fun to use however after immobilizing your opponent with the ball apparently 2 shots to the head will not do the trick, that being said I'll probably go back to the bat as well.

[Kaijufan]

The scout got a lot funner for me now that I finally unlocked the force-a-nature.
Yeah I have way more fun playing the scout now that I have the FaN then I did before I had it.

[Nohbdy]

http://kotaku.com/5306691/korean-pc-game-rips+off-team-fortress-2

What.

[Oktoberfest]

http://kotaku.com/5306691/korean-pc-game-rips+off-team-fortress-2

What.

Korean game developers have a thing for copying other games. Have you seen Sudden Attack? It's Counter-Strike. Avalon? Dota.

[SOSTrooper]

no word but demo, engi and soldier are the only 3 that havent been updated. so you can expect it to be one or more of those.

Apparently those 3 classes are my most played. I can't wait.

[crystalklear64]

eh.. i think it looked different enough to not be a tf2 rip off. except the demo man.

tf2 isn't the only class based shooter around, and snipers, rocket launchers, and miniguns aren't the most original weapons

looked more like an army men game to me.

[Hydro2Oxide]

eh.. i think it looked different enough to not be a tf2 rip off. except the demo man.

tf2 isn't the only class based shooter around, and snipers, rocket launchers, and miniguns aren't the most original weapons

looked more like an army men game to me.

It was a blatant rip off. Same style of music, same demoman grenades, same sound effect for sniper, fast class double jumped with a bat and quite a few more comparisons.

While not every class based shooter may be a rip off, TF2 is a wildly succesful game that many developers are likely to model their game after.

[Serik]

hehe

ripoffs only make the original look better in comparison 8-)

[bg88]

http://kotaku.com/5306691/korean-pc-game-rips+off-team-fortress-2

What.

#-o Hmm.......I think I'll stick with TF2. That game looks pretty terrible in comparison. No other game like TF2 can recreate its awesome humor, style, or personality of the characters.

[crystalklear64]

wtf style of music does tf2 have? "spy music"? certainly didn't get that feel from the trailer of whatever this game was called. sounds like an 80's robot transformin' song.

holy shit double jumping in video games!?

a weak yet fast character, oh my fucking god call the lawyers!


also, looking at the trailer again, i don't even think this is a class based game. the character types are all seen holding different types of weapons.

[Hydro2Oxide]

It's like a frantic military styled big band.

You can't deny the similarities are not few and far between. As Kotaku nicely points out with the comparisons, the trailer obviously takes elements from TF2' Meet The's and a few E3 trailers.

[seen]

Those crafty Koreans! TF2 copy, all the way.

[crystalklear64]

It's like a frantic military styled big band.

You can't deny the similarities are not few and far between. As Kotaku nicely points out with the comparisons, the trailer obviously takes elements from TF2' Meet The's and a few E3 trailers.
those comparisons actually made me laugh a little. some of those are so bad, as in they look nothing alike, that it just seems like kotaku is purposefully trolling.

i already said that at least a couple of things are blatant rip-offs. mainly the demoman weapon as that is one of the few things thing is "unique" to tf2. that grenade style i have not seen elsewhere.

while comparisons certainly do exist between the two games, with even the smallest amount of extra thought, you can see that many of the "rip-offs" are simply genre conventions and that similar comparisons could be drawn between many other games. sure maybe this game has a couple of things directly taken from tf2, but it has many more things different about it in the right areas that make it its own game.

[Hydro2Oxide]

those comparisons actually made me laugh a little. some of those are so bad, as in they look nothing alike, that it just seems like kotaku is purposefully trolling.

i already said that at least a couple of things are blatant rip-offs. mainly the demoman weapon as that is one of the few things thing is "unique" to tf2. that grenade style i have not seen elsewhere.

while comparisons certainly do exist between the two games, with even the smallest amount of extra thought, you can see that many of the "rip-offs" are simply genre conventions and that similar comparisons could be drawn between many other games. sure maybe this game has a couple of things directly taken from tf2, but it has many more things different about it in the right areas that make it its own game.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the game will be unique in it's own way. Being it's a Korean F2P game (IIRC) then it'll probably have a leveling system and a few other differences. It's just not surprising though to see a smaller game with nearly no publicity (To me, never heard ofo it) to market a game like one of the greates multiplayer FPS's did.

[RAMSTORIA]

why doesnt CAG have a server that we can all play on and have game nights.

[Hydro2Oxide]

why doesnt CAG have a server that we can all play on and have game nights.

Because servers are big money :cry:

[RAMSTORIA]

cant you get 24 man servers for like 30 a month?

[Hydro2Oxide]

cant you get 24 man servers for like 30 a month?

And 30 dollars a month isn't expensive?

[RAMSTORIA]

30 is more than i want to spend... id put 5 on it though ;)

[SOSTrooper]

30 is more than i want to spend... id put 5 on it though ;)

We've tried this before, but unfortunately many people loss interest after a couple of months. We can go join non-empty servers together tho... :) I play almost every night, you can add my steam ID (SOSTrooper) to your buddylist.

[lordwow]

That's probably my biggest issue with TF2, nearly ever server I play on is full every night. A lot of waiting to find a good server.

Also, I can't seem to remove servers from my played list, even after right clicking and clicking to remove from played list.

[seen]

why doesnt CAG have a server that we can all play on and have game nights.

We did have one previously I believe it was CaptainPlanet who started it and quickly folded after the few months of having a few of us donate to have no one use it. It was originally purchased for the CAG Syndicate group we had, hoping to actually play matches in the future...

[crystalklear64]

yup didn't work too well when there were only 4-5 people showing up

[shinryuu]

SOSTrooper, I hate you.

Well, you had more cooperative medics. Ours would either suddenly be AFK or jump in the middle of the battlefield. That and a lot of our team kept playing defensive. Bleh.. but after you left, I was on top of the BLU team leaderboard. Heheh.

[crystalklear64]

trooper is just a damned good player.

i felt he was the best out of the original syndicate and he's probably only gotten better.

[seen]

trooper is just a damned good player.

i felt he was the best out of the original syndicate and he's probably only gotten better.

Very true, you can go far with an expert solider on your side.

[RAMSTORIA]

i guess that makes me 2nd best, trooper and i were neck and neck in points tonight. of course then i foolishly changed from pyro to engi since our team didnt have any and my points dropped.

[seen]

Yea Ramstoria, thats why I like playing with groups of people I am familiar with so I don't feel like I'm playing a support class in vein.

[crystalklear64]

i guess that makes me 2nd best, trooper and i were neck and neck in points tonight. of course then i foolishly changed from pyro to engi since our team didnt have any and my points dropped.
i don't think you were a member of cag-s or if you were, you did not make an impression on me with your playing.

many excellent players will not be on the top of the boards, because they are focused on doing their job and supporting the team, not going after points. if your team didn't have any engineers and they needed one at the time, as long as you were able to accomplish what was needed from an engineer for your team, it doesn't matter how many potential points you lost in doing so.

[SOSTrooper]

Yeah Ramstoria you're actually a pretty good pyro. I think it'll be good to have a player like you on my side, takes some burden off of you and me.

:)

[RAMSTORIA]

i don't think you were a member of cag-s or if you were, you did not make an impression on me with your playing.

many excellent players will not be on the top of the boards, because they are focused on doing their job and supporting the team, not going after points. if your team didn't have any engineers and they needed one at the time, as long as you were able to accomplish what was needed from an engineer for your team, it doesn't matter how many potential points you lost in doing so.

yeah, im in the cag-s group still. but i never really played with you guys. back when it was still new i didnt play much tf2 and when i did i played with some buddies of mine. my old computer ran tf2 at like 20 fps, so it wasnt very fun. my new computer runs its at 150+ fps, so ive been playing like its going out of style.


and SOS, i love pyro, ever since the flare gun game out ive been playing it like crazy.

[darthbudge]

Pyro is still my favorite and best class.

I once killed 8 people that were capping a point all by myself. Then I managed to kill about 5 or 6 more before I finally died.

[shinryuu]

Why don't we set up a CAG night already... pretty sure we can bum rush a random server.

And SOS, I joined when you were playing today again. That fast respawn server was kinda lame. One medic had Kritz right when he spawned for some reason. =d

[RAMSTORIA]

yes a cag night is good.

[SOSTrooper]

Hmm really? I just know it was fast spawn, but I didn't know medics get uber/krits faster than normal. I usually avoid those dustbowl/goldrush/pipeline/2fort servers, so sometime I do end up playing in some custom modded servers like fast spawn or the semi-gay nom-nom-nom server (30 seconds of free kill at the round end).

[Hydro2Oxide]

If we do CAG night, I'm admin on a server. As I said though it's 16 slots and no crits with all talk so if that bugs anyone we can do something else. Other than that though it's all vanilla.

[seen]

^Sounds good but anyway to turn all-talk off, it takes away from the team-work...

[BlueScrote]

But with a CAG night its more about the community than anything else so i think all talk wouldn't be too big of an issue

[seen]

When we had the Cag Syndicate,(old TF2 group) we struggled to have more then 4 members in-game at a time; so in the past we have never filled a server.

[Kaijufan]

A CAG night would be great, maybe set up a notification on the Steam group so that people who don't regularly visit this thread know about it.

[Hydro2Oxide]

We should do a CAG TF2 steam group so we can give more active people admin.

As for the trouble of filling it up, it's a clan server so clanmates + CAG members = booming server.

[crystalklear64]

We should do a CAG TF2 steam group so we can give more active people admin.
Yea that sure would be nice. Why haven't we already done that?
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/6874/likethise.png

[judyjudyjudy]

Do you have to be good to join? I can only play medic right now, and a mediocre one at best.

[Hydro2Oxide]

Then invite me brah.

[shinryuu]

I'm not familiar with [CAG] Syndicate, but obviously it sounds like it was a semi-competitive TF2 clan. Either way, if you want to use that as the main group, add me! =p The only problem would be getting east coast people playing with west coast people, but I don't think it'd be too difficult-- just whenever anyone can show up is good enough. Also, if we do H2O server, it might be hard populating it unless your server is popular as is? If any case, just joining a random server would be good enough.

Do you have to be good to join? I can only play medic right now, and a mediocre one at best.

Nah, that would be mean.

[crystalklear64]

I'm not familiar with [CAG] Syndicate, but obviously it sounds like it was a semi-competitive TF2 clan.
While that was the intent, we dropped out of our first tournament due to lack of participants, so we couldn't really qualify ourselves as such.

Now, it doesn't matter, we might as well use it since we've already got 20 or so in there. Gimme Steam names and I'll give invites.


shinryuu and hydro, sent you invites.

[BlueScrote]

BlueScrote is my steam name. I'm not the greatest, but I love playing with people I know and I have a mic.

[Kaijufan]

I'll join the clan: http://steamcommunity.com/id/Bluth54

[seen]

^I just sent you both invites

[SOSTrooper]

I've added a couple of people just now, I play often so you guys can join up. :)

[Filbert]

I'd like an invite:
http://steamcommunity.com/id/Phalchion

[BlueLobstah]

I know I've played with a couple of you on L4D, but I would love to have some CAG nights.

http://steamcommunity.com/id/scurker

[seen]

^Done, and done.

[Hydro2Oxide]

Anyone want to join my server? I'm struggling to fill it up >_<

8.9.36.201:27015

[seen]

^Well, I've never heard of the game "TFTrue - Satan's Chimney Sweeps" which is what steam says it is...

[crystalklear64]

arena and ping over 100 = :(

[Hydro2Oxide]

Yeah, the arena was bleh. As for the game mode thing, no idea why it does that but at least it catches your eye when scrolling for servers :D

[shinryuu]

Are you on the east coast H2O?

[Hydro2Oxide]

Yup.

[judyjudyjudy]

TF2 blog (http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2663) has been updated with avatars:

http://www.teamfortress.com/images/posts/avatars.jpg

Seems kinda pointless to me, but whatever. I like the engie's pic; it's very "high school yearbook".

[Serik]

Hmmm, all the recent entries have been from our friend the Soldier. His unlocks are probably next.

The Soldier, if it bears repeating, is absolutely batshit.

UNLESS IT'S A FARM!

[crystalklear64]

i've seen some pretty cool soldier ideas/drawings such as a double rocket launcher and a long shovel.

looking forward to whatever valve does and hopefully the heavy too.

[BlueScrote]

I love the caption of that picture.

[Kaijufan]

Hmmm, all the recent entries have been from our friend the Soldier. His unlocks are probably next.

The Soldier, if it bears repeating, is absolutely batshit.

UNLESS IT'S A FARM!

Yeah I'm guessing he'll be next, and then demo and engie will get a duel update since they are rival classes like the spy and sniper.

[crystalklear64]

demo is everyone's rival class

[Hydro2Oxide]

demo is everyone's rival class

Errr, not Scout or Sniper.

[judyjudyjudy]

My husband plays a very aggressive medic, and he made a series of screenshots from a good run he had to explain his play style to the regulars on the server we play on. I found his tutorial amusing, maybe others here would appreciate it too:
http://www.nerd-dungeon.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=814
I particularly like the last shot.

[DukeEdwardI]

My husband plays a very aggressive medic, and he made a series of screenshots from a good run he had to explain his play style to the regulars on the server we play on. I found his tutorial amusing, maybe others here would appreciate it too:
http://www.nerd-dungeon.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=814
I particularly like the last shot.

Hm, that's a very interesting way to play a medic. I've always done the heal everybody around you and whip out the blutsager when nobody needs healing or when the person you're healing dies. Obviously this looks super effective so I'm going to have to try it sometime.

[judyjudyjudy]

Hm, that's a very interesting way to play a medic. I've always done the heal everybody around you and whip out the blutsager when nobody needs healing or when the person you're healing dies. Obviously this looks super effective so I'm going to have to try it sometime.This was a good run he had. Most of the time he just dies, lol. He is pretty decent at melee, and he must be lucky as he crits a lot. People often bitch he should do more healing, which is why the last panel is extra funny.

[Dodecaherdon Head]

My husband plays a very aggressive medic, and he made a series of screenshots from a good run he had to explain his play style to the regulars on the server we play on. I found his tutorial amusing, maybe others here would appreciate it too:
http://www.nerd-dungeon.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=814
I particularly like the last shot.

That's a fun way to play as long as you are still doing your job as a medic and healing people when they need it.

[lordwow]

Ya, there's nothing worse than a medic who sits there with their gun when you're down at about 2 health.

[Sinistar]

My husband plays a very aggressive medic, and he made a series of screenshots from a good run he had to explain his play style to the regulars on the server we play on. I found his tutorial amusing, maybe others here would appreciate it too:
http://www.nerd-dungeon.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=814
I particularly like the last shot.



haha I wish I was in that server. I play medic a lot too

[LinkinPrime]

New to the game...gotta say I'm loving every bit of it. Don't really have a specific class I play, but I usually play as Solider, with a little mix of everything else.

[crystalklear64]

had some good fun yesterday with a team full of people just trying to have a good time and were up for trying anything.

did full spy crab team, full engie team, full scout, full medic (super lulz we actually won that round) it was great.

[Hydro2Oxide]

Looks like CEVO-A is starting it's preseason, any CAGs on a team in the Atlantic ladder?

[Hydro2Oxide]

We were the first team to play a match, we scheduled early. We won the match so according to the leaderboard, we're in first place. YEAAAAAAAAAAH! (http://www.cevo.com/index.php?page=div&id=262&func=standings&view=bygroup)

I thought it was so awesome I set it as my desktop background.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/Plooper/YEAAAAAAAAAH.png

[SOSTrooper]

Glad there are many medics here on CAG. I need them on my team! haha

[ChernobylCow]

I was just doing some calculations to see what gameplay worth I got out of my games per hour and relating that to what I spent on my dead rig.

Anyways, I never spent any time in achievement servers or would I ever leave myself idle in servers but here you go:

Total playtime: 393.1 Hours
Cost of Orange Box: $60
$0.15/hr

I would comfortably say that 80% of that was spent on Dustbowl. Man, what a well-balanced game.

[Oktoberfest]

you paid $60 for this? I believe you're in the wrong forum, yo!

[Nohbdy]

My husband plays a very aggressive medic, and he made a series of screenshots from a good run he had to explain his play style to the regulars on the server we play on. I found his tutorial amusing, maybe others here would appreciate it too:
http://www.nerd-dungeon.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=814
I particularly like the last shot.
Is that the Studio Rumble server?

[carpwrist]

I was just doing some calculations to see what gameplay worth I got out of my games per hour and relating that to what I spent on my dead rig.

Anyways, I never spent any time in achievement servers or would I ever leave myself idle in servers but here you go:

Total playtime: 393.1 Hours
Cost of Orange Box: $60
$0.15/hr

I would comfortably say that 80% of that was spent on Dustbowl. Man, what a well-balanced game.

What an interesting way to break down a game. I gotta say, the closest i have to that ratio is Oblivion.

[judyjudyjudy]

Is that the Studio Rumble server?Yessir.

[Sporadic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-9Hjvb92ps

Impressive :lol:

[Kaijufan]

Awesome video, I downloaded the wallpaper version of the final shot.

[DukeEdwardI]

Awesome video indeed. That last shot is wallpaper worthy.

[Commander0Zero]

Any body play on the No Heroes servers? I play there and they are well modded and have a fun group. Hey if any CAGS want to add me in Steam I'm Commander0Zero there too. I would love to play with you guys.

[Hydro2Oxide]

Any body play on the No Heroes servers? I play there and they are well modded and have a fun group. Hey if any CAGS want to add me in Steam I'm Commander0Zero there too. I would love to play with you guys.

It's mostly 32 player near instaspawn garbage, not a fan.

[ChernobylCow]

I'm a big fan of the standard "slow" spawn which I believe is the normal setting. 10-15 seconds. Instant spawn is a game breaker.

[BlueLobstah]

Aside from wanting to "play" again, I don't really get the appeal of an instant respawn server.

I generally use respawn time to do some reconnaissance, which helps to form my strategy/class once I do eventually respawn. Instant respawn servers really throw off that advantage, not to mention that it's heavily favored towards defense. It's also nice on occasion to have that 10-20 second break.

[ChernobylCow]

I generally use respawn time to do some reconnaissance, which helps to form my strategy/class once I do eventually respawn. Instant respawn servers really throw off that advantage, not to mention that it's heavily favored towards defense. It's also nice on occasion to have that 10-20 second break.

I think this is a really important point. Valve even includes the deathcam in their discussions on balance because it does allow you to see what pesky tactics players are using or turret placement, etc. It's not simply like the Goldeneye days where everyone is shouting "hey, quit looking at my SCREEN!"

[SOSTrooper]

I use the respawn time to chat on AIM, pick my nose, grab some snacks, and wipe my sweat, in that order ;)

[ChernobylCow]

Yeah, compared to something frenetic like L4D. TF2 allows for post-death snackage.

[lordwow]

I don't play on instant respawn because I agree that it throws off the balance of the game towards defense, and I think it causes less strategy by individual players since death essentially has minimal consequence.

[Commander0Zero]

It's mostly 32 player near instaspawn garbage, not a fan.

Well I felt it was fun... to each his own. While I do like the stock stuff my main issue was finding a good group to play with and not a bunch of Fuck faces that hate team work and act like children. Are there any stock servers that meet my minimal qualification you can recommend?

[SOSTrooper]

Here's some stock servers that frequently have good players/good team work, IMO:

67.212.160.114:27015 - iRadic-eSports.com #1 | Stock Rotation | IR Stats | Central
63.208.142.75:27015 - [SS] Secret Service Compound #1
72.233.44.146:27019 - Texas... TeamPlayers... TF2
66.150.164.55:27015 - TheMaCHinE.org - Advanced Teamplay $$$$statsX]
67.228.59.144:27015 - SourceOP.com TF2 Pro Rotation [NO CRITS]

But to be honest, there's always little children and teamstacking in every server. I remember I played on a server that had nothing but GOOD players, and obviously good teamwork and a greater challenge. I'll post the IP if I can find it again.

[Serik]

The Twisted Network has good community servers. The tN and other clan members who play there are (somewhat) good about keeping teams balanced. 24-player max and default respawn times.

I've been playing on their TF servers since the early 2000s, come to think of it, but still haven't become a tN member. heh

[Commander0Zero]

I'll try some of those servers suggested but i feel No Heroes is great and has well modded servers. The competition is good and they really are into team based play.I personally like the 32 player limit and spawn times but if I have the need for some stock TF2 maps I'll give those a go.

[crystalklear64]

i usually just stick to the clan woof servers all close to me so good pings

[darthbudge]

I personally like all of the SourceOP servers. They have lots them, they are almost always close to being full and I usually get good ping on them.

[Genocidal]

Shameless plug for my clan's servers (boneyard.wmdgaming.com and funhouse.wmdgaming.com), and a second on themachine.org.

[Sporadic]

I'm a pretty big fan of FugTF2.com Back to Basics Servers.

They are usually full, have no real gimmicks, and decent regulars (only real problem is the regulars start all drift to one team and steamroll the other one)

[LinkinPrime]

Had an excellent match as medic yesterday, it was the one where you push the cart ( I forget the actual name :oops:)...anyways, I survived the whole match and had 3 ubercharges.

[Oktoberfest]

Had an excellent match as medic yesterday, it was the one where you push the cart ( I forget the actual name :oops:)...anyways, I survived the whole match and had 3 ubercharges.

Now you just have to work your way to that "heal 10000 health points in one life" achievement. I once got to 9000 healing points and had 6 ubercharges, so I'd say the goal is to get around 7 or 8 ubercharges

[LinkinPrime]

Damn...that's pretty crazy.

[Commander0Zero]

Had an excellent match as medic yesterday, it was the one where you push the cart ( I forget the actual name :oops:)...anyways, I survived the whole match and had 3 ubercharges.

It's payload..lol... please you gotta get your TF2 speak down! But great you're having fun with the game and yeah a good medic can keep a team in the field fighting which is a huge advantage

[LinkinPrime]

:lol:

I'm a newb...haven't spent too much time with the game yet, only about 6hrs total or so.

[Sporadic]

Now you just have to work your way to that "heal 10000 health points in one life" achievement. I once got to 9000 healing points and had 6 ubercharges, so I'd say the goal is to get around 7 or 8 ubercharges

It's better to use Kritzkrieg while on defense. Quicker to charge and it's much better against pushing enemies if the person you are Kritzing isn't a complete retard (my best is 7,365 points though :-#)

[Genocidal]

It depends. Kritz is nice if you can surprise them but once the other team figures it out you'll become an even higher priority target as well as completely ineffective against a pair of medics who stagger their ubers.

[LinkinPrime]

:oops:

What's Kritzkrieg? An unlockable weapon?

[Salamando3000]

Yeah. It's the alternate version of the Medigun. Instead of making you and your healee invincible, it gives them guaranteed crits. I also think it charges faster, but I can't remember. You get it either via the drop system or by getting the necessary achievements, only some of which you'll actually be able to get in normal play.

[LinkinPrime]

Yeah. It's the alternate version of the Medigun. Instead of making you and your healee invincible, it gives them guaranteed crits. I also think it charges faster, but I can't remember. You get it either via the drop system or by getting the necessary achievements, only some of which you'll actually be able to get in normal play.

Sounds cool...another question...what's "crits" :oops:?

[Sporadic]

It depends. Kritz is nice if you can surprise them but once the other team figures it out you'll become an even higher priority target as well as completely ineffective against a pair of medics who stagger their ubers.

You become a bigger target but you should always stay back until the charge is ready. I try to top off the people who fall back and than become somebody's pocket medic when the time comes for the kritz. As soon as it is over, I retreat again. Better to be alive and a little back from the front line then following somebody into a suicide situation where you will die/lose your charge.

Sounds cool...another question...what's "crits" :oops:?

http://tf2wiki.net/wiki/Crits

Kritzkrieg basically turns the Heavy/Solider into a killing machine. You can take down a whole wave of a team if you pop it at the right time.

[judyjudyjudy]

I'm another one that prefers the 24 max, 10-20 respawn time on the servers. What do people think about random crits? Or spawn camping? The three complaints I hear the most from non-regulars on the server I play on concern respawn times, random crits, and spawn camping.

[RAMSTORIA]

im not a big fan of crits, i hate it when i get killed in one shot because of a crit...

spawn camping i dont mind so much, if your team is bad enough to let a spy just hang around and backstab or have a heavy medic combo outside the door then you deserve to get picked up. just get a medic and hit em back. i play pyro pretty much always, and there are times when (especially on payload maps) where i can just mow people down, work my way back to spawn, i take out teleporters, kill a few people, but they get me eventually.

[Hydro2Oxide]

Ha, was watching a video someone sent me and saw fellow cag ChernobylCow (Least I think it's him) 53 seconds in (CAG won't let me link directly to time)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA61ay2Lp7k&fmt=18#t=53s

[ChernobylCow]

Haha, I made a cameo. Cute. Nice find. I was the spy? Hard for me to tell what all was going on besides the guy was playing heavy. Dustbowl was my thang. Once I get this rig built it'll be my thang again. I play as Chernobyl_Cow_Say_Moo

Crits are integral to the game I believe. In a game world that has no wind/no unsteady soil/no blinding sunlight/nothing that can randomly happen out of the ordinary the game really needs something that is "unpredictable" to help smooth things over. The crits are skill-based with some magic einstein logarithm. If you follow board game communities there is always that search for the perfect balance of skill-based gameplay with a little bit of randomness thrown in for good measure. Not that TF2 is going for realism, but players play with a realistic mindset. I think the crits are rewarding in loss and defeat.

[Hydro2Oxide]

While I agree with that, TF2 has no skill implementation for crits. RPG's usually have a luck stat or crit chance you can raise, most FPS's have headshots, other games may have a bar or meter that lets you know when you can use a powerful attack etc. Whereas the crit is entirely random. Yes there's the ramping up effect with damage but that doesn't mean that that guy who was lucky enough to get minigun crits in a room full of people who should have killed him deserved it.

[crystalklear64]

You still have to hit your target.

[Oktoberfest]

pyro air blast duh! ^^

[Serik]

Everyone hates crits -- that is, until they're the ones dealing them

[Sleepkyng]

i don't mind kritz.

also for kritzkrieg vs. uber it all depends on who you've got in front of you. A good soldier / medic combo should always roll uber, but that means you have played together for a while.

kritzkrieg i like using on demos and heavies.

[Serik]

I was search for some hi-res TF2 wallpapers and came across these awesome pictures:

1. TF2 rejects (http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs26/f/2008/084/4/9/Team_Fortress_2_Rejects_by_ChemicalAlia.jpg)

2. TF2 concert (http://tf2.digitaljedi.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/tf2rockout.jpg)

3. Kirby Fortress (http://nintendoraw.com/photos/Wallpapers/KirbyFortress1024.gif)

4. Awesome minimalist wallpaper (http://bbbburns.com/blog/uploads/Background/1203048568453.jpg)(bonus points if you can find that pic in 1920x1200)

[Swift900]

TF2 concert - I spy the G man rocking from the rooftops! Nice

[darthbudge]

I love those first two pics.

[crystalklear64]

Classless update!

http://www.teamfortress.com/classless/

[Serik]

lol at the guy with a hat for his hat's hat

[crystalklear64]

Valve being sneaky:
http://www.teamfortress.com/classless/hidden/hats/
http://www.teamfortress.com/classless/hidden/barbary/
http://www.teamfortress.com/classless/hidden/advertisement/
http://www.teamfortress.com/classless/hidden/enigmatical/

[Hydro2Oxide]

Hopefully comp play will be thrown many a bone after all the beta testing we've heard about. Bring on a 5 CP map!

[RAMSTORIA]

great 18 more hats... so far i have 0.

i hope this classless update turns into a class update in the next day or so.

[Serik]

I just got my first hat the other day. The batters helmet for the scout, my least-played class :/

[judyjudyjudy]

I got the heavy (which is good since I'm actually trying out heavy) and spy (bad because I'll probably never play spy) hats. I really, really want the pyro beanie, but I dig the new firefighter hat, too. I hope the new medic hats are more interesting.

[Hydro2Oxide]

^^^ Not to mention the stupidest looking.

I've got the beanie. A lesser played class but definitely the best hat.

[judyjudyjudy]

My husband calls the batter's helmet the "short bus hat". He also claims his Huntsman arrows hit more helmeted scouts than regular hatted scouts.

[Owen]

Hopefully the hats will become more plentiful if all that this update is adding is the hats and hopefully the trade system.

[Kaijufan]

Great to see we're getting more hats with this update. I'm hoping this update will bring a bunch of new maps, community maps and a Valve created map or two (not arena please Valve, you've made enough of those).

[SOSTrooper]

I play avg 2 hrs everyday, I have not gotten any hat, and I have not gotten the Axtinguisher randomly either. Bunch of baloney.

[ChernobylCow]

I just reinstalled steam the other day and TF2 on my new system. I see some of my ol pals online and I click to see what server and they're all in /100 servers with some fake program running heh. Achievement/hat servers anybaaaahdy?

[Genocidal]

It's a fake idling program that from what I've heard from some users, doesn't really help much, if at all.

Complete indifference on the new hats considering I still don't have any of the original ones.

[lordwow]

I'm hoping we see the trading system in this update.

Also, can someone explain to me the level system for unlockables, the higher level ones are stronger?

[Salamando3000]

It's a fake idling program that from what I've heard from some users, doesn't really help much, if at all.

Wouldn't say it's completely worthless. It allows you to be online than any normal person could play TF2, and doesn't comes with the actual computational power needed to just idle in game. It's just a time thing...the longer you're online, the more rolls you'll probably get. With more rolls, it is expected that you have a higher chance of having found a hat.

[Genocidal]

I know what it does. I'm saying that people who use it are reporting that they rarely if ever get items when using it.

Also, can someone explain to me the level system for unlockables, the higher level ones are stronger?

The numbers have no meaning, all items are the same strength.

[crystalklear64]

for now...

[judyjudyjudy]

New update is up. They've added the "King of the Hill" mode.

[RAMSTORIA]

so i guess king of the hill is a way they can rehash the arena maps that nobody seems to like. well see how it plays out, stacked teams should dominate KOTH and i could see these being no fun at all. however i can see how they could be very fun with balanced teams.

[Kaijufan]

Sounds like a great mode, the main thing I don't like about arena is how you get one life and KotH solves that.

[Serik]

KOTH sounds fantastic. I like game modes that concentrate the action around one point (pl for example).

Sawmill's also a good map, except for the whole arena part...

[Salamando3000]

I know what it does. I'm saying that people who use it are reporting that they rarely if ever get items when using it.

I dunno what they're using or how their using it, but it definitely seems you get the same number of drops using the program as you would in game. As is common with probability, there are times when you're on a non-rolling streak and go for hours without anything, there are times when you toll three times an hour.

I know it's how I got my Pyro's beanie.

[RAMSTORIA]

KOTH sounds fantastic. I like game modes that concentrate the action around one point (pl for example).

Sawmill's also a good map, except for the whole arena part...

3 minutes seems too short for KOTH, seems like 5 minutes would be better. but i guess ill wait until i play it to judge it too harshly.

[judyjudyjudy]

Update is up!
http://store.steampowered.com/news/2733/

Boo to "Disguised Spies no longer trigger On-Hit effects (like the Blutsauger's heal)", and yay to "Ubercharged players can no longer be stunned". I'm curious as to what the Pipeline third stage improvements are.

[Hydro2Oxide]

HOLY SHIT AUTO RELOAD YESYESYES

Soooo much good stuff in there.

[lordwow]

Not sure how I feel about limiting pistol speed.

Critboost upon capturing the flag should make things interesting.

Thank God for:

Sappers attached to a teleporter automatically place another Sapper on the other end of the teleporter, if it exists

* Engineers wrenching a teleporter will repair the other end as well, and remove Sappers from both if they exist

[judyjudyjudy]

The new hats:
http://files2.bredband.net/cpuser_b298987/blandat/hats.png

Not this :P
http://images.wallaceandgromit.com/user_uploads/forum_thumbnails/5/75/355.jpg

I want that pot (even tho I'm a terrible soldier).

[RAMSTORIA]

oh snap, scouts can double jump with the sandman now.

[crystalklear64]

oh snap, scouts can double jump with the sandman now.
and die in one rocket close range, woot!


* Engineers wrenching a teleporter will repair the other end as well, and remove Sappers from both if they exist.
Fuck off valve. Sapping entrances is textbook spy strat.

[Genocidal]

10 seconds of crits on flag cap is retarded.

[RAMSTORIA]

Fuck off valve. Sapping entrances is textbook spy strat.

yeah thats pretty bs.

[Nohbdy]

11,111 lucky assholes got something shiny.

DAMN YOU VALVE.

[Owen]

11,111 lucky assholes got something shiny.

DAMN YOU VALVE.

Care to elaborate?

[flameofdoom666]

I feel like the Xbox 360 version gets shafted with the DLC....

[judyjudyjudy]

11,111 lucky assholes got something shiny.

DAMN YOU VALVE.My husband got his, and he didn't tell me about it until way later! :bomb: I think I'm going to go into his suitcase and delete his out of spite.

[Hydro2Oxide]

Gah, I'm so pissed. Why did I miss out ;_;

To the guy who asked for elaboration, Valve gave out 11,111 medals personally awarded by the soldier for free.

[judyjudyjudy]

Gah, I'm so pissed. Why did I miss out ;_;

To the guy who asked for elaboration, Valve gave out 11,111 medals personally awarded by the soldier for free.
Here's the link so all us losers can at least enjoy the graphic together:
http://www.teamfortress.com/classless/hidden/today_is_a_good_day/
There used to be a link to sign into Steam and get your medal. When my husband finally told me about it, I clicked the link, but the next page said they were gone already. Soldier seems like the most likely candidate for next update?

So what do people think of KotH? I think it's kind of spammy, but other people seem to like it.

[crystalklear64]

There's certainly no confusion as to what time it is when you play king of the hill at the end of the round.

[DukeEdwardI]

So why exactly were the medals awarded to those 11,111? I'm not quite understanding what the point of them are...are they just supposed to look nice in your inventory? Or did those people do something special?

[Nohbdy]

They do NOTHING.

[shinryuu]

10 seconds of crits on flag cap is retarded.
Is it on flag cap or, how exactly does it work? I got crits when walking with the flag so... yeah.

[carpwrist]

The pistol is now the ultimate spam weapon. I play Engi very differently now that i can just hold down the pistol and empty a chamber in 2 secs. It beats swinging your wrench around the entire round.

[ChernobylCow]

guess I should read the update notez

[Kaijufan]

11,111 lucky assholes got something shiny.

DAMN YOU VALVE.
I was one of those lucky assholes. :D

[Nohbdy]

Valve patched the game.

And they kept the OVERTIME bug as a console command.

Bless their fragging hearts.

[SOSTrooper]

Rocket jump is broken..... :( I can't RJ as high or as far anymore. I kept on thinking I'm messing up but even in my own private lagless server I can't RJ like before. This needs a fix fast.

[Brak]

I need that Johnny Appleseed hat!

[NTolerance]

No ubersaw siphoning when attacking disguised spies is a huge nerf for the medic. Whacking spies is the best and most common way to use the ubersaw. :cry:

Oh, and I want my rocketjumps back and sticky bombs on the control point.

I mostly play soldier, demo, and medic. :cry:

[Hydro2Oxide]

I mostly play soldier, demo, and medic. :cry:

Ha, I'm the same. Let us cry together :cry:

[Sir_Fragalot]

I am actually loving the unlock randomly system now. Even though I don't get fucking items because this game hates me, I played in a server with a extremely shitty team for over an hour just because I could unlock stuff. I also noticed some people getting TWO items at once, like wtf.

[shinryuu]

Ever since the update, all I've been getting are buttloads of Razorbacks and Flare Guns. ONLY those two, nothing else.

[darthbudge]

All I have been getting is Ubersaws and Natashas.

[DukeEdwardI]

Update out today:
http://store.steampowered.com/news/2743/

Team Fortress 2


Updated PL_Hoodoo. Changes from community mapmaker Tim Johnson:

"Added a balcony at 2-1 that I've rotated and cleaned up so it's a much better point, it attracts less sentry spam but is still holdable. 2-2 has a bit more breathing room and the one way route between BLU/RED spawn in stage 3 has gone and in its place some stairs up to the second level accessible from BLU's side."

Added "tf_ctf_bonus_time" ConVar to set the CritBoost bonus time for capturing the intelligence (0 to disable it)
Added "tf_arena_first_blood" ConVar to toggle the first blood feature in Arena mode (0 to disable it)
Added missing snowpuff particles for DX8 players
Fixed rocket jumping
Fixed sticky bomb attachment to props. They will now only ignore the saws in sawmill
Fixed Scouts going into reference pose in double jumps
Fixed the Ubersaw not displaying team colors
Fixed Spies disguised as RED Scouts not cloaking properly
Removed two more text messages for TF_FLAGTYPE_ATTACK_DEFEND CTF game mode

[Chaos1232]

Can't play TF2. Every time I open it, it automatically closes within 10 seconds. Anybody else experiencing this?

[SOSTrooper]

Restart steam to see if that helps. Even if you could play though, most servers aren't updated yet so you get the typical 'water particle error' when joining an outdated server anyway.

[carpwrist]

They did a couple of updates today. the last one was at 6pm PST

[SOSTrooper]

<3 having my rj back.

[NTolerance]

No ubersaw fix. Another buff for the spy.

[KhaosX]

18 new hats and I still don't have one...

[Sir_Fragalot]

Hmm I just got an error yesterday saying my pl_hoodoo_final is not the same as the server's. Should I just delete the map and have the server re download it?

[Hydro2Oxide]

Hmm I just got an error yesterday saying my pl_hoodoo_final is not the same as the server's. Should I just delete the map and have the server re download it?

It's likely that server hasn't updated the latest version.

[SEH]

18 new hats and I still don't have one...

You aren't alone. I play daily for at least two hours and I've yet to unlock a single hat. Hell, I've only seen someone else find a hat one time.

[Brak]

I wish I took a screenshot of my 12 Force-A-Natures. :cry:

[silautumn]

Hey, does anybody happen to have a spare Guest Pass that they wouldn't mind parting with? I'm trying to get my friend on TF2 and we want to see how it runs on his laptop. My guest pass apparently expired even though I only bought the game a few months ago.

[Hydro2Oxide]

Can't you just let him borrow your account?

[silautumn]

yeah, that's a good point. i didn't even think about that. thanks.

[darthbudge]

I finally found The Cloak and Dagger and it is awesome. It makes playing as a spy like 100x more fun for me.

[SOSTrooper]

I finally found The Cloak and Dagger and it is awesome. It makes playing as a spy like 100x more fun for me.

Haha cloak and dagger is definitely fun, since I'm probably the worst spy around. It's the only time where I get to stand around and not get killed while watching everyone pass by.

I dont think I'll ever master spy though, way too different than playing soldier or demoman.

[sotc1988]

I never play as spy because when I do I am only good enough to get one kill per life. That's not a good spy so I stick to other classes, even if I wish I was good at it. I found the Dead Ringer pretty useful since you can charge in, fake die, and loop around. Only problem is the charge time kind of sucks.

[Sleepkyng]

dead ringer is good if you play spy a lot - you basically can't die if you play it right.

C&D is for noobs / stalking / actually spying and reporting to your team.

invis watch is for going on knife chain kills.

[Admiral Ackbar]

Dead ringer is terrible. Unless you're a noob the dead ringer is too obvious. You can pretty much tell instantly when a spy has the dead ringer.

[KhaosX]

I wish I took a screenshot of my 12 Force-A-Natures. :cry:


http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197967046547

I take pride in my level 0 backburner and level 100 ubersaw :)


http://www.tf2items.com/ for those who want to show off their own

[judyjudyjudy]

http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197967046547

I take pride in my level 0 backburner and level 100 ubersaw :)


http://www.tf2items.com/ for those who want to show off their ownThat's an awesome link.

I just saw my husband's and my other friend's backpacks and LOL'd at how anal retentive they are at organizing their stuff.

Edited to add: Khaos, my friend has his backpack just like yours, identical items adjacent and in level order. My husband put all the same items in their own columns

[Sleepkyng]

Dead ringer is terrible. Unless you're a noob the dead ringer is too obvious. You can pretty much tell instantly when a spy has the dead ringer.

IF you don't know the maps, then yes, it is terrible.

if you know the maps, and know the best places to decloak and are patient, DR is I think the best.

Picking up ammunition is key to using it and staying alive.

also - my hilarious backpack: http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197999409610

[Nohbdy]

Picking up ammunition is key to using it and staying alive.

Ammo does what with a DR?

[LinkinPrime]

IF you don't know the maps, then yes, it is terrible.

if you know the maps, and know the best places to decloak and are patient, DR is I think the best.

Picking up ammunition is key to using it and staying alive.

also - my hilarious backpack: http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197999409610

Damm dude, that's a shitload of stuff! I've got like 3 items, I need to play some more TF2.

[Sleepkyng]

Damm dude, that's a shitload of stuff! I've got like 3 items, I need to play some more TF2.

i earned most of the unlocks, except for the sniper ones i think.

but I get an item pretty much every hour.


for Dead Ringer - ammo replenishes cloak.

[SOSTrooper]

Yea I've gotten so much items that I had to delete stuff. Nowadays I just decline I'm keeping the weapons altogether. I just keep the hats I found. I got two so far, and I play at least 2 hrs a day.

[Sleepkyng]

i still dont' have any hats, but i'm not crazy like some people who freak out about not getting them.

[Brak]

I use the Dead Ringer when I'm on defense; Cloak & Dagger on offense.

[SEH]

Here's my backpack:
http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197963902091

It used to be full until like two days ago when I organized everything. I've yet to find that damn Cloak and Dagger. I basically just find Blutsaugers, Natashas, and Atomic Punch.

[Brak]

http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197991710088

[shinryuu]

Here's all my junk:
http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197977146997

[sotc1988]

What happens when all the spaces are filled? I've been deleting some of the extra stuff to make room but was just wondering. Only thing I need is the Ax-tinguisher.

[SOSTrooper]

When they're all filled, and you get another item from playing, it's going to make you sort through the inventory to delete one item to make room for the item you just got during your respawn time. But I don't see why the spaces should all be filled. You really just need one of each weapon, and the hats don't occupy the inventory space.

[SEH]

When they're all filled, and you get another item from playing, it's going to make you sort through the inventory to delete one item to make room for the item you just got during your respawn time. But I don't see why the spaces should all be filled. You really just need one of each weapon, and the hats don't occupy the inventory space.

I kept more than one of each because there was talk awhile ago about Valve implementing a trading system. Although, that was also back when the unlockable weapons actually had levels higher than 10, so maybe that isn't happening anymore.

[Nohbdy]

Although, that was also back when the unlockable weapons actually had levels higher than 10

They still do.

[Chaos1232]

They still do.
No they don't.

I think he's talking about stuff like Level 100 and 53 items. The Sandvich, Kritzkrieg, and K.G.B are at their default levels even though it's not level 5, 10, or 15.

[SEH]

Yeah. For like a month weapons had levels ranging from 1-100. Now they're just all at their defaults (unless you have one that you unlocked during said time period).

I said that because it'd make sense to have a trading system if there were all kinds of different levels (with higher levels doing more damage), but it would now be kind of pointless since everything is the same.

[Serik]

I said that because it'd make sense to have a trading system if there were all kinds of different levels (with higher levels doing more damage), but it would now be kind of pointless since everything is the same.

That would absolutely ruin Team Fortress 2. As an FPS, TF2 should be entirely skill-based (I detest random crits for this reason); some bozo shouldn't have an advantage just because he stumbled on a level 500 backburner instead of a level 20. There's also numerous inherent problems with visually communicating a weapon's damage output. I hoped, however, that Valve would keep the levels in as a joke since you have people accusing TF2 of becoming an MMO.

[SEH]

That would absolutely ruin Team Fortress 2. As an FPS, TF2 should be entirely skill-based (I detest random crits for this reason); some bozo shouldn't have an advantage just because he stumbled on a level 500 backburner instead of a level 20. There's also numerous inherent problems with visually communicating a weapon's damage output. I hoped, however, that Valve would keep the levels in as a joke since you have people accusing TF2 of becoming an MMO.

Oh, I definitely agree, I was just saying that a trading system, if they were to implement it, would make more sense with leveled weapons. But yeah, I totally agree that an FPS should be completely skill based.

[Hydro2Oxide]

Oh, I definitely agree, I was just saying that a trading system, if they were to implement it, would make more sense with leveled weapons. But yeah, I totally agree that an FPS should be completely skill based.

Hats.

[Sleepkyng]

I use the Dead Ringer when I'm on defense; Cloak & Dagger on offense.

yeah, DR on Gold Rush defense is crazy powerful.

I use C&D now and again, but i'm too impatient.

what's your steam id brackles?

we should play sometime.

[Brak]

yeah, DR on Gold Rush defense is crazy powerful.

I use C&D now and again, but i'm too impatient.

what's your steam id brackles?

we should play sometime.
I exclusively play Gold Rush, for some reason. :o

http://steamcommunity.com/id/brax0r

[Sleepkyng]

gaah, everyone and their damn hat idle

[Sporadic]

You've got to be fucking kidding me

Over the next few days we'll be removing all TF2 items that were earned using external idling applications. We're going to adopt a zero tolerance policy for external applications used to manipulate the persistent item system. Due to us not having a policy in place prior to today, this time we're only removing the items earned through cheating the system. Going forward, if we find users using external applications, we'll remove all of their items. If you're interested, only about 4.5% of the players in TF2's community will be affected by this cleansing process.

Meanwhile, everyone who took the moral high road will soon be finding a new hat in their inventory. We've also significantly increased the chance of finding any of the existing hats.

We realize there is a high level of demand for items, and we're still working on systems to allow you to find them in new ways (via Trading, and crafting duplicates into desired items). However, we need to draw the line at running external applications.

[LinkinPrime]

Fuck!

Meanwhile, everyone who took the moral high road will soon be finding a new hat in their inventory. We've also significantly increased the chance of finding any of the existing hats.

That right there would have probably been my only chance to get one as I haven't scored squat!

[Nohbdy]

Suckers. :3c

[Sporadic]

I did get a halo :)

[RAMSTORIA]

ive been in achievement servers, but ive never used a 3rd party program. i dont feel bad about using achievement servers, its the only way i was going to get things for scout, heavy, medic... classes i rarely play. of course this was before the random item dropping.

[Nohbdy]

The hat is an angel's halo called Cheater's Lament.

It has Level 1 Aura of Incorruptibility. (IF ONLY THIS MEANT TO HALT TEAM SWITCHING)

Any class can use it.

[Serik]

So my understanding is that external idling applications =/= idling servers. Is this correct? I ask because I used an idling server for about 4 hours the other day (temptation got the better of me), but decided it wasn't worth wasting electricity on idling a TF2 character :p

[NTolerance]

Hehe, sweet.

I don't fully understand how this all works though. I didn't idle and just got an Engineer's Cap. I also can optionally equip all my classes with the Cheater's Lament halo. Are idlers forced to wear the halo or something?

[Sporadic]

Hehe, sweet.

I don't fully understand how this all works though. I didn't idle and just got an Engineer's Cap. I also can optionally equip all my classes with the Cheater's Lament halo. Are idlers forced to wear the halo or something?

No, they don't get one.

[neverletthem]

I idled, and got most of my stuff taken away. Am I mad they really didn't warn us? Yes. Valve handled the situation horribly. But do I really care that my items are gone? Nope. I'll get them back.

[LinkinPrime]

Well...that was fast:

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/9623/uhoh.png

Yup...all my stuff is gone:

http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561198001295719

[Salamando3000]

Their 4.5% number seems highly suspect, or it only takes into consideration whether you own the game of not. The idler, for the past few weeks, has had at least 10k people connected to it. When you consider that people leave the server, join the server, etc, it's possible that 14k or 15k people have ever connected to it. While it's hard to determine the number of active TF2 players, the generally quoted number is around 20k. Even inflated a bit to around 40k, that still means 37% of people that still play the game idled.

[LinkinPrime]

The halo thing is a weird incentive. It's going to make it so common that no one will care.

[sotc1988]

I can't get mad at them for this but I am a little bummed that some of the items I earned through achievements were taken.

[Owen]

I got my Halo but for some reason it does not show up in my Backpack like it does for this user even though I have a bunch of open spots:

http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197999842654

[Hydro2Oxide]

Man these 4.5% folks who are whining are seriously getting on my nerves. It's in the EULA that using 3rd party programs can be punishable with no warning. While that normally means banhammer, they got creative with this one.

Anyhow, for all those 4.5% groups out there I made the 95.5% group (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/ninetyfivers).

[Hydro2Oxide]

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11117879&postcount=16

Regular items you have achievements for but were deleted will be returned.

[SqueeMK2]

Their 4.5% number seems highly suspect, or it only takes into consideration whether you own the game of not. The idler, for the past few weeks, has had at least 10k people connected to it. When you consider that people leave the server, join the server, etc, it's possible that 14k or 15k people have ever connected to it. While it's hard to determine the number of active TF2 players, the generally quoted number is around 20k. Even inflated a bit to around 40k, that still means 37% of people that still play the game idled.
That would be the peak for one day. TF2 hit 28k peak players today, but not everyone plays all day, and not everyone plays every day. 4.5% total players using the idler seems likely.

[Serik]

heh why do people take hats so seriously?

sidenote: the soldier looks ridiculous without a helmet covering half his face.

[Oktoberfest]

heh why do people take hats so seriously?

sidenote: the soldier looks ridiculous without a helmet covering half his face.

because they look awesome

[Hydro2Oxide]

heh why do people take hats so seriously?

Only reason I made that 95% group is because of all these silly 4.5% groups trying to turn their shit situation in to a sign of being a rebel and complete badass. A very mild troll if you will.

sidenote: the soldier looks ridiculous without a helmet covering half his face.

Agreed. I only have it on Pyro, Demo and Medic. The 3 classes it doesn't effect (Spy's head is too small and there's a bug where you can see it when he's invisible.)

[Salamando3000]

heh why do people take hats so seriously?

sidenote: the soldier looks ridiculous without a helmet covering half his face.

1) Because they're rare. The easiest way to make someone covet something is to make it rare.

2) There are two ways for someone to stand out amongst their peers...with a Hat, or be exceptionally good. One of these takes a lot of time, strategy, and patience...the other doesn't.


Now that I see they're replacing weapons obtained through milestones, this isn't that bad. I don't really agree with what they did, but its not like I lost anything I worked for. I am, however, waiting for them to sell the item drop mechanic to people who already have all weapons. I wonder why they removed the random level weapon stuff....seemed like harmless fun.

[RAMSTORIA]

heh why do people take hats so seriously?

sidenote: the soldier looks ridiculous without a helmet covering half his face.

the reason i get all worked up about hats is because i have none (well i have the halo now) but i have multiple sandmans, backburners, flareguns, sandviches, razorbacks, etc.

[Brak]

Man these 4.5% folks who are whining are seriously getting on my nerves.
This might be more pathetic than the people whining, actually.

Stop reading their posts.

"Problem" solved.

[SOSTrooper]

sidenote: the soldier looks ridiculous without a helmet covering half his face.


Yeah haha.... I'm gonna take the halo off my soldier.

[Sleepkyng]

the took all my excess items, even ones i got on random drops,

not a big deal because i have all the unlocks, except for some reason they took my sandman as well...