Team Fortress 2 Discussion Thread

[Hydro2Oxide]

This might be more pathetic than the people whining, actually.

Stop reading their posts.

"Problem" solved.

Oh but it doesn't stop there. In game, IRC, steam friends messages, it goes on and on and on.

[Brak]

It'll pass.

[Sleepkyng]

actually, it makes killing people that much easier.

there's also something satisfying about the faded halo that floats there after you've fragged someone.

[Nohbdy]

By the way, does the halo affect Spy cloak and disguise?

[Tsukento]

Yes. Currently it makes it easy to see cloaked and disguised Spies wearing a Halo. :\

Caught on to this yesterday when I kept getting easily spotted until someone from the other team kindly pointed out to me that they could see a floating halo whenever I cloaked.

[NTolerance]

The whole halo thing is quite a hilarious experiment. Basically what you have here is a bunch of mega-OCD players. They've got to have every unlockable in a game, rare or not, and they've got to have it RIGHT NOW. Hell, I know lots of people jump into achievement servers right after a class update to get all the new unlocks but never actually play the game until the next class update where they do it all over again.

Anyways, back to halos. The best part about all this is that Valve is keeping a precious item away from the OCD players. It doesn't matter what it is, they must have it, but they can't. Valve could make the next hat update a series of penis hats, literal dickheads if you will, and these guys would have to collect every one.

Great stuff.

[Nohbdy]

The whole TF2 Steam forum is nothing but about the idler.

I just dealt with some moron who wanted to endorse a Valve-approved idler.

They couldn't accept there already was one. It was simply TF2 running all night. He argued that the idler would let him continue work on his computer because it didn't eat up processing.

Really? Is that what they're asking for?

[Brak]

The whole halo thing is quite a hilarious experiment. Basically what you have here is a bunch of mega-OCD players. They've got to have every unlockable in a game, rare or not, and they've got to have it RIGHT NOW. Hell, I know lots of people jump into achievement servers right after a class update to get all the new unlocks but never actually play the game until the next class update where they do it all over again.

Anyways, back to halos. The best part about all this is that Valve is keeping a precious item away from the OCD players. It doesn't matter what it is, they must have it, but they can't. Valve could make the next hat update a series of penis hats, literal dickheads if you will, and these guys would have to collect every one.

Great stuff.
Did you pat yourself on the back after proofreading this?

[NTolerance]

http://i32.tinypic.com/2iiaiad.jpg

[Sleepkyng]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndZoP4yctqA&feature=player_embedded

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM0Np_fVX-g&feature=player_embedded

you make the call

[Nohbdy]

Pyro is love.

[Kyo]

Whoa, haven't seen a pyro played like that.

[Hydro2Oxide]

While B||oodsire is a good pyro, the editing on that video is terrible. He really ought to have taken the time to make a good video or had someone do it. Also, I hate to belittle it so much but most those players are very bad.

Other than that though, I love that video. Always fun to watch.

[Tsukento]

Second video has one flaw: He didn't put out his teammates at the 13 second mark.

Nothing more aggravating than a Pyro who uses a Flamethrower that won't put out his team if they're on fire.

...Okay, it's just as aggravating as a Medic that only overheals one god damned person in the team, no matter how many times you spam "MEDIC!" Especially when said overhealed person is constantly getting Sniped, blown up or Back Stabbed.


As for the whole Halo situation, both sides are acting retarded. You have the idlers who feel they're entitled to their weapons/hats, as well as feeling asspained for being called cheaters, as well as hating people for wearing Halos. Then you have the people rubbing it in that they didn't use an idling program and what not.

For starters, regardless if it has an effect on how you play or not, Valve's ToS for TF2 say they have the right to do what they please with your account if you're caught using ANY kind of 3rd party program that isn't supported by them. People are not getting the fact that Valve isn't punishing for idling; they punished people using a 3rd party program that is against the ToS.

Next, why the butthurt over the items being removed? It's not like they can't be accessed at all again. Hats have always been RANDOM drops, so there's no effort needed to get them. And weapons are easily obtainable via playing for a good while and achievements. Valve only removed the obtained items, nothing more. They COULD have deleted and banned accounts, yet people go batshit crazy over item removal.

Then you have people refusing to play with other players properly should one have a Halo. It's a free hat. Some people may have absolutely no hats other than the Halo and want to wear it. Don't be a douchebag by not healing or helping your team mate if they're in trouble while wearing a Halo. There's no reason to hold a grudge against people who opted not to use an idler. I can understand if it's someone being a dick, but not if it's solely because of the Halo.

Now, if the person IS being a dick...by all means, don't heal them or put them out if they're on fire. :) Griefing assholes is always fun.

[Hydro2Oxide]

Second video has one flaw: He didn't put out his teammates at the 13 second mark.

Nothing more aggravating than a Pyro who uses a Flamethrower that won't put out his team if they're on fire.

...Okay, it's just as aggravating as a Medic that only overheals one god damned person in the team, no matter how many times you spam "MEDIC!" Especially when said overhealed person is constantly getting Sniped, blown up or Back Stabbed.

HueyLewis116
February 14, 2009
:roll:

[Brak]

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/4041/6p2mo9.jpg

[Genocidal]

I've found a good solution to all the douchebaggery of those who will only heal others with/without halos is to play Medic yourself and be an indiscriminate healer. Not the best if you don't want to heal the whole round, but far better than getting steamrolled because your team is stubborn with their heals.

[SOSTrooper]

I don't really see the fuss about idling programs or having X amount of items or even having the halo. The halo is ugly on my soldier so I don't wear it anymore. I've gotten all my items already thru the random drop system, I have 3 hats but they're for classes that I don't play. I play better without a pocket medic because I only have to protect myself. I don't engage in conversation while playing either.

Come to think of it I'm quite a terrible teamplayer haha.

[N3UROP0D]

I agree with you, the halo is just plain ugly, especially on soldiers (my favorite class).

I didn't get a halo 'cause I used the idler overnight once or twice. Compared to the time I actually spent playing the game it was nothing, but either way I don't really care. And yes, the hats are stupid and purely cosmetic and they don't do anything, but with the amount of time I've spent playing this game it's insane that I don't have one.

[Kaijufan]

Really the best thing for Valve to do at this point is let you turn your duplicate weapons into hats. Maybe something like 5-10 items for a class can turn into a random hat for that class.

[Brak]

They should give everyone a random Halloween mask for Halloween. 8-)

[Owen]

Really the best thing for Valve to do at this point is let you turn your duplicate weapons into hats. Maybe something like 5-10 items for a class can turn into a random hat for that class.

This plan would still lead to lots of complaints from people since they will have deleted a lot of duplicate items while waiting for the trade system to be implemented. Since this is Valve (and they are not the quickest developers around), I do not really expect to see the trade system implemented this year or it might be like their Christmas gift to the players. I kind of gave up on the hats since they are so hard to get and adding even more has not made this batch or the previous ones any easier to get.

[Nohbdy]

IT IS BETA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpCr-5JRU2U

[Sporadic]

IT IS BETA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpCr-5JRU2U

Pretty sure that is fake after reading the translated Russian forum that came from.

[Hydro2Oxide]

Pretty sure that is fake after reading the translated Russian forum that came from.

These items have been posted about for weeks from many different sources, whether or not their actual in game application is fake (In this video), the items are real.

[Nohbdy]

As far as I know, they're actual beta items that may or may not see the light of day.

[Hydro2Oxide]

As far as I know, they're actual beta items that may or may not see the light of day.

Just a note, most the beta testers have stressed that the Blut and Ubersaw don't need to be downgraded, but that Syringe and Bonesaw need upgrades. It's unlikely those 2 will see the light of day.

[DukeEdwardI]

Update released. Pretty interesting...

http://store.steampowered.com/news/2825/

Engine


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Additions / Changes


Backpack improvement

Added support for 100 slots in the backpack
Backpack can now be sorted by type
Multi-selection in the backpack is now done by holding down the Ctrl key

Alt-fire on the Sandvich now drops sandviches

A single sandvich can be dropped at a time. Dropping the sandvich removes it from the Heavy
A Heavy can regain his sandvich by collecting a healthkit while already being at full health
Eating a sandvich using the taunt method now heals a Heavy to full health
Dropped sandviches heal 50% of the collector's health

Medic regen changes

Base regen amount increased from 1/sec to 3/sec
Regen amount increase since time of last damage decreased from 3x to 2x
End result of above: Old healing scaled from 1/sec to 3/sec based on time since being damaged (maxed out at 10 seconds). New healing scales from 3/sec to 6/sec

Blutsauger

Replaced "No critical hits" negative attribute with "-2 health drained per second on wearer"
Health drain stacks on top of the above Medic regen changes, lowering the base regen by 2h/sec

Added "mp_windifference" server ConVar (default to 0)

When set to X, matches will be considered won if a team gets X points ahead of the other team

Added a "Remember the active weapon between lives" option to the Multiplayer->Advanced options dialog
Added "Disable weather effects" option to the Multiplayer->Advanced options dialog
Added "Show non-standard items on spectated player" option to the Multiplayer->Advanced options dialog

If set (default), it'll show non-standard items being carried by the player you're spectating

Tournament mode changes

New item whitelist allowing tournaments to control what items can be used by players



Added "item_whitelist_example.txt"
Added "item_show_whitelistable_definitions" command to get a list of whitelistable items

Added Tournament mode Spectator HUD

Added "Use advanced spectator HUD in tournament mode" option to the Multiplayer->Advanced options dialog
Shows all the members of your team (or both if you're a spectator) at the top of the screen, along with class/health/respawn time/charge level



Spectator indices are now shown on the team members, and hitting the corresponding weapon selection key (slot1-slot12 commands) will spectate them

Changed idle player check to include spectators & players who haven't chosen a team


Bug Fixes


Fixed explosive radius detection using an axially aligned box instead of a sphere

Compensated by increasing the radius of grenades, pipes, and rockets to 50% of what they lost at the corners of the OBB
Grenades/Pipes radius change: 132->159
Rocket radius change: 121->146
End result of above: Explosives have had their radius reduced at some angles, and increased at others. Radius is now consistent, angles are now irrelevant

Fixed Sniper using the reference pose if he has the Huntsman deployed when his team loses
Fixed Spies speaking their response rules lines after killing a player as the class they were disguised as
Fixed Medics getting MedicCallerPanels in their HUD for cloaked enemy Spies disguised as their team
Fixed the Huntsman not firing crit arrows when the Sniper is being CritBoosted
Fixed being able to fire the Huntsman under water if you jump into the water with the arrow charged
Added check to prevent clients using the "firstperson" command to get out of thirdperson view while they're phasing, taunting or control stunned
Fixed Halo glow effect not being hidden for cloak/disguised enemy Spies
Fixed wearables not destroying their attached particles when they're removed
Fixed several player & viewmodel simulation issues that occurred when the game was paused
Fixed a DX8-based exploit that allowed modified particle effects to work under sv_pure 2


Community Requests


Added the entindex() of the object being built to the "player_builtobject" game event
Added flag to allow CTF map authors to turn off the Overtime mode when timers expire
Added IgnitePlayer input to TFPlayer

[judyjudyjudy]

Medic changes are interesting. I guess I'll be switching back to the syringe gun, as I don't think the blutsauger was that much more helpful. Hopefully this means less burning to death on top of a health pack.

Are they adding a lot more hats or something? 100 slots seems like a lot. It's nice that Heavy can share his sandvich now.

[Owen]

They are probably adding the extra slots since most of the testers had full backpacks and could not test a lot of new items without deleting stuff and they need to make sure to have room for the other class unlockables that are still needed.

[SEH]

Great, so the Blutsauger, what was already one of the more OP guns in the game, gets crits. Ugh.

[Hydro2Oxide]

Great, so the Blutsauger, what was already one of the more OP guns in the game, gets crits. Ugh.

Overpowered. So you're saying medics were running around ruling the game with their bluts?

Yeah.

[Salamando3000]

They are probably adding the extra slots since most of the testers had full backpacks and could not test a lot of new items without deleting stuff and they need to make sure to have room for the other class unlockables that are still needed.

Previously, if you had every hat and every unlock, you wouldn't have enough space in your bag for it all. Although such an occurrence is statistically improbably, it could still happen. Plus, the added inventory space will allow us to accrue weapons and such for whenever their trading/crafting system actually goes live.

[SEH]

Overpowered. So you're saying medics were running around ruling the game with their bluts?

Yeah.

When you cant kill them because their gun gives them health, yet they can kill you pretty fast, its ridiculous. Now they have crits too, which only makes it worse.

[Genocidal]

When you cant kill them because their gun gives them health, yet they can kill you pretty fast, its ridiculous. Now they have crits too, which only makes it worse.
Play better.

[SEH]

Play better.

I play just fine. I'm generally always in the top three on any given team. The Blutsauger is just an OP gun. Its not like there is some epidemic with everyone using it, but when you do encounter a medic that uses it, its a total pain in the ass to kill them with basically anything that isn't the flamethrower.

[Genocidal]

I play just fine. I'm generally always in the top three on any given team. The Blutsauger is just an OP gun. Its not like there is some epidemic with everyone using it, but when you do encounter a medic that uses it, its a total pain in the ass to kill them with basically anything that isn't the flamethrower.

Pretty much the opposite of the truth. Let me rephrase then: play better and play against better people.

[Sleepkyng]

lol blutsauger whining.

[Tsukento]

Bluts users only really gain just the benefit of being able to Crit since the negative aspect interacts with Medic regen, causing it to act like the regen rate of before the update. That's all, really. Medics with Syringe Gun get a better regen rate and can crit.

Only difference is that Bluts will heal if you actually shoot and hit anyone.

But either way, if you're getting owned by a Medic, you're clearly failing hard...unless it's by surprise Ubersaw.

[Nohbdy]

http://www.teamfortress.com/images/posts/app_pending_02.jpg

http://www.teamfortress.com

[Tsukento]

It's a joke post. Someone made a fake update and Valve made a post to them in regards to it.

[Brak]

But the registration return form states that the idea is under evaluation.

[Monsyphon]

Anyone get an error from joining servers, that when you join a server, you get in a server, you find no players in it

[BlueLobstah]

Some servers operators like to falsify the number of connected players. If that happens, I just make a note to ignore that server and never return.

[Tsukento]

But the registration return form states that the idea is under evaluation.
It means they're just seeing what everyone thinks about it, really.

[Brak]

It means they're just seeing what everyone thinks about it, really.
Ah. Yes. Hence, "under evaluation".

[El Gray]

Anyone around here play much anymore? Just got a new rig, and would like to get into a few games.

[seen]

Myself and a few others still play, but with Borderlands out I expect most people to be playing that.

[Genocidal]

Nightly, but not for the past few days because of Borderlands.

[crystalklear64]

On occasion.

[judyjudyjudy]

I was playing daily, but then I've been busy the last couple weeks. Doesn't matter, cuz all the regs I play with are playing Borderlands anyway. I'm bummed I missed out on the Steam deal.

[crystalklear64]

Halloween Update.

Game costs 2.49$ and new halloween masks and a level.

You could have gotten a free hat too like the soldier medal, but of course they were all gone before anyone could actually get one.

http://www.teamfortress.com/pumpkinpatch/

[judyjudyjudy]

You could have gotten a free hat too like the soldier medal, but of course they were all gone before anyone could actually get one.Lies!

(I just got one.)

[LinkinPrime]

That Halloween update looks pretty cool, I'll definitely have to play tonight through the weekend.

Free hat? How?

[Salamando3000]

Okay, now that we've weeded out all the quitters, here's how to get a Gibus of your very own. You know those smug hat-wearing so-and-so's who didn't tell you where to get a hat the first time around? Go dominate one of them while they're flaunting the Gibus and we'll give you one of your own! It's the exact same hat--but better, because unlike them, you will have earned it!
Source - http://www.teamfortress.com/pumpkinpatch/gibus/

Looks like Borderlands goes on hold for a bit while I go hat-huntin...or until I find someone with a hat that will let me dominate them, willingly.

[LinkinPrime]

Thanks for the info Salamando, I'll be doing the same later today.

[Gothic Walrus]

Finally, I own the game for the PC. This means I can forget I even own the 360 version. :D

[Hydro2Oxide]

Thanks for the heads up, I'll be off now to get my hat!

[sotc1988]

Haven't played in at least a month but this new update has me giddy.

[Brak]

I can't wait to see the new hats.

[NTolerance]

Wait, how long are the new achivements/hats available?

[tokitoki50]

I got both the new hats. They're pretty nifty, and they're my first hats ever besides cheater's lamant, after 100+ hours since the hat update.

[Owen]

So what is need to get both, I know you need to dominate a Heavy ( at least going by that picture), what about the other?

[tokitoki50]

You need to dominate someone who has the hat equipped, and then you need to collect 20 pumpkins from the event map. There are a few more achievements but they don't seem to give you anything.

I got the 5 event achievements without much issue. The hardest one was the domination one but I got lucky as Pyro.

[Sporadic]

So what is need to get both, I know you need to dominate a Heavy ( at least going by that picture), what about the other?

No.

To get the busted up tophat, you need to dominate somebody who already has it and is wearing it.
To get the bag, you need to collect 20 pieces of candy from dead players.

You can only get those two while playing on the new event map.

[Droenixjpn]

I want to get those hats, the only hat I have is the Cheater's Lambent. I'll be playing a lot of TF2 this weekend, but then there's that Champions Online free weekend to...

[Genocidal]

You can get the hats in about an hour of pubbing on the new map, although the Gibus might be hard if no one has theirs equipped.

[Brak]

Got 'em.

Can't wait for Christmas. :]

[Droenixjpn]

Yeah, I got the hats to. To bad the Bag is only for Halloween, but at least the Gibus hat is forever. :D

[Droenixjpn]

HEY EVERYONE! TF2 IS NOW $2.50 until 7 PDT! Just like yesterday, the price is Way cheaper.

[sotc1988]

Right on, got both my hats. I think the other achievements might be a little tough for the weekend but we'll see.

[Droenixjpn]

The achievements are not to hard to get, I got them all pretty easily. :D

[LinkinPrime]

I got the achievement for the Gibus and it didn't give me the hat >:[

I did however get the paper bag...that one is pretty cool. The other 2 achievements I need, I probably wont' get...there's the kill a spy disguised as your class, and kill 5 enemies with pumpkins...I only got one so far.

[Droenixjpn]

It's easiest to find a small server and ask someone to go spy and let you kill them disguised as your class. That's how I got it.

To bad the paper bag goes away after Halloween. :(

[Owen]

They should keep the bag usable on that new map at least after Halloween. The ghost scare then taunting to do the Thriller dance is pretty funny. I wonder how long before we see someone do a TF2 Thriller video on Youtube.

[Droenixjpn]

I bet there's one already made.

[LinkinPrime]

The paper bag is temporary? Damn it!

[Gothic Walrus]

I got the achievement for the Gibus and it didn't give me the hat >:[

Are you sure? I didn't have any problems, I heard some people saying that the unlock for the hat didn't trigger right away and that they had to exit the game and restart it for the item to appear. It's worth a shot.

The paper bag is temporary? Damn it!

Probably. It says "Halloween only" in the description, although what that actually means is anyone's guess until Valve updates again.

[Droenixjpn]

I hope they actually keep this map in the database, it's pretty damn fun. :3

[Baron O Hell]

Well it made me dust off the old TF2 and come out and play a few rounds with my high ass ping. I hate my internet. They should at least keep it up for a week.

[ammowasted]

Just bought this yesterday for $2.50, and I am in love. I get about 25-30 FPS just walking around, low/medium settings on 1280x768, and it drops to about 15ish during huge firefights in a 30 man server, but it's playable. I'm probably going to buy a new video card soon just to play this. Anyone have experience with a 9500GT? I have a pentium 4 2.8GHz with 1.5GB of ram...not looking to play anything more intensive than TF2...

[Genocidal]

9500GT is made more for media center/HTPCs. I'd go for a 9600GT, fairly cheap and solid low-mid performance.

[Serik]

Just bought this yesterday for $2.50, and I am in love. I get about 25-30 FPS just walking around, low/medium settings on 1280x768, and it drops to about 15ish during huge firefights in a 30 man server, but it's playable. I'm probably going to buy a new video card soon just to play this. Anyone have experience with a 9500GT? I have a pentium 4 2.8GHz with 1.5GB of ram...not looking to play anything more intensive than TF2...

If you're having performance problems, try playing on 24-person servers. Valve once said something about how performance falls off a ledge once you get more than 24 people playing (i.e. the game wasn't designed for more than that).

[SativaSamurai]

On TF's website it said it would go back on sale to $2.50 for one last time until 1 PM PDT...

It's 12:44 PM PDT. Where is the discount on steam?

[silautumn]

On TF's website it said it would go back on sale to $2.50 for one last time until 1 PM PDT...

It's 12:44 PM PDT. Where is the discount on steam?

Look at the date of the blog post you're referring to.

[Brak]

Up to six hats, now. (Not counting the paper sack.)

http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197991710088

Finally got the Stainless Pot, yesterday. :bouncy:

[LinkinPrime]

New update released:
http://store.steampowered.com/news/3205/

[Megazell]

I could not get into this game when it came out. I still play TFC though. Could not put my finger on it but the game just could not keep my interest.

[Hydro2Oxide]

Secret announcer updates, new sounds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9uvQ_k8gqs

[judyjudyjudy]

New TF2 post:
http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=3219

Looks some sort of competition with your friends...?

[Sleepkyng]

oooooh fancy... can't wait for the update.

hopefully it's sollys and demos, but i bet it's engie.

[Genocidal]

Maybe we'll get some sort of global competition between soldier and demo, with the winner getting the next update. Doubtful, but it'd be cool.

Edit: Maybe a competition for destroying the most engineer buildings, and then Valve swerves us all and pushes out the engi update.

[SOSTrooper]

finally, my 2 fav. classes are in the news.

[DukeEdwardI]

Looking forward to the new update. Been meaning to start playing again. I haven't played since the first few hours of the scout update. That was an unpleasant experience.

[judyjudyjudy]

It's War (http://www.teamfortress.com/war/part1/index.htm).
Demo (http://www.teamfortress.com/demomanupdate) vs. Soldier (http://www.teamfortress.com/soldierupdate). Most kills gets a bonus weapon update.


TF2 blog post:
http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=3225

I predict much rocket and nade spam.

[Salamando3000]

Any words of any hats hidden on secret sites yet?

[SOSTrooper]

It's War (http://www.teamfortress.com/war/part1/index.htm).
Demo (http://www.teamfortress.com/demomanupdate) vs. Soldier (http://www.teamfortress.com/soldierupdate). Most kills gets a bonus weapon update.


TF2 blog post:
http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=3225

I predict much rocket and nade spam.

Heh... I think I'll be fine with either class getting the exclusive weapon. But I'm guessing soldier will win since there aren't too many skilled demomen out there to out-kill the soldiers.

[crystalklear64]

that sucks. i don't care about which class gets it, i'd care about which weapon was more awesome, and we don't get to see the weapons before hand, so its meh

[Serik]

Heh... I think I'll be fine with either class getting the exclusive weapon. But I'm guessing soldier will win since there aren't too many skilled demomen out there to out-kill the soldiers.

that'd be a problem if it took skill to kill soldiers as a RED demo on Dbowl or Gold Rush.

[Salamando3000]

If you want to talk about skewing the results towards a side using as little skill as possible, the easiest way has to be to just pick a side you want to win, join the other side, and die as many times as possible.

[judyjudyjudy]

that sucks. i don't care about which class gets it, i'd care about which weapon was more awesome, and we don't get to see the weapons before hand, so its mehI'm pretty sure it's the same weapon regardless of which class gets it. I'd imagine it's some joke weapon that has very little effect on the class balance.

[Serik]

well I racked up 40 demo kills tonight. demos probably killed me 20 times or so (couldn't be much more), so I came out ahead for the solly side.

on non-PL and cp maps, the demos usually suck. all of my deaths to demos were on gold rush.

tomorrow: I'll play as demo and die to the soldiers :lol:

[RAMSTORIA]

bah, i dont like the demo vs soldier thing... servers have too many of them now. i hope it doesnt last too long.

[darthbudge]

I definitely hope the Soldier gets this update.

[SOSTrooper]

I contributed 106 soldier deaths today as demoman. Soldier is still my fav. class of the 2; only reason I'm siding with demoman is because not enough people can play a decent demoman so I think those that stick with demoman as their main class should be rewarded.

[Tsukento]

I definitely hope the Soldier gets this update.
Both are getting the update. Thing is that only one class will get an extra item.

[RAMSTORIA]

Both are getting the update. Thing is that only one class will get an extra item.

and its sure to be a niche item that wont be worth much in the end

[Genocidal]

The same could be said of all the non-Medic class updates.

[Sporadic]

and its sure to be a niche item that wont be worth much in the end

you say that until my demo is flying around his brand new jetpack 8-)

[Salamando3000]

Day 1 Results - Soldier out to an early lead

1,290,988 Soldier's Killed
1,390,017 Demomen Killed

[sotc1988]

It's a good time to be a spy.

[KingDox]

I really want the demo man to get the new item and then Might actually play that class more often.

[SOSTrooper]

The numbers are much closer than I thought it would be, but there's no way demoman will win.

[neverletthem]

It's a good time to be a spy.

This. I play a lot of arena, and having most of the other team only caring about killing the opposite class and not bothering to spy check makes me one happy camper.

[Serik]

In my experience, most pub demos are complete crap on maps w/o chokepoints. KotH_Harvest provides easy demo hunting as soldier. I called it a night after dominating everyone on the opposite team with [DEMOMAN] in their name :p

[scarhawk]

I don't know about playing spy... With all the nades, stickys, rockets, all over the place, even cloaking won't help you. But if it's a big map then yeah.. But the soldier needs a new weapon more than demo. It can get extremely boring play soldier with no unique weapon but a rocket launcher. The shotgun isn't unique because lots of other classes have it. And the shovel just sucks. Demo on the otherhand has a nice grenade launcher and a sticky... launcher. So I'm happy soldier is winning. I'm fighting for him in the war :D

[Salamando3000]

More Updates!

Crafting! - http://www.teamfortress.com/crafting/
Saxton Hale! - http://www.teamfortress.com/war/saxtonhale/
Secret Monkey Page! - http://www.teamfortress.com/war/saxtonhale/poopyjoe.htm
And Soldiers further their lead, with a rough ~200k Demos more killed

[sotc1988]

Sounds awesome. I'm loving these comics.

[Salamando3000]

Yet More Updates!

The first two Demo Weapons revealed - http://www.teamfortress.com/demomanupdate/index.htm#item_1
The Comic Continues - http://www.teamfortress.com/war/demo/

For those too lazy to click, the first weapon is a Claymore to replace his Bottle. A killing blow grants decapitation...a decapitation grants you more health and more speed...however, you start out with initially lower health and cannot crit, unless used in conjunction with his next weapon...

Replacing the Sticky Launcher is a Shield. Equipping it provides significant Blast Damange and Fire resistance. Alt-firing allows you to charge forth, moving "faster than a scout can manage". Swinging your claymore during a medium charge grants a mini-crit, and a large-crit to a long charge.

[Sporadic]

Glad to see what side Valve is on

"Beginning's Luck About To Run Out

World's Easiest Class Ahead
Demoman Outnumbered But Not Outfought"

8-) fuck solders

[Hostile]

120 Demomen killed in 7:07 of gametime.

The WAR! hub looks updated but I can't see the other weapons!

[Salamando3000]

Yeah, It's been updated. Here's a complete rundown of all weapons announced thus far...

---Soldier---

the Direct Hit - Nobody can deny that, measured solely by their ability to blow people into chunky clouds of tomato soup, rockets are an incredible force for good in the world. But with their wide blast radius, they are not a particularly terrific weapon for showing off your sharpshooting skills.

Until now. A high precision version of the standard-issue rocket launcher, the Direct Hit has been engineered from the ground up for Soldiers who have mastered the art of shooting at their targets instead of vaguely near them. Those of you looking to deal splash damage, stop reading now: the Direct Hit has a 70% smaller blast radius than a traditional rocket launcher. But the rockets that come out of this thing move fast and hit hard: 80% faster and with 25% more destructive force. Best of all, for you real sharpshooters, the Direct Hit guarantees mini-crits on airborne targets.
the Equalizer - Back when your father and grandfather played Team Fortress 2, being bad at the game was so shameful, they would rage-quit (a lengthy, painful process that involved pulling burning coal from the computer’s furnace). Now, thanks to modern-day updates like these, there’s finally a good excuse. You didn’t misread that sentence: losing is now a strategy.

This melee-slot pickaxe becomes more deadly the more damage you take, letting you move faster and hit harder the more wounds you endure. Get close enough to death, and you will become Death himself.
the Buff Banner - Admit it: Every so often, you suspect you’re carrying your team. But other than rage-quitting, what can you do about it? How about motivating those lazy sons of bitches to put on their war face and fight?

Enter the morale-boosting Buff Banner. When this secondary-slot item is equipped, any damage you deal boosts a rage meter that, when full, lets you pull out your bugle and sound a call to war! For the next 14 seconds, every teammate who rallies round your flag will deal mini-crits.


---Demoman---

the Eyelander - The Eyelander holds to a principle all one-eyed Scotsmen with no depth perception have known for years: you don’t kill a man by mucking about with rifles, arrows, rocks, or other long-distance rubbish. You kill him by grabbing the biggest bloody sword you can find, running up nice and close to him, and chopping the dumb bastard’s head off.

Made with pattern-welded Damascus steel, this melee-slot weapon offers a guaranteed decapitation with every killing blow. Unfortunately, because it's haunted, it will suck away some of your soul: expect a decrease in your max health at the outset. However, once the blade feeds on neck, you’ll receive a boost in max health and speed. With each new protesting head you cleave (up to four), you’ll get healthier and faster.

The Eyelander will not deal critical hits unless used in conjunction with the Chargin’ Targe’s charge ability.
the Chargin' Targe - The Chargin’ Targe solves a centuries-old Scottish riddle, which is that shields exist. True, the shield might block the occasional sword blow. However, they are essentially weapons to be used for hiding behind, and this is a concept the average Scotsman does not understand. “If I were to pick up this cowering-plate, I would have to put down my second sword,” a Scotsman thinks. “And surely that is madness.” The Chargin’ Targe solves this riddle by turning the useless shield into a deadly weapon you can run at people with and then bludgeon to death.

The targe replaces your tried-and-true sticky bomb launcher, but offers some unique capabilities in return, especially when used with the Eyelander. Just equipping the Chargin’ Targe provides automatic +50% fire damage resistance and +65% blast damage resistance. But the Chargin’ Targe’s main perk lies in its name. Alt-firing will hurtle you toward an enemy at a punishingly damaging high speed (far faster than a Scout can manage).

Charging also boosts the lethality of your melee weapon. Land a melee hit during a medium length charge and you'll be guaranteed a mini-crit. Land a hit during a long distance charge, and your victim will receive devastating full crit damage.
the Scottish Resistance - Get your thinking pants on, because the Scottish Resistance is the thinking Demoman's sticky bomb launcher. Trading offensive capability for increased defensive power, the SR can lay down twice as many sticky bombs, as well as destroy enemy sticky bombs.

But hold on, thinking fans—there’s more! The SR lets you detonate specific groups of bombs instead of having to set them off all at once. The SR detonates whichever group of bombs the player is looking at, letting you control which clusters blow, and when. You’ll be able to lay more traps and guard multiple areas at a time.

But all this awesome thinking man stuff comes at a price, just like real thinking. The SR is less useful for air-bursts and close range combat, thanks to longer priming rate (0.4 seconds) per bomb.

And the kill counter for each is getting dangerously close. What're the odds of a tie and both/neither getting the fourth unlock?

[crystalklear64]

Something very interesting.

One of the soldier achievements:
Spray of Defeat
Use a grenade to gib a player.


Grenades... wuuuuuuuuuuuuut!?
Forth unlock is a grenade?

[Serik]

Grenade probably has something to do with a taunt kill.

The Soldier's bugle should prove extremely useful on A/D maps when BLU needs that extra push. Now combine the bugle buff with a sniper who jarates the cap point before the charge and you have some serious ownage.

[SOSTrooper]

Yep the demoman is closing the gap in total kills. Right now I don't really care who wins, as I play both classes equally. I will definitely be using the direct hit RL though ^_^

[Salamando3000]

The new sticky launcher looks to have major potential. Double the number of stickys (16)? Imagine how much of a push an uber'd demo could do with that much boom. Interestingly enough, since it also kills other Demo's stickys, the best counter for a SR Demo push is another SR Demo.

[carpwrist]

Something very interesting.

One of the soldier achievements:
Spray of Defeat
Use a grenade to gib a player.


Grenades... wuuuuuuuuuuuuut!?
Forth unlock is a grenade?

Saw that... i'm hoping it's the extra weapon that the Soldier will inevitable win...

http://www.teamfortress.com/soldierupdate/images/AchievementIcons/tf_soldier_spray_of_defeat.jpg
Spray of Defeat
Use a grenade to gib a player.

[RAMSTORIA]

interesting. the direct hit might actually make me play soldier more as ive never got the hang of splash damage. its my least played class right now.

[Hydro2Oxide]

Post on the forums from the guy who came up with the pickaxe, he got an email that detailed the taunt kill. It's for the pickaxe and he pulls out a grenade and kills himself. Smallish radius and average tauntkill speed.

[ChernobylCow]

Oh snap! I might have to play this again soon. Guys have any server recs? I pretty much only would play dustbowl. But I'm up for anything.

[darthbudge]

http://www.sourceop.com/

All of SourceOP's servers are great and usually filled with players at all hours.

[SOSTrooper]

Yeah I like the sourceop servers, they don't have the fake player count crap. I just wish Valve would just fix that.

[Salamando3000]

And the Update is live. The winner of the Soldier/Demo War! is the Soldier!. For their victory, they win the Gunboots, boots that greatly reduce the damage from explosion jumping.

Full update log

New Content



Added new control point map Gorge
Added new capture the flag map Double Cross
Added item crafting
Added work-in-progress TF Bots for beta testing in KOTH maps (blog post coming with more info)
Added headshot death animations
Added more backstab animations


Soldier


Added 35 new Soldier achievements
Added 4 new Soldier items
Added new Soldier Domination lines


Demoman


Added 35 new Demoman achievements
Added 3 new Demoman items
Added new Demoman Domination lines


Spy


Now pretends to be carrying the weapons & wearables of the target he's disguised as
Moved the Spy's camera-beard to the Misc loadout slot so he can equip it with a hat


Scout


The Sandman now only stuns on a max range hit (when you hear the cheering)
All shorter hits now force the enemy into the thirdperson fleeing state (also removed the damage reduction on them)


Minor changes


Added new options to the Multiplayer->Advanced dialog:

Combat text, which displays damage amounts you do to enemies.
Medic auto caller, which automatically shows you nearby friends at low health.
Heal target marker, which better highlights the target your medigun is locked onto.
Alternative Spy disguise menu, which lets you choose disguises using just the 1-3 keys.


Fixed being able to affect friendly pipes with airblast (they would unstick)
Added recharge sound to abilities with a recharge bar
Fixed attachable wearables not staying on ragdolls
Players no longer see the wearables that are a part of a friendly spy's disguise, fixing various graphical glitches
Added jiggle bones for Pyro's chicken hat
Added 2 new game startup songs


Community Mapmaker requests


Implemented InputSetSetupTime() for team_round_timer (was in the .fgd but never implemented)
Added "SetDispenserLevel" input to cart dispenser (1, 2, or 3)

[DukeEdwardI]

I like the medic tweaks. Better seeing who you're healing and the game automatically telling you who needs it will be super helpful.

[Sporadic]

And the Update is live. The winner of the Soldier/Demo War! is the Soldier!. For their victory, they win the Gunboots, boots that greatly reduce the damage from explosion jumping.

Full update log

New Content



Added new control point map Gorge
Added new capture the flag map Double Cross
Added item crafting
Added work-in-progress TF Bots for beta testing in KOTH maps (blog post coming with more info)
Added headshot death animations
Added more backstab animations


Soldier


Added 35 new Soldier achievements
Added 4 new Soldier items
Added new Soldier Domination lines


Demoman


Added 35 new Demoman achievements
Added 3 new Demoman items
Added new Demoman Domination lines


Spy


Now pretends to be carrying the weapons & wearables of the target he's disguised as
Moved the Spy's camera-beard to the Misc loadout slot so he can equip it with a hat


Scout


The Sandman now only stuns on a max range hit (when you hear the cheering)
All shorter hits now force the enemy into the thirdperson fleeing state (also removed the damage reduction on them)


Minor changes


Added new options to the Multiplayer->Advanced dialog:

Combat text, which displays damage amounts you do to enemies.
Medic auto caller, which automatically shows you nearby friends at low health.
Heal target marker, which better highlights the target your medigun is locked onto.
Alternative Spy disguise menu, which lets you choose disguises using just the 1-3 keys.


Fixed being able to affect friendly pipes with airblast (they would unstick)
Added recharge sound to abilities with a recharge bar
Fixed attachable wearables not staying on ragdolls
Players no longer see the wearables that are a part of a friendly spy's disguise, fixing various graphical glitches
Added jiggle bones for Pyro's chicken hat
Added 2 new game startup songs


Community Mapmaker requests


Implemented InputSetSetupTime() for team_round_timer (was in the .fgd but never implemented)
Added "SetDispenserLevel" input to cart dispenser (1, 2, or 3)



They only won due to the bonus points they got from the poster contest :-#

[Salamando3000]

Crafting Hats is gonna take an insane amount of gameplay (or idling)...3 Weapons = 1 Scrap Metal...3 Scrap = 1 Reclaimed...3 Reclaimed = 1 Refined...3 Refined = 1 Random Hat...

[sotc1988]

Quite a few glitches out there. I hit a demo milestone and didn't receive a weapon and then in another game everyone got a camera beard when they died as well as a ton of item drops. I hope valve doesn't take away my beard, trumpet, or the boots I randomly got just because they fucked up.

[Hydro2Oxide]

http://tf2wiki.net/wiki/Crafting

[DukeEdwardI]

I hardly ever play soldier so I got my ass kicked around. But I like the Direct Hit. Everybody was playing soldier and demo tonight and it felt like UT/Quake 3. Good times.

I think the inventory is a bit on the fritz though. I couldn't equip certain weapons and i couldn't move stuff around.

[Jugglenaut]

I'm really liking the direct hit, especially when combined with the gunboats. It's pretty much allowing me to train rocket jumping.

[Sporadic]

The random system was insane last night.

I got SR, Eyelander, camera beard and a ton of other items over the course of 4 hours before it finally leveled out.

[judyjudyjudy]

I got the SR, Banner, and Direct Hit before it calmed down. It also looked like I was getting a dozen backburners (I'd get the message every time I died), but I don't have a bunch of backburners in my inventory, so I guess that part wasn't real.

Man, SO MUCH spam last night. And the demos with shields are hella scary.

[Brak]

I smelted two decent hats and got one shitty hat. :bomb:

I knew I shouldn't have taken the risk. :bomb:

[Owen]

I must have started playing last night after all the drops settled down as I played for 3 hours and did not get anything.

[Droenixjpn]

I need to play some more, my skills have really gotten worse... at least with soldier. :<

[crystalklear64]

Play a medic.

Exclude healing Demomen or Soldiers (pick one)

Claim its for the war.

Have people yell at you saying its over.

THE WAR IS NEVER OVER

Get kicked, find a new server.

Find items for crafting while doing this.

AWWWW YEAAAAAAA

[Serik]

Blah, I can't wait until the solly and demo craze dies down. The game is totally unplayable for me right now; spam is just off the charts.

I really like unlocks like the Kritz and Buff Banner that promote teamwork. Stuff like the Sandman, Eyelander, Equalizer, etc. I find completely retarded and contrary to the spirit of the original TF2. The updates are neutral, then, because Valve saves themselves from ruining their own masterpiece thanks to a few decent unlocks but most importantly new maps and Saxton Hale comics.

[DukeEdwardI]

Blah, I can't wait until the solly and demo craze dies down. The game is totally unplayable for me right now; spam is just off the charts.

Ha, I actually almost enjoyed the spam on release night. I usually despise the week or two after an update is released, but for some reason, I had a lot of fun. I think it was because it reminded me so much of UT/Quake 3 Rocket Arena, I found myself laughing more than cursing when I died. Plus all the new weapons, death animations (I had my head chopped off and I watched my own body spurt blood out of its neck), new maps (I REALLY like cp_gorge), getting lots of unlocks (I haven't played in over 6 months so it was really nice getting almost everything in one evening) and playing as a heavy or medic was a lot of fun that night (I was able to mow down 5-6 soldiers/demomen on a CP on gorge because a soldier used his banner at the right time, AWESOME.)

In short, I haven't had this much fun with TF2 since it was first released. But I'm just a noob who only plays every now and then, what do I know? Whatever, it's fun and that's all I care about.

[Hostile]

As a long-time Soldier player, I have to say this long awaited update is a great success even though I have gotten only the Buff Banner and Equalizer (they skipped over my Direct Hit milestone). The Buff Banner's mini-crits is so fun to use (although I miss the gun salute taunt) and the Equalizer is so useful for certain situations.

[SOSTrooper]

Surprisingly, with the new soldier and demo update, I'm actually falling in love with the scout. I find it very effective to annoy those eyelander and targe-welding demomen.

What I also found out is that the Buff Banner actually gives the SG minicrits too!

[Nohbdy]

Gentlemen: http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=3279

Bots don't seem to pick Scouts or Spies though.

[Hydro2Oxide]

Gentlemen: http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=3279

Bots don't seem to pick Scouts or Spies though.

Likely because those 2 have the most strategy about them that is hard to have a bot replicate.

[Purple Flames]

Can anyone recommend any good servers on the east coast? I'm in NC and in all the games I join I have ridiculoysly high ping, and there aren't any programs running in the background or anything, so I figure I'm playing in servers too far from me.

[SOSTrooper]

Couldn't you just refresh the server list and then sort them by Ping and Player count? Wait for the entire list (should be about 3000 servers) to finish refreshing, click on "Ping" near the top of the server browser to sort by ping, and then click on "Players" to secondarily sort by player count.

If I'm at home I would paste some IPs for you to add, but I'm at work :(

[ChernobylCow]

Guys, I haven't played TF2 in over a year and I jumped in for a game I guess for the first time on my rig I built last summer. Anyone want to help me tweak settings so I get a better FPS? I was dropping below 30s on Gravel Pit.

Intel Core 2 Duo CPU E7500 @ 2.93 GHz
RAM: 4GB
Win7 64
GeForce GTX 260

[DukeEdwardI]

New update today (1/13/09):

Additions


Various improvements to Spy disguise and feign death

Disguise weapons copying weapons with special animation requirements (Sword, FaN) now look correct
Spies now play the appropriate death cry on feign death based on the corpse that appears
Feigning death can now play custom death animations like a normal death (head loss, sniper shot, backstab, etc)
Feigning death due to explosive damage now has a chance to gib, like a normal death
Corpses from a feign death now use the correct wearable behavior (hats stay on, or fall off as they should)
The weapons dropped by feign death corpses now have appropriate physics and collision for their type
Combat text for damage done to Spies that feign death will now show the un-modified damage amount
Fixed Spies that feign death while disguised as enemy spies dropping fake ragdolls wearing a mask
Fixed a couple of physics issues on ragdolls created by feign death


Added convars to further customize the "play a hit sound whenever you injure an enemy" option

tf_dingaling_volume". Sets the volume of the hit sound
tf_dingaling_pitchmindmg". Sets the desired pitch of the hit sound when a minor damage hit is done
tf_dingaling_pitchmaxdmg". Sets the desired pitch of the hit sound when a major damage hit is done
tf_dingaling_wav_override". Specifies an optional custom wav hit sound. If unspecified, the default ding sound is used


Added Medic Ubersaw kill taunt
Added backstab death animations for Scout, Spy, Medic, Demo, Engineer, and Pyro. All death animations have a 25% chance to play
Updated various localization strings


Changes


Removed the clamps on the "viewmodel_fov" convar
Added "viewmodel_fov_demo", a convar that controls viewmodel fov during demo playback
Force-a-Nature will now correctly knock back players on the ground
Increased minimum damage required for the Force-a-Nature to cause a knockback from 30 to 40
Changed the Direct Hit to only minicrit enemies that have been launched into the air by an explosion
Increased the rate of the Soldier's Rage generation by 40%
Reduced the duration of the Soldier's Buff Banner effect from 14 seconds to 10
Reduced the explosive damage resistance on the Chargin' Targe to 50%


Fixes


Fixed the Scout's legs twisting out of shape during a double jump
Fixed player models popping up and then down when they duck during a jump
Fixed Sniper rifle not penetrating friendlies
Fixed Bonk! Atomic Punch phase effect
Fixed rockets not being removed if they explode in func_nogrenades zones
Fixed the Sandman being able to bat balls through doors
Fixed the Gunboats absorbing damage from the Soldier's grenade kill taunt
Fixed the naming of non-unique quality unique items (Community Kritzkriegs, etc)
Minor fixes to the crafting UI

Changed the item layout in the crafting panel to better fit the backpack panel

Each 1 of the 4 crafting pages now shows half of 1 of the 2 backpack pages


Fixed the crafting panel next/prev page buttons being hard to use while dragging
Fixed the "equipped" label in the item panels stealing the mouse focus from the item panel itself




Updated Novint Falcon settings (no effect on non-Falcon players)


Recoil/Reload force added for the Direct Hit rocket launcher
Recoil/Reload force added for the Scottish Resistance sticky bomb launcher
More defined flesh hit force added for the Equalizer pick axe
More defined flesh hit/world hit force added for the Eyelander sword
Added swing forces for Eyelander sword
Added appropriate trumpet forces for Blu Buff Banner
Added appropriate trumpet forces for Red Buff Banner
Shotgun reload for Heavy & Pyro changed to feel more appropriate now
Changed Huntsman pullback force so that it goes in the right direction (was still pulling as if the Huntsman was on the left hand side of the screen, which was default until a later update)



And I found this (http://www.wegame.com/watch/new-force-a-nature-knockback/) posted in the TF2 steam forums of the new FaN knockback. (Thread Link (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1109278))

Guys, I haven't played TF2 in over a year and I jumped in for a game I guess for the first time on my rig I built last summer. Anyone want to help me tweak settings so I get a better FPS? I was dropping below 30s on Gravel Pit.

Intel Core 2 Duo CPU E7500 @ 2.93 GHz
RAM: 4GB
Win7 64
GeForce GTX 260

You really shouldn't be having any problems. Turn down AA to 'None' and your AF to 'Bilinear.' See what that does.

[Hydro2Oxide]

http://teamfortress.com/post.php?id=3327

Blog update.

@Cher, do you have multicore processing on? Also, monitor your resources when you run the game. What is your CPU idling at? What's it at in the game?

[ChernobylCow]

@Cher, do you have multicore processing on? Also, monitor your resources when you run the game. What is your CPU idling at? What's it at in the game?

Enabled my second core. Running at 100+ FPS now. Thanks.

[soccerstud652]

Anyone want to join?

[soccerstud652]

Anyone down to play right now?

[Sporadic]

New hats and three new melee items seem to have been added.

[speedracer]

Pretty much.

http://thereifixedit.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129159248173732754.jpg

[SEH]

Bumpage. New update yesterday added new hats and weapons.

http://tf2wiki.net/wiki/Hats
http://tf2wiki.net/wiki/Scotsman%27s_skullcutter
http://tf2wiki.net/wiki/Tribalman%27s_shiv

I found the Scottsman Skullcutter last night, as did another guy in the server I was in. The two of us had a blast running around with that and the shield just chopping peoples heads off.

[FroMann]

Anyone see this? Pretty funny!

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/05/iminions.png

http://kotaku.com/5545662/tf2-maps-get-a-stimulus

[kilm]

This bullshit around DLC, Activision, MW2 and all the rage against it is very tiresome.

[crystalklear64]

Anyone see this? Pretty funny!

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/05/iminions.png

http://kotaku.com/5545662/tf2-maps-get-a-stimulus

funny stuff

[Sir_Fragalot]

I sware TF2 hates me. Every day since they changed the item update rules I been playing so I could get 1 item a day which would be around 40 mins - 1 hr on a good day.

Anyway the only new item I got was the heavy's chocolate bar (and that was after I smelted one). I keep getting items I already own and not even a single hat.

[SEH]

Hate to sound like an item whore, but is it possible for the drop system to get bugged? I've played this entire past weekend, probably a total of 12-15 hours or so, and haven't found a single item.

[KhaosX]

Anything is possible with the item system. With the previous change of giving out items based on playtime, from what I've read around the system resets your playtime counter every thursday(night?). I can sorta confirm it as last week I got 3 items playing Friday for a few hours, and the Wednesday prior I was getting nothing. Any who, regarding the item system bugging, anyone remember when they released one of the major updates and people were given items like every 5 minutes? A lot of them being camera beards? There's your example of the system getting bugged.

[Salamando3000]

http://www.teamfortress.com/engineerupdate/

Engineer Update looks to be coming next Thursday. but more importantly, there's now a rush to find the 100 Goldren Wrenches, found randomly through crafting.

[iKilledChewbacca]

http://www.teamfortress.com/engineerupdate/

Engineer Update looks to be coming next Thursday. but more importantly, there's now a rush to find the 100 Goldren Wrenches, found randomly through crafting.

sweet !!

[SEH]

I crafted everything I possibly could in my inventory, along with two crappy hats (Batters Helmet and the Soldiers Stash) and I didn't get a wrench. Now I'm left with a bunch of metal and Ze Goggles.

[Salamando3000]

I'm wondering how many people will completely destroy their backpacks in trying to get their golden wrench. I'm hoping many eliminate themselves that way early to increase my chances later.

[Hydro2Oxide]

crappy hats
Soldiers Stash

wat

[SEH]

wat

Soldiers Stash is so lame. It's the regular Soldier hat with cigarettes and a playing card on it.

After crafting those two together, my hat inventory now includes the Tyrants Helm, the Heavy Duty Rag, Ze Goggles, Bills Hat, the Ghostly Gibus, and the Cheaters Lament.

[iKilledChewbacca]

Hey i am semi-new to TF2 and was wandering what "crafting" objects was ? ALSO how do you unlock hats ?

[Salamando3000]

Crafting is the act of creating in-game weapons, hats, or other mats, usually starting with a handful of weapons. Here's a list of all known recipes.

http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Crafting

Hats are found in one of two ways...1) Extremely rare drop through the item drop system, or 2) through Crafting. One random hat requires 3 Refined Metal/9 Reclaimed Metal/27 Scrap Metal/54 Weapons.

[SEH]

Just got done playing. My friend and I were crafting stuff like crazy. We didnt get anything. Someone did find a golden wrench though while we were playing. I also crafted together my Heavy Duty Rag and Ze Goggles (doin' it all for the wrench man) and got the Hound Dog out of it, which is awesome. My friend crafted together his Footbal Helmet and Modest Pile of Hats to get the Officers Ushanka.

Tomorrow we continue our quest for the golden wrench.

[judyjudyjudy]

Argh, I played too much over the weekend. I think I reach my drop limit for the week, as I played several hours today and didn't get a single item. I already crafted all my repeat items over the weekend before this Golden Wrench business. Bleh.

[SEH]

Argh, I played too much over the weekend. I think I reach my drop limit for the week, as I played several hours today and didn't get a single item. I already crafted all my repeat items over the weekend before this Golden Wrench business. Bleh.

I did a test a few weeks ago. In the weeks allotted time, I was able to find eight items before I reached the limit on drops. Not that it's the same every time, but I figure 8-10 drops a week is about the max.

[SEH]

http://www.teamfortress.com/engineerupdate/

50 wrenches have been found, which means they just updated the page with a new weapon and some screenshots of the new map coming Thursday. The Wrangler sounds pretty sweet.

Also, here are the Engineer achievements:

http://www.teamfortress.com/engineerupdate/achievements/

[DukeEdwardI]

I don't think I've played the engineer for even 30 minutes. Whenever I did, I just felt like I wasn't playing him correctly and wasn't being very helpful to my team.

These new weapons look pretty sweet though! Crits for every kill/assist your sentry gets? And taking control of a sentry that gets doubled fire rate and more missiles at level 3 (but where does the engineer go when he's in control? Are people going to need to find a safe spot to hide?)? I think I'll have to try and become useful with the engineer so I get a chance to use these weapons effectively.

And a new payload map! Woot! "Blow it up to be safe."

Also, I found a hidden link on the bottom left corner of the Frontier Justice blueprint: Link (http://www.teamfortress.com/engineerupdate/wrangdigan/). Nothing special, just a drawing of a dude holding the Wrangler.

[SEH]

That's apparently the Engies dad. Here's another one too http://www.teamfortress.com/engineerupdate/radigan/

[Salamando3000]

Day 3 update is live. New Payload (Payload-Race?) Map called Hightower...Engineer gets a community-made Wrench...and this secret page http://www.teamfortress.com/engineerupdate/engineer_photos/ seems to indicate Engineers will get a portable sentry.

In Golden Wrench news, seems like there's been a bit of controversy going on. So far, five people have had their Wrenches removed from their inventory and their accounts VAC-banned. Seems that there was a set schedule that Wrenches are scheduled to drop on, the schedule leaked, and a few people knew to craft their items at that exact second to get their items.

[itachiitachi]

Last items(s) of the update



The Gunslinger (replaces wrench): A handy prosthetic hand for our newly enhanced Engineers that replaces the wrench and allows you to toss combat min-sentries. In addition, every third melee hit from the glove is an automatic critical.
Combat mini-sentries: The Gunslinger allows you to sling these little guns around. They cost 100 metal, do half damage, but can be built 4 times faster than a regular sentry. They cannot be upgraded or repaired, however.

And achievements
(http://www.teamfortress.com/engineerupdate/achievements/)

[A Happy Panda]

Day 3 update is live. New Payload (Payload-Race?) Map called Hightower...Engineer gets a community-made Wrench...and this secret page http://www.teamfortress.com/engineerupdate/engineer_photos/ seems to indicate Engineers will get a portable sentry.

In Golden Wrench news, seems like there's been a bit of controversy going on. So far, five people have had their Wrenches removed from their inventory and their accounts VAC-banned. Seems that there was a set schedule that Wrenches are scheduled to drop on, the schedule leaked, and a few people knew to craft their items at that exact second to get their items.

That's sorta lame....Of course people are going to take advantage of a leak, but to punish them because the guy whose job it was to secure that schedule fucked up, they get punished? Unfair advantage sure but that's like punishing your kid for playing with the gun you left within their reach.

[SEH]

They didnt just take advantage of the schedule, they took advantage of the server cloud. They sent back packets saying they were smelting metal an unlimited amount of times so they could 100% secure a wrench. So yes, they were justly banned.

[A Happy Panda]

They didnt just take advantage of the schedule, they took advantage of the server cloud. They sent back packets saying they were smelting metal an unlimited amount of times so they could 100% secure a wrench. So yes, they were justly banned.

Ah ok, they should get banned then. That's different from what was posted before.

[SEH]

http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=4076

Polycount winners announced today. All of these items will be brand new additions to the game with their own unique stats and everything. There's some really cool looking stuff in there (Croc-o-Style rules, as does the Saharan Spy).

[Kaijufan]

Very cool to see we're getting even more new items and weapons after all the class packs were released.

[eliter1]

Can anyone point me to a page where there is a summary of all the Weapon updates/unlocks, I can't seem to find one that has everything.

[Salamando3000]

http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Weapons

As usual, a Wiki has everything you'd ever need to know.

[SEH]

tf2wiki.net

[wakawakawa]

I just tried playing on a Monday night... wow people are terrible. The crowd that plays on the weekdays makes payload and control points play like arena.

[SEH]

I just tried playing on a Monday night... wow people are terrible. The crowd that plays on the weekdays makes payload and control points play like arena.

Gotta find good servers. I tend to only play in the OCN and LotusClan servers since not everyone in those are complete retards. But yeah, most servers it's just people going after a high score rather than actually trying to push the cart/cap the points.

[A Happy Panda]

Gotta find good servers. I tend to only play in the OCN and LotusClan servers since not everyone in those are complete retards. But yeah, most servers it's just people going after a high score rather than actually trying to push the cart/cap the points.

The sad part is people even fail at that....If you go out and try to achieve the goal, you often get more points than not doing so.

In multiple games of pl_whatever map, I've gotten 25-30 points in 1 death playing as a Heavy, using a med and the cart for the constant health/ammo to push it and just get ridiculous amounts of points.

[wakawakawa]

The sad part is people even fail at that....If you go out and try to achieve the goal, you often get more points than not doing so.

In multiple games of pl_whatever map, I've gotten 25-30 points in 1 death playing as a Heavy, using a med and the cart for the constant health/ammo to push it and just get ridiculous amounts of points.

Yea,

My single life high score as demoman was like my 2nd hour playing the class on badwater. I think I had like 35-40 points. I captured all the points, got like 3 ubers, took out a bunch of SGs and people. I will probably never top it.

I had a game once as engineer on dustbowl where my SG had over 45 kills, then on the same life built another one where I got over 20 kills. Then the server crashed so the stats didn't save... another thing I will probably never top. That was me playing the class, working with the team, and defending the capture point.

[A Happy Panda]

Yea,

My single life high score as demoman was like my 2nd hour playing the class on badwater. I think I had like 35-40 points. I captured all the points, got like 3 ubers, took out a bunch of SGs and people. I will probably never top it.

I had a game once as engineer on dustbowl where my SG had over 45 kills, then on the same life built another one where I got over 20 kills. Then the server crashed so the stats didn't save... another thing I will probably never top. That was me playing the class, working with the team, and defending the capture point.

I'd probably rage quit at that point if I was on the opposite team. NO SG should be able to get 45 kills....EVER. A smart enough team should always be able to get an SG before it hits even 10 kills.

[SEH]

I've had games like that as well with my sentry getting 30+ kills. It's pretty hilarious when the other team just cannot get their shit together whatsoever.

I've been pretty disinterested in TF2 lately though. I was hoping the amount of engies used in a game would've gone down by now, but most games still have like 4+ engies a side. Combine that with 3+ snipers and two or three spies and you have a recipe for repeat failure.

There also seems to be an influx of dumbass medics lately as well. I cant stand those who insist on healing the same guy as me (thanks for increasing BOTH of our uber charge times dipshit), or those who just are completely oblivious to the game going on around them and refuse to heal anyone but the heavy they've been locked on for five minutes.

Overall it just seems like there's been a LOT more scrubs playing.

[A Happy Panda]

I'd be interested in getting a TF2 session going with the people on this thread...It seems like there's enough people who know when to play what class according to the team's needs instead of marrying themselves to a particular class no matter what.

Anyone host a server here?

[wakawakawa]

I've had games like that as well with my sentry getting 30+ kills. It's pretty hilarious when the other team just cannot get their shit together whatsoever.

I've been pretty disinterested in TF2 lately though. I was hoping the amount of engies used in a game would've gone down by now, but most games still have like 4+ engies a side. Combine that with 3+ snipers and two or three spies and you have a recipe for repeat failure.

There also seems to be an influx of dumbass medics lately as well. I cant stand those who insist on healing the same guy as me (thanks for increasing BOTH of our uber charge times dipshit), or those who just are completely oblivious to the game going on around them and refuse to heal anyone but the heavy they've been locked on for five minutes.

Overall it just seems like there's been a LOT more scrubs playing.

This game definitely has ups and downs with skill level based on day of the week, and updates/sales. There are some days I play for 2 hours and can't find a decent game, other days I've played all afternoon and had good games throughout.

It's funny with snipers and spies. If a team has 1 great spy and 1 great sniper it makes night and day difference and can shut down the other team. Having 3-4 mediocre ones just guarantees getting rolled. In that regard those are those two most skill based classes.

[Sporadic]

I've had games like that as well with my sentry getting 30+ kills. It's pretty hilarious when the other team just cannot get their shit together whatsoever.

I've been pretty disinterested in TF2 lately though. I was hoping the amount of engies used in a game would've gone down by now, but most games still have like 4+ engies a side. Combine that with 3+ snipers and two or three spies and you have a recipe for repeat failure.

There also seems to be an influx of dumbass medics lately as well. I cant stand those who insist on healing the same guy as me (thanks for increasing BOTH of our uber charge times dipshit), or those who just are completely oblivious to the game going on around them and refuse to heal anyone but the heavy they've been locked on for five minutes.

Overall it just seems like there's been a LOT more scrubs playing.

You need to find a server with class limits. I know the one I play on has engis limited down to 3. Of course that's a big problem if 3 chuckleheads grab the slots and leave your team defenseless but it's more fun than having 5+ engis on both sides.

[SEH]

You need to find a server with class limits. I know the one I play on has engis limited down to 3. Of course that's a big problem if 3 chuckleheads grab the slots and leave your team defensiveness but it's more fun than having 5+ engis on both sides.

Class limits are a double-edged sword in my opinion. When there's no limits, you have the potential of winding up with an over abundance of one class. However, when there are class limits, you get everyone scrambling to fill up that one class that's capped at like two or three, and in most cases, wind up with awful people playing that role and costing your team the game.

[Waughoo]

Are there some good places for noobs to play this? I played a couple games a few months ago and realized I need alot of practice. I'd like to start playing more soon but I'm trying to hold off on most online games till my health gets abit better.

[DukeEdwardI]

Are there some good places for noobs to play this? I played a couple games a few months ago and realized I need alot of practice. I'd like to start playing more soon but I'm trying to hold off on most online games till my health gets abit better.

I'd like to know this as well. I don't play too often and while I don't think I'm that bad and I can rack up some kills every now and then, I'd still say I'm less than average skill. The only classes I'm decent with are Heavy/Medic/Sniper since those the classes I've spent the most time with. Any time I try out another class, I don't really know what I'm doing and just feel like I'm not helping out my team in any way.

I know that there are bots, and that's decent practice, but I still think there's no better practice than playing online against real people. But I don't want to play a class I'm not good with and be a drain on my team and have a bunch of 1337 pro people bitching at me about "you suck as xxxx, you're fail life, go kill yourself" etc etc etc.

[Oktoberfest]

there are newb servers out there. Not everyone will be a complete newbie, but hopefully you will find people of similar skill

[xycury]

there are newb servers out there. Not everyone will be a complete newbie, but hopefully you will find people of similar skill

indeed. Just find servers that are spam heavy...servers that hold 32 slots and include fast spawn. one useless player trying to figure out the game won't matter much ;)

That's how I did.

[Sporadic]

Class limits are a double-edged sword in my opinion. When there's no limits, you have the potential of winding up with an over abundance of one class. However, when there are class limits, you get everyone scrambling to fill up that one class that's capped at like two or three, and in most cases, wind up with awful people playing that role and costing your team the game.

Yeah, I meant defenseless (my spell checker went insane)

Are there some good places for noobs to play this? I played a couple games a few months ago and realized I need alot of practice. I'd like to start playing more soon but I'm trying to hold off on most online games till my health gets abit better.

I spent my first 25 hours gooning it up in 2fort2furious. It attracts some good players but it is also silly enough for new people to learn the ropes of the game.

[mistymayem]

Noob question.

If I buy The Orange Box, will Team Fortress 2 be able to be updated? or will it be like the 360's version? I've been playing it on the 360 and it's really awesome but hearing about all these updates makes me want the PC version. The Orange Box seems like the cheapest way to get it.

[Salamando3000]

If you buy the Orange Box on PC, TF2 will be fully updatable. It does make it significantly more awesome than the 360 version.

[mistymayem]

If you buy the Orange Box on PC, TF2 will be fully updatable. It does make it significantly more awesome than the 360 version.

Haha thanks for the quick response.

[SEH]

Yeah, console TF2 and PC TF2 are like two totally different games. The sheer amount of content in the PC version compared to the console version is astounding.

[iKilledChewbacca]

Just to clear this out of my head....you unlock new weapons by unlocking in-game achievements ?

[Sporadic]

Just to clear this out of my head....you unlock new weapons by unlocking in-game achievements ?

Close you unlock new weapons by hitting a certain number of achievements for that class and through random drops while you play.

[IanKazimer]

You can also "craft" weapons if you have the necessary components, but they're just as hard to come by as the weapons you're trying to make.

[iKilledChewbacca]

Close you unlock new weapons by hitting a certain number of achievements for that class and through random drops while you play.

what is "random drops" as I play mean ? I am really slow in the head because of incense.

[SqueeMK2]

As you're playing occasionally you'll get random items. It doesn't physically drop and you don't do anything to pick it up, you'll just get a message saying you found such and such.

The most important of these are hats.

[Salamando3000]

what is "random drops" as I play mean ? I am really slow in the head because of incense.

While playing, you'll randomly get Weapons and (rarely) Hats. The hats are purely cosmetic, so if you never find one, you're still on even ground with everyone else. The drops are purely random. They're not linked to number of kills, number of deaths, nothing. You'll just find them as you play. You can only find a limited number of drops each week, and that resets on Thursday morning (iirc).

[Sporadic]

The hats are purely cosmetic, so if you never find one, you're still on even ground with everyone else.

A-ha-ha! You are as PRESUMPTUOUS as your are POOR and IRISH. Tarnish notte the majesty of my TOWER of HATS.

[Salamando3000]

A-ha-ha! You are as PRESUMPTUOUS as your are POOR and IRISH. Tarnish notte the majesty of my TOWER of HATS.

Tarnations! I've been found! Indeed, I am but a smelly unfortunate.

[SqueeMK2]

Damn and blast your eyes Salamando! Can't you see this is a thread for gentlemanne of leisure?

[iKilledChewbacca]

How long do you think TF2 will last before development of TF3....if there will even be one.

[Hydro2Oxide]

How long do you think TF2 will last before development of TF3....if there will even be one.

I cannot see why there would be one in any near future. I'm sure ideas float around on the backburner but the game doesn't need anything else aside from minor additions.

[SEH]

I cannot see why there would be one in any near future. I'm sure ideas float around on the backburner but the game doesn't need anything else aside from minor additions.

This. They update TF2 all the time, adding in tons of new content. There's absolutely zero need for a TF3. Maybe once they develop a new engine, but I don't see that happening for quite awhile considering how versatile the Source engine is. We'll see Episode 3 before we hear any talks of TF3.

[iKilledChewbacca]

if anyone cares www.steamcard.com added a new card that is based off the new engineer update !! LOOK AT MY SIG FOR AN EXAMPLE !!

[iKilledChewbacca]

AMAZINGLY AWESOME AND HILARIOUS !!!

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/7989137/21174892

[iKilledChewbacca]

I need help, I turned on auto reload and I cant find how to turn it off. I dont remember where I even turned it on in the first place, it gets really annoying when playing as the scout and your constantly reloading

any help would be great

[SEH]

Options > Multiplayer > then there should be some thing at the bottom for advanced options.

[iKilledChewbacca]

Options > Multiplayer > then there should be some thing at the bottom for advanced options.

thanks

[A Happy Panda]

There's auto reloading? Interesting...

I had to use script for it in TFC, but that's neat that it's just a straight up option.

[iKilledChewbacca]

There's auto reloading? Interesting...

I had to use script for it in TFC, but that's neat that it's just a straight up option.

Yeah it is pretty cool but annoying for the scout. I also like it because it only reload when your not shooting

hope that made sense.

[A Happy Panda]

Yeah it is pretty cool but annoying for the scout. I also like it because it only reload when your not shooting

hope that made sense.

Why only the Scout?

Doesn't firing always cancel out the reload animation?

[iKilledChewbacca]

Why only the Scout?

Doesn't firing always cancel out the reload animation?

noit is just that with the scout I am "VERY" inaccurate so I always spam bullets with the scattergun. When you have it on auto-reload it seems it slows does the firing a bit because it is always reloading for me.

[Dr. Bitchslap]

noit is just that with the scout I am "VERY" inaccurate so I always spam bullets with the scattergun. When you have it on auto-reload it seems it slows does the firing a bit because it is always reloading for me.

Why not try to improve your aim...

[DukeEdwardI]

New game mode, item trading and 20 weapons and hats coming in the next update:

PC Gamer: Next TF2 update adds trading, new game mode (http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/08/11/next-tf2-update-adds-trading-new-game-mode/)

[SEH]

TRADING!!!!!!!

Finally.

[LinkinPrime]

FYI:

Are you the player in your Team Fortress 2 (http://joystiq.com/game/team-fortress-2) group known not just for proficiency in a certain class, but in the special skill of hat storytelling as well? If so, you're a shoo-in for Valve's latest contest.

"Fans have been mailing us for some time now," Valve said on the TF2 blog (http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=4245), "asking for a contest that didn't involve modeling or level design. So now they get their wish. That's right: you'll be competing over who can describe hats the best." The full details can be found here (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1411400), but essentially, you can send in a description of one of the game's hats, and Valve might use it in the game.

In addition to tales of headwear, Valve also announced a bonus for TF2 fans who buy Worms Reloaded (http://www.joystiq.com/game/worms-reloaded): Holy Hand Grenade accessories and a new helmet for the Soldier. Buy Reloaded before September 2 to get access to these (purely decorative) items.http://i.joystiq.com/2010/08/25/describe-team-fortress-2s-hats-in-the-tf2-hat-describing-contes/

The Worms Reloaded promo seems pretty damn cool.

[SEH]

...Why must they do this to me. So, so, so tempted to pre-order Worms now. I like the games, but the TF2 hat and grenades has put it over the top.

[sealionnn]

I've only played the Xbox 360 version of TF2, and that was maybe half a year ago since I played it last. Did they ever update it to be like the PC version/is there a comparison site where I can see what I'll need to get caught up on before jumping in on the PC version?

[Salamando3000]

I've only played the Xbox 360 version of TF2, and that was maybe half a year ago since I played it last. Did they ever update it to be like the PC version/is there a comparison site where I can see what I'll need to get caught up on before jumping in on the PC version?

http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Team_Fortress_2

At the very bottom is a link to the major content patches of the game. In short, there's over double the weapons, new game modes, new maps, balance tweaks, and hats. Hats perhaps being the most important addition.

[SqueeMK2]

Perhaps nothing, they are. Though they're a bit overpowered, you'll stare slackjawed and let an enemy spy escape just because you're stunned by the beauty of his towering pillar of hats and not at all suspicious beard.

[sealionnn]

http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Team_Fortress_2

At the very bottom is a link to the major content patches of the game. In short, there's over double the weapons, new game modes, new maps, balance tweaks, and hats. Hats perhaps being the most important addition.

Ahhh, too many updates! Guess I'll just hop in and get used to everything that's new.

[Salamando3000]

Eh, it isn't so bad.

You'll start off with only the weapons you had on 360. The most notable exception comes from Engy, who can now upgrade all buildings to level 3 (and not just sentries). All of the new stuff needs to be gotten through achievements (one weapon rewarded per milestone) or from random drops. Before you ask, random drops are completely random, with no rhyme or reason behind them. Well, you are limited to ~8 a week (from random drops), but thats it.

So, long story short, just hop in games and play. You'll pick up new weapons along the way, and can learn what they do as they come to you.

[fizzywix]

I've started up my own TF2 server, check it out in my sig if you'd like to support another CAG's endeavor!

It is still a work in progress, so it may be a bit unstable from restarts and still needs a lot of modding.

[SEH]

2fort...ewwww

[Waughoo]

I've just started playing this, and its pretty fun. I'm Waughoo (of course) if anyone wants to add me

[Salamando3000]

New Update!

In-game stores, trading, polycount pack...too much info to process at once...

http://www.teamfortress.com/mannconomy/


Full Notes
Team Fortress 2
Added the Mann-conomy.
Added 65 new items (hats, weapons, tools, minigames, gifts, crates).
Added the Mann Co. Store & Catalog.
Added Trading.
Added Item customization.

Additional TF2 features
Added new auto-team-scramble system:
Set mp_scrambleteams_auto to 1 (default) to automatically scramble the teams if the criteria is met
Set mp_scrambleteams_auto_windifference to set the number of round wins a team must lead by in order to trigger an auto scramble (default is 2)
Updated how Spy disguise targets are selected to more randomly distribute the selections
Fixed the FreezePanel background not using the correct color if you were killed by a player or building on your own team

Server browser tweaks
It will now encourage you to add servers to Favorites or Blacklists after you have a good/bad experience on them.
The Server Browser now automatically closes after successfully connecting to a server (opt-out via the Options-Multiplayer->Advanced dialog)

Achievement tuning
Demoman achievement "The Stickening" changed to 3 from 5.
Heavy achievement "Krazy Ivan" changed to 50 from 100.
Medic achievement "Consultation" changed to 3 from 5.
Medic achievement "Peer Review" changed to 10 from 50.
Medic achievement "Placebo Effect" changed to 2 from from 5.
Medic achievement "FYI I am A Medic" changed to 1 from 5.
Medic achievement "Family Practice" changed to 5 from 10.
Soldier achievement "Geneva Contravention" changed to 3 from 5.
Scout achievement "Strike Zone" now counts assists.
Scout achievements "Fall Classic" and "Foul Territory" are fixed.

[SEH]

TRADING! NEW HATS!

So, what was the one extra class update they added that wasnt mentioned among the initial winners?

[Sporadic]

Yeah, I'm not digging the store. Everything is insanely overpriced.

[SEH]

Yeah, I'm not digging the store. Everything is insanely overpriced.

Tell me about it. $17.50 for the croc hat? The sniper pack is regularly priced at $30, which is more than the fucking game. I'm really hoping stuff is just priced like that for now to get people to play to find the items rather than just buy them right away.