Dawn of War II - OUT NOW!!

[DarkNessBear]

Anyone playing the beta?

Game looks really good, trying to learn it. You can get the beta here:

http://store.steampowered.com/app/15660/

Let me know if anyone wants to play 1 v 1 (Someone that sucks like me.)

Gamertag: Darknessbearx

[Razzuel]

I will play. I was playing online, but I kept getting my ass kicked.

There was this one match where I kicked the other guy's ass whenever our units fought, but he won because he basically had all the capture points and I was too slow.

[darthbudge]

Hmm... I thought you had to preorder the game to get into the beta. How long will this beta be going on for?

I can't wait for this game, but it would take forever to download, so I would want the beta to be going on for a while.

[crystalklear64]

Yea, this has been my nightly activity. Me and a group of friends have gone from starcraft to wc3 to dawn of war through the years and we plan to move to dawn of war 2 next.

It is a very different rts game. There is no resource gathering, nothing to be built, and there is a resource that is gained through fighting battles, so it is definitely offense oriented. Like the guide says, if you aren't attacking or capturing a point, you're doing it wrong. You also choose a hero like in warcraft 3 and all of your units level up to increase health/damage through combat. Then you can upgrade their weapons and such through the units themselves, no global upgrades.

Right now, there are some obviously balance issues, the main problem being the techpreist and mechboy heroes are the only classes capable of throwing down defensive buildings, turrets. Right now, these turrets, when placed correctly, completely dominate all the tier 1 units. They even go so far as to outrange your base defenses, so you simple build a turret outside an enemy base and it attacks their defenses worry free.

My current favorite race/hero is the Eldar with the Warpspider Exarch. Anti-grav grenades and army teleportation is awesome.

[Razzuel]

Hmm... I thought you had to preorder the game to get into the beta. How long will this beta be going on for?

I can't wait for this game, but it would take forever to download, so I would want the beta to be going on for a while.

Nah, the beta was released to everyone on Steam this past Tuesday.

Steam says it takes up 2256 MB.

I cannot find any information on when it ends, so I am going to assume that it ends on or near release day, which is February 18th.

[hero101]

I only have CK on my buddylist. I'm ultra slow so I'm a super noob at this game. Feel free to add me via a pm.

[crystalklear64]

heheh yea had a couple of games with hero. just gotta keep pushing forward and not have me being the only one attacking their base ;)

[hero101]

heheh yea had a couple of games with hero. just gotta keep pushing forward and not have me being the only one attacking their base ;)
I thought that I was suppose to camp and protect my hero. I want to build more big baddies for castle defense. Why can't my big daddies capture buildings? :roll:

Are units weaknesses like this?

Meele --> Range (in close range fights) assuming both have tier two monsters.

[crystalklear64]

It depends on the unit and the upgrades you give them.

Like the Eldar Wraithlords vs. Spacemarine Dreadnaught. Their standard sword thing does good damage in melee, you can take on a Dreadnaught if you get the first hit in even though the Wraithlord has less life. However, if you equip your Wraithlord with a Brightlance anti-vehicular cannon you get get some melee strength hits in at range first.

In tier-1 there is also melee specific units like the Howling Banshees for the Eldar and the... Reapers? (the space marines with big swords and jetpacks). They do almost no ranged damage but lots of melee damage. If they get up to your ranged units, your ranged units will lose in a fight.

[darthbudge]

Well, I am gonna download it overnight now that I see quite a few CAGs are playing it, and the beta seems to go on for a while.

[DarkNessBear]

Nah, the beta was released to everyone on Steam this past Tuesday.

Steam says it takes up 2256 MB.

I cannot find any information on when it ends, so I am going to assume that it ends on or near release day, which is February 18th.

Good-game man. That was fricken awesome.

[Razzuel]

Good-game man. That was fricken awesome.

Yeah we should play again sometime since you seem to have gotten a hang of it.

[judyjudyjudy]

My friends and I downloaded this a couple nights ago. I kept getting repeatedly owned because I had (and still have) no freaking clue what I'm doing...

[CoffeeEdge]

The game is pretty good (though I do find the unit readability to be a bit of a problem, due to some of the color choices), but I imagine the MP component of this game will get completely ruined real fast, once they add in the special paid DLC units that they've been hinting at.

[a_bleak_tomorrow]

yeah anyone feel free to add me we can play lumberjackchody is my steam id

[DarkNessBear]

Yeah we should play again sometime since you seem to have gotten a hang of it.

Ya, thanks for the help.

I had no idea you could only purchase three upgrades for your hero, I just kept buying them and started to wonder why the same ones kept coming up, haha.

The game as of now seems a little imbalanced, seems like ground units are crap. But I dunno. And getting energy seems way slow, whats the point of two resources?

[Koggit]

Currently downloading it

[Razzuel]

Ya, thanks for the help.

I had no idea you could only purchase three upgrades for your hero, I just kept buying them and started to wonder why the same ones kept coming up, haha.

The game as of now seems a little imbalanced, seems like ground units are crap. But I dunno. And getting energy seems way slow, whats the point of two resources?

I realized—and I think you did too—that you can upgrade the Power nodes with satellite power stations. That boosts how much Power you can gain, but it still accumulates pretty slow.

As far as I know, by having two resources they can better balance the costs of the units and upgrades, which dictates how many of each unit and combination of units you can make. Like you wouldn't want a player to spam a bunch of tanks and roll over the opponent, which is why tanks cost low Requisition and high Power—at least for the Orks.

I hope that made sense.

[DarkNessBear]

Oh, can you have more units if you add more power nodes? When I create a power thing I usually make 3 power node things.

If an enemy has a power node on it and you capture it, do you get the resources from that? Or does the enemy?

[Razzuel]

Oh, can you have more units if you add more power nodes? When I create a power thing I usually make 3 power node things.

If an enemy has a power node on it and you capture it, do you get the resources from that? Or does the enemy?

Uh I think the amount of units you can have are capped off at 100. I meant that by having two resources the developer can control how many units of a type you can make in succession and to a degree the combination of units at one time.

If the enemy has power stations and you capture their power node, then you gain control of their power stations.

[hero101]

We need to add a buddylist to the OP.
live id: jubeichan203

[crystalklear64]

The game is pretty good (though I do find the unit readability to be a bit of a problem, due to some of the color choices)

Yea thats one of my issues too, the commanders are not distinct enough from the regular units at a quick glance. In DoW, you knew when a commander unit was in the area thanks to their size/look and the ability to dominate whole squads.

Another thing I really don't like is how hard it can be to finish units off. Once you activate that flee skill, you take hardly any damage and you move very fast, making retreats easy. Its good that you can force your enemy to retreat, but I want to finish them off damn it! A speed boost with damage reduction? : / How about one or the other.

In going with the entire game being simplified, I really miss morale. It offered a different way to approach combat. Instead of going for pure damage you could just break the enemy morale and have them become useless.

[Koggit]

Pretty disappointed in this game relative to the hype it's been getting.. a 'craft game this is not. People had been saying best RTS since Starcraft.. haaa, right. I'll stick to WC3 until SC2 thanks.

[crystalklear64]

I think the entire focus being on combat is fantastic. No worrying about your building's build order or having to worry about how many workers to build or anything like that. Instead you can focus entirely on battle strategy which makes the battles much more fun than in the craft games imo, and only have to deal with one hero makes it nice and simple, unlike WC3 which always had far too much going on for me to ever be good at.

[DarkNessBear]

Ya it's REALLY hard to differentiate your hero from the other units...

[Koggit]

My #1 complaint is that the controls are way too floaty. The rectangle-select grouping more than it should, the delay between initiation of command and execution, move defaulting to attack-move, selection defaulting to groups, etc.. it's all too imprecise.

But I have a lot of complaints. That's just the one I absolutely cannot forgive. It all but kills micro entirely.

I guess that's something many casuals may appreciate, as micro-intensive RTSs tend to turn off newcomers due to the steep learning curve. Personally I'd rather play something deep with a steep learning curve than something shallow that I can pick up quickly.

Also, not gameplay related, but man the art direction sucks.

Let's play some Warcraft 3 :)

[Koggit]

Also, is there a controls guide anywhere for DoW? I couldn't find controls in the in-game options menu. I figured out most all the hotkeys, as they're stolen straight from Blizzard (ctrl+# grouping, shift-queuing, etc) but I couldn't find a button to show health bars (like alt in WC3).

[Ecofreak]

I'd love to try it, but the demo can't get past the opening cut scene without crashing. :-(

Which is strange, because I can play Company of Heroes without any problems...

I'll need to check my graphic cards and see if they're properly installed, as I can't seem to enable SLI. I know it was working last year but something may have been knocked around when I was installing more RAM.

[SilentSinr]

the beta is a lot of fun, and i will definitely be getting the full game. I mainly played Warcraft 3 before but i am finding this game to be a great change of pace. From what I have played so far it seems like a much faster paced game than warcraft 3, which is great

[Serik]

The demo's not really my thing, but I've never enjoyed playing RTS games online. At least Relic's making DoW 2 different than its predecessors

Techmarine ftw

[darthbudge]

Well, I just played one match and that was a lot of fun. I got my ass kicked though. :[

[silent h3ro]

...I've never enjoyed playing RTS games online and getting my ass handed to me. fixed :)

I think the entire focus being on combat is fantastic. No worrying about your building's build order or having to worry about how many workers to build or anything like that. Instead you can focus entirely on battle strategy which makes the battles much more fun than in the craft games imo, and only have to deal with one hero makes it nice and simple, unlike WC3 which always had far too much going on for me to ever be good at.I think you would like Demigod. I've got it preordered from Impulse + the digital download.

[darthbudge]

Does anybody know of a good site to read about DoW2 strategies? I kinda want to read up some, since I have never played a DoW game online before.

[LinkinPrime]

Is this similar to Command & Conquer?

[darthbudge]

Has anybody else been getting NAT errors when trying to join friends? I just tried to join Hero101, and we both kept getting NAT errors, so we weren't able to play.

[crystalklear64]

Yea, me and Zinrae/Lord Melvin (battle.net crew will know who I'm talking about), can't host games for each other. We have to get his brother to host and then everyone can join. It's like that for starcraft too. I can't join his games, he can't join mine, we have to get a third person to host for us (thanks TheCrotch!)

[hero101]

Yea, me and Zinrae/Lord Melvin (battle.net crew will know who I'm talking about), can't host games for each other. We have to get his brother to host and then everyone can join. It's like that for starcraft too. I can't join his games, he can't join mine, we have to get a third person to host for us (thanks TheCrotch!)
I wanna play. CK make a game for us. Use your magical hosting powers.

[Serik]

fixed :)

I think you would like Demigod. I've got it preordered from Impulse + the digital download.

:lol:

Actually, I really enjoy World in Conflict because it borrows heavily from the FPS genre in terms of online accessibility. Up to 8 teammates, four distinct classes, and zero base building. More online RTS games like that, please.

Demigod sounds awesome, though. Have you tried the beta?

[Ahadi]

I'm going to give this a download and try it out. I'm okay at Dawn of War 1, so I'm curious to see the differences. And I loves me some 40k. Mind if I join in the fray with you guys?

[crystalklear64]

Its waaaaay different.

[Ahadi]

Its waaaaay different.

Some times change is good. I like that 'Nids are playable in the demo. Very cool. It's downloading now, so I'm going to let it do its thing through the night.

[crystalklear64]

it doesn't even feel like the same game, they are almost nothing alike, its like too different series of RTS games only they have some similar gfx.

And I like it like that.

No more stupid morale breaking, no building bases of any sort, no super powered commander units (you have commander units, but its more like the hero in wc3, they can't take on full squads alone in a straight fight). The cover system is so much better and its like 20% capping points, 80% combat.

Its just a super streamlined RTS game that lets you get right to the fighting, skipping all the boring stuff inbetween.

[Ahadi]

it doesn't even feel like the same game, they are almost nothing alike, its like too different series of RTS games only they have some similar gfx.

And I like it like that.

No more stupid morale breaking, no building bases of any sort, no super powered commander units (you have commander units, but its more like the hero in wc3, they can't take on full squads alone in a straight fight). The cover system is so much better and its like 20% capping points, 80% combat.

Its just a super streamlined RTS game that lets you get right to the fighting, skipping all the boring stuff inbetween.

So it's more like the tabletop? I hated building a base in the first one, it just wasn't very Warhammerish. The tabletop is all about moving across the board and fighting, so I'm glad to hear it's more like its source material. I can't wait to give this a whirl... damn thing is taking so long to download though.

[will52]

it doesn't even feel like the same game, they are almost nothing alike, its like too different series of RTS games only they have some similar gfx.

And I like it like that.

No more stupid morale breaking, no building bases of any sort, no super powered commander units (you have commander units, but its more like the hero in wc3, they can't take on full squads alone in a straight fight). The cover system is so much better and its like 20% capping points, 80% combat.

Its just a super streamlined RTS game that lets you get right to the fighting, skipping all the boring stuff inbetween.


this makes me want to play it now :).

I hate resource management and base building.

[DukeEdwardI]

Also, is there a controls guide anywhere for DoW? I couldn't find controls in the in-game options menu. I figured out most all the hotkeys, as they're stolen straight from Blizzard (ctrl+# grouping, shift-queuing, etc) but I couldn't find a button to show health bars (like alt in WC3).

So you're saying that any RTS game that uses ctrl+# grouping rips off Blizzard? Seriously? That has been a standard in RTS games for years.

[Koggit]

Can you name something good about the controls in DoW that Blizzard wasn't the first to do? Just wondering..

[crystalklear64]

Is there a hotkey in blizzard games to instantly select your HQ without taking up one of your assignments? Theres a dedicated button for it in DoW2.

Maybe there was in WC3 but I don't remember.

[Ahadi]

I'm going to actually fire this up tonight since I'll have time to put in to it. Any of you guys going to be playing tonight?

[Serik]

this makes me want to play it now :).

I hate resource management and base building.

Have you tried World in Conflict? No base building, 8 vs. 8 matches, awesome graphics.

I really agree with one of the devs regarding online play in RTS games (http://www.shacknews.com/featuredarticle.x?id=1074&page=2):

We want to draw more people online, because online is what gives a game longevity. And the three on three, we really wanted to focus a lot on making that a cool mode. Because we ask people when they lose a three-on-three, "Why'd you guys lose?" And we'd always hear, "I don't know. I was doing great. My teammates just must have sucked." You know what I mean?

But they have a lot of fun. And they're like, "I built like three turrets up here, and some guy tried to come up and take the point and got owned. I don't know why my teammates can't handle their shit. I was on top of my shit, and I got that cool unlock.

And so that's the feeling--it's like Call of Duty 4 and Counter-Strike. You're always doing awesome. And losing is more kind of, "It would have been better had we won, but whatever, I was kicking back." And so we built these rules so that--we kind of tried to identify the major archetypes. Some people like building stuff, so we built the engineer for that. They like being turtlers, so you can turtle, but instead of turtling in your base, turtle out where your teammates can benefit from it. There's the fighter, when you just like knocking shit around.



And there's what we call the troubleshooter--they're kind of the loners, who kind of like to break off and solve problems on their own. We gave them the teleporter, the infiltrators, so they can kind of break off from the pack and cause trouble. How those interact, we're watching that very closely, because we want to enhance that and make it a very rich ecosystem of cooperation.

[crystalklear64]

Update today. Can't find any notes about it though.

OH here it is.

Looks like they nerfed everything:
http://community.dawnofwar2.com/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=8307

Current Change List

Increased the chances for melee sync-kills to occur.
Fixed an issue with all units gaining experience from kills. Only units that fight will gain experience. Heroes will still gain experience just by being near the fighting.
All infantry weapon damage reduced by 15% with the exception of anti-vehicle, sniper and artillery weapons.
All heroes health reduced by 10% to reflect global damage change.
Some melee units reduced in health by 10%.
Suppression units' damage at long range reduced, suppression against cover reduced a little.
melee_heavy damage to vehicle reduced to 0.5, from 1. Damage against building reduced to 0.5, from 1.
power_weapons_pvp damage to vehicle reduced to 0.15, from 0.25.
Plasma damage vs vehicles increased to .2 from .15
Flamer damage vs garrison increased to 3.5 from 2.5, vs heavy cover to 2.5 from 2.
Increased grenade damage modifier to garrison cover to 1.25 from 1.
Reduced grenade pvp damage modifier against generators to 1 from 1.5.
All vehicle deaths now generate heavy cover.
Melee special attacks no longer knockdown retreating units.
Increased uncapture time for requisition and power points to 15 seconds, from 10.
HQ health decreased to 10,000, from 15,000.
Requisition points are now updated to use a new system. Points are worth +10 upon capture, but this value now increases by +5 every 15 seconds up to a maximum of +35. When uncaptured, this value resets to +10.
Requisition points will no longer be reduced in resource rate in larger games.


Space Marines

Avatar and Carnifex are no longer instantly killed by drop pods.
Fixed an issue with space marine base turrets being able to rotate 360 degrees.


Tactical Squad

Missile Launcher reload time reduced to 6 seconds, from 8. Accuracy against large targets increased to 1, from 0.75. Damage reduced to 160, from 175.
Sergeant cost increased to 75/25 from 50/25.
Fixed an issue the with tactical marine sergeant having a shorter range than the rest of the squad which would cause him to run up to the enemy.
Plasma gun damage increased from 65 to 90.
Flamer damage increased from 12 to 14.
Tactical Marine HP increased from 300 to 350.
And They Shall Know No Fear damage reduction modifier reduced to 0.6, from 0.5. Knockback chance decreased to 50%, from 100%. Damage price increased to 1800, from 1200.


Dreadnought

Dreadnought assault cannon upgrade requisition cost increased to 100, from 45


Terminators

Terminator zeal cost reduced to 700, from 900.
Assault terminator zeal cost reduced to 700, from 900.


Scout Squad

Sniper rifle cost changed to 150/35 from 100/60, damage increased to 170 from 150.
Shotgun knockdown chance reduced to 15%, from 25%.
Infiltrate energy drain increased to 1.5/sec, from 1/sec.
Scout Sergeant detection radius set to 30.
Fixed a bug that was causing Frag Grenades to deal far less damage than intended.
Leader cost increased to 60/25 from 50/25
Fixed an issue with Scouts dealing more melee damage than they should have been.


Techmarine

Techmarine Heavy Bolter turret damage reduced to match the other turrets.


Assault Marines

Melta bomb fixed to affect Carnifex mobility.
Fixed an issue that caused Meltabombs to have a chance to miss their target.
Assault Marine Sergeant cost increased to 100/25 from 50/25
Assault Marine Sergeant health increased to 440, from 320.
Jump energy cost increased to 70, from 55.


Force Commander

Force commander teleporter pack armor req cost increased to 100.
Force commander 2 handed hammer special attack damage reduced to 30, from 50.
Force commander Flesh Over Steel stun duration reduced to 8 seconds, from 10.


Apothecary

Fixed an issue with the Heal ability not being able to target Terminators.
Apothecary Armor of Purity health increase reduced to 100.
Apothecary Armor of Purity heal cooldown reduction bonus reduced to 0.65, from 0.5.
Apothecary heal tuned to heal heroes more, heal over time effect reduced
Apothecary chainsword damage reduced to 33 from 38.
Apothecary Sanguine Chainsword damage reduced to 50, from 65.
Apothecary power axe damage reduced to 85, from 100.
Angels of death cost increased to 500 from 400, cooldown increased to 3 minutes from 1 minute.


Techmarine

Techmarine mine cost increased to 65 energy from 50.
Blessing of the Omnissiah recharge time increased to 150, from 50.


Predator

Predator Autocannon now has a 100% chance to generate cover when it hits the ground, up from 50%.


Eldar

Falcon and Fire Prism can now reverse.
Webway gate psychic might cost increased to 125 from 90.
Fixed an issue with the Fleet of Foot tool tip not saying that it causes a damage reduction.
Eldritch storm crater now generates light cover.


Guardians

Shuriken Catapult damage decreased to 12, from 14.
Warlock Leader cost increased to 65/15, from 50/15.


Howling Banshees

Banshee War Shout radius reduced to 8, from 15 and will no longer affect retreating units.
Banshee charge speed bonus reduced to 2 meters/s from 3 meters/s
Banshee Exarch leap damage reduced to 20 from 40.
Knockdown from Banshee leap removed.
Banshee Exarch gains knockdown on leap with Executioner upgrade.
Executioner special attack no longer affects allies.
Aspect of Banshee changed to provide Warshout and Exarch Executioner.
Exarch upgrade changed to provide squad speed increase.
Exarch upgrade cost increased to 85/15 from 50/15.


Rangers

Detection radius set to 30.
Long Rifle damage increased to 180, from 160.
Ranger cost decreased to 360/25.


Farseer

Farseer Armor of Asuryan requsition cost increased to 200 from 150.
Farseer Rune Armor health regeneration reduced.


Seer Council

Seer council zeal cost reduced to 600.
Seer council req cost reduced to 700.
Seer Council Singing spear damage reduced to 80 from 100.


Warlock

Warlock providence now affects Ethereal Slash cooldown.
Warlock energy drain on Merciless Witchblade reduced to 30 per hit, from 60.
Warlock Witchblade of Kurnous cost increased to 125/30.
Warlock Warp Throw power cost increased to 45.
Warlock Warp Throw recharge time increased to 45 seconds.


Warp Spiders

Fixed an issue that caused Haywire Grenades to have a chance to miss their target.
Warp Spider Deathspinner damage reduced to 21, from 25.
Warp Spider Exarch damage reduced to 34, from 37.
Warp spider Exarch damage modifier removed.
Exarch upgrade cost increased to 85/15.
Aspect of Warp Spider cost increased to 50/20.
Jump cost increased to 30 energy.


Warp Spider Exarch

Warpspider Exarch Phase Shift duration reduced to 10 seconds.
Warpspider Exarch Entangle duration reduced to 5 seconds.
Warpspider Heavy Gauge Filament energy drain increased to 4.5 per second from 3.5.
Spider's Brood cost increased to 350 requisition, from 125.
Jump cost increased to 30 energy.
Group Teleport cooldown increased to 90 seconds.


D-Cannon

Singularity ability on D-cannon fixed to deal damage at correct time.
D-cannon damage increased to 220 from 120, damage table changed.


Wraithlord

Wraithlord Shuriken Cannon damage reduced from 300 to 200.
Wraithlord Brightlance damage reduced to 100, from 170.
Wraithlord Brightlance upgrade requisition cost increased to 100, from 60. Power cost reduced to 40, from 60.
Wraithlord Shuriken Cannon upgrade requisition cost increased to 100, from 40.


Fire Prism

Dispersed beam area reduced to 10 meters, Focused beam damage increased to 200, reload decreased to 7 seconds from 8
Fire Prism shot now generates light cover instead of heavy cover.


Avatar

Avatar cost increased to 1000/250, hp increased to 7000 from 6000, leveling curve on hp decreased to 10% per level from 15%, build time increased to 90 seconds


Orks


Slugga Boyz

Slugga Nob cost increased to 75/25, from 50/25.


Mekboy

Mekboy Dakka Deffgun power cost increased to 30, from 20.
Mekboy Dakka Deffgun damage reduced to 350, from 450. Damage tuned such that the Mekboy's Deffgun does not ramp up as highly in damage at close range.

Banner Aura speed bonus reduced to .25, from .45
Banner Aura received damage modifier reduced to .94 from .91
Banner Aura received courage damage modifier reduced to .94 from .91
Banner Aura damage modifier reduced to 1.06 from 1.09
Supa Tuff Beam energy drain reduced to 3.5/sec from 7/sec.
Electric Shock energy drain reduced to 4/sec from 5/sec.


Warboss

Warboss Kustom Shoota changed to light weapon knockback.
Warboss Kustom Shoota knockback chance reduced to 10%.
Warboss Huge Choppa special attack changed to affect only enemy troops.
Warboss Boss Pole received courage damage modifier reduced to 0.5, from 0.25.


Stikkbommas

Stikkbomb damage reduced to 175, from 260.
Fixed a bug that was causing Stikkbombs to do far less damage than intended.
Stikkbomb explosions now generate light cover.


Stormboys

Stormboy Suicide attack now generates light cover.
Stormboy Nob cost increased to 75/25, from 50/25.


Kommando Nob

Kommando Camo Armor requisition cost increased to 100.
Kommando Kaboom recharge time increased to 20 seconds from 10.
Kommando Extra Equipment energy bonus reduced to 75, from 235.
Kommando Remote Detonation now generates light cover.
Boomtime explosion now generates light cover.


Kommandos

Kommando ambush ability range reduced to 35 meters from 50
Kommando shoota range reduced to 25, from 29, damage increased to 30, from 25.
Burna Bomb damage increased from 10 to 20, damage over time increased to 20 from 15.
Kommando Nob Leader detection radius set to 30.
Kommando Nob cost increased to 75/25, from 50/25.


Ork Waaagh shout ability

Waaagh shout speed bonus reduced to .07 from .1
Waaagh shout damage bonus reduced to 1.015 from 1.02.
Waaagh shout received damage reduction decreased to 0.985, from 0.98.
Waaagh shout received courage damage decreased to 0.996 from 0.985
Waaagh shout cooldown increased to 90 seconds from 60.


Wartrukk

Detection radius set to 30.


Looted Tank

Ork tank shot now has a 100% chance to generate cover, up from 50%.
Ork tank Boomgun now always generates cover.


Tyranids

Fixed a bug where the death of synapse creatures hurt the Tyranids around them twice instead of once.
Tyrannoformation tendrils now all generate light cover.
Fixed an issue with all Warrior and Zoanthrope synapse auras not increasing in effect with level. Additionally, the bonuses gained from leveling will stack with other synapse creatures.


Hive Tyrant

Brood Nest biomass cost increased to 225 from 175.
Hive Tyrant charge range increased from 10 to 15 meters, cooldown of charge decreased to 4 seconds from 6, speed increased to 4.5 from 4.
Health increased by 200.


Spore Mines

Spore mine explosion radius reduced to 8, from 15.


Lictor

Detection radius set to 30.
Flesh hook damage reduced to 180 from 230, can no longer target platforms.
HP increased to 600 from 500.
Damage decreased to 34, from 51.


Ravener

Ravener Devourer damage increased to 85 from 68, cooldown reduced to 1.4 from 1.8.
Fleet of Claw removed from Ravener squad.
Ravener Burrow now generates light cover.


Ravener Alpha

Ravener Toxic Miasma damage reduced to 15 per tick, from 20.
Catalyst damage taken reduced to 50% over 10 seconds, damage multiplier increased to 2.25, from 2.


Warriors

Increased damage of warrior melee with adrenal glands to 60, from 42.
Increased cost of warrior adrenal glands to 100/30, from 50/15.


Termagant

Termagant knockdown chance while under ranged synapse reduced to 25%, from 35%.


Zoanthrope

Zoanthrope reload reduced to 8 seconds, from 10.3
Fixed an issue with the Zoanthrope losing energy when leveling.


Carnifex

Increased cost of Venom Cannon to 100/30, from 30/10.
Increased cost of Barbed Strangler to 100/30, from 30/10.
I don't like it.

[Koggit]

Is there a hotkey in blizzard games to instantly select your HQ without taking up one of your assignments? Theres a dedicated button for it in DoW2.

Maybe there was in WC3 but I don't remember.

Not really.. but there's also no HQ. There's a Town Hall / Tree of Life / Necropolis.. but that's hardly the same, since it only trains workers and you have more than one and don't lose if it dies.

As an equally crucial hotkey WC3 has spacebar, which brings you to the last active object. It's sort of a smart-hotkey.. it associates itself with the most recent building of yours to either finish an upgrade, train a unit, or be attacked.

[Klank]

I played a few games with the space marines after the patch and they really seem much stronger now. The tac squad with rocket launcher really kicks ass now.

[Klank]

Less than a week till this game comes out now. The beta is still going on and its still buggy as all get out. I rarely get through a game where someone does not lock up or drop from the game. I hope the release is better than this. I really love the game play but the bugs are killing me.

[Vanigan]

The release day patch will have another code patch. The problem with the beta is that due to GFWL, they can't just throw out code patches since MS requires certifications for anything they release. As such, they were mainly able to fix smaller balance issues.

I've gotten really good playing as the orks, specifically the Kommando Nob. A lot of people won't like playing him, but he's great even though he requires quite a bit of finesse. He's definitely a trouble maker, his abilities allow him to do all sorts of nasty stuff. His remote bombs can blow up entire power points, costing the enemy team a lot of requisition in the process. His knife is just plain powerful, and by infiltrating around he can disrupt all sorts of defenses and incoming attacks either by just sneaking up and attacking something critical (like a suppression weapon) or using his bombs to throw everyone around.

[Klank]

The release day patch will have another code patch. The problem with the beta is that due to GFWL, they can't just throw out code patches since MS requires certifications for anything they release. As such, they were mainly able to fix smaller balance issues.

I've gotten really good playing as the orks, specifically the Kommando Nob. A lot of people won't like playing him, but he's great even though he requires quite a bit of finesse. He's definitely a trouble maker, his abilities allow him to do all sorts of nasty stuff. His remote bombs can blow up entire power points, costing the enemy team a lot of requisition in the process. His knife is just plain powerful, and by infiltrating around he can disrupt all sorts of defenses and incoming attacks either by just sneaking up and attacking something critical (like a suppression weapon) or using his bombs to throw everyone around.


I love his death bomb. Works great against the nids. The whole brood gathers up around you to beat you to death and as soon as you die BOOM! so do they.

[Kaijufan]

The release day patch will have another code patch. The problem with the beta is that due to GFWL, they can't just throw out code patches since MS requires certifications for anything they release. As such, they were mainly able to fix smaller balance issues.

It's kind of strange they went with Game for Windows and then decided to use Steam as DRM, it would of just been easier to use Steam for everything.

Well I ordered my copy from Amazon a few weeks ago (after it was announced Steam would be the DRM) since I had a coupon there, but of course I used free shipping so it's hard to say when Amazon will send it out to me.

[Serik]

According to a guy who claims he talked to a Relic dev at PAX, GFWL was used because the matchmaking was, at the time, better than Steamworks'.

So while Steam would allow Relic to release patches without dealing with MS certification b.s., GFWL evidently gives them what they want with regards to multiplayer.

I still hate GFWL.

[Klank]

According to a guy who claims he talked to a Relic dev at PAX, GFWL was used because the matchmaking was, at the time, better than Steamworks'.

So while Steam would allow Relic to release patches without dealing with MS certification b.s., GFWL evidently gives them what they want with regards to multiplayer.

I still hate GFWL.


Why do you hate GFWL. Its worked out great in the beta. The matchmaking was nice and I like that its linked to all my friends on Xbox live and Zune.

[crystalklear64]

Yea i hate it too.

So slow and clumsy feeling.

And the invite system? I can barely get around it on the 360 but give it a pass since its a console, but no excuses on the pc.

[jalu6]

IGN gave it a 9, which seems like a good sign. Still trying to decide whether to wait on this or not, as I'm still not done with Red Alert 3, and my feeble brain can't handle more than 1 RTS at a time.

I dug DoW 1 though, so maybe by the time I get around to buy it we'll see a price drop?

[Ultramontane]

Does anyone have issues with searching for playable matches? It's taken me on avg 10-15mins to find matches. I do have a low rank, but was wondering if it's something else?

[redshadow]

It was relatively slow in beta too.



Other than that though, this game is SICK!

[Kaijufan]

10-15 minutes does seem way too high. It usually took me 2-3 minutes to find a game.

[DukeEdwardI]

ive been really excited for this game for a long time and i don't have much else on my plate at the moment so i'll probably pick it up and plow through the SP mode a few times. The 1up review (A-) made it sound like a lot of fun with the loot aspect.

If i'm brave enough i might even take it online. If there is anybody here who wants to play online but only casually, not against the super competitive players, go ahead and add me. Be warned though, i'll more than likely be terrible.

[Kayden]

Who is Cyrus' voice actor? It's driving me nuts. I think it's David Hayter... but I can't be sure. Imdb is no help.

[DukeEdwardI]

just picked up my copy from best buy! had a reward zone certificate so i got it for about $30!

[Klank]

I wish there was more than just 1 new 6 player map. I played the other 3 maps quite a bit in the beta and it would have been nice to at least have 3 new maps rather than just 1. Though for a game this big I really had hoped it would be more like 10 maps.

[DukeEdwardI]

yeah, the so little maps kinda sucks, but i assume they'll release a whole bunch down the line.

[aznguyen316]

got it the other day, first RTS I've picked up for PC since.. Warcraft III lol, good fun I love the direction it went for the action RPG. Enjoying it very much. I played CivRev on the PS3 for a bit too but on the PC, this is good stuff. Plus achievements for me = win. and steam too. I like steam =D

[crystalklear64]

need an expansion so i can be tau :)