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jmcc
09-16-2004, 09:41 PM
I was just looking at the video for MK3 at IGN and it seems that they're giving us UMK3 plus Rain and Noob instead of just MK3. How nice is that?

Ledhed
09-16-2004, 09:44 PM
I suppose it somewhat alleviates the omission of MK1. Still a bit miffed about that though...

jmcc
09-16-2004, 09:47 PM
I suppose it somewhat alleviates the omission of MK1. Still a bit miffed about that though...

Can't you get it in a deluxe edition of MK: D? If you want it that bad you can always spend the extra 10 dollars.

Ledhed
09-16-2004, 09:51 PM
Can't you get it in a deluxe edition of MK: D? If you want it that bad you can always spend the extra 10 dollars.

Yes actually. That's the reason it's no longer in MAT 2. I wouldn't be so mad if it weren't for the fact that it was going to be on MAT 2, but then they just had to do this MK: D SE thing and take it out. I just think it's a bit ridiculous.

punqsux
09-16-2004, 09:57 PM
I suppose it somewhat alleviates the omission of MK1. Still a bit miffed about that though...

Can't you get it in a deluxe edition of MK: D? If you want it that bad you can always spend the extra 10 dollars.

please give a link to where mk:d SE is $15 or less

kthnx!

pimpinc333
09-16-2004, 10:00 PM
This collection looks the best yet

PaulEMoz
09-16-2004, 10:07 PM
I suppose it somewhat alleviates the omission of MK1. Still a bit miffed about that though...

Can't you get it in a deluxe edition of MK: D? If you want it that bad you can always spend the extra 10 dollars.

Someone else touched on this before. You now have to buy the SE of MK:D to get MK1, which means having to spend an extra sixty dollars. I'm not getting MK:D, but I would have been quite keen on having MK1 in Arcade Treasures 2. Still, I suppose pulling it to have as a bonus with the new MK game makes sense from some perspectives.

jmcc
09-16-2004, 10:09 PM
I suppose it somewhat alleviates the omission of MK1. Still a bit miffed about that though...

Can't you get it in a deluxe edition of MK: D? If you want it that bad you can always spend the extra 10 dollars.

Someone else touched on this before. You now have to buy the SE of MK:D to get MK1, which means having to spend an extra sixty dollars. I'm not getting MK:D, but I would have been quite keen on having MK1 in Arcade Treasures 2. Still, I suppose pulling it to have as a bonus with the new MK game makes sense from some perspectives.

If you're not getting MK: D why would you want MK1? You're clearly not a fan of the series, since MK: D looks to be the best one since MK2.

Ledhed
09-16-2004, 10:13 PM
If you're not getting MK: D why would you want MK1? You're clearly not a fan of the series, since MK: D looks to be the best one since MK2.

I want MK1 because I am a fan of the older MK's. I've hated every iteration after UMK3, and this was my oppurtunity to be able to play all of them without shelling out $80. I am a true fan, just not of any of the recent ones.

CaseyRyback
09-16-2004, 10:13 PM
I really like Deadly Alliance and do plan on getting this one, but with Midway lately their games have been hitting 30 rather quickly and I have a ton of other fighters I need to play.

That said I will probably end up getting this game for Christmas (unless I get the Neo Geo I have been wanting)

punqsux
09-16-2004, 10:13 PM
I suppose it somewhat alleviates the omission of MK1. Still a bit miffed about that though...

Can't you get it in a deluxe edition of MK: D? If you want it that bad you can always spend the extra 10 dollars.

Someone else touched on this before. You now have to buy the SE of MK:D to get MK1, which means having to spend an extra sixty dollars. I'm not getting MK:D, but I would have been quite keen on having MK1 in Arcade Treasures 2. Still, I suppose pulling it to have as a bonus with the new MK game makes sense from some perspectives.

If you're not getting MK: D why would you want MK1? You're clearly not a fan of the series, since MK: D looks to be the best one since MK2.

you logic is like swiss cheese

if you dont want to pay 60$ for mk1 youre not a fan.

good one

CaseyRyback
09-16-2004, 10:21 PM
I have yet to figure out people's obsession with MK1. The game blows hard. Everyone who bitches about wanting it will play it for like 10 minutes, realize it sucks, and begin to play Deception or go and buy MAT2 to play MKII.

jmcc
09-16-2004, 10:22 PM
I suppose it somewhat alleviates the omission of MK1. Still a bit miffed about that though...

Can't you get it in a deluxe edition of MK: D? If you want it that bad you can always spend the extra 10 dollars.

Someone else touched on this before. You now have to buy the SE of MK:D to get MK1, which means having to spend an extra sixty dollars. I'm not getting MK:D, but I would have been quite keen on having MK1 in Arcade Treasures 2. Still, I suppose pulling it to have as a bonus with the new MK game makes sense from some perspectives.

If you're not getting MK: D why would you want MK1? You're clearly not a fan of the series, since MK: D looks to be the best one since MK2.

you logic is like swiss cheese

if you dont want to pay 60$ for mk1 youre not a fan.

good one

So, to clarify: you're a HUGE MK fan, but don't want MK: D for some reason, and ALSO aren't willing to pay 60 dollars for an arcade perfect version of MK1 that you really seem to want, given your high, girlish sobbing here? And you're pointing out holes in my logic?

Ledhed
09-16-2004, 10:23 PM
I have yet to figure out people's obsession with MK1. The game blows hard. Everyone who bitches about wanting it will play it for like 10 minutes, realize it sucks, and begin to play Deception or go and buy MAT2 to play MKII.

You're totally right. In my mind, nothing will surpass MKII. But the 'completeness' of it is too alluring.

jmcc
09-16-2004, 10:23 PM
I have yet to figure out people's obsession with MK1. The game blows hard. Everyone who bitches about wanting it will play it for like 10 minutes, realize it sucks, and begin to play Deception or go and buy MAT2 to play MKII.

That's about where I am too. It's not that great a game. It's exclusion from MAT2 takes very little away. The apparent inclusion of UMK3+ more than makes up for it.

CaseyRyback
09-16-2004, 10:27 PM
I have yet to figure out people's obsession with MK1. The game blows hard. Everyone who bitches about wanting it will play it for like 10 minutes, realize it sucks, and begin to play Deception or go and buy MAT2 to play MKII.

You're totally right. In my mind, nothing will surpass MKII. But the 'completeness' of it is too alluring.

MKII is the only one I really like aside from Deadly Alliance. I think 3 went overboard with all the memorization you had to have, and after that it just got really lame.

Completeness to me is forgetting about the others because they tarnish the awesomeness of MKII and DA

MCalvert1
09-16-2004, 10:35 PM
I learned my ($80) lesson with Robotech: Battlecry. I'll pick this game up when it hits the bargain bin.

MjC

Nirvanaguy777
09-16-2004, 10:37 PM
its 20 bucks so its basically a bargain bin game, ill get it

Scrubking
09-16-2004, 11:09 PM
MK3 stinks.

And I'm boycotting midway for taking out MK in an effort to cash in with "special" versions of the new MK game. :puke:

punqsux
09-16-2004, 11:16 PM
So, to clarify: you're a HUGE MK fan
no, im not, never claimed i was.

but don't want MK: D for some reason
not that i dont want it, i have enough games to play as is to be buying games at full price, and many other games warrant full price purchasesat 40 or 50 dollars, let alone 60 dollars.

and ALSO aren't willing to pay 60 dollars for an arcade perfect version of MK1 that you really seem to want
damn right.

given your high, girlish sobbing here?
:cry:

And you're pointing out holes in my logic?
yes i am, your logic which youve backed up very poorly.[/b]

jmcc
09-16-2004, 11:34 PM
And you're pointing out holes in my logic?
yes i am, your logic which youve backed up very poorly.[/b]

I've backed up my logic just fine. If you like MK1 you fall into one of two camps:

1) you like it to the insane degree where 60 dollars for an arcade perfect version of it is a small price to pay to get your sick brain some smelly ol' MK1
or
2) you're a fan of the series in general, in which case the extra 10 dollars isn't a crushing burdon, because you want MK: D already and having all the iterations of the series under one room strikes you as cool.

I question the logic of complaining about something you seemingly don't want, though. What's the problem? You said now that you're not a big MK fan and you don't want MK: D, so how are you losing out here? MAT2 has more than enough value even without MK1.

Ledhed
09-16-2004, 11:42 PM
2) you're a fan of the series in general, in which case the extra 10 dollars isn't a crushing burdon, because you want MK: D already and having all the iterations of the series under one room strikes you as cool.

Perhaps he is a fan of only the older versions such as I am. Is that really a stretch of the imagination?

The point is, Midway took it out simply so they could justify people to buy the inflated SE of Deception. Had they never planned to have it in MAT 2 at all it wouldn't be so bad. But for them to tell us that we'll have it in MAT 2, and then decide to tack it onto a $60 game is just crazy in my eyes.

sj41
09-16-2004, 11:42 PM
So, to clarify: you're a HUGE MK fan
no, im not, never claimed i was.

but don't want MK: D for some reason
not that i dont want it, i have enough games to play as is to be buying games at full price, and many other games warrant full price purchasesat 40 or 50 dollars, let alone 60 dollars.

and ALSO aren't willing to pay 60 dollars for an arcade perfect version of MK1 that you really seem to want
damn right.

given your high, girlish sobbing here?
:cry:

And you're pointing out holes in my logic?
yes i am, your logic which youve backed up very poorly.[/b]You've been Sweeney'd. The boldness of punqsux is amazing. :wink:

jmcc
09-16-2004, 11:48 PM
So, to clarify: you're a HUGE MK fan
no, im not, never claimed i was.

but don't want MK: D for some reason
not that i dont want it, i have enough games to play as is to be buying games at full price, and many other games warrant full price purchasesat 40 or 50 dollars, let alone 60 dollars.

and ALSO aren't willing to pay 60 dollars for an arcade perfect version of MK1 that you really seem to want
damn right.

given your high, girlish sobbing here?
:cry:

And you're pointing out holes in my logic?
yes i am, your logic which youve backed up very poorly.[/b]You've been Sweeney'd. The boldness of punqsux is amazing. :wink:

The bold tag is for lazy chumps. Quote tag fo' evar!

PaulEMoz
09-16-2004, 11:48 PM
Haha, this thread went all to hell! :D

From my point of view, all I said was "I would be quite keen to get it on Arcade Treasures 2". I quite liked it at the time, and would have liked to play it again. I've never really taken any interest in any of the MK games after that, although I did buy Deadly Alliance, which I loaded once and never touched again.

As for Arcade Treasures 2, it really doesn't make much sense for a compilation to have numbers 2 and 3 in a series, but not the original. Either have all of them, or none of them. Hell, put all of the MK games on a bonus disc with Deception. That would make more sense than cutting the original from a compilation but not its sequels.

jmcc
09-16-2004, 11:52 PM
2) you're a fan of the series in general, in which case the extra 10 dollars isn't a crushing burdon, because you want MK: D already and having all the iterations of the series under one room strikes you as cool.

Perhaps he is a fan of only the older versions such as I am. Is that really a stretch of the imagination?

I should say so, considering pretty much any other [proper] MK game is better than MK1 by an order of magnitude.

The point is, Midway took it out simply so they could justify people to buy the inflated SE of Deception. Had they never planned to have it in MAT 2 at all it wouldn't be so bad. But for them to tell us that we'll have it in MAT 2, and then decide to tack it onto a $60 game is just crazy in my eyes.

They're looking out for you. Too much MK in one area is dangerous, and you're berating them for caring about you. For shame!

Death2Sanity
09-16-2004, 11:56 PM
MAT 2 has Arch Rivals.

Everything else is just icing.

Ilovephysics
09-17-2004, 03:10 PM
I'm more upset they removed S.T.U.N. Runner.. now the only version I know of is on the Atari Lynx (which really was decent, but certainly not the arcade quality I was hoping for)... heh

punqsux
09-17-2004, 03:15 PM
And you're pointing out holes in my logic?
yes i am, your logic which youve backed up very poorly.[/b]

I've backed up my logic just fine. If you like MK1 you fall into one of two camps:

1) you like it to the insane degree where 60 dollars for an arcade perfect version of it is a small price to pay to get your sick brain some smelly ol' MK1
or
2) you're a fan of the series in general, in which case the extra 10 dollars isn't a crushing burdon, because you want MK: D already and having all the iterations of the series under one room strikes you as cool.

I question the logic of complaining about something you seemingly don't want, though. What's the problem? You said now that you're not a big MK fan and you don't want MK: D, so how are you losing out here? MAT2 has more than enough value even without MK1.

i dont fall in to either of those groups and i like mk 1...
what now?

Zenithian Legend
09-17-2004, 03:18 PM
Uh oh, I think I just walked into Normandy...

rebenns
09-17-2004, 03:21 PM
I'm pissed over the removal of Stun Runner and Steel Talons also, but this was supposedly done because current systems are not powerful enough to handle emulation of these titles. As for the removal of MK1, well, look how many of you decided to preorder MK:D. UMK3 is a decent substitute, even if it is more of an expansion pack than a separate title, and makes perfect sense, as UMK3 and MK3 share many of the same ROMs.

jmcc
09-17-2004, 03:23 PM
And you're pointing out holes in my logic?
yes i am, your logic which youve backed up very poorly.[/b]

I've backed up my logic just fine. If you like MK1 you fall into one of two camps:

1) you like it to the insane degree where 60 dollars for an arcade perfect version of it is a small price to pay to get your sick brain some smelly ol' MK1
or
2) you're a fan of the series in general, in which case the extra 10 dollars isn't a crushing burdon, because you want MK: D already and having all the iterations of the series under one room strikes you as cool.

I question the logic of complaining about something you seemingly don't want, though. What's the problem? You said now that you're not a big MK fan and you don't want MK: D, so how are you losing out here? MAT2 has more than enough value even without MK1.

i dont fall in to either of those groups and i like mk 1...
what now?

You're in the group that doesn't like it too terribly much and just loves to complain.

punqsux
09-17-2004, 03:24 PM
And you're pointing out holes in my logic?
yes i am, your logic which youve backed up very poorly.[/b]

I've backed up my logic just fine. If you like MK1 you fall into one of two camps:

1) you like it to the insane degree where 60 dollars for an arcade perfect version of it is a small price to pay to get your sick brain some smelly ol' MK1
or
2) you're a fan of the series in general, in which case the extra 10 dollars isn't a crushing burdon, because you want MK: D already and having all the iterations of the series under one room strikes you as cool.

I question the logic of complaining about something you seemingly don't want, though. What's the problem? You said now that you're not a big MK fan and you don't want MK: D, so how are you losing out here? MAT2 has more than enough value even without MK1.

i dont fall in to either of those groups and i like mk 1...
what now?

You're in the group that doesn't like it too terribly much and just loves to complain.

see! there IS a third group :wink:

Mospeada_21
09-18-2004, 02:46 PM
I'm buying MAT2 for sure! At Best Buy with the GGC. There's 6 Best Buy's in my area, so no worries.

Whoa, I only paid $9.99 for Robotech: Battlecry at Fry's Electronics. I'm hoping they port Invasion over to the Cube soon.

Oh, I have STUN Runner and Steel Talons on my Lynx already. Steel Talons was really fun, back in the day; I finished it too. I already have several of the MAT2 titles on my still fun Lynx.

I'm mostly looking forward to the sequel of Smash TV, Total Carnage. Plus, Gauntlet 2 and others for kicks.

HOTSHIET
09-18-2004, 02:55 PM
Definately a good buy for $19.99, can't wait to enjoy the classics in its original 16-bit glory!

snakeeyez101
09-18-2004, 02:55 PM
kano and his flying cannonball suck

epobirs
09-18-2004, 03:12 PM
I'm pissed over the removal of Stun Runner and Steel Talons also, but this was supposedly done because current systems are not powerful enough to handle emulation of these titles. As for the removal of MK1, well, look how many of you decided to preorder MK:D. UMK3 is a decent substitute, even if it is more of an expansion pack than a separate title, and makes perfect sense, as UMK3 and MK3 share many of the same ROMs.

That claim is laughable nonsense. First of all, Hard Drivin' is still included and is the first incarnation of that hardware. The differences in the two major revision of that design are trivial from a modern perspective Thus most of the work has already been done.

The games have been available on freeware emulators to run on PCs of considerably less power than a modern console for years:
http://www.romnation.net/srv/roms/25458/mame/S-T-U-N-Runner-rev-6.html

There was nothing happening in these games that couldn't be replicated down to the last detail on a Pentium 133 system with a Voodoo 1 board. emulating the original hardware is more comvoluted but as I mentioned above, that part is already done. You could do it on a GBA if you adjusted for resolution.

So Midway isn't motivated by technical difficulties. It has to be some kind of IP issue or they simply decided they were needed for a later MAT.

Sporadic
09-18-2004, 06:03 PM
I can't decide if I want this (MAT 2) or Sonic Mega Collection Plus. Both look great.

Transformah
09-18-2004, 06:09 PM
Viva la MORTAL KOMBAT!

Ill gladly drop 80 for MK 1, 2, 3 and the fantastic looking MK D.

F,D,F, HP <Performs Sub Zero's head rip>