Best WR In The League!?!?!

[pimpinc333]

Just like the topic states, "Who is the best WR in the NFL". For me it would have to be wither: Randy Moss or T. Owens. My friend says that TO is way better then Moss, but he's a Eagles fan so it's a little bias. This is not a flame war so don't post any flame posts. Thanks!!!

[Admiral Ackbar]

Marvin Harrison

[dafoomie]

Better to have 3-4 good recievers than one great one. A guy like Ty Law can take you out of the game.

But to answer your question, Marvin Harrison.

[pimpinc333]

O shit dude your right. Harrison is pretty damn good also. Same with Key. Johnson. Thx for your post.

[pimpinc333]

Better to have 3-4 good recievers than one great one. A guy like Ty Law can take you out of the game.

What team do u think has a lot of good WR. The only teams i can think of are the Cowboys(Johnson, Glenn, Bryant), Vikings( Moss, Burelson, Robinson), there are probably other teams I am missing because I just woke up. Keep the posts coming. Thanks again.

[chickenhawk]

I'd have to go with Marvin Harrison with the slight edge over TO, who has a slight edge over Moss.

Not flaming, but I don't think K. Johnson is even in the same league as those guys above. Johnson is 2nd tier IMHO.

[TheRaven]

Keyshawn Johnson is not anywhere close to being one of the top WRs in the league. The best WR in the league right now is Randy Moss. Marvin Harrison is a close second.

[Admiral Ackbar]

How about the raiders? They cut Brown and are using Rice sparingkly. But sopposedly they have a lot of good young talent. I don't follow the Raiders so I don't know.

[Ikohn4ever]

New England has some good recievers, Pittsburghs Duo is decent

[dafoomie]

What team do u think has a lot of good WR. The only teams i can think of are the Cowboys(Johnson, Glenn, Bryant), Vikings( Moss, Burelson, Robinson), there are probably other teams I am missing because I just woke up. Keep the posts coming. Thanks again.
Patriots have Brown, Branch, Givens, Patten, Johnson, with Graham, Watson, and Fauria at TE. Might be better 1-2 combos or 1 through 3 around the league, but 1 through 5 plus two really good TE's and one pretty good one, nobody has that kind of depth.

[Admiral Ackbar]

Oh, and I know that Rice is past his prime and probbaly retiring after this yera or next. But he deserves a nod.

From TMQ at NFL.com

"Rice has 1,521 career receptions. Second-best all-time is 1,101 by Cris Carter: Rice has done 38 percent better than the No. 2 guy. Rice has 22,488 career receiving yards gained. Second best all-time is 14,806 yards by Tim Brown of the Bucs: Rice has done 52 percent better than the No. 2 guy. Rice has 194 career receiving touchdowns. Second best all-time is 130 by Carter: Rice has done 49 percent better than the No. 2 guy. The second best all-time reception streak is 183 games by Art Monk: Rice has done 50 percent better than the No. 2 guy.

These margins are unprecedented. The NFL's all-time leading rusher, Emmitt Smith, has four percent more yards than the No. 2 guy, Barry Sanders. The NBA's all-time leading scorer, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, has four percent more points than the No. 2 guy, Karl Malone. The all-time home run leader, Hank Aaron, has over five percent more homers than the No. 2 guy, Babe Ruth. Few athletes in any sport have ever dominated statistics the way Jerry Rice dominates football receiving numbers.

Is Jerry Rice the best football player ever? You won't hear me object to that statement."

[pimpinc333]

Keyshawn is a second tier WR. My team is the Cowboys, but what he does have going for him is his hands. He is a possesion reciever and one of the best in the league as a possesion reciever.

The Raiders, hmmmm, i can't think of any other WR then Rice.

[TheRaven]

Rice is easily the best WR of all time, no questions asked. I also wouldn't put up much of an argument for best football player ever.

[WildWop]

Marvin Harrison

Harrison is the best these days, owing to Rice's age and overall nonimpact for the Raiders.

Chad Johnson belongs up there this year too, I mean he's catching all the knuckleballs coming off of Palmer's fingertips. Some really marvelous catches in the Jets game last week.

[dafoomie]

Patriots have Brown, Branch, Givens, Patten, Johnson, with Graham, Watson, and Fauria at TE. Might be better 1-2 combos or 1 through 3 around the league, but 1 through 5 plus two really good TE's and one pretty good one, nobody has that kind of depth.
Scratch that. Nobodys better 1-3. Maybe someone has a better 1-2 combo, maybe.

[pimpinc333]

What team do u think has a lot of good WR. The only teams i can think of are the Cowboys(Johnson, Glenn, Bryant), Vikings( Moss, Burelson, Robinson), there are probably other teams I am missing because I just woke up. Keep the posts coming. Thanks again.
Patriots have Brown, Branch, Givens, Patten, Johnson, with Graham, Watson, and Fauria at TE. Might be better 1-2 combos or 1 through 3 around the league, but 1 through 5 plus two really good TE's and one pretty good one, nobody has that kind of depth.

Wow how did I pass then up. Yep the Patriots do have the best WR/TE combo in the league.

If u go by statistic's Rice would be the best but he doesn't have a lot in him anymore. He still would be a 2 tier WR and he still has the hands.

[TheRaven]

Raiders are not a top WR team. They have Porter, Curry and Gabriel, besides Rice. Porter has the most talent out of all of them, but none of them have come close to proving they deserve to be mentioned at the top of anything.

[lyric706]

Torry Holt/Isaac Bruce combo is pretty lethal. Not that the Rams are playing to their potential yet...

[Grave_Addiction]

Better to have 3-4 good recievers than one great one. A guy like Ty Law can take you out of the game.

What team do u think has a lot of good WR. The only teams i can think of are the Cowboys(Johnson, Glenn, Bryant), Vikings( Moss, Burelson, Robinson), there are probably other teams I am missing because I just woke up. Keep the posts coming. Thanks again.

Yeah, I'd agree that the Cowboys have one of the best receiving groups in the league. Also Jason Whitten and Dan Campbell are two beasts at tight end. Whitten is a Pro Bowler in the making. He showed up Winslow Sunday.

[pimpinc333]

Torry Holt/Isaac Bruce combo is pretty lethal. Not that the Rams are playing to their potential yet...

Yep Holt is pretty damn good also. With Bruce, they do make a good 1-2 combo. They also make Bulger look good.

[cmdryuk]

Randy Moss is the best WR. Terrell Owens is good, and Marvin Harrison is probably the most intelligent WR around but as far as pure ability Randy Moss is tops.

[dafoomie]

Torry Holt/Isaac Bruce combo is pretty lethal. Not that the Rams are playing to their potential yet...

That was the only one I could think of that would be better 1-2. They haven't played like it yet though, and I wasn't impressed with them at all in the 2001 Super Bowl (when they were at the top of their game).

[johnnyoski]

Harrison is tops with Moss and Owens in the same tier.
The next closest group of receivers would be Hines Ward, Torry Holt and maybe Santana Moss.

Teamwise, Dallas' receivers are probably the best combined threesome and the Ram's Holt/Bruce are probably the best tandem.

[GuilewasNK]

Speaking strictly on ability Moss and Owens are heads above the other players in the league...

If you include intelligence and lack of off the field distractions, I'd take Marvin Harrison easily.

[dafoomie]

Teamwise, Dallas' receivers are probably the best combined threesome
Keyshawn Johnson, Terry Glenn, Antonio Bryant
Troy Brown, Deion Branch, David Givens/David Patten

Keyshawn is probably the best of any of these. Terry Glenn... I don't think shes as good as Branch, and theres no way Antonio Bryant is better than Givens or Patten.

[johnnyoski]

Has Troy Brown even played yet this season?
How can he even be brought up in this conversation if he hasn't?

[dafoomie]

Has Troy Brown even played yet this season?
Yes. He has one catch for 6 yards and a couple punt returns. He's been held out since we were only playing Arizona and we have a bye week. He'll be fine.

How can he even be brought up in this conversation if he hasn't?
Because we're not talking whos put up the best numbers two weeks into the season. He'll be good to go after the bye.

[CAPTTRIPahh]

good 1-2 burress and ward for the stealers

[johnnyoski]

I will take the Dallas group over them anyday.
Troy Brown is overrated imo.

[SteveMcQ]

Harrison.

Colts' WR corps isn't too bad either. Wayne and Stokely can stretch the field and go down the middle. Walters is out, but he's incredibly elusive. Some young talent, too, with Pyatt (pretty good KR, just look at last year, before his injury) and Moorehead (big target who has to have made the catch of the year thus far, albeit pre-season--you all remember right? Behind the back, around the waist, down-the-sideline, at full speed, TD grab).

Then you got Pollard and Clark at TE and Hartsock is supposed to be pretty good as well. These guys run, catch and block well.

[Sylent Khaos]

PittsBurg's WRs are great. So are the Saints (Joe Horn and Donte Stallisworth..hot damn). Marvin Harrison is the Best in the league. I put TO in second and Moss in third. Moss, as athletic as he is, is still too damn weak. TO is probally the strongest WR in the league (or second to Boston) and he still has speed. The only thing that makes Harrison better than both than them is his ability to concentrate purely on doing his job. He gets paid millions to score TDs so why celebrate when he does it?

[CaseyRyback]

It is Randy Moss, he is just that good.


As for Keyshawn, you got to remember that he has not had a quality quaterback to throw him the ball in some time. Also most of the top recievers will not go over the middle like Keyshawn and take a hit like Keyshawn.

As for Bryant, he has really matured and the past couple of weeks has been playing really well.

[dserafin1986]

Moss>>>>>>>everybody else...That's fact

[chickenhawk]

Randy Moss is the best WR. Terrell Owens is good, and Marvin Harrison is probably the most intelligent WR around but as far as pure ability Randy Moss is tops.

Pure talent and ability Moss wins without a doubt. But defining the best WR is about alot more than just ability and talent. You absolutelly have to factor in mental toughness, intelligence, and the ability to be a team player among other things. Thus, Harrison is the best receiver.

[dafoomie]

How can anyone say Troy Brown is overrated? He gets no respect and no recognition around the league. He's not flashy but he gets the job done, he's an excellent posession reciever. Probably still one of the best punt returners in the league too.

I'll take the Pats top 3, I don't even have to mention the rings.

As an aside, think about this... Troy Brown, Deion Branch, David Givens, David Patten, Bethel Johnson at WR, Daniel Graham, Ben Watson, Christian Fauria at TE, Corey Dillon at RB. Thats a lot of weapons for Tom Brady.

Randy Moss is tops.
I saw Randy Moss lay down like a dog last year. Culpepper threw him the ball over the middle and instead of taking the hit and making the catch, he stopped running and let the ball drop. No one thats as big a dog as Randy Moss can be considered the best at anything.

[johnnyoski]

I'm not saying I don't like the New England receiving corps, they just don't have the numbers or make the spectacular catches like many other receivers. They are a perfect fit for the Pats offense, but none of those guys would be more than a #2 on any other team. There is nothing wrong with that though as long as it keeps working.

[chosen1s]

It's too bad we'll never see Randy Moss's full potential. I'm not going to sit here and start a war over whether Daunte Culpepper is over-rated or whatever, but his style of play is severely damaging Randy's legacy.

Not comparing Randy to Jerry Rice directly, but for the sake of making my point - where would Jerry Rice be if Montana and Young only threw him the ball in the endzone once a game (anybody see Randy begging for Daunte to throw him the ball last night?). Granted, I didn't watch the whole game (had things to do), but when I was watching it was like Randy wasn't even on the field.

Believe it or not, I'm not even a die-hard Moss fan. But when I watched the Bulls in the 90's I expected to see Jordan score. When I watched the Lions in the 90's I expected to see Barry Sanders get the ball. When I watched the Cardinals 5 years ago I expected to see MacGwire bat. And here I am watching the Vikings (because they have the potential to be one of the most exciting teams in the NFL) and Randy Moss is where?

How do you have a tank at your disposal and insist on firing a pistol at your enemy? Oh well, I'm just a guy who likes to see some action on the football field when I watch a game.

[dafoomie]

I'm not saying I don't like the New England receiving corps, they just don't have the numbers or make the spectacular catches like many other receivers. They are a perfect fit for the Pats offense, but none of those guys would be more than a #2 on any other team. There is nothing wrong with that though as long as it keeps working.
Well, you're right, on a good team with a Moss/Owens/Harrison none of them are a #1. Brown could be on a lot of teams but not everywhere, he'd do better as a #2.

I like Dallas's top 3, especially if Parcells can get through to Terry Glenn again, I just like the Pats more (and I like Branch a lot).

[dustyeff]

Severely damaging Randy's legacy? He led the league in TDs last year, 2nd in yards, and either 1st or 2nd in catches. Culpepper throws the best deep ball in the game, which is where Randy excels. You are a tool if you think it's Daunte's fault Randy isn't putting up 200 yards and 3 TDs every game. It's not Randy's fault either, it's a little something called 'bracketing' or 'double and triple teamed every play'. It wouldn't be hard to take JESUS out of the game if you put a corner up on him, with a safety over the top, and the occasional linebacker bumping him on the line.

Barring all that, the best receiver in the league is Randy Moss, followed closely by Harrison, Owens, Holt, and Hines Ward. Guys that could be joining them soon, rookie / 2nd year guys, would have to be: Anquan Boldin (over 100 catches, pro bowl in his first year), Andre Johnson (just about 1000 yards as a rookie, built like a TANK), and Roy Williams (maybe jumping the gun a bit on him, but he's impressed so far).

Jerry Rice was the greatest of all time, but he's too old to really play like he used to.

[broke]

If we are talking about teams I agree that the Colts receivers have to be mentioned up there with any team. Harrison, Wayne (if he continues to put up numbers) and Stokley (who is always up for the big play) have the most potential. I agree that New England has talent, but their system will never put up the same numbers that the guys in Indy will. Don't get me wrong - whatever New England is doing is winning ball games, but when we look back, their receiver's numbers will look somewhat average (600-900 yds each, 6 tds). Will be fun to see how a strong RB will effect both their offense and their receiving numbers - could be the year that New England's Wide Receivers break out.

One team that hasn't been talked about is Seattle - DJ and Koren Robinson are a pretty good 1-2 punch. It will be interesting to see if they can keep their hands on the ball and have the kind of season everyone is expecting them to have. I could see them with 1,200 yds and 10 tds each - we shall see.

[Dare]

i'll agree with most people here and say T.O and Moss at the top with harrison close behind him. AS for some ones that havent been mentioned i think Chad Johnson is a pretty damn good reciever and roy williams looks like he can become a dominant wr later on.

[WarrenGekko]

NO doubt in my mind. It's Randy Moss. He is more athletic and taller and gifted than any receiver in the game. Very dangerous.

Then, I would put Keyshawn Johnson becaue he gets a lot of TDs

[chosen1s]

Severely damaging Randy's legacy? He led the league in TDs last year, 2nd in yards, and either 1st or 2nd in catches. Culpepper throws the best deep ball in the game, which is where Randy excels. You are a tool if you think it's Daunte's fault Randy isn't putting up 200 yards and 3 TDs every game. It's not Randy's fault either, it's a little something called 'bracketing' or 'double and triple teamed every play'. It wouldn't be hard to take JESUS out of the game if you put a corner up on him, with a safety over the top, and the occasional linebacker bumping him on the line.

Barring all that, the best receiver in the league is Randy Moss, followed closely by Harrison, Owens, Holt, and Hines Ward. Guys that could be joining them soon, rookie / 2nd year guys, would have to be: Anquan Boldin (over 100 catches, pro bowl in his first year), Andre Johnson (just about 1000 yards as a rookie, built like a TANK), and Roy Williams (maybe jumping the gun a bit on him, but he's impressed so far).

Jerry Rice was the greatest of all time, but he's too old to really play like he used to.

My rebuttal: You can call me a tool if you want, so here is my response:

1) Randy Moss playing with Gus Frerotte last year. Hands down, if I'm picking one QB and one Wide Receiver I'm taking Gus and Randy ANY DAY over Daunte and Randy.
2) Randy's stats last year - I submit to you that Gus Frerotte had a lot to do with that
3) Daunte Culpepper throws the best deep ball... Well, perhaps, when he throws it. But he doesn't. That's my problem.
4) If Randy Moss is being double and triple-teamed every play and has the entire defense is focused on him every play, how bad does Daunte have to suck not to be throwing 5-6 Touchdowns to other receivers? Or does the rest of the Vikings' receiving staff just suck that bad? Come on man.

I told you I wasn't going to make this a hate-discussion about Daunte Culpepper. I think he has all the talent in the world, but I think Randy's game is suffering because of his style of play. For whatever reason, when Gus was in there (No, I'm not a Frerotte fan either. I'm probably not even spelling his name right) Randy Moss was on fire because Gus wasn't afraid to throw the deep ball. Yes, I believe Randy's legacy is suffering. He is great and will always be considered great. But I believe he could be greater. Call me a tool if you want. You'll never be any more in the NFL than I will so we're all tools here anyway.

[pimpinc333]

I've liked Randy Moss ever since he was drafted in 1998, but like everyone says he doesn't like to take hits and he won't go over the middle. But, that's not Randy's game, he is purely a deep threat player. Chad Johnson is a great player, he plays good even though he has no good QB throwing him the ball.

[Jaket]

yo, this is T.O.

[Othergods]

Better to have 3-4 good recievers than one great one. A guy like Ty Law can take you out of the game.

What team do u think has a lot of good WR. The only teams i can think of are the Cowboys(Johnson, Glenn, Bryant), Vikings( Moss, Burelson, Robinson), there are probably other teams I am missing because I just woke up. Keep the posts coming. Thanks again.

Yeah, I'd agree that the Cowboys have one of the best receiving groups in the league. Also Jason Whitten and Dan Campbell are two beasts at tight end. Whitten is a Pro Bowler in the making. He showed up Winslow Sunday.

Yeah Jason Witten is awesome!!! He is a better TE than Winslow and Shockey and tougher than both put together. The way he played last season with a broken jaw really impressed me.

[johnnyoski]

I don't see how anyone can bash Culpepper.
The guy had 5 TD passes in week one and moved the ball well last night until they got in the red zone.
Let's also not forget that they were playing against one of the better defenses last night and he rarely had enough time to hold the ball long enough for any kind of a deep pass.
If you don't want Culpepper I know Lions fans will gladly take him off your hands.

[pimpinc333]

Severely damaging Randy's legacy? He led the league in TDs last year, 2nd in yards, and either 1st or 2nd in catches. Culpepper throws the best deep ball in the game, which is where Randy excels. You are a tool if you think it's Daunte's fault Randy isn't putting up 200 yards and 3 TDs every game. It's not Randy's fault either, it's a little something called 'bracketing' or 'double and triple teamed every play'. It wouldn't be hard to take JESUS out of the game if you put a corner up on him, with a safety over the top, and the occasional linebacker bumping him on the line.

Barring all that, the best receiver in the league is Randy Moss, followed closely by Harrison, Owens, Holt, and Hines Ward. Guys that could be joining them soon, rookie / 2nd year guys, would have to be: Anquan Boldin (over 100 catches, pro bowl in his first year), Andre Johnson (just about 1000 yards as a rookie, built like a TANK), and Roy Williams (maybe jumping the gun a bit on him, but he's impressed so far).

Jerry Rice was the greatest of all time, but he's too old to really play like he used to.

My rebuttal: You can call me a tool if you want, so here is my response:

1) Randy Moss playing with Gus Frerotte last year. Hands down, if I'm picking one QB and one Wide Receiver I'm taking Gus and Randy ANY DAY over Daunte and Randy.
2) Randy's stats last year - I submit to you that Gus Frerotte had a lot to do with that
3) Daunte Culpepper throws the best deep ball... Well, perhaps, when he throws it. But he doesn't. That's my problem.
4) If Randy Moss is being double and triple-teamed every play and has the entire defense is focused on him every play, how bad does Daunte have to suck not to be throwing 5-6 Touchdowns to other receivers? Or does the rest of the Vikings' receiving staff just suck that bad? Come on man.

I told you I wasn't going to make this a hate-discussion about Daunte Culpepper. I think he has all the talent in the world, but I think Randy's game is suffering because of his style of play. For whatever reason, when Gus was in there (No, I'm not a Frerotte fan either. I'm probably not even spelling his name right) Randy Moss was on fire because Gus wasn't afraid to throw the deep ball. Yes, I believe Randy's legacy is suffering. He is great and will always be considered great. But I believe he could be greater. Call me a tool if you want. You'll never be any more in the NFL than I will so we're all tools here anyway.

Yes, I do agree with everything u just said. Pep has no trust in Moss to make the big plays. All he has to do is throw the ball up and let Moss make the plays, but he doesn't. Gus would do that with Moss and the same for Cunningham when he was QB when Moss was drafted. All i'm saying is throw the ball up[ and Moss will catch it. Hopefully Pep will do that soon enough.

[pimpinc333]

I don't see how anyone can bash Culpepper.
The guy had 5 TD passes in week one and moved the ball well last night until they got in the red zone.
Let's also not forget that they were playing against one of the better defenses last night and he rarely had enough time to hold the ball long enough for any kind of a deep pass.
If you don't want Culpepper I know Lions fans will gladly take him off your hands.

I like Pep, he is a good QB but he has a big weapon in Moss and doesn't use him to his full extent. Last nights game I don't think Pep threw a deep pass to Moss at all or to anyone. All his passes where within 10 yards. His second year in the league when he got the start all he did was throw the long ball and they had alot of sucess. All i'm saying is that they throw the long ball to Moss or even Robinson.

[chosen1s]

I don't see how anyone can bash Culpepper.
The guy had 5 TD passes in week one and moved the ball well last night until they got in the red zone.
Let's also not forget that they were playing against one of the better defenses last night and he rarely had enough time to hold the ball long enough for any kind of a deep pass.
If you don't want Culpepper I know Lions fans will gladly take him off your hands.

I agree with you. All I said is that his style conflicts with Randy's and is holding Randy's personal accomplishments back. Putting Culpepper with Moss is like Putting Phil Jackson with the Bad Boys Pistons of the 80's. Both are great, but their styles don't fit.

[greendc27]

[quote=" I would put Keyshawn Johnson becaue he gets a lot of TDs[/quote]

A lot of touchdowns, He has scored a total of 9 in the last 3+ seasons (that's including this year). How is that a lot of touchdowns?

[evilpenguin9000]

While talent-wise Moss and Owens are at the top of the NFL receivers, when it comes to team stability they have some black marks. Both have caused turmoil in the past almost singlehandedly destroying the locker room camraderie of a team.

Marvin Harrison doesn't and has some incredible stats to boot. That's why I'd say he's the NFL's top receiver.

I am a big Steelers fan so I have to give some love to Hines Ward, he's in on every play and blocks like a fullback. Add that to his ability to catch the ball and he's my favorite receiver to watch.

[Admiral Ackbar]

I don't see how anyone can bash Culpepper.
The guy had 5 TD passes in week one and moved the ball well last night until they got in the red zone.
Let's also not forget that they were playing against one of the better defenses last night and he rarely had enough time to hold the ball long enough for any kind of a deep pass.
If you don't want Culpepper I know Lions fans will gladly take him off your hands.

I have to agree with you accept for one stat.

70 fumbles in 60 games.

Other than that it's hard to argue against his performance. He's a very good QB.

[johnnyoski]

^^^^^^^
That's true, but I think you will find that all of the scrambling QBs (McNabb, McNair, Vick) have excessive fumbles.

[Dare]

actually they were talking about it last night (madden and the other announcer) that mcnabb rarely fumble's, i dont know about the other QB's though. Did anyone else catch them talking about the size of culpepper's hands, and because there so small he has a hard time holding on to it.?

[tyecko]

I think the Vikings actually have a good recieve corp. We have Moss and Robinson as deep threats/ tall recievers for jumping and can play for possesion, Burleson I think will become a great #2 reciever to Moss, similar to Cris Carter when they played together. Nate has good hands and he's not a burner which Moss is so Burleson can play the possesion and Moss can go deep. Then you have Kelly Campbell who although is very small is a very good deep threat in small doses. And I have another good recieving group that no one has said yet, Seattle. They have Darrell Jackson, Koren Robinson, and I believe Bobby Engram.

[johnnyoski]

Culpepper has 70 fumbles but only lost 28 of them.
McNabb and McNair have a similar amount of fumbles lost and Vick is on pace to have more than any of them.

[dustyeff]

Culpepper's fumbles are horrible, but that's cuz he has little carnival worker hands. Can't fault a guy for not developing a set of manpaws. He just has to work at protecting the ball and getting it out faster.

[sblymnlcrymnl]

R. Moss, M. Harrison, T. Holt.

I've always used Santana Moss as my primary reciever in all games since his rookie season, and I really have no idea why. I'm not a 'Canes fan or a Jets fan, so it's really a mystery.

[sblymnlcrymnl]

I don't see how anyone can bash Culpepper.
The guy had 5 TD passes in week one and moved the ball well last night until they got in the red zone.
Let's also not forget that they were playing against one of the better defenses last night and he rarely had enough time to hold the ball long enough for any kind of a deep pass.
If you don't want Culpepper I know Lions fans will gladly take him off your hands.

Did you hear him singing Bridge Over Troubled Water last night? End of discussion.

[Zenithian Legend]

Wow not a single person has mentioned Jimmy Smith. Ignoring last year when he had the drug issues, and problems with a new quarterback and coach... Jimmy Smith has been the most consistent and productive over the past 5 years. Remember those 3 seasons that the Jaguars were dominant? Jimmy Smith was a major factor in that.

Anyway right now I'd say Randy Moss is still #1, simply because he's so much more athletic than Owens. TO is so strong though, but look how far that's gotten David Boston.

As far as the future goes, look out for Roy Williams, he's gonna be a beast. He's looked great in these first 2 games. Could be the Lion's first decent receiver since Herman Moore (before his injuries).

[pimpinc333]

Another good reciever that I like is Rod Smith.

[Dok Diamond]

Two of my favorite receivers are M.Harrison and H.Ward

[pimpinc333]

H. Ward is a great possesion WR even though I hate the Steelers.

[chickenhawk]

Remember those 3 seasons that the Jaguars were dominant? Jimmy Smith was a major factor in that.



They were really only dominant 1 year ('99) and got trounced in the conference finals that year by Tenessee. The 2 previous years they were good, but I wouldn't say they were dominant.

Jimmy Smith is good though!

[jimbodan]

Is there any debate at all? Randy Moss easily. The guy is a game changer, he forces defensive coordinators to alter their game plans to contain him with all kinds of crazy cover schemes and he still puts up pro bowl numbers and makes circus catches.

[vherub]

As great as TO is, I dont see him doing well in a bad system/on a bad team.

If he gets traded to say, the chargers and has drew brees throwing to him, hes gonna look awful, start complaining and mentally bench himself. I dont see that happening with guys like marvin or ward.

Marvin, tho, has a great qb in manning and they operate as a great tandem. Take him out of that system, and I am sure he will adapt well, but his greatness is inflated because his wagon is hitched to another star.

With ward, he puts in solid efforts game after game, regardless of how many balls are thrown to him, what his personal stats might be or who his qb. Of the great wide recievers listed, ward easily has had the most incosistent qb's throwing to him.

You can have all the talent in the world, but that doesnt mean your the "best" if youre out there half-assing it or bringing down teammates

[WarrenGekko]

[quote=" I would put Keyshawn Johnson becaue he gets a lot of TDs

A lot of touchdowns, He has scored a total of 9 in the last 3+ seasons (that's including this year). How is that a lot of touchdowns?[/quote]

I was joking about that. He thinks he is so Moss. That's why they make Bud commercials about him.

[Duo_Maxwell]

I like Chad Johnson as one of the best, especially considering his supporting cast and his age. Sure Owens, Harrison and Moss are all great WRs, but they've always had pretty decent QB's throwing the ball to them and another reciever or running back that can take the pressure off them if need be. Johnson seems to do well despite lacking those things. Plus Johnson pulls off some amazing catches from the jump balls that Palmer and Kitna have thrown his way. Harrison is very, very good too, but I think he's afraid to take a hit sometimes, which can cost them some valuable yards on occasion.

Best WR Core, 1 position through the slot position, I'd have to say Pttsburgh. Burress and Ward are both damn good, and Randle El has explosive speed and can get open just about anytime & anywhere from the slot, though he needs some hands work and more oppertunities. Oh yeah and a better QB.

[gameguy22006]

For me it also comes down to Moss and T.O. I'm a Vikings fan so I'll go with Moss. Not only does he make defensive coordinators completely alter their game plans as you guys already mentioned, but he is an incredible decoy which really opens things up for the Vikings other recievers, and makes the Vikings offense even more lethal.

[vrs1650]

Harrison, TO and then Moss. A lot of good young ones coming up, Roy Williams-Lions-gonna be great. Rice is the best of all time.

[AGuth]

Marvin Harrison all the way - - he's good in every area, including blocking and running his routes well even if he isn't Manning's target at the time. TO is a close second, and Moss gets third because of not trying hard enough to run his routes and fool the secondary if he isn't the go-to man on that down. I mean, Moss is awesome and all, but he's not the complete WR.

[killswitch64]

Marvin Harrison or Hines Ward

[Zenithian Legend]

Remember those 3 seasons that the Jaguars were dominant? Jimmy Smith was a major factor in that.



They were really only dominant 1 year ('99) and got trounced in the conference finals that year by Tenessee. The 2 previous years they were good, but I wouldn't say they were dominant.

Jimmy Smith is good though!

Trounced is a bit strong a word... they were 14-2 that season, and kicked the shit outta everyone except Tennessee... that was a rough year for me to watch. The Jags only 3 losses were to the damn Titans.

[Grave_Addiction]

Better to have 3-4 good recievers than one great one. A guy like Ty Law can take you out of the game.

What team do u think has a lot of good WR. The only teams i can think of are the Cowboys(Johnson, Glenn, Bryant), Vikings( Moss, Burelson, Robinson), there are probably other teams I am missing because I just woke up. Keep the posts coming. Thanks again.

Yeah, I'd agree that the Cowboys have one of the best receiving groups in the league. Also Jason Whitten and Dan Campbell are two beasts at tight end. Whitten is a Pro Bowler in the making. He showed up Winslow Sunday.

Yeah Jason Witten is awesome!!! He is a better TE than Winslow and Shockey and tougher than both put together. The way he played last season with a broken jaw really impressed me.

Actually, did you hear that he broke his jaw again Sunday? He said it wasn't as bad as the first time, but from what I've read, his jaw was really red and swollen.

[6hitman9]

I'd have to go with Eric Moulds of the Bills. Considering what he's been able to accomplish without a real quarterback behind him the last few years, it's scary to think what his numbers would have looked like on a real team.

[Othergods]

Yeah Jason Witten is awesome!!! He is a better TE than Winslow and Shockey and tougher than both put together. The way he played last season with a broken jaw really impressed me.

Actually, did you hear that he broke his jaw again Sunday? He said it wasn't as bad as the first time, but from what I've read, his jaw was really red and swollen.

Yeah I read that. I hope is not as bad as last year, I need him to preform great this year since Julius Jones broke his shoulder.

[Grave_Addiction]

Yeah Jason Witten is awesome!!! He is a better TE than Winslow and Shockey and tougher than both put together. The way he played last season with a broken jaw really impressed me.

Actually, did you hear that he broke his jaw again Sunday? He said it wasn't as bad as the first time, but from what I've read, his jaw was really red and swollen.

Yeah I read that. I hope is not as bad as last year, I need him to preform great this year since Julius Jones broke his shoulder.

That's too bad about JuJo. But now I'm hoping Reshard Lee can step up and show that he's for real. If he does, then I think he could overtake Julius on the depth chart when Jones returns.

[SteveMcQ]

What a horrible week for injuries. And I thought these sudden flux of injuries only occured in Madden.

My vote's still for Harrison though.

[johnnyoski]

I'd have to go with Eric Moulds of the Bills. Considering what he's been able to accomplish without a real quarterback behind him the last few years, it's scary to think what his numbers would have looked like on a real team.

Way too many fumbles and drops for him to be considered a top receiver. He is above average, but not elite.
Too his credit, it was the threat of Moulds that made P-Less Price a good receiver while he was in Buffalo. Look how bad that guy's struggling as a #1 in Atlanta.

[Duo_Maxwell]

I'd have to go with Eric Moulds of the Bills. Considering what he's been able to accomplish without a real quarterback behind him the last few years, it's scary to think what his numbers would have looked like on a real team.

Way too many fumbles and drops for him to be considered a top receiver. He is above average, but not elite.
Too his credit, it was the threat of Moulds that made P-Less Price a good receiver while he was in Buffalo. Look how bad that guy's struggling as a #1 in Atlanta.

I think every reciever struggles to get catches when Vick is the quarterback. That's not to say Vick can't thorw or isn't a good weapon (or that Price is really that good), he just doesn't put it in the air as much as...well as any QB. i mean c'mon, rarely does he ever pass for more than 250 yds and even fewer times does he pass for over 18-20 completions, when he's healthy. In contrast, I think having the possible threat of Price when he was on the other side of Moulds is sometimes what allowed moulds to do as well as he did. Having a decent 1-2 WR combo helps out both players.

[evilpenguin9000]

Why doesn't anyone ever ask who's the best offensive lineman in the league. They are way more important than WRs, IMHO. Of course they get dissed every which way, money, press, etc. They just sit in the trenches and take a beating every game, while the WR prances downfield and makes a couple of catches and gets all the publicity.

[cag1000]

obviously TO caught that pass and was so talented and gracefull with it he made it seem it was a td on mon night. He won the battle with moss and my eagles will wreck shit with any team. like i said before everyone stop watching football if u arent an eagles fan cause all your teams suck. 129.4% QB rating for Mcnabb #1 in nfl. all your corny puss teams and players are done. eagles have dominated the nfc for 3 yrs but the philly sports curse of getting close and choking prevented them. this year wont be any different. i feel sorry for all you corny midwest west coast and ny fans. eagles are the best and TO will make u cry and kearse and westbrook and pinkston and chad lewis and brian dawkins................

[Duo_Maxwell]

I think it's because everyone forgets about the O-line, hell even the NFL doesn't offically keep stats on the OL positions.

IMO the best O-line has to play as a unit, one guy can't get it done, and this is represented in the performane of the offense. I'd have to say the best o-line playing right now is in KC. Guys like Willie Roaf, Jason Welbourn and Will Shields can just kill the effectiveness of just about any D-line.

[johnnyoski]

. eagles have dominated the nfc for 3 yrs but the philly sports curse of getting close and choking prevented them. this year wont be any different.

Ok. You said it yourself buddy.

[evilpenguin9000]

I think it's because everyone forgets about the O-line, hell even the NFL doesn't offically keep stats on the OL positions.

IMO the best O-line has to play as a unit, one guy can't get it done, and this is represented in the performane of the offense. I'd have to say the best o-line playing right now is in KC. Guys like Willie Roaf, Jason Welbourn and Will Shields can just kill the effectiveness of just about any D-line.

Yeah you're right that the O-line has to work as a team, that's why football is the greatest sport, that teamwork. Kansas City's O-line is awesome, if only the defense had a clue they'd be dangerous.

[chosen1s]

I fall in the category of passive fan. I enjoy football and follow a few teams, and watch Sportscenter for the highlights but that's about it. I can't name the starting line-up for any team and pretty much am only aware of the "stars".

That being said, I think I fall pretty much in the mainstream. Why don't linemen (either side) get much attention? Because their position isn't glamorous. They do the same repetitive thing over and over again.

It's good work, don't get me wrong. Unappreciated, yes. Work harder than anybody else on the field, probably. But interesting? Not to me. When I think about what is glorious about football I'm flipping through images of Randy Moss pulling in a touchdown over 3 defenders, Keyshawn getting flipped 2 weeks ago against the Vikings, Vick or Daunte Hall (I know, totally different positions) running circles around the other team.

Even in the realm that linemen tend to do their jobs the people in other positions are more exciting. When is the last time you saw a 300-lb lineman lay a wicked blind-side block on an opposing player at full-speed? Almost never.

I know it's because I haven't played on the line and don't know the intracacies of the game, but to me watching the line is a lot like watching a bunch of fat people run into each other. Mildly amusing the first 100 times I see it but it gets a bit repetitive. Occasionally the redundancy is broken up when one of them gets their paws on the ball, or heaven help us all if one of them actually gets the ball and heads for the endzone, but 99.9% of the time they just push each other around out there.

It's a thankless job - under-rated, and hard as heck. But it's not exciting for this pseudo-fan to watch on a Sunday afternoon. And to me, it's hard to rate who is the "best" at pushing the other fat guys around out there. Usually it does seem to be the entire line that either does a really good job or a really poor job. To try to say "that guy's the best"...how?