Bioshock 2 - General Discussion & Info (Game now released!)

[Ecofreak]

Here's a review from Gametrailers.com

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/review-bioshock-2/61279

[ChernobylCow]

Maybe they will feature swimming in Bioshock 2. That would be innovative.

[Ecofreak]

Maybe they will feature swimming in Bioshock 2. That would be innovative.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but there are underwater sequences.

From the Gamespot article posted in the OP

The underwater segments are being incorporated into the game to offer a breather from the tension and generally hazardous interior action. The short walk we saw as part of our demo let our boy gain access to another part of the city that would be otherwise inaccessible if he had simply stuck to the interior. The walks will be hazard free and will give players the chance to check out the exterior of the city (which looks incredibly cool) as well as the surrounding ocean life. One of the more-interesting and subtle details you'll see throughout the game is the impact that Rapture and ADAM are having on the larger sea environment. As it turns out, it's not a very pretty impact. Coral and plants are shaped oddly and mesh weirdly with the city. It's beautiful but also a little creepy.

[ChernobylCow]

Yeah I was being sarcastic. I remember beating Bioshock when it was brand new on PC and looking back and remembering no swimming/underwater sequences (unlike Half-Life 1/2 which frightened me with their underwater antics!). Now that I think about it you are swimming right at the beginning of the game...but uh, that don't count.

[Xeph820]

Haven't played bioshock yet.
I might get it when bioshock 2 comes out so it'll be cheaper.
Heard its really scary though, I dont like playing scary games by myself lol!

The interview video is very nice tho =)

[Breakpoint]

Thanks for creating this thread, I know this game will be a lot better than the first since they will have experience now on the PS3

[mykevermin]

I like that the music is more contemporary than the music from the first title, that, combined with the atmosphere of Rapture, really shows how stagnant the city is, yet places you several years in the future.

Tho' it sounded like a generic hybrid of 'sleepwalk.' that's gotta be public domain by now, no?

Totally, totally stoked for this game.

[DarkKenpachi]

looks great so far. I will probably end up getting this on 360 though to keep up with the whole be able to play a game franchise on one console theme I have going

[tinman_licks]

You play as the original Big Daddy and fight against Big Sisters. Sounds pretty lame to me though.

Found the artwork for Big Sisters here.

http://www.xboxist.com/xbox-360/news/bioshock-2-gets-simultaneous-multiplatform-release-010079.php

[Teh Nitwit]

Bioshock doesn't need a sequel. Rapture was a ruin.

I'm gonna have to be skeptical about this until convinced otherwise.

I'd prefer if they came up with another idea for a new game.

[Ecofreak]

You play as the original Big Daddy and fight against Big Sisters. Sounds pretty lame to me though.

Found the artwork for Big Sisters here.

http://www.xboxist.com/xbox-360/news/bioshock-2-gets-simultaneous-multiplatform-release-010079.php

There's only 1 Big Sister, not multiples. The ranks of the Little Sisters have grown again, however.

Bioshock doesn't need a sequel. Rapture was a ruin.

I'm gonna have to be skeptical about this until convinced otherwise.

I'd prefer if they came up with another idea for a new game.

I was questioning the need for a sequel, but changed my mind after reading the Gamespot article linked in the OP. Read it if you get the chance -- may change your mind.

[Ecofreak]

Updated OP w/ a new developer interview.

Interesting point -- you can find the ADAM slugs while traversing the waters between zones and take them for your own. Interesting...

[Ecofreak]

New developer video -- it's basically the trailer we've all seen but fully expanded with some developer commentary. A great watch!

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/49252.html

[Ecofreak]

I'm such an idiot for watching the first 30 minutes and the ending on YouTube ~6 months before the BioShock port for PS3 was announced so now I'm avoiding that 9 minute gameplay since I don't want to spoil what's left for my virgin journey in Rapture until the first game gets to $15.

How much do we know about multiplayer and how it'll play? Straight up deathmatch with plasmids or more unique?

I forgot to include new information on the multiplayer section. Sounds good to me -- not tacked on but given actual thought and effort.

From the "be careful what you wish for" file, we've got the first details on the BioShock 2 multiplayer you all wanted so very much after the first game. You'll play as a Plasmid test subject working for Sinclair Solutions during the fall of Rapture as you battle other players in re-worked game locales like Kashmir Restaurant and Mercury Suites.

Victory over your opponents will yield experience that you can spend on new Plasmids, weapons and tonics. If you can take it, you can read all about the mode right here. (http://ir.take2games.com/releaseDetail.cfm?ReleaseID=382773) The mode's being developed by Digital Extremes, which you likely remember for its work on Dark Sector. (http://www.joystiq.com/tag/dark-sector)

... Hey, why do you all look so depressed? What? Us? No, we're not crying. Why would you *sniff* think that?

[Ecofreak]

New Fact Sheet from E3 posted in the OP, although not much new information.

[Ecofreak]

New E3 Multiplayer Developer interview.

[Shrapnellistic]

Multiplayer Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdknWjyIwXw)

Pretty much what I expected, but goddamn I bet the singleplayer will see the return of research photos (wasn't fun first time around).

[Darknyss]

Pretty much what I expected, but goddamn I bet the singleplayer will see the return of research photos (wasn't fun first time around).
I didn't mind the research photos. At least there was a significant boost to your character for doing them.

Now, collecting all those audio diaries... that's another story!

[Ecofreak]

Pretty much what I expected, but goddamn I bet the singleplayer will see the return of research photos (wasn't fun first time around).

I'm ambivalent about the MP, honestly.

[Shrapnellistic]

Anyone else would've preferred an arena filled with 12 prototype Big Daddies or is it just me?

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/759/bioshock2multiplayer001.jpghttp://img179.imageshack.us/img179/9376/bioshock2multiplayer002.jpg

Imagine an 'Oddball' (Halo series) spin-off with Little Sisters. :lol:

[smiggity]

Oh wow. Allen Goode is working on this MP project? He is garbage and an outright liar. Down with Bioshock 2!!!!!!

[TC]

I'm ambivalent about the MP, honestly.

Yeah I hear ya. They could have left it out and I still would have paid $60 for a good new single player experience. Guess it doesn't really matter though. As long as the single player is good I'll be happy. The multiplayer was never a factor in my purchasing decision for this game.

[Shrapnellistic]

Worldwide Release Date: 9 Feb. '10

Chaingun v. golfclub... one more reason why multiplayer should of used prototype Big Daddies.

http://www.oxmonline.com/files/u17834/BioShock2_PressStill_June15_013_copy_copy.jpg
Source (http://www.oxmonline.com/article/features/mag/bioshock-2-0?page=0%2C2)

[blissskr]

From watching the multiplayer trailer I think it looks like crap, hoping that Im proved wrong but it just looked kind of stupid to me and really unbalanced and frantic. That being said Im still buying this game day one for single player and I actually just received my promo Rapture record in the mail today which is cool. Im also hoping for a collectors edition release of some sort.

[johnnypark]

Just finished the original Bioshock and I have to say it's sequel looks like crap. The 1st game concludes itself so nicely, there isn't really room for a sequel to me. That, and the guy who created, wrote, and directed the 1st game isn't involved in any way. I'll wait for the reviews but it seems cheap to me that they're trying to turn a successful game into a franchise.

[camoor]

Just finished the original Bioshock and I have to say it's sequel looks like crap. The 1st game concludes itself so nicely, there isn't really room for a sequel to me. That, and the guy who created, wrote, and directed the 1st game isn't involved in any way. I'll wait for the reviews but it seems cheap to me that they're trying to turn a successful game into a franchise.

I think it's a neat idea that could work. It tips the balance from hunted to hunter. They really need to blow up Rapture in this one though.

That way in the third one, some crazy rich guy or gal with a new philosophy could setup a paradise-gone-wrong somewhere else - such as the sky (I'm thinking mountains), the snow (Antartica) or the sand (some random desert)

[Saint Noir]

IGN has a review up. 9.1. I have yet to read it, but that is a really good score.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/106/1066917p1.html

I've got this preordered... don't forget there is a $10 Amazon credit with the preorder of this game.

[ChibiJosh]

Bumping because my Amazon order shipped.

[Saint Noir]

I haven't gotten confirmation... just checked and it says shipping soon. Still scheduled for tomorrow though.

Reviews have been high. I hope the multiplayer component is pretty fun.

[sinkingships]

I haven't gotten confirmation either. I'm playing it as soon as I get home tomorrow though!

[shadowkast]

Never been one for midnight releases but have tomorrow off so I'll be picking it up here in a few minutes. Doubt I'll ever touch multiplayer though

[Saint Noir]

Never been one for midnight releases but have tomorrow off so I'll be picking it up here in a few minutes. Doubt I'll ever touch multiplayer though

Since there is team play we should CAG up... maybe we can help each other get the trophies if nothing else.

[BennyWii]

After seeing all of these reviews I have to say that I will wait to buy this game. I played and beat Bioshock but to be honest I am not really interested in going back. I'll probably pick it up at $30.

[blissskr]

Well having put a few hours into the game, the single player is decent. However, the multiplayer aspect is crap, and I'm saying this as a huge Bioshock fan. I'm really shocked that they would release multiplayer so shitty and Im guessing it was the reason for the initial delay to begin with. Glad I purchased the game for the single player onl. Although I had high hopes for the multiplayer, to me at least it's a serious letdown.

[jupiterjones]

Very tempted to pick this up sooner than later (having played the first game 3 times), but might have to wait til birthday/price drop/tax monies.....

All the reviews make it seem like a great, if derivative game. MP can suck it. I couldn't care less.

[smiggity]

Anything Allen Goode touches turns to shit. Glad to see confirmation of that in here. Hopefully he wont get put on any big projects anymore

[johnnyrocker360]

Can't wait, mine is in the mail and will be here tomorrow! I need to beat the first though before I play this one.

[Scorch]

comparing the 360 and PS3 versions side by side (on my own tv).. the PS3 versions colors are muted and look terrible compared to the 360.. which sucks because I really wanted to play through this on the PS3.

[Saint Noir]

Just got my copy. Looking forward to returning to Rapture... hopefully can get in some time tonight!

EDIT - Can't speak directly to the comparisons, but based on some shots I just checked out, the 360 version definitely looks more vibrant color wise. However, the PS3 version appears much more sharp to my eyes. So, take what you will. It also depends on the shot... looks good on both to me.

I was checking here... http://www.pcgames.de/aid,704607/Bioshock-2-Grafikvergleich-PC-gegen-Xbox-360-und-Playstation-3-Wer-gewinnt/PC/Bildergalerie/

[jmbreci]

Got...required HD install.....didn't do SP, only a quick MP - which is a bit different. Was "owned" by people with machine guns....you don't start off with one. That's all of my spoiler/initial impression.

[georox]

Well... if anyone doesn't want their PS Home code from Amazon.. *cough cough*

[Saint Noir]

Well... if anyone doesn't want their PS Home code from Amazon.. *cough cough*

If Amazon hooks me up with my preorder goodies I may be able to help you out.

[wildcpac]

Amazon still hasn't emailed my 10 GC and home code.

[Saint Noir]

Me either. Sometimes it takes a few days. I'll give them that much then it will be email time.

[georox]

It tends to take 7-10 days from what I know before they email stuff out.

[darknight88]

Yea I hate to ask too but if anyone wont use theirs please PM me. I promise to give something in return.

As for the game, Ill get it when it drops to $40. It'll do so like the rest of the games I bet. Hope it does well though, just because we have seen what Rapture looks like, doesnt mean the sequel aint that good or something.

[alivetilldawn]

Has anyone experienced a hissing noise when there is audio? I noticed it during the install, but hoped it would go away, but it has not stopped. None of my other games do it, watching a movie on my ps3 right now and I hear no hiss. My setup is with hdmi to the tv and audio from the tv to 5.1 surround sound. I really want to play the game, so I am at a loss.

[Saint Noir]

I have been playing for a large amount of the day and experienced no such noise. I just have it running through TV speakers through HDMI. Don't know what it could be for you. That is no good though, that is for sure.

[Sinistar]

I'm getting this from Gamefly soon.. (got shipping notice today).. Any of you guys up for multiplayer right away or going to play single player first?

[clarke32]

I have it coming in the mail from Walmart.com. In the meantime I just started a 2nd run through of the first Bioshock to refresh on the story since I haven't played it since launch on the Xbox 360 (I am now playing the PS3 version).

Not many people on here are talking about it, hopefully that's not a bad thing

[Saint Noir]

I am about half way through the single player campaign, I think. It is an awesome sequel and really lives up to the original, IMO. I haven't played multiplayer, but should complete single player today (at least my first play through). So, if anyone wants to get on, I am game.

[blissskr]

Not going to spoil anything for anyone game wise, but for anyone on the fence I'd say this is worth waiting for a price drop or renting it unless your a die hard BS fan. Having just finished the game, nostalgia got me going at first and I was loving every minute, then things began to slog and I felt pushed along by an overly scripted linear story. Although my interest began to peak up again and I started to finally get that BS vibe from the sequel it never really bloomed into anything and the game ends. It was nice to be back in Rapture and I had fun exploring it again. However that's about all I had fun doing the characters and story left me dissatisfied. Don't get me wrong some great concepts/characters but quantity over quality never really ends well.

[bjstucker]

Was thinking of starting a Bioshock 2 MP night is anyone interested?

[RedGamer]

I'd probably be interested.

[Saint Noir]

I'm down... bout to beat this for the first time in about 20-30 minutes I'd guess. Still really enjoy it and think it is a great game.

Can't speak to multiplayer.

[ChibiJosh]

I would probably show up a little for a MP night depending on how much fun it is. I still haven't start the game up other than to let it install.

[bjstucker]

I was thinking either Friday or Saturday. Only these days because I usually work most weekdays and I would assume I would be able to get more people. If this is not the case and another weekday sounds better please tell me.

[kurrptsenate]

it only took me about 8-10 hours to beat this game.

using freeze + spear gun to the dome one shots the majority of enemies. it 2-shots alpha daddies, and you can re-pick up the spears

[Saint Noir]

I didn't use freeze one time... I will use that on my next play through. :lol:

I probably took 12 hours... I can't say for sure. I took my time though and achieved almost everything. I am pretty sure I could do it in half that next time. And if anyone likes trophies, you can get all the single player trophies in one play if you want. The only one I didn't get was beat it on hard... as I wanted a laid back first play.

[Sinistar]

I still haven't start the game up other than to let it install.


How big is the install? I think I have enough room, but I might have to delete some demos. Hopefully I will get my copy from gamely tomorrow.

[Magus8472]

How big is the install? I think I have enough room, but I might have to delete some demos. Hopefully I will get my copy from gamely tomorrow.

4.5 gigs or so.

[bjstucker]

Started my survivor playthrough last night on the first game should finish that up by saturday afternoon. Then I can finally start playing Single Player on this one. Thinking I will go the same ways as Saint and just beat it once on normal/ easy then go back and run through it on hard.

[sinkingships]

the install took way too long.

[Megiddo_CAG]

Hows the multi on this? Any fun playing with friends or what?

[bjstucker]

I enjoy mp but if you play with friends you can't get the trophies.

[Saint Noir]

I enjoy mp but if you play with friends you can't get the trophies.

I don't think this is true. It just has to be a ranked matched. And I found this over at 2K...

"Can you play ranked matches with your friends?
Yes, once you are in the lobby, you can invite your friends to form a party to play online. The matchmaking system will keep you and your friends together on the same team as long as you all want to play together and will attempt to find you players of similar skill for your party to play against. "

So, could roll with team CAG in ranked matches, no problem.

[Megiddo_CAG]

I don't think this is true. It just has to be a ranked matched. And I found this over at 2K...

"Can you play ranked matches with your friends?
Yes, once you are in the lobby, you can invite your friends to form a party to play online. The matchmaking system will keep you and your friends together on the same team as long as you all want to play together and will attempt to find you players of similar skill for your party to play against. "

So, could roll with team CAG in ranked matches, no problem.

Nice there should be a CAG night for Bioshock 2 than.

Unfortunately, my copy won't be here a while, I am in a "long line" wait on goozex. Figures...

[bjstucker]

okay so it is on a private system. Okay then I guess you can thanks Saint. I will set up a Cag night for this tonight probably for Saturday night.

[darknight88]

Hey guys sorry to ask again, here. But apparently the Amazon Home preorder bonus(big daddy outfit) is being sent to its users. If anyone wont be using theirs, please PM me. I'd love to trade for it. Got some LBP DLC, MAG SVER Armor DLC or some paypal. Thank you.

[Saint Noir]

Still nothing on this end. I'll post if something happens.

[georox]

Hrm. I'm hoping this game hits the $30 range fast... console or PC. >_> Can't afford a $60 title right now.

People are saying to contact Amazon to get the Bioshock Home code if you preordered:

just go to Amazon.com > Click Help > Click Contact Us > Click E-mail > Put Your problem and Order #> Type a Message > Click send.
You're Done!
Just wait to 2 - 5 Mins and you will receive the code via e-mail!

[Saint Noir]

Looks like they gave me the code last night.

[georox]

Well.. if you aren't going to use it.. *cough*

[ChibiJosh]

They sent me my code too. Plus 3 e-mails telling me about my $10 credit.

I stayed up until 8am playing this last night. So much fun...

[darknight88]

Oh man,Chibi you gonna use yours? COuld we work something out please?

[Saint Noir]

I'm going to sell mine, official CAG market place deal. I'm asking quite a bit. One hundred pennies. Take it or leave it.

EDIT - And sold.

[georox]

I'm going to sell mine, official CAG market place deal. I'm asking quite a bit. One hundred pennies. Take it or leave it.

I'll take it. =P

[sinkingships]

i'm probably going to sell mine too in the marketplace.

[Blackout]

I played the single player for little over an hour. It's a lot of fun. It's almost exactly like Bioshock 1, which was one of my favorite games. I like controlling the Big Daddy, but he's weak as hell. I don't know how the story is going to pan out, but so far I like it.

I played one round of multiplayer and came in 2nd place. I enjoyed it. I don't see the longevity of it, but I can see myself playing it for a couple of weeks. It definitely didn't suck.

[ChibiJosh]

Finished it last night, I enjoyed it a lot. I thought it lived up to the first one.

I enjoyed the reverse plot twist. I know most people were thinking that Sinclair was going to screw you in the end, but when you got captured, he actually attempted to rescue you.

[Saint Noir]

I agree with you. I thought the story had a more even feel throughout the whole thing... it didn't have a (Bioshock 1 spoiler) mind blowing WYK moment - but it was still solid.

[Sinistar]

Hrm. I'm hoping this game hits the $30 range fast... console or PC. >_> Can't afford a $60 title right now.

You can still get it for $37.50 if you get the Steam 4 pack deal with some buddies, but that's probably the closest you're gonna get for now..

[Saint Noir]

Anyone down with setting up a night? If not, I will probably jump on by myself in the next few days. If anyone wants to play, set it up. Was hoping to play with some CAGs!

[Sinistar]

I still have this for rent, haven't played multi at all, been playing single player, I'll be up for multi soon.

[Darknyss]

Anyone down with setting up a night? If not, I will probably jump on by myself in the next few days. If anyone wants to play, set it up. Was hoping to play with some CAGs!
YES! I played some MP for the first time last night. It's a lot of fun.

How about Friday night? We could start around 9pm or so EST.

[Saint Noir]

I think that will work... anyone else?

I may go to a movie before that... not 100%.

[bjstucker]

9pm EST sounds good for Friday

[8bitArtist]

do you still get to keep your adam in private matches or is basically useless if you want to rank up like in uncharted 2.

[Saint Noir]

do you still get to keep your adam in private matches or is basically useless if you want to rank up like in uncharted 2.

You have to play a ranked match to rank up/get adam. But you can invite friends to join you in a public match.

[Darknyss]

Yep, we'll have to play ranked matches but the rooms seem to fill up slowly so we should be able to get everyone in.

[ChibiJosh]

I'll probably hop in for a bit, but I kinda suck at shooters.

[Magus8472]

9pm EST sounds good for Friday

I'd like to get in on this as well.

MP in this game is fun, if a bit chaotic.

[Saint Noir]

I played some just a minute ago to get my feet wet before CAG night. Played two rounds of capture the sister. Fun stuff. Died a bit. And your options are pretty limited at the start. Looking forward to leveling up and getting some more options. A smidge off level 3 now. At least I got my machine gun!

Hacking and researching are both really cool... between those and killing/assists, leveling shouldn't be too hard. Or at least not as hard if it was mostly kill based.

[Darknyss]

Cool, it looks like there are a decent amount of people interested in a CAG Night tomorrow at 9pm. Most of you guys are already on my friend's list so that will make things easier. I'll send everyone else a FR.

I've played FFA mostly so far but we can try the objective modes too. I don't think you can change game type while in a room so we all may need to leave and re-invite a few times - just a head's up. I really wish every MP game had a party system, heh.

[Sinistar]

I should be online tomorrow night.. Add me to your list if you need an extra player. Make sure you put CAG/bioshock 2 in the request so I know where it's from lol.

[Saint Noir]

Cool, it looks like there are a decent amount of people interested in a CAG Night tomorrow at 9pm. Most of you guys are already on my friend's list so that will make things easier. I'll send everyone else a FR.

I've played FFA mostly so far but we can try the objective modes too. I don't think you can change game type while in a room so we all may need to leave and re-invite a few times - just a head's up. I really wish every MP game had a party system, heh.

Cool. Glad you are handling the requesting.

I like the team based games like capture the sister largely due to the adam boost you get in those modes. :lol:

Also, if anyone needs the win a match trophy, you get it if your team wins, regardless if you sucked.

[Darknyss]

*bump* for tonight's game. I'm hoping on a little bit early.

[bjstucker]

Sorry I could not make it wife was on the net.

[Saint Noir]

I played about two hours and had a lot of fun. On the adam grab mode you can rack up the adam by holding the sister.

Did pretty solid most of the time. Got dominated one round. Sucks we got separated Darknyss. That last invite gave me an error.

[Darknyss]

I played about two hours and had a lot of fun. On the adam grab mode you can rack up the adam by holding the sister.

Did pretty solid most of the time. Got dominated one round. Sucks we got separated Darknyss. That last invite gave me an error.
Doh, should have told me... I would have sent another invite:D I thought you wanted to do your own thing.

CAG night seemed to work okay for this game. We actually stayed grouped some of the time while switching game types.

Are Capture the LS always that long and drawn out? I thought it was never going to end!

[Saint Noir]

I don't know if there are options or not to set length. Everyone I have played has the four 3 minute rounds, I think. Adam grab gives you the same bonus of at least 150 extra adam (200 for winning team) and is a lot shorter.

But with that you don't have the satisfaction of bringing down the house in the Big Daddy suit!

[Sinistar]

Good times tonight on the couple of rounds that I played. lol

[8bitArtist]

i would have stayed longer but it just seemed to be me, saint and dark sitting in a lobby and it said wating for host for like 5 min. so i left to play just regular matches. i thought it was funny everyone was like 1-9 and i stroll in level 31. still didnt do the greatest though.

[Saint Noir]

Yeah. You had a massive level! I ended the night at 11 I think. Started doing some team deathmatch for the first time... was doing really well. Wanted to get the big daddy suit, but never did.

Does it spawn in the same spot every time or is it random?

[Magus8472]

Yeah. You had a massive level! I ended the night at 11 I think. Started doing some team deathmatch for the first time... was doing really well. Wanted to get the big daddy suit, but never did.

Does it spawn in the same spot every time or is it random?

It's random among a set few places it can spawn.

[Darknyss]

i would have stayed longer but it just seemed to be me, saint and dark sitting in a lobby and it said wating for host for like 5 min. so i left to play just regular matches. i thought it was funny everyone was like 1-9 and i stroll in level 31. still didnt do the greatest though.
NP, I don't think you can hear mic'd players when you don't have one hooked up. We were waiting for Sinistar. He hadn't played multi yet and had to go through the initial set up.

Good games. We can try another night this week if you want. Mon, Thurs or Fri work for me.

[8bitArtist]

ya, my level is high cuz i havent played single player yet, just multi. while i think the MP is decent, i wont be playing it once i reach 40. plus in a few weeks, BFBC2 comes out, so im trying to plat bioshock 2 before that comes out.

[Saint Noir]

Good games. We can try another night this week if you want. Mon, Thurs or Fri work for me.

Monday would probably be best for me. I can do Tues after 10 PM (Lost). Friday's are hit and miss.

[Darknyss]

Yeah, I think Monday would be best as well. I just remembered Heavy Rain is out on Tuesday.

[Saint Noir]

Sinclair Solutions Test Pack DLC coming soon...

$4.99 on PSN, the pack will include:

Rank Increase to level 50 with Rank Rewards
New playable characters Louie McGraff and Oscar Calraca
20 new trials (some only available after a player achieves a rank of 41 or higher)
A third weapon upgrade for each weapon
Five additional masks (some only available after a player achieves a rank of 41 or higher)

[ChibiJosh]

I'd be more excited if there were DLC that somehow added to the single player. I won't bother with multiplayer DLC.

[Saint Noir]

They will be releasing that as well... no word if it is just challenge rooms or what it will entail.

[blissskr]

Sinclair Solutions Test Pack DLC coming soon...

$4.99 on PSN, the pack will include:

Rank Increase to level 50 with Rank Rewards
New playable characters Louie McGraff and Oscar Calraca
20 new trials (some only available after a player achieves a rank of 41 or higher)
A third weapon upgrade for each weapon
Five additional masks (some only available after a player achieves a rank of 41 or higher)

Yeah so 2k is becoming EA it appears, those two extra players were cut from the game and probably already exist on the disc. Seems they have no problem shamelessly milking BS for all its worth now; funny from a company that said not too long ago that 'developing future dlc while the game is being developed is ripping off consumers' lol.

[sinkingships]

i'd like some single player dlc.

[blissskr]

Anyone with a special edition version, take a black light and hold it up to the three posters included with the set for hidden messages on each which is kind of cool.

[Blackout]

Any of you guys level 40 yet?

[8bitArtist]

i am

[Saint Noir]

8bit, did you play a particular mode to get that high? I noticed you average a good bit of Adam ever match. Curious if you had any secret. I know you put in the required time to get that high though. I am at about 24 or 25 I think.

Of course, I always collect the vials around the stage, research/hack, always go after the big daddy (killed on last night with a shotgun and wrench pretty much single handedly, felt awesome).

[guinaevere]

I have four of the pre-order multiplayer bonus codes. First come, first served. Post in here if you want one, and I'll PM you later today, tomorrow or Monday.

[ChibiJosh]

I'll take one.

[Saint Noir]

I want one!

[Saint Noir]

Sent. Enjoy. Two left.

Thanks! I owe you one.

[blissskr]

Sent. Enjoy. Two left.
I'd like one if still available, thanks.

[ChibiJosh]

Sent. Enjoy. Two left.
Thanks <3

[blissskr]

Thanks Guinaevere! (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/member.php?u=16549)

[guinaevere]

You're all welcome.

One left. ...actually, two. One was stuck to another. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v76/guinaevere/smilies/loopy_toungue.gif

[Saint Noir]

If anyone wants to jump on today, it is a good day to do it... I am dominating today for some reason. Lots of big daddy plays, big daddy kills, kill streaks, won matches... good stuff.

Today I have been getting about 1000 Adam every match. I am sure I just jinxed myself, but still.

[Darknyss]

Ill take a code if you have an extra. Thanks!

[darknight88]

Hey can I have a preorder code please? Also is it the GS preorder characters and for what console/PC?? Thanx in advance.

[Saint Noir]

It is the GameStop preorder characters... and... as it is in the PS3 thread... it is for PS3. ;)

[Blackout]

When are you guys going to be on? I wanna play.

[Magus8472]

Any of you guys level 40 yet?

Yeah, but everything I got after 30 or so was pretty useless. The grenade launcher mods actually make it worse, hilariously enough.

[Saint Noir]

I figured that out as well... I have been using a grenade launcher with NO mods as my back up weapon. I will probably jump on in an hour or so. I was having network issues that made me stop earlier.

[Blackout]

I'll be on around 5 Central time.

[mykevermin]

SP was a huge letdown; totally anticlimactic. I'm going to tuck into some MP from now on.

[xxDOYLExx]

SP was a huge letdown; totally anticlimactic. I'm going to tuck into some MP from now on.

combine the game play of BS2 with the story of BS1, we would have had an awesome game.

[blissskr]

combine the game play of BS2 with the story of BS1, we would have had an awesome game.
Lol I was actually thinking about that last night and how they should do a revamp of the original.

[Sinistar]

I might be up for playing some tonight.. Been trudging through the single player campaing still though lol

[mykevermin]

combine the game play of BS2 with the story of BS1, we would have had an awesome game.

It wasn't entirely the content of the story, really. In part it was - the game felt like a phony attempt at "video game bipartisanship" in the sense that the entire story of Rapture was one of a quasi-Randian Objectivist dystopia - and in this game the cram in a story about the failures of a quasi-Communist in Elanor Lamb. That just seemed to tacked on to me.

But it could have worked well, again, it isn't just the content. Aesthetically the game felt like "Bioshock: Map Level Pack," and that contributed to the convoluted stories linking 1 and 2. Is this truly a failed Communist approach? Hard to tell, since Rapture looks like the same ruined city it was before.

The worst of the game's unforgivable SP sins, thought, came in the form of the final level. Should I spoiler this? Oh, I guess so:

I was stunned when the game ended. I can't remember the last time I finished a game and thought to myself "no way dude, there's gotta be 2-3 more levels! the story's not over! I didn't even fight a boss; WTF?" The problem is that good storytelling involves letting the reader/player know that the end of the arc is coming. I didn't get that feeling at all. I genuinely expected 2 or 3 more levels, a boss fight, some confrontation with Lamb, something. The way the game ended, it felt like more it just stopped than ended, if you can appreciate the distinction.

But the gameplay is indeed good (drill dash FTW!), so maybe I'll get more enjoyment in MP.

[Blackout]

It wasn't entirely the content of the story, really. In part it was - the game felt like a phony attempt at "video game bipartisanship" in the sense that the entire story of Rapture was one of a quasi-Randian Objectivist dystopia - and in this game the cram in a story about the failures of a quasi-Communist in Elanor Lamb. That just seemed to tacked on to me.

But it could have worked well, again, it isn't just the content. Aesthetically the game felt like "Bioshock: Map Level Pack," and that contributed to the convoluted stories linking 1 and 2. Is this truly a failed Communist approach? Hard to tell, since Rapture looks like the same ruined city it was before.

The worst of the game's unforgivable SP sins, thought, came in the form of the final level. Should I spoiler this? Oh, I guess so:

I was stunned when the game ended. I can't remember the last time I finished a game and thought to myself "no way dude, there's gotta be 2-3 more levels! the story's not over! I didn't even fight a boss; WTF?" The problem is that good storytelling involves letting the reader/player know that the end of the arc is coming. I didn't get that feeling at all. I genuinely expected 2 or 3 more levels, a boss fight, some confrontation with Lamb, something. The way the game ended, it felt like more it just stopped than ended, if you can appreciate the distinction.

But the gameplay is indeed good (drill dash FTW!), so maybe I'll get more enjoyment in MP.

Bioshock 1 had the boss problem too. It was a total push over. I would have liked to face a boss, but I'm not sure what they could have done. Have Lamb go apeshit on Adam? They already did that in BS1. I enjoyed the ending better than the first game's. At least it was an actually ending, unlike a bunch of Little Sisters laying around your bed.. I wouldn't call it unforgivable though. I liked how Delta was on his last leg, and desperately trying to escape with his "daughter". I did get the feeling that I was nearing the end. Lamb became more desperate, and Eleanor was getting weaker. The story was good, but not as great as Bioshock 1. I don't feel the Lamb angle was tacked on. I think it was a good opposite to Ryan, but ultimately the same ending. Power corrupts, etc.

I'll agree with you on the linking the two stories. If Lamb was so important (and an "equal" to Ryan), why was there zero mention of her in the first game? Not even a hint? It's sort of like Metal Gear Solid in that sense. I'm still confused as to the timeline and what the hell exactly happened.

Still, I did love the SP and exploring the laboratories and such where the experiments took place, as well as learning more about the Big Daddies. I thought the choice of either saving or killing the 3 side characters was a nice touch too, as well Sinclair not turning out to be a dickwad Atlas style. I can't remember if Bioshock 1 had something similar.

[ninjalunchbox79]

The SP in this game IMO is just awesome , yea it just ended so what!!! You knew the end was about to happen , you don't necessarily need a boss fight at the end of every game. The reason why Sofia Lamb & her daughter wasn't mentioned in the 1st game was due to the fact that BS1 took place in the newest part of Rapture. BS2 takes place in the 'ghetto' part of Rapture , yea its more run down cuz it was built 1st . . so with that being said theres prob other parts of Rapture not yet explored??? Also think what if Ryan wasn't the only one to build a 'Rapture' hell there might be other underwater cities like it , people who tried to 1up Ryan. All in all this is turning out to be an awesome franchise . . . I just hope they keep it up:applause:

[ChibiJosh]

I think Sophia Lamb was Ryan's prisoner during the events of Bioshock which is why we didn't hear about her.

[Saint Noir]

I think Sophia Lamb was Ryan's prisoner during the events of Bioshock which is why we didn't hear about her.

This is correct... she was in jail before Bioshock 1. And as a challenger to Ryan's throne and his ideology, I am sure anything to do with her was swept under the rug. It wasn't until after Bioshock 1 or perhaps during "the fall" that she escaped and started to control what was left of Rapture.

In other news, went from level 24 to level 30 today in a very successful MP day. Sorry, Sinistar. I missed your request until I was pretty much done, we have to set it up soon though! :D

[mykevermin]

The SP in this game IMO is just awesome , yea it just ended so what!!! You knew the end was about to happen.

Woah. Stop right there. If you bothered to read the words I typed out above, you'll see that my very point was that I did not see the end forthcoming. The level ended and the credits rolled. If Spike Lee produced the game I'd expect that kind of ending. But I don't think he was involved with this project.

There are good moments (this is in terms of other posters' reactions, not your other stream-of-consciousness tripe) in the story indeed. I did appreciate the opportunity to decide the fate of so many characters - and using folks who just showed up for a moment in the first title via Accu-vox recordings helped accentuate the link between the two games (I guess, as if it really needed it - alternately, you might get the feeling that the population of Rapture was like 47). Additionally, you get to decide between "virtuous" or "vengeful" options, so to speak. Killing them wasn't always the "evil" way to do things, and the same can be said of letting them live. That was some very good complexity.

So, yes, absolutely, the smaller chapter narratives in the game were very good - truth be told, those shorter story arcs were far better than the overall arc w/ Sophia Lamb. I stand by my comments that the metastory was unpolished, but will concede that the per-chapter stories very good.

The game still stopped and didn't really end. Yeah, whatever, there was a denouement, but no climax whatsoever.

[Saint Noir]

The game still stopped and didn't really end. Yeah, whatever, there was a denouement, but no climax whatsoever.

I personally found the final battle all over the level to be pretty fulfilling and climatic. Much more fulfilling compared to the end of Bioshock 1. But that is just me. I hated the boss battle in 1.

[ChibiJosh]

Woah. Stop right there. If you bothered to read the words I typed out above, you'll see that my very point was that I did not see the end forthcoming.
Given that you were attempting to lauch an escape pod, I think the end's coming was somewhat flamboyant. I mean, there could've possibly been a boss fight on the escape pod, but I can't see how you could have thought there would be multiple levels left. But, that's me.

[mykevermin]

I think that's a valid point indeed, hindsight being 20/20.

given all the traps set up to that point, it could have (a) led elsewhere in Rapture, (b) been a setup by Lamb, or (c) some other horribly contrived suggestion.

But that's enough of me and my soapbox. I'm standing by my story, and if y'all really liked the SP, more power to you. You feel like your money was better spent than I do, that's for certain.

[Blackout]

The reason why Sofia Lamb & her daughter wasn't mentioned in the 1st game was due to the fact that BS1 took place in the newest part of Rapture. BS2 takes place in the 'ghetto' part of Rapture , yea its more run down cuz it was built 1st

Thanks for the clarification. This makes things make more sense.

This is correct... she was in jail before Bioshock 1. And as a challenger to Ryan's thrown and his ideology, I am sure anything to do with her was swept under the rug. It wasn't until after Bioshock 1 or perhaps during "the fall" that she escaped and started to control what was left of Rapture.



You're right. In various tapes Ryan talks about Lamb being "taken care of". She must have broken out either during the civil war or after he was killed.

Where does the civil war fit into place? Does it go like this? Rapture built, some good years>Adam introduced>Fontaine gains power> Civil War> ?> Ryan's son kills him> Fontaine dead> Lamb rises and takes control. My timeline of events is somewhat shady.

myke, since you mentioned the strength of the small sub narratives, I remembered another cool part of BS2. I'm not sure how many recordings you collected, but their was this one father going to Rapture to save his daughter (think her name was Cindy). You find various recordings of him documenting his findings. On the stage before the last, you actually fight a Big Daddy. Once you kill it, you get a recording and find out that Big Daddy you just killed was the father. He found his daughter, but it was already too late. Lamb offered him to be part of the Big Daddy program, and he accepts because he is finally reunited with his daughter and able to love and protect her "forever". Gil mentions in one recording how they are running out of Little Sisters due to death, kidnappings, sickness, failed experiments, etc and possibly needing to go to the surface for more girls. Hence the reason why he came from the surface to save his daughter.

I honestly can't think of too many games that explored the dynamics of a father-daughter relationship. None come immediately to mind. I enjoyed that so much more than Lamb's failed community utopia story and IMO is the truth strength of the story.

[blissskr]

Thanks for the clarification. This makes things make more sense.



You're right. In various tapes Ryan talks about Lamb being "taken care of". She must have broken out either during the civil war or after he was killed.

Where does the civil war fit into place? Does it go like this? Rapture built, some good years>Adam introduced>Fontaine gains power> Civil War> ?> Ryan's son kills him> Fontaine dead> Lamb rises and takes control. My timeline of events is somewhat shady.

myke, since you mentioned the strength of the small sub narratives, I remembered another cool part of BS2. I'm not sure how many recordings you collected, but their was this one father going to Rapture to save his daughter (think her name was Cindy). You find various recordings of him documenting his findings. On the stage before the last, you actually fight a Big Daddy. Once you kill it, you get a recording and find out that Big Daddy you just killed was the father. He found his daughter, but it was already too late. Lamb offered him to be part of the Big Daddy program, and he accepts because he is finally reunited with his daughter and able to love and protect her "forever". Gil mentions in one recording how they are running out of Little Sisters due to death, kidnappings, sickness, failed experiments, etc and possibly needing to go to the surface for more girls. Hence the reason why he came from the surface to save his daughter.

I honestly can't think of too many games that explored the dynamics of a father-daughter relationship. None come immediately to mind. I enjoyed that so much more than Lamb's failed community utopia story and IMO is the truth strength of the story.


Mark was actually added late in the game development as fan service to followers of Somethinginthesea.com and Jordan Thomas himself said the sister with the big daddy Mark is his daughter Cindy.

[mykevermin]

Meltzer was his name. That was pretty well done, I think. Tied into the goofy ARG as well, if memory serves.

[Blackout]

Mark was actually added late in the game development as fan service to followers of Somethinginthesea.com and Jordan Thomas himself said the sister with the big daddy Mark is his daughter Cindy.

Heh. I didn't even know about that. Regardless, I thought it was really good. Yeah, I assumed the girl was his based off the recording.

[xxDOYLExx]

It wasn't entirely the content of the story, really. In part it was - the game felt like a phony attempt at "video game bipartisanship" in the sense that the entire story of Rapture was one of a quasi-Randian Objectivist dystopia - and in this game the cram in a story about the failures of a quasi-Communist in Elanor Lamb. That just seemed to tacked on to me.

But it could have worked well, again, it isn't just the content. Aesthetically the game felt like "Bioshock: Map Level Pack," and that contributed to the convoluted stories linking 1 and 2. Is this truly a failed Communist approach? Hard to tell, since Rapture looks like the same ruined city it was before.

The worst of the game's unforgivable SP sins, thought, came in the form of the final level. Should I spoiler this? Oh, I guess so:

I was stunned when the game ended. I can't remember the last time I finished a game and thought to myself "no way dude, there's gotta be 2-3 more levels! the story's not over! I didn't even fight a boss; WTF?" The problem is that good storytelling involves letting the reader/player know that the end of the arc is coming. I didn't get that feeling at all. I genuinely expected 2 or 3 more levels, a boss fight, some confrontation with Lamb, something. The way the game ended, it felt like more it just stopped than ended, if you can appreciate the distinction.

But the gameplay is indeed good (drill dash FTW!), so maybe I'll get more enjoyment in MP.
I can definitely see where you are coming from regarding the story and the anticlimactic ending. I would have loved to put a spinning drill through Sophia Lambs forehead! All in all the lead writer did a pretty damn good job IMO considering the act he had to follow. Disregarding BS1, BS2's story is not bad by video game standards.

SP is not bad either, it has pretty decent game play and a healthy does of whimsy.

[8bitArtist]

8bit, did you play a particular mode to get that high? I noticed you average a good bit of Adam ever match. Curious if you had any secret. I know you put in the required time to get that high though. I am at about 24 or 25 I think.

Of course, I always collect the vials around the stage, research/hack, always go after the big daddy (killed on last night with a shotgun and wrench pretty much single handedly, felt awesome).

dont worry about trials for the most part. just use whatever set up works best for you. killstreaks get you more points than most trials anyway. most trials are completely random (like shock 3 people at once). you might do it, but itll be completely random. i did hack a lot and started to know where the vials were and was a complete photo whore as well. haha. all that stuff is just as important as killing someone.

although per game i had like an average of 750, a more accurate rate is how much you were getting per hour. for example, i reached level 40 in a little under 20 hours, where my friend reach it in 22 hours. he had an average of 825 where mine was 750. he played more capture the sister where i stuck to more death match.

[Blackout]

Is it just me or is the lobby wait unbearably long?

[Salamando3000]

Thanks for the clarification. This makes things make more sense.


Where does the civil war fit into place? Does it go like this? Rapture built, some good years>Adam introduced>Fontaine gains power> Civil War> ?> Ryan's son kills him> Fontaine dead> Lamb rises and takes control. My timeline of events is somewhat shady.

From what I gather, here's how the Timeline works.

Prior to 1958 - Sofia Lamb comes to Rapture to help with depression. Is Jailed. Puts Eleanor under Grace's custody. Stanley Poole takes Eleanor, drops her off at an orphanage, where she becomes a Little Sister.

1958 - (As seen in the intro cinematic) Sofia Lamb is not in Jail for some reason. Lamb finds Delta with Eleanor, splicer Hypnotizes you, you shoot yourself.

New Year's Eve 1958 - Kashmir Restaurant is attacked by Splicers, Civil War officially begins.

1960 - Jack comes to Rapture, events in Bioshock 1 take place. Lamb is probably just hiding out, trying to rehabilitate Eleanor.

1968 - Delta is resurrected, Bioshock 2 takes place.

[xsouthparkx]

My game froze at the very end and won't start back up. Like right at the end. Something to do with pressing the select button, which causes the game to freeze. Dammit.
Anyways when is a patch coming out?

[Magus8472]

Is it just me or is the lobby wait unbearably long?

It's unbearably long, and compounded by the fact that it resets if the map gets vetoed.

[Saint Noir]

I rarely have a long lobby wait, it has happened though, and it makes me try to stay with my group that much more.

dont worry about trials for the most part. just use whatever set up works best for you. killstreaks get you more points than most trials anyway. most trials are completely random (like shock 3 people at once). you might do it, but itll be completely random. i did hack a lot and started to know where the vials were and was a complete photo whore as well. haha. all that stuff is just as important as killing someone.

although per game i had like an average of 750, a more accurate rate is how much you were getting per hour. for example, i reached level 40 in a little under 20 hours, where my friend reach it in 22 hours. he had an average of 825 where mine was 750. he played more capture the sister where i stuck to more death match.

Yeah, I figured this out after playing lots of capture the sister at first.... but every match is super long. I then switched to team death match which is a lot shorter of a match. I do go for trials, but in a somewhat passive way. I don't just go out and try to get them knocked out.

Yesterday, I completed my favorite trial... kill a splicer as a Big Daddy by landing on them. Was fighting in that one level with the 3 levels of walk ways, homes for the poor I think it is... and a guy went off the rail after I started shooting him. Just jumped right over onto him. Was great.

[guinaevere]

Sorry folks, all codes are now gone.

[Sinistar]

Finally beat this last night.
I'm going to have to play MP some more before it goes back to GameFly. :)

[Saint Noir]

Up to level 37... almost there. I would get it tomorrow, but I think I will play through GoW II to prepare for III.

Also still have a hard play through to do with this game as well...

[IRHari]

Noir how many hours did that take you? I just finished my full playthrough (all audio diaries, all weapon upgrades, all research, etc. ) so I have to start multiplayer and my hard playthrough. I figure I'll just harvest all the sisters in my hard playthrough to make it go faster.

[Saint Noir]

It took 8 Bit about 20-21 hours. I played a lot of low Adam matches early and also it took me awhile to get good (this is seriously my first online FPS I have played at length since Wolfenstein on original Xbox). That being said, I look like I will hit level 40 in about 22-23 hours (total time played online).

I decided to play today and am at 39. I am scared I will lose my rank (no merit to fear, just don't want it to happen), so I am busting this out first.


Here are tips...

HACK. RESEARCH. Know where the Adam vials are through levels... I usually get 100 Adam just from finding the vials about the level. I have more vials than hacks, and I hack a lot.

Kill Big Daddies. This nets you 100 Adam. Become Big Daddies... this will net you 50 Adam plus the benefit of kicking ass (it is frustrating at first, but once you know the suit spawn locations, you can get this fairly often). Get kill streaks... each one awards you 50 extra adam... you get a streak after 3 kills in a row (or about).

CHARGE your plasmids. If you use plasmids, charge them.

[Saint Noir]

Over shot it. Just got level 40 with a total play time of around 21.5 hours.

[Nirron]

I know there hasn't been much talk here in a bit, but I'm really contemplating picking this game up. I really enjoyed the original BioShock, though I've heard this one can be a bit worse at parts.

Right now I'm trying to decide between the regular and the special edition. My only concern is that the SE might drop in price soon enough. I can get the SE for $50, or the regular for $30-35. Basically I'm looking for opinions about whether the SE contents are worth $15-20 more (preferably from those that own the SE).

[iwarboY]

If you're a Bioshock 2 Online fan and you've purchased the DLC Rapture Metro , you know the new maps aren't accessible unless the majority of the room has the new Map Pack.

i've decided to make this group, well, because i'd really like to play these new maps in this great Online multiplayer ! :D

- PSN: iwarboY

Please Add your name to this post, Bioshock 2 Online remains active and great fun!

[iwarboY]

for all who don't care about Bio 2 multiplayer..

i reached lvl 40 yesterday and there's a supercool cutscene adding on to Bioshock 1
^ which, Bioshock 2's multiplayer essentially is --> Bioshock 1 muliplayer . very cool.

[camoor]

for all who don't care about Bio 2 multiplayer..

i reached lvl 40 yesterday and there's a supercool cutscene adding on to Bioshock 1
^ which, Bioshock 2's multiplayer essentially is --> Bioshock 1 muliplayer . very cool.

It was cute but I could have used a little more story.

That having been said I do enjoy the multiplayer.

By far the best DLC was the Minerva's Den. I wish Bioshock 2 had played more like Minerva's Den, it was by far a more cohesive and enjoyable experience.

[CENNY]

If I don't care AT ALL about multiplayer, and am only in it for the sad lonely single player experience... which DLC add-on stuff would you guys recommend? (I don't want to pay for something only to find out that it's for the multi, and maybe I'm just old but I can't tell what's what from the descriptions). Thanks.

[Chronis]

^^Minerva's Den is the only single player DLC, as far as I know... And apparently it's very very good.

[ChibiJosh]

^^Minerva's Den is the only single player DLC, as far as I know... And apparently it's very very good.
Minerva's Den is really good, and pretty long for only $10 (assuming you explore every nook and cranny like I do).
I think the Protector Trials DLC is single player too. From the name, I assume you're just protecting little sisters for it.

[CENNY]

Thanks for the input guys.

[camoor]

Thanks for the input guys.

Yeah I'll say it again - Minerva's Den was awesome.

Multiplayer is fun too - you should try it once, you may be surprised.

[Sinistar]

Yeah I'll say it again - Minerva's Den was awesome.

Multiplayer is fun too - you should try it once, you may be surprised.

Anyone know if the DLC is on PC? I ended up getting this on Steam when it was cheap during the last big Steam sale, , since I traded off the PS3 version a while back and never bought any of the DLC..

[ChibiJosh]

Anyone know if the DLC is on PC? I ended up getting this on Steam when it was cheap during the last big Steam sale, , since I traded off the PS3 version a while back and never bought any of the DLC..
http://kotaku.com/5659593/pc-misses-out-on-bioshock-2-downloadable-content

[Sinistar]

http://kotaku.com/5659593/pc-misses-out-on-bioshock-2-downloadable-content

Oh well. Thanks for the info.

[willardhaven]

Hey quick question for those of you who played the first game as well:

If you kill little sisters, do they still help you on the way out of Andrew Ryan's office and after Tenenbaum revives you?

[Saint Noir]

Hey quick question for those of you who played the first game as well:

If you kill little sisters, do they still help you on the way out of Andrew Ryan's office and after Tenenbaum revives you?

Yes.

[blissskr]

Protector Trials is a waste of cash I regret buying it, all you do is fight off hoards of splicers while a little sister harvests in different places with only certain weapons/plasmids. Minerva's Den is really good story wise and well worth the money though.