View Full Version : STREET FIGHTER IV - Complete Alternate Costume Pack - 1000 MS Points on XLM
NegativeZero
05-09-2009, 12:28 PM
Hey everyone,
I did a search and found no results so please excuse if this is a repost. Seems it's finally happened, Capcom has combined all the costume packs into one Download. "This pack contains alternate costumes for all 25 characters."
It's 100 MS Point and can be found here (http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/games/media/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d802434307e1/?gu=66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d802434307e1&sb=1&mt=4&p=1&of=0). but perhaps if no one buys it it could go on sale??? Maybe a deal of the week?
As much as I have been waiting for this (I felt it was coming since Japan got it) , I haven't played the game in a while so I think I'll be waiting for a lower price. No sense in spending money on something I wont be using much. And at a price of about $10, I still think it's too much. I'll really consider it when it's about 500 MS Points.
What do you think? Is the price low enough for you to bite yet?
Fire_Thief
05-09-2009, 12:44 PM
Man, its not worth it. If you can find SF IV for less than $30, then hit me up. Cause I still really want this game.
Sythix
05-09-2009, 12:57 PM
I saw this today and I was thinking of getting it...but its just costumes, I don't think it's really worth it unless you play online a lot and get bored of the same costumes. But getting each costume pack individually would amount to 1600 MS Points = $20. They're each 320 points, and there's 5 of them. So it's a good deal I guess, for now.
advanced
05-09-2009, 01:06 PM
Thanks OP, I might pick it up since I got SFIV for free from that GS B2G1 deal a few weekends back.
shouamabane
05-09-2009, 01:13 PM
It's on the Playstation Store too. It's $12.49. I recommend them.
Monsta Mack
05-09-2009, 01:18 PM
Pay for costumes? Maybe $5, and the only one I really liked was the Mai inspired Chun Li outfit. Yum.
NovaKane
05-09-2009, 03:08 PM
I had it in my mind that I was gonna buy the complete costume pack when I got the game months ago. Now, I hardly play it anymore lol. It would be a total waste for me.
*shrugs*
lolwut?
05-09-2009, 03:12 PM
Not worth it
BlueSwim
05-09-2009, 03:46 PM
The costumes are stored on the game disc. You're paying for unlock keys.
Dogmeat26
05-09-2009, 03:52 PM
If I played with more characters it would be worth it to me I guess. Oh well I see the costumes when other people where them and thats good enough for me.
tinman_licks
05-09-2009, 04:21 PM
these things are way overpriced, even at the bundle price. should be 5 bucks at most.
iNFiNiTE HORiZON
05-09-2009, 04:42 PM
Cant you just unlock them by playing the game? (beating levels and such)?
What ever happened to entering cheat codes and shit to unlock stuff?
NegativeZero
05-09-2009, 05:06 PM
Cant you just unlock them by playing the game? (beating levels and such)?
What ever happened to entering cheat codes and shit to unlock stuff?
DLC happened, I can't remember the last time I "entered a code using button combinations"
NegativeZero
05-09-2009, 05:08 PM
I had it in my mind that I was gonna buy the complete costume pack when I got the game months ago. Now, I hardly play it anymore lol. It would be a total waste for me.
*shrugs*
same here but I figured I'd let the community know
ninja dog
05-09-2009, 05:20 PM
Not even with my free points. Would bite at 500 though.
GuilewasNK
05-09-2009, 05:34 PM
Pay for costumes? Maybe $5, and the only one I really liked was the Mai inspired Chun Li outfit. Yum.
Agreed.
http://www.gamemanx.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/chun-li.jpg
I liked the Ryu-themed Sakura costume too. That was cool.
The ladies pack was the only one that interested me anyway.
DLC happened, I can't remember the last time I "entered a code using button combinations"
Dead Space has a whole bunch of helpful cheats and codes.
Guerrilla
05-09-2009, 06:29 PM
Full costumes, at the least, should have been in the Collector's Edition.
Oswald9599
05-09-2009, 09:23 PM
Full costumes, at the least, should have been in the Collector's Edition.
Why would they do that? Its not like you payed enough for you CE, + capcoms got bills to pay and kids to feed and hookers to bury.
Fount
05-09-2009, 09:28 PM
This isn't a deal.
Reck_Havoc
05-09-2009, 10:00 PM
$12.50..? Seriously?
bigdaddybruce44
05-09-2009, 10:12 PM
The costumes are stored on the game disc. You're paying for unlock keys.
So? If someone wants the costumes, they will buy them. Who cares if they are on the disc or actually downloaded to your hard drive? Is there really a difference?
This isn't a deal.
If it's cheaper than buying all of them individually, it's a deal, whether or not you like it.
mistermoravec
05-09-2009, 10:22 PM
Full costumes, at the least, should have been in the Collector's Edition.
There should be a bundle that includes all of the costumes except the brawler pack for less, since the brawler pack came with the CE.
That's why I'm not biting at this price...and the fact that it was material on the disk that should have been unlockable...I don't have a problem about buying stuff created after the game...not stuff already on the disk.
bigdaddybruce44
05-09-2009, 10:24 PM
A lot of DLC is created before the game is released. They just don't put it on the disc. So, what's the difference?
opportunity777
05-09-2009, 10:34 PM
A lot of DLC is created before the game is released. They just don't put it on the disc. So, what's the difference?
People find the practice unethical. The practice referring to the following scenario: content is created and already put on the disc, and unlock keys are downloaded to access this content. In the past, this content was unlocked by other means, such as, in-game challenges; i.e. 100% game completion.
From the point-of-sale to the use of the product, customers feel they own all of the content on the disc. When customers are barred from accessing this content without doling out additional funds, they interpret the action as an unethical business practice.
Since the concept of ethics is important in modern society, people perceive a difference between downloading full-fledged content not on the disc (thus not included at the point-of-sale) versus acquiring unlock codes to access "already purchased" content from the disc.
In addition, Capcom and MS have mispriced this content. Over time, companies are raising the prices of these 'microtransactions,' which makes the use of the word 'micro' a crock of shit. But, that is a whole other issue.
BlueSwim
05-09-2009, 10:39 PM
So? If someone wants the costumes, they will buy them. Who cares if they are on the disc or actually downloaded to your hard drive? Is there really a difference?
I'm informing those who hate/don't buy stored-on-disc withheld content what they're getting when they buy the DLC. No one wants to be taken advantage of and that's what this kind of DLC is doing to you when you buy it.
A lot of DLC is created before the game is released. They just don't put it on the disc. So, what's the difference?
It's complete BS, I paid for the disc and everything on it, I'm not paying again to unlock what I already paid for.
KingBroly
05-09-2009, 10:49 PM
The next time another one of these non-deal threads show up here I'm creating a Rock Band "bundled music" dlc pack now available on XBLM thread.
PhrostByte
05-09-2009, 11:22 PM
Don't get mad at other homer... this is considered a deal for some people.
Vcize
05-09-2009, 11:27 PM
People find the practice unethical. The practice referring to the following scenario: content is created and already put on the disc, and unlock keys are downloaded to access this content. In the past, this content was unlocked by other means, such as, in-game challenges; i.e. 100% game completion.
From the point-of-sale to the use of the product, customers feel they own all of the content on the disc. When customers are barred from accessing this content without doling out additional funds, they interpret the action as an unethical business practice.
Since the concept of ethics is important in modern society, people perceive a difference between downloading full-fledged content not on the disc (thus not included at the point-of-sale) versus acquiring unlock codes to access "already purchased" content from the disc.
In addition, Capcom and MS have mispriced this content. Over time, companies are raising the prices of these 'microtransactions,' which makes the use of the word 'micro' a crock of shit. But, that is a whole other issue.
No, the "issue" is that ignorant people like to pretend like they know what they're talking about, while not understanding the big business behind gaming and the simple fact that just because something IS on the disc doesn't mean that it WOULD have been on the disc if they didn't have the option to charge for it.
People are under the incorrect assumption that if DLC didn't exist these costumes would still have been created and would have been unlocked via some other (free) means. They are wrong. Without the option to charge for the costumes, they wouldn't have created the costumes in the first place. Capcom is a huge company with business analysts breaking down what does and does not make the cut into a game long before any actual coding begins on the game. When that work gets done (DLC before the game releases or after) is irrelevant because the decision is made ahead of time. If Capcom didn't have the option to charge for DLC, they would've had their artists move on to work on another game rather than spend the extra time creating alternate costumes, which would never have been made.
Capcom reps have confirmed as much about this as well as the Resident Evil multiplayer, and you could hear the frustration about people's ignorance in their voices as they said it. People need to quit living in this ultra simplistic world where just because something gets made before the game's release means that it would have been included if there wasn't an option to charge for it. there's a reason that there have been like 14 street fighter games released prior to this one with no option for DLC and not a single one of them had true alternate costumes that were unlockable. This was something they decided to add specifically BECAUSE they could charge for it, not something that they had already made and decided to charge for because they could.
If someone wants to argue that the costumes are priced too high, fine. I even agree with that, for what it's worth. But don't sit here and try and say that if DLC didn't exist that these costumes would have been free, because that's just not true. They just wouldn't exist in the first place.
I know my post won't be a popular one, and I'm sorry for bringing some realism into people's never-ending compulsion to complain about stuff they very clearly have no understanding of.
genfuyung
05-09-2009, 11:29 PM
Fucking ridiculous price...get real capcom...
bigdaddybruce44
05-09-2009, 11:48 PM
Vcize, wow, thank you for confirming my belief I wasn't the only who hadn't lost his mind concerning this DLC nonsense. Your points are all pretty much what I was going to say when I saw some of the responses. I'll just add...
People find the practice unethical.
No one wants to be taken advantage of and that's what this kind of DLC is doing to you when you buy it.
Sorry, but neither of you have a point. It would be unethical or being taken advantage of if the game box said you get the costumes, and then you find out later you have to pay extra for them. That isn't the case at all.
It's complete BS, I paid for the disc and everything on it, I'm not paying again to unlock what I already paid for.
You paid for, in this instance, Street Fighter IV. Was Street Fighter IV a quality, complete game? I never played it, but judging from the reviews, it was. That should be the end of the discussion.
Again, what exactly is the difference between this and what other companies do? Seriously? Do you think all DLC is magically pulled out of a hat after a game goes gold? Nonsense. Plenty of it is nearly done, and they wait awhile to release it. Hell, I've seen content released a week or two after a game comes out. It's the same, exact thing.
The next time another one of these non-deal threads show up here I'm creating a Rock Band "bundled music" dlc pack now available on XBLM thread.
If the bundled music wasn't already a well-established practice, someone probably would post it and should post it. This is a new package that will save people money. There is absolutely nothing at all wrong about posting a deal that is a bundle. There is a long thread about the new Elite bundle with Halo 3 and Fable 2. Is that a non-deal, too?
opportunity777
05-10-2009, 12:04 AM
Sorry, but neither of you have a point. It would be unethical or being taken advantage of if the game box said you get the costumes, and then you find out later you have to pay extra for them. That isn't the case at all.
Wow.
I didn't ever consider you to make a terrible post. I'll give you a mulligan because you didn't read very carefully. The point is, people perceive the practice as unethical. It doesn't matter what your opinion is on the matter. Vcize's post was much better, but regarding the average consumer, I think he did not include other more relevant factors .
No, the "issue" is that ignorant people like to pretend like they know what they're talking about...
Actually, you brought up a ton of other issues. Most of them do not matter.
The issue of consumer ignorance is not entirely imporant. Although, you tried to tie ignorance directly to misperception of "reality," which can be true.
In the business world, most customers do not give a flying flip about the intricate behind-the-scene dealings: the economics and politics of creating these products. Simply, all customers demand product quality, at a particular price and in a reasonable time frame. Currently, ethics has become an important part of this mix; e.g. a call for bans on animal testing with cosmetic products. Either, the product is provided in the "proper" format or not.
In the current situation, the Capcom PR department was going to have a hard time convincing people to buy this content.
And yes, generally, you are going to be unpopular.
Shady3011
05-10-2009, 12:05 AM
I don't need an ethics class in my deal forums.
bigdaddybruce44
05-10-2009, 12:08 AM
I always love when people post their opinion and then tell you your opinion doesn't matter...wow...
opportunity777
05-10-2009, 12:09 AM
I don't need an ethics class in my deal forums.
... Dealing in the banking industry makes people have to think about this type of stuff.
I always love when people post their opinion and then tell you your opinion doesn't matter...wow...
That's easy because you made the post about your opinion. I'm pointing out that people perceive certain business practices to be unethical. I didn't bring your opinions into the conversation. You did that all on your own.
Shady3011
05-10-2009, 12:15 AM
... Dealing in the banking industry makes people have to think about this type of stuff.
That's all fine and dandy, but my point is the simple matter of having these sort of threads in the game forums. It's bad enough having them go off topic, but when they get diluted by arguments over the ethics of DLC, that's where I tend to draw the line.
opportunity777
05-10-2009, 12:18 AM
That's all fine and dandy, but my point is the simple matter of having these sort of threads in the game forums. It's bad enough having them go off topic, but when they get diluted by arguments over the ethics of DLC, that's where I tend to draw the line.
Fair enough.
On topic, my opinion is this is not a great deal. Especially for, the people who bought the CE.
eastx
05-10-2009, 12:33 AM
I think BigDaddyBruce is completely correct. And yet Opportunity's also right about what people perceive as ethical or unethical. Whether or not publisher's actions fit the definition of ethical is less important than how the general population perceives those actions.
The costumes are indeed so expensive that most people will pass on them, but I bought 'em cause I like 'em and I can afford it.
bigdaddybruce44
05-10-2009, 12:46 AM
I think BigDaddyBruce is completely correct. And yet Opportunity's also right about what people perceive as ethical or unethical. Whether or not publisher's actions fit the definition of ethical is less important than how the general population perceives those actions.
True, true. That's exactly why I made my post. I see this stuff pop up all the time, and I simply don't get why people have this opinion.
jeremyh
05-10-2009, 12:59 AM
Here's what makes SFIV costume DLC on disc defensible to me.... When you play people online, some of them will have bought the DLC & some won't. Everyone gets to view it, as the content is stored on the disc. If there was a two-tiered system, you'd be limited to who you can play, based on who has and doesn't have DLC.
As it is, everyone gets to see those costumes when playing online. You only get to choose them if you pay though... That's what you're paying for, really... the right to select those costumes.
buttasuperb
05-10-2009, 01:07 AM
i just wish the sold them for each individual character.
only ones im truly interested in are guile and balrog.
greyzieoriental
05-10-2009, 01:19 AM
I wish they made a new costume pack. I bought them all separately, I'm a sucker.
PhrostByte
05-10-2009, 01:21 AM
No, the "issue" is that ignorant people like to pretend like they know what they're talking about, while not understanding the big business behind gaming and the simple fact that just because something IS on the disc doesn't mean that it WOULD have been on the disc if they didn't have the option to charge for it.
People are under the incorrect assumption that if DLC didn't exist these costumes would still have been created and would have been unlocked via some other (free) means. They are wrong. Without the option to charge for the costumes, they wouldn't have created the costumes in the first place. Capcom is a huge company with business analysts breaking down what does and does not make the cut into a game long before any actual coding begins on the game. When that work gets done (DLC before the game releases or after) is irrelevant because the decision is made ahead of time. If Capcom didn't have the option to charge for DLC, they would've had their artists move on to work on another game rather than spend the extra time creating alternate costumes, which would never have been made.
Capcom reps have confirmed as much about this as well as the Resident Evil multiplayer, and you could hear the frustration about people's ignorance in their voices as they said it. People need to quit living in this ultra simplistic world where just because something gets made before the game's release means that it would have been included if there wasn't an option to charge for it. there's a reason that there have been like 14 street fighter games released prior to this one with no option for DLC and not a single one of them had true alternate costumes that were unlockable. This was something they decided to add specifically BECAUSE they could charge for it, not something that they had already made and decided to charge for because they could.
If someone wants to argue that the costumes are priced too high, fine. I even agree with that, for what it's worth. But don't sit here and try and say that if DLC didn't exist that these costumes would have been free, because that's just not true. They just wouldn't exist in the first place.
I know my post won't be a popular one, and I'm sorry for bringing some realism into people's never-ending compulsion to complain about stuff they very clearly have no understanding of.
What can I say dude.. you're right. People don't like it but it's business.. it's life. Don't buy it if you don't want it.
Jodou
05-10-2009, 01:41 AM
What's funny is anyone who buys the PC version will be able to unlock these for free via mod or otherwise. Capcom lost some of my respect for trying to milk loyal fans like this.
solsovly
05-10-2009, 02:01 AM
It's cheaper than normal. It's on sale. It's a deal for those that want it. It has zero impact on game play and does not divide a community like a map pack. Content that will impact game play will be free.
Thanks for the post OP.
BlueSwim
05-10-2009, 02:09 AM
Here's what makes SFIV costume DLC on disc defensible to me.... When you play people online, some of them will have bought the DLC & some won't. Everyone gets to view it, as the content is stored on the disc. If there was a two-tiered system, you'd be limited to who you can play, based on who has and doesn't have DLC.
As it is, everyone gets to see those costumes when playing online. You only get to choose them if you pay though... That's what you're paying for, really... the right to select those costumes.
You're correct. That's also why Criterion includes all of the DLC cars for Burnout Paradise in their patches. It makes sense, but I'd still prefer not to feel like I got short-changed on my full price game.
4 1/2 years ago, when Dead or Alive: Ultimate came out on the original Xbox, DLC wasn't at the level it's at now and yet it had around 100 costumes. Most of them were not color swaps, either. I paid the full price on day 1 and I felt like I got the complete game, something I don't feel about SFIV.
Super Smash Bros. Brawl doesn't have DLC so Nintendo packed it with an insane level of extra content. When there is no way to make extra money off of a game, developers use extra content like costumes and such as a way to get gamers to the stores to pick their game up on day 1 at full price. When there is an option to make extra money like DLC, developers don't need to go overboard with the content.
DLC is smart for businesses, but there is a right way(Burnout Paradise) and a wrong way(Beautiful Katamari) to do it and I think SFIV leans more towards the wrong way to do it than the right.
Shady3011
05-10-2009, 02:20 AM
EA has to be the worse offender of unnecessary DLC period. I found out the other day that Need for Speed: Undercover has an option in the game to buy fake in-game money with real world money. Seriously. That is just straight up insidious.
As for Burnout, that's more Criterion than EA with regards to DLC.
BlueSwim
05-10-2009, 02:26 AM
EA has to be the worse offender of unnecessary DLC period. I found out the other day that Need for Speed: Undercover has an option in the game to buy fake in-game money with real world money. Seriously. That is just straight up insidious.
As for Burnout, that's more Criterion than EA with regards to DLC.
I think you are right about it being more Criterion than EA, I'll correct my post.
Didn't they do something like that with one of the Godfather games, too?
Shady3011
05-10-2009, 02:35 AM
Didn't they do something like that with one of the Godfather games, too?
Yeah, they did. I wouldn't be surprised if it's also in the sequel.
If the DLC is already on the disc it means it will take up less space on the harddrve. Either way they have no intention of giving you the content for free, the real difference is that it is not going to take up your harddrive space.
Xiemos
05-10-2009, 02:52 AM
EA has to be the worse offender of unnecessary DLC period. I found out the other day that Need for Speed: Undercover has an option in the game to buy fake in-game money with real world money. Seriously. That is just straight up insidious.
As for Burnout, that's more Criterion than EA with regards to DLC.
Namco Bandia is pretty notorious with it's DLC also.
The way I look at it, just let your wallet do the talking. Sure it sucks if you have to pay to unlock costumes in SF4 that are pretty much on the disk, but nothing is telling you that you need to buy them. Especially at the prices they are asking for.
I would personally buy it for $5 at most. Then again, I played SF4 the first week of release, and have barely touched it since, so take that as you will. I love RE5 (especially Mercenaries), but I am in no rush in purchasing that VS DLC or whatever it's called.
Furashu
05-10-2009, 04:10 AM
isnt this shizz 12.49 for this on PSN not 9.99!?
how is this a deal... unless u gettin the XBl pt cards for cheaper... which should be a deal in its own
eastx
05-10-2009, 04:44 AM
1000 MS points is not $9.99. It's $12.50.
The costume package is a deal because it costs less to get all the costumes in a single download than it does to buy them separately.
FiendCameron
05-10-2009, 04:52 AM
this thread is getting ridiculous. Capcom is greedy as hell, deal w/ it. I can't wait to see how they plan on milking Bionic Commando.
shouamabane
05-10-2009, 07:12 AM
Yeah, it's $12.49 on PSN. I totally forgot yesterday. I still recommend the purchase for street fighter fans though. It beats the original $20 for the individual packs.
progman3
05-10-2009, 07:15 AM
For me, (1000 MS Points < 1600 MS Points) = Deal. I was just about to buy these individually (having some friends/family over for Mother's Day BBQ) and just happened to stop by Cag. Thanks OP!
Guerrilla
05-10-2009, 09:28 AM
There should be a bundle that includes all of the costumes except the brawler pack for less, since the brawler pack came with the CE.
That's what annoys me; those with the CE save a whopping 80 points by buying the complete pack. :roll:
this thread is getting ridiculous. Capcom is greedy as hell, deal w/ it. I can't wait to see how they plan on milking Bionic Commando.
You only have to pay 1200 points to unlock the grappling gun. ;)