Bionic Commando: Rearmed price drop $4.99 on PSN/XBLA

[Serpent01]

Starting today, for a single week only in a promotion for the new Bionic Commando game. The price of Bionic Commando: Rearmed is now $4.99 on PSN!

Edit:
The XBLA version of Bionic Commando: Rearmed will also go on sale on LIVE for 400 starting on May 25.

http://www.capcom-unity.com/kramez/blog/2009/05/14/bionic_commando_rearmed_price_drop

[Troutyogurt]

that is sweet!!! Got it when it first came out and was definitely worth. But now at 5 bucks I think any old school fan should buy it!!!

[guessed]

How much is it normally?

[doodofdoods]

I wonder if next week's Deal of the Week for the 360 will be bionic commando rearmed.

[depascal22]

^^ It's normally $9.99.

[TctclMvPhase]

How much is it normally?

$9.99

Have they added trophy support to this yet?
It strikes me as one where not having retroactive trophies in the future could be a big headache...

[guessed]

^^ It's normally $9.99.

Thanks. I guessed it was that much, but just wanted to check. I've never bought anything on PSN, but this is making me consider it.

[Hydro2Oxide]

That makes up for the PS3 users not getting a BC multiplayer demo, GET THIS GAME! It's one of the best things on XBLA/PSN.

[DrumsVocalsKeys]

I wonder if next week's Deal of the Week for the 360 will be bionic commando rearmed.

I hope it will be. I've been longing for that game and hope I can pick it up for 400 points.

PS: Sorry for thread jacking.

[MSUHitman]

It won't be up until the store updates at around 6 p.m. central time as I just checked and it's still $10 on there.

[ctrek3]

this was a day one purchase at $10. anyone on the fence should pick this up!

[rperez1025]

I've been meaning to pick this up but never got around to it. Definitely picking it up now. Getting this along with Steam's previous $5 deals on World of Goo and Defense Grid (or whatever it's called), I can get used to this. Now I just have to play the darn games.

[callmesteam]

hope it drops on 360, but if not, im in on ps3. is it multiplayer as well?

[lunker]

I have it on 360 and it was an absurd deal for 800 points/$10. $5 is a no-brainer. Capcom could have easily priced this at $15 and people still would have bought it in droves—it's an excellent hard-as-balls platformer, and the challenge rooms alone will break your spirit (in a good way) if you're really into masochistic games.

[Thrinn]

hope it drops on 360, but if not, im in on ps3. is it multiplayer as well?

There's co-op.

[Rouzhokuu]

XBLA price drop on the 25th of may, down to 400 points.

http://www.capcom-unity.com/

[Shrapnellistic]

I urge everyone to jump on it. Felt like a steal at its original $10 pricetag - so polished. Never played the original and it took me a second playthrough to really appreciate it. Play it on easy first and then go to normal (AI really changes and you need to master swinging before taking them on).

@ callmesteam (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/member.php?u=31038)
is it multiplayer as well?Local only. 4 player competitive multiplayer. 2 player co-op.

[Shady3011]

I was thinking about getting this. $5 is too good to pass up. I'll wait to see if the 360 version also gets a sale next week. If not, PS3 it is.

Well, there's my answer.

[Nesmaster75]

XBLA price drop on the 25th of may, down to 400 points.

http://www.capcom-unity.com/

Thanks for the link Rouzhokuu, but man, I still don't know what to get it for. I already have a pretty descent XBLA library, but a small PSN one. After surfing the web, this game should have had trophy support by now, but doesn't. Damn...

[Shady3011]

Achievements is the deal breaker for me.

[shouamabane]

PS3 load times on this game are half as long as the 360 version. This outweighs achievements I think.

[Purkeynator]

NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I just bought this two weeks ago and haven't even had time to play it for more than half an hour.

[Thrinn]

Achievements is the deal breaker for me. I bought it on the PS3 for the better d-pad and the promise of implementation of trophies at a later date.. Ben Judd, the producer, originally promised that trophies would be implemented in the game. Just today he finally provided some closure on that promise stating that they ran out of time and trophies would not be coming after all.

[heyheyhey11]

Does everyone pay tax on purchases over at PSN?

[MarkTheArk]

PS3 load times on this game are half as long as the 360 version. This outweighs achievements I think.

thank you...looks like its ps3 version for me

[DrumsVocalsKeys]

XBLA price drop on the 25th of may, down to 400 points.

http://www.capcom-unity.com/

Yay!! :applause:

This is the best news that I have heard all day! I almost picked this up last weekend. I'm glad that I waited! I'll be getting BC:R on May 25, 2009!

[Shady3011]

Does everyone pay tax on purchases over at PSN?

I've never paid tax for anything I bought over PSN. I live in California if that matters.

[eastx]

The PS3 version also has a save bug where it sometimes deletes your challenge room data... Just a heads up. Its graphics are slightly better than the XBLA version though. Still, I'd get the XBLA version for the Achievements and lack of killer save data bug.

Oh and I wrote the FAQ for this game. :D

[RanchLizard]

Awesome deal, but I have a feeling that it might be too hard for me since I am generally horrible at games. Local co-op would be fun, though, if I could get my wife to play with me on easy.

Why the "M" rating?

[nikkai]

This game is FUN/HARD!
=)

Great fun with friends too =)

[nikkai]

Awesome deal, but I have a feeling that it might be too hard for me since I am generally horrible at games. Local co-op would be fun, though, if I could get my wife to play with me on easy.

Why the "M" rating?

Blood.

And he gets freaky with his arm.

Really freaky.

J/k

[Shrapnellistic]

@ heyheyhey11 (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/member.php?u=76028)
Does everyone pay tax on purchases over at PSN?Depends on the state. If you use a credit card, you'll have to pony up; but if you're using a PSN card, you can easily switch to a state with no online tax.

@ regis100 (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/member.php?u=28512)
Why the "M" rating?For the last boss only, I mean it. No blood or dismemberment anywhere else but at the last boss only.

[Hydro2Oxide]

TBH the achievements kind of blow on this game anyway. You aren't missing much.

[wampa8jedi]

I'll definitely download this once the 360 version goes on sale :D

[TctclMvPhase]

How is remote play with this?

I am bummed about the lack of trophies, but better graphics, better D-Pad and remote play kind of tilt me in the other direction.

[danstabbingworth]

Achievements is the deal breaker for me.

Ummmm, wat?

I was debating buying this as I have an NES in my man cave (the garage) and the original cart, but the achievements look really well thought out. I'm curious how achievements are a deal-breaker for you on what appears to be a fine remake of a fantastic game.

[cleaver]

PS3 or 360 version what say you?

[freshzen]

Damnit I have to wait til 5/25 =(

[DaedalusIkari]

BC Rearmed for only 5$? Holy crap, I'll be picking this up the instant it's available for 400 on XBLA. Been lazy and haven't gotten around to buying it yet, this is definitely going to push me to finally do so. =)

[freshzen]

PS3 or 360 version what say you?

I am getting it for 360 for achievements. Just don't care about PSN trophies as they took way to long to unify it.

[Indiana Jones]

Ummmm, wat?

You don't think something that has zero bearing on actual quality of gameplay and just goes to show how much time you spend playing is the most important thing ever in the history of video gaming? :D

[VWarrior]

I already have 360 Demo downloaded so I'll wait and buy this off Amazon for the exact price.

[Shady3011]

Ummmm, wat?

I was debating buying this as I have an NES in my man cave (the garage) and the original cart, but the achievements look really well thought out. I'm curious how achievements are a deal-breaker for you on what appears to be a fine remake of a fantastic game.

Between the PS3 and 360 version. Not on actually buying the game. I was about to get it at full price until I noticed this sale.

[zerotl]

Sweeet, I was about to get this last weekend.

Oh and if you have a psp and ps3 this should be a ps3 buy

[guardian_owl]

Sweet, been on the fence on this awhile and was hoping it would go on sale.

[mkelehan]

This is a retail-worthy game, I'm not even kidding. $10 is a steal. $5? You'd be literally insane to pass it up.

[shoe478]

I played this on the NES and beat it, any reason for me to play it again?

[spike4536]

Crap, I just bought this a week ago. :bomb:
Oh well, it's worth the 800 points i paid anyway. Very good game.

[gunm]

Sweet. The game is brutal, but I can't resist at that price. I'm in for the PSN version!

[lordopus99]

Been waiting for the drop. I figured there would be one around the new Bionic Commando game. Definite pickup on XBLA for me!

[segaplayer]

Crap, I just bought this a week ago. :bomb:
Oh well, it's worth the 800 points i paid anyway. Very good game.

Lol me too! I even thought that they would discount it as a promotion to get people excited for the sequel, should have gone with my gut instinct. Well I must say it was worth 10 dollars so I'm not too disappointed, plus my time was already reserved for playing the sequel when it comes out :D

[Wildcat1080]

Sweet. The game is brutal, but I can't resist at that price. I'm in for the PSN version!
Same. It's my birthday anyways, I can justify a $5 selfish purchase.

Actually, looks like I'll be giving PSN $15 today because I know I'm going to have to pick up Zen Pinball too, unless the demo just completely disappoints me. I'm a sucker for pinball games. Sonic Spinball was basically one of my favorite Genesis games.

[RudyPants]

If everybody doesn't purchase this game for $5 they need to stop visiting this site.

[EliotAndrews]

As someone that bought the game months ago, I can vouch for how awesome Rearmed is. The game was an amazing value at $9.99. Even the co-op is solidly programmed!

I consider Rearmed the best XBLA has to offer, and, at this lower price, I think anyone that passes this up is aggressively dense.

[ctrek3]

I played this on the NES and beat it, any reason for me to play it again?

i found rearmed to be more difficult, and it is different. i think you get more weapons, and there are the challenge rooms. it's also pretty. for $5, if you enjoyed the nes version, i say go for it.

[freshzen]

Same. It's my birthday anyways, I can justify a $5 selfish purchase.

Actually, looks like I'll be giving PSN $15 today because I know I'm going to have to pick up Zen Pinball too, unless the demo just completely disappoints me. I'm a sucker for pinball games. Sonic Spinball was basically one of my favorite Genesis games.

Its my birthday today as well. And George Lucas's.

[danstabbingworth]

Between the PS3 and 360 version. Not on actually buying the game. I was about to get it at full price until I noticed this sale.

Gotcha. Too bad for the 360's d-pad. I wish they would mass produce that optimized controller Europe supposedly got.

[Kirin Lemon]

PS3 or 360 version what say you?

Apparently the XBLA version experiences screen tearing, has slightly poorer graphics, and has longer load times (all these are according to people nitpicking the minor differences at GameFAQs). Oh, and the 360's D-pad is terrible. I'm going with the PS3 version.

[whotheheck]

Let me get this straight:

XBLA version has online multiplayer, achievments, and isn't buggy
PSN version has faster loadtimes, better graphics, and remote play

Am I right? If so, this is a hard choice. Leaning a bit towards the PS version though, cause of the controls.

[RelentlessRolento]

don't miss... by far one of the best 3rd party digital downloads. Was pretty much my GotY for last year as well....

[Ichigo1993]

Will most definitely pick this one up. I haven't played the first one, so this will be a fresh start for me.

[52club]

I'm surprised reliability issues with the 360 haven't been brought up. Also remember it is much cheaper to upgrade a PS3 HD versus upgrading a 360 HD. Then you throw in the ability to game share, I believe this tilts things towards the PS3 in IMO.

[Xploited]

Let me get this straight:

XBLA version has online multiplayer, achievments, and isn't buggy
PSN version has faster loadtimes, better graphics, and remote play


Better graphics? hmmm?

[Redrazorback]

Great timing! I was planning on picking this up for 360 in the next month. Half-price is always a good thing! :D

[mkelehan]

The analog stick works fine for this game. I haven't had any issues with the 360 version.

[shoe478]

i found rearmed to be more difficult, and it is different. i think you get more weapons, and there are the challenge rooms. it's also pretty. for $5, if you enjoyed the nes version, i say go for it.

It was over 15 years ago so I don't remember if I played it because I liked it or because I finished all the games I bought back then. Games didn't grow on trees like they do now. :)

I'm surprised reliability issues with the 360 haven't been brought up. Also remember it is much cheaper to upgrade a PS3 HD versus upgrading a 360 HD. Then you throw in the ability to game share, I believe this tilts things towards the PS3 in IMO.

I'm surprised you brought it up, we aren't comparing systems here. What does replacing the hard drive have to do with this game?

[52club]

It was over 15 years ago so I don't remember if I played it because I liked it or because I finished all the games I bought back then. Games didn't grow on trees like they do now. :)



I'm surprised you brought it up, we aren't comparing systems here. What does replacing the hard drive have to do with this game?

I'm going to try to respond without being sarcastic. However, where do you think your game is stored when it is downloaded? As you download more content what happens to a hard drive? If you need me to answer these questions for you I can.

[plutoknight]

Um .......$5?
For this game?

I almost bit at 10 but....at 5.....I gotta take it. Guess no RBDLC this week...ah well haha

[shoe478]

I'm going to try to respond without being sarcastic. However, where do you think your game is stored when it is downloaded? As you download more content what happens to a hard drive? If you need me to answer these questions for you I can.

You were really saying that the failure rate of the 360 would stop a person from buying the game for $5 next week? If a person wouldn't buy this game for that reason, he or she shouldn't have a 360 at all.

Also, this person would have to think about the ease of upgrading the hard drive when considering this purchase. Both systems have a way of transferring the data so I don't see why the hard drive should be considered at all.

I'm saying neither decision is relevant to buying this game and it appeared to me like you just wanted to bash the 360.

[wildnuts02]

i liked the demo but i heard the rest of the game is a BITCH from my friends....hmmm. i tend to quit on the harder games after a while

[RollingSkull]

BC:Rearmed is spectacular at $5. I almost don't want to meet the person who doesn't plunge at that price.

i liked the demo but i heard the rest of the game is a BITCH from my friends....hmmm. i tend to quit on the harder games after a while
The rest of the game isn't THAT hard, but you do have to learn the bionic arm pretty well. It is definitely a challenge.

The challenge mode levels are just retarded. They are indefensible. Pixel perfect timings with no real guide or prompt. You have to guess at them. It is ridiculous.

[NoDAK]

Starting today, for a single week only in a promotion for the new Bionic Commando game. The price of Bionic Commando: Rearmed is now $4.99 on PSN!

Edit:
The XBLA version of Bionic Commando: Rearmed will also go on sale on LIVE for 400 starting on May 25.
Too bad it isn't dropping at Amazon as well, 'cause, knowing Microsoft, the XBLA price drop will likely be a gold-exclusive deal.
If not, then I'm definitely buying it on the 25th.

And, what... no love for PC? ;)

[Nesmaster75]

I just picked it up, thanks OP. Maybe for 5 bucks I'll buy the 360 version as well...maybe.

[lunker]

The rest of the game isn't THAT hard, but you do have to learn the bionic arm pretty well. It is definitely a challenge.

The challenge mode levels are just retarded. They are indefensible. Pixel perfect timings with no real guide or prompt. You have to guess at them. It is ridiculous.

The last level is immensely demanding; everything else is fairly doable, if not tough, but the Albatross will make you a man. The section with the collapsing platforms was probably the most tense phase of platforming I've had in years, perhaps only ever topped by Tubular from Super Mario World.

It's a wonderfully done game, though, and if you like 2-D gameplay at all it's really a no-brainer.

And I've managed to beat all but the final challenge room. I don't think I'll ever beat the final challenge room. :(

[stoned99]

Am I the only person who didn't care for this game.

[DrumsVocalsKeys]

Am I the only person who didn't care for this game.

I hate to be the first to tell you...but it looks like you're the only one.

[HydroX]

Let me get this straight:

XBLA version has online multiplayer, achievments, and isn't buggy
PSN version has faster loadtimes, better graphics, and remote play

Am I right? If so, this is a hard choice. Leaning a bit towards the PS version though, cause of the controls.

Multiplayer is NOT online. Local only.

I bought this game at like 3am on day one while waiting for XBLA to update for it. Only to find out the hard way that there was no online multiplayer. I was a little irked at that fact, but it's still an amazing game MP or not.

[sleepydumbdude]

Sweet. I didn't like it at first but went over to a friends house and watched him play and gave it another shot. Can't wait til the xbla goes on sale.

[nwaugh]

Is there any reason to believe the 360 version won't be discounted on Amazon.com too?

[dallascowboys]

Is there any reason to believe the 360 version won't be discounted on Amazon.com too?
of course not. deal of the week prices are not on amazon (this may or may not be deal of the week).

[J7.]

Thanks for the link Rouzhokuu, but man, I still don't know what to get it for. I already have a pretty descent XBLA library, but a small PSN one. After surfing the web, this game should have had trophy support by now, but doesn't. Damn...
D-pad, better graphics, faster load times, game sharing, less likely to have to replace console, and remote play versus achievements and no challenge room bug, easy choice.

[52club]

You were really saying that the failure rate of the 360 would stop a person from buying the game for $5 next week? If a person wouldn't buy this game for that reason, he or she shouldn't have a 360 at all.

Also, this person would have to think about the ease of upgrading the hard drive when considering this purchase. Both systems have a way of transferring the data so I don't see why the hard drive should be considered at all.

I'm saying neither decision is relevant to buying this game and it appeared to me like you just wanted to bash the 360.

I just want to say this is a great deal first.

As a CAG the first thing I think about is how much $$$ it costs to upgrade the HD. I encourage you to do a per gigabyte comparison between the 360 and PS3. Then draw your own conclusions.

I'm also saying that if you can buy a the game for either system (like I can) wouldn't which system is most dependable factor in? Remember you will lose access to the game if your system dies. Then all the sudden to gain access to the $5 game you may have to purchase a new system. It is just something I thought some might want to think about.

I will admit to bashing the 360 for reliability issues and MS for overpricing their hard drives. I believe that bashing is well deserved in both cases.

The best part is if MS provided a decently priced HD I would not only purchase the HD I would buy more downloadable games. However, right now they can't get their head out of their ass to realize the big money isn't selling overpriced accessories, but instead selling software/games. It is pretty ironic when you think about a company that orgins began in software.

[Thrinn]

I'm also saying that if you can buy a the game for either system (like I can) wouldn't which system is most dependable factor in? Remember you will lose access to the game if your system dies. Then all the sudden to gain access to the $5 game you may have to purchase a new system. It is just something I thought some might want to think about.

I will admit to bashing the 360 for reliability issues and MS for overpricing their hard drives.
Why is that a factor when MS will typically fix a RROD issue for free?

The overpriced HDD on the other hand... yeah, there's just no excuse for that.

[Vyrtigo]

I got this day 1 and it's worth the full $10.

[yukafls]

No, the 25th for XBLA, too long to wait

[darkcecil32]

Sweet, time to buy my 2nd PSN game. Both are by Capcom, go figure (SFIIHDR being the other). Capcom's gotten a lot of love from me lately, surprisingly enough.

[ISHCM]

Is there any way to add a specific amount to my PSN wallet? I'm only given the options of $5, $10, and so on. I have a couple of bucks on a visa gift card I got a while back and just want to finish it up.

[simmias]

Is there any way to add a specific amount to my PSN wallet? I'm only given the options of $5, $10, and so on. I have a couple of bucks on a visa gift card I got a while back and just want to finish it up.
I haven't bought a game or DLC from PSN in a while, but I seem to recall you couldn't add odd amounts. If the DLC costs $1.99, you have the option of charging your card $1.99, but you can't add $1.99.

And I could never get a Visa gift card to work on PSN. It always declined the transaction.

[sinned47]

only offline coop

[52club]

Why is that a factor when MS will typically fix a RROD issue for free?

The overpriced HDD on the other hand... yeah, there's just no excuse for that.

They will for three years from the original purchase date. Maybe I'm wrong about considering the reliability of a system when purchasing games;).

[eastx]

52club, it'd be better if you didn't try to get system bashing arguments going on in a deals thread. That's some fine stealth trolling though.

Anyway! When deciding what system to purchase this game on, you should consider what system you plan on getting the new Bionic Commando retail game for. BC: Rearmed unlocks some cool stuff in Bionic Commando, so you'll want your download to match the retail title.

Also for people who are concerned about the difficulty, Easy mode is actually quite easy.

[simmias]

They will for three years from the original purchase date. Maybe I'm wrong about considering the reliability of a system when purchasing games;).
Aren't you worried that Sony's going to send you a refurb when your laser craps out (after charging you $125)? I know that's why I baby my 60GB PS3.

Shame on me for getting drawn into a console-warrish discussion in a $5 game thread.

And I really hope you're not an NU student who's basing these grand arguments around $5. What's that in NU tuition, like 30 seconds of class time? ;)

[Cleaner7]

I've been meaning to pick this up but never got around to it. Definitely picking it up now.

Same here! I'm so happy they're doing this! Actually, I was holding out thinking that they'd offer this game as a bonus for pre-ordering, but that didn't happen so I'm happy I held out for this.

[Flak]

Excellent, I've been playing the trial of BC:R and love it. Hopefully Amazon drops it down to $5 as well so I can use my promo credit from my 1600 card.

[playing mantis]

Am I the only person who didn't care for this game.

I don't really care much for BC: Rearmed either. I'm going to have to do a lot of soul searching, even at a $5 pricetag.

The difficulty of the game comes only from the clunky controls. I know it's a retro-tribute game, but still...

Hopefully the new Bionic Commando game won't be intentionally handicapped.

[limelight022]

I am SO glad i didnt buy this last week.

Been playing it all day today, a masterpiece for $10 and a steal at $5.

Thanks OP!

[HuppSav]

Hell yes, I have been hoping for this. If I'm gonna buy the R2 and K2 map packs for 6 bucks I am definately going to get this game for 5. Still upset I missed out on the psn Ratchet sale but this makes up for it.

[plutoknight]

Is there any way to add a specific amount to my PSN wallet? I'm only given the options of $5, $10, and so on. I have a couple of bucks on a visa gift card I got a while back and just want to finish it up.
Well you can't add anything below $5.
Or a user-specified amount

But you can put things in your cart and "charge" however much you lack for the purchase...as long as its over 5 dollars.

Thats how I do RB Songs. Put 3 int h cart and it charges 6.something to my card instead of $5 then another $5 charge.

[evildeadjedi]

Sweeet, I was about to get this last weekend.

Oh and if you have a psp and ps3 this should be a ps3 buy

Can you play it on psp also?

[wissy]

Can you play it on psp also?

yea it is supposed to have remote play and that may get me to buy it.

[LegendK7ll3r]

Whoever doesn't have this, buy it. It's that simple, it's one of the best XBLA games period.

Edit: Just bought it on PSN, so now I own it on two systems.

[guessed]

yea it is supposed to have remote play and that may get me to buy it.

I played the demo through remote play. Maybe it was just my network, or the fact that it was the demo, but it performed a little too slowly to be enjoyable.

[morphineseason]

I played the demo through remote play. Maybe it was just my network, or the fact that it was the demo, but it performed a little too slowly to be enjoyable.

That's remote play for ya. You can tweak settings on the PSP to make the image quality worse if you want to speed it up a little bit, but I found that even on the worst/fastest settings, there's a lot of lag.

[outphase]

Before I bought on separate accounts, I could charge $1.99 purchases without having anything in my wallet. Why you have to have > $5 is beyond me.

[PrarieD0G]

Wow, this is such a good deal. It's a very difficult game, but it's so rewarding when you finally beat it (well, it was for me, anyway). A very polished, well-made game. Buy it!

[SilentSinr]

wow I am really glad i didnt buy this last week like i was going too lol

[sbains]

Anyone who purchased from PSN - can you confirm if game has trophy patch or not?

[eastx]

Trophies have been canceled. The PSN version will never have them.

[sbains]

bummer, Ill skip this download as I am a trophy whore now!

[sliknik27]

Awesome. I have 2000 MS points eating a hole in my wallet.

[eastx]

You're also skipping on a totally great game when you do that - easily one of the best downloadable games of all time. But it's your choice. ~ ~

[morphineseason]

Wish I knew if this was going to be available for $5 on Amazon for the XBLA version. I wouldn't mind getting some achievements for busting my ass over a "hardcore" game. I hate buying MS points though. hmmmm decisions decisions.

[Dakinggamer]

I'm definitely gonna get it now that it's cheap now to decide whether to wait till May 25th for XBLA or now on PSN..

[BustaUppa]

Holy crap! I've come REALLY close to buying this recently. I am absolutely pulling the trigger once this sale hits!!! Thanks OP!!!

[Wildcat1080]

Played the demo on PSN, challenge room sold me alone I think - was addicting trying to get the best time I could.

[asthmatic]

i feel really handicapped with out a jump buttom :/

[Prix Dante]

Thank you, thank you, thank you! I've been waiting for this drop and it's now soon on the horizon for my 360.

[Wildcat1080]

i feel really handicapped with out a jump buttom :/
Yeah, I kind of like that about it. It totally throws a twist at you and makes you rethink how you play platformer / action games.

[digi7]

picked it up... great game but hard as fuck

[gibbyva]

I'll grab the XBL version when it drops since the Capcom idiots cancelled the trophy support.

[Hydro2Oxide]

I'll grab the XBL version when it drops since the Capcom idiots cancelled the trophy support.

Trust me, I'd go with the PS3 version. It looks better, runs better and the 360 achievements blow anyways.

[Wildcat1080]

I really don't see why people consider "trophy/achievements" a selling point. IT ADDS NOTHING TO THE GAME. If you're only playing games for achievements you're totally playing the wrong genre/platform.....go play an MMORPG.

[eastx]

Achievements add a lot for completitionists and competitive people. But we don't need an Achievement debate here, do we? Let people buy the game for the system of their choice.

[gunstar808]

This is some great news indeed, I am gonna be all over this! Question for those who have it tho, have you tried the 6 button Street Fighter controller with it? Thinking that might be a good option.

And what's up with all the Xbox/PS banter? Guys need to chill with that, people have there own reasons for things. And this isn't the forum for it anyways.

[EnronLackey]

Sweet! ^_^ I came *this* close from buying it last week after playing the demo again. Thx for the heads up OP!

[AoA]

Game on sale? Jumped on it. 'Nuff said.

[Trusty Mutsi]

I wonder if Amazon will have it for $5 as well, or just on XBL Marketplace?

[danstabbingworth]

I really don't see why people consider "trophy/achievements" a selling point. IT ADDS NOTHING TO THE GAME.

Sure it does. Instead of playing straight through a game and then setting it to the side, achievements can give you an incentive to do all the side quests or play a game through again in a different way.

Also, achievements can help highlight subtle gameplay ideas that players might normally miss.

[mkelehan]

Sure it does. Instead of playing straight through a game and then setting it to the side, achievements can give you an incentive to do all the side quests or play a game through again in a different way.

Also, achievements can help highlight subtle gameplay ideas that players might normally miss.

Exactly. They give you a checklist of challenges to meet after you've completed the game, and you can see how much your friends have accomplished in games you're both playing. I love them.

[ZxT Vendetta]

fuck that!! It would drop after I bought it 2 weeks ago....

[BustaUppa]

I hope this gets a RIDICULOUS amount of sales when the price drops. It would send a very good message to the publishers! I'm sick of random-ass games getting the premium $15 treatment for no good reason. Why the hell should Capcom's own "Flock" sell for 50% more than BC:Rearmed???

[Thrinn]

I'm sick of random-ass games getting the premium $15 treatment for no good reason. Why the hell should Capcom's own "Flock" sell for 50% more than BC:Rearmed??? Because Capcom didn't run a user poll on how much Flock should sell for like they did with BC:R. The users voted $10, and Capcom nervously went forward on that price point.

People who bought BC:R for $10 (myself included), shouldn't feel bad that the game's cheaper now. This could have easily been a $15 game and still have been worth every single penny.

[Wolfpup]

I have it on 360 and it was an absurd deal for 800 points/$10. $5 is a no-brainer. Capcom could have easily priced this at $15 and people still would have bought it in droves—it's an excellent hard-as-balls platformer, and the challenge rooms alone will break your spirit (in a good way) if you're really into masochistic games.

These hard comments are disturbing. Did they do a terrible job on the remake? :hot:

PS3 load times on this game are half as long as the 360 version. This outweighs achievements I think.

That and the graphics are probably because the 360 one doesn't have as much data to work with? Well, at any rate with the PS3 one being half the price of the 360 one that finally takes care of that question for me :D

[IvanHood]

Awesome, thanks for posting this, I will be picking up the 360 version as soon as it drops.

[Hydro2Oxide]

These hard comments are disturbing. Did they do a terrible job on the remake? :hot:

He means that the challenge rooms are so damn fun they're worth the price by its self. The campaign is awesome as well though but it isn't as excruciatingly (in a good platformer that's hard way) hard and challenging.

[Icehearted]

I'll have to be waiting for the XBLA version (no PS3). Thanks OP.

[Jay]

Sweet! ^_^ I came *this* close from buying it last week after playing the demo again. Thx for the heads up OP!

Too much info dude.

[eastx]

The only thing the PS3 version has over the 360 one graphically is that the 360 version's background shadows are slightly messed up. It's just some kind of little error that slipped through. If nobody told you, then you'd probably never notice. So it's not like the PS3 version has extra effects or more polygons or anything dramatic like that.

[HebiyO]

i was waitin for a promotion like that. this plus rag doll kung fu, its goin to be a busy weekend.

[Edge]

That and the graphics are probably because the 360 one doesn't have as much data to work with? Well, at any rate with the PS3 one being half the price of the 360 one that finally takes care of that question for me :D

The graphics quality between the two seems roughly identical (except for the aforementioned glitchy background shadows it seems). Originally Capcom was saying that due to the 150MB limit on Live arcade games, the Xbox 360 version of BC Rearmed would have lower quality textures (along with SF2HD not including the remixed music), however within a few weeks it was announced that Microsoft made an "exception" for those two games and would allow them to go above the normal limit, so their content is the same as the PS3 version.

I'm on the fence though...I usually prefer 360 versions of these games for a few reasons, but remoteplay definitely sounds tempting...

[ChernobylCow]

I haven't bought a single PSN title since I got my PS3 in December. I've tried the demo for this and I'm going to bite! Hell yeah, I love CAG. I mean sure, they advertise the price on PSN but I don't load that shit up regularly.

So I'll be getting BC:Rearmed & Kung Fu today. I got a promotion in e-mail the other day saying that if I bought anything from PSN store they would give me a free gift of PAIN in 7-10 days.

Don't know if it's good, but hell. I'll take a free gift for a $5.40 purchase.

[Wolfpup]

I got Pain free with my Metal Gear Playstation, and...I hate it. Looks good, but...oh well, it's better than Wii Sports, but...

EDIT: Like I said though it does look really good, and it is real original, so for free its worth downloading, but personally I got nothing from it.

[Trusty Mutsi]

Too much info dude.

Too much info? Why? He's just excited because this is perfect timing for him.

I didn't realize these boards were limited to hard, cold facts.

[guessed]

Sweet! ^_^ I came *this* close from buying it last week after playing the demo again. Thx for the heads up OP!

Too much info dude.

Too much info? Why? He's just excited because this is perfect timing for him.

I didn't realize these boards were limited to hard, cold facts.

Bolded and crossed out so you get the (lame) joke. If it has to be explained, it isn't funny, but this one wouldn't have been funny anyway.

[crzyjoeguy]

yeah i will pick this up for sure on may 25th once it drops on the 360. glad i saw this thread. game looks great.

[s0undwav3]

Damn, I downloaded this game about 2 days after it came out on the 360. I actually still have my original NES (with instructions and box) Bionic Commando. I really liked the remake, and I thought getting all the hidden bonuses are way harder to get than on the NES, even though they are all in the same places. Yep, I actually went back to play the NES version just to see.

Anyone that loves platformers would enjoy this game. $5.00 is a steal IMO.

[johnnyrocker360]

i bought it yesterday and it's fun. real fun. i haven't got far yet but i'm liking it. thanks for the heads up op!

[eastx]

No they're not all in the same place... Some of the places were unreachable before.

[J7.]

Does this game require accessing a guide repeatedly for secrets/stuff like that? I see gamefaqs has a secrets FAQ.

Here is some codes:
<LI class="cheat last">Unlockable Challenge Room Codes

At the title screen (not the main menu) enter these codes to access a few hidden Challenge Rooms. They will appear at the end of the Challenge Room list. Unfortunately you must enter the codes each time the game boots up and only one code can be active at a time. These codes only work on English versions of the game.
CodeEffectDown, Up, Down, Up, Left, L1, Square, L1, Square, Triangle, StartEuroGamer Challenge RoomRight, Down, Left, Up, L1, R1, Triangle, Triangle, X, X, StartFan Made (Arron Sedillo) Challenge RoomR1, Triangle, Square, Square, Up, Down, L1, L1, Up, Down, StartGamesRadar Challenge RoomUp, Down, Triangle, Square, Square, Triangle, Down, Up, L1, L1, StartIGN Challenge RoomContributed By: Paul Acevedo (http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/recognition/40359.html) and saturn_neo (http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/recognition/80219.html).

Unlockables



Super Hard difficulty


UnlockableHow to UnlockSuper hard difficultyBeat the game once on any mode.Contributed By: ididyourdad (http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/recognition/80921.html).

[eastx]

Just use the actual FAQ, which was written by yours truly. Or you could look for them on your own, which is plenty of fun too.

[J7.]

Is it like Metroid type secrets?

[madcyantist]

thanks i picked it up :)

[kube00]

Might have to bite on this for a game share

[darkl0rd]

how to get to the 2 doors on the right past the elevator on area 12

[NoDAK]

So, did they ever reveal what have the lil' game unlocks in the big game?

edit: Ah, OK. Thank you for the info, H2O.
Haven't dwnlded the demo. And, people must edit that out of their gameplay videos.

[Hydro2Oxide]

So, did they ever reveal what have the lil' game unlocks in the big game?

It unlocks a playable character and suit for multiplayer. You can see that after each round of the demo, it advertises it.

[Javery]

I'll be picking this up.

[skrutop]

$5? Pretty sweet!

[Serpentor]

actually, i was the 2nd person so far who don't really care about this game. However for $5? I might just buy it... No trophies do suck though, but game sharing is priceless.

[Juiceboxharry]

i just picked this up. i was on the fence for a while, but you really can't beat five bucks. and of what i've played, its freaking awesome. i totally should have bought this sooner, even at 10 bucks its worth it

[basis]

really noob question, but is there any stuff in this game that unlocks more stuff in upcoming / revamped Bionic Commando?

[Werdz]

Is this one of the Gold only deals. If not I'll pick it up I have 400 points just sitting there.

[RaidenMGS3]

Is this one of the Gold only deals. If not I'll pick it up I have 400 points just sitting there.

Yes, it's Gold only.

[Hydro2Oxide]

really noob question, but is there any stuff in this game that unlocks more stuff in upcoming / revamped Bionic Commando?

Yeah, you get the classic Bionic Commando suit which looks way better than the weird dreadlock look they went for.

[HuppSav]

Unlock key help
How do I download the game

[optimusprime8062]

Unlock key help
How do I download the game

Download the demo with the unlock key. Unless you downloaded the demo as well and I misunderstood your question. Basically the demo is the game and you download the key to unlock the rest of it...like Wipeout

[whywakeup]

Time to pick this up !

[HuppSav]

Download the demo with the unlock key. Unless you downloaded the demo as well and I misunderstood your question. Basically the demo is the game and you download the key to unlock the rest of it...like Wipeout
thanks
I deleted that demo months ago but am redownloading it now.
I wish they would have made that a bit clearer. I know many others who wasted lots of time trying to figure it out.

[Wildcat1080]

I picked this up on PSN last week. Even as someone who never played the original, it's amazing. The text dialogue is hilarious.

[Rollobobo]

Ok so this is officially 400 pts? Will Silver Members have a chance at it? Onle last question...anyone know if I use a 48 hour card to be gold..would that work if its for gold only?

[crzyjoeguy]

Ok so this is officially 400 pts? Will Silver Members have a chance at it? Onle last question...anyone know if I use a 48 hour card to be gold..would that work if its for gold only?

from what i understand, it is gold members only, and no 48 hour trials do not work for this, you have to actually pay for gold membership

[Rollobobo]

from what i understand, it is gold members only, and no 48 hour trials do not work for this, you have to actually pay for gold membership

Damn...ok. thanks for the input....if anyone finds out anything else, please post

[d_south_cr]

Trust me, I'd go with the PS3 version. It looks better, runs better and the 360 achievements blow anyways.


Can anyone say PS3 Fanboy. Don't trust him he's a fanboy just read his post.



Get it on whatever system you like. Achievements/Trophies make games replay value last so much longer.

[Hydro2Oxide]

Can anyone say PS3 Fanboy. Don't trust him he's a fanboy just read his post.



Get it on whatever system you like. Achievements/Trophies make games replay value last so much longer.

Look at my sig jack, I don't even own a PS3 :roll:

[AoA]

Wait...there are different levels of what you deals you get or what you can and can't download on the 360 depending on how much you pay for Live?
Nickel and diming players sucks.

[guessed]

Wait...there are different levels of what you deals you get or what you can and can't download on the 360 depending on how much you pay for Live?
Nickel and diming players sucks.

While I agree that it sucks that Silver doesn't get the deals, it should be mentioned that Silver is free. So it doesn't depend how much you pay for Live, it only depends on if you pay for it.

[morphineseason]

Glad I ended up getting this deal on PS3. I guess there's still a chance Amazon will match the 4.99 price point so that you can buy it for exactly 4.99 for XBLA, but as it stands right now, I'm completely against the Microsoft points system because you can't just buy 4.99 worth of points (yes, I'm THAT cheap). I originally kind of wanted achievements too, but I looked them up and I'll have to agree with a previous poster...the achievements kind of suck. I'm looking to put some time into this game...just not THAT much time. I find that the dualshock d-pad comes in particularly handy in the sometimes demanding controls of this game as well.

I'm really liking the game so far though. You really have to use some quick reflexes and strategy to think about how you're going to tackle the platforming, and each enemy kind of has their own abilities or weak points. It's challenging, but definitely not impossible, and when you beat stuff, it feels rewarding in its own right. For anyone on the fence - BUY IT! - it's an excellent value for either system. There's tons of unlockables, secrets, and challenges to keep you busy.

[RaidenMGS3]

Can anyone say PS3 Fanboy. Don't trust him he's a fanboy just read his post.



Get it on whatever system you like. Achievements/Trophies make games replay value last so much longer.

The achievements in the game DO suck though (as Capcom is the worst company in existance when it comes to achievements), the amount of time you're investing for a lousy 200 points is insane. They really need a new achievement tier for XBLA games...

[eastx]

Aww, I think the Achievements go well with the game's overall challenge level. They're not easy, but they're not impossible and it does mean something when you've accomplished them.

[RaidenMGS3]

Aww, I think the Achievements go well with the game's overall challenge level. They're not easy, but they're not impossible and it does mean something when you've accomplished them.

5 points for beating the game on Super Hard is about as big a middle finger as I can conceive. It's up there with Far Cry's 2 lousy 10 points for finding all the diamonds!

[simmias]

5 points for beating the game on Super Hard is about as big a middle finger as I can conceive. It's up there with Far Cry's 2 lousy 10 points for finding all the diamonds!
I see your Bionic Commando/FC2 and raise you an Infinite Undiscovery. One point for beating the hardest boss on the hardest mode.

[Pojomofo]

BC:rearmed is SOOOO good, it tough but not horribly hard (on normal that is)

[danstabbingworth]

5 points for beating the game on Super Hard is about as big a middle finger as I can conceive. It's up there with Far Cry's 2 lousy 10 points for finding all the diamonds!

Well, since 99% of people won't even bother trying for this achievement, they're missing out on 5 points instead of 20 or 50 or whatever. You're whining because Capcom won't cater to a tiny subset of hardcore gamers? Go buy a copy of Avatar: TLA if you're so upset about it.

[breakin2]

He already has the 1000 pts for Avatar. Seriously.

[Rollobobo]

Is this availble on the cheap yet for non gold members?

[sturner83]

I see your Bionic Commando/FC2 and raise you an Infinite Undiscovery. One point for beating the hardest boss on the hardest mode.

What makes it even worse is that 4 points you're stuck with to screw up your GS until you beat that hardest boss on the hardest difficulty.

[CaoPi]

thread should be locked DEAL IS DEAD!

[crzyjoeguy]

thread should be locked DEAL IS DEAD!


i thought it was supposed to kick in tomorrow for xbox?

[Flak]

i thought it was supposed to kick in tomorrow for xbox?
Don't feed the trolls.

[xbox_mole]

i thought it was supposed to kick in tomorrow for xbox?

It will. :)

[DariusWIND]

Sucks, I finally got up off my lazy ass to get this today and found out that it ended yesterday. Oh well, its money I didnt need to spend anyway.

[simp1ysimon]

does anyone know if BS: rearmed will be discounted on xbox live at midnight?

[xbox_mole]

does anyone know if BS: rearmed will be discounted on xbox live at midnight?

I believe they usually do the discounts around 2 AM PT so around 5 AM ET.

[lolwut?]

I believe they usually do the discounts around 2 AM PT so around 5 AM ET.

This. I just checked a little while ago and nothing.

At least it leaves something nice to wake up to!

[whywakeup]

Come on Bionic Commando .

[Reimu]

As of right now, it shows it at 400 MS points. When you go to buy it though, it says it's going to charge you 800 MS points.

[triforcer]

finally something to spend my points on.

[RaidenMGS3]

As of right now, it shows it at 400 MS points. When you go to buy it though, it says it's going to charge you 800 MS points.

It's fixed now, OFFICIALLY 400ms points!

[EnronLackey]

It's fixed now, OFFICIALLY 400ms points!

Confirmed .. just bought it and its currently downloading it .. sweet deal! ^_^

[Ichigo1993]

Will be downloading it later today when I get my 360 up and running :P

Can't wait.

[revsmitty]

Sweet, picked it up for 400 also

[jproland]

Hooray! Let's hope they drop Commando 3 soon too!

[DrumsVocalsKeys]

I downloaded BC:R for 400 points. It's a very challenging game (right up my alley) and well worth the price. I played some co-op with my wife and she enjoyed it just as much as I did. Go get this game. NOW!

[Poor2More]

I have never played Bionic Commando on NES, but I just bought this for 400 MS, damn worth it

[Rollobobo]

Ok....so is this 400 points for silver members as well????

[sleepydumbdude]

I picked it up this morning. Off today so will give me something to do besides watching history channel and drinking.

[simp1ysimon]

i just brought it this morning, the game is sooo worth $5. there's challenge stages and the swinging mechanic is pretty stiff to begin with but once you get the hang of it, it's so rewarding.

[sliknik27]

Nice. I can't wait to play this one.

[crzyjoeguy]

Ok....so is this 400 points for silver members as well????


xbox live gold deal of the week, sorry bro you will have to go buy some xbox live gold, or pay full price

[SimaYi]

Can someone give me a definitive answer, which version to buy, PS3 or Xbox 360?

[crzyjoeguy]

Can someone give me a definitive answer, which version to buy, PS3 or Xbox 360?

i thought the ps3 version wasn't on sale anymore? so if its not id say 360 for 1/2 the price

[Flak]

The PS3 might have slightly better graphics but no trophy support. Google will tell you if I'm forgetting something.

[whywakeup]

can someone give me a definitive answer, which version to buy, ps3 or xbox 360?

360 !

[distgfx]

Can someone give me a definitive answer, which version to buy, PS3 or Xbox 360?

PS3 version's not on sale anymore as far as I know, but it had some extra challenge rooms the 360 version didn't.

[Icehearted]

I should have know this with be an Xbox Live Gouged member deal. MS never cut the frugal a break. This is one of those times I am disappointed I don't have a PS3, since online is free, which means I don't have to pay extra for everything that comes with a game or "unlock" something I've already payed for, let alone having to pay a fee to get a discount (makes so much sense).

Ah well.

[Cleaner7]

Just picked this up! So glad I waited to buy it until now.

[mcgavin27]

I picked it up. Only a few levels in but its a fun game. Little rough to get into to (lack of jump) but you quickly get used to it.

[Andrigaar]

xbox live gold deal of the week, sorry bro you will have to go buy some xbox live gold, or pay full price

I need to pay them $50 (no sales going on) to save $5? Bah, that's no deal.

[Rollobobo]

xbox live gold deal of the week, sorry bro you will have to go buy some xbox live gold, or pay full price

Thanks...I actually found a 1 month card in my GTA IV game..used it....BC rearmed then went from 800 pts to 400 pts. Score.

Thank you though for letting me know.

[crzyjoeguy]

Thanks...I actually found a 1 month card in my GTA IV game..used it....BC rearmed then went from 800 pts to 400 pts. Score.

Thank you though for letting me know.


nice, i only played 2 levels, but the game seems very good for $5

[crzyjoeguy]

I need to pay them $50 (no sales going on) to save $5? Bah, that's no deal.


it is a deal for people like me who have xbox live anyway. but also xbox live is always on sale for at least $40 check newegg.com, but if you dont play xbox live then yeah deals no good for you. but it is a deal

[louiedog]

I need to pay them $50 (no sales going on) to save $5? Bah, that's no deal.

Here is a tip, never visit any threads with deals at Sams Club or Costco. Your head may explode.

[eastx]

I need to pay them $50 (no sales going on) to save $5? Bah, that's no deal.

Back under the bridge with ya.

[breakingcustoms]

got it for 360...thanks!

[Andrigaar]

Here is a tip, never visit any threads with deals at Sams Club or Costco. Your head may explode.

Since I happen to frequent Costco in person and usually only check DVDTalk threads about Costco: Huh?

And I am considering a gold account, but I only got the 360 two weeks ago.

Back under the bridge with ya.

Not trolling, just comparing it to Steam weekly deals where some sort of membership isn't required.

[eastx]

Yeah, why don't you compare apples to oranges while you're at it? It's a lame comparison, almost certainly intended to annoy.

[neoKEN]

Got BC today. excellent deal for 5$. Graphics are gorgeous.

[limelight022]

Bought it for ps3 for $5 and beat it a few days ago. Hardcore oldschool action. Goes back to the days when games were actually FUN to play.

[Andrigaar]

Yeah, why don't you compare apples to oranges while you're at it? It's a lame comparison, almost certainly intended to annoy.

Hmm.. DLC service with DRM and a DLC service that also does game hosting... yea apples and oranges instead of different apples.

Oh FFS, I don't even care about that, I'm asking about the Costco remark now. Could you pack your ego away and help me find a way to skim a few bucks off of a gold membership, or is that asking too much? It's not worth $50 to me, and with SSF2THD being discounted in a few weeks is incentive enough to inquire within.

[crzyjoeguy]

Hmm.. DLC service with DRM and a DLC service that also does game hosting... yea apples and oranges instead of different apples.

Oh FFS, I don't even care about that, I'm asking about the Costco remark now. Could you pack your ego away and help me find a way to skim a few bucks off of a gold membership, or is that asking too much? It's not worth $50 to me, and with SSF2THD being discounted in a few weeks is incentive enough to inquire within.


its always $39.99 at newegg.com like i said earlier 12+1 month sub. that skims $10 off better then nothing.


edit: amazon has them for 40 bucks also. the ones that are instant, not where you have to wait for it to be mailed, here is a link.

http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-Live-Month-Bonus-Online/dp/B001V7QIDE/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1243299515&sr=8-4

[J7.]

Costco sells Gold 12+1 month for $39.99.

[Andrigaar]

its always $39.99 at newegg.com like i said earlier 12+1 month sub. that skims $10 off better then nothing.


edit: amazon has them for 40 bucks also. the ones that are instant, not where you have to wait for it to be mailed, here is a link.

http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-Live-Month-Bonus-Online/dp/B001V7QIDE/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1243299515&sr=8-4

Funny, I saw that two weeks ago while getting Rez and some other games, but went to look again last week and swear that it was back up to $50 for the online code. Thanks either way.

Shenanigans on me, or the less likely option that Amazon has been screwing with their prices :/

EDIT:
$50 now. I think they raise the price during the weekend and drop it $10 during the week.

[Wolfpup]

Bought it for ps3 for $5 and beat it a few days ago. Hardcore oldschool action. Goes back to the days when games were actually FUN to play.

They're not fun now? Not that I don't love Bionic Commando...

Here is a tip, never visit any threads with deals at Sams Club or Costco. Your head may explode.

Very different. Those are stores where it's known you have to be a member to buy stuff there (for the most part), and also the point of being a member is to buy stuff. Xbox Live Gold is an multiplayer game service (1), and many deals for Live Arcade do not require the multiplayer Gold service (2)

[h8b1llg8ts]

Why isn't Amazon price matching MS?

[Shady3011]

Why isn't Amazon price matching MS?

It's an exclusive sale for Gold members not everyone.

[h8b1llg8ts]

It's an exclusive sale for Gold members not everyone.

I saw that after I logged in and added it to my que ... thanx.

[J7.]

They're not fun now? Not that I don't love Bionic Commando...

I'd agree that games are not as fun as they used to be and I don't think it's just because we're old or played too many. I still find some games as fun or more fun than those in the past, but that is very rare and most can't compare to past games. Developers are too concerned with pulling off technical aspects than gaming psychology.

[Wolfpup]

I completely disagree. I mean you might not like games as well now, might not like the genres or whatever, but if anything games tend to be better made now, more streamlined to remove annoying parts (though we have a LONG way to go with that).

I miss 2D platformers and 2D in general. I'd love to see some real work done on that on the current gen systems. I'd also like some easier to play Japanese RPGs...but less fun? That's really you guys preferences, not games in general. I've been playing stuff since before the NES, and think stuff's just as fun as ever. Heck, some stuff like Mass Effect is something I dreamed of for decades.

Also I 100% disagree about an increased focus on technical stuff. If anything I think there's less of a focus on that than in the past, but certainly it hasn't DECREASED. I don't know where that idea could come from, and I've seen it expressed before. Hardware introductions have slowed, fancing coding is out with middleware in, etc., etc., etc. Technical aspects, if anything, seemed a bigger focus 20 years ago.

[bizmat]

I bought the game earlier today. It's pretty fun and at the same time challenging. I also like the starting area music.

[yukafls]

I love this game, its very challenging and fun. Definitely more than worth $5

[J7.]

I completely disagree. I mean you might not like games as well now, might not like the genres or whatever, but if anything games tend to be better made now, more streamlined to remove annoying parts (though we have a LONG way to go with that).

I miss 2D platformers and 2D in general. I'd love to see some real work done on that on the current gen systems. I'd also like some easier to play Japanese RPGs...but less fun? That's really you guys preferences, not games in general. I've been playing stuff since before the NES, and think stuff's just as fun as ever. Heck, some stuff like Mass Effect is something I dreamed of for decades.

Also I 100% disagree about an increased focus on technical stuff. If anything I think there's less of a focus on that than in the past, but certainly it hasn't DECREASED. I don't know where that idea could come from, and I've seen it expressed before. Hardware introductions have slowed, fancing coding is out with middleware in, etc., etc., etc. Technical aspects, if anything, seemed a bigger focus 20 years ago.
That's fine, it's your opinion. Though streamlined means nothing to me when the actual gameplay hasn't evolved enough or has actually degenerated. Almost every genre has seen its best games released past generations ago. No increased focus on technical stuff? Developers put more care into lighting, textures, reflections, water, etc today instead of the actual stuff that makes a game fun to play.

Hardware has slowed because it's more expensive now and more power allows for more degrees of utilizing it. Middleware is done merely for cost saving and hasn't stopped developers from trying to up everyone else utilizing the same engine.

[Wolfpup]

That's fine, it's your opinion. Though streamlined means nothing to me when the actual gameplay hasn't evolved enough or has actually degenerated.

Hasn't evolved? Degenerated? When? What?

Almost every genre has seen its best games released past generations ago.

There are some select genres (like what I mentioned) that have unfortunately fallen out of favor, but beyond that I don't know what you could be talking about.

No increased focus on technical stuff? Developers put more care into lighting, textures, reflections, water, etc today instead of the actual stuff that makes a game fun to play.

According to you? What evidence do you have for that, or that developers care less about the experience than they used to? What evidence do you have that there's an increased focus on the technical side?

I've heard this before...did you follow IDEs in the 80's? The 90's? If so, how can you claim that? There was always talk about new programming techniques, new hardware, etc. I really think that's DECREASED now, not increased, but it certainly hasn't gotten more of a focus.

My assumption with people making claims like this is either:

They like some genres that have gone out of favor far more than current genres, and so think things have gotten worse
They didn't play things in the past, and don't actually know how things have changed (or not)
They like (or think they like) things from a particular point better, because it took place during a particular point in their life (just as you hear people claiming films or music have gotten worse...almost always since the supposed "golden age" of their adolescence



Middleware is done merely for cost saving and hasn't stopped developers from trying to up everyone else utilizing the same engine.

And how is trying to do that new? If they really, really just cared about the tech, they'd all be rewriting their own engines, etc. for that matter, not reusing stuff so they can focus on the rest of the experience.

I'm sure there are more, but off hand, the only creator I can think of that always has seemed to focus on technology over the actual experience-Factor 5-just went under. Only they've ALWAYS been like that, or at least since the mid 90's. (Honestly I've never played Turrican, so I don't know if it was similar.)

You used to find far MORE talk about technology, about how some piece of tech outdoes someone else's piece of tech in the past than you EVER do now.

[rabbitt]

I picked this up last night. It's worth $10 to me, so $5 is a good deal.

[eastx]

I don't think there's any point in arguing with Wolfpup... :P

But I agree that when people say that games aren't as good as they used to be, it's one of these things:

-They're tying their memories of older gamers with a happier/nostalgic time in their lives.
-Games have evolved but the gamer has not. He doesn't want a good story, or he doesn't enjoy the myriad other advances that games have made, especially multiplayer games.
-The gamer only likes certain genres which are underrepresented these days. However the same gamer is probably oblivious to the many indie and downloadable games that fit in those genres.

[louiedog]

I don't think there's any point in arguing with Wolfpup... :P

But I agree that when people say that games aren't as good as they used to be, it's one of these things:

-They're tying their memories of older gamers with a happier/nostalgic time in their lives.
-Games have evolved but the gamer has not. He doesn't want a good story, or he doesn't enjoy the myriad other advances that games have made,e specially multiplayer games.
-The gamer only likes certain genres which are probably underrepresented these days. However the same gamer is probably oblivious to the many indie and downloadable games that fit in those genres.

I agree completely. It happens with all forms of entertainment. People think there aren't any good movies anymore and music sucks these days. In 20 years people will say the same thing and point back to now, because in 20 years people will have forgotten White Chicks and the first 50 Cent game. They'll remember Bioshock and The Dark Knight and say, "Why don't they make them like that anymore?"

[supremebeanjw1]

I agree completely. It happens with all forms of entertainment. People think there aren't any good movies anymore and music sucks these days. In 20 years people will say the same thing and point back to now, because in 20 years people will have forgotten White Chicks and the first 50 Cent game. They'll remember Bioshock and The Dark Knight and say, "Why don't they make them like that anymore?"

It's called nostalgia. Nothing ever lives up to what you played as a kid because you were less discerning than you are now. I used to think all the older NES games I played were great and nothing current could ever top them, but then I play little gems like Shadow of the Colossus :)

[J7.]

Hasn't evolved? Degenerated? When? What?

Look at current JRPG's for instance. Better & more complex stories have existed in the past as well as better battle systems and gameplay. Or survival horror. It used to have a great immersion and actually created a tense and scary atmosphere. Now they've become games with cheap thrills and mindless action. Racing games have become incredibly stagnant with barely any new ideas, retreading the same things over and over, concentrating on the amount of cars or particle effects instead. These are but a few examples.

There are some select genres (like what I mentioned) that have unfortunately fallen out of favor, but beyond that I don't know what you could be talking about.

The following games were better and more fun for their time than the majority of current releases, and thus were more fun relative to how fun games are today. In direct comparison a new game could be more fun, but these games were more fun for their time and thus were a better experience. Just because they are not anymore, doesn't take away how fun they were back then.

Sports: Tecmo Super Bowl, NFL Blitz, 1080 Snowboarding, SSX, Tony Hawk 1-3, NBA Jam, Punch Out, Super Punch Out, etc.
FPS: Doom, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Halo, Half Life 2, Quake series, etc
RPG: Chrono Trigger, FF6-10, Xenogears, Xenosaga, FFT, etc.
SHMUP: Anything last gen and older
Adventure: Zelda series pre GC
Racing: Daytona USA 1&2, Mario Kart series pre GC, F-Zero series, Wipeout series pre PSP, GT 1-3, etc
Survival Horror: RE 0-4, Silent Hill 1-3, Eternal Darkness, etc
Fighting: SFII, SF Alpha series, MK 2-3, Killer Instinct, VF 1-4, Tekken 1-3, etc
Platformer: Mario 1,2,3,World,64, etc
Puzzle: Tetris, Puzzle Fighter 2, Dr Mario, etc
Beat em up: Double Dragon, TMNT Arcade game & TiTime, Streets of Rage, etc
Side Shooter: Contra 1,3, Gunstar Heroes, Metal Slug series, etc
RTS: Starcraft, Warcraft 2-3, earlier Command & Conquer, Civilization series (although IV may be an exception).
Sandbox: GTA:VC, GTA:SA.

These to me were more fun for their time and better games for their time relative to how fun and good games are today for their time. The experiences I've had with these types of games were better than the experiences games of today have given me. And it's not merely age difference in myself because there are still games today that have been more fun for their time relative to these games in the past. And this is my opinion, just as you have yours.

According to you? What evidence do you have for that, or that developers care less about the experience than they used to? What evidence do you have that there's an increased focus on the technical side?

It's all you fucking hear about when they talk about their games. It's clear in the design of the games. It's what the average person wants (they buy games with the best graphics not the best gameplay, CAGs might not, but most of the public does). They cater to the lowest commond denominator. It's obvious when you look at what they've created. Gabe Newell was 100% correct when he said that whole thing about game creators are not taking into account the psychology of reward and reinforcement enough. What evidence do you have that it's not an increased focus...

I've heard this before...did you follow IDEs in the 80's? The 90's? If so, how can you claim that? There was always talk about new programming techniques, new hardware, etc. I really think that's DECREASED now, not increased, but it certainly hasn't gotten more of a focus.

IDEs? Do you mean ID software? Not following you. Of course there was talk of new hardware and such, that will always happen, but it has increased in the game industry of today in comparison to the past. Not by a huge amount, but enough that it has made its mark. Technology is becoming more and more part of our society and consciousness, and leading people to pay more attention to it. New game experiences require technological advances and it's become harder to create new experiences without trying to push the technological envelope in some form.






My assumption with people making claims like this is either:
They like some genres that have gone out of favor far more than current genres, and so think things have gotten worse
They didn't play things in the past, and don't actually know how things have changed (or not)
They like (or think they like) things from a particular point better, because it took place during a particular point in their life (just as you hear people claiming films or music have gotten worse...almost always since the supposed "golden age" of their adolescence
I like every genre that exists, back then and now, except modern fighting games. I've been playing games since Atari, and have never stopped since then. I realize there is an age factor, but I still feel that it is not simply that. I still like some modern games more than those in the past, but there are not many of these.

And how is trying to do that new? If they really, really just cared about the tech, they'd all be rewriting their own engines, etc. for that matter, not reusing stuff so they can focus on the rest of the experience.

I'm sure there are more, but off hand, the only creator I can think of that always has seemed to focus on technology over the actual experience-Factor 5-just went under. Only they've ALWAYS been like that, or at least since the mid 90's. (Honestly I've never played Turrican, so I don't know if it was similar.)

You used to find far MORE talk about technology, about how some piece of tech outdoes someone else's piece of tech in the past than you EVER do now.

Costs are so high now that developers are pretty much forced to use middleware. Even if they want to push the technological envelope, it doesn't mean they have the resources and time to be able to do what they want. I'll do the same thing to you... Devil's Advocate: If they cared more about the experience than the tech they would create an engine that fitted the type of game experience they wanted to create and not be limited by the middleware. You see... it's about costs and what concessions they need to make...

What about Epic, id, Crytek, SE FF series, High Voltage, Polyphony Digital, among others. Then there's those that try to go for both technical and creative/fun like Kojima (which is actually the best of both worlds). This is why he and those rare few like Blizzard and Valve stand out in this industry...

Disagree. Also now it's more of about touting your tech and what you're doing than comparing to others. There's less fighting against competitors in that aspect and more of a personal focus on what someone is doing themselves. This is probably to a large degree the result of developers trying to be more professional as the industry becomes larger and mainstream.


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I don't think there's any point in arguing with Wolfpup... :P

But I agree that when people say that games aren't as good as they used to be, it's one of these things:

-They're tying their memories of older gamers with a happier/nostalgic time in their lives.
-Games have evolved but the gamer has not. He doesn't want a good story, or he doesn't enjoy the myriad other advances that games have made, especially multiplayer games.
-The gamer only likes certain genres which are underrepresented these days. However the same gamer is probably oblivious to the many indie and downloadable games that fit in those genres.
I agree age/time in life is aspect, but there's still games today that I think are better than those in the past. But there were more in the past that were better for their time. I've evolved, I don't like the same genres as much as I did when I was younger. I appreciate a good story, I love the stories that a few of the games out there they can provide. I'm aware of many of the indie games out there and have played many of them.

[Sgt Barone]

In for a 360 version. Awesome game! Well worth the price!

[Frankski]

I agree completely. It happens with all forms of entertainment. People think there aren't any good movies anymore and music sucks these days. In 20 years people will say the same thing and point back to now, because in 20 years people will have forgotten White Chicks and the first 50 Cent game. They'll remember Bioshock and The Dark Knight and say, "Why don't they make them like that anymore?"

EXCUSE ME?????

My wife and I LOVED White Chicks. Hilarious movie! Not usually a fan of the Wayans (IMO alot of misses for relatively few hits), but this movie was HILARIOUS!

[eastx]

Frankski, I hope you were being facetious. You won't win a whole lot of arguments in favor of White Chicks being a good movie.