View Full Version : Graphics Card performing horribly.
neverletthem
05-16-2009, 08:22 PM
I've got a 9800GT, PNY is the brand. And it does exactly what the topic says. Running in through a stress test in CS:S reports back an average of 113 FPS. When playing on a server, I idle at around 60, and during firefights I stay at 20-30. Now, there is SOMETHING wrong, as with my old card, a 9600 GT(BFG, returned do to an error where it would lose the signal, decided not to buy another due to the problem happening to a lot of other users.) reported a stress test at 240 FPS. It rarely went below 100 FPS in CS:S. I've tried over clocking the card, but it decreases the performance.
System Stats:
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU E2200 @ 2.20GHz (2 CPUs), ~2.2GHz
PSU: BFG 550W
4 Gigs of RAM
(I get a 4.7 in the Vista Rating, with it being a RAM score.)
So, I'm at a loss. I don't know if it's a CPU bottleneck, but if it didn't do it with the 9600, unless it's a giant performance increase, I'm not sure why it would do it with the 9800. Any help?
HeadRusch
05-16-2009, 08:37 PM
I assume you uninstalled all the previous drivers back to a standard windows VGA.SYS driver...then re-installed the NVIDIA drivers from the NVIDIA website?
Do you have any crazy settings inside the actual Nvidia drivers control panel, like forcing..say...16xAF or something for all games that would cripple performance??
Hydro2Oxide
05-16-2009, 09:31 PM
Sounds like it's your processor that's feeling the hurt. It's a 65 dollar processor and it's intel. At 65$ an AMD processor is adequate but an intel one is going to be on the lower end.
darthbudge
05-16-2009, 11:04 PM
Sounds like it's your processor that's feeling the hurt. It's a 65 dollar processor and it's intel. At 65$ an AMD processor is adequate but an intel one is going to be on the lower end.
Fanboy-ism much?
But, yeah I think you are right.
I had the same problem with I have a P4 running at 3.6GHz. That paired with my old 7600GT ran games great, but when I got my new 4850, some games actually started performing worse.
Hydro2Oxide
05-16-2009, 11:20 PM
Fanboy-ism much?
I try to be as unbias as possible, I see where it came across as such but I honestly have no feelings towards one or the other. It's a simple fact that with AMD you usually get more bang for your buck but that they are usually one tech-step behind Intel.
Richard Longfellow
05-16-2009, 11:48 PM
Was there a big dropoff in GPU RAM between your old and new cards? If the CPU is having to do more work shuttling textures back and forth between the GPU and system RAM, then that could eat some FPS especially in online matches with a bunch of players. That's a reach, I guess. It's just hard to imagine that there's that much of a difference architecturally between the 9600 and 9800 to cause a 300% drop in performance.
Are your system RAM sticks matched up nicely?
neverletthem
05-17-2009, 12:25 AM
Was there a big dropoff in GPU RAM between your old and new cards? If the CPU is having to do more work shuttling textures back and forth between the GPU and system RAM, then that could eat some FPS especially in online matches with a bunch of players. That's a reach, I guess. It's just hard to imagine that there's that much of a difference architecturally between the 9600 and 9800 to cause a 300% drop in performance.
Are your system RAM sticks matched up nicely?
I believe the 9600 had 512 MB and my 9800 has a gig.
EDIT: Alright, so I'm going to guess that it's my CPU. Looking up on it, it seems rather easy to replace one. What are some good ones worth buying (My computer is a HP, so is it worth just replacing the CPU, or to buy a whole new case/mobo/and just use the parts from the HP to fill the gaps.?) in a mid level price range.
Hydro2Oxide
05-17-2009, 08:43 AM
Depends on your motherboard. We'd need to know that before suggesting CPU's.
Depends on your motherboard. We'd need to know that before suggesting CPU's.
You can tell just by the processer thats already in there its a LGA 775 socket.
If you want a fast easily overclockable core 2 duo not dual core get the e8400 which is 45nm runs cool as hell and is fast.
If you want a nice cheap quad core get the Q8200.
Personlly I say get the E8400 and thats what i have along with 4870x2 and its not bottlenecked at all.
mtxbass1
05-17-2009, 09:29 AM
You can tell just by the processer thats already in there its a LGA 775 socket.
If you want a fast easily overclockable core 2 duo not dual core get the e8400 which is 45nm runs cool as hell and is fast.
If you want a nice cheap quad core get the Q8200.
Personlly I say get the E8400 and thats what i have along with 4870x2 and its not bottlenecked at all.
Just because it's an LGA 775 doesn't mean that the OP is going to be able to just put either of those chips on his board. He stated he has an HP computer and it's very likely that it will not support something (especially a quad core) without a bios upgrade at a minimum.
OP, how hot does your 9800 get? I'm having a hard time believing it's your CPU here when you were getting nearly double the performance with a card that is several steps below a 9800.
neverletthem
05-17-2009, 12:02 PM
Depends on your motherboard. We'd need to know that before suggesting CPU's.
The board is a Foxconn MCP73M01H1, and according to HP it supports:
Intel Core 2 Duo (Wolfsdale core) E8xxx (65W)
Core 2 Duo E6xxx (Conroe core) up to E6850 (65W)
Pentium E2xxx series (Conroe core) with Dual Core technology up to E2160 (65W)
Core 2 Duo E4xxx (Conroe core) (65W)
Celeron 4xx series (Conroe core) up to Celeron 450 (35W)
Just because it's an LGA 775 doesn't mean that the OP is going to be able to just put either of those chips on his board. He stated he has an HP computer and it's very likely that it will not support something (especially a quad core) without a bios upgrade at a minimum.
OP, how hot does your 9800 get? I'm having a hard time believing it's your CPU here when you were getting nearly double the performance with a card that is several steps below a 9800.
It idles at 75C, which I though was hot, but I believe my 9600 idled around there before I played with the fan.
Richard Longfellow
05-18-2009, 07:24 PM
It idles at 75C, which I though was hot, but I believe my 9600 idled around there before I played with the fan.
75 is hot for idling. How hot under load? Is it fanless by chance? Theres no way an actively cooled card should idle that hot. How about a link to the card spec page?
neverletthem
05-18-2009, 08:23 PM
75 is hot for idling. How hot under load? Is it fanless by chance? Theres no way an actively cooled card should idle that hot. How about a link to the card spec page?
Under load it only gets up to 80, goes from 78 to 80 then back down and up. There is a fan, it's controlled by the cards BIOS. Link: http://www3.pny.com/9800-GT-512MB-PCIe-P2814C402.aspx The only difference between my card and this one is mine has a gig of ram, can't seem to find the 1GB model on the site, though these product numbers match up.
mtxbass1
05-18-2009, 08:55 PM
Yeah, your card should not be anywhere near 75C when idle. Is it cramped in the case?
Either way, your 9800 should be blowing your old 9600 out of the water.
neverletthem
05-18-2009, 09:03 PM
Yeah, your card should not be anywhere near 75C when idle. Is it cramped in the case?
Either way, your 9800 should be blowing your old 9600 out of the water.
It's got room around it, but not a lot. It was a tight squeeze, but it's in there, with a small amount of room, which is probably why it gets so hot.
dragonsho
05-18-2009, 10:58 PM
My friend was having a similar problem with overheating on his 9800. It was because when he plugged the 9800 in, he knocked out the front intake fan connections. Check to make sure everything is connected and that everything is seated properly.
Richard Longfellow
05-18-2009, 11:20 PM
Well if it's only hitting 80 under load then that's OK. I guess it has fan speed control.
This phrase is odd in the product description:"- As much as 30% less power consumption than the standard 9800 GT." is it some kind of low power/underclocked deal? Those clock speeds are lower than normal for a 9800 GT, although I doubt that explains the 3x drop in performance.
neverletthem
05-18-2009, 11:28 PM
Well if it's only hitting 80 under load then that's OK. I guess it has fan speed control.
This phrase is odd in the product description:"- As much as 30% less power consumption than the standard 9800 GT." is it some kind of low power/underclocked deal? Those clock speeds are lower than normal for a 9800 GT, although I doubt that explains the 3x drop in performance.
My clock speeds are a tad bit higher than that product, my core clock is (according to the box) 600 MHz. Nothing on the box shows it being advertised as low powered or underclocked, so I have no idea.
EDIT: Well, that's extremely odd. Looking at the product specs for my old card the core clock from my old card (http://www.bfgtech.com/bfgr96512gtoce.aspx) was set to 675 MHz. (It was a factory overclocked card, the site is saying a regular 9600 is clocked at 650 MHz.)
Gspoon
05-19-2009, 02:27 PM
neverletthem (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/member.php?u=99999)
First Check Nvidia (http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us) to get the latest drivers
Second what are you using to check your temps ?
I recommend Speed Fan (http://www.filehippo.com/download_speedfan/)
Third use EVGA Precision 1.7.1. (http://downloads.guru3d.com/EVGA-Precision-1.7.1_d2251.html) to set you fan speed (manually) then set a profile that loads @ boot. also dont worry about it being an EVGA app it works on any Nivida boards,
and make sure your case is clean!