DJ Hero Gameplay: What the HELL were they thinking?

[Nohbdy]

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/05/29/dj-hero-info-splosion-gameplay-footage-platforms-additional-i/

The fuck is this?

[evanft]

Way to make a worthwhile thread.

[Nohbdy]

Way to make a worthwhile thread.

Go be a White Knight Forum Thread Champion elsewhere.

[Monsta Mack]

What does everything have to be like Guitar Hero now? Bring back PaRappa or Gitaroo Man style games.

[Nohbdy]

What does everything have to be like Guitar Hero now? Bring back PaRappa or Gitaroo Man style games.

BUT THEY'RE NOT MAINSTREAM, GUY

THEY NEED AWESOME MASHUPS

BECAUSE JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON THE RADIO, IT INSTANTLY SUCKS

Amirite?

[lilboo]

..:-s

[sithmonkeyba]

I would think (as a fan of "techno" and "turntabalists") that with the technology they would be able to make a better game tha this; allowing more freedom to mix rather than regurgitate planned button executions.

[LinkinPrime]

EUPHORIA!!!!!

:lol:

They're making it out to be so stereotypical.

[lokizz]

i saw that last night on that vga dealy........dumbass shit. anyone who buys that should get bitchslapped. that said does anyone knwo the name of that game where the guy was using a cord or something to jump from place to place? its a sequel to a game that looks cool. that uncharted 2 mp video looked awesome too. thats going to set new standards for mp imo.

[Ecofreak]

Oh, I dunno...Everyone copies Konami who first invented the guitar game, why not copy their DJ game as well "Beatmania?"

They use the same controller set-up, although it sounds like the gameplay could actually involve mixing tracks. Not sure how that'd work in-game, so I'm holding my judgment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXrX5AOxDaU

[DarkNessBear]

I'm sure it is on Easy. But that is going insanely slow... and you don't seem to be contributing anything to the song, except for the occasional scratches. Hopefully they'll have it playable at E3.

[mtxbass1]

Wow. This game really does look like shit. That's a shame because I was half interested.

[Dead of Knight]

Wow. This game really does look like shit. That's a shame because I was half interested.

This except I was never interested. The video actually exceeded my expectations of what shit looks like.

[SoulReaver]

I'm sure it is on Easy. But that is going insanely slow... and you don't seem to be contributing anything to the song, except for the occasional scratches. Hopefully they'll have it playable at E3.
It says it is on medium (the video at the top of the page). This is pathetic...

[jkanownik]

IGN's Bozon had this to say on NeoGAF:

"None of these vids do the game justice. I wish the entire planet was there during the actual pre-E3 demo... after watching someone play on harder levels I'm totally convinced."

My impression of watching someone play on hard/expert was "holy shit that looks hard," but that was months ago so it could have changed since then. I'm reserving judgement until I get to play it. I initially scoffed at the idea of Guitar Hero and ended up falling in love with it.

[B:L]

I would think (as a fan of "techno" and "turntabalists") that with the technology they would be able to make a better game tha this; allowing more freedom to mix rather than regurgitate planned button executions.

If even fans of the genre are turning against it, what hope is there for the mainstream?

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8324/unceunceunce.png

[DarkNessBear]

IGN's Bozon had this to say on NeoGAF:

"None of these vids do the game justice. I wish the entire planet was there during the actual pre-E3 demo... after watching someone play on harder levels I'm totally convinced."

My impression of watching someone play on hard/expert was "holy shit that looks hard," but that was months ago so it could have changed since then. I'm reserving judgement until I get to play it. I initially scoffed at the idea of Guitar Hero and ended up falling in love with it.
Then why the hell do they allow for "medium" gameplay to be shown? Seems to ruin their point.

[BlueSwim]

I would think (as a fan of "techno" and "turntabalists") that with the technology they would be able to make a better game tha this; allowing more freedom to mix rather than regurgitate planned button executions.
Totally agree.

This was the perfect opportunity to break away from the linear, hit-the-colored-button-at-the-right-time gameplay of the Guitar Hero/Rock Band games and evolve the music genre with a freestyle, "make-it-your-own" type of gameplay. I'm not sure how the freestyle gameplay would have been implemented, but it probably would have been better than this Malibu Stacy with a new hat Guitar Hero knock-off.

Not that thrilled with the soundtrack, either. Less mash-ups, more trance.

It's really a shame this doesn't look that interesting because the vibe of the venue was really good. Oh well, there's always Scratch: Ultimate DJ...

[msdmoney]

I think it is pretty hard to judge an interactive game like Guitar Hero or DJ Hero by just seeing the screen, it seems like something you really do have to play to understand. I'll reserve final judgement until I acutally try it.

That said, the videos really do nothing to spark my interest. I was interested to see what they did with this game since I'm more of a hip hop fan than a rock music fan, but this wasn't really what I envisioned. I'm not a big fan of the SIMON gameplay, and it looks more geared to techno fans than hip hop fans.

[CoffeeEdge]

I'll stick with Beatmania IIDX, kthx.

And no serious turntable game will ever be as good as Sega's incredible and sadly arcade-only Crackin' DJ:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxi0uWmY0ME

[KingDox]

I really want this game to be good. And I gotta admit some of the artists revealed to me make me cringe, but I hope even the cheese tracks turn out catchy.

I did kinda like the sample drop of "The Zombies - Time Of The Season". I think I'm stealing that sample and using it from now on, its so good.

Also I think they are going to lean more towards the Hip Hop DJ, rather then the Trance, house, Techno DJ. But I hope they put out decent DLC that covers all types of Electronica. I know I would love some Breakbeat in there.

So far this is the only thing I care about at E3. My buddy is donig some on site support at E3 and I told him if he gets any where near a demo unit please tell me if it is any good.

[B:L]

I really want this game to be good.

I want this game to be absolutely shit, and sell likewise.

They deserve to be stomped into the mud for their delaying lawsuit on Scratch, purposefully engineered just so they can hit the market first.

fuck Activision.

[CoffeeEdge]

I want this game to be absolutely shit, and sell likewise.

They deserve to be stomped into the mud for their delaying lawsuit on Scratch, purposefully engineered just so they can hit the market first.

fuck Activision.

Activision is absolutely one of the most despicable publishers there is these days. I think that Activision is worse now, than EA was when they were at their worst in the early 2000s.

I never though I'd see the day when I actually totally respect EA, and utterly despise Activision.

[Nohbdy]

Less mash-ups, more trance.

Go play beatmania.

[BlueSwim]

Go play beatmania.
I should look into it more seriously.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXrX5AOxDaU
:shock:

Uh.....I think I'll take a pass....

:lol::lol::lol: WOW!....Just, WOW! That's freaking insane.

[CoffeeEdge]

Yup, that's typical Bemani. They're on an entire different scale of difficulty from Guitar Hero, Rock Band, or any other western music games.

[Furashu]

how the hell does that guy process that in the beatmania vid.. lol its going so fast!!!

[VioletArrows]

There is no life. There is only practice.

[imascrub]

I'll stick with Beatmania IIDX, kthx.

And no serious turntable game will ever be as good as Sega's incredible and sadly arcade-only Crackin' DJ:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxi0uWmY0ME

salaryman on FAI-YAH!

[Oktoberfest]

Yup, that's typical Bemani. They're on an entire different scale of difficulty from Guitar Hero, Rock Band, or any other western music games.

O2Jam is up there too :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNireE6SY2A

[Nohbdy]

:lol::lol::lol: WOW!....Just, WOW! That's freaking insane.

No, THIS is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emjhDywGXUs

Cleaner audio of same song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqkWIWbO14c

Konami does exploding rectangles and Harmonix and Activision can't even compare. How pathetic.

Amusing trivia: Mendes is the final final boss song for its respective mix. As of late, Konami's done "interactive" background videos. As you can see above, your performance is shooting down that huge mecha (complete with lifebar!). Those smaller ones flying around aren't your partners, they were also "boss" songs themselves...and THEY took up the whole screen. Compare it to what you're seeing right now!

[lokizz]

I want this game to be absolutely shit, and sell likewise.

They deserve to be stomped into the mud for their delaying lawsuit on Scratch, purposefully engineered just so they can hit the market first.

fuck Activision.


whats this about a lawsuit?

[B:L]

whats this about a lawsuit?

Actually, Activision was the one being sued, for trying to withhold code and resources in an attempt to delay their competitor's game release:

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=23205

And Activision lost:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/activision-must-return-scratch-dj-code

[CoffeeEdge]

No, THIS is:

Nope, THIS is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpDKvqI7ib8

;)

(Yeah, this one is a joke, but still. Keyboardmania FTW.)

[jkanownik]

Actually, Activision was the one being sued, for trying to withhold code and resources in an attempt to delay their competitor's game release:

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=23205

And Activision lost:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/activision-must-return-scratch-dj-code


The way you word that is extremely misleading. I'll bet you Genius Products never receives a punitive damages reward, which is what they would be entitled to if Activision knowingly tried to delay the release of Scratch. If you read through the details of the suits Scratch is a mess.
http://www.gamasutra.com/images/scratch-transcript-may-7th.pdf

I'm sure Activision would have preferred to wait until Scratch released to purchase 7 Studios, but 7 Studios was at risk of dissolving well before that happened (source (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=23348)). Note that 7 Studios has absolutely nothing to do with the development of DJ Hero. They're actually getting paid to sit at home right now so as to avoid even the appearance of impropriety (source (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=23595)).

[BustaUppa]

I'll agree that the vids look kinda uninspired, but I'll withhold judgment until we get some more details. Personally I'd rather just have a return to the track-hopping gameplay of Frequency/Amplitude. Apparently Rock Band on PSP is supposed to resemble those games somewhat?

[evanft]

Beatmania was kinda shitty.

[Nohbdy]

Beatmania was kinda shitty.

You want to elaborate on that?

[evanft]

The music and gameplay were pretty lame. The music especially. It just never felt right.

[KingDox]

http://e3.g4tv.com/videos/38690/Hands-On-DJ-Hero-Demo-At-E3-2009-/

how you play it. It kinda looks easy.

[DQT]

I want this game to be absolutely shit, and sell likewise.

They deserve to be stomped into the mud for their delaying lawsuit on Scratch, purposefully engineered just so they can hit the market first.

fuck Activision.

:applause: (without the smile)

[-Never4ever-]

I initially scoffed at the idea of Guitar Hero and ended up falling in love with it.

Me too.

I'm reserving judgment. At the very least, the mash ups have me interested, as I absolutely love them.

[KingDox]

Ok, scratch really looks like Beat Mania. I'm not sure that is any better then DJ Hero.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u20T75OFPoQ&eurl=http%3A%2F%2F

http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/04/scratch-the-ultimate-dj-hands-on/#comments

[CoffeeEdge]

Scratch looks terrible.

[Raconteur]

Looks silly, but it might turn out decent.

[B:L]

The way you word that is extremely misleading.

Is there anything misleading about Activision trying to delay/stop Brutal Legend with a lawsuit? :booty:


Scratch looks okay... from a 20 second youtube clip. It's probably better in action on a harder difficulty, but it definitely has better song selection.

[Riyonuk]

I'm glad developers are aiming at a genre that doesn't annoy me. I hate rock and roll.

[jkanownik]

Is there anything misleading about Activision trying to delay/stop Brutal Legend with a lawsuit? :booty:


It's funny you mention that. Read my response in the other thread smart ass.

Back to DJ Hero... by all accounts it made a lot of believers during E3. They were doing a stage show where they played 3 songs (one coop with a guitar) and walked through what all of the buttons on the controller do (crossfader, effects dial, green button for track one, red button for samples and blue button for track two). My wife actually liked it which really surprised me.

[BustaUppa]

Regardless of how good or bad the gameplay is, I think they're kinda pushing their luck with this peripheral. Plastic guitars were a hard sell at first, but they tapped into the whole rock-star fantasy which is a pretty accessible concept. "DJ culture" is more of a niche thing, and I doubt that simulated record scratching is gonna capture the public's imagination in the same way that the more visceral toy guitar/drums experience did.

[B:L]

It's funny you mention that. Read my response in the other thread smart ass.

Sure thing Josh. (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/josh-kanownik/7/ba6/44b)

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[jkanownik]

The price will be interesting. Gamestop and Amazon have the $120 price up but they didn't confirm that price at E3. They've only been telling press they're targeting a price in line with guitar hero guitar bundles.

[jkanownik]

Sure thing Josh. (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/josh-kanownik/7/ba6/44b)

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/495/awesomemed2normal.png

I didn't get invited to go the party Monday night with Jay-Z and Eminem, so I'm sure as hell not going to pimp their product for them.

I'm in this thread stricly as a CAG that loves music games. Note that I joined CAG before you junior.

[Nohbdy]

I'm glad developers are aiming at a genre that doesn't annoy me. I hate rock and roll.

Well, at least Konami makes the game around the instrument, not Genres.

[Zoglog]

I was skeptical at first thinking they were just gonna do a cheap rip of beatmania, but after watching it on stage @ E3 at activision's booth, it kind of makes me ashamed of Beatmania. I mean Konami's had years and years to try and innovate the beatmania franchise, and the only thing they did was add more songs every year and 2 more buttons from regular to IIDX. It's become quite similar to how Koei's handled the dynasty warriors franchise.

I enjoy IIDX a whole lot (hell I bought a DJ dao controller) but DJ hero looked damn refreshing in comparison. I'm actually impressed with the innovations and the play style is much closer to actual dj-ing. Plus DJ Shadow collaboration is win

[depascal22]

Regardless of how good or bad the gameplay is, I think they're kinda pushing their luck with this peripheral. Plastic guitars were a hard sell at first, but they tapped into the whole rock-star fantasy which is a pretty accessible concept. "DJ culture" is more of a niche thing, and I doubt that simulated record scratching is gonna capture the public's imagination in the same way that the more visceral toy guitar/drums experience did.

Everyone wants to be that dude in the booth getting the crowd shakin to Back That Azz Up. Oh, that was ten years ago? Damn I'm old.

It'll be cool if I get to make my own mixes but we'll see how it turns out. Thing is, you can buy software like this for the computer and mix your own stuff and it'll probably sound way better.

[Zoglog]

this is not about mix creating, it's just like any toy music game, it's about feeling like you're creating music without any of the skill required.

The whole "go do the real thing" argument is still stupid.

[depascal22]

I just said it would be cool. I realize this is a toy game but that doesn't mean I can't wish for something more comprehensive. If I could make a simple mix that didn't sound professional at all but got people in my house up and shaking, that would be awesome. I'm not asking to be a real DJ with this game but I'd like to be able to make a custom soundtrack.

[CoffeeEdge]

I just said it would be cool. I realize this is a toy game but that doesn't mean I can't wish for something more comprehensive. If I could make a simple mix that didn't sound professional at all but got people in my house up and shaking, that would be awesome. I'm not asking to be a real DJ with this game but I'd like to be able to make a custom soundtrack.

I'm really glad this won't allow for "more comprehensive" mix-making. Because the last thing we need now, is even more morons thinking that they're DJs. The generation of Guitar Hero "rock stars" is bad enough.

[depascal22]

So you're asking for them to give us less just so people won't act like they're DJs.....Kinda like asking the Call of Duty guys to take out grenades because it makes people act like they're soldiers.

[Zoglog]

Here's some footage I took @ the E3 demo.... made me kind of want it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phNgA1GYMFA

[TheSoundOfSeparation]

i dont quite understand how the heck youd play it but im glad they made it cuz now all the rap people will shut up about trying to get rap in guitar hero or rock band.

[Nohbdy]

Because rap music is still relevant.