PSP Go thread-

[paddlefoot]

This console reeks of Sony's desperation to salvage the PSP platform.

It's been 5 years since the PSP hit the market, and the best Sony could do is to add Bluetooth?

Why didn't they add RAM, update the awful web browser, archiac text input, or embarrasingly dated B wifi?




Shut up.




Yep.

And sadly, it has the same battery life :cry:

[Gothic Walrus]

Anyhow, I'm about ready to sit back and see what happens. I was predicting dismal sales but some of the Gamefaqs kids are really fucking excited about this so who knows?

GameFAQs doesn't count for anything. Feel free to ignore them. :lol:

the people that are talking stuff like its going to fail why the hell are you in this thread get a life because its not going to fail at all

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/7/30/nou128619151022807600.jpg

I do agree w/ that they just did a wrong instead off upgrading the late types of PSP's instead of changing its all features add/remove thats kinda epic phail, i just wished they just added new features on late PSP's or just arranged the placing of the controls.

That gets into the same problem Nintendo could have with the DS and DSi - unnecessary market segmentation. Of course, you could argue that Sony's already done that, since any UMDs that come out from now on are completely incompatible with part of their install base.

Given how lousy the economy is, I can understand why Sony isn't doing a full-fledged PSP2 right now. That doesn't justify the existence of the Go, however.

Engadget PSP go review:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/28/psp-go-review/

Sounds about right: they liked the hardware, but that was about it.

I'm still not wild about not having removable batteries, but that's something that's not unique to Sony, and something that won't change. I just miss the days of being able to swap out AAs to keep going.

[manthing]

And sadly, it has the same battery life :cry:

Without a user removeable battery!

:rofl:

[chakan]

I really can't see this thing being a success. I haven't had a need to upgrade since the PSP 1000 (which I still love) and this new one isn't changing my mind. Are people really going to spend $250 on it?
No, but I've decided to spend $175 in Amazon credit.

[Javery]

No, but I've decided to spend $175 in Amazon credit.

Amazon is selling it for $175?

[Gothic Walrus]

Amazon is selling it for $175?

Either that, or he's somehow figured out how to get a 30% discount on it. :-s

[mykevermin]

PSPlol.

[LinkinPrime]

Kotaku review:

http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/kotaku/full/~3/GKK442IN_rs/pspgo-review-a-peek-into-the-future-of-gaming

[Gothic Walrus]

Kotaku review:

http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/kotaku/full/~3/GKK442IN_rs/pspgo-review-a-peek-into-the-future-of-gaming

Kotaku's review is a lot more positive than I would have expected, and they seem to gloss over a lot of the downsides in favor of playing up its "feel" and "look." They also don't go into any of the potential downsides of the "pure digital" that Crecente seems to love so much.

Joystiq has their review up too (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/09/28/review-psp-go/)...

All things considered, PSP Go is living a dual life at launch. On one side, there's the inclination to want one at this very moment because it's new, superbly designed and oh-so-cool; on the other is the realization I came to after the initial wow factor wore off: What do I play on it, because it can't run any of my many UMD games.

It's the answer to that question -- "Buy your games again if you want to ditch your old PSP and play them on the Go" -- that makes it impossible to strongly recommend the PSP Go to a large slice of serious games. Sure, as Sony has pointed out, this is a new device that's in some ways aimed at a new audience that doesn't own a PSP already, but then it's also $250, and those people probably expect it to have a touchscreen and make phone calls at that price.

It all boils down to is this: PSP Go is a bad idea, but at least I can say it's a perfectly executed one. If you're someone who still plans to lay down the cash on day one knowing the downsides, you're going to like what it does right -- but you'll be paying $250 for form over function.

...and Gizmodo (another site in the Gawker network that owns Kotaku) has a less positive review (http://gizmodo.com/5367059/pspgo-review-psp-goes-nowhere-you-havent-been):

The PSPgo should have been the ZuneHD with games, a versatile media platformed with cutting edge hardware and eye-meltingly beautiful software. But instead, it's a slightly smaller PSP with a screen, storage capacity and software that's not all that competitive with other $250 devices today. If you see just the DSi as the PSP's competition, the Go's updates seem pretty substantial. But compared to the advancements in PMPs and smartphones as of late, it's just very difficult to sit in awe of the Go's inelegant hardware and clunky software.

Oh, and needless to say, there's still no second analog stick.

Four years later, my wife and I are closer than ever. But my beloved PSP sits on a shelf somewhere out of reach, a dusty artifact that I'll neither play nor throw away. The Go will not fare any better by being a little bit smaller or ditching pesky UMDs. PSP2, I'll be waiting for whenever you decide to show up and steal my heart again.

They said battery life at max brightness with wi-fi on is just short of five hours. I guess that isn't terrible, but it's definitely not impressive either.

Another interesting article: a PSP teardown that reveals some durability issues (http://gizmodo.com/5369397/pspgo-dissection-reveals-questionable-long+term-durability). A few points worth emphasizing:

The biggest news is that the Go's battery is tucked under a warranty-voiding sticker.

...

• No metal framework (the structural integrity relies on outer plastic shell)

You can't replace the battery without voiding the warranty, and the device is constructed in a way that's not going to hold up to wear and tear, especially with the sliding mechanism?

Good job, Sony. :roll:

[Ryuukishi]

I'm no fan of the Go, but all of the reviews griping about no touch screen and/or second analog stick are way off base. If websites like CNET don't understand the difference between a brand new platform and a redesign of an existing one, I wonder how much confusion there is among the general public.

[FroMann]

The PSP Go is a great piece of hardware, but the price of the portable is just too damn much. Unless you bought a bunch of PSP games on PSN. This would be a useless upgrade. I would love to have a PSP Go, but half of my PSP games are not on PSN yet and I would have to sell all 15 of my games at a quarter of the price of what they are on PSN then re-buy them. Not knowing whether Sony will keep these games on PSN for the next few generations or not.

Like everyone said. This is a test to see whether the next PSP should be all digital games or still use physical games.

[starmask2k3]

think DD is better and someone on gamestop Forums said they are going to offer a way to trade-in your UMDs For DD codes to download from the PSN

[Gothic Walrus]

I'm no fan of the Go, but all of the reviews griping about no touch screen and/or second analog stick are way off base. If websites like CNET don't understand the difference between a brand new platform and a redesign of an existing one, I wonder how much confusion there is among the general public.

The complaints about the touchscreen and second stick are stupid, but I think you're on to something. Trying to explain the system and how it's different from the older models to consumers will be difficult at best, and it isn't hard to imagine people picking the cheaper PSP that can do everything the PSPgo can, plus play UMDs. Right now, the extra $50 nets you a smaller device and...that's about it, really.

think DD is better and someone on gamestop Forums said they are going to offer a way to trade-in your UMDs For DD codes to download from the PSN

First, GameStop is a store (http://www.gamestop.com/). :-s

As for the second...that's just a rumor, and I sure hope that's not what you're basing your purchase off of. Since there's no trade-in program at launch, I doubt there's ever going to be one.

[Ryuukishi]

Trying to explain the system and how it's different from the older models to consumers will be difficult at best, and it isn't hard to imagine people picking the cheaper PSP that can do everything the PSPgo can, plus play UMDs.
The way Sony is playing up the online store and downloadable games in conjunction with the Go's launch, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people believe that it's a new feature unique to the Go. There is going to be a lot of buyer's remorse going around if and when these people find out that the $170 flavor (or maybe even the PSP that they already own) has the exact same online functionality.

[chakan]

Amazon is selling it for $175?
$75 trade-in promotion coupon from way back. I would not pay full price, and I'm keeping my 1000 in the bedroom/bathroom.

[Javery]

$75 trade-in promotion coupon from way back. I would not pay full price, and I'm keeping my 1000 in the bedroom/bathroom.

Ahhh... so they are selling it for $175 to you.

[LinkinPrime]

It's $180 at Dell, after coupon, and Bing cashback, Javeryh.

[chakan]

Since Scorch is reporting lots of PSN game codes at Gamecrazy, I'm hoping Amazon gets them as well so I can get the 10% ECA discount.

I pay utility bills with my Sony rewards card, which gets me about $10 in PSN monies every other month. Those two avenues are my cheapass strategies for the moment, shame about the UMD trade-in program, but oh well, I was done playing most of those anyway.

[Malik112099]

I'm no fan of the Go, but all of the reviews griping about no touch screen and/or second analog stick are way off base. If websites like CNET don't understand the difference between a brand new platform and a redesign of an existing one, I wonder how much confusion there is among the general public.

They just redesigned the PS3 and guess what? It does the same exact thing as the older PS3 just in a new redesigned package. See how that works? The PSP Go is a half ass attempt at a relaunch on a mobile platform without actually upgrading the platform. They seriously would have been better off with an all new PSP 2 or some sort of actual successor to the PSP. Websites like CNET understand this shit, thats why they are CNET and you are not.

[utopianmachine]

An article I received today from the ECA Today email. Personally, I won't be buying the PSP Go. I bought a PSP once, owned it for two months, then sold it. The library of games isn't even remotely close to the DS in terms of quantity. There are a few good games on the PSP, but there are easily 200+ great games on the DS.

International retail unimpressed with PSP Go price, margins



Internationally, retailers are either expressing doubt about the PSP Go or refusing to stock it entirely. Sony is having a better time in the United States, but the $250 system has many challenges for both retail and consumers. Ars explores the situation.



We're just days away from the launch of Sony's PSP Go, but retailers around the world are having a tough time justifying the sales of the machine. Nedgame, a gaming specialty store in Holland, won't be handling the PSP Go at all (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/biggest-dutch-retailer-boycotts-pspgo). Rumors have sprouted up about EBGames' refusal to stock the hardware (http://www.kotaku.com.au/2009/09/rumour-is-eb-refusing-to-stock-the-pspgo) in Australia, and there have been rumblings about Spanish retailers not stocking the system (http://www.eurogamer.es/articles/rumor-psp-go-puede-no-venderse-en-espana). Is this something we'll be seeing in the United States? Are retailers this gun-shy about the high price on an all-digital product?


"We can't speak to reports from other regions," Abby Reyes, senior public relations specialist for SCEA, told Ars. She assured us that the system has broad support in the US, and that retailers are excited about both the hardware and the PlayStation Network. "With the PSP Go, retailers will have the opportunity to sell the hardware, PlayStation Network cards, and a new peripheral line," she explained.


Sony's John Koller (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/06/ars-talks-digital-distribution-with-sony-plays-with-psp-go.ars) hinted that a high margin for retailers was built into the PSP Go's $250 price tag. "We've changed the model from a margin perspective from the 3000, so there are changes throughout. We've made it very worth [retailer's] while to carry the PSP Go." He further claimed that some retailers gave Sony a standing ovation when details of the retail planned were explained.
Shelf space, digital nature adds to challenge

We caught up with Hal Halpin, the president of the Entertainment Consumers Assocation to ask about the challenges the PSP Go will face. He wrote an opinion piece addressing this very problem (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/03/stocking-hardware-when-games-are-bought-online-why.ars)—albeit in a broader space—and in 1997 he founded the Interactive Entertainment Merchants Association. This is a man who knows a little something about the video games on store shelves.


His take on things: shelf space is tight. "We did see a broad increase in our share of the retail footprint at the beginning of the current hardware cycle, when three viable console systems, two popular handheld systems, and PC games all rationalized the dedication of more floor and shelf space," He told Ars. The job of the retailer is to maximize the amount of money they can make with that space, and with margins on hardware being historically tight and no money to be made on PSP Go games, the shelf space may not be well served by the hardware.


"The PSP Go is really a line extension item, not a replacement for the PSP, so it'll require more space. Add to that the complexities of retail sharing/not sharing in the subsequent digitally-distributed software sales and you can understand why retailers are taking a more objective look," he stated.
The US seems safe for Sony

Every major retailer contacted for this story said they would be stocking the system; it looks like the retail space is much friendlier towards Sony in the United States. Will retailers cool to the system once the flush from the unit's release has worn off? That's hard to tell.
At $250, the PSP Go is only $50 less expensive than the PS3, and any existing PSP customer with a roomy Pro Duo memory stick will be able to download games directly to their system, creating an all-digital platform with the system they already own, while keeping the ability to play UMD releases.


Sony has also backed off the idea of a trade-in or exchange program (http://kotaku.com/5367207/sony-nixes-plans-for-umd-conversion-program-for-pspgo) for consumers with a large collection of UMD games, making it a hard sell to get rid of your existing hardware to trade it up to a PSP Go. If the system isn't as big of a draw as Sony is hoping, retailers could easily give that shelf space to any number of other systems or accessories. In many ways the PSP Go is an innovative product, and being first to market with any idea is never easy.


The PSP Go will be available for $250 on October 1.


http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/09/international-retail-unimpressed-with-psp-go-price-margins.ars

[starmask2k3]

They just redesigned the PS3 and guess what? It does the same exact thing as the older PS3 just in a new redesigned package. See how that works? The PSP Go is a half ass attempt at a relaunch on a mobile platform without actually upgrading the platform. They seriously would have been better off with an all new PSP 2 or some sort of actual successor to the PSP. Websites like CNET understand this shit, thats why they are CNET and you are not.

PS3 Slim cant play PS2 Games and it only can do 1080p with a Sony 1080p HDTV

[Ryuukishi]

They just redesigned the PS3 and guess what? It does the same exact thing as the older PS3 just in a new redesigned package. See how that works?
Yes, I do... That's exactly why I said what I said. You didn't see reviewers knocking the Slim PS3 because it failed to improve games' graphics or add motion control or whatever. They seemed to understand that it was a redesign of existing hardware, not a new platform with new features and new games. Something that some people don't seem to get about the PSP Go.

[starmask2k3]

anyone see this

Sony's mysterious goodwill program for PlayStation Portable owners saddled with UMD collections will be rewarded, should they choose to upgrade to a PSPgo. In Europe, at least, Sony will be giving away three free games to new PSPgo investors.PSPgo buyers will be given three free games from a list of seventeen PlayStation Portable titles. That list is, as far as we can gather, comprised entirely of first-party Sony titles, including Killzone: Liberation, SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Fireteam Bravo 3, WipEout Pure, echochrome, LocoRoco, Patapon and more.The rewards system will run from October 1, 2009 to March 31, 2010 in European territories. And according to the release, will require PSPgo owners to register for their three free games by accessing the PlayStation Network with their older PSPs with a UMD in the drive.The PSPgo Rewards system sounds like a decent enough solution, should you have UMDs on hand and have a preference for the seventeen games offered by Sony. However, those will larger UMD libraries may see the offer differently.What do you think? Enough goodwill to get you to upgrade to the PSPgo?

[h3llbring3r]

anyone see this

Sony's mysterious goodwill program for PlayStation Portable owners saddled with UMD collections will be rewarded, should they choose to upgrade to a PSPgo. In Europe, at least, Sony will be giving away three free games to new PSPgo investors.PSPgo buyers will be given three free games from a list of seventeen PlayStation Portable titles. That list is, as far as we can gather, comprised entirely of first-party Sony titles, including Killzone: Liberation, SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Fireteam Bravo 3, WipEout Pure, echochrome, LocoRoco, Patapon and more.The rewards system will run from October 1, 2009 to March 31, 2010 in European territories. And according to the release, will require PSPgo owners to register for their three free games by accessing the PlayStation Network with their older PSPs with a UMD in the drive.The PSPgo Rewards system sounds like a decent enough solution, should you have UMDs on hand and have a preference for the seventeen games offered by Sony. However, those will larger UMD libraries may see the offer differently.What do you think? Enough goodwill to get you to upgrade to the PSPgo?

Couple of days ago yea. It's one of the reasons we were so pissed.

[Malik112099]

PS3 Slim cant play PS2 Games and it only can do 1080p with a Sony 1080p HDTV

My 40gb fat cant play PS2 games either. So, the PS3 slim knows what kind of TV it is hooked up too? Are you retarded?



Yes, I do... That's exactly why I said what I said. You didn't see reviewers knocking the Slim PS3 because it failed to improve games' graphics or add motion control or whatever. They seemed to understand that it was a redesign of existing hardware, not a new platform with new features and new games. Something that some people don't seem to get about the PSP Go.

Last time I checked you could still use physical media on the PS3 Slim unlike the PSP Go. Your point is horribly flawed.

[h3llbring3r]

My 40gb fat cant play PS2 games either. So, the PS3 slim knows what kind of TV it is hooked up too? Are you retarded?

He's talking about the PS3 slim lacking the hardware HDCP decoders, and some older 1080p TVs and non-Sony 1080p TVs apparently wont display the signal in 1080p from a slim. The HDMI's HDCP handshake fails on them apparently- I am not that familiar with it, but it is making me reluctant to sell my 60 and get a slim until there is a works/wont work list for the slim- since it is my only :br: for the playroom.

Not the best analogy.

[RelentlessRolento]

I do hope Oct1 is a good day.

[Chuplayer]

PS3 Slim... only can do 1080p with a Sony 1080p HDTV

Whoa, whoa, whoa, what?

[h3llbring3r]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, what?
Reports are spotty, claims are unverified- it's on a rumor level with me:
Example (http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&thread.id=4061971&view=by_date_ascending&page=1) from the playstation.com forums.

Nothing to freak out over, for all I know it only affects one type of TV.

[paddlefoot]

He's talking about the PS3 slim lacking the hardware HDCP decoders, and some older 1080p TVs and non-Sony 1080p TVs apparently wont display the signal in 1080p from a slim. The HDMI's HDCP handshake fails on them apparently- I am not that familiar with it, but it is making me reluctant to sell my 60 and get a slim until there is a works/wont work list for the slim- since it is my only :br: for the playroom.

Not the best analogy.

HDCP handshake is something you would think a firmware update would solve.

[h3llbring3r]

HDCP handshake is something you would think a firmware update would solve.

Well that depends if hardware HDCP can be fully emulated with software- which would make it much more easily defeatable by device hacking. This isn't really the thread for this- and for all I know the whole issue is a contrivance.

[SEH]

My PS3 Slim does 1080p just fine on my Samsung DLP.

[h3llbring3r]

My PS3 Slim does 1080p just fine on my Samsung DLP.
(Thanks starmask, derailed)
PS3 thread is that way=>

[SEH]

(Thanks starmask, derailed)
PS3 thread is that way=>

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. I just figured I'd chime in since it was briefly being talked about. Carry on with the PSP Go! talk.

[RelentlessRolento]

good news?!

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-12218-Providence-Video-Game-Examiner~y2009m9d28-Free-GT-PSP-to-PSPGo-buyers

[Gothic Walrus]

good news?!

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-12218-Providence-Video-Game-Examiner~y2009m9d28-Free-GT-PSP-to-PSPGo-buyers

Well, that's...something. I'm not a fan of the Gran Turismo series (consistently losing matches by .001 seconds in the PS2 game soured me on the series quickly), but it's better than nothing.

It'd be nice if we had more details, though - the post doesn't mention if it's just GameStop, and there's no way to verify that his sources are correct. Hell, they're GameStop managers, and we all know how many times we've been lied to by GameStop employees. :lol:

Right now, I'm going to consider this a rumor until there's more verification.

[Halo05]

That would be a wise move by Sony although I wish we were getting the black PSP 3000 GT bundle that Europe (I think) is getting. The US' PSP 3000 bundle comes with the same silver PSP I've been rocking since like 2007 (colorwise).

[Ryuukishi]

Last time I checked you could still use physical media on the PS3 Slim unlike the PSP Go. Your point is horribly flawed.
What? Seriously, I don't understand at all what you mean by this.

[DQT]

I can buy Frisky Tanuki's point about this being a show of commitment to retailers, actually, and it is definitely a plus that no matter what, all users get access to a ton of new content at the Go's launch. What I don't get is the use of Sony's use of another proprietary media for memory expansion.

[LinkinPrime]

good news?!

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-12218-Providence-Video-Game-Examiner~y2009m9d28-Free-GT-PSP-to-PSPGo-buyers (http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-12218-Providence-Video-Game-Examiner%7Ey2009m9d28-Free-GT-PSP-to-PSPGo-buyers)

Ugh...I'm not a fan or the driving sim genre. Guess if I do get a voucher, I can sell it on eBay or trade it here, though they only specify GameStop at the moment.

[whoknows]

This picture from the engadget review makes me really want it. It just looks so nice in comparison.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/09/psp-go-stacked-on-psp-2000-rm-eng-2.jpg

[Malik112099]

What? Seriously, I don't understand at all what you mean by this.


They are arguing their point based on a redesign and using the PS3 Slim as an example. The problem is that the PSP Go removes the use of physical media (UMDs) while the PS3 Slim still uses BR disks (just like the fat PS3s). the PS3 Slim is a redesign while the PSP Go is a shiny cluster fuck that is still going to be purchased by people who know better.


Also, I thought the PSp Go was always going to come with GT? Maybe I am thinking of the PSP 3000? Either way the Go should at the VERY LEAST come with a newer game.

[blackjaw]

This picture from the engadget review makes me really want it. It just looks so nice in comparison.


I saw that picture as well and am seriously contemplating purchasing. I travel a lot and the size as well as not having to carry UMD's (of which I only own two right now) will be of great help.

[Chibi_Kaji]

Also, I thought the PSp Go was always going to come with GT? Maybe I am thinking of the PSP 3000? Either way the Go should at the VERY LEAST come with a newer game.
Europe is getting GT with the PSPGo(or some sort of bundle). But the US is getting a GT PSP3000 bundle...

[mykevermin]

Don't Go buyers get that bullshit version of Rock Band? With like 3 songs, but you can buy the DLC?

[Chibi_Kaji]

Yeah, I forgot all about that.

[mykevermin]

"Free profit-enabled demo included!"

[h3llbring3r]

"Free profit-enabled demo included!"

:lol:

[Chibi_Kaji]

Sony went all out to stop people from removing the battery (http://www.destructoid.com/pspgo-dismemberment-reveals-battery-placement-chicanery-150355.phtml).

[vherub]

saw an ad on mnf, it was wacky, but at the end, when the girl is stepping over passed out bodies and walks to the balcony-
the guy is watching a wolverine, but it is daylight.

Is the pspgo screen going to be fully visible, even outside in broad daylight?

[h3llbring3r]

Sony went all out to stop people from removing the battery (http://www.destructoid.com/pspgo-dismemberment-reveals-battery-placement-chicanery-150355.phtml).
I imagine the sticker vs solder decision has to do with rapid mail-in serviceability. So IMHO Sony not going all out to thwart battery access may benefit those consumers that don't take care to condition their battery.


Perhaps a more significant issue (for me anyways) in that article is the potential for the PSPgo's "boneitis." Which may prove an even greater concern, since I've read tons of post about people who want to pocket carry this thing.


In other news, the PSPgo has no metal framework whatsoever, meaning that its entire structural integrity is provided by a thin plastic shell. The original PSP never exactly felt durable, but you can expect this one to require as much care as a baby with brittle bone disease. One wonders how much this $250 device actually costs to make.

A slider that lacks a durable frame would concern me greatly if intended for pocket carrying. It gives me serious HTC flashbacks. *shudders*

[LinkinPrime]

Is the pspgo screen going to be fully visible, even outside in broad daylight?

That's a no, from what most reviewers are indicating.

[mykevermin]

Hacked by Friday, I'm betting.

[paddlefoot]

I imagine the sticker vs solder decision has to do with rapid mail-in serviceability. So IMHO Sony not going all out to thwart battery access may benefit those consumers that don't take care to condition their battery.


Perhaps a more significant issue (for me anyways) in that article is the potential for the PSPgo's "boneitis." Which may prove an even greater concern, since I've read tons of post about people who want to pocket carry this thing.




A slider that lacks a durable frame would concern me greatly if intended for pocket carrying. It gives me serious HTC flashbacks. *shudders*

Damn, I am trying to talk myself into one when the eventual awesome sale happens (crossing fingers). Haven't owned a PSP in about a year and would get several games. The reports just keep getting worse. I was hoping this thing was made with durability in mind.

[LinkinPrime]

Damn, I am trying to talk myself into one when the eventual awesome sale happens (crossing fingers). Haven't owned a PSP in about a year and would get several games. The reports just keep getting worse. I was hoping this thing was made with durability in mind.

The "awesome sale" is on now, you can get it at Dell for $180 (or less) after Bing Cashback:

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237641

[Gothic Walrus]

You know, the Game Boy Micro ended up in Big Lots eventually. I wonder if that's where they'll dump the PSPgo if it doesn't sell? :-k

Don't Go buyers get that bullshit version of Rock Band? With like 3 songs, but you can buy the DLC?

Great - the "Pain" model. :roll:

The "awesome sale" is on now, you can get it at Dell for $180 (or less) after Bing Cashback:

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237641

And yet, you can get a PSP 3000 for $10 less than that. Retail, without discounts, and with a UMD drive. :D

I'm still struggling to find positive reviews of the PSPgo. Other than Kotaku's overly positive review, the reviews have had, at best, muted praise. IGN's review is here (http://gear.ign.com/articles/102/1028741p1.html) and Wired's review is here (http://www.wired.com/reviews/product/pr_pspgo).

One thing that I thought was interesting in the IGN review:
There is no question, the PSPgo is by far the most visually appealing PSP yet. With a 56% smaller design than the original PSP and a sleek slide-out screen, the PSPgo is quite alluring at first glance. However, upon further inspection and use, the imperfections of the system's design begin to become apparent. For anyone who has owned or used the previous PSPs, the PSPgo's compact design is a bit of a tactile shock. The PSPgo takes over an inch and a half off of the width of the PSP-3000, and trims a few extra millimeters off of the height and depth. The width reduction ultimately has little effect on user experience in terms of ergonomics, instead, problems arise when the thickness of the unit is split in half when the collapsible screen is extended. When the screen is in the open position, the amount of grippable real estate is reduced to a little over a quarter of an inch, giving users very little to wrap their hands around. To offset the thin, flat lower half of the PSPgo, Sony incorporated thin, low-profile rubberized grips on the rear panel, but they offer little help to the average user, whose fingers will likely extend far beyond them.

It sounds like the sliding part of the system is so thin that it's awkward to hold on to - again, a problem Nintendo hit with the Game Boy Micro. For anyone who's prone to getting cramps from controllers and handhelds that are too small, this could be a big issue.

[Halo05]

You know, the Game Boy Micro ended up in Big Lots eventually. I wonder if that's where they'll dump the PSPgo if it doesn't sell? :-k


Hopefully Big Lots again at ~100. I'd love to have a second PSP that I could use exclusively as a handheld, Japanese PSN store, PSOne system. I'm sick of the reauthorization shuffle and at the moment, only have US PSN store stuff on my PSP 3000.

[paddlefoot]

http://gizmodo.com/5369397/pspgo-dissection-reveals-questionable-long+term-durability

Gizmondo article questing durability.

I really want one and would probably get Persona and Final Fantasy VII.

Really love the smaller form factor, then reality kicks in and I'm spending almost twice the cost of a PSP-2000 and Persona is at full MSRP in the PS store.

Time to get a PSP-2000. Anyone know where they are relatively cheap? Then again, I don't plan on homebrew or anything, so would a 3000 be basically the same?

[starmask2k3]

Quote:Originally Posted by LinkinPrime
The "awesome sale" is on now, you can get it at Dell for $180 (or less) after Bing Cashback:http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/...d.php?t=237641

Quote:Originally Posted by Gothic Walrus
And yet, you can get a PSP 3000 for $10 less than that. Retail, without discounts, and with a UMD drive.

but for 70$ more you get 16 GB HDD and blue-tooth and smaller design

[Chibi_Kaji]

but for 70$ more you get 16 GB HDD and blue-tooth and smaller design
But you could also use that $70 to go buy memory stick and some cheap games.

[paddlefoot]

Quote:Originally Posted by LinkinPrime
The "awesome sale" is on now, you can get it at Dell for $180 (or less) after Bing Cashback:http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/...d.php?t=237641

Quote:Originally Posted by Gothic Walrus
And yet, you can get a PSP 3000 for $10 less than that. Retail, without discounts, and with a UMD drive.

but for 70$ more you get 16 GB HDD and blue-tooth and smaller design

I would pay another $70 for a UMD transfer drive.

Case in point. I had Persona in my gold box yesterday for $35.50~, with ECA it's around $32, comes with a case, manual, etc. On the Playstation store it is at $40 or full retail. This is a brand new game. Imagine the price discrepancies on games several months old.

[mykevermin]

Of all my consoles, I prefer my PS3 significantly more than I do my 360 or Wii. That's been the case as long as I've owned them. So I'm not some anti-sony reactionary (though that seems to be moot, as fewer of them exist thanks to a $300 PS3 pricepoint).

But let's be completely honest with ourselves: everything about the PSP Go is fuckin' ridiculous.

EDIT: to emphasize paddlefoot's point, I can go to Amazon and purchase Power Stone Collection on UMD disc for $12.74. Which would be $11.47 shipped after ECA discount. And I could resell it if I wanted to. OR I could pay $20 (plus taxes!) for a non-resellable, non-sharable digital copy from the PS Store.

In sum, how fuckin' stupid do you have to be to give up UMD for size? I can be the knucklehead who buys the $20+ DD version on my old PSP, but I give up the opportunity to buy the $11.47 version if I spend more money on a new system.

You buy a PSP Go, you deserve to be slapped in the face. I came to this conclusion long before moderator LinkinPrime bought one, for the record.

[manthing]

In sum, how fuckin' stupid do you have to be to give up UMD for size? I can be the knucklehead who buys the $20+ DD version on my old PSP, but I give up the opportunity to buy the $11.47 version if I spend more money on a new system.

This (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/member.php?u=10036) stupid (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/search.php?searchid=3305773) apparently.

(Here's my favorite (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=206565))

Also take note of my sig.


You buy a PSP Go, you deserve to be slapped in the face. I came to this conclusion long before moderator LinkinPrime bought one, for the record.

To be fair, that asshat was interested simply because it could fit in his pocket.

[mykevermin]

Hey now, don't be dissing a good solid freeloadin' couchsurfer. I swear by it. Though to be fair I know enough people in enough places that it's never with strangers, so yeah, I suppose "hey internets, can I sleep over tonight?" is a rather peculiar approach.

Don't get me wrong - the PSP Go is attractive and I dig the design, but the limitations it has (i.e. the old PSP has much more functionality than the Go, is far, far cheaper, and only lacks bluetooth) are fucking absurd. Particularly when considered in the context of both the initial price of the console as well as the forward-looking higher price structure you force yourself into by going digital only.

But you already knew that.

[CrimsonPaw]

Of all my consoles, I prefer my PS3 significantly more than I do my 360 or Wii. That's been the case as long as I've owned them. So I'm not some anti-sony reactionary (though that seems to be moot, as fewer of them exist thanks to a $300 PS3 pricepoint).

But let's be completely honest with ourselves: everything about the PSP Go is fuckin' ridiculous.

EDIT: to emphasize paddlefoot's point, I can go to Amazon and purchase Power Stone Collection on UMD disc for $12.74. Which would be $11.47 shipped after ECA discount. And I could resell it if I wanted to. OR I could pay $20 (plus taxes!) for a non-resellable, non-sharable digital copy from the PS Store.

In sum, how fuckin' stupid do you have to be to give up UMD for size? I can be the knucklehead who buys the $20+ DD version on my old PSP, but I give up the opportunity to buy the $11.47 version if I spend more money on a new system.

You buy a PSP Go, you deserve to be slapped in the face. I came to this conclusion long before moderator LinkinPrime bought one, for the record.
Not to mention that realistically 16GB of memory is not that much. FF VII takes over 1GB, GT takes over 1GB; granted I'm sure some of the smaller games (Loco Roco, Patapon) have smaller footprints, but what do we expect the big players to come in at? We have LBP, MotorStorm, Assassin's Creed, MGS: Peace Walker ... all will take up space (not to mention the PSP minis or any music/videos you plan on adding). So when that 16GB fills up, people will need to start pulling the shuffle game of moving stuff around.

I know there's an expansion slot, but I find it ironic that you may eventually find yourself having to spend MORE money so that you can take all your games with you (keep in mind, this is not a standard MSPro-Duo either) ... for me, I just throw my games in my hand-held bag and call it a day. So far, my 2GB stick has done me well, but FF VII is pushing the limits. I really think this thing has FAIL written all over it right now.

[starmask2k3]

u dont have to worry about PS1 Games Because you can remote play them and music and video and pics too

[FriskyTanuki]

To be fair, that asshat was interested simply because it could fit in his pocket.
Correction: He wanted a new media player.

[h3llbring3r]

Those curious about non-used retail store support-
Page 75 of Best Buy's newest "First Glimpse" magazine lists this regarding the go in the comparison guide:
Games are available via POSA [Point Of Sale Activation]
cards in-store or downloads from the PlayStation store.This does set up for the potential of discounted new game sales outside of PSN @ BBy (I believe GS was already mentioned); however, since they are POSA it's not like they will ever be clearance priced.
It, of course, doesn't address the consumers ability to resell their own media but hey- a bone is a bone even if thrown.

[manthing]

u dont have to worry about PS1 Games Because you can remote play them and music and video and pics too


Only if you have a WiFi connection available. Not everybody has access to them at all times.

Correction: He wanted a new media player.

That fit in his pocket. You only get half-credit for your correction.


_____________________________

h3ll:

I have purchased POSA cards from Target on clearance.

I guess GO owners who don't want to pay to be raped by DD could look forward to those rare, infrequent events?

:lol:

[Gothic Walrus]

but for 70$ more you get 16 GB HDD and blue-tooth and smaller design

Memory is cheap, and for $70 I'm willing to give up the Bluetooth and smaller form factor.

Case in point. I had Persona in my gold box yesterday for $35.50~, with ECA it's around $32, comes with a case, manual, etc. On the Playstation store it is at $40 or full retail. This is a brand new game. Imagine the price discrepancies on games several months old.

EDIT: to emphasize paddlefoot's point, I can go to Amazon and purchase Power Stone Collection on UMD disc for $12.74. Which would be $11.47 shipped after ECA discount. And I could resell it if I wanted to. OR I could pay $20 (plus taxes!) for a non-resellable, non-sharable digital copy from the PS Store..

So we're already up to two games that cost about $10 more on PSN. We can't say that every game is going to cost that much more, but it's not a promising start.

Not to mention that realistically 16GB of memory is not that much. FF VII takes over 1GB, GT takes over 1GB; granted I'm sure some of the smaller games (Loco Roco, Patapon) have smaller footprints, but what do we expect the big players to come in at? We have LBP, MotorStorm, Assassin's Creed, MGS: Peace Walker ... all will take up space (not to mention the PSP minis or any music/videos you plan on adding). So when that 16GB fills up, people will need to start pulling the shuffle game of moving stuff around.

I know there's an expansion slot, but I find it ironic that you may eventually find yourself having to spend MORE money so that you can take all your games with you (keep in mind, this is not a standard MSPro-Duo either) ... for me, I just throw my games in my hand-held bag and call it a day. So far, my 2GB stick has done me well, but FF VII is pushing the limits. I really think this thing has FAIL written all over it right now.

This is a very real issue, and one I'm a little surprised I haven't seen more people complain about. People whine about storage on the Wii and older 360s all the time, but I haven't seen nearly as many complaints about storage for the Go.

And if history is any indication, Sony's proprietary storage formats usually cost significantly more to buy.

u dont have to worry about PS1 Games Because you can remote play them and music and video and pics too

...Assuming you have a PS3 and a wi-fi connection, sure. Not everybody will, though. I'm interested (or rather, was interested) in the Go and the only Sony console I've got in my house right now is a broken PS2.

That's not a solution for most people.

h3ll:

I have purchased POSA cards from Target on clearance.

I guess GO owners who don't want to pay to be raped by DD could look forward to those rare, infrequent events?

:lol:

Pretty much. Given how big of a deal sales on point cards and Live subscriptions are, though, you'd have to wait and be lucky enough to get there first.

Right now, the best bet would be hoping that Amazon offers the cards, or that they offer the games in their own store like they do for the 360.

[mykevermin]

^ I already looked into whether or not the flash memory for the PSP Go is more expensive than Memory Pro Duo. 16GB card for PSP Go on Amazon is $64, 16GB Memory Card Pro Duo on Amazon is $67. Based on that quick anlalysis, they're pretty comparable, I'd say. One issue the PSP Go does not miraculously suffer from.

[Gothic Walrus]

^ I already looked into whether or not the flash memory for the PSP Go is more expensive than Memory Pro Duo. 16GB card for PSP Go on Amazon is $64, 16GB Memory Card Pro Duo on Amazon is $67. Based on that quick anlalysis, they're pretty comparable, I'd say. One issue the PSP Go does not miraculously suffer from.

I actually meant more expensive than other flash memory. Sony's formats have always carried a premium; for comparison, you can get a 16GB Secure Digital card for around $30 (http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Class-Memory-SD4-16GB/dp/B0013AV9TW/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1254331235&sr=8-5), or the same size in Compact Flash (http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-CompactFlash-Memory-CF-16GB-S2/dp/B000Y16TY6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1254331290&sr=8-1) or Micro SD (http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-SDSDQ-016G-A11M-Sandisk-16GB-Microsd/dp/B001F6YRNO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1254331264&sr=8-1) formats for $40.

Still, it's good to know that Sony's not gouging compared to their own prices - just everyone else's. :lol:

[mykevermin]

:lol: touche.

[h3llbring3r]

h3ll:

I have purchased POSA cards from Target on clearance.

I guess GO owners who don't want to pay to be raped by DD could look forward to those rare, infrequent events?

:lol:
Indeed, I am quite jealous of your MS points purchase.:bomb:

I finally found some of those but they had taken those out of the system by that time. However, IDK of anytime PSN POSA cards have been on clearance.

[chakan]

I look forward to my slap in the face from mykevermin!

As one of the few asshats brave enough to admit to picking up a Go at launch, even I am disappointed at Sony's choices. I agree with 90% of the failings that have been pointed out in this topic. You will not hear me defending Sony at all, especially in regards to NO UMD trade-in program.

I'm getting one for four reasons, despite all its shortcomings. 1. The pocket factor. I play my 1000 PSP at home, or sometimes on plane trips. It has never been practical to bring with me. 2. Multiple games in the unit. Yes, I know my old PSP could do this...but I don't want it to...for um, certain reasons 3. Its "free"Amazon had a pretty good coupon, and I cleared out a lot of my unplayed backlog and a bunch of $5 HWV games I didn't like, so the system feels "free" to me. 4. The Go looks sexy. Dumb, I know. But I'm being honest.

I really hope the system isn't as flimsy as some reviews paint it. I assume the older models have metal frames? (never taken mine apart)

[CrimsonPaw]

I look forward to my slap in the face from mykevermin!

As one of the few asshats brave enough to admit to picking up a Go at launch, even I am disappointed at Sony's choices. I agree with 90% of the failings that have been pointed out in this topic. You will not hear me defending Sony at all, especially in regards to NO UMD trade-in program.

I'm getting one for four reasons, despite all its shortcomings. 1. The pocket factor. I play my 1000 PSP at home, or sometimes on plane trips. It has never been practical to bring with me. 2. Multiple games in the unit. Yes, I know my old PSP could do this...but I don't want it to...for um, certain reasons 3. Its "free"Amazon had a pretty good coupon, and I cleared out a lot of my unplayed backlog and a bunch of $5 HWV games I didn't like, so the system feels "free" to me. 4. The Go looks sexy. Dumb, I know. But I'm being honest.

I really hope the system isn't as flimsy as some reviews paint it. I assume the older models have metal frames? (never taken mine apart)
IMO you don't deserve to be smacked in the face for your decision to buy a go. Hell, I see it as you're justified simply because you're getting the unit for $0 out of pocket. I think the crux of people's argument is that there is no real value-add for a new system. It has TONS of limitations while at the same time will cost the consumer another $70 to have a smaller form factor and blue-tooth.

As for the pricing of the new mem sticks, it's good to know that they are comparably priced; then again if you fill up the 16GB on the Go you have no choice but to either remove something or purchase more memory.

[Reichan]

Anyone has the right to buy the GO why do you deserve a slap, though its just our opinions that PSP go is kinda boring and kinda OP no UMD's will be an epic phail, and gonna cost you a lot for new games.

[starmask2k3]

i got a Q? to all that dont like it

if this was the first PSP to come out would everyone be mad about it coming out or not like it

[manthing]

i got a Q? to all that dont like it

if this was the first PSP to come out would everyone be mad about it coming out or not like it

Yes, I would still be against a machine that delivers gaming content completely via Digital Distribution.

[aihuman]

A rumor is going around that Sony is planning to release a PSP Go with UMD drive.Again,RUMOR.

[slidecage]

A rumor is going around that Sony is planning to release a PSP Go with UMD drive.Again,RUMOR.

never happen...

[chakan]

A rumor is going around that Sony is planning to release a PSP Go that wakes you up with pancakes and a blowjob. Again,RUMOR.

[Gothic Walrus]

A rumor is going around that Sony is planning to release a PSP Go with UMD drive.Again,RUMOR.

So...the PSP 3000? :-s

A rumor is going around that Sony is planning to release a PSP Go that wakes you up with pancakes and a blowjob. Again,RUMOR.

Pancakestation Portable... :drool:

[h3llbring3r]

A rumor is going around that Sony is planning to release a PSP Go that wakes you up with pancakes and a blowjob. Again,RUMOR.
Yea, but it's made by PSPgo team so it only makes rhubarb pancakes, doesn't swallow and has a mustache.

[mykevermin]

i got a Q? to all that dont like it

if this was the first PSP to come out would everyone be mad about it coming out or not like it

I suppose I'd be in favor of it to a degree. After all, the original PSP launched for $250 in two thousand and fucking five. So the PSP Go is at parity with that launch price.

But answering the question is silly. Are we talking about it launching now at $250 as is, or 2005? We can't ignore what happened from 2005-2009 and answer it honestly.

Would you, by comparison, buy a $175 PS2 that doesn't play discs and offers $25-40 PS2 titles for download?

[starmask2k3]

So...the PSP 3000? :-s



Pancakestation Portable... :drool:

i think that's called holiday inn

[starmask2k3]

I suppose I'd be in favor of it to a degree. After all, the original PSP launched for $250 in two thousand and fucking five. So the PSP Go is at parity with that launch price.

But answering the question is silly. Are we talking about it launching now at $250 as is, or 2005? We can't ignore what happened from 2005-2009 and answer it honestly.

Would you, by comparison, buy a $175 PS2 that doesn't play discs and offers $25-40 PS2 titles for download?
if this was the day PSP

[Tux.Bobble]

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/09/psp-firmware-update-v6-10/
Confirmed bluetooth tethering for internet anywhere you have an internet-enabled device.

I don't have internet on my phone right now--just got out of college and am starting my first job now...but next time my phone contract is up I'll have to make a serious consideration, depending on how much I start playing this PSP online...lol.

[Tux.Bobble]

I look forward to my slap in the face from mykevermin!

As one of the few asshats brave enough to admit to picking up a Go at launch, even I am disappointed at Sony's choices. I agree with 90% of the failings that have been pointed out in this topic. You will not hear me defending Sony at all, especially in regards to NO UMD trade-in program.

I'm getting one for four reasons, despite all its shortcomings. 1. The pocket factor. I play my 1000 PSP at home, or sometimes on plane trips. It has never been practical to bring with me. 2. Multiple games in the unit. Yes, I know my old PSP could do this...but I don't want it to...for um, certain reasons 3. Its "free"Amazon had a pretty good coupon, and I cleared out a lot of my unplayed backlog and a bunch of $5 HWV games I didn't like, so the system feels "free" to me. 4. The Go looks sexy. Dumb, I know. But I'm being honest.

I really hope the system isn't as flimsy as some reviews paint it. I assume the older models have metal frames? (never taken mine apart)

You're perfectly justified btw. #1 is the reason I don't CURRENTLY own a PSP. I'd never buy a portable console that's so large--it just doesn't make sense to me. #2...well, it kinda goes hand in hand with #1...it just increases the portability of the thing by not worrying about UMDs. And not worrying about swapping discs/memory cards is nice, too--16GB is plenty for most occasions if you don't load it like crazy with media. Heck my entire MP3 collection doesn't reach more than 9GB...though...all my MP3s are LEGAL...guess that could be a problem for some. #3 I also got that Amazon deal. It's more like $94 out of pocket for me, but still, little more than half the price of a 3000 which I'm not interested in at all...not bad. #4...well, that's just a perk--I wouldn't put it as a reason to buy it, but it definitely has a nice look to it...

I've heard mixed things about how it feels. My impression based on the MANY impressions I've read in preparation for tomorrow, is that people either think it's too light/small, or it's well-balanced. The actual weight difference isn't that huge, which is why it sounds to me like some like the balance and others do not. I'm not TOO worried about the plastic framework, because well...I don't plan to drop something like this, even if it's "only" $94. And honestly, if you take care of it well, a sturdy plastic shouldn't be a problem. Almost everyone I've read reviews from said the actual sliding mechanism felt pretty solid, if not great.

So I'd say you're justified, especially on #1 and #3, in my opinion. Again, really the reasons I got the PSP Go despite not owning a PSP prior...

[paddlefoot]

Yea, but it's made by PSPgo team so it only makes rhubarb pancakes, doesn't swallow and has a mustache.

Never quite understood the whole swallow dilemma. They worked for it. Let them dispose of it however they choose.

[Gothic Walrus]

Yes, I would still be against a machine that delivers gaming content completely via Digital Distribution.

This is the bottom line for me. With digital, if Sony ever decides to pull the plug and stop offering the games, then you're just SOL. It's one thing for $5 or $10 games on one of the console services or on Steam, but I don't want to be buying full-priced games with no guarantee they'll still work in five years.

You're perfectly justified btw. #1 is the reason I don't CURRENTLY own a PSP. I'd never buy a portable console that's so large--it just doesn't make sense to me. #2...well, it kinda goes hand in hand with #1...it just increases the portability of the thing by not worrying about UMDs. And not worrying about swapping discs/memory cards is nice, too--16GB is plenty for most occasions if you don't load it like crazy with media. Heck my entire MP3 collection doesn't reach more than 9GB...though...all my MP3s are LEGAL...guess that could be a problem for some. #3 I also got that Amazon deal. It's more like $94 out of pocket for me, but still, little more than half the price of a 3000 which I'm not interested in at all...not bad. #4...well, that's just a perk--I wouldn't put it as a reason to buy it, but it definitely has a nice look to it...

I've heard mixed things about how it feels. My impression based on the MANY impressions I've read in preparation for tomorrow, is that people either think it's too light/small, or it's well-balanced. The actual weight difference isn't that huge, which is why it sounds to me like some like the balance and others do not. I'm not TOO worried about the plastic framework, because well...I don't plan to drop something like this, even if it's "only" $94. And honestly, if you take care of it well, a sturdy plastic shouldn't be a problem. Almost everyone I've read reviews from said the actual sliding mechanism felt pretty solid, if not great.

So I'd say you're justified, especially on #1 and #3, in my opinion. Again, really the reasons I got the PSP Go despite not owning a PSP prior...

Honestly, you guys don't need to defend your purchase. The PSPgo does have advantages, and if you're willing to forgive its shortcomings then you'll probably get your money's worth out of the device.

I can't say I'd never get one...but I'd probably need a significant price drop (and, ideally, more built-in memory and an idea of whether or not older titles will ever drop in price on PSN) before I'd seriously consider it.

[Tux.Bobble]

Haha, I know I don't need to justify it at this point. A bit too late anyway since it's en route to my house! Just really meant for discussion more than anything. Like I said before, I've been "arguing" with someone on Amazon's forums about the Go for a while now. He keeps calling things you purchase from PSN "rentals" because of the activation system in place on Sony consoles/accounts. For a while he refused to stop being a stickler since it's not "ownership" (in that you can't re-sell, etc.) but was willing to let the term "rental" be applied quite loosely.

And then he decided for about 3 days straight to tell people that the PSP Go isn't significantly smaller than the PSP 3k. We argued for a few days, and then on day 3 or 4, reviews started going up at various websites--Kotaku, Joystiq, IGN, Destructoid, etc. All of them had photos, and all of them made note of the significant size difference. I linked to the photos and reviews. He switched topics. Lol.

Guess I'm just still partially geared up about it--the PSP Go definitely is NOT for EVERYBODY. But some people are trying to tear it down so hard without good reason, so I kinda took it upon myself there to minimize the misinformation haha...(Right now there's a guy claiming that Sony said a PSP Go can be used "as a cell phone". And no, we tried to get clarification from him, and he WASN'T referring to Skype. So your guess is as good as mine)

[georox]

First! I hope..

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p237/theorize/DSC00874.jpg

[FroMann]

Well. Lets see how well the launch goes. I see one is already sold.

[Tux.Bobble]

PlayStation Store is updated. A la FriskyTanuki: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238357

[chakan]

Honestly, you guys don't need to defend your purchase. The PSPgo does have advantages, and if you're willing to forgive its shortcomings then you'll probably get your money's worth out of the device.



I sort of feel like I did need to defend my purchase, because I agree Sony has done so many things wrong with the Go.

[Tux.Bobble]

I sort of feel like I did need to defend my purchase, because I agree Sony has done so many things wrong with the Go.

Amen, chakan, amen...thankfully I didn't own a PSP or UMDs so the lack of UMD transfers didn't affect me except in the future purchase of used games to port over. Not enough to deter me though. And damn it. I'm STILL pissed that they're stuck on 802.11b rather than g. That's not that huge of an update for a system somewhat based around its connectivity, and would quadruple transfer speeds...

[georox]

It's simple to me, my PSP 1000 = home model, whereas my PSP Go will be my main handheld of choice.

[paddlefoot]

I sort of feel like I did need to defend my purchase, because I agree Sony has done so many things wrong with the Go.

Nah dude, no need. I criticize the thing and I'm still close to purchasing one.


On a separate issue. I purchased a sealed Ratchet and Clank PSP-3000 bundle from a guy off of craigslist yesterday for $125. Hoping I got a pretty good deal. May still get a PSPgo. But only purchase games when they go on sale, exclusives, or PSone titles. I bought Badman and Prinny today for $20 off the PS store. Hopefully the Disgaea drops furthur (should be $5-$10) and I'll buy that too.

[paddlefoot]

It's simple to me, my PSP 1000 = home model, whereas my PSP Go will be my main handheld of choice.

Does the PSP-1000 have video out? That would be the one thing keeping me from using it as my home model.

[mykevermin]

2000 and 3000 have video out, not 1000.

[Chitown021]

The no UMD trade-in policy killed this for me. I was toying with the idea of a GO b/c it would be nice to not have to lug around and swap out UMD's but with limited memory and having to re-buy all the games in my collection (many of them for at least twice the price since I bought them used or on clearance) count me out.

The only way you'd be able to get cheapass deals on GO software would be if retailers continue to carry the PSN cards and would clearance the out.

[FroMann]

I think I might be willing to buy a PSP go later when there are price drops on both the system and games on PlayStation Store itself.

[Masterkyo]

I had few good psp games & really don't want to spend extra money re-buy it on digital format. PSP Go is no go for me at this time.

[Javery]

Hacked by Friday, I'm betting.

Not from what I've been reading. There is still no homebrew solution for the PSP 3000 and I'm sure Sony took even more precautions with the Go. From what I understand we shouldn't hold our breath for a hacked PSPGo (the only thing that could ever get me to consider buying one).

[Richard Kain]

A trade-in program wouldn't have worked for me, even if they had implemented it. I enjoy collecting games. There's no way I would have exchanged physical copies of my UMD games for intangible redemption codes to a service that may or may not be active in ten years time. My UMD games are collectible bits of gaming history. PSN game codes are randomly genarated passwords that become invalid immediately after using them.

I don't object to the idea of digitally distributed media. I have actually purchased several games on Steam, PSN, XBLA, and Virtual Console, and had good experiences with them. But I would never exchange a physical copy for a digital one.

[Snake2715]

First! I hope..



Look back af ew pages.. I had mine 8-9 days ago...

[starmask2k3]

anyone get the mobile phone to PSP GO to work so u can go online with you phone service

[manthing]

anyone get the mobile phone to PSP GO to work so u can go online with you phone service

This is possibly the worst idea I have ever heard in a gaming system.

You better not be downloading games/movies from the PSN using that, you're gonna hit your unlimited 5GB monthly data cap really quickly, assuming you even have a data tethering option on your phone/plan.

:lol:

Wait until people start seeing the overage charges from doing this in the U.S.

:rofl:

[Tux.Bobble]

This is possibly the worst idea I have ever heard in a gaming system.

You better not be downloading games/movies from the PSN using that, you're gonna hit your unlimited 5GB monthly data cap really quickly, assuming you even have a data tethering option on your phone/plan.

:lol:

Wait until people start seeing the overage charges from doing this in the U.S.

:rofl:

Actually that makes it one of the BEST IDEAS, just one of the WORST IMPLEMENTATIONS...lol.

[Malik112099]

This is possibly the worst idea I have ever heard in a gaming system.

You better not be downloading games/movies from the PSN using that, you're gonna hit your unlimited 5GB monthly data cap really quickly, assuming you even have a data tethering option on your phone/plan.

:lol:

Wait until people start seeing the overage charges from doing this in the U.S.

:rofl:


I have unlimited data with my iPhone, so that would make it a good option for people like me. Last month I used 1.9GB of data according to my bill. Just for use while on the go (get it!??!) I think it would still be hard to hit 5GB of data...even though it doesnt really matter since tons of plans nowadays are unlimited.

[h3llbring3r]

I have unlimited data with my iPhone, so that would make it a good option for people like me. Last month I used 1.9GB of data according to my bill. Just for use while on the go (get it!??!) I think it would still be hard to hit 5GB of data...even though it doesnt really matter since tons of plans nowadays are unlimited.

I believe that what manthing is referring to is the fact that there is a 5gb "soft cap" on AT&T's Unlimited (um, limited) data plans. I come pretty close to that monthly on my iPhone (I'm running around 4 regularly) and am waiting to see how they handle my overage.

[Snake2715]

alltel is unlimited, grab it before the finished merger w verizon

[bmachine]

This is possibly the worst idea I have ever heard in a gaming system.

That feature actually makes getting a PSPgo more appealing to me.

[Malik112099]

That feature actually makes getting a PSPgo more appealing to me.

yeah....I think online gaming on the go ANYWHERE is a bug hurdle to jump. I think Sony should do something cool and make use of the 3G networks (like Amazon does for the Kindle) and cover the cost. That alone would make me jump over to the PSP Go.

[Gothic Walrus]

I believe that what manthing is referring to is the fact that there is a 5gb "soft cap" on AT&T's Unlimited (um, limited) data plans. I come pretty close to that monthly on my iPhone (I'm running around 4 regularly) and am waiting to see how they handle my overage.

I have a feeling it won't end well for you.

a bug hurdle to jump

Because I can:

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/windows-3x-games/53-1.jpg

[chakan]

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/blog.php?b=10714

[LinkinPrime]

The 30min, I've spent with it trying out Patapon 2, it's pretty solid. Now on to the boring setup, software install, and account info.

[Nibi]

http://gallery.me.com/aarocho/100095/CIMG2335/web.jpg?ver=12544429830001
My dog seems to be indifferent about it, but I am really digging the go.

More images past the spoiler button.

http://gallery.me.com/aarocho/100095/CIMG2340/web.jpg?ver=12544429940001

http://gallery.me.com/aarocho/100095/CIMG2354/web.jpg?ver=12544430630001

http://gallery.me.com/aarocho/100095/CIMG2356/web.jpg?ver=12544430810001

http://gallery.me.com/aarocho/100095/CIMG2360.jpg?derivative=medium&source=web.jpg&type=medium&ver=12544430910001

http://gallery.me.com/aarocho/100095/CIMG2366.jpg?derivative=medium&source=web.jpg&type=medium&ver=12544431100001

http://gallery.me.com/aarocho/100095/CIMG2368/web.jpg?ver=12544431230001

Guess I should add something new to the hypewagon.

[Gothic Walrus]

My dog seems to be indifferent about it, but I am really digging the go.

Yorkie, or Silky?

[Nibi]

Yorkie, or Silky?

Yorkie.

[bmachine]

yeah....I think online gaming on the go ANYWHERE is a bug hurdle to jump. I think Sony should do something cool and make use of the 3G networks (like Amazon does for the Kindle) and cover the cost. That alone would make me jump over to the PSP Go.

The Kindle was exactly the comparison I had in mind, as well. Amazon nailed that on the first try.

My dog seems to be indifferent about it, but I am really digging the go.

Aaaawwww...wicked cute dog, Nibi.

[Ecofreak]

Seems like the posts about "PSP Go FAIL" have subsided now that the system has been released.

I'm glad to see that PSN game prices are comparible, if not cheaper, than used game sales at Gamestop (Ex. Joanne D'Arc and Puzzle Quest).

[Javery]

PSP Go FAIL!!!!!

[Gothic Walrus]

Seems like the posts about "PSP Go FAIL" have subsided now that the system has been released.

At this point, most of the arguments against the system's obvious design flaws have already been made, and argued to death. All that's left is anything that might rear its head later, like durability or comfort issues - things that require actually having the system in people's hands.

I'm still curious to see how the pricing shakes out. I'm still expecting it to be mostly static, but if Sony can surprise me there then I'd be more interested in picking one of these up once I can afford it.

[h3llbring3r]

PSP Go FAIL!!!!!
This.

Seriously though, until there is anymore news I don't think it is possible crap on it anymore than has already been done. We'll see in a few months how the post holiday domestic numbers shake out.

[Ecofreak]

PSP Go FAIL!!!!!

I SPOKE TOO SOON!!!! :bomb:::-#:bomb:

[Ecofreak]

I'm still curious to see how the pricing shakes out. I'm still expecting it to be mostly static, but if Sony can surprise me there then I'd be more interested in picking one of these up once I can afford it.

Sony won't keep the price high for too long or else risk the synergistic energy boost the Playstation brand has received since the unveiling of the PS3 Slim (small, though that boost may be). Sony has also convinced publishers to really support the system (like Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker), and they can't get continued support unless they sell more PSPs and thus more games.

And we all know that Sony is charging $250 because they knows there is a dedicated (i.e. foolish -- i.e. me) who is willing to pay that premium. So milk them for all they're worth and then drop the price for mass consumption.

As is noted by a recent interview from GamesIndustry.biz (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/pspgo-sonys-plan-for-its-new-handheld-interview?page=2) with Claire Backhouse, product manager for PSP in the UK.

Q: The GBP 225 price tag is a fairly high one some are saying. Although perhaps not so much when you consider a lot of gamers will be getting four free games if they buy at launch. Is it a price you feel you're going to have to work hard at to justify? Do you think it will take a while to build up enough content on the PSN and build up awareness of the console before you will achieve decent sales?

Claire Backhouse: It could be. I think we're quite lucky we're launching two months before Christmas - I think that'll really help boost sales. With the campaign as well that we've gone for it's quite targeted. I think we'll see the early adaptors, the gamers, the technology guys getting into it first and I think it'll sell quite strongly prior to Christmas. Then you always have a bit of a lag in January and maybe you'll see at the start of the new financial year, next year, it pick up again with a wider audience I imagine. That's when we'll start talking about other entertainment functionalities as well.

Wider Audience = Price drop sometime next fiscal year (i.e. Spring to early summer).

[keithp]

We'll see in a few months how the post holiday domestic numbers shake out.

I predict it won't be pretty for Sony. This thing is way overpriced.

PSP Go FAIL!

(Why do I hear that being shouted in the Elite Beat Agent announcer voice?)

[62t]

did you try using Dual Shock 3 with the Go?

[paddlefoot]

Is there any possibility somebody figures out a way to transfer UMD disks into the drive with a PSP-1000? Like tricking the Go or something.

[starmask2k3]

anyone with a sprint phone use it as a wi-fi for the PSP GO yet i dont know how to do it i have the everything plan

[starmask2k3]

did you try using Dual Shock 3 with the Go?

i did

[jer7583]

I really don't see this taking off.

I like the design, I like the concept. I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE the price. What were they thinking?

$150 and this would have sold like CRAZY. $250 is a slap in the dick.

[aihuman]

Is there any possibility somebody figures out a way to transfer UMD disks into the drive with a PSP-1000? Like tricking the Go or something.

There is a program called USBSSS that allows you to rip UMDS from a flashed PSP to the PC .So,maybe.

[LinkinPrime]

So the PSP supports .avi, but when I try to add .avi files, it converts them...WTF!?

[darkwingduck13]

Has someone already posted this link here? I don't remember seeing it during all the digital distribution "discussions." http://www.joystiq.com/2009/09/23/sony-to-maintain-pricing-parity-for-downloadable-psp-games/

[darken]

i did


Can you give anymore input on that? How are games when you use the dualshock?

[paddlefoot]

There is a program called USBSSS that allows you to rip UMDS from a flashed PSP to the PC .So,maybe.

I just hate the idea of not being able to play games I purchased because of corporate greed and piracy.

I bought a PSP-3000 R&C Bundle on Wednesday for $125 and yesterday I bought a PSPgo. Yeah, I know, money burning a hole in my pocket. I may end up selling the go, but it was too cheap via Dell, so cheap that I should be able to recoup my money unless a price drop occurs. What spurred me on was the NIS sales. Hopefully Publishers can set prices and have greater freedom in sales. More like Steam, less like Xbox Live Marketplace.

[paddlefoot]

Has someone already posted this link here? I don't remember seeing it during all the digital distribution "discussions." http://www.joystiq.com/2009/09/23/sony-to-maintain-pricing-parity-for-downloadable-psp-games/

I purchased a PSP-3000 as a hedge. So Eric Lempel can Fuck off

[vherub]

part of the reason titles on the psp store are the same as retail is not to upset their relationship with retailers.
Sony still needs the bestbuys and walmarts and amazons to carry their games.
If the sony store comes out with game x at $20, while it retails at $30 at bestbuy. A few things are going to happen.
Less people are going to purchase at best buy
Bestbuy is either going to demand the publisher sells them the game at a discount, or decide the hell with this, we aren't going to bother carrying your game.
A popular game like Dissidia, they probably would still sell, but certain titles, they would decide it no longer makes sense to carry.
And ultimately if you start mucking around with consumer buying trends, the unknowns are scary. If a huge chunk of your sales are from retail stores, will digital distribution be able to convert enough of those sales to go it alone?

A publisher like NIS can offer a sale on it's titles because the retail players already don't buy much of it's games, and NIS/Atlus titles carry higher than normal resale values that indicate many people buy their titles, but sales are not so front loaded.
Or the case with Prinny, retail made little effort to sell the game and it sold very poorly. So now selling it for $10 shouldn't cannibalize significant retail sales or anger stores.

[manthing]

That feature actually makes getting a PSPgo more appealing to me.

I have unlimited data with my iPhone, so that would make it a good option for people like me. Last month I used 1.9GB of data according to my bill.

It would be a great feature...provided you lived in Japan or Europe. The cell network in the U.S. isn't really equipped to handle lots of devices accessing data in large amounts. The iPhone's troubles are a portend of what's coming with so many smartphones being pushed now.

The main problem here in the states is two-fold: (1) tethering the PSPGo to a cell blatantly goes against the Terms & Conditions of every phone data plan in the nation, with the exception of Alltel, (2) data caps on 'unlimited' data plans


Let's look at the main cell companies' terms and conditions regarding tethering the PSPGo to a cell phone for data usage

Verizon's T&Cs
The Unlimited plans cannot be used: (1) for any applications that tether the device to laptops, PCs, or other equipment for any purpose, (2) for uploading, downloading or streaming of movies, music or gamesLook at that, no tethering to the PSP and PSN store downloads are explicitly forbidden at Big Red.


AT&T's T&Cs
Furthermore, plans (unless specifically designated for tethering usage) cannot be used for any applications that tether the device (through use of, including without limitation, connection kits, other phone/PDA-to computer accessories, BLUETOOTH® or any other wireless technology) to Personal Computers (including without limitation, laptops), or other equipment for any purpose.No tethering on AT&T either.

Sprint's T&Cs
Except with Phone-as-Modem plans, you may not use a phone (including a Bluetooth phone) as a modem in connection with a computer, PDA, or similar device. Not on the NOW Network either, unless you pay the $50+ for ther PAM plan as well.

T-Mobile:
Unless explicitly permitted by your Data Plan, other uses, including for example, tethering your device to a personal computer or other hardware, are not permitted.Not here either unless you have some plan I can't seem to find on their site.

I know people do it all the time with laptops, but there are PC programs that 'mask' that usage. I doubt that Sony has put in something similar into the Go.

Plus even on a PC using PDANet or similar, if you're gonna be downloading things from the PSN, they'll see that spike in usage.

I believe that what manthing is referring to is the fact that there is a 5gb "soft cap" on AT&T's Unlimited (um, limited) data plans. I come pretty close to that monthly on my iPhone (I'm running around 4 regularly) and am waiting to see how they handle my overage.

That's problem #2 with the BT tethering: data usage.

Verizon and Sprint also have 5GB caps, while T-Mobile has a 10GB cap.

And heaven forbid you go over 5GB on Verizon, they'll charge you $0.25 per MB you go over the cap. At least the other three don't do that.

It's never really been established exactly how much data online play for the PSP uses, has it?

yeah....I think online gaming on the go ANYWHERE is a bug hurdle to jump. I think Sony should do something cool and make use of the 3G networks (like Amazon does for the Kindle) and cover the cost. That alone would make me jump over to the PSP Go.


The Kindle was exactly the comparison I had in mind, as well. Amazon nailed that on the first try.


That would have been infinitely better option here in the states.

[starmask2k3]

Can you give anymore input on that? How are games when you use the dualshock?

its sweet i use It all the time i carry it around with me all the time

[h3llbring3r]

its sweet i use It all the time i carry it around with me all the time
You carry around a PSPgo and a DS3?
Doesn't that defeat the purpose of the more portable form-factor that the go sports?
How does having two analog sticks work out?

[starmask2k3]

It would be a great feature...provided you lived in Japan or Europe. The cell network in the U.S. isn't really equipped to handle lots of devices accessing data in large amounts. The iPhone's troubles are a portend of what's coming with so many smartphones being pushed now.

The main problem here in the states is two-fold: (1) tethering the PSPGo to a cell blatantly goes against the Terms & Conditions of every phone data plan in the nation, with the exception of Alltel, (2) data caps on 'unlimited' data plans


Let's look at the main cell companies' terms and conditions regarding tethering the PSPGo to a cell phone for data usage

Verizon's T&Cs
Look at that, no tethering to the PSP and PSN store downloads are explicitly forbidden at Big Red.


AT&T's T&Cs
No tethering on AT&T either.

Sprint's T&Cs
Not on the NOW Network either, unless you pay the $50+ for ther PAM plan as well.

T-Mobile:
Not here either unless you have some plan I can't seem to find on their site.

I know people do it all the time with laptops, but there are PC programs that 'mask' that usage. I doubt that Sony has put in something similar into the Go.

Plus even on a PC using PDANet or similar, if you're gonna be downloading things from the PSN, they'll see that spike in usage.



That's problem #2 with the BT tethering: data usage.

Verizon and Sprint also have 5GB caps, while T-Mobile has a 10GB cap.

And heaven forbid you go over 5GB on Verizon, they'll charge you $0.25 per MB you go over the cap. At least the other three don't do that.

It's never really been established exactly how much data online play for the PSP uses, has it?






That would have been infinitely better option here in the states.

so Allte will work with it

[starmask2k3]

You carry around a PSPgo and a DS3?
Doesn't that defeat the purpose of the more portable form-factor that the go sports?
How does having two analog sticks work out?

i dont use it when i am walking just when i am at friends house or sitting outside or something like that and it works ok

[h3llbring3r]

so Alltel will work with it
Since they are the only outlier- I imagine Alltel users will be getting little TOS update pamphlets in the mail soon with a similar cap.

Alltel is a bit slow, I think it is a byproduct of being based in Little Rock.
No offense to any Arrr-Kansans.

[FroMann]

Let me know how well that slider works in the next year or so. I want to know if it still works perfectly or if its worn out

[manthing]

so Allte will work with it

Unless you live in a Alltel market, you won't be able to get Alltel service.

Even then, Verizon now owns Alltel. A LOT of Alltel markets don't allow you to get a new Alltel plan, just shoveling you over to VZW.

[LinkinPrime]

So no one tried importing videos into the PSP Go yet? I got the Media Disc installed but it seems to default the video to AVC. I had converted some videos in MP4 and it still converted it. I tried the drag and drop option from windows and it said that the .avi file was corrupted and could not be played. This is currently my only peeve with this system.

[Richard Kain]

part of the reason titles on the psp store are the same as retail is not to upset their relationship with retailers.
Sony still needs the bestbuys and walmarts and amazons to carry their games.
If the sony store comes out with game x at $20, while it retails at $30 at bestbuy. A few things are going to happen.
Less people are going to purchase at best buy
Bestbuy is either going to demand the publisher sells them the game at a discount, or decide the hell with this, we aren't going to bother carrying your game.
A popular game like Dissidia, they probably would still sell, but certain titles, they would decide it no longer makes sense to carry.
And ultimately if you start mucking around with consumer buying trends, the unknowns are scary. If a huge chunk of your sales are from retail stores, will digital distribution be able to convert enough of those sales to go it alone?

A publisher like NIS can offer a sale on it's titles because the retail players already don't buy much of it's games, and NIS/Atlus titles carry higher than normal resale values that indicate many people buy their titles, but sales are not so front loaded.
Or the case with Prinny, retail made little effort to sell the game and it sold very poorly. So now selling it for $10 shouldn't cannibalize significant retail sales or anger stores.


This is very true. Of course, other companies that have been dappling in digital distribution have had the stones to flip retial the middle finger, and sell games as they please. Most notably Valve's Steam service regularly prices games on their service lower than the regular retail prices, and even promotes games with occasional sales. (during which time their digitally distributed games are MUCH cheaper than retail)

Of course, it is a lot easier for a company like Valve to get away with this. Sony has a physical platform to support, and its own catalog of titles to sell on store shelves. Valve has no standard physical platform, and their release schedule is notorious for being few and far between. Sony has a lot to lose from pissing off retail, while Valve can piss them off just as much as they like.

At the same time, the retailers are also being a little unreasonable. It's only natural for digitally distributed games to be cheaper. The expense, after all, is considerably less to the developer/publisher. (as well as the risk) They can sell digitally distributed games for less than retail games, and still turn a profit. Often times, they can turn an even better profit, despite the price being lower. Retailers demanding parity when the products are not actually identical is a bit unreasonable.

[xdl]

part of the reason titles on the psp store are the same as retail is not to upset their relationship with retailers.
Sony still needs the bestbuys and walmarts and amazons to carry their games.
If the sony store comes out with game x at $20, while it retails at $30 at bestbuy. A few things are going to happen.
Less people are going to purchase at best buy
Bestbuy is either going to demand the publisher sells them the game at a discount, or decide the hell with this, we aren't going to bother carrying your game.
A popular game like Dissidia, they probably would still sell, but certain titles, they would decide it no longer makes sense to carry.
And ultimately if you start mucking around with consumer buying trends, the unknowns are scary. If a huge chunk of your sales are from retail stores, will digital distribution be able to convert enough of those sales to go it alone?

A publisher like NIS can offer a sale on it's titles because the retail players already don't buy much of it's games, and NIS/Atlus titles carry higher than normal resale values that indicate many people buy their titles, but sales are not so front loaded.
Or the case with Prinny, retail made little effort to sell the game and it sold very poorly. So now selling it for $10 shouldn't cannibalize significant retail sales or anger stores.

Every once in a while I read something that reminds me there are intelligent humans left on planet Earth.

What I think should be done in regards to digital media, is some sort of heavy rebate from the publisher/manufacturer that would allow for someone to physically own the game, and allow for the digital download as well. Either that, or continue to sell games at retail in B&M form with the game disc, and a unique serial number to allow you to download it digitally. Of course that won't happen because it would "cost too much," but we can dream can't we?

[manthing]

What I think should be done in regards to digital media, is some sort of heavy rebate from the publisher/manufacturer that would allow for someone to physically own the game, and allow for the digital download as well. Either that, or continue to sell games at retail in B&M form with the game disc, and a unique serial number to allow you to download it digitally. Of course that won't happen because it would "cost too much," but we can dream can't we?

If only there was a game that did such a thing...

http://www.retrevo.com/content/files/images/products/bb-gc/rock-band.jpg

But Sony would never allow that, as it would flood the market with (un)used UMDs.

[paddlefoot]

Publishers hated the rental market before they hated the used game market. Now they are basically telling us that all were doing is renting the code when we purchase a game.

[darken]

i dont use it when i am walking just when i am at friends house or sitting outside or something like that and it works ok

We'll need an answer from someone else please

[darkwingduck13]

Publishers hated the rental market before they hated the used game market. Now they are basically telling us that all were doing is renting the code when we purchase a game.

Word.

And what is worse is if they get their way and get digital distribution entrenched as the "main" or "only" way of doing things, then it'll just be a short time until we're looking at the total elimination of "owning" games, and we'll be buying their damn "licenses" based on the amount of time we're allowed to play. "Purchasing" will give way to buying a "lifetime license" for an exorbitant fee, while everything else will be rental tiers based on how long the digital download is "activated" for use.

[paddlefoot]

Word.

And what is worse is if they get their way and get digital distribution entrenched as the "main" or "only" way of doing things, then it'll just be a short time until we're looking at the total elimination of "owning" games, and we'll be buying their damn "licenses" based on the amount of time we're allowed to play. "Purchasing" will give way to buying a "lifetime license" for an exorbitant fee, while everything else will be rental tiers based on how long the digital download is "activated" for use.


Where's the ACLU when you need them to handle important matters?

[darkwingduck13]

No kidding. And I guess I shouldn't have said "we" in that post up there. I will probably just stop buying new games when the day comes that I can't get it on physical media that I own.

[SHaKey_STeVe]

So no one tried importing videos into the PSP Go yet? I got the Media Disc installed but it seems to default the video to AVC. I had converted some videos in MP4 and it still converted it. I tried the drag and drop option from windows and it said that the .avi file was corrupted and could not be played. This is currently my only peeve with this system.

Yes, like iTouch and iTunes, no matter what type of video format the file is, you have to use media go to copy it to the Go, and it takes forever. In fact, it takes about as long as me actually watching the whole movie...and it SUCKS!

[Gothic Walrus]

Word.

And what is worse is if they get their way and get digital distribution entrenched as the "main" or "only" way of doing things, then it'll just be a short time until we're looking at the total elimination of "owning" games, and we'll be buying their damn "licenses" based on the amount of time we're allowed to play. "Purchasing" will give way to buying a "lifetime license" for an exorbitant fee, while everything else will be rental tiers based on how long the digital download is "activated" for use.

Sadly, this is probably exactly where we're headed. This is a big part of the reason why I'm not sure I want the Go to succeed at all - anything that pushes us closer towards digital distribution becoming the only method of distribution is undesirable. A very few companies, like Valve, have shown that if they're going digital they're going to do it in a way that works for consumers...but Sony lost my trust a long time ago with the rootkit fiasco. They've never shown any proof that they care at all about consumer rights, which is why I don't trust the Go right now.

I'm just hoping that the change from physical to digital isn't so gradual that everybody accepts it. I want to see something big and something sudden - something that consumers and retailers will both push back against. If it's slow and subtle, it's going to work, and we all get hosed.

Yes, like iTouch and iTunes, no matter what type of video format the file is, you have to use media go to copy it to the Go, and it takes forever. In fact, it takes about as long as me actually watching the whole movie...and it SUCKS!

The only suggestion I can make is to convert stuff while you're doing other things - sleeping, cooking, watching TV or playing video games. The timing usually works well for me.

[whoknows]

So anyways, people who got it how is it? Super sleek? I'm tempted, but hesitant.

[darkwingduck13]

Sadly, this is probably exactly where we're headed. This is a big part of the reason why I'm not sure I want the Go to succeed at all - anything that pushes us closer towards digital distribution becoming the only method of distribution is undesirable. A very few companies, like Valve, have shown that if they're going digital they're going to do it in a way that works for consumers...but Sony lost my trust a long time ago with the rootkit fiasco. They've never shown any proof that they care at all about consumer rights, which is why I don't trust the Go right now.

I'm just hoping that the change from physical to digital isn't so gradual that everybody accepts it. I want to see something big and something sudden - something that consumers and retailers will both push back against. If it's slow and subtle, it's going to work, and we all get hosed.



The only suggestion I can make is to convert stuff while you're doing other things - sleeping, cooking, watching TV or playing video games. The timing usually works well for me.

I'm right there with you, Walrus. The gradual erosion of rights always seems to be what ends up working, and in this particular case you can see it coming from miles away.

[LinkinPrime]

Yes, like iTouch and iTunes, no matter what type of video format the file is, you have to use media go to copy it to the Go, and it takes forever. In fact, it takes about as long as me actually watching the whole movie...and it SUCKS!

But it specified it supported AVI. I thought I could just drag and drop them into the PSP? This sucks!

[h3llbring3r]

But it specified it supported AVI. I thought I could just drag and drop them into the PSP? This sucks!
It does, it supports it via Sony's free conversion tool.
:king homer laughing.gif:

[FriskyTanuki]

Why not just open up the system under My Computer and copy/paste the video into the video folder there?

[SHaKey_STeVe]

It supports AVI files, MP4, WMV, but you can't just drag and drop them through Windows File Manager. You have to use Media Go (like iPod/iTunes) to install them on the Go. And there lies the problem.

[SHaKey_STeVe]

Why not just open up the system under My Computer and copy/paste the video into the video folder there?

Sony won't allow it...you have to use Media Go...

[darkwingduck13]

It supports AVI files, MP4, WMV, but you can't just drag and drop them through Windows File Manager. You have to use Media Go (like iPod/iTunes) to install them on the Go. And there lies the problem.

So basically they're trying to lock it down in a way similar to what companies do with cellphones to try to keep you from just dragging and dropping music files/ringtones?

[FriskyTanuki]

They completely changed how you access the memory? That sucks. Then just use your PS3 and/or its media server ability, Linkin.

[SHaKey_STeVe]

Yep. Unless it gets hacked (like PSP, iPod, etc)..and it will eventually...

[LinkinPrime]

It does, it supports it via Sony's free conversion tool.
:king homer laughing.gif:

:cry:

It supports AVI files, MP4, WMV, but you can't just drag and drop them through Windows File Manager. You have to use Media Go (like iPod/iTunes) to install them on the Go. And there lies the problem.

If it has to convert them, then they're not supported. What a lie, but I guess it's expected.

They completely changed how you access the memory? That sucks. Then just use your PS3 and/or its media server ability, Linkin.

Interesting...I didn't know about that. I'll definitely give that a go, thanks.

Yep. Unless it gets hacked (like PSP, iPod, etc)..and it will eventually...

The time can't come soon enough.

[h3llbring3r]

It supports AVI files, MP4, WMV, but you can't just drag and drop them through Windows File Manager. You have to use Media Go (like iPod/iTunes) to install them on the Go. And there lies the problem.
For Sony (and a few other manufactures ) supported format ≠ native format.

The reasoning is probably that it eliminates tons of codecs being installed on the device.

Sorry man, your clear and crisp quality digital videos are gonna get downgraded to a single format.

LP, I would sell that thing while you can still make a buck off of some poor sucker.

[LinkinPrime]

It's actually pretty good though. I converted an .avi last night and I was checking it out this morning, looked and sounded just like a UMD movie in terms of quality, the bitch is the time it takes to convert. Guess I'll be doing my converting overnight.

[Ecofreak]

How long does it take to fully charge the PSP Go during initial set-up?

[chakan]

I didn't check on it constantly, but it had a full charge after 3 hours out of the box. I got about 5 hours of play time off that charge, but I was using wifi almost half the time.

[Reichan]

Well they just made whole thing difficult for this version of PSP It really is very hard to stuffs for this one, they just made all the things complicated their killing their own product, what if they just added new features for the recent PSP3k rather than trying to kick its @ss outside the market,

[bsesb2003]

My internet is horrible, but it too way too long to download and install Gran Tourismo.

[opportunity777]

For me, the smaller screen makes RPGs (too much reading) and racing games unplayable. On the older PSPs, I already thought the screen was too small for those types of games. Now, I find it unbearable.

[DQT]

To all the people who already bought the Go, can you use the analog nub and the L button at the same time? I liked the design but I just realized that's gotta literally be a stretch.

[utopianmachine]

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/reviews/2009/10/psp-go-review-sony-is-charging-you-much-more-for-much-less.ars

Nasty PSP review. Total skip, is the verdict.

[token2k6]

I have a few questions:
1) can I use the official Sony AC adapter that came out a few months back and just swipe out the USB connector? I haven't compared the 'bricks' to note different power characteristics, but maybe somebody more technical might know...

2) what the heck does the PS button do when you press it? (sorry, didn't even open the manual)

3) does anybody see a problem w/ the forceful slide up using the official carrying case? I'd hate for this to be destroying the mechanism, but it does rather hold it nicely once its up w/ no wobble like you get from some slider phones.

thats it, other than that, loving the new pspGO, even after buyer's remorse and realizing that my 40 umd's won't play on it, oh well, time for the digital revolution I guess...

[The_Linux_Crew]

The PSP Go won't stay $250 forever so I'd expect sales to increase (like everything else) once a price drop hits sometime next year. Makes sense for Sony to gouge the early adapters who are willing to pay thereby generating MASSIVE profits.

And it's not like the PSP line is competing with the DS directly (which has a more casual focus) and Microsoft doesn't have a handheld (Zune doesn't really count since it'll have iPhone like games only).

Sales may increase, but don't expect it to take off, even with casual gamers.

With the PSP Go, Sony tries to reach out to casual gamers (http://performancetrap.blogspot.com/2009/10/sonys-new-psp-go-appeals-to-casual.html)

[Malik112099]

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/reviews/2009/10/psp-go-review-sony-is-charging-you-much-more-for-much-less.ars

Nasty PSP review. Total skip, is the verdict.


Good read....i didnt know about the DS3 syncing issue:

It gets even sillier, however. You can use the Bluetooth capabilities of the system to link a Dual Shock 3 to the system, in order to play with an actual controller. That's a pretty cool feature, right? The only problem is, without USB you need to connect the controller, and the PSP Go, to a PS3. So to sync the controller to the system you need another system, a USB cable, the proprietary PSP Go cable, and the controller. It's not exactly the most elegant solution, and in this situation the PS3 works as a $300 adapter.



Review conclusion:


The Good


The screen is beautiful in action
Clicky, responsive buttons
Hardware is aesthetically pleasing
The pause function is great
Bluetooth headset, to use with your bluetooth headset, PS3 controllers, or to tether to your cell phone
Sound is strong using the built-in speakers


The Bad


The system can't download games while you're doing other things
Way too expensive
Absolutely no way to play any of your existing games
Controls are cramped
Smaller screen
Games tend to be more expensive than retail
No competition in pricing for games
No way to sell games you buy
None of your cables or accessories will work, except for headphones
Screen is wasted while closed, only shows clock, calendar


The Ugly


Waiting hours to download a patch, charge your batteries, buy a game, download your game, and then install your game, and then finally... guess what? playing your game!
Your system can already do what this system claims to do, and better. Minus the bluetooth and the 16GB of internal storage, this is a step back in every way
If Sony continues this trend, expect a $500 PS3 that doesn't play Blu-ray discs



Verdict: Skip

[ivanctorres]

I'm intrigues by the ps3. I love new tech but there's two things that worry me....
1) mediago is not compatible with mac
2) prices for new downloads ie $40 for arctic edge while I can get the umd version for 30 on amazon. I embrace dd with iTunes and my iPhone but nothing on there costs me 40 bucks. I'm paying 5-10 bucks for an albu
from either amazon or iTunes.
I hope they sell dd codes at stores that way we have some competition in the retail sector like they did with patapon.

[briandadude]

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/reviews/2009/10/psp-go-review-sony-is-charging-you-much-more-for-much-less.ars

Nasty PSP review. Total skip, is the verdict.

Loved this review. I hope nobody buys the PSPgo.

[Cthulhu8u]

It's actually pretty good though. I converted an .avi last night and I was checking it out this morning, looked and sounded just like a UMD movie in terms of quality, the bitch is the time it takes to convert. Guess I'll be doing my converting overnight.
I suggest you look into alternative programs if you want more control over your conversions. PSP VC is probably the best one out there, and I'm sure the latest updates support the Go. You should be able to speed up your conversions by playing with the multi-proc support, among other things. It also allows joining several video files into one file, subtitles, volume adjustment, screen size and visual quality. I've been using it for a while without hassle.

http://pspvc.nswardh.com/

[docvinh]

My friend picked one up, and I have to say, it is a quality piece of hardware. I think it feels more sturdy then the 3000, but yeah, I think I'll still wait until the price drops a little.

[Javery]

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/reviews/2009/10/psp-go-review-sony-is-charging-you-much-more-for-much-less.ars

Nasty PSP review. Total skip, is the verdict.

Brutal. Seemed accurate though.

[bsesb2003]

And by the time you download, and then install a game via wireless, your battery has been on all that time and loses lots of juice.

[lilboo]

Wow, surprised about how bad this is turning out to be. I mean I thought it was just going to be an overpriced PSP w/ lack of UMD and that's that.

Even for a price drop I'm a bit skeptical..and that's pretty bad.

[62t]

Yep. Unless it gets hacked (like PSP, iPod, etc)..and it will eventually...

They still havent fully hack PSP 3000

[LinkinPrime]

I suggest you look into alternative programs if you want more control over your conversions. PSP VC is probably the best one out there, and I'm sure the latest updates support the Go. You should be able to speed up your conversions by playing with the multi-proc support, among other things. It also allows joining several video files into one file, subtitles, volume adjustment, screen size and visual quality. I've been using it for a while without hassle.

http://pspvc.nswardh.com/

That sounds awesome, downloading now, thanks!

[Gothic Walrus]

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/reviews/2009/10/psp-go-review-sony-is-charging-you-much-more-for-much-less.ars

Nasty PSP review. Total skip, is the verdict.

Worth pointing out...

When it comes to storage, what it says on the box and what you see as being available rarely line up. The PSP Go is supposed to come with 16GB of internal storage, but when you first turn on your virginal system you'll find 14GB free for your games, movies, and songs.

How much would a 2GB M2 card cost to make up the difference? Depending on where you shop, $20 to $40. This isn't false advertising, the hardware does have 16GB of internal memory, but you won't be able to use all of it. Be aware.

The PSP Go is a terrible, terrible deal for everyone but Sony.
...
All told, it took around three hours to get to playing an actual game. I passed the time by playing Gran Turismo on the PSP 3000. If you buy a PSP Go, I suggest bringing another video game along to keep yourself occupied while you wait for it to allow you to play something.
...
I absolutely love my PSP, but this new iteration of the platform is what would happen if a facepalm was turned into a piece of hardware.

:lol:

[Malik112099]

You would think that amidst all of the fuckings the PSP Go offers us Sony would have at least made something cool like remote play actually be worth while on the system.

[Reichan]

ITs just PSP GO is not that reliable, i prefer my psp 2k and the late versions

[Malik112099]

ITs just PSP GO is not that reliable, i prefer my psp 2k and the late versions

what the hell are you talking about?

[The Mana Knight]

I absolutely love the PSP Go, which is all I've been playing and messing with all day. I copied over all my datasaves (deleted what I did not need). Re-downloaded all of my previous PSN downloads to my PSP Go, along with buy some other games. I love the added bluetooth where I can use a PS3 controller on the PSP Go (felt great controlling some PSP games with a PS3 controller). IMO, that reason alone made the Go worth $250. Plan to buy component cables next. Tried my headphones to my PSP-1000 and 2000 and it worked. I'm starting to wish I didn't buy so many UMDs previously because its so much nicer playing games on the HDD not dealing with UMD load hiccups or noises. I love its smaller size that makes listening to MP3s MUCH easier.

I did get the Pearl White SKU today. Had a lot of problems finding it since most stores only got black in. After my PS3 slim, best purchase I made all year. :D

Now I really wish I didn't buy MotorStorm: AE on UMD, since I'd rather play that on my Go now (I might just buy the download also, lol).

[starmask2k3]

I copied over all my datasaves (deleted what I did not need). to my PSP Go
how do u do that

[Malik112099]

I absolutely love the PSP Go, which is all I've been playing and messing with all day. I copied over all my datasaves (deleted what I did not need). Re-downloaded all of my previous PSN downloads to my PSP Go, along with buy some other games. I love the added bluetooth where I can use a PS3 controller on the PSP Go (felt great controlling some PSP games with a PS3 controller). IMO, that reason alone made the Go worth $250. Plan to buy component cables next. Tried my headphones to my PSP-1000 and 2000 and it worked. I'm starting to wish I didn't buy so many UMDs previously because its so much nicer playing games on the HDD not dealing with UMD load hiccups or noises. I love its smaller size that makes listening to MP3s MUCH easier.

I did get the Pearl White SKU today. Had a lot of problems finding it since most stores only got black in. After my PS3 slim, best purchase I made all year. :D

Now I really wish I didn't buy MotorStorm: AE on UMD, since I'd rather play that on my Go now (I might just buy the download also, lol).



wow! TMK loves the PSP Go! Imagine that.....

being able to use a DS3 with the Go makes it worth the $250? How about the fact that you need a $300 console to sync them together? Also, since you can use the DS3 with the PSP Go how come we can't remote play all the games now? The PSP Go is a polished turd if I ever saw one.

[starmask2k3]

wow! TMK loves the PSP Go! Imagine that.....

being able to use a DS3 with the Go makes it worth the $250? How about the fact that you need a $300 console to sync them together? Also, since you can use the DS3 with the PSP Go how come we can't remote play all the games now? The PSP Go is a polished turd if I ever saw one.

want games cant you remote play with

and who didnt have a PS3 aready when they got a PSP

[RelentlessRolento]

Now I really wish I didn't buy MotorStorm: AE on UMD, since I'd rather play that on my Go now (I might just buy the download also, lol).


If anything, sell the UMD one you have and then use the money to get PSN credit.

[Dead of Knight]

I absolutely love the PSP Go, which is all I've been playing and messing with all day. I copied over all my datasaves (deleted what I did not need). Re-downloaded all of my previous PSN downloads to my PSP Go, along with buy some other games. I love the added bluetooth where I can use a PS3 controller on the PSP Go (felt great controlling some PSP games with a PS3 controller). IMO, that reason alone made the Go worth $250. Plan to buy component cables next. Tried my headphones to my PSP-1000 and 2000 and it worked. I'm starting to wish I didn't buy so many UMDs previously because its so much nicer playing games on the HDD not dealing with UMD load hiccups or noises. I love its smaller size that makes listening to MP3s MUCH easier.

I did get the Pearl White SKU today. Had a lot of problems finding it since most stores only got black in. After my PS3 slim, best purchase I made all year. :D

Now I really wish I didn't buy MotorStorm: AE on UMD, since I'd rather play that on my Go now (I might just buy the download also, lol).

Ok, now I am 99.9% certain that you work for Sony.

:lol:

[Paco]

I absolutely love the PSP Go, which is all I've been playing and messing with all day. I copied over all my datasaves (deleted what I did not need). Re-downloaded all of my previous PSN downloads to my PSP Go, along with buy some other games. I love the added bluetooth where I can use a PS3 controller on the PSP Go (felt great controlling some PSP games with a PS3 controller). IMO, that reason alone made the Go worth $250. Plan to buy component cables next. Tried my headphones to my PSP-1000 and 2000 and it worked. I'm starting to wish I didn't buy so many UMDs previously because its so much nicer playing games on the HDD not dealing with UMD load hiccups or noises. I love its smaller size that makes listening to MP3s MUCH easier.

I did get the Pearl White SKU today. Had a lot of problems finding it since most stores only got black in. After my PS3 slim, best purchase I made all year. :D

Now I really wish I didn't buy MotorStorm: AE on UMD, since I'd rather play that on my Go now (I might just buy the download also, lol).

Does sony pay you PER COMMENT or something because I don't understand how you can pay for all this shit without working a job that makes 20 dollars an hour minimum. The amount of games you buy and consoles and all that shit is just flabbergasting when you were unemployed for how long? Does Sony give you an extra bonus for every GO you promote? Just curious because if you do get paid per positive sony comment, i want in.

[Gothic Walrus]

So, Kotaku is making a big deal out of (probably) nothing (http://kotaku.com/5373693/digital-rentals-built-in-to-pspgo) - they're running an article about the "expiration date" sort in the PSPgo, which I believe has been around for a while. As many things as Sony has done wrong with the PSPgo, I don't think they're about to start selling games with expiration dates.

Demos or rentals are another possibility, although if they charge as much for digital rentals as Microsoft, Amazon, and Apple do, I don't think I'd ever put money into that.

and who didnt have a PS3 aready when they got a PSP

You...you're serious, aren't you? #-o

[FriskyTanuki]

They've used them for betas on the PS3 and it'll probably be used for rentals on the PSP.

You should've posted a quote of when that ars technica guy goes nuts over the power cord, GW. :lol:

[chakan]

Yeah! I was waiting for TMK to post in this thread! Are component cables available yet, anyway?

[Malik112099]

want games cant you remote play with

You can't remote play with 99.9% of them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Play


Games/Software which are compatible with Remote Play include:

Aqua Vita (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqua_Vita_(video_game))/Aquatopia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquatopia_(video_game)) (PSN game)
Bejeweled 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bejeweled_2) (PSN game)
Bionic Commando Rearmed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bionic_Commando_Rearmed) (PSN game/demo)
BlazBlue: Calamity Trigger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlazBlue:_Calamity_Trigger) (BD game)
High Stakes on the Vegas Strip: Poker Edition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Stakes_on_the_Vegas_Strip:_Poker_Edition) (PSN game)
Imabikisou (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imabikisou) (BD game/PSN demo)
Lair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lair_(video_game)) (BD game)
LEGO Batman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lego_Batman:_The_Video_Game) (BD game)
Life with PlayStation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_with_PlayStation) (PSN software)
Mainichi Issho (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainichi_Issho) (PSN game)
Misato Katsuragi's Reporting Plan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misato_Katsuragi%27s_Reporting_Plan) (PSN game)
PixelJunk Eden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PixelJunk_Eden) (PSN game/demo)
PixelJunk Monsters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PixelJunk_Monsters) (PSN game/demo)
PlayStation 1 games (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_1_games) (CD games/demos, PSN games/demos)
PlayTV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayTV) (BD software/PSN demo)
SingStar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SingStar) (BD game)
SingStar Vol. 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SingStar_Vol._2) (BD game)
SingStar ABBA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SingStar_ABBA) (BD game)
VidZone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VidZone) (PSN software)
Zuma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuma_(video_game)) (PSN demo)

Restricted Media
There are some types of media that cannot be accessed through Remote Play, they include:[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Play#cite_note-PS3_.7C_About_remote_play-9)

Super Audio CDs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Audio_CD) (Super Audio CDs can be played back if the model supports it. If PSP is selected in Audio Output Device the music will be downmixed to low resolution 2 channel stereo.)
Blu-ray Disc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc) movies
DVD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD) movies
Copyright-protected video files
Playstation 2 Games
PlayStation Home (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_Home)



WEAK FUCKING SAUCE

[pete5883]

How the hell does Remote Play Singstar work??

[RedvsBlue]

How the hell does Remote Play Singstar work??

You can use the PSP to buy new songs... By far the lamest remote play of all.

[LinkinPrime]

I suggest you look into alternative programs if you want more control over your conversions. PSP VC is probably the best one out there, and I'm sure the latest updates support the Go. You should be able to speed up your conversions by playing with the multi-proc support, among other things. It also allows joining several video files into one file, subtitles, volume adjustment, screen size and visual quality. I've been using it for a while without hassle.

http://pspvc.nswardh.com/

BTW, this was the best software that I've downloaded...works like a charm. Thank you so much!

[FriskyTanuki]

:lol: @ Getting update over remote playable games. You know why you can't remote play all PS3 games? The same reason you don't want to remote play PS1 games, which is lag.

[Gothic Walrus]

You can use the PSP to buy new songs... By far the lamest remote play of all.

So, if we remove Singstar from the list (which I think we can all agree is fair to do), that leaves us with four games and a TV tuner. One is a visual novel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imabikisou), which doesn't scream "game" to me. That leaves Lego Batman (which could have been released on last generation's hardware, if Lego Star Wars is any proof), Lair (which sucks (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps3/lair)), and BlazBlue.

That's not a very impressive list. :lol:

[FriskyTanuki]

Four? I count ten games on that list, so what's your spin on the list.

[J7.]

Remote play is a novelty we're lucky to have any games with it at all. It's like Vision Support or Eyetoy Support, it's limited by the technology.

[Malik112099]

Remote play is a novelty we're lucky to have any games with it at all. It's like Vision Support or Eyetoy Support, it's limited by the technology.


Whatever. It is bullshit for them to say "hey! look what this can do!" and then only do it 3 or 4 times then pray you forget about it. There is a company out there making claims that OnLive can stream games to your tv/pc with little to no lag and we cant even get fucking remote play going?

[The Mana Knight]

I just tried playing my PSP Go on my TV (using the PSP Go component cables). I also paired an old PS3 SIXAXIS controller with the Go. I just played GT PSP and Fate/Unlimited Codes, but not using my PSP Go to control it, my SIXAXIS was controlling it (on my HDTV). Worked good IMO. Now I really regret buying the MotorStorm disc since it would really help to use a controller on it at times.

[starmask2k3]

Whatever. It is bullshit for them to say "hey! look what this can do!" and then only do it 3 or 4 times then pray you forget about it. There is a company out there making claims that OnLive can stream games to your tv/pc with little to no lag and we cant even get fucking remote play going?

add pixeljunk eden and bionic commando rearmed and life with playstation to the list

[J7.]

It's bullshit for someone to show a technology off and then only utilize it when it is possible...

OnLive is completely different, what kind of hardware do you think they have running the games on... a server... not a household console, and you need a PC or the OnLive hardware. If you don't live close to their servers your quality is diminished. Each & every high end game requires a GPU on the server side.

[Gothic Walrus]

Four? I count ten games on that list, so what's your spin on the list.

I was just counting the retail titles. I don't know why - it seemed like a good idea at the time. :-?

That said, most of the PSN games in the list aren't that impressive, either. There are a few that make good use of remote playl like Bionic Commando and PixelJunk, but I'm not all that impressed that the PSPgo can play Bejeweled, poker, and Zuma...like pretty much every other phone or mobile device can. I found another list here (http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=psnetwork&message.id=166903) that spells out what some of the titles do with remote play, but again...it doesn't seem like they're making much use of the feature.

add pixeljunk eden and bionic commando rearmed and life with playstation to the list

THOSE ARE ALREADY IN THE LIST, and have been since 10AM, since he hasn't edited the comment.

This is somebody's joke account, right? :shock:

It's bullshit for someone to show a technology off and then only utilize it when it is possible...

Possible? If Lair can do it, I'm pretty sure that there are a lot more games than the ones in that short list that should be capable of it. We're talking about streaming video from the PS3 to the PSP, and sending inputs from the PSP back to the PS3 - unless the PS3 architecture is even more difficult to work with than the developers claim it is, that should be a cakewalk.

I think it's more likely that they aren't doing it because the number of people who have a PS3, a PSP, a setup that allows them to use Remote Play, and that care enough to do it isn't enough to justify the investment.

[starmask2k3]

THOSE ARE ALREADY IN THE LIST, and have been since 10AM, since he hasn't edited the comment.

This is somebody's joke account, right? : my mistake i didnt see them ok

and why the hell are you in a PSP Forums anyway u dont have a PSP or a PS3 the wii and the XBOX360 cant do remote play

[FriskyTanuki]

I was just counting the retail titles. I don't know why - it seemed like a good idea at the time. :-?

That said, most of the PSN games in the list aren't that impressive, either. There are a few that make good use of remote playl like Bionic Commando and PixelJunk, but I'm not all that impressed that the PSPgo can play Bejeweled, poker, and Zuma...like pretty much every other phone or mobile device can. I found another list here (http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=psnetwork&message.id=166903) that spells out what some of the titles do with remote play, but again...it doesn't seem like they're making much use of the feature.
Because it can be impractical and not a good way to spend resources if other parts of the game are in better need of those resources. As I mentioned before, lag is the biggest issue, which kills any chance of action games, shooters, and other fast-paced games regularly using it. Plus, you don't really gain much by doing it since the amount of people that can or want to do it are very small.

Possible? If Lair can do it, I'm pretty sure that there are a lot more games than the ones in that short list that should be capable of it. We're talking about streaming video from the PS3 to the PSP, and sending inputs from the PSP back to the PS3 - unless the PS3 architecture is even more difficult to work with than the developers claim it is, that should be a cakewalk.

I think it's more likely that they aren't doing it because the number of people who have a PS3, a PSP, a setup that allows them to use Remote Play, and that care enough to do it isn't enough to justify the investment.
Lair's pretty much an example of why it's not a great idea to just do it since Factor 5 had plenty of more important things to do besides making their game compatible with remote play. I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that nobody even knew it was RP compatible until a while after the game came out, so you can see how great the marketing/development resources were spent.

The whole process of sending button presses back to the game and then showing the results over a fairly slow wifi connection should be the obvious reason why it's not more common. Remote play's better served as a way to listen to music or watch videos when you're away from your PS3/TV as a simplified media server.

[Gothic Walrus]

Because it can be impractical and not a good way to spend resources if other parts of the game are in better need of those resources. As I mentioned before, lag is the biggest issue, which kills any chance of action games, shooters, and other fast-paced games regularly using it. Plus, you don't really gain much by doing it since the amount of people that can or want to do it are very small.


Lair's pretty much an example of why it's not a great idea to just do it since Factor 5 had plenty of more important things to do besides making their game compatible with remote play. I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that nobody even knew it was RP compatible until a while after the game came out, so you can see how great the marketing/development resources were spent.

The whole process of sending button presses back to the game and then showing the results over a fairly slow wifi connection should be the obvious reason why it's not more common. Remote play's better served as a way to listen to music or watch videos when you're away from your PS3/TV as a simplified media server.

Thank you. Honestly, lag didn't occur to me...although given that the Go only ships with 802.11b, that's probably the primary reason.

Given that the PS3 seems to focus on the fast-paced titles that don't work for remote play, I'm not sure why they bothered with the feature in the first place. It just doesn't seem like there are many situations where it's useful, and so far the list of titles that support it has shown that. :-s

my mistake i didnt see them ok

and why the hell are you in a PSP Forums anyway u dont have a PSP or a PS3 the wii and the XBOX360 cant do remote play

I'm here because I was interested in the PSPgo, and because new hardware launches are always interesting to watch. They don't happen very often, and we've never had a launch like this. Digital distribution on this scale is entirely new...and honestly, I can't think of any other companies who have made this many mistakes prior to the launch of new hardware.

If you didn't notice, most of the people in the thread with the exception of you, TMK and a few others have been against the PSPgo, and only a minority of the people still posting here actually own the new system. It isn't just me. People like to watch trainwrecks, and as Ars Technica so eloquently illustrated, that's what the PSPgo is shaping up to be so far.

[Malik112099]

I just tried playing my PSP Go on my TV (using the PSP Go component cables). I also paired an old PS3 SIXAXIS controller with the Go. I just played GT PSP and Fate/Unlimited Codes, but not using my PSP Go to control it, my SIXAXIS was controlling it (on my HDTV). Worked good IMO. Now I really regret buying the MotorStorm disc since it would really help to use a controller on it at times.

wow....so you essentially bought your PSP Go to be the world's shittiest DD only home console? Congrats. :applause:



It's bullshit for someone to show a technology off and then only utilize it when it is possible...

OnLive is completely different, what kind of hardware do you think they have running the games on... a server... not a household console, and you need a PC or the OnLive hardware. If you don't live close to their servers your quality is diminished. Each & every high end game requires a GPU on the server side.

Have you ever seen the warhawk/socom/etc servers? Obviously not, cause you would know that they are PS3s.

[token2k6]

People like to watch trainwrecks, and that's what the PSPgo is shaping up to be so far.

trainwreck? I think not, I have been into 5 targets since thursday, not one has a pspGO left in stock and one today had ALL the redeemable cards sold out..a BB I went to on thursday had 50 in each color, a check back at the same store the next day had 12-15 in each color left. I'm pretty sure that everyone who has gotten one has quickly gotten over the UMD-less fact and are happy w/ the digital downloads and how quick it all happens. Not to mention that MediaGO is pretty neat software and the SenseMe applications are something that will set a standard and have Apple scrambling to find something to match it.

so when you think of trainwrecks, only apply that to your life, and not a handheld that will (within the next few months) give everyone a run for the money...

[Gothic Walrus]

trainwreck? I think not, I have been into 5 targets since thursday, not one has a pspGO left in stock and one today had ALL the redeemable cards sold out..a BB I went to on thursday had 50 in each color, a check back at the same store the next day had 12-15 in each color left. I'm pretty sure that everyone who has gotten one has quickly gotten over the UMD-less fact and are happy w/ the digital downloads and how quick it all happens. Not to mention that MediaGO is pretty neat software and the SenseMe applications are something that will set a standard and have Apple scrambling to find something to match it.

so when you think of trainwrecks, only apply that to your life, and not a handheld that will (within the next few months) give everyone a run for the money...

The question is, presuming it really is selling as well as you claim, do you think it's going to keep selling after the initial wave? The reviews on all of the tech and gadget sites and reactions in comments and message boards have been almost universally negative, and if you've got a lot of gamers and nerds who aren't interested, you won't have much of a market at $250.

As for "how quick it all happens"...Ars said it took three hours to go from out of the box to actually playing a game. They also said that you can't do anything else while you're downloading a game, and that the downloads over the 802.11b hardware built into the Go weren't all that fast. I believe them over you.

Media Go might be a nice organizer, but that's about it. If you go back a few pages people weren't happy with it. Proprietary lockdown is bad, and so is having to convert the "compatible" formats to Sony's, at slow speeds.

SensMe does look nice, but Apple's already got their Genius software in iTunes and on the new iPods. The only thing I see that really separates that from SensMe is the lack of presets, and I'm sure Apple's going to add that in eventually.

[RedvsBlue]

trainwreck? I think not, I have been into 5 targets since thursday, not one has a pspGO left in stock and one today had ALL the redeemable cards sold out..a BB I went to on thursday had 50 in each color, a check back at the same store the next day had 12-15 in each color left. I'm pretty sure that everyone who has gotten one has quickly gotten over the UMD-less fact and are happy w/ the digital downloads and how quick it all happens. Not to mention that MediaGO is pretty neat software and the SenseMe applications are something that will set a standard and have Apple scrambling to find something to match it.

so when you think of trainwrecks, only apply that to your life, and not a handheld that will (within the next few months) give everyone a run for the money...

There was an issue with shipping from Sony, company-wide, with Target. None of the stores were getting them in for launch. Those empty shelves you saw weren't because they had sold out but because we never got any in.

[Malik112099]

trainwreck? I think not, I have been into 5 targets since thursday, not one has a pspGO left in stock and one today had ALL the redeemable cards sold out..a BB I went to on thursday had 50 in each color, a check back at the same store the next day had 12-15 in each color left. I'm pretty sure that everyone who has gotten one has quickly gotten over the UMD-less fact and are happy w/ the digital downloads and how quick it all happens. Not to mention that MediaGO is pretty neat software and the SenseMe applications are something that will set a standard and have Apple scrambling to find something to match it.

so when you think of trainwrecks, only apply that to your life, and not a handheld that will (within the next few months) give everyone a run for the money...



I was in my local Walmart today and they had a TON of Go's. And it doesnt happen quickly at all. Did you read the arstechnica review? From unboxing to playing a game it took 3 fucking hours. I'll go buy a 3000 at the same time you buy a Go and I bet that I will be gaming looooooooong before you.

what is this thing gonna give a run for their money?

the DS? nope - that thing sells like crack and no latecomer is going to touch it

the iphone? nope - $.99 iphone games cost $5-6 on the PSP Go for basically the same game and the iphone has already sold millions AND has 10's of thousands of apps readily available

the ipod touch? nope - see above

what the fuck is out there that has to worry about the PSP Go? The fucking N-Gage?


we only need one TMK around here

[FroMann]

People are actually buying this. I'm impressed. I would love to have one, but a 250 dollar system, 15 dollar case, 30 dollar cradle, 100 dollars in games I already own, 10 dollar screen protector, and a 30 dollar cable for my TV is overkill. When you buy Sony. You are getting a great quality product, but also have to pay the Sony price. I hope Sony does this with the next PSP (PSP 2). Until then, I will rock out my Daxter Silver 2000 until the UMD drive or screen goes out.

Maybe if Sony included all that stuff in the 250 dollar bundle more people would actually buy one...

[Javery]

There was an issue with shipping from Sony, company-wide, with Target. None of the stores were getting them in for launch. Those empty shelves you saw weren't because they had sold out but because we never got any in.

LOL. I never root for something to fail but I'm leaning that way with the PSP Go. I'd get one for $100 if they got CFW working.

[token2k6]

There was an issue with shipping from Sony, company-wide, with Target. None of the stores were getting them in for launch. Those empty shelves you saw weren't because they had sold out but because we never got any in.

Fuck well there goes my whole argument base! oh well, I tried!!

also, this 3 hours thing is BS!! I don't know what anyone is talking about. Take it out of box, turn power switch on, go through 5 sliding XMB panels to set your personal info and your done. Download pspMINI (Hero of Sparta) through the PSN network at 43mb, game on in about 15 minutes from unboxing. All you guys are smoking meth to think a little bitty handheld will delay your gaming by three hours! this could not be further from the truth. I bet if I started downloading MotorStorm right now, I'd be online w/in 45 minutes after the download.

and yes, you can't do anything while you're downloading a title, but guess what? You can't on any other PSP and you couldn't on the PS3, until a nice little firmware upgrade allowed you "download in background" does anyone remember this? the pspGO will have this feature by march, mark my words.

[FriskyTanuki]

Thank you. Honestly, lag didn't occur to me...although given that the Go only ships with 802.11b, that's probably the primary reason.

Given that the PS3 seems to focus on the fast-paced titles that don't work for remote play, I'm not sure why they bothered with the feature in the first place. It just doesn't seem like there are many situations where it's useful, and so far the list of titles that support it has shown that. :-s
Because they can, which is why there's a lot of niche technologies/accessories for these consoles. As long as they're not marketing it as an important feature on the level of online play or trophies, I don't see why they should abandon it or anything like that. The good thing is that it lets those with compatible games have more flexibility with where they can play those games.

[RedvsBlue]

Fuck well there goes my whole argument base! oh well, I tried!!

also, this 3 hours thing is BS!! I don't know what anyone is talking about. Take it out of box, turn power switch on, go through 5 sliding XMB panels to set your personal info and your done. Download pspMINI (Hero of Sparta) through the PSN network at 43mb, game on in about 15 minutes from unboxing. All you guys are smoking meth to think a little bitty handheld will delay your gaming by three hours! this could not be further from the truth. I bet if I started downloading MotorStorm right now, I'd be online w/in 45 minutes after the download.

and yes, you can't do anything while you're downloading a title, but guess what? You can't on any other PSP and you couldn't on the PS3, until a nice little firmware upgrade allowed you "download in background" does anyone remember this? the pspGO will have this feature by march, mark my words.

I was merely trying to counter one of your premises that you based your conclusion of the PSP flying off of shelves.

As far as being able to download Hero of Sparta in 15 min. that's all fine and dandy but I don't think a lot of people are going to spend $250 to play a handful of mini games when you can get an iPod touch that does the exact same thing and more.

For the record that was a counter to the second of your major premises that the PSP go is OMGWTFBBQ.

[Javery]

I bet if I started downloading MotorStorm right now, I'd be online w/in 45 minutes after the download.

you can't do anything while you're downloading a title

LOL. For a DL only system this has to be the most horrible description of the way it works - and you are in support of it!!! ;)

[token2k6]

LOL. For a DL only system this has to be the most horrible description of the way it works - and you are in support of it!!! ;)

dude, I was just working the logistics, not sure how big MS:AE is, but lets just say its 800mb, over at least a 10 mbs connection, this would download the game roughly in that time frame of 45 mins to an hour. This has NOTHING to do with the PSP as you would find the same results with any system when downloading something. I think this is pretty fair and accurate at how the downloads work. Once you can DL in the background and use other apps, everything will be a-OK! :)

[Gothic Walrus]

Because they can, which is why there's a lot of niche technologies/accessories for these consoles. As long as they're not marketing it as an important feature on the level of online play or trophies, I don't see why they should abandon it or anything like that. The good thing is that it lets those with compatible games have more flexibility with where they can play those games.

They shouldn't abandon it, no. From the way people were talking about it here, it sounded like they were building it up as a major feature. Shows what I get for believing the boards for once. ;)

also, this 3 hours thing is BS!! I don't know what anyone is talking about. Take it out of box, turn power switch on, go through 5 sliding XMB panels to set your personal info and your done. Download pspMINI (Hero of Sparta) through the PSN network at 43mb, game on in about 15 minutes from unboxing. All you guys are smoking meth to think a little bitty handheld will delay your gaming by three hours! this could not be further from the truth. I bet if I started downloading MotorStorm right now, I'd be online w/in 45 minutes after the download.

Ars Technica, take it away... (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/reviews/2009/10/psp-go-review-sony-is-charging-you-much-more-for-much-less.ars/3)

A cumbersome process

For a product that is tethered to digital downloads, the process of getting to the content is oddly annoying. There is still no background downloading, which means that once you begin to download a game, you can't do anything else until it is finished. While your mileage may vary, I've often found that downloading files from Sony on both the PSP and PS3 can be a slow affair; a 1GB file can sometimes take an hour or more to pull down. For instant gratification junkies, that's no fun... especially when you can't play another game to pass the time.

Even worse, if you lose your signal or get disconnected, your progress is not saved. It took me a few tries to download the entirety of Gran Turismo on the PSP— for some reason, the hardware lost the connection to my wireless router, and each time I had to begin from scratch. That's incredibly annoying, especially when the wireless technology inside the system is somewhat stale.

For some reason, Sony went with the positively ancient 802.11b, which is the same as previous models. For $250, that couldn't have been bumped up to 802.11g? Or even -n? The entire point of the PSP Go hinges on the wireless, digital aspect of the hardware, so why is that hardware so outdated? Why is downloading a game made to be as annoying as possible?

Getting started is a pain

This is petty, but I love new hardware. I love the look of it, I love the smell of it, I love taking it out of the box for the first time and playing a game. The problem is that the PSP Go doesn't want you to play with it. In fact, you need to carve out a significant amount of time before you get to the gaming.

On the PSP, Sony requires you to install each update before playing games. After the system was first powered on and connected to our wireless router, we were told that an update was required before we could go online and download a game. So we downloaded the update, which was a speedy affair. After the system rebooted, it told us that, although the system was plugged into a wall socket, the update could not be installed until the batteries were fully charged.

So the system had to charge, and then the update was installed. But then of course you have to download a game, since you can't use any of your UMD software, and that takes a while. But then the system disconnected from my network randomly because the 802.11b hardware doesn't handle being walked around my house very well, so I had to start completely over on the download.

All told, it took around three hours to get to playing an actual game. I passed the time by playing Gran Turismo on the PSP 3000. If you buy a PSP Go, I suggest bringing another video game along to keep yourself occupied while you wait for it to allow you to play something.

Now, keep in mind that the update issue exists on the standard PSP, but if a game required the update you always have the choice of putting in an older UMD that doesn't. You can have the system up and running in minutes. Since you're locked into using Sony's servers to get games for the PSP Go, you'll be forced to get every update they decide to send out, no matter if the game requires it or not, and if your battery isn't fully charged that could take a while.

Again, I believe them over you. They have journalistic experience. You have a message board account.

and yes, you can't do anything while you're downloading a title, but guess what? You can't on any other PSP and you couldn't on the PS3, until a nice little firmware upgrade allowed you "download in background" does anyone remember this? the pspGO will have this feature by march, mark my words.

If you can't do it on other PSPs, why do you think the Go would have the processing power to be able to do that? Just because the PS3 can doesn't mean the handheld can. :-s

dude, I was just working the logistics, not sure how big MS:AE is, but lets just say its 800mb, over at least a 10 mbs connection, this would download the game roughly in that time frame of 45 mins to an hour. This has NOTHING to do with the PSP as you would find the same results with any system when downloading something. I think this is pretty fair and accurate at how the downloads work. Once you can DL in the background and use other apps, everything will be a-OK! :)

A data rate of 10 Mbps is a bad assumption. That's close to the MAXIMUM that the 802.11b standard can provide. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11b-1999)

802.11b has a maximum raw data rate of 11 Mbit/s and uses the same CSMA/CA media access method defined in the original standard. Due to the CSMA/CA protocol overhead, in practice the maximum 802.11b throughput that an application can achieve is about 5.9 Mbit/s using TCP and 7.1 Mbit/s using UDP.

Realistically, you'll be getting speeds that are significantly less than what you used in your assumption.

LOL. For a DL only system this has to be the most horrible description of the way it works - and you are in support of it!!! ;)

Agreed. Can't listen to music, can't watch videos, can't do anything but set the system down and walk away...and hope that the download doesn't freeze or drop halfway through so you have to start all over again. How is that desirable at all?

[Stingermck]

Saw plenty of units today at Best Buy and Target.

[Cthulhu8u]

It starts...

http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/04/video-psp-go-hacked-says-hello-world/ (http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/04/video-psp-go-hacked-says-hello-world/)


PS: Glad it worked for you, Linkin ;)

[J7.]

Have you ever seen the warhawk/socom/etc servers? Obviously not, cause you would know that they are PS3s.
I guess you just ignored what I posted about OnLive. It's a completely different comparison based on the technology. I guess those PS3's acting as servers for Warhawk and Socom are actually doing all the game processing on site as well and the PS3's at people's home's are just streaming the game...


Possible? If Lair can do it, I'm pretty sure that there are a lot more games than the ones in that short list that should be capable of it. We're talking about streaming video from the PS3 to the PSP, and sending inputs from the PSP back to the PS3 - unless the PS3 architecture is even more difficult to work with than the developers claim it is, that should be a cakewalk.

I think it's more likely that they aren't doing it because the number of people who have a PS3, a PSP, a setup that allows them to use Remote Play, and that care enough to do it isn't enough to justify the investment.
It's some of both. Remember Lair was a big budget game, but yes there are other games that probably could utilize it. Probably many that did not have the budget or time to try to. But lag is a problem and often it is probably not possible to get a game running well for remote play, or not enough time to get it to run well enough. People should think about all of the reasons and not get so pissed because not every game has remote play. I see Frisky posted something similar.


Given that the PS3 seems to focus on the fast-paced titles that don't work for remote play, I'm not sure why they bothered with the feature in the first place. It just doesn't seem like there are many situations where it's useful, and so far the list of titles that support it has shown that. :-s

Despite not trying remote play yet, I am glad they bothered with it and may utilize it for listening to music, videos, or PS1 games (I wonder if it works for PS1 discs too). It was something they saw that was possible and rather than just say let's never use that, let's make it possible and let developers use it if they want to, that's always a good thing. Maybe we'll see better use of it too, or maybe we won't, but the possibility is there.

The question is, presuming it really is selling as well as you claim, do you think it's going to keep selling after the initial wave? The reviews on all of the tech and gadget sites and reactions in comments and message boards have been almost universally negative, and if you've got a lot of gamers and nerds who aren't interested, you won't have much of a market at $250.

As for "how quick it all happens"...Ars said it took three hours to go from out of the box to actually playing a game. They also said that you can't do anything else while you're downloading a game, and that the downloads over the 802.11b hardware built into the Go weren't all that fast. I believe them over you.

The price is going to drop very quickly. $250 is for the first adopters who don't care so much about the price. I agree a lot of what has occurred is like a train wreck, but they won't need to sell a lot to profit off the Go. Anyone with a brain should let the game download when they're not using the system. I think the Go will sell very badly until it gets a lot cheaper, but the thing is set up for profitability from the start.


As far as being able to download Hero of Sparta in 15 min. that's all fine and dandy but I don't think a lot of people are going to spend $250 to play a handful of mini games when you can get an iPod touch that does the exact same thing and more.
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I hate comparison to Ipod because the Iphone and PSP are two different markets, like the Wii and 360/PS3. Given that, you are right Ipod offers more. For a gamer like me though, I cannot stand most Ipod games due to lack of any controls other than touch. I think a true gamer would pick PSP over Ipod if they're looking for a game system.

[token2k6]

^^ that was epic! good job!! I was thinking the same thing on the last issue as a response to pspMini's button controls to i-pod touch only control playability, which just sucks. However, it seems that the pspGO might be destined for a touch screen in the future. Oh how I'm tempted to fool with it when its shut (it does more than just a clock or calendar, it allows you to maintain playback of movies and music, which nobody has ever seemed to mention) This would definitely trump everything else on the market.

Hey, you guys wanna know what I'm doing right now? I'm playing my pspGO!! and Media Go is detecting in the background 9600 mp3 files to add SenseMe tags to them so I can generate custom playlists unlike ever before and with ease. Yeah, life is good.

[Malik112099]

It starts...

http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/04/video-psp-go-hacked-says-hello-world/ (http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/04/video-psp-go-hacked-says-hello-world/)


PS: Glad it worked for you, Linkin ;)


Not even close....

Of course, the whole thing is pretty rudimentary, the result of exploiting a known bug in an existing PSP game (which this particular hacker is remaining tight-lipped about rather than see Sony patch the thing). Karl B., who helped us to this one, provides a caveat: "It's user-mode only, meaning no flash modification, no piracy, no advanced custom themes, no plug-ins -- none of that."

It is based on a game which can probably be patched (the reason why he is not saying the game) and you cant do anything worth while. Does everyone not realize that this thing is basically the PSP-3000 with even less accessability (sp?) to CFW? No easy battery removal and no umd drive = harder to hack. The simple fact that the PSP-3000 still isnt fully hacked should tell you that the PSP Go is going to be even harder to break.

[h3llbring3r]

I hate comparison to Ipod because the Iphone and PSP are two different markets, like the Wii and 360/PS3.

You may hate it but it's accurate, and with the similar price points and comparable utility it's appropriate.

Since the PSPgo is being marketed as a mobile media device (unlike the DS) and has completely abandoned the option physical media, it makes it a much more apples to apples comparison than DS.

For a gamer like me though, I cannot stand most Ipod games due to lack of any controls other than touch. I think a true gamer would pick PSP over Ipod if they're looking for a game system.


The dual analog touch controls seem to be getting more refined with each set of games released. As an example: Terminator Salvation proved a huge advancement over the likes previous dual analog touch controls like Prey, making for a truly impressive control experience- I forgot I was even using touch at all. Let's also not discount the accelerometer as an additional part of the Touch/iPhone's control set. While its use was very cumbersome initially, it also has been much more refined in terms of both accuracy and useful implementation- a great example for this is F.A.S.T. and the newer iterations of racing games. Anyone who disregards the flexibility of the touch control sets hasn't played any of the newer titles, as I stated above the vast improvements made in just the past few months have turned me around on that one.

As much as I loathe Apple for gaming; the Touch/iPhone an undeniable beast of a gaming machine with a powerful processor set and a variety of input options (which are really unlimited in terms of configuration with the touch screen, unlike physical buttons). This doesn't even take into account several of the small BT controllers that are being developed (which makes the physical input/control issue on the verge being moot, and may even prove unnecessary if the developers keep refining the touch control sets).

Combine those facts with the gigantic pool of developers, colossal community and gigantic user base coupled with the lowest cost of software distribution of any gaming platform and it becomes clear the Touch/iPhone is the platform to beat for the PSPgo- not the DS.

[Malik112099]

It doesnt matter what the PSP Go is after. The DS consistently sells every month like it just came out not to mention the DSi just came out. Also, the iphone/ipod already has a colossal library of apps out right now. No, an unfathomablefuckinginsane amount of apps out right now. Full MSRP for DD games is shit. The PSP Mini's are horribly gimped (no network or online features, no downloadable content and no peripheral support) and are $4-5 more expensive than their iPhone counterparts which get more and more advanced with every FW update.

The PSP Go is the "I Am Rich" app of portable gaming hardware.

[Gothic Walrus]

The price is going to drop very quickly. $250 is for the first adopters who don't care so much about the price. I agree a lot of what has occurred is like a train wreck, but they won't need to sell a lot to profit off the Go. Anyone with a brain should let the game download when they're not using the system. I think the Go will sell very badly until it gets a lot cheaper, but the thing is set up for profitability from the start.

The really fun dynamic for Sony is going to be deciding when to drop the price. If they do it too soon, they might have a situation like Apple did when they cut the price of the first-gen iPhones two months after launch (http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/09/05/iphone.price.drop.redux/) and everybody who bought one during those two months revolted. If they wait too long, the PSPgo might die at retail.

Cutting the price sooner is obviously desirable for most of us, but it might come with the cost of alienating anyone who was an early adopter. My guess would be early next year - maybe at CES in January - but that's just me.

^^ that was epic! good job!! I was thinking the same thing on the last issue as a response to pspMini's button controls to i-pod touch only control playability, which just sucks. However, it seems that the pspGO might be destined for a touch screen in the future. Oh how I'm tempted to fool with it when its shut (it does more than just a clock or calendar, it allows you to maintain playback of movies and music, which nobody has ever seemed to mention) This would definitely trump everything else on the market.

If Sony was going to include a touch screen on the PSPgo, they would've already done it. It would have been a significant selling point over the PSP 3000 - maybe the only significant selling point - and they've already got (http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/07/sony-touchscreen-walkman-nwz-x1000-oled-players-hands-on/) the technology (http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/sony-touchscreen-vaio-this-fall-playstation-network-and-reader/).

And even more than a quick price drop, adding something as big as a touch screen to the Go would piss off early adopters. If it happens, it's going to happen years from now, if Sony's smart about it.

[J7.]

You may hate it but it's accurate, and with the similar price points and comparable utility it's appropriate.

Since the PSPgo is being marketed as a mobile media device (unlike the DS) and has completely abandoned the option physical media, it makes it a much more apples to apples comparison than DS.




The dual analog touch controls seem to be getting more refined with each set of games released. As an example: Terminator Salvation proved a huge advancement over the likes previous dual analog touch controls like Prey, making for a truly impressive control experience- I forgot I was even using touch at all. Let's also not discount the accelerometer as an additional part of the Touch/iPhone's control set. While its use was very cumbersome initially, it also has been much more refined in terms of both accuracy and useful implementation- a great example for this is F.A.S.T. and the newer iterations of racing games. Anyone who disregards the flexibility of the touch control sets hasn't played any of the newer titles, as I stated above the vast improvements made in just the past few months have turned me around on that one.

As much as I loathe Apple for gaming; the Touch/iPhone an undeniable beast of a gaming machine with a powerful processor set and a variety of input options (which are really unlimited in terms of configuration with the touch screen, unlike physical buttons). This doesn't even take into account several of the small BT controllers that are being developed (which makes the physical input/control issue on the verge being moot, and may even prove unnecessary if the developers keep refining the touch control sets).

Combine those facts with the gigantic pool of developers, colossal community and gigantic user base coupled with the lowest cost of software distribution of any gaming platform and it becomes clear the Touch/iPhone is the platform to beat for the PSPgo- not the DS.
I disagree that Iphone & PSP Go are vying for the same marketbase. Iphone are more for 25-35 year old's interested in music, apps, and other online connectivity, whereas PSP is more for the 15-24 year old crowd. People don't buy Iphone especially for gaming and people don't buy PSP especially for music, those are just things they use in addition to their main reason for buying each. Sure Iphone & PSP will appeal to the other's main userbase but not anywhere near enough to say they're vying for the same marketbase on the whole. The way of getting the content is apples to apples, but the actual content is still quite different, outside of the Minis. The userbase of the Iphone illustrates the different marketbase, it is quite large and the majority of those people bought it before it had any games worth looking at.

I played some games on my friends Ipod and I absolutely hated the controls on Wolfenstein, some racing game I forget the name of, and whatever else I played. If they've really improved that much then maybe I would be able to find some games that are actually playable to me. I'll have to try it again.

I really doubt I'd enjoy using an addon peripheral controller attached to the Ipod. No matter how good they can get touch controls to replicate buttons and such, I'll always take d-pad, analog, and buttons over it anyday for that tactile feel and response.

Apple is doing very well, but they need to adapt better controls on one of their models and foster more substantial games to get the core game users. They don't even need them though. I do agree the processor power it has is very good.

[Ecofreak]

Well, I'm glad that Gothic Walrus and Malik have found their calling in the CAG forums -- spend an exorbitant amount of time crapping on the PSP Go (warranted, though it may be). Maybe you two should start your own podcast or video blog about this topic, since you're both so opinionated and love to share your thoughts with the world.

My recommendation to you two -- actually try using the blasted device for a prolonged period of time; or else, your opinions are largely conjecture and you're no better than the gaming analysts that we all love to mock & ridicule.

My Impressions:

Background:
1) Never owned a PSP previously (thought it felt too cramped)
2) Paid $100 out of pocket due to Amazon.com's trade-in promotion earlier this summer
3) Set-up was fairly painless (did have one dropped download, but no other issues).

Positives
1) Surprisingly comfortable for a guy w/ long fingers
2) Extremely impressive screen quality
3) Attractive form factor
4) Appreciate being able to use Dual Shock
5) PSP Game Pausing is a fantastic feature (never liked the idea of having my DS in prolonged sleep mode should I forget about it, battery dies, and then lose my game)
5) Older games are actually competitively priced on PSN.
Example: God of War -- Chains of Olympus
PSN: $15.99 || Amazon.com (used): $5.25 + $7.99 Shipping = $13.24

Negatives
1) Takes longer to install games than I expected (2 min for a 80 MB game. Really?)
2) Shorter battery life than a DS
3) Quietest volume level isn't quiet enough.

Final Verdict: Promising, but too early to call. The PSP Go absolutely won't sell like gangbusters @ the full $250 (I certainly wouldn't have bought it full price). But I can see it gaining market share as the price drops, and Sony (probably better than any of the big Three) understand the importance of price drops. They're just gauging poor souls who are willing to pay the premium now, and again, have opening admitted this.

I still expect a price drop of >=$50 by early next year, with maybe another one by next Christmas. Why? Because a shaving company makes money off the blades, not the razor itself. And I think the greater comfort and better form factor will make the PSP Go a better choice than the PSP Phat when they reach price parity.

[h3llbring3r]

I disagree that Iphone & PSP Go are vying for the same marketbase. Iphone are more for 25-35 year old's interested in music, apps, and other online connectivity, whereas PSP is more for the 15-24 year old crowd. People don't buy Iphone especially for gaming and people don't buy PSP especially for music, those are just things they use in addition to their main reason for buying each. Sure Iphone & PSP will appeal to the other's main userbase but not anywhere near enough to say they're vying for the same marketbase on the whole. The way of getting the content is apples to apples, but the actual content is still quite different, outside of the Minis. The userbase of the Iphone illustrates the different marketbase, it is quite large and the majority of those people bought it before it had any games worth looking at.
Now you are just pulling numbers out of your butt. The touch nails exactly the age demo you are talking about for the PSPgo:
69% of iPod touch users are between ages 13-24, while 74% of iPhone users are older than 25 (http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/06/16/you-iphone-me-ipod-touch/)
#-o


If they've really improved that much then maybe I would be able to find some games that are actually playable to me. I'll have to try it again. Yep.


I really doubt I'd enjoy using an addon peripheral controller attached to the Ipod. No matter how good they can get touch controls to replicate buttons and such, I'll always take d-pad, analog, and buttons over it anyday for that tactile feel and response.
Riiiiiight, because no one has raved about using the DS3 with the PSPgo. :roll:

[J7.]

The really fun dynamic for Sony is going to be deciding when to drop the price. If they do it too soon, they might have a situation like Apple did when they cut the price of the first-gen iPhones two months after launch (http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/09/05/iphone.price.drop.redux/) and everybody who bought one during those two months revolted. If they wait too long, the PSPgo might die at retail.

Cutting the price sooner is obviously desirable for most of us, but it might come with the cost of alienating anyone who was an early adopter. My guess would be early next year - maybe at CES in January - but that's just me.



If Sony was going to include a touch screen on the PSPgo, they would've already done it. It would have been a significant selling point over the PSP 3000 - maybe the only significant selling point - and they've already got (http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/07/sony-touchscreen-walkman-nwz-x1000-oled-players-hands-on/) the technology (http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/sony-touchscreen-vaio-this-fall-playstation-network-and-reader/).

And even more than a quick price drop, adding something as big as a touch screen to the Go would piss off early adopters. If it happens, it's going to happen years from now, if Sony's smart about it.
Right now I have to agree with Pachter, it will drop sometime early in 2010, possibly as low as $199.99. I think it will happen in March. Sales will be very low after the holidays.

[Malik112099]

I disagree that Iphone & PSP Go are vying for the same marketbase. Iphone are more for 25-35 year old's interested in music, apps, and other online connectivity, whereas PSP is more for the 15-24 year old crowd.


http://www.theesa.com/facts/index.asp


The average game player is 35 years old and has been playing games for 12 years.
The average age of the most frequent game purchaser is 39 years old.



you were saying?

[J7.]

http://www.theesa.com/facts/index.asp




you were saying?
I'm well aware of those statistics. First of all the reason game purchaser is so old is because a lot of parents skew the statistics for who is purchasing games. Kid's can't buy games so their parents do, double effect.

Second, the statistics for avg age of a game player reflects games played on all devices (consoles, portables, PC's, Ipods, etc).

So it includes grandpas player solitare, grandmas playing bingo, dads playing poker, jonny playing psp, billy playing ds, corey playing ps2, mike playing ps3, soccer mom's playing zuma, etc.

The point being each device has a core userbase, and psp's userbase age skews lower compared to the avg age for games played on all devices...

Now you are just pulling numbers out of your butt. The touch nails exactly the age demo you are talking about for the PSPgo:
#-o

Yep.


Riiiiiight, because no one has raved about using the DS3 with the PSPgo. :roll:
Okay so I was wrong about the age of Ipod Touch owners, but that doesn't tell the whole story. How many Ipod Touches & Iphones have sold? When you combine those userbases that changes the figures. And also how many Ipod Touch owners have bought it specifically for playing games and not for music or anything else?

I didn't rave about it. I wouldn't bother buying another controller to play Ipod games. Nor would I buy a controller for PSP Go, if I already had a DS3 I might use it but only when connecting the PSP to the TV, which I do very rarely to begin with. Anyone who goes out of their way to buy a controller specifically for a portable system probably does not own a console or only owns an Ipod Touch.

[Monsta Mack]

Well from a local store standpoint (I can check sales across my state and I work for the biggest retailer in the word: hint hint) the anti- PSP Go people in this thread will be quite happy to know that the PSP go is indeed bombing pretty hard.

I hate bringing the VGChartz word around here to, but they are claiming some pretty damn low numbers to. Hell I think they are over estimating the sales at a supposed 30k for week one.

I guess we'll see a price drop already in Spring at this rate, or some big promotions in the coming weeks. We'll know for sure next month when the NPD numbers roll out. But they won't be pretty.