PSP Go thread-

[h3llbring3r]

Okay so I was wrong about the age of Ipod Touch owners, but that doesn't tell the whole story. How many Ipod Touches & Iphones have sold? When you combine those userbases that changes the figures.
A percent is a percent man, the larger the user base the more fit that age demo. Considering that the touch now outsells the iPhone, its viability for that age group is undeniable.


And also how many Ipod Touch owners have bought it specifically for playing games and not for music or anything else?

Read the article RE gaming on the Touch specifically: The number two reason the younger demographic decided to buy the go (per the analyst/survey): the big advertising campaign Apple ran last December pushing the touch — and the explosion of games that run on it — as the "funnest iPod ever," a campaign clearly pitched to younger users.

[J7.]

A percent is a percent man, the larger the user base the more fit that age demo. Considering that the touch now outsells the iPhone, its viability for that age group is undeniable.



Read the article RE gaming on the Touch specifically: The number two reason the younger demographic decided to buy the go (per the analyst/survey):
I wasn't talking about Ipod Touch alone I was talking about the entire userbase of Iphone & Ipod Touch. Found some figures:
As of March 2009, 21.4 million iPhones sold.
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/43922/97/
As of September 2009, 20 million Ipod Touches sold.
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2009/04/22results.html
That skews the overall age higher.

I see the #2 reason on the article you posted as Entertainment, which covers basically everything the Ipod Touch offers other than apps and general stuff like calendar etc. I'm sure some bought it for games but not everyone just because some of their huge advertising campaign during Xmas showcased gaming.

I agree now that Ipod Touch appeals to PSP's age group, but that's less than half the Ipod Touch/Iphone userbase and it is also skewed by those purchasing it for things other than games.

[h3llbring3r]

I see the #2 reason on the article you posted as Entertainment, which covers basically everything the Ipod Touch offers other than apps and general stuff like calendar etc.
If you consider calendars and utility apps under the category of entertainment then we don't need to consider debating each other on a point by point basis anymore.
;)

[Sylin]

I hate bringing the VGChartz word around here to, but they are claiming some pretty damn low numbers to. Hell I think they are over estimating the sales at a supposed 30k for week one.

The Go might not being an overnight success, but I'd hardly cite VGChartz as being reliable for anything. They're constantly mocked on many forums for having unreliable/unsubstantiated data.

[J7.]

If you consider calendars and utility apps under the category of entertainment then we don't need to consider debating each other on a point by point basis anymore.
;)
You need to go back and reread what I typed.

I see the #2 reason on the article you posted as Entertainment, which covers basically everything the Ipod Touch offers other than apps and general stuff like calendar etc

I think I'm going to take a break debating anything with you and go play Uncharted again. It's a lot more fun than arguing with you!

[h3llbring3r]

LOL, touche. The long day has definitely gotten to me.

It still doesn't change the fact that both are being pitched as general entertainment devices that "let you access games, videos, music and photos at any time and share them with friends."

[aihuman]

Not even close....



It is based on a game which can probably be patched (the reason why he is not saying the game) and you cant do anything worth while. Does everyone not realize that this thing is basically the PSP-3000 with even less accessability (sp?) to CFW? No easy battery removal and no umd drive = harder to hack. The simple fact that the PSP-3000 still isnt fully hacked should tell you that the PSP Go is going to be even harder to break.
Before pandora battery there was a software hack.

[Chibi_Kaji]

Saw plenty of units today at Best Buy and Target.
I haven't seen any at my local target. And I don't even think we ever got any in.

[Ivanhoe]

I would really love a Go,
But only at a 199 or less pricepoint followed with a umd 2 digital format adapter.

The Prices are always really high on the PSN store and we have no reason to think that sony will ever drop the price of any of their titles. They have no competition why would they drop any prices?

Meanwhile Umds can be bought new and used for dirt cheap and the PSP 3000 is able to play both Umds and all digital PSN titles and a much less price point.

I would expect a 50dollar drop after the holidays
Or maybe even a 100dollar drop since sales have been dead so far.

[PagingDrUgly]

as an aside...

when PSP2 rolls around, it seems like there is a much higher chance for it to be backwards compatible with PSN DD games then UMD, no? How do you think that will be handled -- or is bc not an issue with Sony anymore?

[Tux.Bobble]

as an aside...

when PSP2 rolls around, it seems like there is a much higher chance for it to be backwards compatible with PSN DD games then UMD, no? How do you think that will be handled -- or is bc not an issue with Sony anymore?


Technically it is much easier to do, you're right. From a hardware perspective, at least. UMD is pretty much a proprietary format, all things considered. If you try to move forward with UMD, you need to keep the exact same physical size, unless you design hardware to read UMD AND something else.

I mean, sure, bluray drives can read standard DVDs. And BR/DVD can read CDs. So in a sense they are all backwards compatible technologies. (other hardware was the limiting factor for PS3 BC, not the BR tech) But given the proprietary nature of handheld physical media, I see the DD push as a way for current games to be played with less hardware overhead/cost in the future. Now, I'm not saying consoles will be CHEAPER in the future, I'm just saying it's MORE LIKELY that we'll get BC with downloadable content, if you ask me.

Edit:Also consider, BC is very important for a handheld if you ask me. Console tech is the "latest, hi-tech" kinda stuff. Handhelds lag behind--PSP < PS3, DS < Wii, etc. (Hardware-wise, not quality-wise, which I won't get into)

The thing is, compared to the home console market, there are a good number of people who just want SOMETHING to kill time with--on that morning commute, on your lunch break, or whenever--see the iPhone/iTouch's gaming success. Now, if you tell these people "you can't play your old games" there will be SOME of those people who will not upgrade at all. (This is what we're seeing with reluctance of people adopting the Go initially now) But, if you tell them their games will be playable, but the tech is fancier, updated, etc., it will entice a lot of more casual players to upgrade. No one wants the cost related with new tech, they just want the new tech. And if new tech eliminates old tech, it's a bit harder of a sale. However, the transition from a digital system to a digital, BC system, will be a lot smoother, and allow a less jarring upgrade process. Thus, for more casual gamers, digital downloads might be the thing they need most.

Now, I'm hardcore and still love the convenience of no discs, as well as the BC that I'm very interested in--without it I'd only participate every other hardware cycle with portables. (which is what I've been doing thus far) I prefer console gaming so having EVERY portable in a line will not be necessary for me unless there's some revolutionary tech involved, or there's BC to ensure that I'll keep my gaming alive in the period where there aren't many killer apps for the new portable.

BC in portables is an important thing to me, and I think digital downloads will only help usher it in long-term.

[doodofdoods]

DD should translate fairly easily to a company's future consoles, if there are any. if there aren't, well that could be it's own problems.

I'm keeping this in mind with my purchases for the PSP. I'm hesitant to buy UMD"s now unless the price is significantly better than the psn price. But if a PSP-4000 comes out with a UMD Drive and a form factor similar to the Go's I'd be more willing to get UMD's because I know I'd have a sweet portable system to play those games on for years to come in the PSP-4000.

[manthing]

DD should translate fairly easily to a company's future consoles, if there are any. if there aren't, well that could be it's own problems.


I really wouldn't count on current DD titles to be supported in the future.

The original Xbox Live Arcade titles not being supported on the 360 is the only real example we have right now.

It will very interesting to see how LIVE/PSN DD games and add-ons are handled on their succesors.

[doodofdoods]

I think the competition is too fierce for any company not to port over their digital library to their next console. Maybe nintendo since their online support is archaic, but sony and microsoft will most certainly be bringing their DD over to the next gen.

[Tux.Bobble]

I really wouldn't count on current DD titles to be supported in the future.

The original Xbox Live Arcade titles not being supported on the 360 is the only real example we have right now.

It will very interesting to see how LIVE/PSN DD games and add-ons are handled on their succesors.

Well, all I'm saying is physical media is one extra hurdle involved in porting games/media forward, and allowing future hardware to support it. I'm not saying anything is guaranteed, of course. But less hurdles = a slightly better chance, even if the chance is very small. I mean let's face it, I didn't see the GameCube playing backwards with N64 games, haha. But disc-to-disc is easier hardware-wise. And file-to-file is even easier because it just becomes a matter of source code/hardware architecture compatibility. (as well as input via controllers, etc., but that's a lesser issue) Obviously the source/hardware architecture compatibility is the BIGGEST issue, but the physical media definitely doesn't hurt, if they're common.

[FriskyTanuki]

I really wouldn't count on current DD titles to be supported in the future.

The original Xbox Live Arcade titles not being supported on the 360 is the only real example we have right now.

It will very interesting to see how LIVE/PSN DD games and add-ons are handled on their succesors.
Didn't it require a disc to access the XBLA marketplace?

[token2k6]

The original Xbox Live Arcade titles not being supported on the 360 is the only real example we have right now.

what...are you talking about? If memory serves me correctly, these games (only about 5 (?)) were pulled for some reason b/c they weren't selling and the publisher chose to agree w/ MSFT and take them down for buying. I thought that if you originally had one of these games, it would still work...this has nothing to do with the 360 not being able to play them, rather a lack of the title's existence (in the here and now)

[manthing]

Didn't it require a disc to access the XBLA marketplace?

Yes.

But the problem with DD on the successors to the 360/PS3/PSP probably won't be method of access, it will be licensing.

We already have enough examples from the Rock Band song imports that sometimes content licenses are a one time deal.


what...are you talking about? If memory serves me correctly, these games (only about 5 (?)) were pulled for some reason b/c they weren't selling and the publisher chose to agree w/ MSFT and take them down for buying. I thought that if you originally had one of these games, it would still work...this has nothing to do with the 360 not being able to play them, rather a lack of the title's existence (in the here and now)

I was just telling people to be cautious regarding digital content's compatibility with future consoles. We have no idea how PSP games bought for a PSPGo will work on a PSP2, were it ever to come out.

The only example on consoles we have is the :xbox: Live Arcade titles not being compatible the 360.

With that, Microsoft gave Ms Pac-Man away for free on the Arcade disc for the :xbox:, but charged $5 for the 360 version.

[Gothic Walrus]

But the problem with DD on the successors to the 360/PS3/PSP probably won't be method of access, it will be licensing.

We already have enough examples from the Rock Band song imports that sometimes content licenses are a one time deal.

"Enough examples?" There were three songs off the first Rock Band that wouldn't transfer. That's it. Three, out of the hundreds that have been released. :roll:

For what it's worth, on this page (http://www.armchairarcade.com/neo/node/2746) there's somebody claiming to be a member of the team that worked on the original version of Live, and he says the disc didn't get to many people compared to the install base. I'm with Tanuki - I think it had more to do with the way the original Xbox Live was set up than anything else.

I think the competition is too fierce for any company not to port over their digital library to their next console. Maybe nintendo since their online support is archaic, but sony and microsoft will most certainly be bringing their DD over to the next gen.

I think you're right here, on pretty much everything. I'm not sure Nintendo's titles will transfer because I'm not sure they CAN transfer, since the Wii doesn't have an equivalent to gamertags.

For Sony and Microsoft, though, I think they're going to transfer.

[manthing]

"Enough examples?" There were three songs off the first Rock Band that wouldn't transfer. That's it. Three, out of the hundreds that have been released. :roll:


Hmm, I thought I put Guitar Hero there as well. Which brings up the number of examples to a few dozen. :booty:

Then there's the DSi having its DSi titles locked to a specific console.

I have no doubt that not being able to bring DD over to a next gen console would be a huge PR shitstorm. All I'm saying is that we have no idea how DD will work if we get new generation consoles.

[h3llbring3r]

Apparently the low launch sales have had an effect:
The UK just got an approximately $40 price cut.
http://worthplaying.com/article/2009/10/5/news/69054/

Edit: This brings the UK price down to the equivalent of about $320.
Maybe a proportionate $25 price drop here, or even better $50 price drop here is possible.
Credit to spiderdog (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6361101&postcount=1) with this find.

[Reichan]

Well i just want to share this:

http://www.qj.net/Hello-world-PSP-Go-hacked-proof-of-concept-video-released/pg/49/aid/134973

Have you checked it out already, opinion? but it still has a long way to go!

[Malik112099]

Well i just want to share this:

http://www.qj.net/Hello-world-PSP-Go-hacked-proof-of-concept-video-released/pg/49/aid/134973

Have you checked it out already, opinion? but it still has a long way to go!


already mentioned and it is a worthless hack.

[aihuman]

already mentioned and it is a worthless hack.
The fact that freeplay(the person in the video) was able to boot unauthorized code is huge.What you call a worthless hack I call progress.

[Malik112099]

The fact that freeplay(the person in the video) was able to boot unauthorized code is huge.What you call a worthless hack I call progress.


Your progress is an already abandoned exploit that this guy decided to tinker with. With it being solely dependent upon one game, if it ever becomes anything of value Sony will find out and immediatley patch it. This isn't progress in the direction you think it is going. This is driving further down the street with a big sign that says "No Outlet."

[Ecofreak]

Apparently the low launch sales have had an effect:
The UK just got an approximately $40 price cut.
http://worthplaying.com/article/2009/10/5/news/69054/

Edit: This brings the UK price down to the equivalent of about $320.
Maybe a proportionate $25 price drop here, or even better $50 price drop here is possible.
Credit to spiderdog (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6361101&postcount=1) with this find.

Sony contradicts your assertion that the Go is selling poorly, by stating that the PSP Go is selling at roughly the same pace as the PSP-300, which itself has seen a 30% increase in sales.

From GamesIndustry.biz (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/sony-pspgo-sales-in-line-with-expectations)

Sony has told GamesIndustry.biz that sales of PSP hardware are up over 120 per cent in the UK, following the launch of the PSPgo.

Sales of the PSP-3000 have also grown, as the hardware benefits from the release of the long-awaited Gran Turismo for PSP on UMD and EA's FIFA 10, which this weekend broke records for the franchise.

"PSPgo has performed in line with our expectations, driving 100 per cent incremental volume for the category and has benefited the broad PSP portfolio with PSP-3000 also enjoying a big lift," said SCEE in a statement.

"PSP software sales also having been a standout with both new releases GT PSP and FIFA 10 performing well."

The new PSPgo launched last Thursday and sells in the UK for around GBP 224.99. Early adopters are able to download a free copy of Gran Turismo PSP until October 10, and UK consumers can also access a deal which allows them to download another three games for free if they register with Sony online.

When contacted by GamesIndustry.biz this morning, Chart-Track in the UK said it would not reveal any independent sales data for the PSPgo.

"It's a new format and we are simply not revealing the figures for public consumption," said director Dorian Bloch.

Update: Sony has clarified that sales of the PSP hardware are up over 120 per cent compared to the previous week. The PSPgo sold as many units as the PSP-3000 during the period.

But I doubt any of this actually matters as most will likely think Sony is lying and the system is bombing regardless.

[Malik112099]

there is obviously going to be a jump in sales with the release of new hardware over the old hardware. Give it a week or 2 and the PSP Go will probably be dead in the water

[J7.]

http://kotaku.com/5374803/some-uk-retailers-discounting-the-pspgo


According to a report from Eurogamer (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/pspgo-discounted-quickly-sharply), at least four retailers in the region are asking less than the £224 suggested retail price. Amazon UK, HMV, Game and Play are playing with the PSPgo's built-in wiggle room pricing, asking £199 for the portable. Is that a reaction to slow sales?

Maybe yes, maybe no. Some of those retailers listed above were selling the PSPgo at £199 before the unit officially went on sale, so it doesn't appear that four days worth of slow movement initiated some sort of panic. Officially, the PSPgo is selling "in line with [Sony's] expectations," according to a report from GamesIndustry.biz (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/sony-pspgo-sales-in-line-with-expectations).

That marked down price may be a reaction, however, to slower pre-orders of the unit. Before the PSPgo launched in Europe and other PAL territories, some retailers appeared hesitant to carry the platform at all.

[h3llbring3r]

But I doubt any of this actually matters as most will likely think Sony is lying and the system is bombing regardless.
Sarcasm noted. I doubt Sony is lying, but I do think that was less of a spike than the retailers had hoped for.

[Cthulhu8u]

Your progress is an already abandoned exploit that this guy decided to tinker with. With it being solely dependent upon one game, if it ever becomes anything of value Sony will find out and immediatley patch it. This isn't progress in the direction you think it is going. This is driving further down the street with a big sign that says "No Outlet."

You obviously didn't own a launch PSP/follow the early scene much. It took a good while for a realistically working exploit to even materialize, after many complicated/bordering-on-useless ones. And even then, the best one didn't materialize until years after launch. Curious coders are quite persistent and a start is a start, Rome wasn't built in a day.

But really, this should be the final comment on such unmentionable endeavours here since this site isn't the forum for such discussions. :hot:

[Ecofreak]

Sarcasm noted. I doubt Sony is lying, but I do think that was less of a spike than the retailers had hoped for.

Given that many retailers in the UK were either 1) Unwilling to stock the system, or 2) Even if they were willing to stock it, didn't market it with any real effort then it's understandable that these two factors (along with the system's high initial price) would result in "reasonable" sales.

The most important thing is that the system sells within Sony's expectations. Why? Because it means they have correctly modeled and understood the customer base and resulting demand. Obviously selling below expectations is a bad thing, but so is selling well above expectations.

Why? Because when my company (for example) exceeds expectations, our stock can potentially go down because investors don't like surprises ("Didn't they understand their position better and resulting sales? What else aren't they accounting for that could both increase and decrease sales). It's counter-intuitive and I had to ask my manager to explain it but it makes sense when you think about it for a while.

[h3llbring3r]

Given that many retailers in the UK were either 1) Unwilling to stock the system, or 2) Even if they were willing to stock it, didn't market it with any real effort then it's understandable that these two factors (along with the system's high initial price) would result in "reasonable" sales.

The most important thing is that the system sells within Sony's expectations. Why? Because it means they have correctly modeled and understood the customer base and resulting demand. Obviously selling below expectations is a bad thing, but so is selling well above expectations.

Why? Because when my company (for example) exceeds expectations, our stock can potentially go down because investors don't like surprises ("Didn't they understand their position better and resulting sales? What else aren't they accounting for that could both increase and decrease sales). It's counter-intuitive and I had to ask my manager to explain it but it makes sense when you think about it for a while.

All true. However, do you have any statements from Sony that enumerates their expected sales target for the PSPgo?

[Ecofreak]

All true. However, do you have any statements from Sony that enumerates their expected sales target for the PSPgo?

Nope -- it's all conjecture at this point. But if you're to believe the figures that Sony revealed in the GamesIndustry.biz article I quoted earlier, then we can trust the PSP Go is selling no worse than the PSP-3000 (a system that costs significantly less than the PSP Go and cheaper games if you buy used).

Given the economic conditions and price disparity, I'd consider this a mild victory especially given the multiple headwinds this system is facing (including very vocal opposition, like Malik & Gothic Walrus).

[J7.]

If I were Sony I'd be happy with any sales that are not near nothing at all given the pricepoint and the fact that people have to buy their games off PSN. I think we may see more of this in the future where early adopters are made to pay a premium or maybe that is another page they took from Apple.

They've taken a lot of shit from Apple (who hasn't lol). And I'd say they took the proprietary peripheral strategy from MS. I'd be surprised if they don't do proprietary everything on PS4. 360 makes a pretty penny from that strategy while making the 360 appear cheaper.

[Ecofreak]

If I were Sony I'd be happy with any sales that are not near nothing at all given the pricepoint and the fact that people have to buy their games off PSN. I think we may see more of this in the future where early adopters are made to pay a premium or maybe that is another page they took from Apple.

They've taken a lot of shit from Apple (who hasn't lol). And I'd say they took the proprietary peripheral strategy from MS. I'd be surprised if they don't do proprietary everything on PS4. 360 makes a pretty penny from that strategy while making the 360 appear cheaper.

The posts in response to this will not be pretty.

[h3llbring3r]

Nope -- it's all conjecture at this point. But if you're to believe the figures that Sony revealed in the GamesIndustry.biz article I quoted earlier, then we can trust the PSP Go is selling no worse than the PSP-3000 (a system that costs significantly less than the PSP Go and cheaper games if you buy used).

Indeed, no worse than the PSP3k "is what it is." My point was any company claiming SKU is "meeting expectations" is in essence a meaningless statement, unless you publicly stated a target (say matching 50% of your competition . . .etc.).

Personally, I find the the bump in the PSP3k more intriguing (as I expect any big three branded hardware item to sell well the first month of launch, regardless of longevity), is it an overall renewed interest in the platform or fear of physical media's demise on the platform driving the 3Ks sales boost? (Anecdotally, I know I found myself much more interested in where my loaned out PSP2k was and what condition it was in. Which makes me inclined to think it is the latter).

[J7.]

The posts in response to this will not be pretty.
Which part of it?

I'd like to see if the GT bundle will have any effect on 3000 sales.

If anyone still wants a Core 1000, there's 1 left that is fulfilled by Amazon with FSS, only $399.99!
http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-Portable-Core-PSP-1000-sony/dp/B000F2DE8S/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1254801649&sr=8-8

[Reichan]

already mentioned and it is a worthless hack.


Well all i can say is, First step on planning to plant a CFW,

[J7.]

http://psp.ign.com/articles/103/1032883p1.html#
"In the three days since the Oct. 1 launch of PSPgo, our top retail partners experienced a 300 percent lift in PSP hardware sales compared to the prior week same period."

The company said it saw a massive spike in digital sales over the past week in North America, and expects the momentum to continue into the holiday.

"The launch of the PSPgo has generated a significant increase in revenue for PlayStation Network, driven by a 200 percent lift in PSP game downloads purchased from PlayStation Store," the spokesperson added.

[Gothic Walrus]

http://psp.ign.com/articles/103/1032883p1.html#
"In the three days since the Oct. 1 launch of PSPgo, our top retail partners experienced a 300 percent lift in PSP hardware sales compared to the prior week same period."

The company said it saw a massive spike in digital sales over the past week in North America, and expects the momentum to continue into the holiday.

"The launch of the PSPgo has generated a significant increase in revenue for PlayStation Network, driven by a 200 percent lift in PSP game downloads purchased from PlayStation Store," the spokesperson added.

Three things that struck me:

First, they say "PSP hardware." They don't specify a breakdown between the 3000 and the Go, which I would really like to see.

Second, what qualifies as a "top retail partner?" What doesn't that include?

Third, I'm not 100% on this, but...
experienced a 300 percent lift in PSP hardware sales compared to the prior week same period.
...if I'm interpreting that awkward wording correctly, it means that they had a 300% sales increase over the previous week. If anything, wouldn't the sales from the previous week be down from whatever their "normal" is because they had an impending launch of new hardware? If I was in the market for a PSP, knew the Go was coming out and was interested, I'd be willing to wait a week before I spent the money.

Branching off that, it doesn't mean much to tell us they had a 300% increase without mentioning where they began. Hypothetically, if they sold one PSP last week and three this week, that's a 300% increase.

At best, that's a puff quote. I want to see real sales data before Sony declares this thing a success.

[mykevermin]

A 300% jump is pretty independent of the PSP Go, I'd say. It represents a several *thousand* percent increase in the number of downloadable items on the PSP, so a boost is pretty fuckin' obvious.

[Malik112099]

Is J7 some sort of TMK understudy?

[fujishig]

Three things that struck me:

First, they say "PSP hardware." They don't specify a breakdown between the 3000 and the Go, which I would really like to see.

Second, what qualifies as a "top retail partner?" What doesn't that include?

Third, I'm not 100% on this, but...

...if I'm interpreting that awkward wording correctly, it means that they had a 300% sales increase over the previous week. If anything, wouldn't the sales from the previous week be down from whatever their "normal" is because they had an impending launch of new hardware? If I was in the market for a PSP, knew the Go was coming out and was interested, I'd be willing to wait a week before I spent the money.

Branching off that, it doesn't mean much to tell us they had a 300% increase without mentioning where they began. Hypothetically, if they sold one PSP last week and three this week, that's a 300% increase.

At best, that's a puff quote. I want to see real sales data before Sony declares this thing a success.

Didn't they just put a couple dozen titles on the PSP store this week as well, including the NIS sale games (besides Holy Badman, which was there before)? How many games were available before? And does this include the mini games?

[mykevermin]

Nearly 100 UMD games went up, not counting the PSP Minis.

[fujishig]

Nearly 100 UMD games went up, not counting the PSP Minis.

Then that 200% increase is actually a pretty sad number. I know I bought two games after having never bought a PSP downloadable before, but that was because of the NIS sale.

[h3llbring3r]

Three things that struck me:

First, they say "PSP hardware." They don't specify a breakdown between the 3000 and the Go, which I would really like to see.

Second, what qualifies as a "top retail partner?" What doesn't that include?

Third, I'm not 100% on this, but...

...if I'm interpreting that awkward wording correctly, it means that they had a 300% sales increase over the previous week. If anything, wouldn't the sales from the previous week be down from whatever their "normal" is because they had an impending launch of new hardware? If I was in the market for a PSP, knew the Go was coming out and was interested, I'd be willing to wait a week before I spent the money.


It is interesting the way they worded that statement, "prior week same period." When I skimmed it, I thought it was saying the same week of last year's sales which would be prior year's period same week- but when you reread it you seem correct. I think I was nearly Jedi mind tricked.

[Chibi_Kaji]

Despite me knowing better I might end up getting a PSP go within the next week.... The Target I work at actually got a few in so I can get %10(about $25) off of one.

[RedvsBlue]

Three things that struck me:

First, they say "PSP hardware." They don't specify a breakdown between the 3000 and the Go, which I would really like to see.

Second, what qualifies as a "top retail partner?" What doesn't that include?

Third, I'm not 100% on this, but...

...if I'm interpreting that awkward wording correctly, it means that they had a 300% sales increase over the previous week. If anything, wouldn't the sales from the previous week be down from whatever their "normal" is because they had an impending launch of new hardware? If I was in the market for a PSP, knew the Go was coming out and was interested, I'd be willing to wait a week before I spent the money.

Branching off that, it doesn't mean much to tell us they had a 300% increase without mentioning where they began. Hypothetically, if they sold one PSP last week and three this week, that's a 300% increase.

At best, that's a puff quote. I want to see real sales data before Sony declares this thing a success.


The "PSP Hardware" wordage coupled with the launch of Gran Turismo leads me to believe Gran Turismo is moving an increased number of 3000 models, not necessarily that the Go is selling that well.

[Monsta Mack]

So a boost in sales for new hardware is shocking? If the Wii came in black it would see similiar increase. How long will it manage to show increases above 100%? Hell, 25% or so a few weeks later.

[keithp]

I think I was nearly Jedi mind tricked.

"These are not the PSP sales you were looking for!.." :D

Hell, I downloaded Disgaea this past week for my PSP-3000--I wonder how much the NIS sale influenced the numbers?

[FroMann]

I like to download some Minis on my PSP 2000, but the rest of the games that are on UMD I will still buy on that format. After seeing the PlayStation Store update this week. Its going to be slow for UMD games to come out on PSN unless they are new releases.

[orntar]

does anyone's local retailers have any to demo, like bestbuy, etc.? i would like to hold one and try it.

anyone who has had one now since launch, how is the comfort of it compared to the psp slim

[depward]

does anyone's local retailers have any to demo, like bestbuy, etc.? i would like to hold one and try it.

anyone who has had one now since launch, how is the comfort of it compared to the psp slim

Only place I've personally experienced any demo units is a Sony Style store.

[Tux.Bobble]

does anyone's local retailers have any to demo, like bestbuy, etc.? i would like to hold one and try it.

anyone who has had one now since launch, how is the comfort of it compared to the psp slim

Well I have slightly big hands, so the Slim always cramped my thumb when I was trying to use the analog nub. It was just too close to the bottom of the unit for me. (I never OWNED a slim, I only used my friend's)

The Go has yet to bother my hands at all. I keep it generally in the hard faux-leather official case, and it's quite comfortable. Even without the case it was fine, though.

Edit:I also have not seen a demo unit anywhere, but I haven't been to a Sony Style since the Go launched...

[chakan]

I have what I would consider medium male hand, and the Go is more comfortable than my 1000. I haven't seen units in stores around my area, let alone demo units. My Best Buys have promotional materials and accessories, but no Gos. Can't blame them, really.

[orntar]

tux.bobble and chakan, how do you feel about the whole digital only games? any heartburn about not being able to buy cheap used ones or resale them later?

[Ecofreak]

So for everyone justly saying the PSP Mini's are too expensive, we now know why.

From Joystiq.com (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/10/09/psp-minis-developer-surprised-by-cost-of-esrb-ratings/)

Here's one reason why PSP minis are more expensive than their iPhone counterparts: the ESRB. Sony doesn't enforce any control (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/10/07/scea-developers-responsible-for-keeping-psp-minis-prices-compet/) over the pricing of minis, but they do mandate getting approval from the ESRB ratings board. That, apparently, has been a significant hidden cost some developers didn't expect. "You have to invest some money into dev kits and into getting ratings for your game. The costs of ratings such us ESRB is significantly more then we had realized," Fieldrunners developer Sergei Gourski told Gamasutra (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=25520). According to a posting at GameDev.net (http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=428244&whichpage=1�), the cost of getting an approval is $2,500.

Content developed for the iPhone doesn't need to go through the ratings board, an oversight which, surprisingly, has yet to attract a media call-to-arms. Should the ESRB succeed in courting (http://kotaku.com/5284711/esrb-president-calls-for-iphone-game-ratings) Apple as the defacto ratings system for the iPhone, the high cost of approval should curtail one of the largest problems facing the iPhone store today: having too much content, a sentiment shared by Minigore developer Kimmo Vihola. Vihola noted that "[Apple's] process is starting to crack from the seams," and pointed out that Sony's turnaround time on minis is much faster than Apple's store. Sony takes three to five days for approval, while Apple varies "from a couple of days to up to six weeks."

Thoughts? Should Sony continue requiring that games go through the ESRB and control the streams of apps, or remove the requirement all together?

[J7.]

So for everyone justly saying the PSP Mini's are too expensive, we now know why.

From Joystiq.com (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/10/09/psp-minis-developer-surprised-by-cost-of-esrb-ratings/)



Thoughts? Should Sony continue requiring that games go through the ESRB and control the streams of apps, or remove the requirement all together?
Wow that is interesting. I don't know. On one hand ratings & development kit costs keep a lot of crap off the system, but on the other it's higher prices. I'm surprised Apple has avoided ratings on it's games for this long. Does Apple have it's own rating system?

[Gothic Walrus]

So for everyone justly saying the PSP Mini's are too expensive, we now know why.

From Joystiq.com (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/10/09/psp-minis-developer-surprised-by-cost-of-esrb-ratings/)



Thoughts? Should Sony continue requiring that games go through the ESRB and control the streams of apps, or remove the requirement all together?

If they want to compete with Apple, they'll remove the requirement. That $2500 is a big barrier to individuals or small groups, and it could cause a lot of potential games and apps to never leave the conceptual stage. It would be nice if Sony found a way to cut the cost or to maybe eat part of it themselves.

For comparison: the cost of the license to develop iPhone apps is $99. It's a lot easier to come up with that amount of money.

Wow that is interesting. I don't know. On one hand ratings & development kit costs keep a lot of crap off the system, but on the other it's higher prices. I'm surprised Apple has avoided ratings on it's games for this long. Does Apple have it's own rating system?

Yes, but it has issues (http://www.macworld.com/article/141756/2009/07/appstore_ratings.html).

[Chibi_Kaji]

I tried a PSP Go and despite my large hands I actually like how it feels. I will say the Stick placement will take some getting used to... but I rarely use that in the first place.

[orntar]

where did you try it? or did you buy one?

[FroMann]

Found 6-8 PSP Gos squished between a wall and a mountain of PSP 3000 bundles at my local K-Mart. *sigh*

[Malik112099]

I was in Target yesterday and noticed that there were a bunch of go's sitting there behind the glass....

[Halo05]

Ditto at my Target.

I can't wait to see the sales numbers for this thing.

[J7.]

So if the Go does bad enough the next months or years, hopefully Sony will definitely include optical media in PS4. That could be the one positive thing about all of this.

[Malik112099]

So if the Go does bad enough the next months or years, hopefully Sony will definitely include optical media in PS4. That could be the one positive thing about all of this.

When was it ever mentioned that the PS4 would be DD only? Link?

As for the shit sales of the PSP Go, my home is that it goes on clearance at a few stores and I can eventually pick one up for under $100 and hopefully by then someone will have gotten CFW to work on it.

[J7.]

When was it ever mentioned that the PS4 would be DD only? Link?

As for the shit sales of the PSP Go, my home is that it goes on clearance at a few stores and I can eventually pick one up for under $100 and hopefully by then someone will have gotten CFW to work on it.
It wasn't mentioned, but I think all the companies are watching how successful the PSP Go is to decide whether or not to go all digital with their next systems or keep optical, especially Sony. It wouldn't be wise to mention it at this point.

[Chibi_Kaji]

So if the Go does bad enough the next months or years, hopefully Sony will definitely include optical media in PS4. That could be the one positive thing about all of this.
I don't know where you got that idea from. But no matter how well or poorly the PSPgo sells the next Sony/M$/Nintendo console will still use optical media. It'll be a LOOOOOOOOONG time until we see a home console built with just DD in mind. If anything publishers MIGHT start using DD more as a way to bring niche games(Badman, Fate/Unlimited and Agarest War come to mind) to the US.

[J7.]

It's been discussed by many gaming sites and it only makes sense to evaluate how PSP Go does. I doubt the next consoles will be DD only, but they're looking into it and testing the waters.

[Gothic Walrus]

It's been discussed by many gaming sites and it only makes sense to evaluate how PSP Go does. I doubt the next consoles will be DD only, but they're looking into it and testing the waters.

"Discussed" doesn't mean anything. There are too many roadblocks in the way.

The biggest is logistics. For games on the PS3 and 360, we're already talking about gigabytes for download sizes - the Games on Demand version of Mass Effect is 7GB, for example. I don't know how big the average PS3 game is, but I know that Blu-ray has a higher storage capacity. There are already ISPs testing (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/04/get-ready-for-metered-broadband-texas.ars) and using (http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2008/08/its-official-comcast-starts-250gb-bandwidth-caps-october-1.ars) bandwidth caps; if you've got Time Warner and your maximum cap is 40GB, are you really going to want to download 20GB games with any frequency?

There's also the issue of coverage. There are areas of the country that still don't have high-speed internet (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2009-06-07-rural-broadband-digital_N.htm), which would mean that any systems that are download-only would be dead from the start in those regions.

Those alone would doom a download-only console to failure, and that doesn't even begin to cover all of the other issues that have been brought up in terms of PSP, like pricing, lack of resale/trade, and consumers who just aren't interested in digital only. We're a long way away from a download-only console being viable.

[Malik112099]

Back in Target today...every single PSP Go was still there untouched all uneven just like last time...

[Javery]

As for the shit sales of the PSP Go, my home is that it goes on clearance at a few stores and I can eventually pick one up for under $100 and hopefully by then someone will have gotten CFW to work on it.

Same. It's CFW that makes the PSP go. SEE WHAT I DID THERE?????

[orntar]

with all the bad press, am i a bad person for thinking about buying one?

[whoknows]

I might get one after I get paid next time...maybe. Just looks so nice.

[f0rk]

Those alone would doom a download-only console to failure, and that doesn't even begin to cover all of the other issues that have been brought up in terms of PSP, like pricing, lack of resale/trade, and consumers who just aren't interested in digital only. We're a long way away from a download-only console being viable.

these are issues now. the next round of consoles is years away. i would not be surprised at all if games go fully digital by the time the next generation of consoles are out. i haven't bought a physical PC game for ages. i don't think sony are testing the water, i think they know where it's going and are being first in the market.

the psp go is a very nice piece of kit, installing games/music/video was easy, video took a while. the prices were ok (in the UK), i haven't owned a psp before so have no UMDs and the prices are cheaper than what a pay for PC/PS3 games so it's all good. very impressed and pleased with my purchase so far. i took £95 off the price with ps3 game trade ins, might not have gone for it at retail price though.

[Halo05]

with all the bad press, am i a bad person for thinking about buying one?

No but I'd wait for a price drop. Sony has all but confirmed that one will come along once the initial early-adopter rush (?) dies down.

I'd like to get one as my Japanese PSOne machine. If the price was right I'd definately bite. The problem is that the right price is around $130 and I don't see it dropping that low anytime soon.

[orntar]

i agree, and i would kick myself if there was a price drop soon. but if its around christmas, thats far enough out for me not to feel bad.

i have $75 in amazon credit, so i was contemplating it pretty hard. it would be $170 then.

[J7.]

"Discussed" doesn't mean anything. There are too many roadblocks in the way.

The biggest is logistics. For games on the PS3 and 360, we're already talking about gigabytes for download sizes - the Games on Demand version of Mass Effect is 7GB, for example. I don't know how big the average PS3 game is, but I know that Blu-ray has a higher storage capacity. There are already ISPs testing (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/04/get-ready-for-metered-broadband-texas.ars) and using (http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2008/08/its-official-comcast-starts-250gb-bandwidth-caps-october-1.ars) bandwidth caps; if you've got Time Warner and your maximum cap is 40GB, are you really going to want to download 20GB games with any frequency?

There's also the issue of coverage. There are areas of the country that still don't have high-speed internet (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2009-06-07-rural-broadband-digital_N.htm), which would mean that any systems that are download-only would be dead from the start in those regions.

Those alone would doom a download-only console to failure, and that doesn't even begin to cover all of the other issues that have been brought up in terms of PSP, like pricing, lack of resale/trade, and consumers who just aren't interested in digital only. We're a long way away from a download-only console being viable.
As I said I doubt it would happen, but with the consoles possibly many years away it is conceivable and it's definitely something they are evaluating. I also said "will definitely include" meaning they may not really bother seriously considering it if the PSP Go fails spectacularly.

Bandwith caps could become a thing of the past if Govt steps in. They could also allow people unable to download at home bring a usb stick and be able to download at stores on a device that holds games and is able to to direct high speed transfers - perhaps unlikely but who knows what will happen years from now.

Just because PSP is pricey doesn't mean future DD devices would be, without retail there's no price competition except between another DD device, ability to trade/resell becomes a thing of the past, consumers have no choice other than DD - they will have to use it or not game at all other than older games.

Again, I doubt this will happen soon, but we don't know what the future holds. I don't care to argue with you and you raise valid points. I'm just showing ways it possibly could happen. Unlikely but possible. Go failing will make it that much more impossible but companies will certainly love when it does become achievable even if it did leave out some consumers, which there are ways around.

[h3llbring3r]

IDK, people seem stuck on the silly idea that a buyer would only DL the game post release and all at once. Steam has had several games that one could predownload, incrementally & during low bandwidth usage, and then be "unlocked" on release day. If implemented in that manner a DD only console is entirely a possibility, and every developers wet-dream/consumer's worst nightmare. Which is why I discourage anyone buying any gaming device that exclusively DD, unless it and its software were to be sold for significantly less than its physical media using counterpart.

If it's discounted to reflect my loss of ownership and rights then it's viable, if not . . .

[pimpster4183]

Why would anyone buy this? So you pay $30 for some game through the PSN store, beat the game and now what? You can't trade it for a different game, you're stuck with it forever. I'll keep my slim.

[Count]

Why would anyone buy this? So you pay $30 for some game through the PSN store, beat the game and now what? You can't trade it for a different game, you're stuck with it forever. I'll keep my slim.
Hmm.. 30$ you say?
You can transfer DD on 5 PSP's..

Also, that's why you buy games that has replayability. :drool:

[Malik112099]

Hmm.. 30$ you say?
You can transfer DD on 5 PSP's..

Also, that's why you buy games that has replayability. :drool:

i can put optical media in an infinite number of consoles..whats your point? for a lot of people once you play it you are done. No one is going to play through a game on the Go and then wonder what the gameplay is like on a slim.

[J7.]

IDK, people seem stuck on the silly idea that a buyer would only DL the game post release and all at once. Steam has had several games that one could predownload, incrementally & during low bandwidth usage, and then be "unlocked" on release day. If implemented in that manner a DD only console is entirely a possibility, and every developers wet-dream/consumer's worst nightmare. Which is why I discourage anyone buying any gaming device that exclusively DD, unless it and its software were to be sold for significantly less than its physical media using counterpart.

If it's discounted to reflect my loss of ownership and rights then it's viable, if not . . .
Good point about episodic content & incremental dl.

Companies will want price parity with retail or at least be demanded to by retail. For DD prices to fall across the board (not including sales), either companies need to somehow renegotiate their dealings with retailers, which I don't see happening, or DD needs to completely take over and not have retail involved, don't see this happening anytime soon especially with online retailers.

Maybe the best option to us will be if retail carries sellable voucher codes for every DD game and prices them competively, while also allowing the game companies to do the same on their online networks. But they need to have retail and networks give codes to dl games that can be deactivated and resold by the consumer, which I can't see happening.

[mykevermin]

As many others have pointed out, given the lack of competitive pricing for the software, the hardware is a waste of money at any cost.

It's a gorgeous device, to be sure - but what you restrict yourself to by purchasing one is way more than enough to turn me off of it.

[Javery]

Have the sales numbers come in yet? From what I can tell it isn't exactly flying off the shelves. I was in Best Buy over the weekend and they had tons.

[seanr1221]

I went to about 8 different stores that sell them this weekend and each had 2-5.

[orntar]

does any one have a white go? is it as sparkly as the videos show it?

[Tux.Bobble]

does any one have a white go? is it as sparkly as the videos show it?

I think the general consensus is that it's NOT that sparkly. I still got mine in black though because I'm not trusting enough. (And fingerprints aren't as big of an issue as I'd expected, honestly)

[Ecofreak]

does any one have a white go? is it as sparkly as the videos show it?

If you look for the sparkles, you can see it but you really need to be looking for it.

Beautiful device and I like it better than the black version. Well, at least to balance out my navy blue DS.

[Count]

i can put optical media in an infinite number of consoles..whats your point? for a lot of people once you play it you are done. No one is going to play through a game on the Go and then wonder what the gameplay is like on a slim.

It looks like your limiting yourself with games that's only 1 play through wonder.

Try something like Disgaea, Disgaea 2..
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My point is that UMD can not compete with DD that can be multiplied.

And what console are you talking about.. PS3 can only share up to 5 accounts..

Unless your talking about illegal copies.. :drool: I think they fail in life.
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Edit: never mind, I have no idea what you're talking about.. lol <_<

[Malik112099]

It looks like your limiting yourself with games that's only 1 play through wonder.

Try something like Disgaea, Disgaea 2..
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My point is that UMD can not compete with DD that can be multiplied.

And what console are you talking about.. PS3 can only share up to 5 accounts..

Unless your talking about illegal copies.. :drool: I think they fail in life.
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Edit: never mind, I have no idea what you're talking about.. lol <_<

Are you on drugs?

[Count]

Are you on drugs?

Sorry, but I think it's the other way around.

[J7.]

You have entered The Twilight Zone. The whole town has been taken over by darkness.

[USB Cable]

You have entered The Twilight Zone. The whole town has been taken over by darkness.

:drool:

[Count]

Hmm.. so..
What happens to your GO once the battery dies out..
I hope SONY doesen't ask 150$ for batteries..

[JMEPO]

That's were they get you Count; the system is only $250 but to use it you have to buy the $300 battery attachment and the $150 deluxe charging kit.

[Tux.Bobble]

Hmm.. so..
What happens to your GO once the battery dies out..
I hope SONY doesen't ask 150$ for batteries..

Well if your warranty is expired you can still access the battery quite easily, as a matter of fact. If you still have your warranty, I would hope the battery replacement is covered. (but I don't know that, I'm just guessing)

[paddlefoot]

Why would anyone buy this? So you pay $30 for some game through the PSN store, beat the game and now what? You can't trade it for a different game, you're stuck with it forever. I'll keep my slim.

You would think with an ID like pimpster you would understand.

I'm a technology whore!

[orntar]

You would think with an ID like pimpster you would understand.

I'm a technology whore!
what color did you get? how are you liking it so far?

[Maklershed]

My point is that UMD can not compete with DD that can be multiplied.



What do you mean by multiplied? You can't gameshare PSP games can you?

[keithp]

Hmm.. so..
What happens to your GO once the battery dies out..
I hope SONY doesen't ask 150$ for batteries..

Who do you think's making this thing, Apple? ;)

[Malik112099]

Was at walmart earlier. Lots of Go's sitting around.....

[Count]

What do you mean by multiplied? You can't gameshare PSP games can you?

You can full game share DD psp games, limiting to up to 5 PSP total though.

Lol Apple. :hot:

[Chibi_Kaji]

Thats a surprise... my local Target sold all of their PSP Go's.

[orntar]

finally placed my order - $163.99 w/ overnight shipping after my amazon credits.

[Count]

Thats a surprise... my local Target sold all of their PSP Go's.

So as my local gamestop.

And wow, nice deal ^^

[mykevermin]

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/10/16/third-parties-not-required-to-release-psp-games-on-playstation-s/

"It's up to individual third parties to decide if and when to publish their UMD releases on PSN. Most, if not all, are on board, as this is a revenue opportunity for them," we were told by Eric Lempel, SCEA's director of PlayStation Network operations. Namco, the one publisher that returned our request for comment, noted specifically that "there are currently no plans to release Akatsuki Rising on PSN right now," despite its October 6 release on UMD.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[smiggity]

You have an odd sense of humor if you find the above quote that funny.

[mykevermin]

I find it funny that Sony's approach to supporting their device has been a combination of (1) pay through the nose and (2) an "eh, whatever you guys wanna do, we don't care" approach to getting third parties on PSN.

Which means few new third-party releases and $30 Manhunt 2.

If that ain't comedy, I don't know what is.

[h3llbring3r]

$50 price drop is "go"

[smiggity]

I find it funny that Sony's approach to supporting their device has been a combination of (1) pay through the nose and (2) an "eh, whatever you guys wanna do, we don't care" approach to getting third parties on PSN.

Which means few new third-party releases and $30 Manhunt 2.

If that ain't comedy, I don't know what is.


Sounds like typical Sony to me. You cant actually have expected more?

[orntar]

$50 price drop is "go"

EH? says who?

[Serpentor]

i saw a $5 drop from Amazon, but where's the $50 from? There's a deal thread in the DEAL section, $199.99 for the Go...

[GogetaSS4]

I like my psp 2000 just fine I won't be upgrading.

[Monsta Mack]

Do stores get price protection if it drops $50? Cause where I work we only sold 2 PSP Gos and are still left with plenty.

$50 price drop seems to only be at Frys, but we'll see.

[chakan]

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/10/16/third-parties-not-required-to-release-psp-games-on-playstation-s/



:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Fuckin' Sony. Do they TRY to get everything wrong?

[xycury]

I think Sony in every other language translate to FAIL right?

[vherub]

$50 price drop?

[J7.]

I find it funny that Sony's approach to supporting their device has been a combination of (1) pay through the nose and (2) an "eh, whatever you guys wanna do, we don't care" approach to getting third parties on PSN.

Which means few new third-party releases and $30 Manhunt 2.

If that ain't comedy, I don't know what is.
It is stupid to not require the games to be released on PSN. One has to hope it is to be as friendly to 3rd parties as possible in order to get support for PSP games in general. If it takes that to get games made for PSP that's better than not having games made at all. That's the only reason I can see for not mandating it.

[Gothic Walrus]

$50 price drop?

There is this (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239975), but that's just one regional retailer. :-s

If the Go drops $50 this quickly - less than a month after release - people are going to be pissed. We might have another iPhone style revolt on our hands.

It is stupid to not require the games to be released on PSN. One has to hope it is to be as friendly to 3rd parties as possible in order to get support for PSP games in general. If it takes that to get games made for PSP that's better than not having games made at all. That's the only reason I can see for not mandating it.

As much sense as that makes, I'm not sure if that's the reason. It doesn't seem like it'd be very hard for the publisher to convert a game from UMD to digital download, although I'll admit I've got no idea what work might be involved in that process.

[FriskyTanuki]

I could see them being relaxed on it right now and require it from a certain date onward like how trophies were handled last year after its launch.

[ivanctorres]

I am really thinking about a go. I sold my psp1000 and the few games I had last year so I don't have the problem with having the inability to play my old games.

if it drops to 199 I'm jumping on. I like the idea of having this with me at all times in my pocket and being able to pop it out and play.

[Izod517]

The thread's title is pretty misleading. One regional chain does not confirm a price drop. I thought there might be a link to an article that confirmed it; instead it was a waste of time. Just sayin.

[Bluth Superfan]

I think that the DD version of games just don't sell as well as some people seem to think. So it's no wonder some third parties are not going to put there games up.

[seanr1221]

I could see them being relaxed on it right now and require it from a certain date onward like how trophies were handled last year after its launch.

Most likely.

Seems most major titles are going to come out through DD anyway.

[Chibi_Kaji]

I think that the DD version of games just don't sell as well as some people seem to think. So it's no wonder some third parties are not going to put there games up.
Unless Sony is charing an insane amount of money to put it up on PSN I doubt that's the case. I'm going to agree with what Frisky said.

[Chitown021]

There is this (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239975), but that's just one regional retailer. :-s

If the Go drops $50 this quickly - less than a month after release - people are going to be pissed. We might have another iPhone style revolt on our hands.



As much sense as that makes, I'm not sure if that's the reason. It doesn't seem like it'd be very hard for the publisher to convert a game from UMD to digital download, although I'll admit I've got no idea what work might be involved in that process.

Yes, I'm sure the dozen people that have bought it nationwide so far will unite and bring Sony to its knees! :lol:

[J7.]

There is this (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239975), but that's just one regional retailer. :-s

If the Go drops $50 this quickly - less than a month after release - people are going to be pissed. We might have another iPhone style revolt on our hands.

As much sense as that makes, I'm not sure if that's the reason. It doesn't seem like it'd be very hard for the publisher to convert a game from UMD to digital download, although I'll admit I've got no idea what work might be involved in that process.
Could easily not be, but it's only reason I can see other than how much it actually costs publishers to put games up for sale on PSN. I agree with Frisky that it will happen eventually.

The thread's title is pretty misleading. One regional chain does not confirm a price drop. I thought there might be a link to an article that confirmed it; instead it was a waste of time. Just sayin.
Agreed.

[Malik112099]

It is stupid to not require the games to be released on PSN. One has to hope it is to be as friendly to 3rd parties as possible in order to get support for PSP games in general. If it takes that to get games made for PSP that's better than not having games made at all. That's the only reason I can see for not mandating it.


I think it isn't required because Sony charges developers for PSN bandwidth usage.

[J7.]

I think it isn't required because Sony charges developers for PSN bandwidth usage.
I remember reading about that - charging for demos and such or the amount based on how many demos downloaded. It sucks for publishers to have to do retail & PSN because they're paying for each version. I don't remember if they mentioned the amount they have to pay & I'm too tired to check now, will look tomorrow.

[seanr1221]

I know anecdotal evidence doesn't mean much, but I was talking to the guy at my local Gamestop and he mentioned how he can't keep these on the shelves. He said the used PSP section has exploded, they're sold out of PSN cards*, and the regular PSPs haven't been selling. Keep in mind, this is in a high SES area, which could have something to do with it.

*this might have to do with the fact that he said GS is starting a new card program soon. They'll be selling iTunes cars, those penguin cards I've seen at BestBuy, PSN games, etc.

[J7.]

Did you know PSP Go can be overclocked to 480 MHz? I just read that and did a 2nd search to confirm.

This article also talks about what hardware we will see in each upcoming handheld and predicts PSP2 releasing within 12 months. Taken with a grain of salt but one of their reasons being that cellphone devices are making inroads and current handhelds are looking more and more obsolete in comparison technically. I do think Sony would try to avoid being outdone so much in terms of hardware specs, but I doubt Nintendo cares - they in turn may just want to have their handheld to market before PSP2. Of course this article may be, and probably is, just conjecture, but it is interesting to see what they speculate.

http://brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/10/16/exclusive-sony-psp2-arriving-in-20102c-features-powervr-sgx543-graphics.aspx
The Battle Royal for handheld gaming 2010
Apple iPhone 3G s / 4G = ARM Cortex + PowerVR SGX
HTC = ARM Cortex + PowerVR
Microsoft Zune HD = ARM11 + GeForce 6
Nintendo DS2 = ARM Cortex + GeForce 9
Nokia platform = ARM11 only
Palm Pre 2 = ARM Cortex + PowerVR SGX
RIM BlackBerry = ARM9 only
Samsung = ARM Cortex + PowerVR SGX
Sony PSP2 = ARM ? + PowerVR SGX

[Chibi_Kaji]

Could easily not be, but it's only reason I can see other than how much it actually costs publishers to put games up for sale on PSN. I agree with Frisky that it will happen eventually.
If Sony were to try and make DD mandatory they would definitely have to work out some deal with the Publishers to make it very attractive. Since Sony isn't exactly in any position with the PSP to just demand it.

I doubt we'll see a PSP 2 within the next year. We'll probably see the rumored 4000 long before a PSP 2.

[J7.]

I hope the 4000 is basically the Go with UMD, just a little thicker. That would be awesome.

[Malik112099]

releasing another psp based on the current specs with umd after the Go would just be Sony literally shitting on its customers

[Cao Cao]

Did you know PSP Go can be overclocked to 480 MHz? I just read that and did a 2nd search to confirm.

I certainly hope that you're not referring to the FCC filing, because that interpretation was debunked a long time ago.

Engadget Japan contacted Sony to find out what the clock signal thing meant. It turns out that it was misinterpreted. The 480Mhz clock signal refers to the USB device, not the CPU. Sony still maintains that the CPU is 333mhz.
http://pspupdates.qj.net/Sony-PSP-Go-s-480MHz-clock-speed-reference-was-for-USB-not-CPU/pg/49/aid/132761
http://japanese.engadget.com/2009/07/03/psp-go-1-5/

[Izod517]

releasing another psp based on the current specs with umd after the Go would just be Sony literally shitting on its customers

I think going to UMD again is just plain stupid. Sony just needs to adjust its DD pricing scheme and add a place for indy development, and require it. Still undecided here, as most of the games I want to play are just PSone classics... Square-Enix is the only thing keeping me in the running for a 3000.

[RedvsBlue]

Did you know PSP Go can be overclocked to 480 MHz? I just read that and did a 2nd search to confirm.

This article also talks about what hardware we will see in each upcoming handheld and predicts PSP2 releasing within 12 months. Taken with a grain of salt but one of their reasons being that cellphone devices are making inroads and current handhelds are looking more and more obsolete in comparison technically. I do think Sony would try to avoid being outdone so much in terms of hardware specs, but I doubt Nintendo cares - they in turn may just want to have their handheld to market before PSP2. Of course this article may be, and probably is, just conjecture, but it is interesting to see what they speculate.

http://brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/10/16/exclusive-sony-psp2-arriving-in-20102c-features-powervr-sgx543-graphics.aspx
The Battle Royal for handheld gaming 2010
Apple iPhone 3G s / 4G = ARM Cortex + PowerVR SGX
HTC = ARM Cortex + PowerVR
Microsoft Zune HD = ARM11 + GeForce 6
Nintendo DS2 = ARM Cortex + GeForce 9
Nokia platform = ARM11 only
Palm Pre 2 = ARM Cortex + PowerVR SGX
RIM BlackBerry = ARM9 only
Samsung = ARM Cortex + PowerVR SGX
Sony PSP2 = ARM ? + PowerVR SGX

So this more or less obscure website talks about a bunch of devices that are rumors at best (ds2, pre 2, psp2, and "nokia platform") and gets the information about the PSP Go processor speed wrong based on information that was long ago debunked. This is suspect to say the least.

[J7.]

I certainly hope that you're not referring to the FCC filing, because that interpretation was debunked a long time ago.
I don't know if the sites I saw that posted on were or not, they did not say.

releasing another psp based on the current specs with umd after the Go would just be Sony literally shitting on its customers
Why? They're supporting both umd and DD right now and can continue to do so. By the time the 4000 comes out, they can have the price of the Go cheaper and/or increase it's internal memory.

I think going to UMD again is just plain stupid. Sony just needs to adjust its DD pricing scheme and add a place for indy development, and require it. Still undecided here, as most of the games I want to play are just PSone classics... Square-Enix is the only thing keeping me in the running for a 3000.
It would not be going back to UMD, it would be continuing to do what they have always done. It would be more stupid to abandon UMD and have DD only at this point or at any point in time until at least the DD userbase is larger than the UMD userbase, and even then it would not be a good decision. DD only should not come until PSP2 if at all.

So this more or less obscure website talks about a bunch of devices that are rumors at best (ds2, pre 2, psp2, and "nokia platform") and gets the information about the PSP Go processor speed wrong based on information that was long ago debunked. This is suspect to say the least.
Of course this article may be, and probably is, just conjecture, but it is interesting to see what they speculate.

[Ivanhoe]

PSP-4000 could just have built-in storage maybe a little slimmer again and better batterylife,maybe the 3.7inch screen and plays umd.
Supporting umd and DD is the only way sony can stay alive.
They have 50+million psp/umd users and growing more every day.

As for PSPgo..
They would need to do a re-release with a lower price point and more storage(32gb)..AND add a way to convert UMD to DD for the GO to be successfull IMO.

[paddlefoot]

I think going to UMD again is just plain stupid. Sony just needs to adjust its DD pricing scheme and add a place for indy development, and require it. Still undecided here, as most of the games I want to play are just PSone classics... Square-Enix is the only thing keeping me in the running for a 3000.

The bottom line with the pricing scheme is that it is a horrible miscalculation on the part of Sony. They are bypassing distributors, retail chains, shippers, et al, and getting one-on-one contact with the consumer. You (Sony) shouldn't be looking for a pricing edge as well. You got your edge when you cut out all the middle men. Problem is your doing your best to fuck it up.

[J7.]

The bottom line with the pricing scheme is that it is a horrible miscalculation on the part of Sony. They are bypassing distributors, retail chains, shippers, et al, and getting one-on-one contact with the consumer. You (Sony) shouldn't be looking for a pricing edge as well. You got your edge when you cut out all the middle men. Problem is your doing your best to fuck it up.
You also have to consider that retailers won't let them price DD games lower than what they sell for in stores otherwise retailers won't stock the PSP Go, nor the game code cards, and maybe not even other PSP products.

[Tux.Bobble]

Quoted from Joystiq:

"Q-Games president Dylan Cuthbert has suggested that rampant piracy of his studio's optimized PSP port, PixelJunk Monsters Deluxe (PJMD), has deterred its plans for further PSP development. "I don't think we'll port anything else to the PSP, we have to see how PJMD does as there's a *lot* of piracy," Cuthbert tweeted (http://twitter.com/dylancuthbert/status/4956657763) over the weekend. Perhaps constrained by character limitations (http://twitter.zendesk.com/forums/10711/entries/13920) or simply caught up in another Uncharted 2 sesh (http://twitter.com/dylancuthbert/status/4968517687), Cuthbert did not cite piracy estimates -- nor sales figures, for that matter. He did, however, confirm a demo is in the works; "but I don't think it makes any difference to piracy," Cuthbert lamented.

Cuthbert added (http://twitter.com/dylancuthbert/status/4957122302) in a follow-up tweet, "because Monsters is such a good fit it is being pirated I think," and then he responded (http://twitter.com/dylancuthbert/status/4958072143) to a suggestion to incorporate anti-piracy measures into the game code with: "unfortunately the pirates could just hack those kinds of things out." While the PSP Go has yet to be fully unlocked by would-be pirates and download-only PSN titles seem to be well protected from piracy, PJMD (http://www.joystiq.com/tag/pixeljunk-monsters-deluxe/) is available on UMD (in Japan and the greater Asia region), which has no doubt lead to the distribution of pirated versions of the game.

While it's somewhat naive of Q-Games to not have anticipated a piracy issue, it's no less disheartening. The PSP has long suffered from a lack of consistent third-party support because of a history of sales losses due to piracy. Q-Games is just the latest developer hesitant to commit further resources to supporting the PSP platform, and without the release of an impossibility firm firmware, it won't be the last.

Update: Cuthbert reemphasizes (http://twitter.com/dylancuthbert/statuses/5018410323) that PJMD sales will be the key determining factor that drives Q-Games' future in PSP development. Cuthbert's studio has not definitely dropped PSP development, but ostensibly low sales over the first three weeks of PJMD availability have Q-Games in some doubt about pursuing further PSP projects. Of course, a sales spike could certainly change that attitude."

AKA Go buy PixelJunk Monsters DX now! Do you really want to live in a world without PixelJunk on the go any longer? Didn't think so...lol

[mykevermin]

Fuck you. Drop the price and then come talk to me.

[Diosoth]

The magic pixie known as "piracy". Of course the corporations are using it as an excuse. Games NEVER sell poorly because they're unplayable shit, it's always piracy. Or used games. Or some other means to blame the consumer. I'm getting sick of it.

[Izod517]

Considering I already overpaid for the original PixelJunk Monsters, sell it for $5 and you've got me. At some point the game industry got so damn big it forgot about the costumers, as well as entry level economics. Games are not inelastic goods.

[J7.]

PJM Deluxe is unplayable shit? I thought it was supposed to be an excellent game. I guess it wasn't the 9th highest rated game for PSP. It's a simple fact that PSP games are incredibly pirated. If a developer comes out and makes that claim maybe it isn't crazy talk and maybe if you want future games from them you'd buy their game instead of cussing them out, and if you could care less you could not comment about it because it does not affect you. I don't see how it's overpriced. It's only $4 more than the original+Encore bundled together and you're getting even more than what those had, new enemies, levels, music, extras.

[chakan]

Does anyone have the official case for the Go? Do you like it? Does it make the Go considerably bulkier? Are there any third party cases/shells yet?

[Ecofreak]

Does anyone have the official case for the Go? Do you like it? Does it make the Go considerably bulkier? Are there any third party cases/shells yet?

You can PM TheManaKnight for an opinion -- he posted a blog entry that he bought one.

[Malik112099]

Was in Sam's Club today and noticed the GO selling for $229.XX ... i took some cell pics, if anyone wants me to post them let me know

[Malik112099]

You can PM TheManaKnight for an opinion -- he posted a blog entry that he bought one.


Getting an opinion on a Sony product from TMK is like getting an opinion on high quality porn from a horny male.

[seanr1221]

http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=453224

Places like Sam's Club, CostCo and BJs sell things cheaper.

[Tux.Bobble]

The magic pixie known as "piracy". Of course the corporations are using it as an excuse. Games NEVER sell poorly because they're unplayable shit, it's always piracy. Or used games. Or some other means to blame the consumer. I'm getting sick of it.

Seriously dude? PixelJunk Monsters on the PS3 is widely regarded as one of the best PSN titles available. This is hardly unplayable shit. It's actually a great game. If it was bad, I wouldn't have mentioned it with any sense of urgency. 88 on metacritic. So I don't know what you're talking about--if you really think it plays like shit, feel free to comment. But you'd be the first person I've heard discuss PJM in that light.

Considering I already overpaid for the original PixelJunk Monsters, sell it for $5 and you've got me. At some point the game industry got so damn big it forgot about the costumers, as well as entry level economics. Games are not inelastic goods.

For the amount of game that it gives you, it's worth $20. You don't have to buy it if you have the original. But if you don't have it or the expansion, $20 is a VERY fair price. (This is original + expansion + SECOND expansion + ONLINE play, all for $20)

So I understand your issue with buying it for $20. But considering this is being released for a different system with an extra island, extra towers, an extra enemy, and online play (all of which haven't been seen on the PS3's version) I'd say $20 is valid.

[Tux.Bobble]

Does anyone have the official case for the Go? Do you like it? Does it make the Go considerably bulkier? Are there any third party cases/shells yet?

Which case are you referring to? There is a soft case and a hard case, both official. I own the hard case now, and have ordered the soft one as well.

So...which are you referring to? I can answer about the hard case now or in a few days I can discuss the soft one, haha.

[chakan]

I wasn't aware of the official soft case, I would love to hear your opinion on the hard case.

[saturnotaku]

http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=453224

Places like Sam's Club, CostCo and BJs sell things cheaper.

Sometimes. Costco's price on the PSP Go is the same as every other retail store.

[seanr1221]

Sometimes. Costco's price on the PSP Go is the same as every other retail store.

I should have said, "Tend to sell things cheaper."

[paddlefoot]

I wasn't aware of the official soft case, I would love to hear your opinion on the hard case.

I have the one you're probably referencing. The one that you can open up and play while still in the case? It isn't perfect, as sliding the PSP open and closed takes a little more force due to the tabs holding it in place. It covers the PSP without making it bulky and unruly. It does make it a little larger, but the PSPgo is so small a little width is arguably a good thing. The only other thing to note is that the latch can get in the way if you don't secure it in your grip when playing. Paid $20, probably overpriced, but would do it again.

p.s. the sliding factor probably makes it difficult to make a perfect case

[Tux.Bobble]

I wasn't aware of the official soft case, I would love to hear your opinion on the hard case.

I really like the hard case a lot. The hard and soft case serve different purposes. The hard case is very nice--it doesn't conceal any of the ports on the unit, so you can still charge/transfer, use headphones, and access the L/R buttons for audio playback controls (back/forward) while the Go is enclosed in the case. You can also access the Wifi and Power/Hold switches. It has velcro as a fastener, and when closed it's quite tight.

It has a very nice appearance and adds very little to the "bulkiness" of the system. In fact, I tend to leave the case on it, while it's in my pocket, since the inside of the case is a very soft felt-like lining, which makes me confident that it won't scratch the screen at all. I still wouldn't expose it to very much of a beating, but I am a lot more comfortable with it in this case than in no case at all.

If you open the front flap, there are still 2 grips that keep the Go in place until you slide it open. They are actually quite tight, and some people have been nervous about them being TOO tight. You can bend them back ever so slightly and the fit is a lot more comfortable--this case is designed to be a tight, secure fit, so it's a good thing in my opinion. The front flap (normally convering the screen) can be flipped open and secured that way with the velcro. I personally don't like the feel of that, so I let the flap hang loose, and use my fingers to keep it out of the way. The front flap has a little overhang at the bottom of the unit, so when it's open, it is something like this: (side view)

\ /
||
||
/ \

So when your hands wrap around it, the bottom of the unit has a little protrusion outward. Not a big deal, as paddlefoot mentioned preferring to secure it with velcro, but I personally think my hands feel awkward and clumsy when holding it that way. But it's nice that you have the option, for those who like it.

This also doubles as a neat trick some people have used to stand the system up vertically on its own. I didn't find this to be secure enough, and the angle is a bit weird, but I suppose in theory you might be able to find some use for it.



When the soft pouch arrives, I'll post again about it--it's SUPPOSEDLY a lot more cushiony, but quite a bit larger as well. Still, I might use the soft one for some occasions, like if I'm traveling and it needs to get packed away "long-term" (i.e. if the bag may get squished by other luggage, etc.) But I think for the most part that the hard case is plenty for me, since I'm conscious of how I treat my electronics.

[paddlefoot]

I really like the hard case a lot. The hard and soft case serve different purposes. The hard case is very nice--it doesn't conceal any of the ports on the unit, so you can still charge/transfer, use headphones, and access the L/R buttons for audio playback controls (back/forward) while the Go is enclosed in the case. You can also access the Wifi and Power/Hold switches. It has velcro as a fastener, and when closed it's quite tight.

It has a very nice appearance and adds very little to the "bulkiness" of the system. In fact, I tend to leave the case on it, while it's in my pocket, since the inside of the case is a very soft felt-like lining, which makes me confident that it won't scratch the screen at all. I still wouldn't expose it to very much of a beating, but I am a lot more comfortable with it in this case than in no case at all.

If you open the front flap, there are still 2 grips that keep the Go in place until you slide it open. They are actually quite tight, and some people have been nervous about them being TOO tight. You can bend them back ever so slightly and the fit is a lot more comfortable--this case is designed to be a tight, secure fit, so it's a good thing in my opinion. The front flap (normally convering the screen) can be flipped open and secured that way with the velcro. I personally don't like the feel of that, so I let the flap hang loose, and use my fingers to keep it out of the way. The front flap has a little overhang at the bottom of the unit, so when it's open, it is something like this: (side view)

\ /
||
||
/ \

So when your hands wrap around it, the bottom of the unit has a little protrusion outward. Not a big deal, as paddlefoot mentioned preferring to secure it with velcro, but I personally think my hands feel awkward and clumsy when holding it that way. But it's nice that you have the option, for those who like it.

This also doubles as a neat trick some people have used to stand the system up vertically on its own. I didn't find this to be secure enough, and the angle is a bit weird, but I suppose in theory you might be able to find some use for it.



When the soft pouch arrives, I'll post again about it--it's SUPPOSEDLY a lot more cushiony, but quite a bit larger as well. Still, I might use the soft one for some occasions, like if I'm traveling and it needs to get packed away "long-term" (i.e. if the bag may get squished by other luggage, etc.) But I think for the most part that the hard case is plenty for me, since I'm conscious of how I treat my electronics.

In other news, Tux's review pwned my own.

[Tux.Bobble]

In other news, Tux's review pwned my own.

I had an unfair advantage: I've done it before.

http://www.amazon.com/review/R3CF9PENXEEHGM/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm

Feel free to give me some "Yes" responses to "Was this review helpful?" I always appreciate them, lol.

[orntar]

someone needs to change the title of this thread.

[darkwingduck13]

someone needs to change the title of this thread.

Yeah, from "PSP Go" to "PSP No", amirite? :D

[Bivensra]

Does anyone know what issues that people have w/ the Go can be fixed w/updates? The price and lack of umd aside, can some of the issues be fixed w/o Sony screwing early adopters and introducing a new Go a year from now.

[orntar]

Does anyone know what issues that people have w/ the Go can be fixed w/updates? The price and lack of umd aside, can some of the issues be fixed w/o Sony screwing early adopters and introducing a new Go a year from now.
what problems are you talking about? nothing wrong with mine.

[Bivensra]

what problems are you talking about? nothing wrong with mine.

Slow down load speed, battery life or inability to replace battery.

[Malik112099]

Slow down load speed, battery life or inability to replace battery.


I would love to see a FW update that fixes the inability to replace a battery!

[saturnotaku]

I would love to see a FW update that fixes the inability to replace a battery!

LOL me too.

Though I think you can replace the battery, but it's a time consuming process that requires a tiny screwdriver.

[orntar]

Slow down load speed, battery life or inability to replace battery.

i suppose it would be nice to have a faster download, but that won't happen, the wifi chip doesn't support it, just use your pc. nothing wrong with my battery life.

[LinkinPrime]

Anyone try any clear plastic cases yet? I've found some on eBay but I'm a bit skeptical:

http://cgi.ebay.com/LCD-Film-Clear-Crystal-Hard-Case-Cover-for-Sony-PSP-Go_W0QQitemZ170397828918QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVideo_G ames_Accessories?hash=item27ac808736

http://cgi.ebay.com/Clear-Crystal-Case-Cover-Skin-Protector-for-Sony-PSP-GO_W0QQitemZ360198931204QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVideo_G ames_Accessories?hash=item53dd878304

Also these aluminum ones look pretty cool:

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Aluminum-Hard-shell-Case-Cover-Skin-for-Sony-PSP-Go_W0QQitemZ180423276861QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVideo_G ames_Accessories?hash=item2a0210b93d

[Bivensra]

I would love to see a FW update that fixes the inability to replace a battery!

you guys know what I mean. It would be nice if Sony would throw earlier adopters a bone and announce a reasonably priced replacement battery. I know that the battery can be removed b/ can you get a replacement?

[chakan]

Tux and Paddlefoot, thank you for the great reviews. Since the hard case is down to $13 at Amazon, I'll probably get it.

Linkinprime, I saw those clear plastic shields too. I have something like that on my DS and love it, but on this version, the plastic goes OVER the screen, so I worry about lint getting underneath and scratching.

[Tux.Bobble]

you guys know what I mean. It would be nice if Sony would throw earlier adopters a bone and announce a reasonably priced replacement battery. I know that the battery can be removed b/ can you get a replacement?

They're not going to sell replacement batteries. They will likely replace batteries for you though. The reason being that apparently the battery is covered by a sticker which, if removed/torn, will void the warranty. Sony's not likely to sell you a product which will void the warranty.

As far as replacement batteries, I don't know. They'll probably charge $50 since it's the service as well, but because of warranties my guess is they won't start charging for it for a year or so.

[Bivensra]

They're not going to sell replacement batteries. They will likely replace batteries for you though. The reason being that apparently the battery is covered by a sticker which, if removed/torn, will void the warranty. Sony's not likely to sell you a product which will void the warranty.

As far as replacement batteries, I don't know. They'll probably charge $50 since it's the service as well, but because of warranties my guess is they won't start charging for it for a year or so.

Thanks Tux.

[LinkinPrime]

Linkinprime, I saw those clear plastic shields too. I have something like that on my DS and love it, but on this version, the plastic goes OVER the screen, so I worry about lint getting underneath and scratching.

Yeah, I hate they way they designed them. I guess the aluminum ones are the way to go. I may pick one up...still debating.

[orntar]

Yeah, I hate they way they designed them. I guess the aluminum ones are the way to go. I may pick one up...still debating.
do it and let us know how they are. im sure its not as awesome as one would want.

[LinkinPrime]

do it and let us know how they are. im sure its not as awesome as one would want.

They come from Hong Kong, and they are super cheap, which means

A: Super thin/cheap material
and/or
B: Won't fit properly

:lol: I was hoping someone else would be the guinea pig here.

[Malik112099]

what the hell is this for?

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.24429

[LinkinPrime]

what the hell is this for?

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.24429

http://www.dealextreme.com/productimages/sku_24429_7.jpg

:rofl: The PSP Go is bigger than the chair in that pic.

[mykevermin]

Everyone knows it's for gaming while on the shitter.

[orntar]

They come from Hong Kong, and they are super cheap, which means

A: Super thin/cheap material
and/or
B: Won't fit properly

:lol: I was hoping someone else would be the guinea pig here.

maybe i will then.

then give it away in a contest, i don't really want one long term.

[Malik112099]

Go PSP Go!!!

[orntar]

is there any way to reorganize the dame game list?

i mean, i only have like 6 games, but what about when i have 12, or 20?

there needs to be a way to organize it all.

[LinkinPrime]

Isn't it like the PS3? Press triangle to see if there are sorting options.

[orntar]

Isn't it like the PS3? Press triangle to see if there are sorting options.
nope, you can only sort by expiration date. pretty useless.

[Droenixjpn]

I'll just get a PSP-3000, does pretty much everything a PSP Go can do, and then some (UMD).

[Paco]

I got a 3000. Only thing I hate is that I can only have one account on it at a time. I have like 30 import games from Hong Kong and Japan and I can only have one region at a time. I basically keep to my us account because of this.

[Bivensra]

nope, you can only sort by expiration date. pretty useless.

Hey Orntar I am asking you this question b/c you have been vocal on the chat. As I have said in the past I have a 1000 and 2000 and just received my Go yesterday b/ still working so I have not opened it. Can I download/upload my movies to the Go or do I have to purchase them from the Playstation Network? I ask b/c DVDs like Wolverine have a digital copy so I was wondering if I have to repurchase the movie from the network which would really suck. Thanks in advance from anybody who can answer the question. Also I see that Myst, Super Stardust, Unbound Saga and Brain Challenge are on sale, are any of them worth the 5 bucks asking price. Apologize in advance if this is not the correct forum to ask these questions.

[Homerun17]

echnochrome and super stardust are worth it. IMO.

[Ecofreak]

Just came back from a weekend trip to NYC and I am very happy with the PSP Go.

Great portability (fit easily in my jean pocket) + "Anywhere Pause Feature" = Great on-the-go entertainment.

And I'm extremely addicted to Puzzle Quest.

[Droenixjpn]

Can I download/upload my movies to the Go or do I have to purchase them from the Playstation Network? I ask b/c DVDs like Wolverine have a digital copy so I was wondering if I have to repurchase the movie from the network which would really suck. Thanks in advance from anybody who can answer the question.

Most likely you can put digital copies of movies onto the PSP Go, but you're probably going to need to transfer them to the PSP Go, through the Memory Stick slot, or by transferring them over to the PSP Go flash memory, with a USB data transfer cable.

You'll probably also have to convert the video file to something the PSP Go can recognize (I don't have a PSP Go or a PSP right now, so I don't know what video format they use.)

[Izod517]

MediaGo handles the conversion and the transfer quite nicely.

[Bivensra]

MediaGo handles the conversion and the transfer quite nicely.

Thanks for the responses.

[orntar]

Thanks for the responses.

sorry i wasn't on here, and it was already answered, but yes you can.

[J7.]

How much profit margin do you think retailers are demanding for PSP Go hardware?

[Ecofreak]

How much profit margin do you think retailers are demanding for PSP Go hardware?

I don't think retailers demand a specific amount of profit margin; rather, it's up to Sony to set the MSRP that is attractive to almost all of the usual retail chain.

[Izod517]

Hardware usually has somewhere in the neighborhood of 20% discount off of MSRP (at MOST) - which anyone in the business world will tell you is pretty much in the 'no real profit' zone. It's accessories where retailers make their profit. Mark up on that stuff is insane - in the neighborhood of 500-700%. Retailers do, in general demand a specific amount of profit margin - I mean, THEY are the first customer - however, usually the market ends up setting a general rule of thumb - which someone as powerful as Sony can pretty much follow or demand. I've worked with Sony before, and they pretty much do tell you whats up - but it's a fallacy to say that a manufacturer or publisher sets discount percents - those are negotiated between X chain and said manufacturer - in Sony's part they just happen to have more bargaining power than some others. Also if you see a sale that's nation-wide or a price reduction on a core product (say the PS3) - USUALLY the manufacturer and the retailer will do something called a 'shared' markdown, which is essentially both of them eating the cost 50/50 - although that's not always the case.

[Tux.Bobble]

Tux and Paddlefoot, thank you for the great reviews. Since the hard case is down to $13 at Amazon, I'll probably get it.

Linkinprime, I saw those clear plastic shields too. I have something like that on my DS and love it, but on this version, the plastic goes OVER the screen, so I worry about lint getting underneath and scratching.

Chakan, I know it's from a while back now, but I wound up getting the soft case too...twice. (Sort of)

See, I was told the one in a Play-Asia bundle was identical to the official US one. And it came with a strap and 2 screen protectors (the official kind) so I figured it couldn't hurt.

The strap was okay but I wouldn't use it--I don't strap my devices if they're this small--takes away from the sleekness. The screen protectors--thank god there were 2, the first I didn't read the instructions for, so I was all kinds of backwards lol. Second went on fine after I found the english instructions though.


The case was awful--it was just a slip-case. You slide the PSP Go into it from the side, and it's just there. No zipper, no closure, nothing. Very thin material too. I felt pretty jipped, so I ordered the official US padded case the next day.


It came yesterday, and it is a BEAST. It's kind of massive, relative to the Go. Still not terrible, but definitely won't fit in my pocket in this case.

Brief overview: It is a two-zipper side-open case. So if you're holding the case like you would hold the PSP when gaming, the zipper threads go from the top center, around the left side (when the case's logo is oriented properly), to the bottom center. Two zippers mean you can zip in either direction, based on preference--not that I care much, but I suppose someone might, if listening to the music and using headphones with it. (though you can't access any buttons easily in there...)

The material is very nice, and VERY well padded. I read a review once where someone said they'd be willing to drop the thing 4-5 feet and not worry due to the casing. I thought to myself "what the hell is wrong with that guy?!?" But now, I know what he meant. (Note, I still won't DO it, but I'm fairly confident it would survive without a scratch, based on how thick the padding is--hence why it's HUGE and not pocket-sized in this pouch)

The outside of the pouch has an extra flap, where you can put a memory card, or if small enough, headphones, or something like that. My headphones fit, but they're Shure earbuds, and the extension cable makes it a bit of a tight fit. I'm likely to carry them in their own case (Shure headphones come with their own zipper case as well) since I have it already, and as of right now I have no use for the extra flap on the outside of the Go's soft pouch. It also doesn't close up, but it's a pretty tight flap, so I doubt anything would fall out easily unless you really toss it around. It also isn't as padded, so it might be a concern if you carry your memory cards around without their plastic cases. (I don't know anyone who does that though)

Overall I'm really happy with this case as well. It likely wouldn't be my "every day" case, but if I plan on traveling, it could definitely have its place. Even in my laptop bag which I bring to work daily, it seems worthwhile to put it in here. If I accidentally flip it upside down and the laptop winds up on top of the Go, I'm not concerned at all. The hard case would also probably be fine in this situation, but since I have a bumpy car ride, the repeated impacts make me want the security blanket that is the soft pouch.

[J7.]

I don't think retailers demand a specific amount of profit margin; rather, it's up to Sony to set the MSRP that is attractive to almost all of the usual retail chain.
I read somewhere that with digital distribution consoles retail would demand a higher profit margin if they won't be able to sell games because as we know games are where they profit, they don't profit much off hardware at all.

[Bivensra]

maybe i will then.

then give it away in a contest, i don't really want one long term.

not sure if anyone purchased a crystal case box cover skin protector (long name) for the go. I did a couple of days ago and when I get it I will post my impressions.

[FroMann]

PSP Go! is actully selling in Japan atleast. Not as big as other launches though.

http://kotaku.com/5398939/pspgo-gives-playstation-a-big-slice-of-japanese-hardware-pie

[007]

I got to play around with the Go for about 30-40 minutes at a Sony store last week, and was impressed. As someone who was fairly cold (read: arctic) on the system initially, I can admit that form and function wise, I thought it was WORLDS above the PSP1000-3000. It was comfortable, looked sleeked, and didn't give me any of the cramping I've been expieriencing with my 3000.

What has yet to turn around for me, however, is the lack of UMD drive. If Sony could find a way to marry the overall form of the GO with a UMD drive, I'd be totally set. As it stands, though, I just can't get over that hurdle, especially as someone with a sizeable UMD collection.

I admit it, though, that after that playtime, I really wanted one. Not, you know, $250 wanted one, but I was sad that I had to go back to my 3000.

This is all irrelevant, really, but I figured I'd throw it out there.

[Apathetic-Irony]

See, I really want a PSP and do not care for UMDs... yet I cannot get myself to spend $250 on something I can get for $200 with a game and a bunch of other stuff. If I could find one in store for <$220 though, I'd be all over it.

Don't ask me why, but for some reason 219.99 seems like a magical price point for me to jump in.

[J7.]

See, I really want a PSP and do not care for UMDs... yet I cannot get myself to spend $250 on something I can get for $200 with a game and a bunch of other stuff. If I could find one in store for <$220 though, I'd be all over it.

Don't ask me why, but for some reason 219.99 seems like a magical price point for me to jump in.
Well when you add 8% tax to $220 it = $237, and here you can get it for $235 if Amazon charges no tax in your state http://www.amazon.com/PSPgo-Pearl-White-Sony-PSP/dp/B002CZ756I/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1257737955&sr=8-9

[Count]

Man, PSP GO is amazing. I don't think I'll ever come back to Reg. PSP anymore, even though I have a whole library of UMD..

[chakan]

I'm ordering a crystal case and screen protector from dealextreme. The traveler case gets a good review on kotaku: http://kotaku.com/5396777/pspgo-traveler-case-micro-review-stylish-and-sleek.

I bought the mercury double pack this week since they were on sale. They are well crafted games, but pretty challenging.

[SentryOmega]

Anyone know of any good cases for the PSP Go that have a hard cover and aren't the plastic attachments or the ones at B&M stores by Sony? I want to buy my brother a case for his Go but he doesn't seem to like the ones that he's seen from Sony (the clip on one, the soft case, and the one with the zipper). I found one at Play-Asia I thought he'd like but some some reason doesn't (http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-17x-49-en-70-3kpk.html). Has anyone seen anything similar to that?

[Tux.Bobble]

Anyone know of any good cases for the PSP Go that have a hard cover and aren't the plastic attachments or the ones at B&M stores by Sony? I want to buy my brother a case for his Go but he doesn't seem to like the ones that he's seen from Sony (the clip on one, the soft case, and the one with the zipper). I found one at Play-Asia I thought he'd like but some some reason doesn't (http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-17x-49-en-70-3kpk.html). Has anyone seen anything similar to that?

Wish I could help you there.

Honestly, I'm not sure what he doesn't like about the Sony ones. The only two I'm aware of that are OFFICIAL ones, at least in the US, are the zippered soft pouch, and the velcro hard case. I own both (for different purposes/occasions) and I love both, personally. I've posted feedback on both, and I really must vouch for their excellent quality.

Not really sure what WOULD work, if those two are both out of the question.

[SentryOmega]

Wish I could help you there.

Honestly, I'm not sure what he doesn't like about the Sony ones. The only two I'm aware of that are OFFICIAL ones, at least in the US, are the zippered soft pouch, and the velcro hard case. I own both (for different purposes/occasions) and I love both, personally. I've posted feedback on both, and I really must vouch for their excellent quality.

Not really sure what WOULD work, if those two are both out of the question.
Thanks. I like both of those as well but for whatever reason he doesn't like them. I might end up buying the hard case 'for me' (for the most part he lets me borrow it because I buy games) but only if it isn't too hard to take out.

[J7.]

So what's up with the title of the thread, is the OP leaving the $50 price drop there until it actually does happen?

[Tux.Bobble]

Thanks. I like both of those as well but for whatever reason he doesn't like them. I might end up buying the hard case 'for me' (for the most part he lets me borrow it because I buy games) but only if it isn't too hard to take out.

I don't have a problem with it. A lot of people have complained about it, but you can bend the "arms" back slightly, which loosens it up a bit.

I need two hands to get it out but it's definitely not difficult. I just pull back a little on the brackets, and use my thumbs to push the bottom upward. (making sure to apply pressure to both pieces of the console, not just the screen or control pad) I'm really happy with it. Only reason it came out was so that I could thoroughly review the soft case, but it'll be going back into the hard case again soon! (The hard case does fit in my pocket, after all, lol)

[h3llbring3r]

So what's up with the title of the thread, is the OP leaving the $50 price drop there until it actually does happen?
Sorry I haven't updated the OP in a while. The Euro drop and the short lived (but large market) $199 Fry's sale got me all worked up over nothing.

I was going to post some Japanese launch day sales comparisons of handhelds but didn't want to accused of flame baiting.

Updating thread title.

[J7.]

Thanks. I think we'll see an offical pricedrop not long after Christmas. Should be interesting to see what retailers do before that happens.

[token2k6]

I own all three cases sold in the US. The one that advertises it can convert into a a stand is pitiful b/c it doesn't even stand up! I don't use that one at all. I'm constantly switching b/t the hard/velcro one when I know I'm going to be tucking it into my pocket, and if i'm just going out for a drive, listening to some MP3's, I'll toss it in the soft/neporene/zipper pouch. They are both great.

However, thanks to chakan & SentryOmega on the tips to look at dealextreme and play-asia, I now want to seek out a hard plastic shell (I can't believe they're not available here yet!) Dealextreme pricing looks way too low (what gives?) and the hard screen there looks like there is a cut-out where the screen is. Play-asia looks like it covers the whole thing, but for a premium price. The only thing that sucks is switching to the plastic shell case, I can guarantee you cannot use the hard/velcro one anymore b/c of the tight fit. (if you could, that would be FTW!)

Do I have anything to worry about from ordereing Play-asia? also, a lot of that says made for Japan PSPgo model, again, is that a problem? or are they all universal??

[Tux.Bobble]

I own all three cases sold in the US. The one that advertises it can convert into a a stand is pitiful b/c it doesn't even stand up! I don't use that one at all. I'm constantly switching b/t the hard/velcro one when I know I'm going to be tucking it into my pocket, and if i'm just going out for a drive, listening to some MP3's, I'll toss it in the soft/neporene/zipper pouch. They are both great.

However, thanks to chakan & SentryOmega on the tips to look at dealextreme and play-asia, I now want to seek out a hard plastic shell (I can't believe they're not available here yet!) Dealextreme pricing looks way too low (what gives?) and the hard screen there looks like there is a cut-out where the screen is. Play-asia looks like it covers the whole thing, but for a premium price. The only thing that sucks is switching to the plastic shell case, I can guarantee you cannot use the hard/velcro one anymore b/c of the tight fit. (if you could, that would be FTW!)

Do I have anything to worry about from ordereing Play-asia? also, a lot of that says made for Japan PSPgo model, again, is that a problem? or are they all universal??

P-A is fine if you don't mind waiting without a tracking #. At least that was my experience.

As for the velcro case, it does stand, it's just not something I'd trust, as it has to be at the right angle, at which I can't even view the screen properly. As for the hard plastic shell, Im guessing it's not available because a) This is Sony's "premium" product and they don't want it to seem cheaper. And b) Third parties aren't convinced of hardware sales yet, so they're not supporting it all out just yet.

[Bivensra]

I need help converting movies using the media go software. I called Sony customer service and they were useless. I just want basic instructions on putting a movie on the darn thing. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Also it appears that new go memory cards will be released next week. Who has the best deals?
Thanks

[jonlubbe]

I need help converting movies using the media go software. I called Sony customer service and they were useless. I just want basic instructions on putting a movie on the darn thing. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Also it appears that new go memory cards will be released next week. Who has the best deals?
Thanks

Converting from what format? on what platform (mac/pc?)

Handbrake works great in converting decrypted dvds to the psp format.

[Bivensra]

Converting from what format? on what platform (mac/pc?)

Handbrake works great in converting decrypted dvds to the psp format.

The platform is pc. Re format? I just want to know how to put a store purchased DVD on my go. I have bought umds for my other psps so never dealt w/ the issue.
Thanks

[SentryOmega]

Anyone know what the deal is with the Amazon PSN Store? I really want to pick up some games for this thing but I refuse to pay $40 for them. Amazon's selection of PSP games are pretty slim and either range from older titles to PS1 titles. However newer games that arrive on Thursday updates don't arrive on Amazon at all.

The UMD for Jak is going for $30 and it's really killing me. The faintest splinter of hope tells me Amazon might be able to price codes on their own terms (if they ever receive them). However I do know Sony has got their greedy little paws on all methods of digital distribution.

Also, does anyone have any idea if Crisis Core will arrive anytime soon? I hope I don't make anyone mad but I'm not sure if everyone is in the dark or just me.

Is there any hope?

[chakan]

Anyone know what the deal is with the Amazon PSN Store? I really want to pick up some games for this thing but I refuse to pay $40 for them. Amazon's selection of PSP games are pretty slim and either range from older titles to PS1 titles. However newer games that arrive on Thursday updates don't arrive on Amazon at all.

The UMD for Jak is going for $30 and it's really killing me. The faintest splinter of hope tells me Amazon might be able to price codes on their own terms (if they ever receive them). However I do know Sony has got their greedy little paws on all methods of digital distribution.

Also, does anyone have any idea if Crisis Core will arrive anytime soon? I hope I don't make anyone mad but I'm not sure if everyone is in the dark or just me.

Is there any hope?
I don't know the specific answer to your questions, but I always keep an eye on this thread:
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238357
FriskyTanuki is great about updating the new releases, and he may know about future releases.

[FriskyTanuki]

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/10/08/interview-sceas-eric-lempel-on-amazons-psn-offerings/

This pretty much explains the whole Amazon situation.

[Gothic Walrus]

Anyone know what the deal is with the Amazon PSN Store?

What's the deal with Sony's PSN store? Little Big Planet isn't available for download yet (http://kotaku.com/5407639/why-isnt-littlebigplanet-psp-on-the-playstation-network-yet), even though it's already available in UMD form.

Is this an isolated occurrence, or is there usually a delay between UMD release and PSN release for new titles? Any idea what might be behind the delay? Since Sony published the game, there shouldn't be any hiccups with getting approval to release on PSN, and you'd think that for a title as big as this one they'd want a simultaneous release so they don't screw over anyone with the PSPgo.

If it pops up on Thursday, I guess that'd be understandable, even if it isn't a good idea. Making PSPgo owners wait an extra few days is not wise - look at the way Steam customers reacted when Modern Warfare 2's unlock lagged behind the release of the console and retail versions for no apparent reason.

[chakan]

If it pops up on Thursday, I guess that'd be understandable, even if it isn't a good idea. Making PSPgo owners wait an extra few days is not wise - look at the way Steam customers reacted when Modern Warfare 2's unlock lagged behind the release of the console and retail versions for no apparent reason.

Since when has Sony been wise about how they handled issues around the Go?

[FriskyTanuki]

Today on the blog we informed readers that LBP PSP is not currently available on the PlayStation Store (link below). The goal is to have titles available on the PS Store and at retail on the same day, and that is usually the case. We're aware LBP isn't on the PS Store just yet, and are working on solving that as we speak. This is also affecting our distribution of voucher codes for media, which I realize is a huge inconvenience. We appreciate your patience and will provide an update as soon as we can.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/11/littlebigplanet-goes-portable/ (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/11/littlebigplanet-goes-portable/)
They had maintenance on the store yesterday, so something's still wrong that's keeping them from getting it up there. I think Kenka Bancho's the only other game that hasn't been up there on Tuesday.

[Gothic Walrus]

They had maintenance on the store yesterday, so something's still wrong that's keeping them from getting it up there. I think Kenka Bancho's the only other game that hasn't been up there on Tuesday.

Okay, in that case then Sony's in the clear, although I could swear I'd heard they uploaded other games last night. I saw the non-answer on Kotaku and figured that there wasn't a reason for the delay.

Carry on. :)

[J7.]

Sony should just change PSN store updates to Tuesdays.

[Ecofreak]

Sony should just change PSN store updates to Tuesdays.

QFT. PSN is losing sales on some multiplatform games and DLC since Live updates on Tuesdays, and some gamers are impatient (among other reasons). There's really no advantage to waiting until Thursday IMO.

[SentryOmega]

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/10/08/interview-sceas-eric-lempel-on-amazons-psn-offerings/

This pretty much explains the whole Amazon situation.
Thanks! So there is hope...

[token2k6]

QFT. PSN is losing sales on some multiplatform games and DLC since Live updates on Tuesdays, and some gamers are impatient (among other reasons). There's really no advantage to waiting until Thursday IMO.

you QFT! :lol: Live updates on Wednesday, not Tuesday...Nintendo is Monday. IMO it's nice to have these spread out, but seeing as how Sony constantly delivers the goods (meaning more amount (content) of stuff than Ninty or MSFT gives you on their updates) on Thursday, i wish they got to update earlier in the week and push Nintendo to the end!!

I haven't got any XBL games since the Summer of Arcade, but week after week I can always find something cheap on PSN and love it!!

[h3llbring3r]

Parenthesis within parenthesis is win.

[Gothic Walrus]

Sony should just change PSN store updates to Tuesdays.

I've always thought that the days they picked for releases were intentional. Tuesday is traditionally the physical media release day, for any new games movies, or music. Friday is the release day for new movies. That leaves Monday, Wednesday, and Thursday as the remaining weekdays for new releases...and each console company has picked one.

The way I see it, they did it this way so that they aren't overshadowed by other releases or by each other. That's the only logical explanation I've come up with for why things shook out the way they did - this schedule gives each company their own little day in the spotlight.

[FriskyTanuki]

They've also changed the ways at least demos have released since a lot of them come out on Thursdays now even if MS paid for a week's exclusivity of a demo.

[berzirk]

Okay, in that case then Sony's in the clear, although I could swear I'd heard they uploaded other games last night. I saw the non-answer on Kotaku and figured that there wasn't a reason for the delay.

Carry on. :)


They uploaded Assassin's Creed earlier this week...on Tuesday I believe. They just can't get their sh** together with a Sony developed game. It's a mess...just like the Go.

[seanr1221]

So besides using a PS3 controller on the system, what's the benefit of Bluetooth?

[token2k6]

So besides using a PS3 controller on the system, what's the benefit of Bluetooth?

Bluetooth headphones! I started a thread on this, but it wasn't popular - AT ALL! I plan on getting some for X-mas, can't wait!!

[h3llbring3r]

So besides using a PS3 controller on the system, what's the benefit of Bluetooth?

Bluetooth headphones! I started a thread on this, but it wasn't popular - AT ALL! I plan on getting some for X-mas, can't wait!!

And it drains the battery 33% faster when on!

Hopefully something else will come along and make this more useful.

[manthing]

Bluetooth headphones! I started a thread on this, but it wasn't popular - AT ALL! I plan on getting some for X-mas, can't wait!!

http://gizmodo.com/5369490/bluetooth-headphone-battlemodo-the-best-isnt-the-best

[Halo05]

So I finally got around to trying a PSP Go (at Best Buy) and I was pleasantly surprised. The system is attractive and the controls aren't any worse than the PSP 2000/3000's. I can't ever see myself ditching a UMD-equipped PSP for a Go but if they drop significantly in price, I'll definitely bite.

[lilboo]

The problem with the Go is the price... and that's like.. it. It's wayyyyy too expensive.
For $50 more you can just buy a PS3. Seems silly...

[Malik112099]

I keep noticing PSP-3000 bundles (Assassin's Creed, Gran Turismo) and am wondering where the fuck the PSP Go bundles are!? It's like they arent even trying to sell this thing.

[Halo05]

I keep noticing PSP-3000 bundles (Assassin's Creed, Gran Turismo) and am wondering where the fuck the PSP Go bundles are!? It's like they arent even trying to sell this thing.

Sadly this.

If I have my dates accurate, both the GT and the Assassin's Creed bundles came out after the Go. Crazy Sorny.

EDIT - Especially weird that the GT bundle didn't involve the Go. It's essentially a Sony game, they can conceivably print as many download vouchers for the game as they want. Crazy that there wasn't a $250 PSP Go GT bundle in the US.

[FriskyTanuki]

A more expensive PSP Go? That just sounds like a bad idea.

[Javery]

For $250 they should throw in 3 or 4 digital download codes - this would at least in theory get it in the price range of a 3000.

[georox]

For $250 they should throw in 3 or 4 digital download codes - this would at least in theory get it in the price range of a 3000.

You'd see that 16gb of memory get cut too then, to pull it back into that price range.

[Ecofreak]

For $250 they should throw in 3 or 4 digital download codes - this would at least in theory get it in the price range of a 3000.

QFT. Direct Download is scary at first for those who don't have any experience, so give them a free "hit" and they'll be hooked. Sony's loses are minimal if they were to pack in a $10-25 PSN card, and they're already making money off of each PSP Go sold.

Also never understood why the same logic hasn't been applied to the PS3.

[Halo05]

A more expensive PSP Go? That just sounds like a bad idea.

Who said anything about making it more expensive?

[FriskyTanuki]

Because the PSP bundles are more expensive than the normal PSP, so PSP Go bundles would be more expensive than a normal PSP Go.

[Halo05]

Because the PSP bundles are more expensive than the normal PSP, so PSP Go bundles would be more expensive than a normal PSP Go.

The normal PSP Go never should've been $250. For $250, there should be something more in the box other than the system. Sony can (presumably) generate download vouchers for any of their first party games. Give people Motorstorm, give people the new Jak and Dexter game, give out Gran Turismo.

[FriskyTanuki]

Just because the production costs are reduced, it doesn't mean they'd have to give it away for nothing since that's not how they've done bundles so far. I really doubt they'd do bundles for the Go anyway, though it would be nice to have a free game to go with it.

[007]

The moment I knew the Go was dead in the water, even to Sony, was when that very first Gran Turismo commercial came out and he was playing it on a 3000.

Even now, most of the actual game commercials feature the 3000... if I'm not mistaken, the only time the Go has been featured (I.E., actually IN the commericial) were those Go specific ones... right or wrong?