PSP Go thread- [Mobile/Archive]

h3llbring3r

05-30-2009, 01:24 PM

Update:
First signs of $50 U.S. Price drop showing up! National large market retailer Fry's is offering $199.99 price this week. Is this going to be echoed at other retailers in the next few weeks?
sony-nixes-plans-for-umd-conversion-program-for-pspgo (http://kotaku.com/5367207/sony-nixes-plans-for-umd-conversion-program-for-pspgo)
-via Kotaku

Original PSP to PSPgo Peripheral adapter (price TBD):
http://www.joystiq.com/2009/09/24/stop-and-look-at-psp-gos-ridiculous-converter-cable/
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2009/09/pspgocableconvt5.jpg

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2009/09/2009-08-26_13-58-58-1_thumbnail.jpg (http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2009/09/2009-08-26_13-58-58-1.jpg)
Click for larger image.

New color:
White (pearl w- glitter):
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/06/white-psp-go-h-o-2009-06-05_07-25-39-rm-eng.jpg

Video- Shows button layout and both colors:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wYzqaNTccY

Limited (approximately 300) UMD title "good will" digital conversion coming:
(From Engadget (http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/04/sony-working-on-good-will-program-to-give-digital-copies-of-yo/))

Read early details:
We just sat down for an interview with Sony's John Koller, who among many other interesting tidbits and factoids (more on those later) assuaged fears that our giant UMD library would be entirely forsaken. While light on details -- they're still figuring it out, he said -- there will be a "good will" program by which owners of current disc-based titles will be able to obtain digital copies for use on the PSP Go (http://www.engadget.com/tag/PSPGo/) -- "a set number of titles for a set period of time," to be exact. He couldn't confirm all games, or at least all your personal collection, would be transferrable -- that might have to do with the number of digitized games they'll have at launch, which will be at least 300 but not the whole back catalog -- but despite calling it a short-term program he did say, should you receive a new UMD game later down the line, you should still be able to make the digital transfer. As for price, we're still looking to confirm something there, but they wouldn't be putting so much effort into the program if it wasn't at least for a discount, if not free.

If you happen to like your discs, Koller said UMDs aren't going by the wayside so long as the PSP is still around, but he expects digital to start taking an increasing share. Looking to the future, he confirmed all first-party titles and most third-party titles (by the developers' own volition, not a mandate) will be available as digital downloads day and date with the UMD hard copies, and yeah, despite the reduced shipping and manufacturing costs, it'll be for the same price, too.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/30/sonys-psp-go-leaks-out-before-e3-is-obviously-a-go/

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/05/sony-psp-go-small.jpg

Update:
Related?
Interesting (via joystiq):

A recent survey (http://www.joystiq.com/photos/psp-rental/2025355/full/) seeks consumer interest in a PSP game rental service. With the PSP Go all but confirmed a possibility (http://www.joystiq.com/tag/psp-go) and UMD on its way out (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/04/13/rumor-patapon-2-wont-be-sold-on-umd-retail-to-sell-psn-vouche/), a PSP that takes full advantage of the digital age and the PSN (http://joystiq.com/tag/psn-thursday) doesn't exactly sound like crazy talk. Plus, there's always going to be a rental market (http://joystiq.com/tag/gamefly), so why shouldn't Sony take advantage of that?

Depending on the terms and price, the idea of a direct rental service sounds like a potentially cost effective option for gamers during these hard economic times. Should it ever come to fruition, that is.
http://www.blogcdn.com/playstation.joystiq.com/media/2009/05/psprental580.jpg

LOL, I guess this is more like a subscription based DD than a rental but it has potential- Zune pass equivalent for PSN?
More unattractive pics here:

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q246/nightfall3n/pspgo2.jpg

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q246/nightfall3n/pspgo3.jpg

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q246/nightfall3n/pspgo5.jpg

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q246/nightfall3n/pspgo6.jpg

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q246/nightfall3n/pspgo7.jpg

Thanks freakyzeeky for the pics; It's not looking any better though.

Limited Spec info:
A few more official specifications are flowing from the full Qore video (http://www.viddler.com/explore/engadget/videos/417/) (pardon the sync issues). Here's the dirt:

3.8-inch display (resolution is undisclosed)
43 percent lighter than the PSP-3000
16GB of Flash storage
Bluetooth built-in; supports handset tethering and BT headsets
No UMD drive
Memory Stick Micro slot
New Gran Turismo, Little Big Planet and new Metal Gear Solid (!) on the way
Full PlayStation Network support (movie and TV rentals / purchases)
Integration with PlayStation 3 (works the same as the PSP-3000 does)
Sony views each of its products as "10-year lifecycle products," so the PSP "needs to live on."

From engadget:

Look up there, folks. That's the future of Sony's hopes and dreams in the handheld gaming sector. With just hours to go before the company's official E3 (http://www.engadget.com/tag/E3/) 2009 press event, it looks like the pieces are all coming together. First a UMD-less game release (http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/next-psp-to-rely-on-memory-stick-hg-micro-for-storage/), then a highly credible mole (http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/28/mole-says-umd-less-psp-go-is-on-for-e3-slimmer-ps3-to-follow/) giving the PSP Go a name, and now -- live action shots. The images here were sourced from an obviously slipped June 2009 Qore video, and aside from giving us a look at the slider-based system, we're also told that it'll tout 16GB of internal memory, built-in Bluetooth and an undisclosed memory slot. If all goes well, it'll ship this Fall for a price to be determined, and it's actually not slated to replace the PSP-3000 (http://www.engadget.com/tag/psp3000), as both of 'em will attempt to live on store shelves harmoniously... at least for awhile. Oh, and don't worry -- we'll be on hand in LA to bring you all the impressions we can muster early next week. Is that still a single analog set up, I see? :wall:

http://www.gamefocus.ca/UserFiles/Image/Sony/PSP/sony-psp-go-hi-res.jpg

More fleshed out details from Crave article:
From the video, here's what we can glean so far:
Form factor: The PSP Go has a 3.8-inch wide screen (versus 4.3-inch on all previous PSP models). It's said to be 43 percent lighter than the PSP 3000 (http://reviews.cnet.com/sony-psp/), which means it would tip the scales at about 3.8 ounces. The PSP Go design is very reminiscent of the Sony Mylo (http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6628525-1.html)--the screen slides up to reveal the controls.

Storage: The Go will offer 16GB of built-in flash memory, and it's expandable via a Memory Stick Micro slot. There is no UMD (Universal Media Disc) drive on the PSP Go. While that no doubt allows for the smaller size (and, we hope, the potential for better battery life), it also means there's no way to play existing PSP software you might own on the PSP Go.

Controls: While the layout may be different, the control scheme on the PSP Go looks to be little changed from earlier PSP models: a 4-way d-pad on the left, the standard quartet of geometrically coded Sony controls (circle, square, cross, triangle) on the right, select/start buttons in the center, and the PlayStation "home" button to the left of the screen.

A second analog control is always at or near the top of wish lists for PSP redesigns, so its absence is all but certain to get a thumbs-down from gamers. The single stick's placement--closer to the center of the control deck rather than the outside right, where it sits on earlier PSPs--could also be problematic. (That said, the Go control layout is more closely aligned to that of a traditional full-size PlayStation controller (http://reviews.cnet.com/game-accessories/sony-dualshock-3-black/4505-10110_7-32913551.html).)
None of the leaked info mentions touch-screen support, leading us to assume that the feature is not present on the PSP Go.

Wireless: In addition to certain Wi-Fi support, the PSP Go adds Bluetooth capability to the Sony handheld platform for the first time. In addition to support for standard Bluetooth headsets (and, presumably, A2DP headphones and speakers), Koller also specifies the ability to tether the PSP Go to a Bluetooth-enabled cell phone. The advantage of that isn't highlighted, but that would potentially allow Web browsing and online gaming via a tethered phone with a 3G data connection (when Wi-Fi access wasn't available).

Games: On the leaked Qore video, Koller specifically mentions PSP versions of Little Big Planet, Jak and Daxter, Gran Turismo, and "a new Metal Gear Solid." Jak and Daxter: The Lost Frontier (http://reviews.cnet.com/psp-games/jak-and-daxter-the/4535-10078_7-33576254.html) had been previously announced and a PSP Gran Turismo was originally shown off way back at E3 2004 (http://www.gamespot.com/psp/driving/granturismo/news.html?page=1&sid=6097100). A PSP-optimized Little Big Planet has been all but confirmed (http://kotaku.com/5221393/stephen-confirms-return-for-littlebigplanet-psp), and a new MGS game will likely be welcomed with open arms (assuming it's more like the action-packed Portable Ops (http://reviews.cnet.com/psp-games/metal-gear-solid-portable/4505-10078_7-31876481.html) and less like the bizarre Metal Gear Acid (http://reviews.cnet.com/psp-games/metal-gear-acid-psp/4505-10078_7-31314853.html)).
Koller also emphasizes casual games in the interview, implying that Sony would like to see the PSP platform become home to shorter, simpler "pick up and play" games that can be downloaded from the PlayStation Store on a whim.
As for the downloadable titles: a wide selection already exists on the PlayStation Store for existing PSP owners, and it's long been clear that Sony has been moving away from UMD. The recent high-profile Patapon 2 (http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10233559-1.html) game, for instance, is download-only.

Digital media support: Presumably, the Go will have at least the same baseline media features as the existing PSP models, which includes ample support for music, video, and photo files. Koller also mentions downloadable movies and TV shows (already available for purchase from Sony's existing iTunes-like PlayStation Store). Despite rumors of a downloadable music store (http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10246037-93.html), an online music option is notably not mentioned.

PS3 integration: Again, it appears that the existing interoperability between the PS3 and the PSP line will be carried over to the PSP Go. That includes the ability to cross-load some games and media, as well as the Remote Play option (access PS3-based content from the PSP over the Internet).

Price and availability: Koller says that it's coming in the fall of 2009; price isn't specified. He also confirms that the PSP 3000 will stay on the market concurrently. That, at least, is comfort for those of us who like to buy cheap used UMD-based PSP games, which are widely available.
Final thought: It's worth pointing out that the earlier leaks (http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10251113-1.html) on this product--right down to the name--have been remarkably accurate.

Also, looks like LBP for PSP is coming soon. (see screen)
Edit: Confirmed in the video-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykJFpWzj7eY

h3llbring3r

05-30-2009, 01:38 PM

Cell phone tethering? Hrmm, I bet AT&T says no, maybe Sony wants us to jail-brake our phones? Sony likes device hacking, right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ-EtvIhFRU

silent h3ro

05-30-2009, 01:42 PM

Here's a better quality vid I found:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykJFpWzj7eY

I'm not a big fan of the design but it does look a lot slimmer than the 3000 which is very nce.

h3llbring3r

05-30-2009, 01:45 PM

I'm not a big fan of the design but it does look a lot slimmer than the 3000 which is very nce.

Slimmer when it is slid open; I bet it is as thick if not thicker since it has got to have an intermediary housing behind the sliding portions. I could be wrong though.

Adding your better vid to the OP.

It having only a single analog still is very disappointing (I guess that's so it's design is more in-line with original PSP so than can continue to sell the 3000). Is Sony listening to PSP gamers at all? I'm worried it is going to have a cramped feel like the DS lite does, affecting those of us with large hands. I can't play a DSlite for more than 15-20 minutes, could be a deal-breaker for me.

Choosing to still sell the 3000 makes me wonder exactly how confident Sony is with this new product.

cochesecochese

05-30-2009, 01:48 PM

Crrrrrrrazy. Apparently a box shot got released and it looks just like the PS3 slim mockup box.

Lan_Zer0

05-30-2009, 02:04 PM

A second analog stick wouldn't make sense for a PSP revision. If this was PSP2, then we would have problems.

I'm ok with the design, but it really needs a touchscreen for menu interface if they still want to promote its media features. Otherwise, there is no way to interact with the device when its closed.

Also, if there's no way to transfer umd games, I will pass. I don't need a new psp that can't play my backlog of games.

smiggity

05-30-2009, 02:08 PM

They were playing Gran Tourismo Portable in that video.

KingBroly

05-30-2009, 02:39 PM

whoknows

05-30-2009, 02:46 PM

I'm glad they moved the analog nub over. I hate where it is on the current PSP.

cochesecochese

05-30-2009, 02:47 PM

They were also playing LBP, so what? The PSP go looks terrible. The moved the analog nub so much further over with making the d-pad bigger. I also don't understand the placement of the start/select buttons. I also don't see the PS button anywhere.
Left hand side of the top screen.

I like it but...this is CAG after all. My purchase hinges on two things:
1. Can I play my old UMD's on this mother?
2. What's the price?

smiggity

05-30-2009, 02:52 PM

They were also playing LBP, so what? The PSP go looks terrible. The moved the analog nub so much further over with making the d-pad bigger. I also don't understand the placement of the start/select buttons. I also don't see the PS button anywhere.

Gran Tourismo Portable is the most anticipated PSP release ever and was being hyped up when PSP 1000 came out. So I would say its a big deal dude. And WTF are you really using the start/select buttons for? One time a game to get past the menu?

ecmazza

05-30-2009, 02:53 PM

cochesecochese

05-30-2009, 02:55 PM

yeah, price will be king with this. the added convenience of not needing to carry games around with and having them all ready to go in the system is nice, but it is not nice that the PSP-used game market will no longer exist. And that means PSP games better get cheaper. I don't mind paying 10 bucks or so for a PSN or XBLA game, but not going to pay 30 for a digital only PSP game

Agreed. It's looking more and more like the PS3 slim is real and if that is the case then...well I'll be double dipping on the PS3 before I even consider buying a PSP GO. If it's less than $200 I'll throw it on the back burner. If it's less than $150 I'll just buy it.

freakyzeeky

05-30-2009, 02:56 PM

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q246/nightfall3n/pspgo1.jpg

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http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q246/nightfall3n/pspgo6.jpg

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q246/nightfall3n/pspgo7.jpg

whoknows

05-30-2009, 03:03 PM

$200 or less and I can see myself getting it. Looks nice.

Also depends on how much they charge for the games, especially since there will be no UMD's.

KingBroly

05-30-2009, 03:06 PM

Gran Tourismo Portable is the most anticipated PSP release ever and was being hyped up when PSP 1000 came out. So I would say its a big deal dude. And WTF are you really using the start/select buttons for? One time a game to get past the menu?

I don't care about GT. The next PSP game I will buy is LBP, then Kingdom Hearts. Beyond that, I don't care.

lilboo

05-30-2009, 03:07 PM

Hmm..:-k

PhaperPlane

05-30-2009, 03:14 PM

No second analog stick? :cry:

Looks quite nice in my opinion, but I guess we will have to wait and see for more info and release dates at E3. :)

mykee98

05-30-2009, 03:15 PM

it looks like they were playing warhawk also in the start up screen.

smiggity

05-30-2009, 03:16 PM

I don't care about GT. The next PSP game I will buy is LBP, then Kingdom Hearts. Beyond that, I don't care.

Remember you are in the minority on that 1

blueweltall

05-30-2009, 03:17 PM

Wouldn't it be crazy if it retail for $249.99?

kurokubushi

05-30-2009, 03:28 PM

They were also playing LBP, so what? The PSP go looks terrible. The moved the analog nub so much further over with making the d-pad bigger. I also don't understand the placement of the start/select buttons. I also don't see the PS button anywhere.

The ps button is on the lower left hand side of the sliding part of the psp.

The big thing for me is is if this will have PSN support. Because I refuse to use a credit card to buy all my games, but i can just buy psn cards, and use those for psp games I will get this as long as it isent to expensive.

Kfoster1979

05-30-2009, 03:35 PM

I see a few things that bug me.. 1) PSP 3000 is staying on the self, and I doubt we will see a price drop. So the Go with BT, and 16gb of storage is going to cost 200+. 2) No mention of what kind or if anything will be done with games you have on UMD. 3) They are doing both DL and UMDs.

I like it, but nothing stops me from DL games now. So unless I can get the Go for under 200, and have a way to play me current collection I think I will pass.

warpedcore

05-30-2009, 03:45 PM

Beige64

05-30-2009, 03:50 PM

I think it looks pretty ugly and i hate where they put the stick.

thingsfallnapart

05-30-2009, 03:50 PM

I will never support download games. Dont care how good the games are. Refuse to encourage the profiteer racketing publishers are promoting. They price fix the games by eliminating the used market and making it appear the game is in high demand by keeping the games priced high and expensive. And of course they can get away with this considering they control the point of distribution and you can't get it anywhere else.

kurokubushi

05-30-2009, 03:54 PM

The design isn't as elegant as the 3000 series for starters. I haven't yet heard one complaint about Sony shrinking the screen a half-inch (3.8 vs. 4.3). The sliding control pad is uninspiring if there's no touch screen controls. Lack of UMD means you can't use old games... and the used game market will dry up.

mabey because its a friken 1/2 an inch? Its not like they shrank it by 1/2 when people list stuff like this you know they are just searching for things to complain about.

The used game market wont dry up, considering the 3000 is still going to be selling, plus I bet we WILL se a price drop shortly after the release of the psp go, just like the lite droped by $30 after the dsi was released.

I'm sure sony will find a way to let you convert your had disks over to the go, Sony dse a pretty good job of supporting its fan base.

Stingermck

05-30-2009, 03:58 PM

Looks rather ugly to me. They said it will exist with the 3000, but how long until UMD quietly fades away...

62t

05-30-2009, 04:05 PM

The Sliver Ring around the d pad and the buttons make it real unsexy

007

05-30-2009, 04:06 PM

The used game market wont dry up, considering the 3000 is still going to be selling,

... I think you're missing the point. Looking at what Sony is doing (and has done, with Patapon 2) it seems clear that the goal is to eliminate UMD entirely. My guess is that if Patapon 2 was enough of a success, we won't see any more UMD based games from Sony. So, yeah, there will still be a used PSP game market, but it won't have any NEW games, which is close enough to dead.

That's the question... if they're still selling the 3000 and PSPGo!, are they going all digital distribution or not? It would make sense, as BOTH systems could use the DD games, but only ONE uses UMDs.

Like many, I'm not anywhere near sold on this thing, but the answer to the 'what about my already sizable UMD collection?' question will play a BIG role. The answer better not be "well, then you can buy a PSP3000!" (which is worrying, since that sounds eerily similar to the answer Sony had when the PS3 stopped being backwards compatible).

Kfoster1979

05-30-2009, 04:13 PM

The used game market wont dry up, considering the 3000 is still going to be selling, plus I bet we WILL se a price drop shortly after the release of the psp go, just like the lite droped by $30 after the dsi was released.

The DS Lite has been 129.99 since its launch in 2006.

I'm sure sony will find a way to let you convert your had disks over to the go, Sony dse a pretty good job of supporting its fan base.

Doubt it, in the video he kept talking about a digital and download strategy. Sony is going to try to ride both trains at first. If anything its the publishers who will make the push to go full download and no UMDs because of cost. Best case Sony says OK any game you have you can get the DL for 5 bucks, but how do you prove what games you own?

I will never support download games. Dont care how good the games are. Refuse to encourage the profiteer racketing publishers are promoting. They price fix the games by eliminating the used market and making it appear the game is in high demand by keeping the games priced high and expensive. And of course they can get away with this considering they control the point of distribution and you can't get it anywhere else.

It works for Apple, Steam, XBLA, and PSN. All have games go on sales all the time, and you cant "hide" sales if something isnt selling it just not selling. So you have Publisher A who wants to sell a game at 29.99, but no one buys it they are just going to keep it at that price and not cut it? Thing is this is the future just like with music, movies, Video Games are all going online distrbution.

62t

05-30-2009, 04:14 PM

rumarudrathas

05-30-2009, 04:19 PM

Okay, my take on the product.

I would really like to know the battery life of the PSP Go. I've been told that one of the reason the PSP3k and older models were known to have sub-par battery life due to the huge colored screen and a rotor-driven UMD drive. Now, we still have the same sizable screen (but whether or not it's bigger/better/more energy efficient is still up in the air), but they nixed the UMD drive and replaced it with a (hopefully togglable) Bluetooth connectivity.

Also, what's the Price? $200 to match the current PSP sounds really reasonable (with the current PSP going down in pricepoint), but again, the expectation is there for Go to be around the $250 pricepoint, which is a mistake when you compare that price with the DSi, iPhone/iPod Touch, or even the price of a home console.

I don't care for the Go revolving around a digital distribution system, since it's apparent there is a real market for those kind of things, and we have examples in the wild of such a economy being grossly succesful and profitable. But, we need to see the expected range of prices for the Digitial products. Seeing Patapon 2 hitting the e-shelves at $20 seems to be a good indication that the future of e-shelf pricing on retail games will be reasonable (though I haven't played the game myself).

Also, I think Sony is drawing a bit of inspiration from the Apple App store in regards to games. Small, bite-sized games ranging from $1-$10 sells pretty well in the App Store, and currently going through a Stick-War addiction, I could see Sony going towards the simplicistic micro-portable games model.

Now, I would really want better flash support, especially flash video, but we'll see if that can come to fruition this time around, or would I need to wait a bit longer or should I stick to my Touch?

As for a current owner of a PSP3k, "me no buy", and unless they become ridiculously cheap, I don't intend of ever "upgrading".

thingsfallnapart

05-30-2009, 04:20 PM

The DS Lite has been 129.99 since launch in 2009.

Doubt it, in the video he kept talking about a digital and download strategy. Sony is going to try to ride both trains at first. If anything its the publishers who will make the push to go full download and no UMDs because of cost. Best case Sony says OK any game you have you can get the DL for 5 bucks, but how do you prove what games you own?

It works for Apple, Steam, XBLA, and PSN. All have games go on sales all the time, and you cant "hide" sales if something isnt selling it just not selling. So you have Publisher A who wants to sell a game at 29.99, but no one buys it they are just going to keep it at that price and not cut it? Thing is this is the future just like with music, movies, Video Games are all going online distrbution.

I don't think they will cut it, because as long as their product has interest to sell and there is only one place to get it, then why should they drop the price at all?

There is a lot of people out there that think everytime you drop a price when there is no reason to that you are taking money out of their pocket. I see everything going to digital distribution as a sign of this attitude about to poke it's head threw malevolently.

Monsta Mack

05-30-2009, 04:21 PM

Well looks like that was real. Oh well got enough games for the old PSP to warrant the purchase.

Fuzi0n

05-30-2009, 04:23 PM

The new design and all DL content makes me very interested. I hope they go the way of apple and allow anyone to develop games and applications that can be put onto the market place for free/low cost.

Hi-res shot here: http://www.eurogamer.net/gallery.php?game_id=&article_id=587698

62t

05-30-2009, 04:37 PM

I don't think they will cut it, because as long as their product has interest to sell and there is only one place to get it, then why should they drop the price at all?

There is a lot of people out there that think everytime you drop a price when there is no reason to that you are taking money out of their pocket. I see everything going to digital distribution as a sign of this attitude about to poke it's head threw malevolently.

You can make the same argument for physical media. Nintendo has no reason to drop the price on Mairo Kart.

I gotten free downloads for PSN and XBLA. Do you think I will ever be able to walk in a store and walk away with a free game?

Kfoster1979

05-30-2009, 04:47 PM

Is the Screen OLD? If so that's a big check mark in the I want one column.

I don't think they will cut it, because as long as their product has interest to sell and there is only one place to get it, then why should they drop the price at all?
There is a lot of people out there that think every time you drop a price when there is no reason to that you are taking money out of their pocket. I see everything going to digital distribution as a sign of this attitude about to poke it's head threw malevolently.

People will always get pissed about a price drop that's just the nature of retail no matter what.

What I was getting at is the price fixing, as you put it, for digital content. There are numerous models out there that show it works and consumers find value in it. Like I said above Apple and Steam both have content on sale all the time and it drives up sales. Should I be pissed that I paid 9.99 for SimCity on my iPhone and a few months later they move it to 7.99 no because I found a good value in it for 9.99. Also publishers set the prices not the content servers they just take a cut, well in apples case, so if Someone wants to sell something on the PSN for 5.00 bucks so be it, but they will only make maybe a buck per download.

You can make the same argument for physical media. Nintendo has no reason to drop the price on Mairo Kart.

I gotten free downloads for PSN and XBLA. Do you think I will ever be able to walk in a store and walk away with a free game?

No shit, This is why Nintendo First party games never go down in price (very much). I held out for Super Smash Bros for the GCN forever and got it for 24.99 at target 2 years after it came out.

FroMann

05-30-2009, 05:00 PM

I like the location of the nub. I am all about games on just the memory stick or built in memory. Looks great too. I just want to know what this thing feels like and the price. I would think if this thing doesn't use UMDs and has smaller parts it would use less battery life. Yes?

knightsdwn

05-30-2009, 05:04 PM

Imagine the possibilities when the hackers get their grubby hands on this thing :-#.

I'm hoping Sony doesn't pull another PS3 launch and price this bad boy way out of reach for most of us.

tenzor

05-30-2009, 05:05 PM

looks awesome, but I am worried about three main things:

1. Analog Stick placement (and while on the subject where is the second damn analog!)

2. Price. Often new sleek technology gadgets like this when first announced always carry a hefty price tag. Plus having 16gigs of internal memory versus the PSP-3000 1gb Entertainment pack going for $199.99, I would have to predict that the PSP Go will cost at least $229.99-$249.99.

Remember the 16gb Ipod Touch does not cost $199.99 or less, but more like $299.99.

3. Current and Future PSP UMDs. Since they mention the PSP-3000 will be available still with the PSP GO will that mean they still plan on releasing UMD games in retail stores along with PSN digital downloads? What about my current games that I own, will their be any FREE way of getting those games to be played on the new PSP Go ? How sony handles this will determine if they get my money or not.

ecmazza

05-30-2009, 05:08 PM

any idea/thoughts on the battery, that is, user replaceable or not...i dont see a battery compartment...are going the way of the ipod, b/c that would make me kinda mad...for example when the battery dies would sony replace it for you, what about years from now, then what do you do???

Monsta Mack

05-30-2009, 05:09 PM

Also any word on if people will be able to download their UMD titles to the new PSP? Cause thats the only reason I would get one, and it looks like my friend is in the same boat... and everything is pointing towards No in that respect.

62t

05-30-2009, 05:12 PM

Imagine the possibilities when the hackers get their grubby hands on this thing :-#.

I'm hoping Sony doesn't pull another PS3 launch and price this bad boy way out of reach for most of us.

The hackers havent done much with PSP 3000 or PS3

h3llbring3r

05-30-2009, 05:19 PM

BT & oLED? I am betting on $250 then.
I do support DLC games but not for more than $20.

The analog stick looks way too cramped where it is for people with large hands; I wont know for sure until I get my hands on it then, reserving judgment on that issue until then.

However, if the price is excessive and I am going to have trouble getting my old catalog of PSP games on it- then it's on the fail train to nowheresville for me.

Seems I am not alone in the "it's hideous" camp. It's not banana controller bad but . . . :puke: (However, I often find myself wishing the banana controller was released- As my disdain for the DS3 grows daily).

Ecofreak

05-30-2009, 05:40 PM

Monsta Mack

05-30-2009, 05:41 PM

Given the track record of recent Sony losses they aren't like MS and can afford massive losses so this will be priced at the point with little to no loss and maybe even a slight profit.

h3llbring3r

05-30-2009, 05:48 PM

For people who are concerned with the placement of the analogue stick, the system itself looks like it has the same dimensions of the regular PS controller -- and people seem to be just find with that. My only problem w/ the PSP analogue stick is how low it is the base; but then again, I've only played a PSP for ~30 minutes total.

I'm not fine with it (the DS3 layout) and I know most gamers I talk to aren't either. Also note that the PSP go lacks the palm grip surface resting under your thumb-swell that the DS3 and older PS controllers possess; So balancing it without much support and reaching your thumb over to the center numb looks uncomfortable, but like I said- only hands on will tell.

Given the track record of recent Sony losses they aren't like MS and can afford massive losses so this will be priced at the point with little to no loss and maybe even a slight profit.

I'm afraid your right, I predict a higher than expected launch price.

Ecofreak

05-30-2009, 05:54 PM

I'm not fine with it (the DS3 layout) and I know most gamers I talk to aren't either. Also note that the PSP go lacks the palm grip surface resting under your thumb-swell that the DS3 and older PS controllers possess; So balancing it without much support and reaching your thumb over to the center numb looks uncomfortable, but like I said- only hands on will tell.

Well that's strange -- because a the DS3 is configured just like the DS2 which was part of the PS2, which sold millions and millions of consoles. Just seems...unlikely, that most gamers you know would be so against a controller that's been in use for...over 10 years now? Guess the Xbox controller must have been sliced bread to you all.

I'm cautiously optimistic that the analogue nub will be satisfactory, although more cautious than optimistic.

Given the track record of recent Sony losses they aren't like MS and can afford massive losses so this will be priced at the point with little to no loss and maybe even a slight profit.

Things the PSP GO will lose compared to PSP Olds:
- Some Size
- UMD Port

Things it will Gain:
- Bluetooth
- 16 GB internal storage (probably flash based or some equivalent)
- Sliding mechanism

I don't expect the price point to be all that different -- especially considering that they're going to be targeting the same casual audience as the iPhone. May not be the best news for we core gamers, but hopefully Sony will have realized that throwing in everything and the kitchen sink doesn't translate into sales if people can't really understand the value associated with the hardware.

Malik112099

05-30-2009, 05:56 PM

I love how Sony built in Bluetooth 2.1 into the PSP Go so you could used the PS3's Cotroller to play it WOW!!! so Hyped.

Plus with PS3 remote play you can basically PLay your PS3 games on your PSP Go anywhere you are basically making it a Portable PS3

you obviously know little of what you speak

What is the point of using a separate controller on a portable system?

Have you ever used remote play? As far as gaming goes, it seems its only worthwhile purpose is to tell you what game is currently in your PS3.

h3llbring3r

05-30-2009, 06:01 PM

Well that's strange -- because a the DS3 is configured just like the DS2 which was part of the PS2, which sold millions and millions of consoles. Just seems...unlikely, that most gamers you know would be so against a controller that's been in use for...over 10 years now? Guess the Xbox controller must have been sliced bread to you all.

Since the introduction of an upper mounted asymmetric analog stick has proven significantly more comfortable and functional for most gamers I know- the dated (a 10 year old design dating back to the PS1 dual) and poor ergonomics of the low-center left analog seem a poor design choice and a step backwards from even the original PSP.

& FWIW: yes most gamers I know do not like the archaic Dual Shock analog layout anymore.

And how exactly is a "sliding mechanism" a "gain" this is usually a negative for me as IME it greatly increases device failure/breakage. I would rather it clam-shell open and closed to protect the screen and provide more controller area, but I'm sure that would make it look too much like the DS for Sony's taste.

briandadude

05-30-2009, 06:14 PM

Wow. That looks bad. No way it will be less than $200 and I'm sure you won't be able to transfer UMD games to it. Looks like my configured PSP 2000 is still tops!

knightsdwn

05-30-2009, 06:30 PM

The hackers havent done much with PSP 3000 or PS3

True but they've made small strides that could potentially lead into something huge. I'm not holding my breath though but it's nice to speculate.

I wish it took MS Duos instead of M2 though just because it's more readily available and that I have several unused ones sitting around :cry:.

KingBroly

05-30-2009, 06:36 PM

Seems I am not alone in the "it's hideous" camp. It's not banana controller bad but . . . :puke: (However, I often find myself wishing the banana controller was released- As my disdain for the DS3 grows daily).

You and I both know you'd buy a PS3 Banana Controller. $250 price point...maybe. 16gb of space might be the telling factor here. Bluetooth is a surprise, but the Start/Select button placement is bad (it's where a 2nd stick should be, and we all know it). Other than that, it looks like the bad mockup 1up did.

Oh, and regarding the sliding nature. They missed the boat on this because it's not like the DS/GB in where the screen was protected when it's closed. A feature I like.

h3llbring3r

05-30-2009, 06:42 PM

I wish it took MS Duos instead of M2 though just because it's more readily available and that I have several unused ones sitting around :cry:.

Hrmm, thats another issue for me. I haven't bought any MS micros and really don't want to have to. I am happily using nothing but SD's and microSDs with the exception of my DSLR (CF) and Camcorder (MSduos).

You and I both know you'd buy a PS3 Banana Controller. $250 price point...maybe. 16gb of space might be the telling factor here. Bluetooth is a surprise, but the Start/Select button placement is bad (it's where a 2nd stick should be, and we all know it). Other than that, it looks like the bad mockup 1up did.

Oh, and regarding the sliding nature. They missed the boat on this because it's not like the DS/GB in where the screen was protected when it's closed. A feature I like.

:lol: You know it, with my Peyronie's I would definitely be more comfortable with the banana-rang. ;)

Indeed, the slide could end up being problematic.

Monsta Mack

05-30-2009, 06:45 PM

It takes M2 over Pro Duos? I missed that to.

Cao Cao

05-30-2009, 06:45 PM

Is the Screen OLD? If so that's a big check mark in the I want one column.

All signs point to no. I would think that if it was OLED, Sony would have made it clear in one of the slides. The screen segment also looks a bit too thick, going against OLED's usual paper-thin profile; though the fact that the screen is in its own segment should be proof enough, as such a design would be problematic for OLED. It's a nice tech on paper, but the simple fact is that OLED is far too early in development to surpass LCD in the case of a device like a portable game console. It is still too expensive and has some basic problems that need to be solved before it would be of practical use in this situation.

As for my thoughts: It's an interesting design, and it seems to side-step the PSP's biggest challenge, though it may simultaneously serve to exacerbate a different flaw.

At first, I was a bit negative on the control layout, but after looking at it some more, it seems to work, though I really can't comment on the ergonomics. The placement and design of the Start/Select buttons is pretty odd, but I see no indication that it will cause any problems. The sliding function is stylistically interesting, but nowadays seems functionally useless due to the lack of a touchscreen. I just hope that Sony at least tries to make the most of it with some basic precautions: 1) Strong Anti-scratch coating for the screen. 2) A really really really really really really really really really really really sturdy sliding mechanism.

From a consumer analysis point-of-view, I really can't see any basic functional advantage that this has over the current model. Unless it has some new specs, it looks like shelling out more cash for a more narrow range of buying options. You can already download all of the current and future games available on PSN to the older models, but you still have the option of buying them in-store on UMD. You lose nothing by going with the older model, which is an advantage in one case (No forced obsolescence), but is at the same time becomes a disadvantage for the Go! itself.

As I said, it's an interesting design, and an interesting concept to watch, but I would have rather that they had saved this design for a year, add touchscreen functionality to give the sliding a purpose, put a second analog nub where the start/select keys are (The circle shape is practically asking for a nub), move the start/select button to the lower part of the control layout, and make the major internal upgrades that would turn it into the PSP2.

knightsdwn

05-30-2009, 07:11 PM

It takes M2 over Pro Duos? I missed that to.

Yeah, I remember reading the spec rundown on Engadget and seeing the Go only taking M2s.
I've actually checked the prices of these M2s on Amazon and they aren't that bad at all. Roughly 13 to 16 smackers for a 4GB stick is very reasonable.

Vanigan

05-30-2009, 07:13 PM

Keep in mind that the internal 16gb flash memory is just that, flash memory. It's the same stuff that is put, very cheaply, into USB flash drives that practically everyone carries around these days. So that amount of internal memory won't have that bad a price influence.

The bluetooth integrations sounds like it has the latest format, which I hope means you can send all audio through bluetooth so you can hear regular game audio, not just voice chat. It's also likely you can control the PSP's music player from

I'm currently torn between this, and an iPod Touch as I have a mobile gadget budgeted in. The touch is way more forward looking than the PSP. However, if Sony announces certain kinds of support for the PSP my opinion may shift back. But they'll have to allow almost all developers to develop on the PSP and upload to the PSN, much like the apple app store

Monsta Mack

05-30-2009, 07:26 PM

Yeah, I remember reading the spec rundown on Engadget and seeing the Go only taking M2s.
I've actually checked the prices of these M2s on Amazon and they aren't that bad at all. Roughly 13 to 16 smackers for a 4GB stick is very reasonable.

Yeah M2's are actualy pretty cheap.

@ Mr Twist

Good points, but where did you read external UMD player? I also don't see why Sony would go with "mini" blu-rays if the biggest point of going digital only is to stop piracy/the convenience of not carrying games all over the place.

RelentlessRolento

05-30-2009, 07:49 PM

i got mixed feelings about this.

kurokubushi

05-30-2009, 07:57 PM

I just realized something. I'm ot geting my hopes up uver it, but what we see may very well be a prototype version of the psp-go, they could go the same route as the ps3 "boomarang" controller and chage the design due to negative consumer reactions.

doodofdoods

05-30-2009, 08:01 PM

Looks like I'll be sticking with the psp-2000.

RelentlessRolento

05-30-2009, 08:02 PM

the only thing I think they fucked up with this is the start and select buttons... those shouldn't be there... put a damn extra analog!

Cthulhu8u

05-30-2009, 08:03 PM

Mr.Twist:
I still don't see mention of the OLED on this device, I guess it would be nice though. I dunno about an external UMD player either, Sony wants the UMD to die, so why extend the life beyond where it is now? More likely they will release games both as disc and downloads for a while, then phase out UMD totally.
I don't see mini Blu-ray being successful either, Sony tried something similar with UMD/DVD releases in one box, and you don't see those around anywhere now.

I'm not buying this as it stands, unless the price is really impressive, or it impresses me in store.
:?: And where the heck is the video-out cable? Why would Sony get rid of that?

RelentlessRolento

05-30-2009, 08:08 PM

I will say that Little Big Planet looks nice on it.

johnnypark

05-30-2009, 08:10 PM

No mention of battery life... hopefully it'll be an improvement over the current PSP.

Monsta Mack

05-30-2009, 08:14 PM

No mention of battery life... hopefully it'll be an improvement over the current PSP.

Battery Life is already extended by hours when reading off a memory card as opposed to UMD. Atleast thats what all my non-paying gamers tell me :P

Also I think we are all forgetting one huge thing: Prices on games. If games are download only, what do you guys think about prices drops on download only titles?

Mr. Anderson

05-30-2009, 08:18 PM

I like the design. No added analog stick sucks, but like some others said, I can understand Sony saving that for the PSP2. It looks much more efficient than the the PSP-2000, and battery life will be much, much improved. I can't wait for E3 to hear some more details!

RelentlessRolento

05-30-2009, 08:20 PM

Monsta Mack

05-30-2009, 08:21 PM

Example: Killzone PSP $16 (plus taxes I'm assuming for everything) eBay: $8 or less. Brand new on Wal-Mart.com for $11.
The Con, Field Commander, Gangs of London ($23? WTF?), Locoroco 1 $23, PaRappa $23 and many more can be found a lot cheaper B&M and on eBay. These prices do not bold well for future download only games

Hopefully third party games end up a lot cheaper.

RelentlessRolento

05-30-2009, 08:24 PM

if all UMD download games drop by $50-$10, i'm fine with it.

Blackout

05-30-2009, 08:29 PM

RelentlessRolento

05-30-2009, 08:35 PM

It looks ok but I'm going to pass unless I start seeing some real game support. I wonder how I'm supposed to get all my UMD PSP games on this thing. Will I be able to slide the system right into my pocket?

it's small enough now to actually put in your pocket. I'd advise against it personally since PSP screens always scratch easily. Here's hoping for some crazy ass logitech case now.

doodofdoods

05-30-2009, 08:37 PM

I would think price drops would have to occur on the older psp games. I think $10 will be the standard price for most umd games for the old psp, while new releases will get $20-$30 price tags.

Blackout

05-30-2009, 08:37 PM

it's small enough now to actually put in your pocket. I'd advise against it personally since PSP screens always scratch easily. Here's hoping for some crazy ass logitech case now.

Well that's good. A handheld gaming device that actually comfortably fits into my pocket for once.

Loonknight

05-30-2009, 08:57 PM

I'm going to see where this goes, if the prices on the downloadable games are decent enough I'll pick one up eventually.

That and I have to actually hold one to make sure it the controls work for me.

RelentlessRolento

05-30-2009, 09:04 PM

Well, Kaz has stated very recently that PSN is going to be a larger emphasis now and the PSP Go proves they need it to be a priority now.

Malik112099

05-30-2009, 09:18 PM

Sony Person 1: Shit man, we are losing this gen's console war to Microsoft and Nintendo is stomping a mud puddle in our ass in the handhelds.

Sony Person 2: Yeah, it is rough. We are bleeding money from our asses.

Sony Person 1: WTF should we do man!?!?

Sony Person 2: I don't know. This is tough. Maybe we could drop the price of the PS3 in anticipation of all the good games we will be showing at E3?

Sony Person 1: Nah...How bout we redesign the PSP the way all the gamers say we should?

Sony Person 2: Nope...I know...Lets take the current PSP and smash it into a Mylo. No disc/game drive/slot of any sort, smaller screen, only one sliding analog stick in a slightly different painful place, Make the controls slide under the screen thus giving more moveable parts to break and lets price it the same if not more than the already failing PSP!

Sony Person 1: Brilliant!

Sony Person 2: Brilliant!

Monsta Mack

05-30-2009, 09:18 PM

So all of a sudden they'll start lowering the prices of PSN titles? I kinda doubt it. Just saying a lot of games that are $23 can be found cheaper elsewhere, and as a PSP GO! Owner you'll be stuck with the PSN prices unless they start doing deals similar to XBox Gold.

Malik112099

05-30-2009, 09:23 PM

The only thing that would make the PSP Go worthwhile is piracy. That memory stick slot is gonna fuck them somehow.

RelentlessRolento

05-30-2009, 09:23 PM

h3llbring3r

05-30-2009, 09:24 PM

munch

05-30-2009, 09:27 PM

The nub is in the worst position possible.

TctclMvPhase

05-30-2009, 09:30 PM

I'm surprised it hasn't been touched on, buit the inclusion of bluetooth is pretty big IMHO... why?

well, for starters PS3 controllers are bluetooth, so it would have easier functionality with PS3 integration.

Thats a great point, bluetooth intergration also opens up a lot of possibilities for the CFW set.

Ill have to hold this before I pass judgement but at the very least Im gonna need it to be at a $129 price point or less...

h3llbring3r

05-30-2009, 09:33 PM

The nub is in the worst position possible.
^^this, without more palm support this might be it's biggest flaw.

There is a good article on Crave about it. I will C&P the details into OP. The details have all been posted elsewhere but it's a pretty well fleshed out overview of the "thus far" knowledge base for it.

From the video, here's what we can glean so far:

Form factor: The PSP Go has a 3.8-inch wide screen (versus 4.3-inch on all previous PSP models). It's said to be 43 percent lighter than the PSP 3000 (http://reviews.cnet.com/sony-psp/), which means it would tip the scales at about 3.8 ounces. The PSP Go design is very reminiscent of the Sony Mylo (http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6628525-1.html)--the screen slides up to reveal the controls.

Storage: The Go will offer 16GB of built-in flash memory, and it's expandable via a Memory Stick Micro slot. There is no UMD (Universal Media Disc) drive on the PSP Go. While that no doubt allows for the smaller size (and, we hope, the potential for better battery life), it also means there's no way to play existing PSP software you might own on the PSP Go.

Controls: While the layout may be different, the control scheme on the PSP Go looks to be little changed from earlier PSP models: a 4-way d-pad on the left, the standard quartet of geometrically coded Sony controls (circle, square, cross, triangle) on the right, select/start buttons in the center, and the PlayStation "home" button to the left of the screen.
A second analog control is always at or near the top of wish lists for PSP redesigns, so its absence is all but certain to get a thumbs-down from gamers. The single stick's placement--closer to the center of the control deck rather than the outside right, where it sits on earlier PSPs--could also be problematic. (That said, the Go control layout is more closely aligned to that of a traditional full-size PlayStation controller (http://reviews.cnet.com/game-accessories/sony-dualshock-3-black/4505-10110_7-32913551.html).)
None of the leaked info mentions touch-screen support, leading us to assume that the feature is not present on the PSP Go.

Wireless: In addition to certain Wi-Fi support, the PSP Go adds Bluetooth capability to the Sony handheld platform for the first time. In addition to support for standard Bluetooth headsets (and, presumably, A2DP headphones and speakers), Koller also specifies the ability to tether the PSP Go to a Bluetooth-enabled cell phone. The advantage of that isn't highlighted, but that would potentially allow Web browsing and online gaming via a tethered phone with a 3G data connection (when Wi-Fi access wasn't available).

Games: On the leaked Qore video, Koller specifically mentions PSP versions of Little Big Planet, Jak and Daxter, Gran Turismo, and "a new Metal Gear Solid." Jak and Daxter: The Lost Frontier (http://reviews.cnet.com/psp-games/jak-and-daxter-the/4535-10078_7-33576254.html) had been previously announced and a PSP Gran Turismo was originally shown off way back at E3 2004 (http://www.gamespot.com/psp/driving/granturismo/news.html?page=1&sid=6097100). A PSP-optimized Little Big Planet has been all but confirmed (http://kotaku.com/5221393/stephen-confirms-return-for-littlebigplanet-psp), and a new MGS game will likely be welcomed with open arms (assuming it's more like the action-packed Portable Ops (http://reviews.cnet.com/psp-games/metal-gear-solid-portable/4505-10078_7-31876481.html) and less like the bizarre Metal Gear Acid (http://reviews.cnet.com/psp-games/metal-gear-acid-psp/4505-10078_7-31314853.html)).
Koller also emphasizes casual games in the interview, implying that Sony would like to see the PSP platform become home to shorter, simpler "pick up and play" games that can be downloaded from the PlayStation Store on a whim.
As for the downloadable titles: a wide selection already exists on the PlayStation Store for existing PSP owners, and it's long been clear that Sony has been moving away from UMD. The recent high-profile Patapon 2 (http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10233559-1.html) game, for instance, is download-only.

Digital media support: Presumably, the Go will have at least the same baseline media features as the existing PSP models, which includes ample support for music, video, and photo files. Koller also mentions downloadable movies and TV shows (already available for purchase from Sony's existing iTunes-like PlayStation Store). Despite rumors of a downloadable music store (http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10246037-93.html), an online music option is notably not mentioned.

PS3 integration: Again, it appears that the existing interoperability between the PS3 and the PSP line will be carried over to the PSP Go. That includes the ability to cross-load some games and media, as well as the Remote Play option (access PS3-based content from the PSP over the Internet).

Price and availability: Koller says that it's coming in the fall of 2009; price isn't specified. He also confirms that the PSP 3000 will stay on the market concurrently. That, at least, is comfort for those of us who like to buy cheap used UMD-based PSP games, which are widely available.
Final thought: It's worth pointing out that the earlier leaks (http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10251113-1.html) on this product--right down to the name--have been remarkably accurate.

Another pic:
http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20090530/pspgo_openfrt_610x343.jpg

RelentlessRolento

05-30-2009, 09:37 PM

sorry but fuck the statement on the MGS game :lol: Metal Gear Acid was the best thing to happen for the franchise in terms of a new direction.

Ecofreak

05-30-2009, 09:41 PM

Here are some size comparison shots.

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/05/psp_go_vs_psp_iphone.jpg

Touch screen capability would make sense for multimedia purposes like music and movies. I hope that game developers (pros and indie alike) don't develop for that exclusively as I hear iPhone games are really inaccurate to control. My cousin was telling me that Mega Man on the iPhone is practically impossible -- he can't even jump reliably!

BTW Rolento, that new signature gif is AWESOME!

blitz6speed

05-30-2009, 10:07 PM

I will likely end up with one near launch if i can find a deal. I love my PSP 2000 and this one looks rather awesome. The only thing i do not like is the analog stick placement, otherwise i like the rest of it just fine.

Kfoster1979

05-30-2009, 10:15 PM

Nintendo Phasing out GBA carts

Sony Phasing out UMD games

How do we know this, No UMD Drive in PSP- Go

I expect the PSP 3000 to have a strong 2009 and 2010
But Sony is following Nintendo's model of how they transitioned from the GBA to DS carts

at first GBA and DS were sold side by side in about 1 year or less developers had switched over to all DS development.

at first Developers will favor PSP 3000 games because

#1. There are 50 Million PSP's world wide

if a developer makes game even if 1% of PSP owner buy it he will make a profit.

Where as PSP Go development there are 0 Zero PSP Go owners,

Developers will have to side by side develop Games for the PSP Go download only port and a version for the PSP 3000 which will sell.

NO ONE will be making PSP Go exclusive games for a while

We Still need to know if the PSP Go has a New faster CPU or GPU

Like the Nintendo DSi its 4x as powerfull as the DS Lite but No one is making games for it because very few people own a DSi so making DSi only games even though they can look 2x as good as DS Lite games it would not turn a profit.

Not Really a good comparison. Thing is when the DS launched Nintendo had no idea if it would sell, and they (GBA and the DS)are 2 completely different systems. The PSP GO is a PSP with no UMD drive not a new system. Also both can play PSN bought games, and publishers like the download model because they can make more money; becuse In the retail stream they have to sell to a distributor who then sells to the retailer. In a PSN only model you don't press discs, cases, inserts, and no used market there for you can, but don't have to, sell at a lower price and make more money. Last your developing for a PSP there is no need to port anything the PSP hackers have been ripping games for years now to on the MS.

RelentlessRolento

05-30-2009, 10:17 PM

BTW Rolento, that new signature gif is AWESOME!

Thank GAF.

personally, I'll get one. I say the power of this version will be tested on the announcements made at E3. Also note the strange black icon above the PSN network icons.

h3llbring3r

05-30-2009, 10:19 PM

Not Really a good comparison. Thing is when the DS launched Nintendo had no idea if it would sell, and they (GBA and the DS)are 2 completely different systems. The PSP GO is a PSP with no UMD drive not a new system. Also both can play PSN bought games, and publishers like the download model because they can make more money. In the retail stream they have to sell to a distributor who then sells to the retailer. In a PSN only model you don't press discs, cases, and inserts there for you can, but don't have to, sell at a lower price and make more money. Last your developing for a PSP there is no need to port anything the PSP hackers have been ripping games for years now to on the MS.

True. You are talking about a real media format migration here, on what is supposed to be the same platform. Abandoning the existing media is "pants on head retarded."

Also, those engadget comments have me ROFL'ing.

Vanigan

05-30-2009, 10:19 PM

On the other hand, if UMDs do drop in prices, I'd just get a 3000 and buy up all the lower cost games.

There was not a single mention of touch screen functionality in this new PSP. And thus, from a pure hardware perspective, I probably won't be buying it. Especially so if the price is raised.

On the other hand, if Sony suddenly becomes not so Sony-like and puts forth a whole lot of software support for this, including a more open SDK and PSN store so developers all over can make games and apps for it, then I'd seriously consider it.

Right now though, I'll probably get an iPod touch.

Ryukahn

05-30-2009, 10:32 PM

I'm definitely interested since I hate having to haul around UMDs (or anything else for that matter) with a handheld, since I don't find that to be very portable. As long as the price for the unit and downloads are reasonable, a very good chance I'll get one at some point. Glad I just sold all my UMDs lol. Now I just need EB to offer some kind of trade up for my current PSP.

steverl22

05-30-2009, 10:41 PM

I'll get one to go with my psp phat, I love the smell of a fresh gadget.

Nephlabobo

05-30-2009, 10:46 PM

Oh good, another slap in the face for consumer rights.

Sony can go to hell for going digital. They'll take my UMDs from my cold, dead hands.

Ryukahn

05-30-2009, 10:49 PM

Oh good, another slap in the face for consumer rights.

Sony can go to hell for going digital. They'll take my UMDs from my cold, dead hands.

From what I read, they don't have plans to replace the current PSP model, and will still be producing UMDs. If anything, I view this as a larger test run for the PSP 2. If things go well with the PSP GO, then they will go DD only for PSP 2.

Nephlabobo

05-30-2009, 10:56 PM

From what I read, they don't have plans to replace the current PSP model.

Yes and Nintendo said exactly the same thing about the GBA when the DS came out.

lilboo

05-30-2009, 10:56 PM

I just hope retail games to download are not like $30. Just, eww if it is.

Kfoster1979

05-30-2009, 11:10 PM

@ Mr. Twist the 8gb iPod touch will be gone soon.

Oh good, another slap in the face for consumer rights.

Sony can go to hell for going digital. They'll take my UMDs from my cold, dead hands.

No think the DMCA for that, but I still don't see your point. Even if you just own bits you still own it. What rights are they taking away, no resell value? I just cant buy this argument that your consumer rights are being taken away.

SynGamer

05-30-2009, 11:16 PM

Yes and Nintendo said exactly the same thing about the GBA when the DS came out.
The GBA and DS are completely different. The PSP-1000/2000/3000's play the same games at the new 'Go!'. Only difference is the Go! doesn't have UMD, but Sony has already said there will be a lot of games coming to the PSP PSN store.

62t

05-30-2009, 11:16 PM

@ Mr. Twist the 8gb iPod touch will be gone soon.

No think the DMCA for that, but I still don't see your point. Even if you just own bits you still own it. What rights are they taking away, no resell value? I just cant buy this argument that your consumer rights are being taken away.

Even apple gave in to the drm complain. As for Sony they offer game share for a lot of their stuff. You can easily divide the cost between 5 people

SynGamer

05-30-2009, 11:20 PM

PSP-Go, $299 Music, Movies, BEST of All game player.

Maybe the PSP Go will be $199
I've been reading rumors that the Go! will be LESS than the previous models. It makes sense too; small spec improvements (most likely), smaller form, no UMD drive...cost wise, this thing is most likely a good amount cheaper than the PSP-3000's and Sony sells those at $170 and make a profit.

62t

05-30-2009, 11:22 PM

Here is another thing to keep in mind, FFVII just appeared on PSN. I think a big announcement of PSP GO with FFVII available for launch would help sony a lot.

Nephlabobo

05-30-2009, 11:23 PM

The GBA and DS are completely different. The PSP-1000/2000/3000's play the same games at the new 'Go!'. Only difference is the Go! doesn't have UMD, but Sony has already said there will be a lot of games coming to the PSP PSN store.

Not good enough.

Games, at the very least, should be on both formats.

DD only is an unacceptable solution.

h3llbring3r

05-30-2009, 11:28 PM

Don't do any Nintendo DSi comparissons, Nintendo is not playing in the same league as Apple, Sony, and Microsoft who are trying to offer a complete lifestyle, and ecosystem solution

And why not? The DS is dominating this generations hardware market. $169 is still high for the DSi though IMHO.

:lol: "ecosystem solution"

haywire69

05-30-2009, 11:29 PM

Must find a way to download this giant pile of UMDs on to this thing or I'm not buying.

Strell

05-31-2009, 12:03 AM

Yes and Nintendo said exactly the same thing about the GBA when the DS came out.

No they didn't.

SynGamer

05-31-2009, 12:13 AM

Not good enough.

Games, at the very least, should be on both formats.

DD only is an unacceptable solution.
I completely agree. I like owning physical media, mainly for reselling purposes.

help1

05-31-2009, 12:14 AM

RelentlessRolento

05-31-2009, 12:15 AM

geeze this guy is fast...

http://i40.tinypic.com/es1buo.jpg

SynGamer

05-31-2009, 12:15 AM

Looks like a desperate attempt for vindication that will likely end up failing. Sony shouldn't have half assed this redesign. It should have atleast done a dual analog setup and let developers make games that detect which version PSP you have.
Why? You would be alienating 50+ million users who already bought your product and support(ed) you. Why smear a new PSP with 2 analog sticks in their face? Save 2 analogs for the PSP2. It will instantly make the system 'legit' in many peoples eyes and even though everyone knows it will be on the PSP2, they'll still be happy as hell to see it.

bingbangboom

05-31-2009, 12:17 AM

The one thing I really don't understand is the thought that removing the UMD drive makes the PSP less hackable?

I have a iPhone and it is hacked with all sorts of stuff on it. Not bootleg games but having a larger internal hard drive doesn't make it seem like the games will be less harder to hack on there.

Another thing is that most iPhone games are pretty cheap. Does this mean we are going to get $4.99 PSP Go games or have to pay $29.99 for games we don't actually own.

The PSP doesn't really know what it is competing against. Is it picking a fight with the DS or the Ipod? Seems they loose either way instead of just doing something different. The Go doesn't look sexy, I wanted the older mockup pictures much more and now just makes me want to pick up an older PSP instead.

The main thing though the PSP needs is great games for the PSP. Not just PS2 ported games but quick and fun games only available on the PSP. Hopefully this is announced at E3 but I think we are going to just get more of the same from the PSP game library.

help1

05-31-2009, 12:23 AM

Why? You would be alienating 50+ million users who already bought your product and support(ed) you.

Because being loyal to those 50 million fans has really worked out well for Sony thus far, right? The problem here is that Sony is trying to do a patch job with the PSP, instead of actually making the hard hitting changes that could actually make a difference. This is more of a cop out then when Nintendo made the Gameboy color, which hardly changed the way GBA games played.

Ecofreak

05-31-2009, 12:24 AM

This is part of a new blog entry (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/blog.php?b=8721)I wrote -- please feel free to express your opinions!

Main Critisim -- Lack of Physical Ownership - I, too, am someone who much rather prefers to physically own objects rather than in some virtual nebulous space. It provides a sense of comfort and satisfaction that I can see, touch, and manipulate what I own. So I was definitely resistant to the idea of direct download only but am starting to come around to the idea.

Ability to Redownload Games - One clear benefit of direct download is the ability to re-download a game if you should lose your system or have it stolen. There's been several posts these past couple of money from CAGers who have had such unfortunate situations happen to them, and everything is gone. If they want to play their games again, they need to repurchases them. If they wanted to sell those games eventually, then that's money lost. Direct Download, however, negates that situation in your freedom to redownload a game no matter the reason. Speaking only for the PSN, you can download a game 5 times. I believe this concept was specifically created as space saving feature for those with small (ex. 20 GB) hard drives. Don't play a PSN game for a while? Delete it and re-download it again when you want to play it again.

I am personally afraid of losing my DS when traveling because I sometimes carry games that, combined, cost more than the system itself (because I often carry some more recent titles that still have high value). If I should lose my system or have it stolen, I only need to redownload the game to "restart" my collection. Sure, I lose all my save data but better than spending all that money on rebuying said software.

h3llbring3r

05-31-2009, 12:26 AM

geeze this guy is fast...

http://i40.tinypic.com/es1buo.jpg

PSP-go should be choking the UMD to death not the pirate(d) PSP.

http://i40.tinypic.com/es1buo.jpg

blitz6speed

05-31-2009, 12:29 AM

you can download a game 5 times.

You can download a game UNLIMTED times to 5 PSP's. And if its a PS1 game, its 5 PSP's + 5 PS3s. Sonys DRM this gen is hands down the best by a mile.

RelentlessRolento

05-31-2009, 12:33 AM

PSP-go should be choking the UMD to death not the pirate(d) PSP.

that's what I though it was doing till i re read it, whatever.

SynGamer

05-31-2009, 12:33 AM

Because being loyal to those 50 million fans has really worked out well for Sony thus far, right? The problem here is that Sony is trying to do a patch job with the PSP, instead of actually making the hard hitting changes that could actually make a difference. This is more of a cop out then when Nintendo made the Gameboy color, which hardly changed the way GBA games played.
Are you retarded or something? Seriously, how is this a patch job? As others have suggested, this is likely a small test for Sony to see how well digital downloads work for the PSP brand and PSN. There's no reason to add major features. They've put 16GB and a slightly larger screen (I think) on the Go, which is perfect since they want people to download games/movies. You seem to think this is a replacement, when in fact, it isn't. The PSP-3000 is still out there, this will be for people that don't want to be tied down to UMDs...quite simple, really.

Ecofreak

05-31-2009, 12:34 AM

I completely agree. I like owning physical media, mainly for reselling purposes.

So would you be upset then if, say, the Direct Download game was $5-10 cheaper than the physical version?

RelentlessRolento

05-31-2009, 12:34 AM

You can download a game UNLIMTED times to 5 PSP's. And if its a PS1 game, its 5 PSP's + 5 PS3s. Sonys DRM this gen is hands down the best by a mile.

every DRM system has its nightmares. I know 360 has a few nightmare situations as well as Sony, but I agree that Sony seems to have it down decently at least (don't talk about Sing Star DLC though, that's not so nicey nice).

Jesus_S_Preston

05-31-2009, 12:35 AM

No they didn't.

Um, they did. They made sure to go on about the DS not being a succesor/replacement/competitor to the GBA, and how it would off doing it's own thing.

Strell

05-31-2009, 12:36 AM

And the assessment that such was the plan all along is false.

Ecofreak

05-31-2009, 12:37 AM

You can download a game UNLIMTED times to 5 PSP's. And if its a PS1 game, its 5 PSP's + 5 PS3s. Sonys DRM this gen is hands down the best by a mile.

No way...I thought it was 5 times period. So the whole risk of gamesharing is that, if you do it with 4 other people (for 5 downloads total) and your system breaks then you have to buy it again.

But your description does make sense... If this is true, then there is really no reason for people to not like Direct Download unless they want to sell the games and buy used ones.

h3llbring3r

05-31-2009, 12:39 AM

As long as they limit it and control it, you don't own it.

If they want to take down content from a DLC server to force you to rebuy it on another format- they can. The problem is you aren't guaranteed your 5 DLs, they are only available at the whim of the real owner.

I buy physical media whenever the prices are even remotely comparible.

SynGamer

05-31-2009, 12:40 AM

So would you be upset then if, say, the Direct Download game was $5-10 cheaper than the physical version?
I'd be torn, because $10 cheaper is a good discount, but the inability to sell the game later would likely make me weigh the pros and cons. If the game costs $19.99 versus $29.99, i may very well buy the DD if it's a game i know i'll play for quite a while/would have kept in my collection. Again, i'd be torn...

62t

05-31-2009, 12:41 AM

RelentlessRolento

05-31-2009, 12:43 AM

No way...I thought it was 5 times period. So the whole risk of gamesharing is that, if you do it with 4 other people (for 5 downloads total) and your system breaks then you have to buy it again.

But your description does make sense... If this is true, then there is really no reason for people to not like Direct Download unless they want to sell the games and buy used ones.

Yeah, it's unlimited downloads once you purchase, it's just the number of registered systems at a time can only be up to 5.

Due to this reason I partially back DD titles, but I think the main problem with DD is DD prices vs Retail. It's cheaper to produce a DD than a retail (cost of printing, package, etc), but most of the customer never sees the benefit of that in the sale price.

If Sony dosn't offer cheap and affordable sofware, even if it is in chunks or episodes or whatever, it might or might not hurt them.

personally the PSP saved my sanity all last 2 semesters at college. I ride metro and public trans everywhere so there's alot of waiting and stuff. I mostly kill time with music on my way to college/work, and play games on my way back home. I already have enough shit to carry in my bookbag/backpack so carrying less UMDs is a plus for me. Patapon 2 made me realize this and I mostly support DD now as I'm entirely comfortable without owning a physical copy now.

bingbangboom

05-31-2009, 12:44 AM

The main problem I think we all have is we really thought this would be the sequel to the PSP not just a slight update. If anything, it is lacking many of the features other media devices have like a touch screen and camera. Just seems like someone not really incharge of the gaming division came up with this idea and I bet the profit on this thing for Sony is huge.

I really don't think it will take off the way Sony hopes for. I bet the cost of upgrading the PSP to a true PSP 2 was just too much for Sony to do right now. It is a money issue and they will try to market this thing to tweens.

SynGamer

05-31-2009, 12:48 AM

Ecofreak

05-31-2009, 12:50 AM

I'd be torn, because $10 cheaper is a good discount, but the inability to sell the game later would likely make me weigh the pros and cons. If the game costs $19.99 versus $29.99, i may very well buy the DD if it's a game i know i'll play for quite a while/would have kept in my collection. Again, i'd be torn...

Sounds like over 60% of the people have expressed hesitation, and I'm certainly one of them. But with Patapon 2 being released at $20, and that's a full title with great reviews, I can see a tiered pricing structure entering the market.

Now will that strain relationships with retailers? Most likely, but it would mean that Sony would have to give Brick-and-Mortar shops a greater slice of the sales pie to make up for lost game sales due to direct downloads should they being to reach a critical mass.

But Sony would ultimately win because it's hard to argue saving $10 over 10 games is $100, and at $20 a game that's 5 new games you could own (assuming you don't sell your physical copies).

As long as they limit it and control it, you don't own it.

If they want to take down content from a DLC server to force you to rebuy it on another format- they can. The problem is you aren't guaranteed your 5 DLs, they are only available at the whim of the real owner.

I buy physical media whenever the prices are even remotely comparible.

A true argument -- but what about cartridges and other file formats? Say you have a huge library of Gameboy games, and your Gameboy breaks. And you can't find another Gameboy at a reasonable price. Even though you own the game, you can no longer enjoy the product. But you could buy them again on your DS or Wii via Virtual Console.

Yet hopefully that would be an moot point in time, as all future PSPs would continue supporting older game formats. And by going all digital, Sony would absolutely have a reason to support backwards compatibility as every digital sale would provide them with some revenue using digital downloads. A key reason why backwards compatibility was taken out (besides costs) is that most people buy used PS2 games so Sony doesn't see any of those sales. So why invest the money and cut on profit margins if there is no business benefit?

62t

05-31-2009, 12:50 AM

I am guess Sony is testing the water with this. If this is a success PSP2 will the umd-less. If this is a failure they can bring in PSP2 with UMD

SynGamer

05-31-2009, 12:53 AM

I am guess Sony is testing the water with this. If this is a success PSP2 will the umd-less. If this is a failure they can bring in PSP2 with UMD
I'm personally hoping Sony uses their M2 format, or SDHC/HX or whatever the new 'super fast' version of SD is. Still offer DD, but i think they'll need a physical format if they want it to succeed.

Nathan_Sama

05-31-2009, 12:54 AM

Sony just needs to take a PS2 controller and stick a screen on it.
sheesh.

Ecofreak

05-31-2009, 12:55 AM

I already have enough shit to carry in my bookbag/backpack so carrying less UMDs is a plus for me. Patapon 2 made me realize this and I mostly support DD now as I'm entirely comfortable without owning a physical copy now.

The first step is always the hardest. :lol:

h3llbring3r

05-31-2009, 01:02 AM

but what about cartridges and other file formats? Say you have a huge library of Gameboy games, and your Gameboy breaks. And you can't find another Gameboy at a reasonable price. Even though you own the game, you can no longer enjoy the product. But you could buy them again on your DS or Wii via Virtual Console.

I'll concede that point if you can name for me one ubiquitous console that cannot be readily replaced via eBay or even third-party manufacturers.

Yet hopefully that would be an moot point in time, as all future PSPs would continue supporting older game formats. And by going all digital, Sony would absolutely have a reason to support backwards compatibility as every digital sale would provide them with some revenue using digital downloads.
See below, you spell out the exact reasoning that would stop Sony (or any device provider) doing this past a second generation of BC.

A key reason why backwards compatibility was taken out (besides costs) is that most people buy used PS2 games so Sony doesn't see any of those sales. So why invest the money and cut on profit margins if there is no business benefit?

This is exactly why you can only expect limited (if any) forward compatibility for current DLC purchases.

Monsta Mack

05-31-2009, 01:06 AM

Again I think no one has many problems buying digital distribution games as long as they can re-download them whenever they want and are $20 or less, or discounted compared to UMD format. Patapon 2 urked me in the sense in the UK it was on UMD, and in the US it was DD only so I didn't support it. Not because it was too expensive (It was already down to $16 at Target, and at this point I was actually holding out for a clearance and then I'll most likely buy it. Cause I'm a CheapAss).

But when you charge $40 or $30 for a game the general feeling is it has to be a AAA game or something you will very much enjoy because your left with the inability to resell to recoup the costs for the game. With that said there should be no excuse to not put out demos for every single PSP game in the future if they are going to charge that much so I can gauge if the game is worth my money or not.

Lastly the best thing about digital distribution is everyone can get a hold of the pie without worries that the game will become rare/flipped on eBay. Course this could also be the worst thing if for some reason years down the road Sony decides to take down the ability to re-download the games you just purchased. Imagine if all those PSN games went offline? It's a long shot but I would go nuts if all the XBLA games I purchased were not re-down loadable for free on the next XBox.

Ecofreak

05-31-2009, 01:09 AM

I'll concede that point if you can name for me one ubiquitous console that cannot be readily replaced via eBay or even third-party manufacturers.

I'm sure Atari 2600 are in short supply in some parts of the country. So concede!

This is exactly why you can only expect limited (if any) forward compatibility for current DLC purchases.

You're missing my point. Sony gets $0.00 if people buy used physical media, and stores don't want to allocate large amounts of floor space to a dying generation as they don't produce as many sales as their newer generation brethren.

If all games now go through the Playstation Network via Digital Downloads, however, then Sony sees a piece of every one of those sales and it's in their best interest to foster desire amongst consumers to buy old games. Every purchase on PSN is pure bank (outside of network associated costs), and provides greater return on investment over a much longer period of time.

RelentlessRolento

05-31-2009, 01:11 AM

One other plus of DD:

Future Backwards Compat.

basically it's easier to have new hardware be backwards compatible with DD files than hard copies like putting a UMD into a PS3 or whatnot...

SynGamer

05-31-2009, 01:12 AM

h3llbring3r

05-31-2009, 01:17 AM

I'm sure Atari 2600 are in short supply in some parts of the country. So concede!

Ha ha no, 150 of them on eBay.

You're missing my point. Sony gets $0.00 if people buy used physical media, and stores don't want to allocate large amounts of floor space to a dying generation as they don't produce as many sales as their newer generation brethren.

No you missed my point: (as you stated) Just as Sony sees no sales revenue from last gen. used media in the next generation- (my point): It also sees no sales from already owned DLG from a past generation of console/HH, so why make the effort to continue to support it when they could force you to rebuy it for the next gen(s)? It's a parallel argument.

They've done it in one instance for profitability why not in another when the circumstances are nearly identical. The widgets are just used & tangible in one instance and in the other they are older & virtual. It's actually easier for them to deny you use in the latter instance.

Nephlabobo

05-31-2009, 01:18 AM

Sounds like over 60% of the people have expressed hesitation, and I'm certainly one of them. But with Patapon 2 being released at $20, and that's a full title with great reviews, I can see a tiered pricing structure entering the market.

Except for the fact that the original Patapon sold for the exact same price as Patapon 2, was released on a disc, and also got great reviews.

The PSP Go is a fail on every level.

Again I think no one has many problems buying digital distribution games as long as they can re-download them whenever they want and are $20 or less, or discounted compared to UMD format.

The problem with this is that every game has a shelf life. Even DD games. And there's no guarantee you're going to be able to find a DD game later on if your copy gets corrupted, whereas a disc can be replaced.

Lastly the best thing about digital distribution is everyone can get a hold of the pie without worries that the game will become rare/flipped on eBay. Course this could also be the worst thing if for some reason years down the road Sony decides to take down the ability to re-download the games you just purchased. Imagine if all those PSN games went offline? It's a long shot but I would go nuts if all the XBLA games I purchased were not re-down loadable for free on the next XBox.

That's exactly the point - they won't be.

If you seriously think MS or Sony are just going to hand you all your DD games for free in the next iteration of consoles, you are sadly mistaken.

Monsta Mack

05-31-2009, 01:19 AM

I'd imagine Sony would let users know well in advance that the service/feature was going down, not to mention release an update or something to allow users to transfer the games from their computer to their system. By that point, is piracy really an issue (assuming this is 1-2 generations down the road)?

Well they would still want to sell those "old" games in the future - money is still be to made. Of course Piracy will still be around, and I'm sure someone will figure out how to pirate the PSP Go! Everything will be pirated eventually until On Live becomes the main source of gaming.

Ecofreak

05-31-2009, 01:31 AM

Ha ha no, 150 of them on eBay.

Psh -- anything w/ less than 1,000 units to me is hard to find. So the point clearly comes out to a draw due to our inability to agree upon a proper metric.

You were let off easy this time.

No you missed my point: (as you stated) Just as Sony sees no sales revenue from last gen. used media in the next generation- (my point): It also sees no sales from already owned DLG from a past generation of console/HH, so why make the effort to continue to support it when they could force you to rebuy it for the next gen(s)? It's a parallel argument.

They've done it in one instance for profitability why not in another when the circumstances are nearly identical. The widgets are just used & tangible in one instance and in the other they are older & virtual. It's actually easier for them to deny you use in the latter instance.

Ah, now I understand your argument -- thanks for the clarification.

Well, then Sony would have to hope that their install base continues to grow and become ubiquitous like a iPod (which is highly unlikely, IMHO, but still reach good market success), thereby justifying the cost of online hosting/storing/dissemination against potential profits of new consumers.

But it'd be easier to justify said capability if Sony has exclusive control of how consumers buy their products as they would clearly see the sales figures.

Malik112099

05-31-2009, 01:39 AM

This is a pretty expensive test considering Sony's current standings. They could have released the PSP-3000 with a hard drive in place of the UMD drive and called that a test. Why go through a whole design process for a test? Doesn't make sense.

SynGamer

05-31-2009, 01:46 AM

mis0

05-31-2009, 01:48 AM

I was thinking of jumping on the PSP deal from dell for a $120ish PSP. I decided to hold off because I heard of this PSP Go. If they can market this and support this as Sony's iPod Touch, they have a new customer right here. I would love a multimedia portable thingy, but I just fucking hate Apple products. Overpriced POS with a snobby consumer base.

RelentlessRolento

05-31-2009, 01:52 AM

erehwon

05-31-2009, 02:30 AM

If what have been leaked is true, I won't be buying that device. I don't really like DD only method for the reasons that have already been stated. That and my psp-2000 model works just fine for me.

h3llbring3r

05-31-2009, 02:36 AM

If what have been leaked is true, I won't be buying that device. I don't really like DD only method for the reasons that have already been stated. That and my psp-2000 model works just fine for me.
I think that statement is true for most of us.

RelentlessRolento

05-31-2009, 02:41 AM

sadly.

DD has better longterm value but it's a change most won't want to take.

SynGamer

05-31-2009, 02:45 AM

It really boils down to the price and DRM behind it all.

Dead of Knight

05-31-2009, 02:53 AM

Looks fugly and uncomfortable. No UMD also ensures no sale for me if you can't transfer games to it in some way.

h3llbring3r

05-31-2009, 02:54 AM

DD has better longterm value but it's a change most won't want to take.

How could you possibly justify that statement.

Short term, maybe but long-term? pfft.

jer7583

05-31-2009, 03:05 AM

The way PSN has priced PSP games in the past means this is going to cost far too much.

$30 downloadable portable games sucks. They really should just make PSP games be $20 at max and go for more sales.

J7.

05-31-2009, 03:06 AM

Looks great, glad to see the analog moved more in line with how it is on Dualshocks. Love how you can close the controls and just have the screen by itself. 16 gb is great and not carrying games around will be awesome. Since I have a PSP already though I won't purchase this for a long time. People shouldn't complain about 2nd analog, it would make no sense to make controls that all previous owners would not be able to use. PSP2 though, yes. I hope they'll let owners of umds convert them to digital, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

People are getting mad about digital distribution, but we all knew this was coming and is the future for all consoles and handhelds... Regarding PS3 Slim, I read that it was a fake by two dudes who work in a factory, so they may have also had access to PSP GO's retail box and copied it. PS3 Slim is coming but what we've seen so far is probably fake.

Nephlabobo

05-31-2009, 03:07 AM

sadly.

DD has better longterm value

Yes, for companies who can make you buy the same content over and over again.

RelentlessRolento

05-31-2009, 03:13 AM

How could you possibly justify that statement.

Short term, maybe but long-term? pfft.

come back to me in about 5-7 years.

h3llbring3r

05-31-2009, 03:17 AM

come back to me in about 5-7 years.

ReRo is prophet of DD profit.

How about you come over to my house and play Gorf on my 5200 or some of my fantastic TurboGrafx titles now. No emulator or VC needed. ;)

RelentlessRolento

05-31-2009, 03:20 AM

ReRo is prophet of DD profit.

How about you come over to my house and play Gorf on my 5200 or some of my fantastic TurboGrafx titles now. No emulator or VC needed. ;)

come back to me in about 5-7 years.

Nephlabobo

05-31-2009, 04:06 AM

come back to me in about 5-7 years.

You mean when you've bought all your games for the third time?

Foo228

05-31-2009, 04:13 AM

looks awesome, I am interested but with a perfectly fine psp 2000 it doesn't seem feasible to get one

psp go!

cracks @ it: psp go away, psp go home, psp go gettanotheranalog

I do think it looks promising, though.

fuss

05-31-2009, 04:56 AM

Smaller screen sucks for me, I think the screen is small now. As it is on the 2000 I can not play sport games because I can never see the stupid ball.

I have to actually hold the thing and play with it a bit before I comment on the rest.

And I want profiles on the PSP. Why can we not have these??

javeryh

05-31-2009, 07:45 AM

LOL!! Who is going to buy this thing?

Purkeynator

05-31-2009, 10:21 AM

LOL!! Who is going to buy this thing?

Probably the Mana Knight and that's about it.

bingbangboom

05-31-2009, 11:21 AM

I think I will be sticking with my Hannah Montana PSP, thank you very much!

Kfoster1979

05-31-2009, 12:46 PM

Has no one heard of Backups? You can backup your PS3 to an EXT drive, and you can use Sony Media Manager to backup your PSP.

Forget if you cant find a console to play your old games on. What if your carts get broken, stolen, or destroyed in some way? Is Nintendo going to send you a new Zelda cart? Hell no, granted you can find one for a few bucks, but if my copy of Gran Turismo PSP gets corrupted I can easily DL a new copy.

Look I am an advocate for DD content, it's the future it's whats going to happen. I kind of like the PSP Go and I will be all for it if the price is right , and I can somehow get the games I own ripped over.

lilboo

05-31-2009, 12:56 PM

I'm just curious as to a price and full details. Like most, these will be the determination if I get this or not.

If it's $199 and $249 (8 & 16gb), than maaaaybe.

Like everyone else, I just want to know what we can do with UMDs. Really. If this was a whole new system, like GBA -> DS then whatever. But it's not. It's a PSP meant to play PSP games. Maybe they will supply the tools to rip them to your PC/PS3 and play..:lol: but that's wishful thinking.

Regian

05-31-2009, 01:28 PM

I am taking a complete shit on the design of this monstrosity.

Why? Seriously. If I'm going to play something that bulky, I'll keep my DS. And the deal about downloading everything? Yeah, it's convienient. But $30 downloads just don't work for me.

I'm more inclined now to wait for a price drop on the PSP-3000 and buy it then. There's no point in me buying this "upgrade".

Foo228

05-31-2009, 02:05 PM

I have no idea what the price of games will be for the system but my prospect is that gamesharing will still be a way to get the games. So let's say they range from $20 (games like locoroco and patapon) to $40 (juggernauts like god of war or resistance) before any sales occur - that means if you can assemble a group of 5 you have to pay $4 to $8 for your share of the game. Not bad at all, if you ask me.

Of course, they implemented the onboard 16gigs to reduce piracy but I honestly think it will promote it. Who knows, maybe Sony learned their lesson and made it so everything must be encrypted someway so nothing is pirated on the system (but that takes away from a person's freedom to do what they want - legal or not). I do get the feeling most things have to go through the PSN Downloader from now on... Hopefully it is not nearly as constrained to your account as Amazon's Kindle is.

I'm just curious as to a price and full details. Like most, these will be the determination if I get this or not.

If it's $199 and $249 (8 & 16gb), than maaaaybe.

There was never a mention of an 8gig one. My prediction is the price will be a flat amount (not 199.xx, but something like xx0.00) as Sony needs all it can get (and that's a business move I would implement too as it makes sense to get as much profit as possible, even if marginal).

I'm going to go out on a limb and say it will cost $220 flat. The psp-3000 goes for a penny under $170 right now, so this would help distinguish the products (like the DSLite and DSi). My argument for why I think it would cost $220: 1) 16 gigs is alot and goes for even more, 16 gig ipod nanos go for $200 and touches for $280 2) It can not rival the Wii at it's price point of $250, even if they are separate entities 3) It has more to offer than the DSi (just the facts, not a flame war). I can easily say ds has more good games to offer

Thomas96

05-31-2009, 02:09 PM

there's a lot to learn about this new PSP. I'd like to know how the screen is going to perform in daylight - will I be able to see anything or will I always have to run for shade, or any other dark area. Also, I'm totally for this NEW Digital distribution feature for the psp... fine, however, what about my old UMD games... I need to find a way to get those to ripped to the PSP "Mylo" Go. I'll send it the cart... or the game.. (for a digital coupon) I don't care... but it needs to happen.

Koggit

05-31-2009, 02:31 PM

I have no idea what the price of games will be for the system but my prospect is that gamesharing will still be a way to get the games. So let's say they range from $20 (games like locoroco and patapon) to $40 (juggernauts like god of war or resistance) before any sales occur - that means if you can assemble a group of 5 you have to pay $4 to $8 for your share of the game. Not bad at all, if you ask me.

Of course, they implemented the onboard 16gigs to reduce piracy but I honestly think it will promote it. Who knows, maybe Sony learned their lesson and made it so everything must be encrypted someway so nothing is pirated on the system (but that takes away from a person's freedom to do what they want - legal or not). I do get the feeling most things have to go through the PSN Downloader from now on... Hopefully it is not nearly as constrained to your account as Amazon's Kindle is.

There was never a mention of an 8gig one. My prediction is the price will be a flat amount (not 199.xx, but something like xx0.00) as Sony needs all it can get (and that's a business move I would implement too as it makes sense to get as much profit as possible, even if marginal).

I'm going to go out on a limb and say it will cost $220 flat. The psp-3000 goes for a penny under $170 right now, so this would help distinguish the products (like the DSLite and DSi). My argument for why I think it would cost $220: 1) 16 gigs is alot and goes for even more, 16 gig ipod nanos go for $200 and touches for $280 2) It can not rival the Wii at it's price point of $250, even if they are separate entities 3) It has more to offer than the DSi (just the facts, not a flame war). I can easily say ds has more good games to offer

and 16gb USB drives go for $30..

I bet their 16gb of flash memory costs them less than the UMD drive. i wouldn't be surprised if the PSP Go cost them less to make then the 3000, but no doubt they'll charge more for it. i've no doubt they'll gouge it for >$200, but 16gb of memory is definitely not justification for a high price.

like the PSP-3000, DS, DS Lite, and DSi -- every handheld since the GBA SP -- this machine will be overpriced and not worth the expense. it's sad that consumers are willing to take it up the butt while Nintendo and Sony laugh their way to the bank.

Malik112099

05-31-2009, 03:05 PM

If the PSP Go could access the Playstation store anywhere using cellular signals (see the Kindle) it would make MUCH more sense...but forcing me to be DD only and not giving me a way to get games anywhere REALLY makes me feel restricted considering it is a portable device that only plays downloaded games.

Foo228

05-31-2009, 03:17 PM

and 16gb USB drives go for $30..

I bet their 16gb of flash memory costs them less than the UMD drive. i wouldn't be surprised if the PSP Go cost them less to make then the 3000, but no doubt they'll charge more for it. i've no doubt they'll gouge it for >$200, but 16gb of memory is definitely not justification for a high price.

like the PSP-3000, DS, DS Lite, and DSi -- every handheld since the GBA SP -- this machine will be overpriced and not worth the expense. it's sad that consumers are willing to take it up the butt while Nintendo and Sony laugh their way to the bank.

I understand that but they aren't selling the memory alone, rather they are selling it already assembled in their product (whether it be an mp3 player or portable game system). With your logic, most laptops should cost less than a $150 as that's what 1TB goes for.

Why's is it sad that consumers are over priced? They have the choice of buying the product or not - it is a free market, you know. Equilibrium price plays a role here too, consumers and businesses already came to a consensus on a fair price informally via the law of supply and demand.

cochesecochese

05-31-2009, 03:23 PM

I'm just curious as to a price and full details. Like most, these will be the determination if I get this or not.

Yes, that is what bothers me with these early 'leaks.' The wait for actual confirmation and real details about the final products is, for me, borderline insufferable.

Bluth Superfan

05-31-2009, 03:29 PM

silent h3ro

05-31-2009, 03:54 PM

I can't wait to see this blow up in Sony's face. DD may be the future but it is way too soon for a DD only console. Who would buy this when for probably less money you could get a 3000 that can download the same games and still has a UMD drive.They said in the Quore episode that they would sell the 3000 alongside the go so the consumer does have a choice, it's not strictly DD. The advantage with the go is that you can have more memory than the 3000 not to mention the fact that it's lighter (and smaller?). There will be people that will prefer it to the 3000.

i wouldn't be surprised if the PSP Go cost them less to make then the 3000, but no doubt they'll charge more for it. i've no doubt they'll gouge it for >$200, but 16gb of memory is definitely not justification for a high price.
Look at how poorly the PS3 has sold because of its high price. Okay it hasn't been that bad but you know it could have been way better at a more respectable price point. I don't think Sony would be that dumb to price their handheld over $200. I can see them keeping pricing in line with the DS Lite and DSi but then again this is Sony and they have made many stupid decisions this generation. Hardware is not where the console makers make money (with the exception of Nintendo), it's primarily on the software. If they have to lose money on the hardware then that should be a small sacrifice that they have to take to get as many customers as possible to buy the software and make the real money. Sony dominates with their software.

I am taking a complete shit on the design of this monstrosity.

Why? Seriously. If I'm going to play something that bulky, I'll keep my DS. And the deal about downloading everything? Yeah, it's convienient. But $30 downloads just don't work for me.

I'm more inclined now to wait for a price drop on the PSP-3000 and buy it then. There's no point in me buying this "upgrade".

I agree it does look like shit. I'm also going to buy a 3000 and pass on this, but like I said, I can see why people would prefer the go over the "classic" PSPs.

opportunity777

05-31-2009, 05:02 PM

I think Sony's strategy is to create a product as an add-on to the PS3.

Otherwise ...

Regardless of Sony's motives to create this abomination, this better be priced dirt cheap because it's basically a stripped-down PSP with 16 GB of flash and overrated Bluetooth functionality. Eight GB Pro duo cards are cheap, so large internal flash memory is not really necessary. The screen lost half an inch. I already find the PSP screen just small enough to play certain titles. I don't want to squint at the screen to read text or try taking high speed corners in driving games. No dual nubs. The left analog stick is in a terrible position. The design doesn't look sturdy at all, which is more important for a gaming console than other portable devices. I don't see any TV-out on the device, but this could change. Also, no touch screen. If Sony wasn't trying to compete with the iPhone and similar devices, then a touch screen wouldn't be important. No UMD drive makes current game libraries useless. Because Sony has trend of dumb decisions, probably, Bluetooth functionality will not support DS3 controllers or other devices (excluding headsets).

Sony screwed up again. Let's see how the market plays out for them.

Malik112099

05-31-2009, 05:20 PM

I think Sony's strategy is to create a product as an add-on to the PS3.

Then why didn't they do this with the PSP-3000? Why redesign a PSP with no optical drive when they already had a product on the market with MORE functionality? When the firmware update that allowed the PSP direct access to the Playstation Store came out they should have used that opportunity to test this out.

Thomas96

05-31-2009, 05:29 PM

I hope that after the official E3 announcement , sony will at leeast address some of our concerns. Also, I'd like to have all PSPGo software be playable on the PS3 as well. With the saves being able to be transferred quickly between the two consoles. If this is the case, then it will eliminate the need of a TV out feature. Also, the PSPgo, will need software that doesn't NEED the analog stick, I think that the DS does well without the analog stick, and the new MS Zune (game player) doesn't have one. So.. the PSP doesn't need one, and the system will be most enjoyable as long as it has software that utilizes the D-pad moreso than the analog stick. But we'll see...

saunderscowie

05-31-2009, 05:42 PM

Wow what an ugly looking device... and still no second analogue stick.

Disneyboy

05-31-2009, 05:48 PM

I'll probably never get one, but I'm excited about more games being distributed as UMD's and downloadable, especially if the downloadable equivalents are cheaper and/or allow the 5 system gameshare feature. I would love to be able to buy a new release game that would normally be $40 and pay $10 for it because I am able to split the cost with some friends. I'll just have to get a bigger memory stick for my original PSP.

Nephlabobo

05-31-2009, 06:19 PM

Look I am an advocate for DD content, it's the future it's whats going to happen. I kind of like the PSP Go and I will be all for it if the price is right , and I can somehow get the games I own ripped over.

I don't know why people keep saying "It's the future, accept it" and just expect everyone to roll over.

It's *not* the future- yet - and it shouldn't be.

Vanigan

05-31-2009, 06:41 PM

I don't know why people keep jumping to all these conclusions. Just as people say "it's the future, accept it" others need to learn to keep an open mind about change, especially since we don't know everything about the device and any support put behind it.

I like the device, even though I think they should have made even more changes.

People bandy about the words abomination, disaster, monstrousity, blah blah blah.

It's *not* any of those things- yet - and it won't be.

So, unscrunch your panties guys and wait until after E3, because those of you who already have PSPs? Guess what, you still have them, and UMDs will probably be cheaper, so more games for you.

bsesb2003

05-31-2009, 06:49 PM

My guess is that there will be two winning handhelds -- the DS and iPhone.

And we're still waiting for GT...which one, the PSP version of the PS3 version...travesty that they have taken so long to get to market...I'm no longer interested.

Foo228

05-31-2009, 06:58 PM

Just a random thought: I hope they ditch the xmb.

I don't mind it, but it's been on the psp's entire lifecycle as well as the ps3's and change (ala microsoft's revamp over blades) would probably be a good thing.

Kfoster1979

05-31-2009, 07:02 PM

I don't know why people keep saying "It's the future, accept it" and just expect everyone to roll over.

It's *not* the future- yet - and it shouldn't be.

Because it is, every major Media outlet wants to move to this. Music has done so and Downloads outsell CDs at this point. Movies are next, and the effects are being seen on Blu Ray and DVD sales overall. I'm not saying roll over, but the fact is there will be a point that Disc based media is gone. Like I said before I want this shift to happen I hate having disc there is no extra value in it for me to own a disc.

SynGamer

05-31-2009, 07:18 PM

Salamando3000

05-31-2009, 07:41 PM

Here's how I'm hoping Digital Downloads eventually works...

Awhile back, I read a news story about a book store that essentially took a printer + binder, and hooked it up to the internet. For about 10 bucks, the user could use it to print out any book in the book store's system, and have it bound. I can't see why they couldn't do something similar here.

Get kiosks in stores, with internet access, that allows people to access their game profiles and transfer their game(s) onto a flash card or whatever, as well as allowing them to print out a case/instruction manual. The one catch being, just as the downloads are tied to your game account, the flash back-up would be tied to your game account (to curtail people selling these backups to friends and whatnot).

Way I see it, this limits the problems with digital download to just "lack of resale", which I can see game companies are quite happy with. It'll allow them to sell a lot more of any given game, and it's possible (although fairly unlikely) they'll be able to use increased sales to lower prices of each game.

Kfoster1979

05-31-2009, 07:50 PM

While i agree that things are moving towards digital downloads, i completely disagree about your value assessment. I rip my PSP games from UMD to my computer. I put my game on the shelf and forget about it. However, should that file ever become corrupt, i still have the original sitting on my shelf. If i eventually decide i no longer want the game, i can trade/sell the game, which then gives me money to buy another game. Until someone comes up with a secure way of transferring keys/ownership, i want physical media.

And I see that point; However I haven't bought a CD in years, but my iTunes, and Amazon account have seen plenty of activity. I do this with SD DVDs (and I will with Blu Rays when it becomes easier) rip everyone of them to a HDD and watch them using my Apple TV. The only reason I stop myself from buying movies from the iTunes store is I don't think the video quality is on par for what I want. I get why people have reservations about going all DD, but again I believe its the future and I want to help foster the technology to get here faster. I know not everyone thinks the same, but to just flat refuse and argue that somehow your consumer rights are being taken away seems to be a bit Chicken Little to me.

Monsta Mack

05-31-2009, 08:07 PM

So yeah what happended to the mana knight?

kurokubushi

05-31-2009, 08:43 PM

How about we wait till e3 and see what kind of support sony is going to have for the go BEFORE we start bitching about what a 1/2 assed job sony is doing.

Malik112099

05-31-2009, 08:46 PM

So yeah what happended to the mana knight?

Left here...someone said why in the "What ever happenend to.." thread in off topic forum

Shrapnellistic

05-31-2009, 08:47 PM

I'm more inclined to get excited for the PSP2 so until then best of luck to Sony giving Nintendo and Apple competition in the handheld market to make a PSP2 venture feasible with this relaunch of the PSP.

Malik112099

05-31-2009, 08:49 PM

How about we wait till e3 and see what kind of support sony is going to have for the go BEFORE we start bitching about what a 1/2 assed job sony is doing.

Since it is just a reconfigured PSP without an optical drive and BT added...i would say the support will be the same if not less that the current version of the PSP. i would think less support since it seems the general gamer population is hesistant to the whole dd thing and a halfway decent developer should know this. You can argue for STEAM all you want but at the end of the day pretty much every game on STEAM can be had physically and your computer still has at least one optical drive.

SynGamer

05-31-2009, 08:56 PM

And I see that point; However I haven't bought a CD in years, but my iTunes, and Amazon account have seen plenty of activity. I do this with SD DVDs (and I will with Blu Rays when it becomes easier) rip everyone of them to a HDD and watch them using my Apple TV. The only reason I stop myself from buying movies from the iTunes store is I don't think the video quality is on par for what I want. I get why people have reservations about going all DD, but again I believe its the future and I want to help foster the technology to get here faster. I know not everyone thinks the same, but to just flat refuse and argue that somehow your consumer rights are being taken away seems to be a bit Chicken Little to me.
See, I haven't bought a DVD in ages. I buy Blu-ray. Downloading HD movies isn't viable at this point on a mainstream scale, and streaming won't work either without heavy compression which makes the movie look like shit. Plus, i prefer to have Blu-ray for the uncompressed video (a full 20Mb is amazing to watch in 1080p) and the extras :)

SynGamer

05-31-2009, 08:59 PM

Since it is just a reconfigured PSP without an optical drive and BT added...i would say the support will be the same if not less that the current version of the PSP. i would think less support since it seems the general gamer population is hesistant to the whole dd thing and a halfway decent developer should know this. You can argue for STEAM all you want but at the end of the day pretty much every game on STEAM can be had physically and your computer still has at least one optical drive.
Do you people no pay attention to the news at all? Sony, as well as many developers/publishers, have stated multiple times this year and late last year that they will be offering more games via PSN. It really comes down to pricing, and i have an unfortunate feeling Sony is going to offer the games at the same price as their retail counterparts, which will fail. I understand why they do that, but it's unfortunate.

Malik112099

05-31-2009, 09:02 PM

Do you people no pay attention to the news at all? Sony, as well as many developers/publishers, have stated multiple times this year and late last year that they will be offering more games via PSN. It really comes down to pricing, and i have an unfortunate feeling Sony is going to offer the games at the same price as their retail counterparts, which will fail. I understand why they do that, but it's unfortunate.

That's the problem...we don't need more games via PSN for the PSP. We need more fucking games. Good games. System selling games. If the same shitty games go to PSN for $5-$10 less they still wont sell.

Kfoster1979

05-31-2009, 09:13 PM

See, I haven't bought a DVD in ages. I buy Blu-ray. Downloading HD movies isn't viable at this point on a mainstream scale, and streaming won't work either without heavy compression which makes the movie look like shit. Plus, i prefer to have Blu-ray for the uncompressed video (a full 20Mb is amazing to watch in 1080p) and the extras :)

Same here I have watched a few HD movies on my Apple TV and it looks nice, but not near the quality of my Blu Ray collection.

Ryukahn

05-31-2009, 09:55 PM

It really comes down to pricing, and i have an unfortunate feeling Sony is going to offer the games at the same price as their retail counterparts, which will fail. I understand why they do that, but it's unfortunate.

This is my main concern. If DD and physical copies cost the same, I won't have anything to do with the system. Sony already has pretty stupid pricing for their PSP games on PSN, so I'm not too hopeful on their new pricing. Still, the concept is nice.

mykevermin

05-31-2009, 10:19 PM

This machine is fuckin' ridiculous.

Thomas96

05-31-2009, 10:43 PM

Its like Sony ignored every piece of cosumer input to create this system. The mylo was a utter failure, so why would you make one of the best products you have reminiscent with one that was a failure. They should have let that Sony Vaio team design the system, instead of just rehasing and forcing the Mylo design w/ the PSP. Ohhhh, Sony.. God love em -

MillerTime2523

05-31-2009, 10:45 PM

The whole cell phone tethering thing sounds interesting to me - thats about it though. Not going to justify dropping 200+ bucks on it. If anything it will make me look for cheap PSP 1000s and 2000s on Craigslist / eBay and what not. Should be interesting how this plays out reguardless.

Kfoster1979

05-31-2009, 11:11 PM

So where can we watch the E3 2009 Sony and Microsoft Keynotes???

Microsoft's is Monday I think then Nintendo Then Sony each on a Different day.

IGN has a video stream, but I would like to find an audio stream to my iPhone.:wall:

h3llbring3r

05-31-2009, 11:28 PM

They should have let that Sony Vaio team design the system, instead of just rehasing and forcing the Mylo design w/ the PSP. Ohhhh, Sony.. God love em -
This!

I have never agreed with T'96 so much.

powersurge

06-01-2009, 12:13 AM

If there is some way to transfer UMD games (officially) I'm sold. My PSP1000 had awful battery life when I first got it and now the battery is starting to wear out (if I leave it on my desk for a week the charge goes poof). If it doesn't I'm just going to find a decent long lasting 3rd party battery.

I've already got a decent collection of UMD games and the only way I'm going to jump to download only is if we can download for no cost our current UMD games (or if they release a cheap UMD reader) otherwise I'll wait for PSP2.

J7.

06-01-2009, 02:57 AM

So this should have near double the battery life of current PSP's right? And it should have no loading times anymore? I don't understand why everyone thinks its the ugliest thing they've ever seen. I really like how it looks, it's very similar to Iphone (but with the benefit of real controls). What did people expect out of its looks? Expectations way too high.

h3llbring3r

06-01-2009, 03:11 AM

I really like how it looks . . . . What did people expect out of its looks?

:lol:

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/05/cartman.jpg

J7.

06-01-2009, 03:22 AM

opportunity777

06-01-2009, 03:24 AM

:lol:

h3llbring3r

06-01-2009, 03:34 AM

I'm not gonna let some stupid photoshop have any effect on me. What did you expect it to look like? It looks exactly how it was rumored to look. The screen only part is nice and sleek. The only thing I dislike somewhat is the rings around the dpad and buttons, and some of the idle space above the analog and start/select. Overall this is exactly what I had expected it to look like.

In fairness I can see where you are coming from, all things being considering; I think much of the negative aesthetic appeal results directly from the ill conceived choice of the slider design, which forces the recessed buttons and nubs (but not the stylistic choice to add the trim "rings"). The goofy mylo silhouette could have certainly been avoided though.

IMHO, it's one of those situations where a single design decision forces a series of choices that snowball out of control. In the designed by committee situations that all consoles go through it's easy to see how you can get something that's appeal rivals the Pontiac Aztec in terms of the cringe-factor.

J7.

06-01-2009, 03:44 AM

In fairness I can see where you are coming from, all things being considering; I think much of the negative aesthetic appeal results directly from the ill conceived choice of the slider design, which forces the recessed buttons and nubs (but not the stylistic choice to add the trim "rings"). The goofy mylo silhouette could have certainly been avoided though.

IMHO, it's one of those situations where a single design decision forces a series of choices that snowball out of control. In the designed by committee situations that all consoles go through it's easy to see how you can get something that's appeal rivals the Pontiac Aztec in terms of the cringe-factor.
If slider design means slightly recessed controls I'm all for it because I don't see how else you can design it to allow to only see and hold the screen by itself with the controls slid away, which is something I like for its compactness when viewing media or music. Although I wish it did have a touch screen because the design really would fit that well. And I'm not buying it to try and impress anybody or care what they think of the aesthetic look of my game machine. What do you mean by mylo silhouette? Thank you for actually explaining what about it really irks you. It's hard to tell when people just keep ragging on it without giving specific reasons.

h3llbring3r

06-01-2009, 03:53 AM

What do you mean by mylo silhouette? Thank you for actually explaining what about it really irks you. It's hard to tell when people just keep ragging on it without giving specific reasons.

For the mylo reference:
http://www.ubergizmo.com/photos/2008/1/mylo-2_website_ubergizmo_468.jpghttp://www.phonesreview.co.uk/wp-content/phoneimages/2008/01/sony_mylo_2_1.jpg

See mylo (1 & 2) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mylo_%28Sony%29)

The ergonomics also worry me (specifcally: How is the device going to be supported with-out any/limited palm-swell support- considering it's high mounted screen when open- cantilevering it in your hands with no support seems sketchy at best. & The low strained reach across the device for the analog nub looks uncomfortable.) but I am waiting for a hands on (if that happens).

J7.

06-01-2009, 04:14 AM

By silhouette then you mean the overall shape of it's edges I take it. I don't mind since it's more ergonomic than more rigid edges. I don't think you'll have to worry about support too much since it supposedly weighs much less. Maybe the triggers are harder too. Who knows until you hold it and use it. I think the analog is better than the current PSP, it's more like a Dualshock now. I like that better. We'll see.

Malik112099

06-01-2009, 04:33 AM

Slider design is just dumb because no matter what you do, you have to have it open to use the controls...unless it is touch screen. They should have just done a clam shell design because at least that way the screen is protected when not in use.

pete5883

06-01-2009, 09:52 AM

I think the idea is that you could watch videos on it with the controls closed. Not like anyone uses it for that.

mykevermin

06-01-2009, 09:55 AM

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: at hellbringer.

I look at this PSP Go and think to myself that this redesign is akin to dining at a restaurant and not finding your entree to your satisfaction. Yet, when you bring this to the attention of your server, they take it back to the kitchen, who rearranges everything on the plate and sends it back to your table, expecting you to enjoy it. And, perhaps, in the process, you lost a piece of garnish, but nothing else.

Richard Kain

06-01-2009, 01:04 PM

The aesthetic approach to the system's exterior is a very small factor in this equation. This is much more of a system re-launch than anything that Nintendo has done with the DSi. The real benefits to this handhelds design aren't necessarily for gamers. They are for more casual consumers and developers.

The anti-piracy measures that a download-only handheld will be able to employ are going to thrill developers. This is actually a rather bold move on Sony's part. Nintendo is dappling in this idea with the DSi, but Sony is going balls-out by making a system that will not have a proprietary disc or cartridge. With this, one of the biggest issues developers have had with the PSP dissapears. Naturally, this is going to upset the current PSP faithful. I fully expect the UMD format to be dead and burried inside of a year and a half. But the new consumers this approach could draw in will likely be worth it.

opportunity777

06-01-2009, 01:26 PM

The anti-piracy measures that a download-only handheld will be able to employ are going to thrill developers. This is actually a rather bold move on Sony's part. Nintendo is dappling in this idea with the DSi, but Sony is going balls-out by making a system that will not have a proprietary disc or cartridge. With this, one of the biggest issues developers have had with the PSP dissapears. Naturally, this is going to upset the current PSP faithful. I fully expect the UMD format to be dead and burried inside of a year and a half. But the new consumers this approach could draw in will likely be worth it.

Honestly, in a long time, I haven't seen this type of negativity towards a console. I don't like the 'Cartman' Go, but I already spewed my reasons on here.

You have bold speculations. The risk is actually not much. A real 'balls-out' approach would be to abandon all the current models. Sony is not discontinuing the 3000 because they don't have confidence in this product and the backlash would be terrible.

Inevitably, the DRM will be broken and the developers won't be 'happy' again. The 'piracy' issue will come back up, and Sony will be in the same situation. Nintendo has the easiest hackable consoles, but they continue to be the frontrunners in the console arms race. Hmmm .....

Unless the unit is significantly cheaper than the current models, I don't think the system will perform well. In addition, the prices of the games will have to significantly fall. No more $30 and $40 videogames. My gut feeling is neither of those two will happen, and Sony will still be a distant second place against Nintendo with nothing to show for this latest effort.

Maybe, with enough marketing 'hype' (so far it's been mostly bad), Sony could pounce on consumers and snag the early adopters for big initial sales numbers. in a terrible economy, their task is a bit more difficult. No matter what happens, their best case scenario is second place to Nintendo and average profits.

mykevermin

06-01-2009, 02:01 PM

Inevitably, the DRM will be broken and the developers won't be 'happy' again. The 'piracy' issue will come back up, and Sony will be in the same situation.

Mm-hmm.

As for second place to Nintendo, 30-some-odd% marketshare in the handheld market is vastly superior to anything other non-Nintendo companies have accomplished since the Game Boy debuted. Second place? Sure. But they're still in business, at any rate.

opportunity777

06-01-2009, 02:16 PM

Mm-hmm.

As for second place to Nintendo, 30-some-odd% marketshare in the handheld market is vastly superior to anything other non-Nintendo companies have accomplished since the Game Boy debuted. Second place? Sure. But they're still in business, at any rate.

I believe the PSP is successful, but a lot of people view it as a failure. Even Sony seems to believe the product has failed to meet expectations.

In the handheld market, Nintendo's competition has been weak. The GameGear, Nomad, Lynx, TG16 handheld (don't remember the name), GP32, Wonderswan, Neo Geo Pocket, N-Gage and various others have all been average or worse. Sony has fared much better than all previous challengers.

I just don't see the Go giving Sony any edge over Nintendo and helping increase their market share by a substantial margin.

mykevermin

06-01-2009, 02:22 PM

TurboExpress.

I agree - the Go! is old wine in new bottles.

Richard Kain

06-01-2009, 02:46 PM

A real 'balls-out' approach would be to abandon all the current models. Sony is not discontinuing the 3000 because they don't have confidence in this product and the backlash would be terrible.

If you actually believe Sony's promise of continuing the regular PSP models, I would direct you to Nintendo's promise to continue the GameBoy brand. If the Go is able to garner the necessary degree of sales and profitability, Sony WILL abandon the regular-model PSP. UMD as a format for movie sales is dead in the water. And developers have been jumping ship because of how easy it is to pirate their games for the PSP. Sony has no reason to continue support for UMDs, or PSPs that support the format.

Now as I mentioned, this depends on the level of success that the PSP Go will be able to achieve. But from the very beginning the PSP Go is going to be more profitable than its predecessor. The cost of production will almost certainly be lower, so the profit margin is going to be better. (UMD drives are very intricate, replacing this with a fat chunk of memory is going to slash production costs) Without the cost of printing or distributing discs, the profit margin on every piece of software sold is going to be much higher. Even if the PSP Go just manages to keep pace with current PSP hardware sales, it will be considered a success by Sony.

Inevitably, the DRM will be broken and the developers won't be 'happy' again. The 'piracy' issue will come back up, and Sony will be in the same situation. Nintendo has the easiest hackable consoles, but they continue to be the frontrunners in the console arms race. Hmmm .....

Moving distribution to an on-line only system gives Sony infinitely more control over DRM. Even if the DRM for the hardware is broken, it won't matter. Sony can implement whatever security they want, in the downloaded games that they distribute. They can have a "master" version of a game, and then re-compile that master version with a DRM key that is specific to your PSP Go's serial number. That is to say, your downloaded copy of a specific game will only work with your specific PSP Go, and no one elses. And that's just one scenario. With control of distribution in their hands, they can go absolutely nuts with DRM. They can try anything, and change their anti-piracy strategies as often as they like. (since they never have to worry about recalling UMDs that have been shipped to stores) This strategy actually gives them a chance to keep pace with piracy.

lord_ebonstone

06-01-2009, 02:59 PM

Sony still hasn't learned that the way out of a hole isn't to keep digging.

More SKUs = customer confusion = "Fuck this, I'll just get a Wii."

opportunity777

06-01-2009, 03:04 PM

If ...

I think the Go has more in common with the GBA Micro than other GameBoy models. Smaller size, tiny screen, different design and less features.

I don't disagree with your assessment: IF the Go is successful, THEN it will replace the current model. I don't have a lot of confidence in Sony pulling this off. I already wrote my piece about piracy, and it is not necessary to repeat my post.

Even with the change in product delivery, profit margins may not actually be better. Although, digital distribution should help cut costs. I will agree with parts of your statement, but the conclusion of higher profit margins is not inevitable.

The DRM paragraph is from fairy tale land.

Sony still hasn't learned that the way out of a hole isn't to keep digging.

More SKUs = customer confusion = "Fuck this, I'll just get a Wii."

Sony has proven its in a trough. They are in N64 and GameCube territory. Another major slip (PS4 or whatever) will put them in Sega land. Or, the next generation could bring them great success and all of this will be a distant memory. :)

I do know the Go is not the answer. Sony is hoping to use this model as a stepping stone for PSP2. I'm not against the move, but I'm not confident they can effectively execute the strategy. Aside from their marketing ability ineptitude, I don't like the product features. In the last few years, they have shown a lot of incompetence and arrogance (even more than MS). IMO, Sony is not responding well to most consumer complaints regarding the system.

On a related issue, nobody here has mentioned the influx of bandwidth restrictions by internet providers.

anubis20

06-01-2009, 03:43 PM

the thing with the PSP, at least in my case is that I buy mostly imports, last year for example i bought like 10 imports and 1 us game (crisis Core). Buying digital only from Japan involves having a japanese account along with japanese PSN money. I would still be forced to use the UMD.

opportunity777

06-01-2009, 04:19 PM

Malik112099

06-01-2009, 04:31 PM

Moving distribution to an on-line only system gives Sony infinitely more control over DRM.

yeah....can you say app store? people will find a way around it

Richard Kain

06-01-2009, 04:46 PM

I think the Go has more in common with the GBA Micro than other GameBoy models. Smaller size, tiny screen, different design and less features.

Oh come on now. That's a bit of an exaggeration. They are completely overhauling the way games for the platform are distributed and stored. That is nothing like the GameBoy Micro.

I will agree with parts of your statement, but the conclusion of higher profit margins is not inevitable.

Actually, improved profit margins are always inevitable, due to the nature of the production cycle. The longer a device is in production, the lower the production cost. (as its components become less expensive to produce and assemble) Since Sony isn't completely re-inventing the wheel on the PSP Go, they will be retaining a lot of the production savings that are already in effect. Just look at the 16 gigs of flash memory they are putting in the thing. When the PSP was originally released, it would have cost them between $200 - $300 USD to squeeze that much flash memory in the PSP. For the PSP Go they probably won't have to drop more than $15 - $20 per unit.

The DRM paragraph is from fairy tale land.

Actually, Nintendo is contracting with a third-party company to install a similar DRM scheme into future DS catridges. The R4 has been a huge problem for Nintendo. They are planning on encoding individual keys on DS catridges, so that each game will have to be hacked individually in order to extract ROM files from them. It won't solve the problem entirely, but it will make pirates attempts a hell of a lot harder and more arduous. And managing DRM for an on-line system is infinitely easier and more flexible. (since you always retain control over the on-line system)

I'm not against the move, but I'm not confident they can effectively execute the strategy.

This is really the big question. This new strategy for the PSP hinges entirely on the system's on-line presence and offerings. If they can succeed at that, iTunes-style, than everything will be roses. If they can't, they may have to end up burying the PSP entirely. But on-line integration is proving to be a very popular way to distribute and manage media. Sony's best bet would be to integrate some Web 2.0 community features into its on-line PSP initiative. Give people more reasons to stick around.

IMO, Sony is not responding well to most consumer complaints regarding the system.

The main issue is that there aren't really any complaints about the system. The people who are buying the hardware are hacking it, and then doing whatever they please. They aren't complaining. Most of the complaints from more casual gamers relate to the system's awkward size, it's battery life, and its weight. The PSP Go addresses all of those.

On a related issue, nobody here has mentioned the influx of bandwidth restrictions by internet providers.

Believe it or not, most PSP games don't break 150 MB. That's still a decently hefty download. But it isn't nearly the issue for filesize that full games for the PC, 360, or PS3 are facing. There are a few PSP games for which this will be an issue, but no current PSP game breaks 1.5 Gigs. Besides, an on-line distribution system opens up the PSP to a lot of smaller games that can be sold for a lower price.

h3llbring3r

06-01-2009, 04:47 PM

Interesting (via joystiq):

A recent survey (http://www.joystiq.com/photos/psp-rental/2025355/full/) seeks consumer interest in a PSP game rental service. With the PSP Go all but confirmed a possibility (http://www.joystiq.com/tag/psp-go) and UMD on its way out (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/04/13/rumor-patapon-2-wont-be-sold-on-umd-retail-to-sell-psn-vouche/), a PSP that takes full advantage of the digital age and the PSN (http://joystiq.com/tag/psn-thursday) doesn't exactly sound like crazy talk. Plus, there's always going to be a rental market (http://joystiq.com/tag/gamefly), so why shouldn't Sony take advantage of that?

Depending on the terms and price, the idea of a direct rental service sounds like a potentially cost effective option for gamers during these hard economic times. Should it ever come to fruition, that is.

http://www.blogcdn.com/playstation.joystiq.com/media/2009/05/psprental580.jpg

LOL, I guess this is more like a subscription based DD than a rental but it has potential- Zune pass equivalent for PSN?

xycury

06-01-2009, 05:20 PM

YUCK to subscriptions.

Does this have a chance to support the older PSP systems?

J7.

06-01-2009, 05:53 PM

Oh come on now. That's a bit of an exaggeration. They are completely overhauling the way games for the platform are distributed and stored. That is nothing like the GameBoy Micro.
Agreed.

Actually, improved profit margins are always inevitable, due to the nature of the production cycle. The longer a device is in production, the lower the production cost. (as its components become less expensive to produce and assemble) Since Sony isn't completely re-inventing the wheel on the PSP Go, they will be retaining a lot of the production savings that are already in effect. Just look at the 16 gigs of flash memory they are putting in the thing. When the PSP was originally released, it would have cost them between $200 - $300 USD to squeeze that much flash memory in the PSP. For the PSP Go they probably won't have to drop more than $15 - $20 per unit.
Agreed.

Actually, Nintendo is contracting with a third-party company to install a similar DRM scheme into future DS catridges. The R4 has been a huge problem for Nintendo. They are planning on encoding individual keys on DS catridges, so that each game will have to be hacked individually in order to extract ROM files from them. It won't solve the problem entirely, but it will make pirates attempts a hell of a lot harder and more arduous. And managing DRM for an on-line system is infinitely easier and more flexible. (since you always retain control over the on-line system)
I also see this helping a lot with piracy and being able to update their DRM more easily and effectively. You have to wonder if some people are mad because they don't see themselves being able to pirate as easily with the new design.

This is really the big question. This new strategy for the PSP hinges entirely on the system's on-line presence and offerings. If they can succeed at that, iTunes-style, than everything will be roses. If they can't, they may have to end up burying the PSP entirely. But on-line integration is proving to be a very popular way to distribute and manage media. Sony's best bet would be to integrate some Web 2.0 community features into its on-line PSP initiative. Give people more reasons to stick around.
We won't know unless they try, and right now is the best time for them to do this. With a shit economy you don't release a brand new PSP2, when you can still wait. Piracy killed umd. This is needed. Better for them to do it now than wait until it's too late.

The main issue is that there aren't really any complaints about the system. The people who are buying the hardware are hacking it, and then doing whatever they please. They aren't complaining. Most of the complaints from more casual gamers relate to the system's awkward size, it's battery life, and its weight. The PSP Go addresses all of those.
People complain about everything and will continue to complain. People complained about umd both for movies and games. They complained about battery life. They complained about the 3000 screen. Etc.

On a related issue, nobody here has mentioned the influx of bandwidth restrictions by internet providers.
Some of those restrictions were removed after trying to test them in select markets and customers getting upset. But, you might as well compain about any digital products then on PC like Steam, XBLA, PSN on PS3, Hulu, etc.

I think the idea is that you could watch videos on it with the controls closed. Not like anyone uses it for that.
Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but that's a main reason why I like this design. For when I watch tv, movies, trailers, music, etc, which I do a lot of on my PSP. If they did flip close, then people would bitch about them copying Nintendo.

YUCK to subscriptions.

Does this have a chance to support the older PSP systems?
Personally, I agree. But it doesn't effect us. It's just another way to get your games, it will be great for the Gamefly type of gamer. I think this will probably work with all PSPs.

anubis20

06-01-2009, 06:30 PM

What did you get?

like 3 gundam games, bleach, macross cant remember the ther ones

opportunity777

06-01-2009, 07:55 PM

Oh...

Paragraph by paragraph because large quotes just clutter up the thread more. I may have missed one by accident or whatever.

I'm writing about the design decisions. You just ran off on your own. <-- I'm not explicitly going to write what this means.

A change in media delivery (this feels like writing Deja Vu) will not necessarily yield improved profit margins. If we isolate the profit margins stemming from the change in strategy, then our profits margin from that segment may not display better results. This is one important measure to compare the performance of both units and our teams responsible for the changes. Under certain conditions (product success, blah blah), yes, overall increases in profit margins are an inevitably for products moving through the production and manufacturering cycle. I didn't say anything about that in my post.

Actually, it doesn't matter what Nintendo does because the DRM will not stop people from breaking it, which makes the whole issue irrelevant. We have a psychological component of DRM as well. I will not address it because this is not a philosophy class.

For your Itunes paragraph, why do we need another device that tries to mimic a much better product on the market? Sony has not answered this question at all.

There are definitely complaints about the system. Sony has addressed some of those complaints, such as, loading times. The market has spoken. For this type of product, people want a gaming device first, and an all-in-one unit second. The public has its MP3 players, Blackberries and Iphones. Why do we need another device in this market segment? At this time, I don't believe we need another inferior gadget to perform those functions.

Same paragraph different point, but I didn't want to confuse you:

Right now, we have no way of knowing about the battery life. When the Slim was being promoted, Sony claimed increase battery life. The included battery (I feel like I have to write each item specifically when addressing you) with the Slim did not extend the unit's power time. When devices become smaller, the battery becomes tinier too. Thus, the device's battery yield may actually be the same as the previous unit (or worse, better, whatever).

If a buyer has a PSP, Wii, PS3, watch TV shows online, use Steam and other services, then the numbers quickly add up. The file sizes don't have to be 1.5 GB. As the UMD continues to be fazed out (we know it will be completely replaced by SOMETHING one day), with digital distribution, we could have ten GB PSP games. Regardless, my bandwidth limit is already pushed to the brink.

I address your own points, but you tangent the conversation into other directions and issues by yourself. If I'm writing a response to certain paragraphs in your post, then why are you acting like I'm referring to completely different issues and omitting details (that were missing from your own posts). A lot of your responses include extraneous material. Also, if you are going to bring up a new issue, then, without the condescending prose, don't address my post like I forgot about it. This is a forum (implied meaning here), but you've turned your responses into a research paper with no template.

Some of those restrictions were removed after trying to test them in select markets and customers getting upset. But, you might as well compain about any digital products then on PC like Steam, XBLA, PSN on PS3, Hulu, etc.

I do complain because of my bandwidth limitations. If companies expect all of their items to go digital, then they should work with cable providers to remove some of our restrictions.

like 3 gundam games, bleach, macross cant remember the ther ones

I don't know why (and I'm not going to bother speculating) none of the Gundam games or Bleach are ported over here. All the Gundam fans seem to eat up crap that comes overseas. We have 6000 Naruto and Dragonball Z games, so I don't see a problem with Bleach.

iRent

06-01-2009, 09:08 PM

In fairness I can see where you are coming from, all things being considering; I think much of the negative aesthetic appeal results directly from the ill conceived choice of the slider design, which forces the recessed buttons and nubs (but not the stylistic choice to add the trim "rings"). The goofy mylo silhouette could have certainly been avoided though.

IMHO, it's one of those situations where a single design decision forces a series of choices that snowball out of control. In the designed by committee situations that all consoles go through it's easy to see how you can get something that's appeal rivals the Pontiac Aztec in terms of the cringe-factor.

I like the way it looks when closed but the controls don't seem functional. I know people already complain about the feel of the slim (from the 1000). This thing is going to feel like a paperweight.

The DRM paragraph is from fairy tale land.
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Sony has proven its in a trough. They are in N64 and GameCube territory. Another major slip (PS4 or whatever) will put them in Sega land. Or, the next generation could bring them great success and all of this will be a distant memory. :)

I believe that they feel they (Sony) are in Sega territory (with the PSP). If the Go! is over-produced, this may stick them there and kill the psp.

Aceboogz

06-01-2009, 10:46 PM

i hope this is fake please.

iRent

06-01-2009, 11:25 PM

i hope this is fake please.

Maybe in another universe

FitzRoy

06-01-2009, 11:51 PM

Looks great, dunno what all the negativity is about. Digital downloads is definitely a good move for the portable market. UMD wasn't terrible, but it was a battery sucker compared to flash and now that flash is more economical, it's the clear choice. Very clever design hiding the buttons beneath instead of permanent side bars, should make it more pocket friendly along with the slightly smaller screen. Curved edges look more comfortable to grip than the boxy DS-like ones that look better but are a complete pain to hold.

And lastly, give the "no second analog stick" rubbish a rest, please. No way, no how, should they have introduced a new control scheme that would effectively make PSP Go games incompatible with old PSP models.

doodofdoods

06-02-2009, 12:02 AM

FitzRoy

06-02-2009, 12:10 AM

Well they need something that would make people want to buy this instead of the old psp's. the DSI has a download store that has exclusive games that the old DS can't play. PSP GO has no exclusive content and actually is a less capable gaming machine than the older PSP models since it doesn't have a UMD slot.

I disagree, this is the most pocket-friendly model of the PSP yet. And they don't need exclusive content, they simply need to cease producing old models. UMD is a mechanical battery hog, people went out of their way to rip their games just to avoid the damn thing. If flash memory had been this cheap when the PSP first launched, they'd have never bothered with it. It's also possible that the "line issue" on PSP-3000s is resolved on this model, and we still don't know what other internal changes or die shrinks might have been made to improve battery life further. I wouldn't hesitate buying one if given the choice.

J7.

06-02-2009, 01:25 AM

Responding to what you have said to Richard Kain.

For your Itunes paragraph, why do we need another device that tries to mimic a much better product on the market? Sony has not answered this question at all.

What's wrong with having another device that gets its content through the Internet? Everything is moving towards that direction. Just because Apple does it best doesn't mean others shouldn't go in that inevitable direction.

The public has its MP3 players, Blackberries and Iphones. Why do we need another device in this market segment? At this time, I don't believe we need another inferior gadget to perform those functions.

Some people don't want to carry around more than 1 device all the time or at all. Just because one device does some things better than another (while the other also does some things better) doesn't mean we should only have each device only do things you cannot find on the other device. I enjoy watching videos on PSP and find it easier to get them on it than I do on Ipod anyways. I also like to game on PSP and then switch it up on the fly and listen to music or watch a video. Definitely a plus and shouldn't be removed because some device may do some of those better.

Right now, we have no way of knowing about the battery life. When the Slim was being promoted, Sony claimed increase battery life. The included battery (I feel like I have to write each item specifically when addressing you) with the Slim did not extend the unit's power time. When devices become smaller, the battery becomes tinier too. Thus, the device's battery yield may actually be the same as the previous unit (or worse, better, whatever).

We don't know battery life, but it should definitely be improved given the screen and no umd needed.

If a buyer has a PSP, Wii, PS3, watch TV shows online, use Steam and other services, then the numbers quickly add up. The file sizes don't have to be 1.5 GB. As the UMD continues to be fazed out (we know it will be completely replaced by SOMETHING one day), with digital distribution, we could have ten GB PSP games. Regardless, my bandwidth limit is already pushed to the brink.

This is a dilemma for all online usage and most are not in your boat unfortunately.

I do complain because of my bandwidth limitations. If companies expect all of their items to go digital, then they should work with cable providers to remove some of our restrictions.

They should, so those affected by limitations should speak up to each company that offers things digitally, not throw the blame only on PSP Go.

Well they need something that would make people want to buy this instead of the old psp's. the DSI has a download store that has exclusive games that the old DS can't play. PSP GO has no exclusive content and actually is a less capable gaming machine than the older PSP models since it doesn't have a UMD slot.
It's not meant to have exclusive content. That is why I'm happy as a former PSP owner. They haven't segmented the userbase and effectively forced you to upgrade. At least, not yet. It's not meant to be "Sony's DSi". I have a 2000 and I'm considering selling it for the Go. I might not though, I don't lose out on exclusive content, so I don't have to.