Metroid: Other M - The CAG Thread

[KingBroly]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v445/ananag12/mom3.jpg
- Thanks to ananag112 for the banner

Nintendo has pegged Team Ninja to create the next game in the Metroid universe, coming in 2010!


Basic Information
Cost: $49.99
Release: August 31, 2010
Developer: Team Ninja / Nintendo R&D1
Pre-Order Bonuses:
- Pre-Order at Gamestop to receive a 16-card art folio
- Pre-Order at Amazon and get a $20 Gift Card Credit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ruVuOI5Igo

Review Scores - 21 scores

CAG: Outstanding (Worth $49.99)
Gamefan: 9.5/10
Wired: 9/10
GamesTM Magazine: 9/10
Joystiq: 4.5/5
D-Pad Magazine: 4.5/5
Worth Playing: 9/10
Famitsu: 35/40 (9/9/8/9)
Gametrailers: 8.6/10
Nintendo Power: 8.5/10
IGN: 8.5/10
Digital Chumps: 8.4/10
Eurogamer: 8/10
Edge: 8/10
Giant Bomb: 4/5
Game Pro: 4/5
1up: B-
Games Radar: 7/10
Destructoid: 6.5/10
Game Informer: 6.25/10
G4TV: 2/5


News & Other Information
August 12, 2010: Top 5 Things IGN loves about the game (http://wii.ign.com/articles/111/1111851p1.html)
August 11, 2010: Iwata Asks (http://us.wii.com/iwata_asks/metroid-other-m/vol1_page1.jsp)

August 10, 2010: Gameplay Impressions Roundup:
Giant Bomb (http://www.giantbomb.com/news/doing-backflips-and-kill-moves-in-metroid-other-m/2402/) | Gamespot (http://www.gamespot.com/wii/action/metroidotherm/news.html?sid=6272432&mode=previews) | IGN (http://wii.ign.com/articles/111/1110480p1.html) | 1up (http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3180732) | Joystiq (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/08/06/preview-metroid-other-m/) | Destructoid (http://www.destructoid.com/getting-that-retro-feeling-with-metroid-other-m-180674.phtml)

August 1, 2010: Club Nintendo Intend to Buy (https://club.nintendo.com/intend-to-purchase-register.do?productCode=R3OE)
July 31, 2010: Gameplay Footage (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/gt-pop-block-metroid-other/702358)
July 28, 2010: Developer Interview (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3180610)[
July 28, 2010: Kotaku Impressions (http://kotaku.com/5598501/what-if-the-next-metroid-is-a-bad-game)
July 23, 2010: Comic-Con Footage (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/sdcc-10-metroid-other/702035)
July 20, 2010: Metroid Database Gameplay Impressions (http://metroid-database.com/?p=newsarch&id=329)
June 29, 2010: Eurogamer Interview (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/reinventing-metroid-interview?page=1)
June 4, 2009: IGN Article (http://wii.ign.com/articles/991/991793p1.html)


Videos - Spoiler Tagged to protect you from AWESOME

July 27, 2010 - Japanese Story Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRMBerJtJjM

July 13, 2010 - Gameplay Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4snHmGn8VQ

July 12, 2010 - Birth of Samus Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDZ2koT1aLM

June 16, 2010 - E3 2010 Gameplay Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUiYlTl0FMQ

March 30, 2010 - New Gameplay Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrAWYvUG8N8

March 2, 2010 - "Young and Naive" Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eZJXeDXg1Y

E3 2009 Reveal Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CWDf9_nDQw

[Strell]

I'm going to take a guess that the other mother is the scientist woman that Samus stares down/was shown at the beginning of the trailer.

This implies this woman helped create Metroids. Maybe she made Mother Brain or did experiments or something.

Sorry, I just always liked the Metroid mythos.

[KingBroly]

I'll have to see a better trailer of it to see if that's what it was, because I didn't get the feeling. Metroid Mythos is the Chozo created the Metroids.

[Strell]

I'm mostly going on the fact that there were two blondes in the trailer that were prominent, one being Samus. At first I thought they were the same person, but this other lady has short hair and was dressed in a lab coat.

Forgot about the Chozo making the 'troids, I need to brush up on my history.

[Ryukahn]

I need a trailer link asap! Had to step out, and come back to hear of a new Metroid!!!!!!!!!!!!! :drool::drool::drool:

[bigdaddy]

I'm thinking clones!

[erectiontown]

this is gonna rule my guts so hard

[foltzie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CWDf9_nDQw

[foltzie]

Ok, when someone made their wish for another Mother game from Nintendo did they forget to be specific?

[Ryukahn]

Nevermind, just saw it on Gametrailers. Looks incredible!

[MightySlacker]

Does that thing at 1:20 give anyone Super Metroid flashbacks?

http://i42.tinypic.com/xfe2v7.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/f582yo.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/2hqxoi9.jpg

Dave

[lilboo]

:applause:

[Antic]

It looks decent, but I still am a little concerned with Team Ninja at the helm. I absolutely love the Metroid franchise, so I hope it turns out ok.

[KingBroly]

Big news: Who at Nintendo is helping them make it? Why, none other than the Legendary Nintendo R&D 1 team.

[johnnypark]

If this comes out half as good as it looks, I will be a very happy man.

[Sir_Fragalot]

This better not be like a God of War ripoff, I hope it is in 2D mostly with 3D added in somewhere. I want to see more because I am highly interested.

Defiantly a day 1 for me.

[Lone_Prodigy]

Is the woman at the beginning and the scientist woman at the end the same person?

[NTolerance]

My inner Metroid fanboy could be very angry about this. I suspect this game to be 3D camera bullshit. Why can't we just have New Super Metroid Bros.?

[Blackout]

I think I might actually look into getting a Wii to play this game.

[Riyonuk]

I didn't know how to properly respond to this thread, without sounding like a stupid school girl, here goes nothing...

...ZOMG WOW!!! :D

*ahem*

Where to start. The first thing that I noticed, was that the military captain looking person says "Any rejections lady?", and as we all know, Adam Malkovich said that in the Fusion series. So, judging by the title "Other M", it leads me to believe their is another person in the bloodline of the Malkovich's. Also, why did he say that to the blond mistress? Is that supposed to be Samus?

"I'm Samus Aran", is what the blonde lady says, yet we Samus already in her suit. Fusion did introduce the addition of the Samus-X, so...interesting. Just interesting.

Anyone else notice the Mother Brain scream as Samus did a charge into it's face. Awesome.

[Cry Havoc]

Where to start. The first thing that I noticed, was that the military captain looking person says "Any rejections lady?", and as we all know, Adam Malkovich said that in the Fusion series. So, judging by the title "Other M", it leads me to believe their is another person in the bloodline of the Malkovich's.

I took that as meaning this is a prequel to Fusion when he is still alive, and that it IS Adam Malcovich. Also, not that it matters, but I'm pretty sure he says "objections," not "rejections."

"I'm Samus Aran", is what the blonde lady says, yet we Samus already in her suit.

I thought that at first too, but when I watched it again I noticed that you never actually see the other lady say it, and it sounds echoey, as if the voice is coming from Samus inside the suit. I think it's Samus introducing herself to that lady.

[Boeing 747]

Not only a prequel to Fusion (which is 4) possibly a prequel to the entire series, or at the least flashbacks and part of it will be (ala Godfather 2?).. since Adam as far as I know was gone before the first Metroid.

One thing that was interesting was seeing a clearly young Samus (I think it was Samus, the boyish looking sort of girl, looks similar to the e-manga) and then also the one similar to the Prime series in there.. so I wonder if we'll be seeing kind of cut backs into the past and future...

I also think it was Samus saying "I'm Samus Aran" in the suit, since her lips don't move.. I think it was basically just letting us know, she's talking in this.

I'm largely very happy to see a more story driven Metroid. Metroid Prime 1 was a good example of kind of a hidden backstory, which I also like.. but Metroid Prime 3 was sort of somewhere inbetween, it's like they didn't want to go too far either way. Fusion to me was a really good story, it featured some real nice surprises.

But I have some reservations. I hope Team Ninja doesn't turn her into some kind of sex symbol, I'd like to say Nintendo won't but considering what they did in Brawl, I'm not too sure. Two, the gameplay.. is it a real 2D Metroid? It seemed like it had all kinds of different camera motions and stuff, tough to tell.. I hope they can create the same atmosphere and feeling that previous Metroids have been able to do. I also hope we'll see more of a Super Metroid sort of style gameplay over a Fusion style, Fusion was a bit too linear for my taste.

[Monsta Mack]

The best thing to come out of this years E3 (Nintendo wise).
Yeah Mario Galaxy 2 will own, but this was the biggest bang from Nintendo's side. Team Ninja actually made me even more excited considering the greatness that was Ninja Gaiden 1 and 2 for XBox/360.

[wjhard63]

Maybe she made Mother Brain or did experiments or something.

I gotta think this is what the 'Other M' references - that or some kind of different Metroid. I think this may be a prequel to the first Metroid, detailing how Mother Brain came to exist/how she was created (the bio-tech/brains were talked about in logs in Metriod Prime 3 briefly). If this is a prequel, hopefully they talk about Samus' origins (this time through voiced cut scenes, not logs!), the space pirate attack that killed her parents, the Chozos that raised her and gave her the suit, and how she went back to human society and became a bounty hunter.

Is the blond with the short hair in the beginning a young Samus or the scientist at the end of the movie?

I'm really looking forward to this game - 2010 can't come fast enough!

[Boeing 747]

I gotta think this is what the 'Other M' references - that or some kind of different Metroid. I think this may be a prequel to the first Metroid, detailing how Mother Brain came to exist/how she was created (the bio-tech/brains were talked about in logs in Metriod Prime 3 briefly). If this is a prequel, hopefully they talk about Samus' origins (this time through voiced cut scenes, not logs!), the space pirate attack that killed her parents, the Chozos that raised her and gave her the suit, and how she went back to human society and became a bounty hunter.

Is the blond with the short hair in the beginning a young Samus or the scientist at the end of the movie?

I'm really looking forward to this game - 2010 can't come fast enough!

I'm almost 100% sure that the short hair blond is a Young Samus.

(From the manga)
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/4613/picture5tkd.png

(from the trailer)
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8223/picture4pbk.png

Obviously an older one then the manga (that's when her parents were killed) I wouldn't normally put so much thought into it but it also shows Adam near exactly as he is in the trailer too.

Another interesting question I saw was looking at the manga I realized that Ridley talks in it and from ever piece of intel and bit we know, Ridley is a actually a very smart... I wonder if we'll see him talk as well.

Edit- After watching the trailer again... I wonder who actually said I'm Samus Aran.. the voice sounds muffled like it's coming from the helmet and Samus (or whoever is in the suit) turns and has body language like she is talking but her lips don't move, I cant imagine it would be anyone else though, considering the backstory it wouldn't make sense for anyone to be in the suit.

My guess is the scientist is probably someone Samus befriends and then gets backstabbed by, why else would there be that weird look.

I also sort of agree with CoffeeEdge, I definatly don't want it all action, but keep in mind just about every Metroid Prime trailer was full of action, as well.

[CoffeeEdge]

Strangely, I'm not feeling super-hyped about this, from initial reaction.

I suppose that it could be just that the trailer was cut to be exciting and action-packed, but I'm hoping that the actual game has Metroid's trademark exploration elements. It can't just be all action.

[foltzie]

Bulldog into a headshot, its like one of the Penny Arcade boys was filling out a survey on what they want to see in a game.

[Strell]

Bulldog into a headshot, its like one of the Penny Arcade boys was filling out a survey on what they want to see in a game.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v297/Einzell/20021018h.gif

Still one of my favorite PAs ever.

[KingBroly]

The person in the suit is Samus Aran. She says "I'm Samus Aran". You can somewhat see that her lips move.

[Cao Cao]

1up (http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?pager.offset=0&cId=3174587&p=44) did an interview with Yoshio Sakamoto of Nintendo and Yusuke Hayashi of Team Ninja.

[Masterkyo]

Team Ninja + Metroid = Metroid Ninja Sigma :) lol

[crunchewy]

I have to admit that the only Metroid game I've played was Metroid Prime 1, and that for only about 10 minutes. It looked like it could be fun but the analog stick controls for a FPS were so klunky I couldn't stand it. I also tried a FPS on PS2 with equally klunky results. So I'm going to have to pick up the Trilogy when it comes out - Wii controls for those games have to be a massive improvement. I'm also trying to get hold of a complete copy of Fusion from Goozex.

[Riyonuk]

Anyone have any speculations to share? Here are a couple that have arisen in M2K2 IRC rooms.

If you take the first letters of Metroid: Other M and turn it into an acronym, you get M:OM, which is Mom, or Mother. We also know Mother Brain is in it, she was in the trailer. OTHER M is an anagram for MOTHER, just place the M in front of OTHER ;)

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/metroid/images/5/54/Mother3.png

You can even see the baby metroid sucking on Samus's head ^-^

Strangely, I'm not feeling super-hyped about this, from initial reaction.

I suppose that it could be just that the trailer was cut to be exciting and action-packed, but I'm hoping that the actual game has Metroid's trademark exploration elements. It can't just be all action.

From initial reaction, probably not, but that's how I felt about the first Metroid Prime. Just look at the first trailer.

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It's pretty much known now, that the commander in the trailer was indeed, Adam Malkovich. Just compare the faces from the Manga, to the trailer.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/metroid/images/6/6e/Adammalkovich.jpg

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/metroid/images/1/1e/Adam_Malkovich_%28Other_M%29.png

And it's awesome that the Speed Booster is back, in 3D ^_^

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7156/othermh.jpg

SR388 Base anyone?

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/6962/maybe.png

I took that as meaning this is a prequel to Fusion when he is still alive, and that it IS Adam Malcovich. Also, not that it matters, but I'm pretty sure he says "objections," not "rejections."



I thought that at first too, but when I watched it again I noticed that you never actually see the other lady say it, and it sounds echoey, as if the voice is coming from Samus inside the suit. I think it's Samus introducing herself to that lady.

He does. Typo, I was too excited :P

[Snake2715]

So, judging by the title "Other M", it leads me to believe their is another person in the bloodline of the Malkovich's.

Which would support Metroid Other M.....

Other than liking metroid I am not all into it, or a lot of other games. I normally play to play, and play what I like. The twisting backstories sometimes dont get put together in my mind... i think its mostly becuase I play so infrequently that I cant recall all the details over the length that I will play, or start to play a game series.

I am really excited for this however. It seems like it could be really interesting to see what they could do.. i personally wish it was more of 2.5 D or whatever you will call it. I really liked on WarioWorld worked out. Probably against those pure metroid fans, but I think it would be cool.

[KingBroly]

As a Metroid fan, this is something I've wanted to see from it for a long time. The Metroid franchise is probably the only Nintendo franchise with a coherent storyline (Zelda lol, Mario wut?), and while the backstory was mentioned in some Manga a while ago, not too many people know about it.

What also makes me excited for it is that they put this game at the end of the Conference, telling me they seem now like they finally want to push Metroid as one of their big titles, kinda like Zelda with Twilight Princess's announcement all those years ago.

[Cao Cao]

IGN posted their own interview with Yoshio Sakamoto:
http://wii.ign.com/articles/991/991793p1.html

IGN: We're all huge Metroid fans. We loved Super Metroid and Metroid Prime. So we're really psyched that we're finally going to get some real back story on Samus. How much in terms of story and cinematics can we expect?

Yoshio Sakamoto: One thing I need to explain is that I was really not that involved directly in the development of the Metroid Prime series. What I was involved in was the development of the initial NES Metroid, the GBA Metroid, Super Metroid and then finally Metroid Fusion. And within that timeline, the Other M story will take place between Super Metroid and the Fusion stories. What I hope to achieve with Other M is answer those questions -- you know, who is Samus? What is her background? Who are the characters that made her what she is? All these questions and more will be answered. I could tell you a little more about the details of what you might expect, but I don't want to ruin it for you so I'll just leave it at that.
IGN: [Laughing] We guess that answers it then. Okay, we have to ask about Metroid Dread. It popped up on an internal Nintendo release list awhile back and we haven't heard anything about it since.

Yoshio Sakamoto: This is quite awhile ago. A few E3s back. I can only say right now that this is Other M, it is not Metroid Dread. But as a concept the Metroid Dread idea does still exist within my mind so maybe sometime in the future I will be able to bring that to you.

IGN: Are you burned out on the prospect of doing another 2D Metroid, or does the possibility still excite you, maybe for WiiWare or DSiWare, if nothing else?

Yoshio Sakamoto: It's not as though my team or myself have grown tired of creating 2D games, but I think it's all what the concept is, what the game design is, and what best suits that whether it's on the Wii or DS. So moving forward, if an idea comes up that is best suited for DS then we'll pursue that.

[FallMoon]

Shortly after the game's debut, I had the opportunity to speak with Other M's creators, Metroid co-creator Yoshio Sakamoto and Team Ninja head Yusuke Hayashi about their goals with this latest chapter in bounty hunter Samus Aran's story. In 30 minutes' time, my feelings on Other M shifted from ambivalent to ardent. Though much remains to be seen of Other M, it's clear that Sakamoto and Hayashi are working to ensure this adventure lives up to their fans' expectations.

1UP: If somebody had told me twenty years ago that Metroid and Ninja Gaiden would be teaming up, I don't think I would have believed it. How did you guys decide to get together to create Metroid: Other M?

Yoshio Sakamoto: My team is actually part of the handheld Metroid side...separate from Metroid Prime (http://www.1up.com/do/search?term=metroid+prime). So, when the Wii came out, it was my desire to create a Metroid game for this new console. But our roots were in the handheld -- more of the 2D realm. When we were thinking of different concepts and ideas that we could make into reality with this new Metroid, we realized that we didn't actually have the know-how to produce something that was 3D.



It wasn't that I didn't think my team was up to the challenge, I just wanted to find the perfect partner to help make that a reality. So after consulting with Nintendo, I decided to approach Tecmo and Team Ninja with that proposal. I'm very grateful that Team Ninja accepted. I'll let Mr. Hayashi continue with the story.


Yusuke Hayashi: Team Ninja has always tried to push the limits of the 3D action genre -- tried to make the ultimate experience for the player. When Mr. Sakamoto approached Team Ninja and me, we saw it as a new challenge that we'd like to take on. We felt it was a natural progression and definitely a challenge, but something we'd like to take on and something that would be beneficial for everyone. That's why I decided to accept the proposal.
Also, on the Team Ninja side, there are a lot of Metroid fans!

1UP: When I think of the two series, they seem very different. Metroid is very slow, methodical, exploratory, while Ninja Gaiden is very fast, violent, and action-oriented. How do you reconcile those two and create something that takes advantage of your strengths, but still feels like a Metroid game?

YH: We want to try and take the best of both. As you progress through the game, there will be more action-oriented, faster-paced sequences. But then you'll have your careful, exploratory parts of the story as well. We actually used it to our advantage to try and marry the two concepts together.

YS: When I brought the proposal to Team Ninja, I had no idea what their response would be. As we progressed through development, of course there were differences of opinion, but we were able to work through those and ultimately create something that's better than either of us could have expected. It's been a really collaborative, creative process, and I feel that the result is something that's very positive.

[FallMoon]

1UP: What most people love about Metroid is that it offers a huge, open world. It's non-linear, there's so much to explore, and you can move about at your own pace. Is that something you're going to be retaining for this game, or is it going to be more of a linear, level by level progression?

YS: If you think about this one as being maybe similar to Metroid Fusion, then I think you'll have an idea of how the story will play out. It's still linear in the sense that there's a progression, but there are side areas that players can go into. It will retain that true, Metroid feel.



1UP: Team Ninja is known for their cinematics and storytelling. Is that something that will factor in heavily?

YS: As I mentioned before, it's kind of similar to Fusion in that there's an overarching story that the player will experience as they progress through the game. It is a game, but within it is a larger story that will unfold as the player progresses.


1UP: So is this being positioned as a spinoff game? Or is it really the next game in the series -- Metroid 5?

YS: It's part of the flow, storywise, between Super Metroid and Fusion.

1UP: When I saw the trailer this morning, I knew it was Metroid as soon as I heard, "Any objections, Lady?" which I recognized from Fusion. Will Other M delve into Fusion's backstory and Samus's relationship with Adam?

YS: Yes, it will reveal a little of Samus' backstory and also what happened between Super Metroid and Fusion. In Fusion, Adam was no longer there, so it'll explain what happened.

1UP: There was another character who seemed to be a...bounty hunter, maybe? Can you talk about his role?
YS: He's a Galactic Federation Soldier. He's one of Adam's soldiers.

1UP: The Metroid series chronology has become pretty long and complicated with the Prime games and the games you've created directly. Are you taking into account all the titles that have come before, or are you sticking to the story that you, as R&D1, have developed?

YS: Actually, the Prime games are just one incident within the greater story that I've worked on personally. It's not as if I was really thinking about how the Prime games fit into the sequence because, they were just one incident. But Other M will be more part of the R&D1 produced games. Maybe in "grand scheme" it would be around...3.5.
1UP: Ah okay, Super Metroid And A Half. What is the "Other M" in the subtitle?

YS: Other M has several meanings. As the story unfolds, those meanings should gradually reveal themselves.

1UP: I noticed that at the end of the trailer there appeared to be another Samus. What role does she play?

YS: She's not actually a second Samus, but she's a very, very important character within the game.

1UP: Ninja Gaiden has a reputation for being extremely difficult, and while Metroid has been difficult, it doesn't pride itself on breaking players. Do you intend it to create a challenging Metroid, or will you go easy on us?

YH: Our goal isn't to make something that will break players. It's for Metroid fans and new players alike, so we're not taking the same approach as with Ninja Gaiden.

1UP: Mr. Sakamoto, you've mentioned a few times that your expertise and experience lie with handhelds. So, why is this a Wii game? Will we see a more traditional Metroid on DS or a future handheld system at some point?

YS: Each platform has different things to offer to the player. And because this game is being developed for the Wii, it offers things that cannot be done on the DS. I can't say whether there will or won't be a portable title, but, if we were to create something for a handheld system, it would definitely include features that couldn't be done in Other M, and vice versa.

1UP: Thank you very much for your time.
(Everyone moves to leave, but Sakamoto signals for us all to sit again.)

YS: We have three companies collaborating on this game; a team we've dubbed Project M. With Nintendo, Team Ninja, and another company that's focusing on the cinematics working together, we've broken down the walls that define each company and joined forces to form a separate entity. It's unlike anything that's ever been done at Nintendo; It's more than just a collaborative effort -- it's one group working toward a common goal.

1UP: I'd like to thank Fallmoon for uploading this interview to Cheapassgamer.

[Strell]

after watching the trailer 88 times, i found something. if you watch closely enough. Right at the beginning of the trailer when the action takes place i noticed that this is going to be the best fucking game ever

Lmfao.

[FallMoon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsn6i9RnEiM


1:54, the missile count reads 3/25. Either I'm paranoid about it, or that's a possible release date.

I mean, don't you just find it weird that they decided to show the HUD during the year it's going to be released?

[CoffeeEdge]

1:54, the missile count reads 3/25. Either I'm paranoid about it, or that's a possible release date.

March 2025? D:

Just kidding of course. Really, though, good catch, but I wouldn't bank on it too much. I can imagine they'd have an exact calendar date already.

[pete5883]

Nintendo doesn't release games on Thursdays.

[The Crotch]

Wait. What the fuck happened while I was gone?

[FallMoon]

Oh, nothing but a possible release date for Metroid: Other M. But if it's true that Nintendo doesn't release games on Thursdays, then I'm confused.

[Cao Cao]

Wait. What the fuck happened while I was gone?

E3 happened.
Nintendo topic (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226000) (Trailers for first party titles (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5921688&postcount=529))

Here's a quick run-down of notable games for the short term, I probably missed naming a few (I was a bit lazy after June):
May - LoZ: Majora's Mask (VC), Bubble Bobble Plus! (WW), Punch-Out!!, Boom Blox Bash Party
June - Wiiware: FFIV: The After Years, Swords & Soldiers, Eduardo the Samurai Toaster, Cave Story(?).
Retail: The Conduit, Tiger Woods 10 w/ Wii MotionPlus, Let's Tap, Real Heroes: Firefighter (?) (Developed by CAG roland13x's studio), Anno: Dawn of Discovery.
July - Tales of Monkey Island (WW), Little King's Story, Wii Sports Resort
August - Phantom Brave, Metroid Prime Trilogy

[pete5883]

Kotaku's headline: Nintendo: Other M Will be A "Metroid Unlike Anything Ever Experienced Before"

Joystiq's headline: Reggie: Metroid Other M is a 'more traditional' Metroid game

So, it will be just like the old games, and also completely different from them. :whee:

[FallMoon]

Maybe the developers aren't thinking of Retro's games, and are saying it will be like the old games, but something will be a lot different. Reggie is probably comparing it to the Retro games.

[pete5883]

I understand. It's just funny.

[Cao Cao]

No footage yet, but Nintendo posted some new screenshots on the official site:
Heh Heh, Remember him?
http://media.nintendo.com/nintendo/bin/nbtBBgkBL28DF_sDQvo2YbRnckN504wE/xf_1unD_UvANHBSy_-YK2XYqqmj9lXct.jpg (http://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/of7lcEBQyssh5y_pITalCVd4mAutD4Yq#images)

* Metroid™: Other M, the incredible new Metroid game developed for Wii through a collaboration by Nintendo and the world-renowned Team Ninja, launches June 27. The game looks at the classic franchise from a new perspective: While much of the game is reminiscent of 2-D side-scrollers, players can switch the perspective into 3-D at any time as they explore the twisting passages of a derelict space station and delve deep into a cinematic, never-before-told story of bounty hunter Samus Aran’s past. This new approach uses a new control scheme in which players use the Wii Remote™ controller held sideways to battle enemies and navigate the expansive, gorgeous environments in classic Metroid fashion, then aim at the screen with the Wii Remote pointer to blast foes in first-person and hunt the world for clues and hidden passages.

[Gourd]

I can't help being wary of this game. I'm just not a fan of Ninja Gaiden difficulty, and somehow even with the interview specifically addressing this point, I'm not convinced that they will resist making it a slog.

[Broken Scout]

I think the ability to switch between 2D and 3D perspectives is a great middle ground for old-school fans and those new to the series/who were introduced through the Prime games like myself.

I just hope its not as clunky as Super Paper Mario handled it, but from the sounds of it, you can switch views anytime and you're not limited by area/time/surroundings.

Summer is going to be so awesome.

[icedrake523]

Can't wait for this. While I wasn't really introduced to Metroid until Prime, I never got into it and much prefer the 2D versions.

However, I think I might hold off on this until a B2G1. I have a list of like 19 games I want to get that just goes to Sept (Epic Mickey).

[wjhard63]

I just hope its not as clunky as Super Paper Mario handled it, but from the sounds of it, you can switch views anytime and you're not limited by area/time/surroundings.

Dammit! Beat me to it. It sounds like Super Paper Mario: Samus Edition. That said, I was very skeptical when I first heard the Metroid series was heading away from 2-D with the Primes and wasn't sold on the First Person Adventure control scheme until I actually played it, but now I consider the Prime Trilogy to be some of the best games I've ever played, so I'll hold my tongue until I've played through it.

Team Ninja and Nintendo, please make the actual gameplay as cool as that E3 2009 trailer made it seem.

Love,

A Metroid Superfan

[Josh5890]

You know what would make my day, Nintendo announcing the Metroid Other M would be released in an purple case, kinda like the red case in NSMBW.

[johnnypark]

I've gotta try to plow through MP Trilogy in time for this. I've never finished MP2 and never even started 3.

[Strell]

You know what would make my day, Nintendo announcing the Metroid Other M would be released in an purple case, kinda like the red case in NSMBW.

Maybe they could buy up Halo 3 Legendary stock and repaint the helmets. They'd have to make them a little more hardcore and less BMX racer though.

[icedrake523]

A collector's edition with a Samus helmet? That'd be awesome :pray:

[Strell]

Impressions are up at IGN (http://wii.ign.com/articles/107/1071925p1.html), now that the embargo is up.

This is all you need to know:

I'm glad that the introduction irons out exactly where this sits in the Metroid canon: it's a "sequel" to Super Metroid.

I am not even joking - this is the best gaming news I've heard in years, short of "Mother 4 is in development, along with Mothers 5, 6, 7, 8, 9...."

Now, whether it lives up to that shall be seen, but holy fuck. The sheer thought of a Super Metroid sequel. Arguably my second or third favorite game of all time, and easily the best action game I've ever played. You people have whined about 2D Metroid for the last three console iterations? Shut the hell up. Your whining is my prayer, and my prayer has been answered.

[kurrptsenate]

team ninja did AMAZING on the first NG. If they are working on this, I would expect nothing but gold.

I love everything metroid and was the ONLY reason I bought a Wii. This will probably force me to sweep the cobwebs from my unused system

[pete5883]

Now, whether it lives up to that shall be seen, but holy fuck. The sheer thought of a Super Metroid sequel.
It's already out, it's called Shadow Complex.

[Strell]

It's already out, it's called Shadow Complex.

I know you're being serious, and this is what is so hilarious about what you are saying.

[KingBroly]

It's already out, it's called Shadow Complex.

This is either the funniest joke I've ever seen or the worst troll in the history of mankind.

Shadow Complex sucks

[pete5883]

I feel so bad for you guys.

[Kaoz]

Shadow Complex was good, but would have been a lot better without the 3d environments. Where you would have to fight with the controls to shoot in the direction the enemy is in.

I also remember the controls being a little bit clunky, hopefully the controls get improved a bit if the game gets a sequel.

[Ryuukishi]

Screenshots look great! Love Samus' short haired look. I'm a little wary of the 2D/3D mechanic, but playing Metroid on the sideways Wiimote sounds like a treat.

[Strell]

I feel so bad for you guys.

Trust me, it cannot match how bad I feel for you. It's like someone calling me up and telling me Taco Bell has amazing Mexican food, and then shaking their head when I tell them that they are crazy.

[crunchewy]

I have to admit that I have never really played any Metroid games, at least not for very long. I tried one of the GBA ones and hated it. Too many "find the invisible path" moments for my taste. I did play Metroid Prime on the Gamecube for maybe 15 minutes, but never bothered to play further. I'd be more interested in that in the upgraded controls Wii version, but I haven't quite bothered to get that either, and now it's out of print. That Other M is 2D will probably make this my first real Metroid game. Then again, I'm sure I should get Super Metroid on the VC and play that now. Ok, Ok. I think I'll finally give this series a try, so that will be my first real Metroid.

EDIT: I tried the Shadow Complex demo and couldn't see what the fuss was about. I didn't care for it. I do understand that the full game is better, or at least that's what people say, but I often find that not to be the case, in fact the opposite. Case in point: 'Splosion Man, a game that I liked in the demo, but once I got the full game... I didn't manage to get out of world 1 before stopping playing it. In fact I thought maybe there was no world 2 and that was some annoying little joke. I come to find there is a world 2 and 3 and that's an even bigger joke, I think.

[kurrptsenate]

if you had a problem with the "invisible path" in the GBA version, the original nintendo version is about 10X worse. super nintendo one was much easier in that regard

[foltzie]

if you had a problem with the "invisible path" in the GBA version, the original nintendo version is about 10X worse. super nintendo one was much easier in that regard

I always thought the huge pit in the first one never got the hate it deserved.

[flameofdoom666]

It's already out, it's called Shadow Complex.

Unfortunately, it's not.

Shadow Complex is just an immitator, not the real deal. WITH THAT SAID, I really enjoyed it- but more of an appitizer until the wait ends for the next Metroid/Castlevania.

Castlevania can stand shoulder to shoulder with Metroid though, IMO.

[flameofdoom666]

I always thought the huge pit in the first one never got the hate it deserved.

That pit was the worst. I played the original Metroid when I was 5-6 (I am 22 now), and I remember how frustrating it was! UGH!

[flameofdoom666]

I have to admit that I have never really played any Metroid games, at least not for very long. I tried one of the GBA ones and hated it. Too many "find the invisible path" moments for my taste. I did play Metroid Prime on the Gamecube for maybe 15 minutes, but never bothered to play further. I'd be more interested in that in the upgraded controls Wii version, but I haven't quite bothered to get that either, and now it's out of print. That Other M is 2D will probably make this my first real Metroid game. Then again, I'm sure I should get Super Metroid on the VC and play that now. Ok, Ok. I think I'll finally give this series a try, so that will be my first real Metroid.

EDIT: I tried the Shadow Complex demo and couldn't see what the fuss was about. I didn't care for it. I do understand that the full game is better, or at least that's what people say, but I often find that not to be the case, in fact the opposite. Case in point: 'Splosion Man, a game that I liked in the demo, but once I got the full game... I didn't manage to get out of world 1 before stopping playing it. In fact I thought maybe there was no world 2 and that was some annoying little joke. I come to find there is a world 2 and 3 and that's an even bigger joke, I think.

Super Metroid is probally the single best example of cohesive game design in a game. A masterpeice to say the least.

[MasterSun1]

Shadow Complex was good, but it can't live up to Metroid. Part of the lure of Metroid is the sci-fi, alien setting, unlike S.Complex which had a military/not so distant future setting. I thought it was pretty "sterile" from a setting standpoint.

[Interstella 5555]

I'm definitely looking forward to this game. Here's another game impression (http://www.giantbomb.com/news/metroid-other-m-hands-on-no-nunchuks-allowed/1887/) from giantbomb if your interested.

[62t]

saw this at another site

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/9/2010/02/9470c50be3ed9b604572829f11533e40/original.jpg

[KingBroly]

I don't think that's really a fair comparison since it's the Power Suit versus the Varia Suit.

[Ryuukishi]

Wow, until I saw that pic, I had no idea that the Wii was not much more graphically powerful than the GameCube. Totally breaking news. Not at all something that's been hashed out over and over again for the last three years.

[Lone_Prodigy]

To be fair, the GC screen is a cutscene.

[KingBroly]

The GC screen is still in-game, though.

Also, leaked screenshots are very, very nice.

[Jasonofindy]

Why all the hate for Shadow Complex? Sure the story wasn't great, but mechanically and structurally the game was excellent. I would be thrilled if Metroid: Other M turns out as well as Shadow Complex. Currently, I'm cautiously optimistic based on what has been described. I loved the old Metroids,the GBA versions, and the original Metroid Prime. Prime 2 was ok, but the light/dark mechanic kind of ruined it for me. I didn't finish Prime 3 because I really disliked the controls.

I can honestly say that I was hoping that Konami & Nintendo were watching the success of Shadow Complex, and we would receive new 2D Castlevania & Metroid games via WiiWare, Live, or PSN (the latter two only applicable to Castlevania). I'm sick of 2D castlevania and metroid being stick on handhelds. It was okay when they were GBA and I could use the GC Gameboy player, but with no way to play DS games using a full size controller & monitor the banishment to handhelds has made me sad.

[flameofdoom666]

I don't think that's really a fair comparison since it's the Power Suit versus the Varia Suit.

Both are the Varia suit, no?

Rounded shoulders = Varia?

[Ryuukishi]

Varia = additional orange armor plating on top of the basic yellow Power Suit.

[SpazX]

Glad to know the graphics thing is never going to go away.

And IMO, shadow complex was good, I really liked it (though the 3D shooting wasn't really that great), but it was no metroid.

[Corvin]

Why all the hate for Shadow Complex?

You're in a Nintendo tread praising a MS game. :D

[Strell]

Wow. If this was as good as Shadow Complex, it would be the worst in the series by far, unless we found out there was some super secret CD-I game from 1993 or something where Samus was poorly animated by the drunkards that did the Zelda titles from that era. She'd need a really bad catchphrase too. Like when a Metroid attacked her, she'd say "This sure suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks!"

SC is clearly inspired. But the controls were not nearly as fluid, the story was horrible, there weren't nearly enough bosses/minibosses, few enemy types, and the world was not nearly as seamless. I'd go into how the aiming mechanic and usage of foreground objects needlessly complicated the gameplay, but I'm guessing teh hardkorz would whine about that.

I did like punching people across the whole screen. I never got tired of that, and elected to not use guns after a while because I found that part so funny.

[pete5883]

SC is clearly inspired. But the controls were not nearly as fluid, the story was horrible, there weren't nearly enough bosses/minibosses, few enemy types, and the world was not nearly as seamless. I'd go into how the aiming mechanic and usage of foreground objects needlessly complicated the gameplay, but I'm guessing teh hardkorz would whine about that.

I did like punching people across the whole screen. I never got tired of that, and elected to not use guns after a while because I found that part so funny.
Yeah, I guess it's been so long since a real Metroid that I've forgotten. I thought the 3D aiming was fun though, even though it was a little tougher to do than it should've been. But story? Really? It was barely there, and no one plays Metroidvanias for story.

[Strell]

I don't want to get into it any more than I have to, but you had Orson Scott Card listed as the writer. Ender's Game is great stuff (and I even enjoyed Speaker for the Dead, and for those playing at home and keeping score, The Dig), so I was hoping for at least the semblance of a good narrative.

Instead, I get this hilariously bad opening, with a girl taking a dood on a hike that she met in a bar the night before, at a public place infested with technology and military doods, and I'm supposed to agree that somehow this is the best choice for a covert operation. Then it just fumbles into a generic evil underground corporation bent on taking over. I mean there has to be deus ex machina at play here, sure, so this army doesn't waste the girl immediately or send their entire forces after NathanDrakeAsNotNathanDrake, but come on.

They should have stripped all that out and just let me run around blowing shit up in a base. Get the girl at the end, because that's my only motivation, and skip all the nonsense in the middle. Remove it entirely and it feels better than some vestigial hangnail digging into my cuticle.

You're not playing Metroid for story, no. I'll agree to that. And the first two are practically devoid of it. But Super Metroid and on has had an incredible amount of narrative. It was not explicitly stated for the most part, but scanning enemies in the Prime games could tell you history galore. Sequences in Super Metroid dripped with atmosphere and powerful communication.

Walking in and grabbing the morph ball in Super Metroid, and those sensors immediately begin to follow you around? Still gives me chills - they know you're there. THAT is brilliant storytelling, and without the use of dialogue or cut scenes even.

Whether or not Other M is going to pull this off in a way that doesn't sound like cheesy anime is up in the air. But now we're just getting off point.

[Jasonofindy]

You're in a Nintendo tread praising a MS game. :D

It shouldn't matter what forum this is in. Why should it matter whether the game is on a Nintendo, MS, or Sony platform? In any case I didn't bring Shadow Complex up, I just inquired into why it garnered so much hate in this thread when someone brought it up earlier. I then went on to state that I thought its success could be a plus for those like me who like the 2D Metroid/Castlevania games.

As always, Strell is welcome to his opinion about the game. I agree with him about the weak story, but completely disagree with him about the gameplay. From the reviews it looks like I'm not alone. Personally, I liked the 2D/3D element, the controls, and the level design in Shadow Complex. I like Metroid for the exploration, not the combat so the lack of minibosses in Shadow Complex also didn't bother me. I do find it a little sad that Strell has to label any who disagree with him as " teh hardkorz" (whatever the hell that is supposed to mean). I came into this thread originally to state I was cautiously optimistic about Metroid: Other M, and I still am.

[Cao Cao]

Someone brought a camcorder into the demo room, and put the opening cutscene on Youtube:
(SPOILER WARNING: Ending of Super Metroid)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFmzH52YrCk

[KingBroly]

It should say Spoiler Warning: Beginning of Other M

[icedrake523]

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/1551/metroidowned.gif

[Gourd]

... Yeah, the video of that fight sequence is making me think this game will be more Gaiden and less Metroid.

I'm not saying that is a bad thing. I'm just thinking that like God of War, or Ninja Gaiden, or Bayonetta, I'll probably just watch someone else play it, rather than play it myself.

[Kaoz]

(SPOILER WARNING: Ending of Super Metroid)


Appreciate that, I actually missed out on Super Metroid, will likely be playing it after I wrap up Shadow of the Colossus.

[KingBroly]

There's a new trailer out. It has no gameplay. The voice acting seems better than what was shown.

[laaj]

Idea of switching between 2D and 3D is really bumming me out. Constantly scanning for stuff annoyed the hell out of me on the Prime series and now this.

[KingBroly]

Who says you'll have to scan? Besides, I liked scanning things.

[Ryukahn]

There's a new trailer out. It has no gameplay. The voice acting seems better than what was shown.

I watched that trailer. I think they mistook the voice acting though, and instead put on Arod the video game. I was young and naive!!!! ;)

[flameofdoom666]

Since the Metroid Prime Trilogy got a special edition (metal case in particular), do you think that Metroid Other M and Super Mario Galaxy 2 have a chance to be treated the same way? I am thinking no... but I hope I am wrong...

[PiP]

Im getting so excited for this version, go team ninja :)

[icedrake523]

Since the Metroid Prime Trilogy got a special edition (metal case in particular), do you think that Metroid Other M and Super Mario Galaxy 2 have a chance to be treated the same way? I am thinking no... but I hope I am wrong...

They never do it for stand alone games.

[Friend of Sonic]

They could always start.

And there is a slight precedence for this, with all of the gold colored Zelda carts and everything.

[KingBroly]

This would've been HORRIBLE:

http://kotaku.com/5491158/metroid-other-m-might-have-been-on+rails-if-not-for-team-ninja


Yoshio Sakamoto, the Metroid co-creator and WarioWare producer, says that his latest game, Metroid: Other M, was originally planned to be an on-rails adventure. If that sounds like Metroid sacrilege to you, thank co-developer Team Ninja for changing Sakamoto's mind.

Sakamoto said at his Game Developers Conference session "From Metroid to Tomodachi Collection to WarioWare: Different Approaches for Different Audiences" that there was one design decision he was "unable to budge on" during the development of Metroid: Other M. The Wii game would be controlled only with the Wii Remote.

"I thought Samus should move along a set path," Sakamoto said. "That's right. Samus would be moving along a rail, as long as the camera angle was capable of keeping up with the action." That's a fairly substantial change for a game known for its open-ended exploration.

When Team Ninja chimed in on Other M's control scheme, staffers suggested using the Nunchuk as well. Sakamoto wouldn't budge.

"They understood my reason immediately," he said, so"they proposed a full 3D map, where Samus could move to other points with the control pad." When the time came for Sakamoto to test Team Ninja's proposed control scheme, "It was perfect."

We'll all be able to test out Team Ninja and Nintendo's control compromise when Metroid: Other M ships for the Wii this June.

[Friend of Sonic]

o.O

[Grantimus]

From today's GDC lecture by Sakamoto, brought to you by gonintendo (http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=116936):

"As most of you know, there was a Metroid presentation at GDC 2010. We all thought there would be some Other M talk, and it looks like there was. Apparently, a new video was shown...or at least, a partially new video.


The video starts right at the end of Super Metroid where the giant Metroid grabs the last boss, complete with 2D sprites. In the middle the graphics suddenly switch and show the scene in 3D and Samus’ perspective. In 3D, the one eyed boss spews fire, the giant Metroid explodes, Samus falls to the ground, faces the player, and shoots.

The video I saw at the Nintendo media summit dealt with the giant Metroid and the final boss, but there was nothing like this 2D sprite to 3D graphics switch. Looks like someone at Nintendo has been doing some editing!"


Man, I really want to see this video! :D

[Cao Cao]

This would've been HORRIBLE:

http://kotaku.com/5491158/metroid-other-m-might-have-been-on+rails-if-not-for-team-ninja

Actually, as pointed out on GAF, it's not as bad as it sounds, since a lot of folks are mis-interpreting Sakamoto's words.* From the sound of it, the original design for Other M was for it to be a 2.5D side-scroller, sort of like Klonoa. Of course, Team Ninja had something else in mind and were able to convince Sakamoto to agree to a compromise.

*No thanks to Mcwhertor's bad headline and exploration comment, which makes it sound like it would be a rail shooter.

[KingBroly]

Yeah, I read that. But I still don't think I like the concept of Klonoa Metroid.

[foltzie]

Yeah, I read that. But I still don't think I like the concept of Klonoa Metroid.

Sounds like Metroid Fusion.

[KingBroly]

METROIDGASM!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrAWYvUG8N8

[Friend of Sonic]

That video offficially makes me anticipate this game.

[Strell]

Trailer made me ruin the Samus panties I'm wearing that I bought from Sears a few weeks ago.

Oh well, I got several backup pairs.

[flameofdoom666]

METROIDGASM!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrAWYvUG8N8

:whee::whee::whee:

[xycury]

so it's 3rd person 1st person hybrid fps/action/adventure?

that video makes it so much more than saying ^ out loud.

[Interstella 5555]

The prime games were great, but this is the metroid game I've been waiting for.

[judyjudyjudy]

Wow, looks awesome. Samus' boobs are looking a little big, otherwise it looks like they're staying true to the series. I will have to show this to my husband and blow his mind.

[icedrake523]

The prime games were great, but this is the metroid game I've been waiting for.

Agreed. I didn't get into Prime 1. I have the collection but haven't gotten to playing it (hoping the Wii controls make it more enjoyable). But this looks awesome. Like Super Metroid on a modern console. I was going to save this for a B2G1 just because I have a big back log, but not anymore. Day 1 purchase.

[Kaoz]

Agreed. I didn't get into Prime 1. I have the collection but haven't gotten to playing it (hoping the Wii controls make it more enjoyable). But this looks awesome. Like Super Metroid on a modern console. I was going to save this for a B2G1 just because I have a big back log, but not anymore. Day 1 purchase.


The controls made all the difference for me, give it a try =P

I am tempted to pick this game up, if Amazon throws out a giftcard for it like they did Mario I may just have to get it. Metroid games seem like one of the few that do drop in price from Nintendo .... Prime 3 did anyway, Trilogy didn't stay alive long enough to.

[KingBroly]

The only problem I had with the Prime games (GC & Wii versions) was the beam switching to open doors. In older Metroid titles, when you open a door once, it becomes blue for the rest of the game. Sure, they were missile/super missile/power bomb doors in those games, but it kept things moving in the late game.

Also, the running and gunning looks awesome.

[icedrake523]

The controls made all the difference for me, give it a try =P
I plan on it. I just haven't gotten around to it with 8 other games still sealed. Plus I leave my Wii at home.

I am tempted to pick this game up, if Amazon throws out a giftcard for it like they did Mario I may just have to get it. Metroid games seem like one of the few that do drop in price from Nintendo .... Prime 3 did anyway, Trilogy didn't stay alive long enough to.
I'll be using my $20 GC from SMG2 on this; credit or no credit. $80 for it and SMG2 is pretty good.

[Lone_Prodigy]

Wow I was a little uncertain after hearing about the switching between 3rd-person and 1st-person (plus no moving in 1st-person), but that trailer sold me.

What does the voice say at the end?

[KingBroly]

"Mother. Time to Go!"

[Cheska19]

That trailer just sold me. WOW. Looks fantastic, very impressive for a Wii game.

[KingBroly]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20533229&postcount=567

Could it be? If it isn't it's some distant cousin.

[Javery]

Trailer looks good. I can't help but think that every Wii game that looks interesting would be so much better with HD graphics. I know graphics don't make a game but still...

[Seventh]

I just saw the game play trailer and I am officially sold. I liked the fps style to an extent in the recent Metroid games, but this is definitely an ode to old school Metroid which I am all about.

[foltzie]

I shall be the contrarian, I'm still not sold in the sense I dont quite understand how the controls will work. I assume a shot at a demo or in store kiosk will sell me, but right now it almost seems more like a Classic Castlevania game instead of a branching Metroid world.

[xycury]

I shall be the contrarian, I'm still not sold in the sense I dont quite understand how the controls will work. I assume a shot at a demo or in store kiosk will sell me, but right now it almost seems more like a Classic Castlevania game instead of a branching Metroid world.


?

It's the wiimote... not like a dualshock. What part didn't you get from the video?

[The Crotch]

Am I the only one getting a sort of a Killer 7 vibe from this game now?

[flameofdoom666]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20533229&postcount=567

Could it be? If it isn't it's some distant cousin.

Phantoon!!!

[foltzie]

?

It's the wiimote... not like a dualshock. What part didn't you get from the video?

How the transitions along the third (or 2.5) dimension work.

[icedrake523]

You go from holding it sideways to pointing it at the screen.

[Strell]

I think foltzie is talking about moving Samus around. I need to rewatch the trailer, but at some point, she's kind of in this murky bog swamp place, and it appears that she goes from running -> FPS visor -> running, only after the visor, she seems to change paths.

I could be wrong though.

[xycury]

How the transitions along the third (or 2.5) dimension work.


I would guess that the sensor bar, or wiimote picked up the single?

and from the video I would guess too that moving in FPS Visor mode isn't possible since there was NO movement while in that mode.

So it would be 3rd person metroidvania to 1st Rail Shooter.

I still have an open question on targeting in 3rd person, if it's automatic or if there is a lock on button. Certainly the video didn't show it to be that difficult to do.

[KingBroly]

The Japanese Gameplay trailer. There's a few things here not in the American version (and vice versa).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xIS1mSxmS4

A couple of things

- We might be fighting Mother Brain here. Or at least doing something in that scene
- Shows the end of Super Metroid escape scene? Maybe we'll replay it.

[foltzie]

I think foltzie is talking about moving Samus around. I need to rewatch the trailer, but at some point, she's kind of in this murky bog swamp place, and it appears that she goes from running -> FPS visor -> running, only after the visor, she seems to change paths.

I could be wrong though.

Strell is, of course, correct. I'm referring to how the 2.5dish changes occur while in Wiimote sideways mode.

What I'm seeing in the trailer, looks more like Super Castlevania 4 than any previous Metroid. If true, this isnt necessarily bad, just different.

[PiP]

This better not be like a God of War ripoff, I hope it is in 2D mostly with 3D added in somewhere. I want to see more because I am highly interested.

Defiantly a day 1 for me.

God of war ripoff, i think you need to check metroids history to gow gameing history mate, unless your 12 year old that is.

[The Crotch]

I don't think he's saying that Metroid is a God of War ripoff.

He's saying that he's worried that the new incarnation of Metroid will be a God of War ripoff.

[xycury]

Strell is, of course, correct. I'm referring to how the 2.5dish changes occur while in Wiimote sideways mode.

What I'm seeing in the trailer, looks more like Super Castlevania 4 than any previous Metroid. If true, this isnt necessarily bad, just different.

Ah that part.

I just figured they were timed events that force you to First Person.

And it seems like it might be the case for that in the game.

[Strell]

No, it's like Super Paper Mario. When you point the Wiimote at the screen, it goes into first person mode. There might be timed/forced/scripted events, but you should be able to aim at any time.

[Monsta Mack]

Ok that was fucking amazing.

Damn my budget to hell!

[icedrake523]

Do you have a link?

[KingBroly]

It is my sad duty to report that you look at the title. It's all you need to know.

I'm going to go cry myself to sleep now.

Oh, and Sin & Punishment 2 now comes out on 6/27 in place of Metroid. This are torturing me on purpose.

EDIT:
Discussion link here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=393450

Also, going to bestbuy.com will show S&P2 now coming out on 6/27 with Metroid at a tentative date of 8/15

Walmart says 9/1: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Metroid-Other-M-Wii-Wii/13246825

[KingBroly]

Yeah, so there are the links. I don't know why post isn't registering though.

[Friend of Sonic]

Whoooooooooa booooooo

This is bizarre, I was totally not seeing a delay on this title. I would think they would disappoint me on delaying Mario Galaxy 2 before they pushed this back. Ah, well.

[The Crotch]

This works for me.

Greatly.

[pete5883]

I'm kind of surprised the schedule was the way it was. Putting out 3 big games in < a 5 week span, something was going to get overlooked.

[icedrake523]

Works for me, too. I can use my $20 credit from SMG2 on 3D Dot Heroes and my $10 credit from Crackdown 2 on Other M.

[Lions]

Maybe they are re-vamping the controls. A lot of people weren't too big on it.

[icedrake523]

Considering it's only 2 months before it's planned release, I don't find that likely. They probably want to space out their releases. 3 games in 5 weeks is almost overkill.

[Lone_Prodigy]

Call me skeptical, but unless I see something a little more official than a post on GAF I'm calling BS.

[KingBroly]

I agree, but Best Buy and Wal-Mart have changed their release dates for it as well.

[Cao Cao]

Call me skeptical, but unless I see something a little more official than a post on GAF I'm calling BS.

Both Best Buy and Wal-Mart changed their release dates at around the time this was posted. Though it is far from a confirmation, it does imply strongly that Nintendo sent out a notice to retailers about the games' delay.

There is also the question of how ready Other M was for the June release, since all of the press demos for it so far have been closed door/no recording-allowed events, which seems to hint that Team Ninja still has some things to work out before it is up to their expectations. It is also possible they wanted to use E3 and later press events to give people a more comprehensive impression of the game, since many journalists were talking about how the demo was too short to form a reasonable judgment.

[KingBroly]

The demo at the press event was 45 minutes or so. So I don't see how they thought it was short.

[flameofdoom666]

I want this game when it is ready. Whenever that may be.

[KingBroly]

Confirmation of delay until August 31: http://www.gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=121481

[soonersfan60]

That's a bad day to release a game with school starting...

[Lone_Prodigy]

Well that's a bummer. Corruption and Trilogy released in August too.

This still leaves the door open to a late 2010/early 2011 Zelda release...

[Jasonofindy]

Well that's a bummer. Corruption and Trilogy released in August too.

This still leaves the door open to a late 2010/early 2011 Zelda release...


Definitely a bummer. I was hoping that the summer clustering of Metroid and Mario meant they would have Zelda ready for a big holiday release. I guess that might still happen. I can honestly say that this is the first Nintendo E3 I've really been anticipating in awhile because I really wanted to see what they had in store for Zelda.

[KingBroly]

Pre-Order Bonus: 16-cards in an art folio

Not much to say there.

[thelonepig]

Pre-Order Bonus: 16-cards in an art folio

Not much to say there.

Is it exclusive to certain retailers?

[Nirron]

It's only showing up on Gamestop.com right now. I seriously hope this isn't exclusive. I already used some promo credit on it at Amazon, and don't feel like paying $20 more just for some cards.

[Stainless Alloy]

I just pre-ordered my copy. I wish it would come out sooner. I just got accepted to a university this fall, hard decision to make now. Metroid was the main reason I got a wii.

[Lone_Prodigy]

Pre-Order Bonus: 16-cards in an art folio

Not much to say there.

Pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease let GS/EB Canada get enough of these for all pre-orders. I still want my MPTrilogy poster (and something else?)

[KingBroly]

All I know right now is that it's Gamestop offering it. I'm guessing it's exclusive to them, but what happens between then and now remains to be seen.

I already pre-ordered it when they announced the June 27th release date, so I'm all set.

[utopianmachine]

You know, I don't go for Metroid, but after watching the Metroid: Other M trailer at E3, I have to say I may actually play this one. Looks really good.

[KingBroly]

E3 2010 Gameplay Trailer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUiYlTl0FMQ

[flameofdoom666]

That E3 trailer is amazing.

Metroid is going to be fantastic, as is Zelda, DK, Kirby and Kid Icarus.

[iRent]

That E3 trailer is amazing.

Metroid is going to be fantastic, as is Zelda, DK, Kirby and Kid Icarus.

If Metroid was as dark as Dead Space I would scared shit less, especially with that music.

[Josh5890]

The more I see of this game, the more stoked I get. That E3 trailer was awsome.

[Lone_Prodigy]

Must get through the Prime Trilogy before Aug. 31!

[KingBroly]

Here's a link to a video interview/discussion with Sakamoto:
http://e3.nintendo.com/interviews/#/?v=interview_sakamoto_metroid

Dude clearly did not think highly of the Metroid Prime Trilogy.

[Mr. 420]

I don't think to highly of that trailer. Hopefully the game is going to be delayed a year or 2.

[KingBroly]

I don't think to highly of that trailer. Hopefully the game is going to be delayed a year or 2.

WHAT MADNESS IS THIS!? Dost thou want a boot in thy face?

[icedrake523]

Here's a link to a video interview/discussion with Sakamoto:
http://e3.nintendo.com/interviews/#/?v=interview_sakamoto_metroid

Dude clearly did not think highly of the Metroid Prime Trilogy.

What makes you think that?

[Strell]

WHAT MADNESS IS THIS!? Dost thou want a boot in thy face?

Don't mind him. He's the slidecage of trolls.stay tuned for the part where he calls me a tranny

[jaredstorm]

I have now entered the bone zone.

[KingBroly]

What makes you think that?

Well he says the last console Metroid made was Super Metroid.

[flameofdoom666]

Well he says the last console Metroid made was Super Metroid.

He was only talking about the games his team made (Metroid, Metroid II, Super Metroid, Metroid Fusion). Though in a different interview, someone asked him what he though of the four prime games (Prime, Hunters, Prime 2, Prime 3)- and he said that it was another take on the Metroid universe. Honestly though, unless Other M contradicts things, in my eyes the Prime games are part of the canon.

What the hell has he been doing since Fusion?!

[KingBroly]

Thinking a way to move the series past Fusion. They really haven't been able to figure a way past that.

- No more Metroids, well, besides Samus technically
- Samus is a fugitive from the law

I would've always assumed that the final parts in Zero Mission could've been a great thing to incorporate in a post-Fusion Metroid game. That section was pretty well made IMO.

[ViewtifulJeff]

The way I've seen Sakamoto talk about the Prime Trilogy, I always assumed he saw it in a "yeah it's okay for what it is but it's not the true Metroid that we make" kinda way. Which is a bummer, 'cause I was really looking forward to some Prime stuff (Luminoth, Sylux, CRAZY PIRATE DATA) in Other M.

As for where to take the series after Fusion, there's always the chance that the Galactic Feds made some more Metroids somewhere besides BSL, isn't there? Or, hell, somebody captures Samus within the first hour of gameplay, takes some of her blood, and synthesizes new Metroids from that. This series' science is about as soft as you can get, so there's no shortage of ways to bring the little bastards back as long as Samus is still kicking.

[KingBroly]

There's one easy way to extend the Metroid series past Fusion that EVERYONE constantly overlooks. It's easy to see how it can happen once you realize that point.

That point is Samus IS a Metroid

[Dogenzaka]

I'm really excited for this.
I know some people don't like the game so far because of the fact that you play 3D with the d-pad, and the auto-lock-on, and stuff, but the game seems to be built around those design choices, and to me it looks great.

The lock-on mechanics only work when you're facing in the general direction (and with only 8-directions of movement on the d-pad, it's kind of necessary otherwise shooting would be very inaccurate) and they seem to make the game feel very fun and fast-paced.

I look forward to clever environmental/puzzle mechanics with having to switch between first and third-person.

I wasn't looking forward to the cutscenes that much, but after seeing their quality and the opening sequence to the game, it looks spectacular.

I'm excited to play, once again, as a fast, third-person Samus.

[M-PG71C]

I'm also excited for it, this seems more of what I envisioned Metroid was going to be like all those years ago before Prime was showed off. I can't wait to play it lol!

[sirerosennin]

I've enjoyed all of the 2d and 3d Metroid games that I've played so I'm sure this one won't disappoint!

[Sir_Fragalot]

This is looking pretty good. I just hope the world design is more freeroaming like super metroid, than a game like prime. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed the prime games, but by like midway through part 3, it got old (since I bet the first two). Also I hope there is limited scanning of objects in this game.

Either way, I am going to have to buy this, I have bought and completed a version of every metroid game except for II (and I need to finish prime 3) and well I wish I could have bought II back then but oh well.

[KingBroly]

Honestly, it doesn't look like there's any object "scanning" as there is object "identifying". Scanning enemies in the Prime series is a nice touch and sometimes rewards you with an easier fight. Also, you should really finish Corruption before too long.

[KingBroly]

An Interview (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/reinventing-metroid-interview?page=1) with Sakamoto and Hayashi

[Strell]

Just as a heads up: People have been reporting in the Target clearance thread that the Trilogy set is going on clearance at various Targets (....as the name of that thread would imply). First drop puts it at $34.98. I'd say that's your best bet for a new copy at this point. You can try holding out for the magical 50% off but I'd imagine it would be long gone before then.

[flameofdoom666]

Just as a heads up: People have been reporting in the Target clearance thread that the Trilogy set is going on clearance at various Targets (....as the name of that thread would imply). First drop puts it at $34.98. I'd say that's your best bet for a new copy at this point. You can try holding out for the magical 50% off but I'd imagine it would be long gone before then.

The prices are rising.. I may just bite at $50 for it at my local Target. I need me some steelbook.

[KingBroly]

Just as a heads up: People have been reporting in the Target clearance thread that the Trilogy set is going on clearance at various Targets (....as the name of that thread would imply). First drop puts it at $34.98. I'd say that's your best bet for a new copy at this point. You can try holding out for the magical 50% off but I'd imagine it would be long gone before then.

Do I dare pickup a sealed copy to have in mint condition forever?

Also, does anyone remember another English CG trailer being released besides the ones in the OP? I can't find a link to it, and it'd be appreciated if it could be found.

[KingBroly]

There are a couple of new trailers that were added to the OP. Also, newer trailers are now higher up.

[seanr1221]

I got my Trilogy used from Gamestop. Consequently, it didn't come with the slip cover :(

Anyway, I preordered the game from Amazon :) Can't wait, I love Metroid.

[KingBroly]

If you loved Metroid, you would've found Nintendo's shipping routes like I did.

Er...I...uh...mean, you'd be getting Day 1 shipping and get it on release day like me.

Yeah.

[seanr1221]

If you loved Metroid, you would've found Nintendo's shipping routes like I did.

Er...I...uh...mean, you'd be getting Day 1 shipping and get it on release day like me.

Yeah.

What?

I got it from Amazon, I am getting day 1 shipping but that doesn't matter anyway because I'm on vacation until September 3rd.

[KingBroly]

http://metroid-database.com/?p=newsarch&id=329

Some more gameplay impressions. One thing that sticks in my head as worrysome is the last remark.

[seanr1221]

One missile per expansion? :(

[KingBroly]

You probably don't need them that much. Plus, you can do that "Concentration" technique to recharge them.

Game Videos has about 4 or 5 new videos from Comic Con. I'm not looking at them, though. I must be kept pure. Also I hear a lot of people think the VA for Samus fits her pretty well.

[seanr1221]

Those videos are great, you're missing out ;)

[KingBroly]

Don't tempt me, man. Don't tempt me.

[Ryukahn]

Also I hear a lot of people think the VA for Samus fits her pretty well.

This is excellent news and was one of my biggest concerns about the game.

[KingBroly]

This is excellent news and was one of my biggest concerns about the game.

They said it fits, it doesn't mean the writing's good.

[Ryukahn]

They said it fits, it doesn't mean the writing's good.

Well, I have played several games lately with absolutely terrible writing/VAs, so anything at least decent is probably going to be a nice change of pace for me lol.

[KingBroly]

Added a link to the footage from Comic Con to the OP.

[jaredstorm]

So stoked for this game. Anyone know what the length of the game will be?

[foltzie]

So stoked for this game. Anyone know what the length of the game will be?

Well the width will be 120mm.

[M-PG71C]

Well, pre-ordered it on Amazon, I want to play it and getting $20 bucks back is useful anyway so no complaints lol :D

[jaredstorm]

Well the width will be 120mm.

Good I was hoping as such.

I keep hearing that the controls are bad. Then people on boards say the controls are fluid.

[Jasonofindy]

Good I was hoping as such.

I keep hearing that the controls are bad. Then people on boards say the controls are fluid.

I think that is because controls are pretty subjective and influenced heavily by personal preference. I thought Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 used the Wii controls pretty well, but personally thought the Metroid Prime 3 controls were poor and a step backwards for the series. However, I know there are people out there that prefer the Prime 3 controls and think Galaxy controls are too loose.

Hell, there are even people out there that defended the laggy control system of killzone 2 and people who defend the craptacular floaty jump physics in LittleBigPlanet.

From what I have read in articles, I'm cautiously optimistic about the Other M controls.

[KingBroly]

I'd like to bring up a Super Mario 64 DS analogy if I may. Super Mario 64 DS was ported without an analog stick in mind and thus the controls suffered. This game is being made with the d-pad in mind. There is a world of difference between the two.

[io]

I'd like to bring up a Super Mario 64 DS analogy if I may. Super Mario 64 DS was ported without an analog stick in mind and thus the controls suffered. This game is being made with the d-pad in mind. There is a world of difference between the two.

Wait, d-pad, what? I preordered this long ago without knowing anything about it because I had those $30 trade-in promo coupons from Amazon last Fall that I had to use by the end of the year and this was one if the long term things I could preorder. When they came up with the $20 credit on top of that I figured I might as well keep it, but now I think I better read up on this game. I absolutely despise using the D-pad for anything beyond menu selection type stuff (and maybe weapon switching, etc - stuff not used frequently in any case). It's why I dislike NES/SNES type games (and pretty much anything console-related from that time period - I played computer games during that time).

I guess I thought this was going to be more Metroid Prime-like but it appears not. Oh well, too bad... And yeah, I never played the 2D Metroids, so sue me... I guess when I have time I'll watch a video or something ;).

[seanr1221]

You've never played Super Metroid? Do yourself a favor and go download it off the VC.

[foltzie]

Wait, d-pad, what? I preordered this long ago without knowing anything about it because I had those $30 trade-in promo coupons from Amazon last Fall that I had to use by the end of the year and this was one if the long term things I could preorder. When they came up with the $20 credit on top of that I figured I might as well keep it, but now I think I better read up on this game. I absolutely despise using the D-pad for anything beyond menu selection type stuff (and maybe weapon switching, etc - stuff not used frequently in any case). It's why I dislike NES/SNES type games (and pretty much anything console-related from that time period - I played computer games during that time).

I guess I thought this was going to be more Metroid Prime-like but it appears not. Oh well, too bad... And yeah, I never played the 2D Metroids, so sue me... I guess when I have time I'll watch a video or something ;).

Mock Mock Mock, poke the moderator. Have you never played a platformer?

This seems like it will use something like the Paper Mario scheme. NES style controls for your basic movement, but Wiimote Pointing/Analog shooting when needed/wanted.

[KingBroly]

Mock Mock Mock, poke the moderator. Have you never played a platformer?

This seems like it will use something like the Paper Mario scheme. NES style controls for your basic movement, but Wiimote Pointing/Analog shooting when needed/wanted.

He got you guys good

I wish I could Metroid-ify my Avatar.

[Cao Cao]

Japanese story trailer. As the trailer name implies, quite a few spoilers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRMBerJtJjM

[Strell]

I wish I could Metroid-ify my Avatar.

This sounds like a challenge.

[KingBroly]

This sounds like a challenge.

Could be.

I'm going to add a link to that trailer in the OP even though it's not in English.

I also put in a link to Stephen Totilo's impressions at Kotaku. Read the whole thing.

[seanr1221]

The Kotaku impressions had me worried until I realized it's Kotaku.

"I hated the controls! Is this the end of good Metroid games!?!"

*go to end of article*

"I got used to the controls!"

[KingBroly]

I don't see why people are so negative on the controls when

A - They haven't played it
B - Metroid Prime had awkward controls

[jaredstorm]

I don't see why people are so negative on the controls when

A - They haven't played it
B - Metroid Prime had awkward controls

Exactly. People complained about Prime before it came out too. So I don't think listening to those people is a smart idea. Just go with your gut, and mine tells me this is gonna be amaze!

[KingBroly]

I'm going in with a pre-set notion of how to play the game. I usually do this with a lot of games, including a lot of Wii games. I basically look at it like Metroid Zero Mission with a little bit of Super Paper Mario. I still don't understand the whole "Concentration" mechanic, but I guess it won't be that hard.

[jaredstorm]

Check this new video out showing off Samus' new abilities/weapons.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/gt-pop-block-metroid-other/702358

[KingBroly]

I thought Nintendo was going to market this game well. They're not off to a good start.

http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/thumb_tumblr_l6cu61hjPy1qzp9weo1_400.jpg

[thelonepig]

The September issue of Nintendo Power just arrived. It's wrapped in cellophane and comes with an Other M double-sided poster. Not much on the inside of the mag about the game though...

[jaredstorm]

is the poster AWESOME?

[thelonepig]

Judge for yourself. :)


http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee68/thelonepig/IMG_0296.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee68/thelonepig/IMG_0297.jpg

[bjstucker]

That is on my wall right now as I start the prime trilogy

[KingBroly]

Is that poster subscriber exclusive?

[bjstucker]

Is that poster subscriber exclusive?

I can't confirm as I have not seen the issue on newstands yet

[jaredstorm]

Judge for yourself. :)


http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee68/thelonepig/IMG_0296.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee68/thelonepig/IMG_0297.jpg

:shock:

I'm gonna go buy the Nintendo Power September issue just for that deliciousness! haha

[M-PG71C]

Wow, if that poster is not subscriber exclusive, I'll have to go find that magazine. Somewhere, I never have good luck on finding an issue of Nintendo Power around here. :P

Anyway, about thirty days till launch! Who pre-ordered and where? I got mine at Amazon because I wanted the extra $20 bucks, the stuff at GameStop didn't appeal to me.

[bjstucker]

been on the fence about picking it up on Amazon but seeing as it has 20$ credit I am prob not going to do any better so I might just keep it sealed for a couple weeks till I finish Prime Trilogy.

[thelonepig]

I preordered from Gamestop back with the 25% off code and a giftcard. As much as I'd like the $20 Amazon credit, I'm just going to stick with the GS order and get the postcard book or whatever freebie it is that they're giving out.

[TheLongshot]

Wow, if that poster is not subscriber exclusive, I'll have to go find that magazine. Somewhere, I never have good luck on finding an issue of Nintendo Power around here. :P

I would guess it isn't, since the August edition comes with a SMG2 poster. Not doublesided like the Metroid poster, but still nice.

[KingBroly]

Must.Get.Poster.

[jaredstorm]

Preordered from Amazon.
Hopefully my guy at GS will give me the freebies. He usually does with leftover's. :D
Must.Get.Poster.

[KingBroly]

Intend to Buy Metroid Other M @ Club Nintendo (https://club.nintendo.com/intend-to-purchase-register.do?productCode=R3OE)

YOU. GO LINK NAO!

[sainrub]

Judge for yourself. :)




I received my issue today! Wanted to check this thread first to see if my homeboys posted a shot of the poster before I ripped it open. Thanks thelonepig!


I love the portrait side of the poster, so awesome!

[Rig]

I'm actually a fan of the poster too. (Got my issue in the mail a couple days ago.)

[KingBroly]

I added links to all the impressions to the OP finally.

[jaredstorm]

Sweet! I just got my Other M poster yesterday. I'm loving it, I think I'm gonna get it framed.

[flameofdoom666]

I would guess it isn't, since the August edition comes with a SMG2 poster. Not doublesided like the Metroid poster, but still nice.

My Auguest issue never came, wtf. I just got the September issue. What can I do about this?

[jaredstorm]

My Auguest issue never came, wtf. I just got the September issue. What can I do about this?

The September issue is the issue that came with the Other M poster.

[Cao Cao]

The English Iwata Asks is out:
http://us.wii.com/iwata_asks/metroid-other-m/vol1_page1.jsp

[jaredstorm]

Cao Cao, I was just about to post this, haha.

That interview is such a great read!

[jaredstorm]

Top 5 things IGN loves about Other M (http://wii.ign.com/articles/111/1111851p1.html)

[KingBroly]

I got a September copy of Nintendo Power today. It came with the poster, so that means it's not a subscriber exclusive.

Also, that was added to the OP.

[jaredstorm]

/\

Yah, I got an issue too. Glad the poster isn't subscriber exclusive.

Anyway, here's a video of people's thoughts whilst playing the game: IGN AU's Taste Test. (http://wii.ign.com/dor/objects/14354733/metroid-other-m/videos/IGNAU_tastetest_metroid_otherm.html?show=hi)

[KingBroly]

I don't think I'm going to post many more news items unless it's a review/horrible news about the game.

[jaredstorm]

Did anyone just see that new trailer on GT TV? Mmm.

[KingBroly]

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-action-metroid-other/702846

No, but I saw that. I don't know how to embed Gametrailers videos on CAG though.

[icedrake523]

Just about beat Super Metroid in preparation of Other M. I have it on the Virtual Console but played it on an SNES this time. I missed 1 missile tank on my VC file and saved at the point before Mother Brain. I was so pissed off I couldn't go back to get it.