PSP Go! preorders online at amazon

[momshotdad]

i preordered mine this morning for $249.99 with free shipping. they had both colors (black and white) and were available for shipping october 1st. i have been looking for preorders all over the internet and this is the only place i can find them.
PSP Go - Black (http://www.amazon.com/PSP-Go-Black-Sony/dp/B002BSC55M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1245723093&sr=8-1)
PSP Go - White (http://www.amazon.com/PSP-Go-White-Sony/dp/B002CZ756I/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1245723093&sr=8-2)

[rdogg1026]

And how is this a deal?

[momshotdad]

more of an update...sorry man...and free shipping on the psp go...

[rdogg1026]

more of an update...sorry man...and free shipping on the psp go...

Update of what?

[lunker]

Update of what?

Are you employed by CAG or something? This is the second thread today I've seen you post and complain about where people put their threads. Put the forum police badge down and just let people read things, man. Threads about preorders going live have been fairly common, and I know a number of people were wondering when Amazon was going to set them.

[bvharris]

I still think this is way overpriced, not really tempted for a moment.

[rdogg1026]

Are you employed by CAG or something? This is the second thread today I've seen you post and complain about where people put their threads. Put the forum police badge down and just let people read things, man. Threads about preorders going live have been fairly common, and I know a number of people were wondering when Amazon was going to set them.


That is no way to speak to an officer.

[mtxbass1]

Are you employed by CAG or something? This is the second thread today I've seen you post and complain about where people put their threads. Put the forum police badge down and just let people read things, man. Threads about preorders going live have been fairly common, and I know a number of people were wondering when Amazon was going to set them.

I concur. Rdogg1026, I don't know why suddenly you feel the need to become a backseat mod, but you aren't one and stop trying to act like it. You have been called out about it multiple times from people over the last week to tone it down.

[newlu]

Are you employed by CAG or something? This is the second thread today I've seen you post and complain about where people put their threads. Put the forum police badge down and just let people read things, man. Threads about preorders going live have been fairly common, and I know a number of people were wondering when Amazon was going to set them.
Was about to post the same thing...:applause:

[rdogg1026]

Uh oh...I've been figured out...

[MrNEWZ]

Thanks OP. Was looking for pre-order information. I'm on the fence about it, but we shall see.

[Capitalizt]

I'll stick with the 3000 thanks..bigger screen and physical media. There won't be any used Buy 2 get 1 sales of digital media at Gamestop will there?

[darken]

Thanks OP. I was wondering when pre-orders start

[Serpentor]

It has been embedded in the Amazon games trade-in thread... basically, trade-in $75 worth of games and you'll $75 bonus toward console purchases. I did the "deal" and pre-ordered the white PSP Go for $100 ($150 off).

[Revolution]

i Wonder if $75 trade in credit towards consoles counts for this preorder

[Apostle22]

I'm seriously on the fence on this.....That screen might be to damn small

[NovaKane]

Don't know if I want one yet, but thanks for the heads up OP.

[zedarkness]

MIGHT be intrested in this

[pimpster4183]

Any video game system where you can't resell or trade in the video games you've bought is a no go for me. I'll stick with my 2000 series.

[Chozen]

All-digital = no sale.

[musha666]

Haha DaBoss got taken to school.

Thanks for the update. Next time include a link so the lazy people (myself) can just click.

Paying more for a PSP than an XBox 360 costs is kind of crazy though. I may just wait to see if they pull an Apple and drop $100 off it in a few months after release.

[Zimmy]

Yeah, the $249 price, I get it.
Now what is the price for the UMD-less model?
That has got to be alot cheaper, right?
RIGHT???

[PuertoRock33]

I never understood the concept of preordering something that is going to be widely available everywhere. Like preordering "X" game that you can walk into the store the day it comes out and there is a million copies of it....

[HaLLuZiNaTiOnZ]

I never understood the concept of preordering something that is going to be widely available everywhere. Like preordering "X" game that you can walk into the store the day it comes out and there is a million copies of it....

Some stores sell out of a game, or if no intrest is show for the game the store doesn't even bother stocking it.(GS) I once went in and asked for PW: Apollo Justice and they only had 1 store copy since nobody pre-ordered but 1 guy that worked there.

Systems usually do sell out first day. I don't know about redesigns, never bothered with them on release day.

Or everybody has that 1 game they were eagerly waiting for, but it was sold out everywhere because they didn't pre-order. So they had to pay extra for shipping at Amazon. :cry:

[hhhdx4]

Paying 100 dollars more for a product that does less than its predecessor its obviously a deal.

Current PSP owners realize you will have the same functionality to download software as PSP go owners, right? And you get to keep your UMD games.

[silks]

Yeah, but it's SO SMALL.

<squeals with glee and pinches its cheeks>

[Justin42]

I never understood the concept of preordering something that is going to be widely available everywhere. Like preordering "X" game that you can walk into the store the day it comes out and there is a million copies of it....

Games, yes, they're usually a waste to pre-order unless they're some small niche title. Systems however, CAN have limited quantities, although given the economy and such I doubt a $250 refresh of the PSP will exactly be flying off store shelves.

Yet another case of digital distribution saving the customer money!! -- oh, wait...

[harshdiddy]

I still don't know if I want a psp go. Seems like you won't be able to get good deals on games...

[Truekilla93]

OP = Epic Fail

[nflsonic]

Meh, I do like the design of the PSP Go!, but I won't put any money down unless Sony addresses those that already own many games on UMD that can somehow transfer them over to the system. Until that is addressed and a drop in price to something that's actually reasonable, I'll maybe consider.

But I suspect PSP2 will be announced by then!

[bsesb2003]

Thie needs to hit the magic $200 dollar mark -- $250 seems high IMHO.

[carn311]

Of sony does this right and prices games corectly (ie steam) then I may consider a purchase or even a large memory stick for my 3000.

[Nibi]

I used the amazon trade-in promo and preordered a pearl white one.

[berzirk]

Paying 100 dollars more for a product that does less than its predecessor its obviously a deal.

Current PSP owners realize you will have the same functionality to download software as PSP go owners, right? And you get to keep your UMD games.

Bingo. This is a marginal deal at $150, at the list price of $250, Sony can blow me and swallow the evidence.

[newlu]

tempting..but my 2000 has been rock solid since day 1.

[TyPe-ZeRo]

I was originally going to buy the PSP Go! But after each new article discussing it's features, I broke down and bought a PSP last week from Dell.com (thanks to CAG) for $121.xx shipped.

I bought 32GB (16GBx2) and a PhotoFast CR-5400 so I can put it in my PSP and never have to worry about memory again.

The Go has a smaller screen, same battery life, and forced digital downloads, in a packaged design that I could care less about. I said "Screw it!" and bought a PSP now. Kinda happy I did -- for cheaper and with the ability to still use UMDs, bigger screen, and the ability to pop in a Sony PSP Stamina battery for twice as much life.

Funnily enough I did just that.

PSP (Piano Black), 32GB (2x 16GB MicroSDHC), PSP Stamina 2200mAh (vs. the standard 1200mAh).

Awesome. Though i'm not knocking on the people who still want a PSP Go! That's cool but i'd rather have a PSP now haha

[carn311]

Where are you guys getting the memory sticks? Any good prices out there?

[Vegan]

Yeah, but it's SO SMALL.

<squeals with glee and pinches its cheeks>

Which means cramped hands, unless you're a dwarf or something.

[Noogums]

what kinda name is psp go! anyway? not that psp-2000, or 3000 is any better...but go! ? stupid...wheres it gonna go? is it telling ME to go? Cuz ill be right up in its face if its takin that tone with me after i just spent 250 bones on it.

i do not like the digital downloads either...not that i pay for my psp games any way ;)

[Tom Ato]

There's not ever going to be a PSP-go only game is there? Everything you can download you can still download on the older models right?

[willardhaven]

This thing will be the N-Gage part 2.

[Despacio]

The screen is smaller and there is less hardware inside since it doesn't have to spin a disk. So why does Sony make this more expensive than the current PSP? And it's not as if their is updated specs inside, the current PSP and this run the same games. Sony continues to overprice their hardware.

Anyhow a true cag resells their games or trades them in, this machine will encourage no such thing since their will be no physical media. You buy a crappy game, and your stuck with it, forever. No thanks.

[TC]

Appreciate the heads up, but it's too rich for me.

[bvharris]

Anyhow a true cag resells their games or trades them in, this machine will encourage no such thing since their will be no physical media. You buy a crappy game, and your stuck with it, forever. No thanks.

Hey now, there are plenty of CAGs who never trade in a game, including myself. I haven't gotten rid of a single game in 10 years, the "cheap ass" in my gamer comes from trying to find low prices to get my shelf-filling fix.

Ironically, this type of CAG should also agree with you about the PSPGo, considering it won't let us collect pretty game cases. And we already have all these shelves!!

[sokari]

The screen is smaller and there is less hardware inside since it doesn't have to spin a disk. So why does Sony make this more expensive than the current PSP? And it's not as if their is updated specs inside, the current PSP and this run the same games. Sony continues to overprice their hardware.

Because it's new. Even if the specs are similar, the concept is different -a new innovation. We can argue semantics on how "innovative" it is but the price has already been set.

Anyhow a true cag resells their games or trades them in, this machine will encourage no such thing since their will be no physical media. You buy a crappy game, and your stuck with it, forever. No thanks.

There are pros and cons to both media. If the physical copy breaks, you're stuck with an oddly-shaped paperweight, forever. With a digital medium, you have unlimited backups, but you'll require internet access to actually download them. And if the game is rather size-heavy, that may take an awfully long amount of time (if you're impatient anyways), not to mention the memory sticks needed to store more games (regarding PSPs in general).

Also, while trading in games may benefit consumers and used-games dealers, the practice hurts publishers, developers, and the developer of the console itself (and all other middle-men). As such, I don't see why they (Sony) would wish to particularly induce ("encourage") consumers to trade in games.

On topic. Anyone else holding out for a second generation of the Go! before biting? I still feel screwed over (maybe not so much) once the 2000s rolled out and saw how much better they were. But I really do like the portability of this one...

[bvharris]

There are pros and cons to both media. If the physical copy breaks, you're stuck with an oddly-shaped paperweight, forever. With a digital medium, you have unlimited backups, but you'll require internet access to actually download them. And if the game is rather size-heavy, that may take an awfully long amount of time (if you're impatient anyways), not to mention the memory sticks needed to store more games (regarding PSPs in general).

Also, while trading in games may benefit consumers and used-games dealers, the practice hurts publishers, developers, and the developer of the console itself (and all other middle-men). As such, I don't see why they (Sony) would wish to particularly induce ("encourage") consumers to trade in games.

On topic. Anyone else holding out for a second generation of the Go! before biting? I still feel screwed over (maybe not so much) once the 2000s rolled out and saw how much better they were. But I really do like the portability of this one...

I know I'll sound like a curmudgeon here, but I'm holding out on buying ANY hardware which requires digital distribution until there is no other option. I'm well aware its the "future", but I like having disc-based games, so as long as that remains a viable option I'm going to take it.

[sokari]

Hey now, there are plenty of CAGs who never trade in a game, including myself. I haven't gotten rid of a single game in 10 years, the "cheap ass" in my gamer comes from trying to find low prices to get my shelf-filling fix.

Ironically, this type of CAG should also agree with you about the PSPGo, considering it won't let us collect pretty game cases. And we already have all these shelves!!

Hah.... exactly the same as my own ideology. Well, sans the shelves -I use a cabinet and a closet for lesser played games and my rather large desktop-table for those I play more often.

And yeah... I'd much rather have a casing with my games.

I know I'll sound like a curmudgeon here, but I'm holding out on buying ANY hardware which requires digital distribution until there is no other option. I'm well aware its the "future", but I like having disc-based games, so as long as that remains a viable option I'm going to take it.

Guess I took too long to post the above... but the response still works!

[unknownbrackets]

There are pros and cons to both media. If the physical copy breaks, you're stuck with an oddly-shaped paperweight, forever. With a digital medium, you have unlimited backups, but you'll require internet access to actually download them. And if the game is rather size-heavy, that may take an awfully long amount of time (if you're impatient anyways), not to mention the memory sticks needed to store more games (regarding PSPs in general).

In the good old days, companies insured the discs. After all, the disc costs them a few cents, it's the data on it that you paid for. Case in point: media for Microsoft products is much cheaper than licenses for the same.

Here's the bigger problem: in ten years, will Sony care anymore about these old "PSP 1" ancient crusty releases? I bet not. I've seen so many things like this fade away, even from big companies... unless I can store them in some way (PSP you can, at least for now), it means they have an expiration date. I don't buy $50 cheese, I dunno about you.

Coincidentally, DRM has the same problem. I like old things, I go back and play NES games like Crystalis and Dragon Warrior that I still have the carts for. I'm glad they didn't have "BEST IF SOLD BY:" dates on them.

Also, while trading in games may benefit consumers and used-games dealers, the practice hurts publishers, developers, and the developer of the console itself (and all other middle-men). As such, I don't see why they (Sony) would wish to particularly induce ("encourage") consumers to trade in games.

Middle men are how my industry works (I am a developer.) If it weren't for middle men, your movies, music, games, and software would probably all cost 50% what they do now. The bad part is you'd probably never know they existed.

Some people are interested in used games only. These sales do not directly benefit the publishers, but they do put money into the pockets of people who buy new games, which in turn benefits the developers (assuming they make good games and not shovelware.) Worse, without used games, piracy may increase (instead of retail sales.)

Thus, the only people afraid of used game sales are people who make "regret ware", not people who make good games.

Trading is, however, completely useless and annoying to developers... unfortunately. Except for those who develop series based games, potentially.

On topic. Anyone else holding out for a second generation of the Go! before biting? I still feel screwed over (maybe not so much) once the 2000s rolled out and saw how much better they were. But I really do like the portability of this one...

I plan to wait a year. If the price has not lowered by then, I'm sure something else will be announced. One will definitely happen.

I think they're playing the game of "people who have to have the newest thing" with this price. You see it all the time with computer hardware - there, it can be half the price in 3-6 months.

-[Unknown]

[Despacio]

Hey now, there are plenty of CAGs who never trade in a game, including myself. I haven't gotten rid of a single game in 10 years, the "cheap ass" in my gamer comes from trying to find low prices to get my shelf-filling fix.

Ironically, this type of CAG should also agree with you about the PSPGo, considering it won't let us collect pretty game cases. And we already have all these shelves!!

Very true, very true. My apologies. So when you factor in CAG's who like to collect on the cheap, and CAG's who like to resell/trade-in to save a dime, then you have to conclude CAG is the last place your going to find fans of a digital media only piece of hardware.

As for the guy above who said your stuck with physical media if it breaks, well in my 18+years of gaming I have never had a game break on me. Even when my mom washed my SNES cartridge of NFL QB Club as a kid, the damn thing still worked. Although it did rattle, there was some rattling.

[Hoffer]

Well, I read that the PSP Go is more expensive so retailers can get better margins on it. The big fact in the past is the margins on consoles are very low, but retailers sell them because they also sell the games. If they aren't selling the games, they aren't going to want to sell low margin consoles either. So, Sony is giving more money to retailers for selling the consoles.

So, we get to pay more money for retailers. Plus, the games we buy, we can't sell back even though we'll have to pay the same for them. Then since there isn't a used market, there isn't as much pressure for the new(download) copies to drop in price as fast.

Gaming might not be as cheap assed in the near future.

[matthewhsh2002]

anyone know if they'll come out with a bundle?

[bvharris]

anyone know if they'll come out with a bundle?

What would they bundle it with? Hatred?

In all seriousness, probably.

[gomikeoh]

http://assets.knowyourmeme.com/i/2282/original/images_do_not_want-741689.jpg

[sokari]

Here's the bigger problem: in ten years, will Sony care anymore about these old "PSP 1" ancient crusty releases? I bet not. I've seen so many things like this fade away, even from big companies... unless I can store them in some way (PSP you can, at least for now), it means they have an expiration date. I don't buy $50 cheese, I dunno about you.

The same goes for previous games too, whatever the media; there exists a point of creation and a time period later on (in this case, ten years) when support drops. In both cases, you still have access to the games in one way or another -simply via different media. Assuming backups and the media are properly stored, in both cases you can still preserve these games and are available for as long as until they hit the "expiration date" (maybe you weren't implying this but I definitely see an implication by you that physical media do not have expiration dates) though they may differ in terms of lengths. Everything fades (even the cheese), but as I've said, in varying amounts of time (ie. regularly pasteurized versus ultra-pasteurized milk)

Coincidentally, DRM has the same problem. I like old things, I go back and play NES games like Crystalis and Dragon Warrior that I still have the carts for. I'm glad they didn't have "BEST IF SOLD BY:" dates on them.

I'm probably dense or confused by this. What would DRM have to do with "expiration dates" on storage media? Isn't DRM associated with distribution of media?


Middle men are how my industry works (I am a developer.) If it weren't for middle men, your movies, music, games, and software would probably all cost 50% what they do now. The bad part is you'd probably never know they existed.

FYI, I meant middle-men in terms of anything I couldn't list since it would go on indefinitely, ie. UMD manufacturing. I think you misunderstood that, since I didn't clarify.

Some people are interested in used games only. These sales do not directly benefit the publishers, but they do put money into the pockets of people who buy new games, which in turn benefits the developers (assuming they make good games and not shovelware.) Worse, without used games, piracy may increase (instead of retail sales.)

I can't vouch for the mentalities of all consumers out there but considering what I'd get for selling my games (assuming "regular" games, not some that are worth a load of cash, since I wouldn't be doing that), there's greater desire to purchase used games -instead of shelling out more money as well as take the loss of losing a game, or, ridiculously low-priced new games (without spending additional cash), which are probably shovelware. I don't have any qualms with the used-game industry practice, though it's practices that companies themselves employ that peeves me. Yeah, I know, they're businesses, but still, just my sentiments.

Thus, the only people afraid of used game sales are people who make "regret ware", not people who make good games.

Nope. There have been well-established businesses that are worried about this. Articles are available, but you'll have to search.

Trading is, however, completely useless and annoying to developers... unfortunately. Except for those who develop series based games, potentially.

Erm... two paragraphs above you've mentioned that developers are benefitted.

Some people are interested in used games only. These sales do not directly benefit the publishers, but they do put money into the pockets of people who buy new games, which in turn benefits the developersAre you using the practices of "selling used-games" and "trading games" interchangably in your wording?

I plan to wait a year. If the price has not lowered by then, I'm sure something else will be announced. One will definitely happen.

I think they're playing the game of "people who have to have the newest thing" with this price. You see it all the time with computer hardware - there, it can be half the price in 3-6 months.

-[Unknown]

Yeah seriously... I bought my PS3 less a year ago at ~$280 through that Sony Card offer during Thanksgiving (I think that was the promotional period). Though I do suppose it depends on if the console had anything at launch that an individual wanted so dearly that they'd put down full price for one... obviously I do not follow that case. Same case goes for the iPhone too, seeing how you can get one for a sixth of the price now. Even so, it's as you said; people will flock in droves over these things.

[argyle]

It has been embedded in the Amazon games trade-in thread... basically, trade-in $75 worth of games and you'll $75 bonus toward console purchases. I did the "deal" and pre-ordered the white PSP Go for $100 ($150 off).

Thank you - $100 is definitely my price. Traded in some stuff I won't miss, which I'll be mailing out tomorrow. My wife will get my psp 2000, so it will still be around if I need it for umd's. Win/win! :D

[Shadows916]

i still have my launch psp (the spiderman bundle) and my god of war edition. the idea of all digital dl on games is really killing it for me. way to go sony, take something decent and kill it.

[dualedge2]

Of sony does this right and prices games corectly (ie steam) then I may consider a purchase or even a large memory stick for my 3000.

This is really just an "update" of the current PSP. The graphics aren't going to be better in ANY way. The big changes are the design of the system and the ability to download games directly to it.

As for the digital games, I bet they'll be the same price they are now. Sony COULD make them cheaper, but this is Sony. When have they ever done that? Expect the usual $40+ for the games, even on their digital service.

As for the PSPGo itself, I get the feeling they'll do the same thing as Amazon. Once you get banned, say goodbye to all of your digital games and your PSPGo turns into an expensive paperweight. I highly suspect you have to connect to Sony's network to play the games, despite downloading them to the Go.

[sokari]

What would they bundle it with? Hatred?

In all seriousness, probably.

Oh I can just imagine them releasing 2343233 bundles with it. (Not all at once of course). First one? Gran Turismo. Maybe, assuming no "Surprise! Delayed!"s.

i still have my launch psp (the spiderman bundle) and my god of war edition. the idea of all digital dl on games is really killing it for me. way to go sony, take something decent and kill it.

When the heck did they announce that all games would be released via PSN? Sure as hell not going to happen anytime soon.

[rodeojones903]

I went ahead an got one with the amazon trade in deal. After hearing how much Shipwreck liked it I went and bit the bullet.

[SailorDaravon]

I was originally going to buy the PSP Go! But after each new article discussing it's features, I broke down and bought a PSP last week from Dell.com (thanks to CAG) for $121.xx shipped.

I bought 32GB (16GBx2) and a PhotoFast CR-5400 so I can put it in my PSP and never have to worry about memory again.

The Go has a smaller screen, same battery life, and forced digital downloads, in a packaged design that I could care less about. I said "Screw it!" and bought a PSP now. Kinda happy I did -- for cheaper and with the ability to still use UMDs, bigger screen, and the ability to pop in a Sony PSP Stamina battery for twice as much life.

Funnily enough I did just that.

PSP (Piano Black), 32GB (2x 16GB MicroSDHC), PSP Stamina 2200mAh (vs. the standard 1200mAh).

Awesome. Though i'm not knocking on the people who still want a PSP Go! That's cool but i'd rather have a PSP now haha

I completely agree, but where did you read that the battery life is the same on the Go? Last I heard the speculation was that the battery life would probably be much better on the Go since it's not having to spin a UMD. Just curious, I may pick up one of these a WAAAAAY down the line, but without some sort of confirmation I can rip my existing library + $250 (LOL) that's not happening anytime soon. I am tempted to upgrade from my 1000 to a 2000 though.

[Nathan_Sama]

eh, do not want.

[WilliamG]

I preordered a PSP Go. The only games I'm playing now are FF7 and Patapon 2, which are, gasp... downloadable only. UMDs are dead. You just need to face it. I can't stand the noise they make, or the load times, or how big they are etc etc. Bring on downloadable games.. Can't wait to have all my UMD games legitimately on my PSP Go....

[lilboo]

I like it, but, not $250

[unknownbrackets]

The same goes for previous games too, whatever the media; there exists a point of creation and a time period later on (in this case, ten years) when support drops.

True, but still. This means I have to go keep a library of cards. I don't even know exactly how the licensing DRM works either.

iPhone gaming is even scarier. It's not easy to get/install old iTunes versions, and you can't normally downgrade your OS (it's a lot of work.) I can easily see getting "locked out" of a purchase there - e.g. some app I bought that is 2.0 only.

With physical media, I have a physical system. I only play RPGs (offline ones), so it's easy for me to slug an older game in an older console (or newer if BC) and play it. There's no backup plan with digital.

I'm probably dense or confused by this. What would DRM have to do with "expiration dates" on storage media? Isn't DRM associated with distribution of media?

As a programmer, I know how DRM works. Many forms of DRM will require a periodic "call home" check.

Now suppose the call goes to "http://www.somepublisher.com/the-greatest-drm/call". But, one day, they "upgrade" their DRM system. That URL (or those ancient parameters the old call home used) aren't supported anymore - and, oops, your game dies next time it calls home.

This happens a lot in programming and on the web. Trust me, I know.

I can't vouch for the mentalities of all consumers out there but considering what I'd get for selling my games (assuming "regular" games, not some that are worth a load of cash, since I wouldn't be doing that), there's greater desire to purchase used games -instead of shelling out more money as well as take the loss of losing a game, or, ridiculously low-priced new games (without spending additional cash), which are probably shovelware. I don't have any qualms with the used-game industry practice, though it's practices that companies themselves employ that peeves me. Yeah, I know, they're businesses, but still, just my sentiments.

I think this is normal. But, here's a scenario:

You buy ($60) Dangeresque 20X6, expecting it to be great.
It's not your thing, and you want to sell it ($20.)

As much as the publisher does not have your $20 from that sale, they wouldn't have gotten $60 probably anyway. And, now you have $20 - maybe you'll spend it on another game they publish.

If you had no means to sell your game, that you did not wish to keep, you wouldn't have had that extra money to spend on games. And most likely, if you got store credit at GameStop, you'll end up spending more than you would have on some other new game direct from the publisher.


Nope. There have been well-established businesses that are worried about this. Articles are available, but you'll have to search.


I have seen many of these, but as yet I have not seen one from a company I actually care about games from. And so I say again, shovelware (everyone likes different things, though.)


Erm... two paragraphs above you've mentioned that developers are benefitted.

Used games = one person profits (cash/credit) from losing a game. Can be spent on new game.
Trading = no one profits, just a swap or some such.

That said, "third hand" used games aren't really beneficial anymore. Still, they put money into the "video games" market. That is always good for video game companies, no matter what.


Yeah seriously... I bought my PS3 less a year ago at ~$280 through that Sony Card offer during Thanksgiving (I think that was the promotional period).

Ugh, I got my PS3 before I heard of this site.... this site has saved me so much money.

Same case goes for the iPhone too, seeing how you can get one for a sixth of the price now.

I have a launch iPhone, though it cost my boss the money not me. Yeah. That said, I am really interested in the iPhone 3G S. Wish the PSP go had been like that.

-[Unknown]

[hhhdx4]

This is really just an "update" of the current PSP. The graphics aren't going to be better in ANY way. The big changes are the design of the system and the ability to download games directly to it.


The ability to download PSP games has been on the current gen of PSP's for about a year now.

[bobthegoat2001]

No thanks. I also like buying used, trading etc. I can aleady download games to my 2000 model anyway, even though I'm sure I won't. Memory sticks cost too much. I also don't like how the Go uses the new, smaller, more expensive memory sticks either. They should have stopped already with there memory sticks and use SD/microSD instead.

I also like the bigger screen of my 2000 and the ability to plug my PSP into my TV.

[opportunity777]

No thanks. I also like buying used, trading etc. I can aleady download games to my 2000 model anyway, even though I'm sure I won't. Memory sticks cost too much. I also don't like how the Go uses the new, smaller, more expensive memory sticks either. They should have stopped already with there memory sticks and use SD/microSD instead.

I also like the bigger screen of my 2000 and the ability to plug my PSP into my TV.

I'm not a fan of the Go, but it has TV-Out.

If you want PSP propa-Go-nda, then you can read various posts by J7. :roll:

[phantomer]

i expect floods of negative reviews based on its price alone

[ProtoEXE88]

I really want one, but I just can't see it doing well at this price, so I expect it to drop pretty soon after Christmas.

[skiizim]

I Pre-Ordered one!!! I'm one of those people that has to have it at lauch . But this technology is way to ahead of its time!!!! I don't like the fact that its digital but what can you do. I know sooner or later that's the way media is going to be.

[iNCREDiPiNOY]

Don't forget, Amazon.ca is much cheaper than Amazon.com

$249.00 CAD = $216.38 - PSP GO (White/Black)
+ $12.45 CAD = $10.81 - GST 5% Tax
+ $0.00 CAD = $0.00 - PST 0% Tax
-------------------------------------
$261.45 CAD = $227.03 USD Shipped

[bobthegoat2001]

I Pre-Ordered one!!! I'm one of those people that has to have it at lauch . But this technology is way to ahead of its time!!!! I don't like the fact that its digital but what can you do. I know sooner or later that's the way media is going to be.

What you can do is not buy it.

[bvharris]

This thing will be the N-Gage part 2.

At least the N-Gage was a phone.

[Serpentor]

Don't forget, Amazon.ca is much cheaper than Amazon.com

$249.00 CAD = $216.38 - PSP GO (White/Black)
+ $12.45 CAD = $10.81 - GST 5% Tax
+ $0.00 CAD = $0.00 - PST 0% Tax
-------------------------------------
$261.45 CAD = $227.03 USD Shipped


Wow, should have waited for this post :(

It saves you $20 or so and i don't have to ship it to my friend's address to save taxes (i'm in NY). But the drawback is that it's not domestic shipping, so $20 for some worries, not worth it, thanks for the info though, very insightful.

[s2k]

I wonder how hack-proof sony is intending to make the psp-go. After the 3000 I can only image the thing is like a mini fort knox.

[Galego23]

I'm not a fan of the Go, but it has TV-Out.

If you want PSP propa-Go-nda, then you can read various posts by J7. :roll:

Um, I'm pretty sure the PSP 3000 has TV-Out.

[arcane93]

When the heck did they announce that all games would be released via PSN? Sure as hell not going to happen anytime soon.

Um -- where do you think that games for the PSP Go, with its all-digital media, are going to come from? Of course they'll all be released via PSN, do you really think Sony is going to open up their control of distribution?

The real question is for how much longer they'll continue to make UMDs as well. Hopefully there's enough of an installed base of the older machines that they'll keep it up for a while, but since even the older machines can download to a memory stick, it probably won't last long.

[Serpentor]

Man, a lot of hates for the Go... Well, looking at the price and comparing to the PSP 2000/3000, definitely the Go is something to be hated. However, i need to throw few cents into the discussion.

First off: True CAGs don't buy digital versions Load of crap, what you mean is old school CAGs, believe it or not, the way of CAGs is changing. I've found more deals in game sharing thread than in the main DEAL section. Look at the trends my fellow CAGs... Pre-order bonuses are deals, free shipping and no taxes are deals, used games for cheap (B2G1 especially) are deals, $20 GC for buying new releases (TRU, rare) are deals and those YMMV deals. Whatever the deals maybe, the physical format is expensive. See, with game sharing, it's automatically 80% off (we're sticking to the PSN discussion here).

What i'm saying is, physical format deals are drying up, buying used is nice, but i gave up on the efforts to coordinate the timings and such to max out the GS's B2G1 free promotions. The time you put into doing those little things (sell/trade/flip etc) hardly worth the money saved. In other words, buy digital, saves time and saves money (adding game sharing to the equation, you don't really need to search for deals anymore).

I like to quote this guy's post again, which i agree (very reasonable):


unknownbrackets

Middle men are how my industry works (I am a developer.) If it weren't for middle men, your movies, music, games, and software would probably all cost 50% what they do now. The bad part is you'd probably never know they existed.
If the disc format is $60 and the download format is $30, since you're already paying high speed internet, which is a better deal? Do you even need to lurk around B2G1 threads? Maybe save those times for extra gaming sessions :)

Okay, that's that, let's focuse on the positve aspect of the PSP Go shall we? i.e. why did i pre-ordered one :)

1. It's slick and sexy, you can't deny this... You can say it's not designed for big hands, but let's not judge the book by the cover, if you haven't hold one in your big hands and actually play it, then it's just your opinion. Do you honestly think Sony's design team didn't consider the button layout? Look of a portable device is everything, that's why Apple stuff are hot cakes (that' why Victoria Secret models are hot).

2. 16gb internal memory. The PSP can do that, memory sticks, yeah i know that... But the Go got it build-in in addition to the memory slot. If you try to spin this negativly, i don't know what else to say to you.

3. Micro SD slot. Obviously, the Sony's own Duo stick is too big for the Go :lol: As a matter of fact, it's a good choice, Micro SD cards are much much cheaper than the Duo sticks. Yeah yeah, i know you can get the jackets for the PSP too (hey, it's still $4 there you know, and it's not native too). wrong info, it's not micro SD slot, it's Sony's micro stick...

4. Lighter and smaller, that's the selling point for me. You know the day i bought my PSP 2000? I showed it to a friend who know nothing about portable gaming devices and you know what he said? He said... "How come it's so big?" I was dumb folded by that, i mean, i was going to say something like "this is the PSP 2000, the PSP Lite..." And that was when i first got the PSP 2000, the week when it was released! In addition to playing games, we all like to show off the devices at some points... Well, it fits in bags better too.

5. Game sharing, i don't know how this going to be played out for the new PSP games, but the concept certainly works on the current titles on the PSN. Remember, sharing don't have to be with people you don't know. Within a family of gamers, it's perfect... Why should you buy a racing game twice to play over wifi using two PSPs?

6. Better network interface than the PSP (more secure settings), important to some, don't matter to some... but it's something the Go has, not the PSP.

7. Bluetooth... Pretty much same as #6.


I'm not going to argue the no UMD slot and build-in battery, since they can go both ways (to me, it's better w/o UMD and with build-in battery, that's what a portable device on the "go" should be, i.e. no spare batteries, no discs/cartridges etc.)

[ncc1701p]

Personally I don't find this a deal unless you have massive amounts of Amazon trade-credit. I don't like the Download only system for it. It can be convenient for the lazy tard who doesn't want to get 12ft away from his chair. If you are handi-capped then I can understand that. Though I can imagine it in the future. I have my DLC account which has all my DLC games on whatever X-System. I can't loan my games nor sell them. I can only leave my account to someone who will inherit it or sell the account on ebay to the highest bidder who wants 33% of my games. Oh and imagine you would walk into my game closet (yes I really have a game closet) and you will notice the shock and awe of maybe 2-3 hard drives sitting in there where physical media once existed. I have this talk w/ my friends all the time. All I can see it is push the prices of physical 'old' media up even higher in the coming years. The psp-go is a fail for me. No offense but how do you compete with the naughty folks who have a PSP 1k/2k/3k w/ a 16gig stick and can pretty much do the same thing and bypass Sony altogether. Only thing where this deal reigns supreme is no tax + FSSS.

[crunchewy]

1. It's slick and sexy, you can't deny this...

Hmm... there may be pluses to the Go, but "slick and sexy" isn't one of them. Yes, I am denying it. :) To me the thing looks pretty dopey and also looks like it will be top-heavy and awkward to hold, though that remains to be seen in practice.

3. Micro SD slot.

That is genuinely a shock to me. I didn't know that Sony was forgoing their annoying Memory Stick. If so, this is certainly a positive.

4. Lighter and smaller, that's the selling point for me.

I need to find a side-by-side comparison. The pictures of the Go by itself make it look pretty humungous. I'll take it, then, that this isn't really the case.

5. Game sharing

OK, this sounds good. How does it work and are you really licensed to share a game you purchase with friends, or legally are you only suppose to share within your household? The latter would still be a good thing, but it sure doesn't bring the cost down for most unless you are willing to go illegal. I'm stunned if they actually let you share with friends/strangers legally. What is the limit on number of copies?

[dallow]

Want a white one because it's so small and I can actually take it to places.

Scared of what will happen to my current UMDs.

EDIT: Micro SD slot?
Uhh, doesn't it use the micro version of the Memory Stick?
It's still a Sony format slot.

[Serpentor]

Wow, i'm a bit surprised that people didn't know the Go comes with a Micro SD slot :shock: wrong info, it's not micro SD, it's Sony's own Memory Stick Micro.

Game sharing thread (it's legal, otherwise it can't be discussed here):
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174965


Seriously, with game sharing, the only value that UMDs have is the cute cases...

Oh, i do want to stress that game sharing works on the PSPs too, not just the Go, don't get confused. just that, once you're loading games on the stick rather than playing from the UMD tray, you're using the PSP in the way the Go is intended for :)

[dallow]

It's not a Micro SD slot!

It's a Memory Stick Micro slot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_Stick_Micro#Memory_Stick_Micro

[unknownbrackets]

Whatever the deals maybe, the physical format is expensive.

I buy a lot of used games off of Amazon's marketplace. I end up paying < 50% retail and it's for games I'm not sure I'll like, but expect to (like was said above... My World My Way, Popolocrois, GrimGrimoire are examples of this.) In contrast, I purchased Black Sigil new, as I do many games I'm certain I will enjoy.

If the disc format is $60 and the download format is $30, since you're already paying high speed internet, which is a better deal?

Except, Sony will charge for $60. Or, they will charge you $30 for a worse game. I mean, trust me, games I'm interested in like Atelier Rurona, Suikoden 6, Kingdom Hearts 3, etc. etc. etc. are not going to cost $30. They will cost $50 or $60, whatever format they are on.

For the PSP, it's the same but with the $30 price point. Seriously, we've learned this from the last 20 years of software - in the 90's, software packages used to come with more. Now, you get just a download for the same price, and you have to pay a fee if you want to keep the download active.

No, digital won't be cheaper, sorry.

Want a white one because it's so small and I can actually take it to places.

Scared of what will happen to my current UMDs.

Actually, I've read a lot that makes it sound like Sony will have some trade-up program for a short while after PSP go's release. If this is true, there are many benefits (especially since many of my UMDs are used ones.) I might be willing to give up the disc (and just have a catalog of cards, potentially) since I know this can't scratch, and the performance will be better.

I will just need to know for sure that I can still play them in 10 years.

-[Unknown]

[Serpentor]

It's not a Micro SD slot!

It's a Memory Stick Micro slot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_Stick_Micro#Memory_Stick_Micro

oh damn, another Sony's proprietary format eh? Thanks for the correction. I retract anything i've said about the Micro SD slot on the PSP Go, minus one big point!

[crunchewy]

Wow, i'm a bit surprised that people didn't know the Go comes with a Micro SD slot :shock:

Game sharing thread (it's legal, otherwise it can't be discussed here):
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174965


Seriously, with game sharing, the only value that UMDs have is the cute cases...

Oh, i do want to stress that game sharing works on the PSPs too, not just the Go, don't get confused. just that, once you're loading games on the stick rather than playing from the UMD tray, you're using the PSP in the way the Go is intended for :)

Interesting. Can you have more then one account on your PSP (or PS3 for that matter)? Does this affect online play in games (I don't have a PS3 or PSP currently and have never used them)? I mean, do you all end up with the same user id? If this actually works I'm certainly a lot more interested in some form of PSP, whether "Go" form or not.

[Serpentor]

Except, Sony will charge for $60. Or, they will charge you $30 for a worse game. I mean, trust me, games I'm interested in like Atelier Rurona, Suikoden 6, Kingdom Hearts 3, etc. etc. etc. are not going to cost $30. They will cost $50 or $60, whatever format they are on.

For the PSP, it's the same but with the $30 price point. Seriously, we've learned this from the last 20 years of software - in the 90's, software packages used to come with more. Now, you get just a download for the same price, and you have to pay a fee if you want to keep the download active.

No, digital won't be cheaper, sorry.


They're doing this right now, games like Warhawk, Burnout Paradise... Same price on the PSN as the disc counterpart. The only reason the digital format is cheaper because of game sharing. Well, i think Sony is trying to eliminate the sharing feature... By then, there are no deals on digital downloads :(

The only positives of digital downloads are:
1. Unlimited backups
2. No physical space (negative for some, since some people like to collect)
3. No trips to stores :) (but for those order on-line, it's practically the same)

Since there's no concept of "used" in the digital download world, the games can't be the same price as the the disc counterparts! There's no case, inserts, distributions blah blah... But then again, Sony's eBooks cost more than the actual paper books. Sigh, please don't take away game sharing...

[Serpentor]

Interesting. Can you have more then one account on your PSP (or PS3 for that matter)? Does this affect online play in games (I don't have a PS3 or PSP currently and have never used them)? I mean, do you all end up with the same user id? If this actually works I'm certainly a lot more interested in some form of PSP, whether "Go" form or not.

Yes, you can have multiple accounts on the PSP/PS3. It's a different mentality from the Xbox community.

[crunchewy]

Well, i think Sony is trying to eliminate the sharing feature... By then, there are no deals on digital downloads :

So, uh, why then you are selling this as one of the reasons to get a Go? First you say we can share games and that makes the downloads cheap, and now you say you believe Sony is going to stop allowing you to share games. Argh!

There is no way I'm going to pay full price for a download. Maybe Sony will eliminate download sharing, but also make the download version of games cheaper then the disc version? That's obviously how it ought to be, but there's no evidence that they are going to do that yet. Maybe I should wait this one out and see what happens.

[Vegan]

http://assets.knowyourmeme.com/i/2282/original/images_do_not_want-741689.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQi3q-Nf9wA

[opportunity777]

Um, I'm pretty sure the PSP 3000 has TV-Out.

Specifically, I was answering his statement about the Go, which is why I quoted his post.

[Serpentor]

So, uh, why then you are selling this as one of the reasons to get a Go? First you say we can share games and that makes the downloads cheap, and now you say you believe Sony is going to stop allowing you to share games. Argh!

There is no way I'm going to pay full price for a download. Maybe Sony will eliminate download sharing, but also make the download version of games cheaper then the disc version? That's obviously how it ought to be, but there's no evidence that they are going to do that yet. Maybe I should wait this one out and see what happens.

You can game share using the current PSPs... I didn't say one of the reasons to get a Go is game sharing :)

I believe Sony gonna end game sharing because there's a lot of money involved and you know they will go after that :) Anything in the future is just pure guessing work, but i do think the current PSN game sharing trend will continue the way it is.

If digital games are the same price as the disc versions, man, somebody is making a lot of money here... However, i don't think that's the trend. What's going to happen is that there will be a lot of little PSN games tailored for the PSP (less than 100mb). They will cost like $1-$5 (like Apple's apps). Now, perhaps game sharing don't apply to those games and you definitely won't find disc version of them (unless there's a compilation).

[h3llbring3r]

Serpentor, I am one of the many people who find it unattractive:definitely not "sleek and sexy" - it looks over-worked and dorky to me- especially with the plastic chrome circular trim rings and the goofy mylo proportions. The white glitter princess version with the crystal buttons makes me want to puke.
:puke:

[InvaderZim]

I say... PSP NO!

[Nibi]

Want a white one because it's so small and I can actually take it to places.

Agreed, I hardly ever take my PSP outside. I have spent countless hours hunched over on my couch. It just isn't as portable as its name implies. So while the new form factor is divisive, I really like it and it was the primary selling point for me.

BTW Pearl White :drool: :D

[bvharris]

Agreed, I hardly ever take my PSP outside. I have spent countless hours hunched over on my couch. It just isn't as portable as its name implies. So while the new form factor is divisive, I really like it and it was the primary selling point for me.

BTW Pearl White :drool: :D

I suppose its true that one of its advantages is that it doesn't look too far removed from many of the PDAs/Cell Phones on the market today. Whereas the current PSP, well, there's no disguising what that is, huh?

[unknownbrackets]

Interesting. Can you have more then one account on your PSP (or PS3 for that matter)? Does this affect online play in games (I don't have a PS3 or PSP currently and have never used them)?

Currently, on the PS3 - yes. On the PSP - no. You would end up with the same user id on the PSP for online games, I suppose.

To be more specific, if you download a game using profile X on the PSP, you must play it using profile X (this is not true on the PS3.) I don't think you can change your current profile except through the store (so you must have wifi, e.g. no switching profiles on the train.)

If the PSP go had multiple accounts, it would be more interesting I suppose. I haven't tried game sharing though.

By then, there are no deals on digital downloads :(

Yeah. Prices go down on things normally, but not in the PSN store (except very specific, narrow, sales.) I like the competition of retailers.


If digital games are the same price as the disc versions, man, somebody is making a lot of money here...

Well, to be fair, discs (not counting licensing), manuals, cases, etc. are not expensive. It's not like we're talking even $5 per a $60 game. They print these in bulk, it's some cent value really. Shipping it around to retailers is the more costly part, but even that is not so much per game.

It does have a value to the consumer though, which is why people complain about losing it. Personally, I don't care that much either way about the actual physical packaging itself (although I find downloaded games unorganized in general... I have 200 or so total games and if they were all downloads in the PSN store it would be a MESS.)

The big win for digital downloads is as they've always said: if you have to print a lot, you have to know how many you will sell ahead of time and you have to sell them. A publisher could overestimate sales, and end up losing a lot of money even on a relatively popular game. Digital means there are no lots, no printing - just bandwidth. And you don't have to estimate that in advance, so it's just like a basic shipping cost (except even cheaper.)

-[Unknown]

[sokari]

Um -- where do you think that games for the PSP Go, with its all-digital media, are going to come from? Of course they'll all be released via PSN, do you really think Sony is going to open up their control of distribution?

The real question is for how much longer they'll continue to make UMDs as well. Hopefully there's enough of an installed base of the older machines that they'll keep it up for a while, but since even the older machines can download to a memory stick, it probably won't last long.


When the heck did they announce that all games would be released via PSN? Sure as hell not going to happen anytime soon.

The poster I quoted implied that with the Go released, support for the previous generations of PSPs will drop ("take something decent and kill it."). AFAIK, it was said (during E3 perhaps?) that support would not drop in the near-future. You seem to have completely ignored the latter half of my post and dabbed upon it in your post.

With physical media, I have a physical system. I only play RPGs (offline ones), so it's easy for me to slug an older game in an older console (or newer if BC) and play it. There's no backup plan with digital.

In my case with digital content on the PSP (though I only really have purchased two PSP games via PSN), I keep backups of my memory sticks (and thus the downloaded games as well) on my computer and another copy on an external hard drive. I don't see why there would be no backup plans, unless you're thinking of another system. Although I suppose you can also say that there's also more... unscrupulous ways of backing up PSP games.


Used games = one person profits (cash/credit) from losing a game. Can be spent on new game.
Trading = no one profits, just a swap or some such.



That's what I thought, which is why I asked if you were using the terms interchangeably.

[Ecofreak]

All this discussion should be done in the PSP FORUM! There is absolutely no deal information in this thread (except for possibly pre-ordering from Canada's Amazon.com)

[Nibi]

All this discussion should be done in the PSP FORUM! There is absolutely no deal information in this thread (except for possibly pre-ordering from Canada's Amazon.com)

100% in agreement. As the conversation about the system itself has overtaken any deal news.

[momshotdad]

i just think that the psp go is a cool thing because it is so small and has the ability to get games anywhere...which for me is great because i am hardly at home and this simplifys my game-purchasing tenfold.

[iNCREDiPiNOY]

All this discussion should be done in the PSP FORUM! There is absolutely no deal information in this thread (except for possibly pre-ordering from Canada's Amazon.com)
Amazon.ca Group Buy anyone? :lol:

[United_Korea]

this would've been day 1 if it had a umd drive. why sony, why...

[i4ybrid]

I don't have a PSP and I would buy one, but there's no point in paying a 67% price increase for a PSP that's got less functionality than the cheaper one. I'm going to wait for the price to go down or for people to start selling their used PSP's for less than $100.

[Serpentor]

i agree that Go discussion and deal talks should be separated, but sometimes it's just hard to do. People want to know why and what. Obviously, this thread is not a hot deal. However, posts like "i'm not gonna buy something do less for more money" are derailing the deal thread even more. Which leads to rebuttal discussions... Honestly, i don't know why people can't debate like this in the PSP forum :(

I pre-ordered one, not because i think it's a good deal, because i was able to secure a $75 console bonuse from Amazon. To be able to use the $75 on the PSP Go is a nice surprise, since it's a pre-order! We all know coupons and promotion codes don't work on pre-orders. Yeah, it's expensive, but using the info from the trade-in thread, it's definitely a deal. Come on, where else can you get a PSP Go for $175? I didn't factor in the $75 trade-in credit, because technically, that's the credit you suppose to have for trade-in, which can be used to purchase anything from Amazon. It's the same idea as "the $50 won from last night's poker game."

[hpv]

I still think this is way overpriced, not really tempted for a moment.

Agreed. Should have slotted in at $179.99 and dropped the PSP-3000 to $149.99. Or something around there. Don't they WANT to move these units if they're harder to pirate games on AND they cut out retail sales?

[crunchewy]

I don't have a PSP and I would buy one, but there's no point in paying a 67% price increase for a PSP that's got less functionality than the cheaper one. I'm going to wait for the price to go down or for people to start selling their used PSP's for less than $100.

The same has been said of the DSi, yet it seems to have been selling quite well. I may still be interested in the Go, and the amazon trade-in deal could make it more palatable if I can find a good way to transfer Gamestop credit to Amazon. Unfortunately I'm not having a lot of luck in that regard yet. Read: "none".

[opportunity777]

i agree that Go discussion and deal talks should be separated, but sometimes it's just hard to do. People want to know why and what. Obviously, this thread is not a hot deal. However, posts like "i'm not gonna buy something do less for more money" are derailing the deal thread even more. Which leads to rebuttal discussions... Honestly, i don't know why people can't debate like this in the PSP forum :(

I pre-ordered one, not because i think it's a good deal, because i was able to secure a $75 console bonuse from Amazon. To be able to use the $75 on the PSP Go is a nice surprise, since it's a pre-order! We all know coupons and promotion codes don't work on pre-orders. Yeah, it's expensive, but using the info from the trade-in thread, it's definitely a deal. Come on, where else can you get a PSP Go for $175? I didn't factor in the $75 trade-in credit, because technically, that's the credit you suppose to have for trade-in, which can be used to purchase anything from Amazon. It's the same idea as "the $50 won from last night's poker game."

Already, the discussion was pretty heated in the PSP forum. The topics are not separate because the console is divisive. Specifically, this hand-held marks the true beginning of the 'fight' between consumers and manufacturers over ownership rights. Also, people are pointing out reasons why this is not a deal.

I would have used that $75 trade-in for a 3000. :)

The extra money would have come in handy for at least a game, component cable hook-up and one 8 GB pro duo. CFW puts it over the top.

The same has been said of the DSi, yet it seems to have been selling quite well. I may still be interested in the Go, and the amazon trade-in deal could make it more palatable if I can find a good way to transfer Gamestop credit to Amazon. Unfortunately I'm not having a lot of luck in that regard yet. Read: "none".

Apples and oranges. Nintendo is more popular and can get away with releasing multiple revisions of units. Secondly, it doesn't try to reinvent the wheel. The DSi still accepts tangible media to play games. Third, Nintendo markets the DSi as only a hand-held. Like Serpentor wrote, every one can write about this topic for a while.

[xycury]

The same has been said of the DSi, yet it seems to have been selling quite well. I may still be interested in the Go, and the amazon trade-in deal could make it more palatable if I can find a good way to transfer Gamestop credit to Amazon. Unfortunately I'm not having a lot of luck in that regard yet. Read: "none".


I think this is a little bit different than a DS/DSi comparision..... GBA games haven't been sold or made in quite awhile. UMDs will still be made for games coming out.

Plus DSi can still play DS games, while the PSP GO can't play any UMD games.

[Serpentor]

Already, the discussion was pretty heated in the PSP forum. The topics are not separate because the console is divisive. Specifically, this hand-held marks the true beginning of the 'fight' between consumers and manufacturers over ownership rights. Also, people are pointing out reasons why this is not a deal.

I would have used that $75 trade-in for a 3000. :)

The extra money would have come in handy for at least a game, component cable hook-up and one 8 GB pro duo. CFW puts it over the top.

Well, then people need to stop moderating this thread, i have no problems with that. What the Go can do/will do decides this is a deal or not (actually, whether or not a deal to get one). So, it's like bring out the PSP Go discussion in the deal thread. Honestly, that's what happens to 99% of the threads... As to ownership rights, the fight already has begun and consumers are losing. There's no disc version of Apple's apps/games, the uppity is that the apps/games are cheap (granted that $5.99 titles are "overrated" but they do come down to 99 cents from time to time). What this means that, consumers actually get to vote (in a way). If the app/game is popular, the price is right. If not, prices are slashed. Since it's a digital download, it's much much much easier to vote and have the rating reflect actual usage/appreciation. The same thing happened with eBooks... you're paying electronic version of the books for the life of the eBook reader. Well, games/movies and books are different though, physical games/movies media are still useless if the supporting devices are dead, not books (real books) :)
You win some, you lose some... Overall, i still think the Go is the way the PSP should go, i.e. real buttons for games on the iTune library... If games are in the range of FREE to $10, do you really need the physical media? I don't see people screaming for artworks/cases in the iTune store...

[opportunity777]

Well, then people need to stop moderating this thread, i have no problems with that. What the Go can do/will do decides this is a deal or not (actually, whether or not a deal to get one). So, it's like bring out the PSP Go discussion in the deal thread. Honestly, that's what happens to 99% of the threads... As to ownership rights, the fight already has begun and consumers are losing. There's no disc version of Apple's apps/games, the uppity is that the apps/games are cheap (granted that $5.99 titles are "overrated" but they do come down to 99 cents from time to time). What this means that, consumers actually get to vote (in a way). If the app/game is popular, the price is right. If not, prices are slashed. Since it's a digital download, it's much much much easier to vote and have the rating reflect actual usage/appreciation. The same thing happened with eBooks... you're paying electronic version of the books for the life of the eBook reader. Well, games/movies and books are different though, physical games/movies media are still useless if the supporting devices are dead, not books (real books) :)
You win some, you lose some... Overall, i still think the Go is the way the PSP should go, i.e. real buttons for games on the iTune library... If games are in the range of FREE to $10, do you really need the physical media? I don't see people screaming for artworks/cases in the iTune store...

I vote with my wallet, have proper education and self-control, so I don't fall for any of those traps. :)

I should have been specific. For consoles, this is the first time the 'fight' has really materialized into its strongest form (360 and PS3 can still play physical media) with completely illiquid goods. Like you suggested, devices become obsolete or dead. Consumers have an opportunity to use digital media to have 'true' or 'ultimate' ownership, which is something that couldn't be accomplished with VCRs. Most companies do not want to give consumers this ability. At least, Apple allows buyers to have non-DRM versions of songs. This could be a long discussion, so I will leave it here.

[xsouthparkx]

I had no idea this was for pre-order. Thanks bro!

[Bootleg Zani]

People actually want this? The PSP-2000s at Dell.com yesterday for $110 seemed way more worth it to me.

[hhhdx4]

The same has been said of the DSi, yet it seems to have been selling quite well. I may still be interested in the Go, and the amazon trade-in deal could make it more palatable if I can find a good way to transfer Gamestop credit to Amazon. Unfortunately I'm not having a lot of luck in that regard yet. Read: "none".


The DSi does things the original DS doesnt do, there is nothing the PSP Go does that the 2/3000 series cant.

[arcane93]

Well, then people need to stop moderating this thread, i have no problems with that. What the Go can do/will do decides this is a deal or not (actually, whether or not a deal to get one). So, it's like bring out the PSP Go discussion in the deal thread. Honestly, that's what happens to 99% of the threads... As to ownership rights, the fight already has begun and consumers are losing. There's no disc version of Apple's apps/games, the uppity is that the apps/games are cheap (granted that $5.99 titles are "overrated" but they do come down to 99 cents from time to time). What this means that, consumers actually get to vote (in a way). If the app/game is popular, the price is right. If not, prices are slashed. Since it's a digital download, it's much much much easier to vote and have the rating reflect actual usage/appreciation. The same thing happened with eBooks... you're paying electronic version of the books for the life of the eBook reader. Well, games/movies and books are different though, physical games/movies media are still useless if the supporting devices are dead, not books (real books) :)
You win some, you lose some... Overall, i still think the Go is the way the PSP should go, i.e. real buttons for games on the iTune library... If games are in the range of FREE to $10, do you really need the physical media? I don't see people screaming for artworks/cases in the iTune store...

The thing is, I don't mind spending 99 cents (or even 4.99 or whatever) on a downloadable game all that much. I tend to look at iPhone games as being fairly throw-away anyway -- they entertain me for a while, then I finish with them and barely look at them again. I fully expect to lose them eventually, when I move on to whatever my next phone platform ends up being. But, for that very reason, I generally avoid anything that's over $5.

The PSP is a console, though, and that's a different story. The games are, for the most part, larger and more significant. Sony is also asking for more of an investment with their game prices. Look at some of the games currently on the Playstation Store for the PSP -- $24.99 for Syphon Filter: Logan's Shadow, $22.99 for Jeanne D'arc (which, btw, I got new on UMD for $10.97 the other week -- an exact illustration of the point about digital screwing us on deals), $22.99 for LocoRoco, $19.99 for Patapon 2, $14.99 for Dead Head Fred (which I bought new on UMD for $5.99 today), $14.99 for Field Commander, $15.99 for Killzone Liberation, etc. You get the picture. Sure, there are some cheaper games, but for the most part they're the simpler, more throw-away crap.

For those prices, I expect to be able to keep my games, no matter what. With a disc or a cartridge, I know that I can do so. Digital media doesn't guarantee that I'll be able to do so. Sure, I've got access to it as long as it's on their download servers and their DRM servers are up and running, but what happens after that? I also expect to be able to do what I want with them -- if I want to sell them, trade them, or give them to a friend after I'm done with them, I should be able to do so. With digital media, I can't do that.

And how often, honestly, do you see a sale on the Playstation Store? How often do you see a price slashed? Pretty much never, to my experience. Do you think that will change with the PSP Go? I don't.

Anyway, I think that all of this discussion is very much on topic, as it's probably helping people to decide whether to buy a Go or not. Really, if we can't discuss the console here, what's the point in having a thread? Is there really much else to say beyond what's in the OP if we limit it like that?

[gators625]

The DSi does things the original DS doesnt do, there is nothing the PSP Go does that the 2/3000 series cant.

...except fit in your pocket.


;)

[Nibi]

...except fit in your pocket.


;)

Oh snap.

[saticoy]

...except fit in your pocket.


;)

The PSP fits in my pocket- I'm not just happy to see you...