Another Republican caught with pants down, GOP moves into lead over Dems

[elprincipe]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/24/south.carolina.governor/index.html?eref=rss_politics

Yep, guess he didn't realize that people would wonder why, as the GOVERNOR of a state, he was away incommunicado for days on end, nobody knowing where he was, even his wife and kids. And this genius was (just resigned) head of the Republican Governors Association and had presidential ambitions? Jesus fucking Christ.

[Liquid 2]

This dude rocks. Not many would have owned up to what they'd done like he did.

And I don't know if he had presidential ambitions so much as people in politics thought he'd be a good candidate.

[homeland]

the press confrence was hilarous. The girls in background were constantly laughing at him. The dude needs to resign. You cant sneak out of the country without leaving someone in charge.

[Purple Flames]

It's like John Stewart said earlier tonight:

Just another guy with a conservative brain and a liberal penis.

[ananag112]

He kept saying "that person". I thought he was going to pull a McGreevey.

[RAMSTORIA]

a newspaper had emails about the affair since december and his wife threw him out two weeks ago. i think he went down there with a fuck it attitude and knew people were going to find out eventually so he wanted to sow his oats one more time as governer.

[JolietJake]

Can't believe the guy had to travel to another continent just to have an affair.

[GuilewasNK]

It's like John Stewart said earlier tonight:

Just another guy with a conservative brain and a liberal penis.


That is brilliant, actually. :applause:

I am just tired of politicians, liberal and conservative, trying to have the perfect family when they know they would prefer to fuck around. I hate them trying to push the fake, disingenuous family ideal then act like a bachelor. Don't get married in the first place and just be a damn bachelor, and go out and have fun without making a family and yourself look like fools.

[UncleBob]

hahahahaha....
If Mark Sanford had cheated on his taxes instead of his wife, he would have been a cabinet member by now.

Brilliant!

[depascal22]

I am just tired of politicians, liberal and conservative, trying to have the perfect family when they know they would prefer to fuck around. I hate them trying to push the fake, disingenuous family ideal then act like a bachelor. Don't get married in the first place and just be a damn bachelor, and go out and have fun without making a family and yourself look like fools.

Unfortunately, they wouldn't get the family values votes. No votes. No power and no cougars throwing themselves at you like tweens at a Jonas Brothers concert.

[62t]

lol his wife didnt stand by him when he confessed

[RAMSTORIA]

lol his wife didnt stand by him when he confessed

his wife has known, already tried reconciling and threw him out 2 weeks ago.

[camoor]

Maria Belen Shapur

Anyone have pics? :D

[homeland]

The worst part of all of this is, he flew to another continent to get with his g/f on FATHERS DAY weekend.

[Koggit]

This dude rocks. Not many would have owned up to what they'd done like he did.

And I don't know if he had presidential ambitions so much as people in politics thought he'd be a good candidate.
i saw the press conference.. he seemed legit.. but you bought it? even if he was legit, owning up to something only after being forced into a corner is not okay. my big problem is the huge string of lies, and because of it, i have a very hard time believing anything he says right now.



taking off without letting anyone know.. if they ask, tell them appalachian trail and that you don't know where on the trail i am.

people think i've been gone too long? well.. dammit. okay, tell them i'm cutting my hike short, i'll fly home tomorrow.

oh, shit, spotted getting off an argentina plane.. well.. uhh.. yeah, see, i was gonna go hiking but at the last minute decided argentina instead. because, uh, yknow... just because.

oh, fuck, you looked at my travel records and found the girl i met.. yeah.. we're friends. i was visiting my friend down there.

DAMMIT, you read my emails, in which i'm in correspondence with this girl for several years and a message ~1 yr ago is sexual? okay, fine, yeah, i've known her for that long and have been sleeping with her for.. what was the date on that email again? right, 1 yr, we've only been sleeping together for 1 yr.



look, i don't care much about fidelity, imo marriage is dumb anyway and monogamy is no more righteous than polygamy, but a person, especially a leader, needs to be honest, and this douchebag, after campaigning on family values, won't stop lying.

[HowStern]

This guy hardly rocks, liquid. When Clinton had his whole Lewinsky thing this guy was ranting and raving about family values and how Clinton was a "rascal". Typical republican hypocrite.

[KingBroly]

This guy hardly rocks, liquid. When Clinton had his whole Lewinsky thing this guy was ranting and raving about family values and how Clinton was a "rascal". Typical republican hypocrite.

Are you putting Clinton above him just because Clinton did it first? Or am I misreading you?

Also, the whole family values tagline is bullshit anyways, because everybody campaigns on it. No one cares if everyone does it.

[Koggit]

the whole family values tagline is bullshit anyways, because everybody campaigns on it. No one cares if everyone does it.

most social conservatives do it..

it's like when palin's daughter has a baby or gore skips around in a private jet.. if it were the other way around, who cares

hypocrisy matters

[HowStern]

Are you putting Clinton above him just because Clinton did it first? Or am I misreading you?

Also, the whole family values tagline is bullshit anyways, because everybody campaigns on it. No one cares if everyone does it.

You are misreading. When Clinton had his affair Sanford was verbally attacking Clinton and was one of only five members of congress to vote against some of Clintons proposals because of Monica Lewinsky.

But now look who's running off on father's day to screw some lady in another country..

[KingBroly]

most social conservatives do it..

it's like when palin's daughter has a baby or gore skips around in a private jet.. if it were the other way around, who cares

hypocrisy matters

Come on, you know every person running for political always puts a tagline somewhere in some way at some point in time about family values. It crosses political fences and no one is immune to it. The effect it has on the American populous is pretty minimal.

Well, HowStern, Clinton didn't go to another country (maybe he did, I don't know), but he has weird fascinations with other things.

[HowStern]

Yeah, I'm just saying Sanford is a giant hypocrite. He lambasted Clinton for cheating but then went and cheated.

[KingBroly]

Of course he is, but how many people remember that he did? And how many news outlets are saying he's a hypocrite for what he said?

[Darrith]

Actually when I was flipping through channels earlier they were showing video of him talking about Clinton, so I'm guessing they're aware of the hypocrisy.

The really creepy part, as someone else said, is that he was going all the way to South America to get laid, especially when he had a wife and kids.

In this case monogamy would've easily been more righteous. :roll: Good for his wife for kicking him out.

[Darrith]

Maria Belen Shapur

Anyone have pics? :D

Apparently you're not the only one interested.

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4286/mariabelgoogle.th.png (http://img291.imageshack.us/i/mariabelgoogle.png/)


http://img99.imageshack.us/i/marksanfordgoogle.png

[UncleBob]

most social conservatives do it..

it's like when palin's daughter has a baby or gore skips around in a private jet.. if it were the other way around, who cares

hypocrisy matters

What, now it's cool to blast a political candidate for something someone in their family did?

Like the Clinton's alleged drunken whore of a daughter?

I wonder how long before the Obama kids end up on drugs or something.

[JolietJake]

That's valid because of sarah palin's own views. Preaching abstinence only, then we see how well that worked out in her own family.

[Quillion]

What, now it's cool to blast a political candidate for something someone in their family did?

Like the Clinton's alleged drunken whore of a daughter?

I wonder how long before the Obama kids end up on drugs or something.

I wouldn't say cool, but yes when the people in the family are minors, no when they're adults.

What speaks better to someone's leadership abilities than how they lead their families? OR to put it another way: If you can't put your own house in order, don't ask to manage mine.

[UncleBob]

That's valid because of sarah palin's own views. Preaching abstinence only, then we see how well that worked out in her own family.

If I believe drugs are bad, tell my kids not to do drugs, then they go out and try drugs anyway, does that mean my view of "Don't do drugs" is wrong?

[HowStern]

^It's not as black and white as that. When it comes to sex there are options. Condoms, birth control, abstinence. To teach only one option is a mistake and proved to be so for the Palin lady.

When it comes to drugs it's either you did them or didn't. No real grey area.

[JolietJake]

If I believe drugs are bad, tell my kids not to do drugs, then they go out and try drugs anyway, does that mean my view of "Don't do drugs" is wrong?
It isn't even the same thing....:roll:

[depascal22]

Thanks for another crappy example, Bob.

Quillion said it best. Get your own house in order before you ask to lead the entire country.

[VipFREAK]

I think I was the most embarrassed about how pathetic he made the Male race look.

Fuck everything else.

[camoor]

Thanks for another crappy example, Bob.

Quillion said it best. Get your own house in order before you ask to lead the entire country.

I wouldn't care about an affair, that's personal business. If a politician can get things done, what business of mine are his bedroom activities.

I do care about creating all this nonsense (fake hiking trips, possibly traveling on state money, etc)

[depascal22]

I don't care what he does in the bedroom either but Republicans and conservatives seem to. All of their moral values issues center around sex. Abstinence only. Condoms are for the Devil. No gay marriage (and no gays at all if the could get away with it).

Then when they do the same shit they rail about, liberals are the bad guys for pointing it out. I'm just tired of the rampant hypocrisy on both sides.

[Koggit]

What, now it's cool to blast a political candidate for something someone in their family did?

Like the Clinton's alleged drunken whore of a daughter?

I wonder how long before the Obama kids end up on drugs or something.
do you seriously not understand the significant hypocrisy of Sarah Palin in her daughter being an unwed teenage mother?

you're damn right you can judge the content of a person's character based on the actions of their children, when the content of that character involves preaching abstinence education, parental guidance and family values over sex ed and contraception.

if Obama ran around saying "we don't need strict drug laws, we need better parenting and more trans fat in our foods, then our children wouldn't have drug problems", he enacted it and then his kids became drug addicts, fuck yeah it'd speak of his inability to lead

but that's gonna remain a pipe dream of yours, because unlike sarah palin and al gore, obama's not much of a hypocrite

[VipFREAK]

Like in religion when people can even follow their own teachings from their religion it makes not only them but their religion look laughable. Same with politics.

Names of stuff don't mean shit... It's having some fucking common sense. Granted... Sadly there is no such thing as common sense and even more sadly it's harder done then said...

[UncleBob]

I don't care what he does in the bedroom either but Republicans and conservatives seem to. All of their moral values issues center around sex. Abstinence only. Condoms are for the Devil. No gay marriage (and no gays at all if the could get away with it).

Then when they do the same shit they rail about, liberals are the bad guys for pointing it out. I'm just tired of the rampant hypocrisy on both sides.

Agreed - except that I'm tired of the people on both sides. ;)

To be fair, I don't think conservatives are against condoms (short of the Ultra-Catholic conservatives). I think you've got two main groups of conservatives:

1.) Government school is *not* the place to be teaching kids about sex. (This is the group I fall in, for what it's worth).

2.) If a government school is going to teach kids about sex, they should focus on abstinence only, since I'm sure any reasonable parent would agree that this is the *best* thing for all kids.

And - for what it's worth - I stand by my correlation between children and sex and children and drugs. Both sex and drugs can be bad things - or can be "good" things. You have to know when it's right and know your limits. Yes, there are choices for sex, but there are also choices for drugs (Do I want to try pot, beer or meth first?). If a parent wants to teach their kids to stay away from all of it, it should be that parent's choice.

For those of you saying "Well, the kid might go out and have sex anyway, so you should teach them blah, blah, blah..." You make me think of the Jack Thompson-types who try to use the excuse that kids will go behind their parents backs to play M rated video games, so we need to ban them all together.

You teach kids to do X.
Your kids reach a point where they make a choice about X.
All you can do is hope they make the right choice.

[JolietJake]

I may regret asking this, but where should kids learn about sex UncleBob?

And if you say their parents, i don't think the average parent is even qualified to give their kids advice on sex. Especially if the parents had the kids when they were still kids themselves.

[UncleBob]

Yes, their family. Sex, love and morals should come from be taught from within the home. It's a scary thought, isn't it? Having to raise your own children, I mean...

*edit* that wasn't phrased well...

[VipFREAK]

You don't have kids do you?

[Sc4rfac3]

I wouldn't care about an affair, that's personal business. If a politician can get things done, what business of mine are his bedroom activities.

I do care about creating all this nonsense (fake hiking trips, possibly traveling on state money, etc)
I agree cheating is personal matter. He cheated so what millions do everyday. Thats never gonna change.

[depascal22]

I agree cheating is personal matter. He cheated so what millions do everyday. Thats never gonna change.

Millions don't try to get a President impeached for doing the same thing. Doesn't you guys see the hypocrisy in that?

[JolietJake]

Yes, their family. Sex, love and morals should come from be taught from within the home. It's a scary thought, isn't it? Having to raise your own children, I mean...

*edit* that wasn't phrased well...
I don't even know if it's possible to teach love, but the average parent is definitely not qualified to teach their kids about sex. Never mind the anatomy of it, if the parents weren't responsible about sex when they were younger, who the hell are they to teach their kids to be?

You really think an unwed single mother/father should be teaching ANYBODY about being responsible when it comes to sex?

Please....

[depascal22]

I think UncleBob is saying that the parents should teach something though. They can at least say, "Hey, just be careful and think. I had you at 16 and we really struggled (or are currently struggling) because I never got to finish school or go to college and get a degree. I never got to go to my senior prom and I never took that road trip to Florida with the rest of my friends because I had to work to get you diapers and baby food."

I find that being honest is the best thing instead of trying to blow kids away with facts. I also think that schools should supplement what is being taught in the home. And not that crazy abstinence only crap that Bush implemented. We're only starting to see the level of that disaster.

[camoor]

You don't have kids do you?

WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN <insert frantic hand-waving and inability to reason here>

So we judge politicians on their parenting skills - looks like the Palin supporters didn't get the memo.

I agree cheating is personal matter. He cheated so what millions do everyday. Thats never gonna change.

Exactly. Without saying anything about Sanford personally, I'd rather get the best politician for the job, rather then an idiot like Dubya who, while faithful and off the booze (now) was one of the worst five POTUS ever.

Millions don't try to get a President impeached for doing the same thing. Doesn't you guys see the hypocrisy in that?

That would be a fine reason to quit supporting Sanford. Ditto on misuse of state funds (in other words, I'm not shedding any tears on this one). However it's delusional to think that his loss of support is a consequece of anything other then a Puritanatical judgement of his marital indiscretions.

[UncleBob]

I think UncleBob is saying that the parents should teach something though. They can at least say, "Hey, just be careful and think. I had you at 16 and we really struggled (or are currently struggling) because I never got to finish school or go to college and get a degree. I never got to go to my senior prom and I never took that road trip to Florida with the rest of my friends because I had to work to get you diapers and baby food."

I find that being honest is the best thing instead of trying to blow kids away with facts.

The above is 100% correct.

I don't even know if it's possible to teach love,
You teach love at home the same way you teach any other emotion and attitude at home.

Think about it - parents who constantly yell at their children usually end up with children who yell back. Do you think this is coded into their genetic structure? Possible. However, I'm willing to bet it's a learned behavior.

You teach children to give to charity by giving to charity. When I was growing up and we had little, my mother always made a point to give to charity. Many of the same charities she gave to are ones I still give to this very day.

Likewise - you teach your children to love by surrounding them in a loving environment. Parents (of any gender) who actually love each other, for example. The single parent can do it alone - but the child loses out on a big part of being a child - learning how two people can love each other, no matter the hardships - by only having one parent. The child will learn love by loving the child. The child can learn love by having close family ties with relatives and close friends who love you and love each other.

Just as greasy rednecks and gangbangers can teach their children hate, you too can teach your children love.

[depascal22]

What if it's two dudes or two women that surround a child with love. Is that also good, Bob?

[UncleBob]

It's fine with me...

Parents (of any gender) who actually love each other, for example.

I have absolutely no problem with homosexual couples adopting/raising children.

[Koggit]

My parents didn't love each other, fought a ton, when I was 10 my mom left my dad for an 18 yr old boy, my dad was single until I was 17, I bounced around a bit and turned out great (as did my sis).. and quite a few people I've known to come from loving families turn out to be crappy people. I don't think parenting is as important as its perpetuated to be, I personally put far more weight into genetics. Guess that's (part of) why I'm not a family-values socially-conservative republican...

[UncleBob]

I wonder how much of that raising makes you and your sister reluctant to rely on yourselves and dependent on the help of others and the government.

[Koggit]

unclebob, what do you do and how much do you make?

[UncleBob]

As I stated in another thread, I work retail sales. It's not an exciting job, but it pays the bills while leaving me with some cash for spending and time for my family. As you can guess, retail sales doesn't pay a whole lot of money, but as to the exact details of what I make, that's between me and my employer (and, I suppose, Uncle Sam...)

(By the way, I didn't mean the "as I stated..." to be snippy and that you should follow and memorize my every post - just establishing that I'm not making up some lie to answer your question... )

[Koggit]

sounds like you receive more government service than you pay for

just sayin

[UncleBob]

heh. Considering all I want the Federal Government to do is protect our borders (heh - great job there), settle disputes between the states and guarantee our basic freedoms from our state/local governments, anything else I'm "receiving" from the Federal Government is bunk. Do tell though - I own my own home, do not send children to government school, work my fare share while paying in my 30%+ to the Government. I receive no direct government aid of any kind (Welfare, Medicare, Social Security - and probably never will receive that one, despite all I am forced to pay into it). What, exactly, do you feel I'm getting from the Federal Government that I'm not paying for?

[Koggit]

LET'S ENTER THE NO-SPIN ZONE (be warned, this means ridiculous amount of spin incoming):

my point was that the wealthy ($80k+) subsidize government for the not-so wealthy (<$80k) - perhaps 'service' was a poor word choice, you're getting more government action than you're paying for, and whether you acknowledge it or not you're definitely benefiting from it in the form of a stronger nation. in that sense, it's a little ironic to complain about welfare-type programs. indirectly, you're receiving welfare -- you're benefiting from the money others are paying.

i know you likely wish that wasn't the case, in that you feel those services are unnecessary and would be content not receiving what i view as welfare, but what you want the government to do is near irrelevant. our government does what the majority of our majority-elected representatives choose.

so, basically, yeah, that was my point... you're on welfare. ;)

[UncleBob]

lol... nice try. :)

Because I receive services that I generally don't use, I basically don't want and generally vote in such a way to get rid of, I'm on welfare because the services are there and I can't do much about them?

Interesting concept.

Now, if it were up to me, instead of paying taxes on a percentage of your income basis, we'd pay a flat per-head tax. I know this isn't realistic, as it'd never pass - heaven forbid everyone realize exactly how much the government is spending once they start paying for it - but it's what I'd like to see.

As for your idea that we have a stronger society because of welfare programs - overall, I disagree. We've raised a nation of fools that believe that, if they fail, the government will be there to take care of them. Ask the poorer residents of New Orleans how that worked out for them. I wonder - if another Katrina-like Hurricane hit the area, how many residents would be waiting around on their roof tops for Uncle Sam's failboat to come and pick them up... (sadly, there'd probably be quite a few, as I'd bet a lot of them didn't learn a lesson).

So, no, I don't think I'm benefiting from a stronger nation. We have more people than ever on government-provided Welfare. If anything, though, it's our children that are being ass-raped. They're the ones who are going to get to enjoy trying to pay this mess off (hell, the way the economy is going, perhaps we might get to see the fruits of our labor sooner than later. Man, it'd be nice if I live to see the day our government leaders have to step up to the podium and say "Well folks, it was nice, but now we have to pay it all back.")...

[Msut77]

I do so love hearing Randian supermen drivel from someone who probably barely makes the national median wage and has no higher education.

The kind of guy who thinks he has no use for highways and all that gubberment flim flam.

[UncleBob]

I do so love hearing Randian supermen drivel from someone who probably barely makes the national median wage and has no higher education.

The kind of guy who thinks he has no use for highways and all that gubberment flim flam.

A.) You have no idea how much I make, how much my wife makes, and how much we take in in regards to investments and inheritance (which puts us over the $80,000/year mark that Kogett used - so I guess I'm not on welfare by his definition anyway.)
B.) You have no idea what my level of education is (which is beyond High School and I'll leave it at that).
C.) I, personally, believe that Federal Tax dollars should not be used for state and local road projects - and the only roads Federal Taxes should be used for are the interstate highways that make up part of our national security. Also, the taxes I pay in every time I purchase fuel are used in exchange for the wear-and-tear my vehicle puts on the road.

Now, by Kogett's definition - every single American who pays a dime in taxes is a warmonger - your tax money goes to support the ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. So, regardless if you supported the wars then, support the wars now or vote for politicians who say they're going to end the wars (haha, go Obama!) - your tax dollars are responsible for the wars. You receive the benefits of the war - a "more stable global political environment", cheap blood-oil from Iraq, a safer country because we're killing all those terrorist... whatever. Warmongers.

[Koggit]

haha.. not the same at all..

that'd be valid if i had called you a liberal based on our liberal government (i think we've had a moderate administration for 15+ years, but that's beyond the point)

saying you're on welfare is just stating the facts

well, not if you're in the 80k+ bracket.. in that case you're actually paying for other people's welfare, and your conservatism is less hypocritical.


note, before anyone says anything, i'm not saying conservatives making <$80k are hypocrites -- i'm saying conservatives who make <$80k and lecture about how ppl need to be completely self-made are hypocrites

tangentially, my dad is hugely anti-welfare. he makes a living as a sugar cane farmer, a profession which, in america, is completely created by welfare (in the farm of sugar tariffs)... can't help but lol at his hypocrisy. so few people acknowledge the many forms welfare comes in.

[UncleBob]

I guess we just have different ideas of what qualifies as welfare. Let's break it down a little. There's "general welfare" - which the Constitution provides for. This would be, say, schools, libraries, roads, etc. Then, there's the bastardized "specific welfare" - welfare that's given directly to one individual.

For the most part, I'm fine with general welfare. Now, of course, it has to make sense - a library is good - a staduim to increase tax revenue? Not so much. Specific welfare ("here's a check for $250 of someone else's money because you have three kids and no job" or "here's $4,500 to go buy a new car from the failing auto industry") I do have a problem with. I have absolutely no problems with charity - taking or giving. The difference between specific welfare and charity, however, is one of those, I'm forced - at gunpoint - to give to no matter my personal opinion on the recipient. I honestly don't think our founding fathers ever intended for such a thing.

As per your father - I hate him already. ;) As someone who loves soda with real sugar, he's one of my mortal enemies. Him and corn farmers. ;)

However, even though we disagree, I must give you props. No, I don't honestly make more than $80K/year between my wife and I. I just threw that out there to see your response. I was expecting something like "Oh, well, you don't know what it's like to blah blah blah...". Props for not breaking down to that. ;)

[Msut77]

A.) You have no idea how much I make

There are statistics on this sort of thing and it is simply not very likely that you make so much more than others in your field.

how much my wife makes

A sugar momma? Congrats I suppose.

and how much we take in in regards to investments and inheritance (which puts us over the $80,000/year mark that Kogett used - so I guess I'm not on welfare by his definition anyway.)

You inherited some money, not exactly a pull yerself up by your bootstraps story.

Still doesn't mean you don't use things like highways all the time. You basically admit you would be the definition of a freerider of you thought you could get away with it.

B.) You have no idea what my level of education is (which is beyond High School and I'll leave it at that).

Obviously I had some idea. College drop out?

C.) I, personally, believe that Federal Tax dollars should not be used for state and local road projects - and the only roads Federal Taxes should be used for are the interstate highways that make up part of our national security. Also, the taxes I pay in every time I purchase fuel are used in exchange for the wear-and-tear my vehicle puts on the road.

Again that is not the same thing as you don't use or benefit from these very things above and beyond what you pay.

No, I don't honestly make more than $80K/year between my wife and I. I just threw that out there to see your response.

Figures.

[UncleBob]

You claim I have a sugar momma, say I "basically admit" things I've never said and then accuse me of being a college drop out? Wow. Maybe you should come visit me and get to know me?

[Msut77]

You claim I have a sugar momma

Notice the question mark?

So that is two cags so far who have trouble knowing on exactly what a question is.

say I "basically admit" things I've never said

You have admitted to making things up and then you claim not be fans of infrastructure you use/benefit from every day.

then accuse me of being a college drop out?

That would be the logical conclusion.

Maybe you should come visit me and get to know me?

No thanks.

[UncleBob]

You're right - it's so much more fun for you to make comments that have no place in reality.

"I bet you can fly and shoot lasers from your eyes too!"

[Msut77]

You're right - it's so much more fun for you to make comments that have no place in reality.

Yes. Because that is exactly what I have done. /sarcasm

[UncleBob]

That's about the first correct thing I've seen you post. You're improving!

[speedracer]

If I believe drugs are bad, tell my kids not to do drugs, then they go out and try drugs anyway, does that mean my view of "Don't do drugs" is wrong?
You mean like when Governor Jeb Bush signed legislation that would evict people from public housing if they or even family members used drugs and then it was found out his daughter used? I don't remember him moving out of the mansion. The difference is when you act to enforce your position and then find yourself in that same position and don't take your own medicine.

Eliot Spitzer looks like a damned saint compared to these Republican cheaters.

[UncleBob]

You'd get no argument from me on removing Jeb Bush from office after the way he handled (i.e.: got involved in) the Terry Schiavo mess.

[speedracer]

Personally, I don't give a shit who he bangs in his spare time. This is the part that pisses me off.
Sanford repeatedly said he did not use public money for the trip, so it was not clear why he has agreed to reimburse the state for some of the more-than $8,000 in taxpayer money spent on the Argentina leg of an economic development trip to South America last year.

[UncleBob]

Personally, I don't give a shit who he bangs in his spare time. This is the part that pisses me off.

I'm not trying to defend the guy, just thinking - perhaps he's refunding the money because of the appearance that it may have been misused in that situation?

I doubt that's the case and I'll be glad when he's out of office, but if I was going to extend him the benefit of the doubt, that would be a reasonable response.

[speedracer]

I'm not trying to defend the guy, just thinking - perhaps he's refunding the money because of the appearance that it may have been misused in that situation?
I was thinking about that too. I figure the first time he has the guts to take questions that that'll be the first one. Your answer was the only one I could think of that he could use.

During my time interviewing with companies for a job, I would look at their hiring process as a metric of how the company operates and could be expected to think about business. If their process resulted in consistently crap candidates, I would stay away. Not because they hired shit (everyone does at some point), but because if you aren't consistently reevaluating the way you value and acquire talent, your process is shit and your business will be shit.

Man, we're shit. Up and down and in every direction. Utter shit.

[Koggit]

i think it's alright

[JolietJake]

Anyone who thinks appearances don't matter obviously isn't in politics.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090629/ap_on_re_us/us_sc_governor_spiritual_boot_camp

What a joke...

[VipFREAK]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRYNYb30nxU

[depascal22]

I haven't seen that video in years! What happened to those crazy Swedes anyway?

Has anyone else noticed that since a Republican did this, the talk radio guys have given him a free pass? If it was a Dem, I think there would talk of crucifixition and jail time. Elliot Spitzer is still a laughing stock but I don't think Sanford will get the same treatment.

[JolietJake]

Well of course, you think Limbuagh or Hannity are going to criticize one of their own?

[paddlefoot]

Yeah, I'm just saying Sanford is a giant hypocrite. He lambasted Clinton for cheating but then went and cheated.

Of course he is, but how many people remember that he did? And how many news outlets are saying he's a hypocrite for what he said?


A few did, because if they hadn't, I would have never known.

Good for the news organizations that did. Not always a fan of extrapolating news beyond the current story, but his actions during Clinton's impeachment trial puts this story in context. He's a self-righteous hypocrite.

I'll admit, my first thought was, well at least this time it was a woman.

[JolietJake]

I'll admit, my first thought was, well at least this time it was a woman.
Funny, that's what i thought when i heard about that catholic priest having an affair.:lol:

[depascal22]

I'm sure the Republican Party is relieved that it was a woman also. I'm pretty sure that they can spin this to say that Republicans love Latinas as much as Dems do.

[UncleBob]

Has anyone else noticed that since a Republican did this, the talk radio guys have given him a free pass? If it was a Dem, I think there would talk of crucifixition and jail time. Elliot Spitzer is still a laughing stock but I don't think Sanford will get the same treatment.

You're listening to the wrong talk radio guys...

http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/2009/06/sanford-and-the-argentinean-fl.html

I'll tell you what really bothered me. Father's Day. It's Father's Day and this character is nowhere to be found. He has four sons wondering where their daddy is. How sad. Meanwhile .. another step backward for the Republicans. Look ... the Republicans love to parade through town on their moral high horses. When they fall off it's naturally going to make more noise.

Thud.