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[JP]

You are correct, they aren't the same disc, but you can actually install them as long as you have the valid key. The OEM versions are normally built to pickup on a special code in the BIOS that automatically activates them. However, if you still have the key that is on Windows Sticker on your hardware and the OEM disc, you can install it on any other system and just activate it normally. Works just fine, you purchased the machine and the software (even though most software, games included, feel like rentals anymore), so you have you can install it, you just can't have it on more than one machine. That makes you in violation of licensing. I've used a HP OEM disc on a custom built machine to install and used the key from the old machine since it was dead, and it installed and activated perfectly. Went through activation as if it was just a retail copy. It doesn't work exactly like a retail, but will install and activate properly with the proper information to where it wont matter.

[polishpride212]

I have Vista basic, so maybe I will upgrade, but then again I might buy a new PC by then.

[solsovly]

You are correct, they aren't the same disc, but you can actually install them as long as you have the valid key. The OEM versions are normally built to pickup on a special code in the BIOS that automatically activates them. However, if you still have the key that is on Windows Sticker on your hardware and the OEM disc, you can install it on any other system and just activate it normally. Works just fine, you purchased the machine and the software (even though most software, games included, feel like rentals anymore), so you have you can install it, you just can't have it on more than one machine. That makes you in violation of licensing. I've used a HP OEM disc on a custom built machine to install and used the key from the old machine since it was dead, and it installed and activated perfectly. Went through activation as if it was just a retail copy. It doesn't work exactly like a retail, but will install and activate properly with the proper information to where it wont matter.

Not always. I have several xp keys from dell machines that do not work on other machines. One doesn't even work on the "original" machine because I swapped out some parts and tried to reinstall.

[subwayeatbig]

OEM versions can only be installed on one computer then its married to it. You can reinstall as many times as you like, but if you change a peice of hardware, such as the motherboard or HDD, or migrate over to a new computer, you invalidate the installation and are required to go purchase another copy. Personally i'd rather buy a retail copy since more than likely, over the say, 3-5 years im going to be using the OS, i'll end up either getting a new PC or would like to change one of those components. Anyway point being OEM copies are not the same as Retail.

"thanks for playing"[/QUOTE]

Well Dell OEMs are usually dead linked to the comp but other OEMs. I have switched out hard drives on this computer and such and i was able to validate it. If you switch out your motherboard, usually you might have to call him and they would usually clear it but YOU DONT HAVE TO BUY ANOTHER INSTALLATION. However, if you migrate your system, you are going to have alot more trouble with that.

[meta460085]

Will this work with my Mac?

[icedrake523]

I'm debating getting this. When I first got my laptop, I HATED Vista. I've gotten used to the layout of everything now and don't like it as much.

[Xiemos]

I currently am using RC windows 7 client. When I go to Computer>properties, it says Windows 7 Ultimate. I have a few questions...

1.Would the home premium upgrade work for me, or do I need to buy a full version?

2.How would the process work of installing home premium on a already windows 7 ultimate PC?

3.Would I need to uninstall RC windows 7, go back to vista, then install the upgrade?

[rpgamer92]

i'll wait to see how this turns out to be, i don't want to pay 50 for a another "vista"

[stimutax]

I currently am using RC windows 7 client. When I go to Computer>properties, it says Windows 7 Ultimate. I have a few questions...

1.Would the home premium upgrade work for me, or do I need to buy a full version?

2.How would the process work of installing home premium on a already windows 7 ultimate PC?

3.Would I need to uninstall RC windows 7, go back to vista, then install the upgrade?

I would seriously doubt that Microsoft would allow someone with the freely-available Windows 7 RC to install an upgrade version of the final release. I'm currently using the RC as well (and loving it), and I expect I'll have to format, install my legal copy Windows XP 64, then run the Windows 7 upgrade. Also, in for a copy of Pro.

[unknownbrackets]

I currently am using RC windows 7 client. When I go to Computer>properties, it says Windows 7 Ultimate. I have a few questions...

1.Would the home premium upgrade work for me, or do I need to buy a full version?

2.How would the process work of installing home premium on a already windows 7 ultimate PC?

3.Would I need to uninstall RC windows 7, go back to vista, then install the upgrade?

My suggestion is as follows:

1. Use Windows Easy Transfer to backup your settings. If you have any activated software (adobe, games, etc.) remember to deactivate them.

2. Upgrade if you have an older OS to install, otherwise use a full version.

3. Restore your user account from the backup.

4. Reinstall all your programs.

Or, in other words, for your questions - no, clean install, yes.

-[Unknown]

[Justin42]

AFAIK, no version of Windows 7 will update the Beta/RC so you'll have to reinstall no matter what. what process the reinstall will take will depend on if MS really is dumb enough to require a fully installed and functional OS to "upgrade" off of (Even if that upgrade is just a clean sweep).

I assume upgrade licenses don't allow you to dual-boot with the OS you're upgrading from?

[KPunk]

I'm assuming that the upgrade edition isn't going to be like back in the day where you just have to insert the previous OS disk to check. But you will prob have to deal with the slight annoyance of installing vista or XP first, after boot of that OS install 7. Luckily everything about Windows 7 is fast including install time.

[thehoweller]

I've heard nothing but good things of Windows 7, but Vista just pissed me off too much. I just can't imagine myself forking over more money to Microsoft after I've had to fight with their RRODing 360, and Vista.

I also wish these would release in one standard version with a single price. I don't like having to pay twice the price for a couple options which I feel are essential.

One big sigh from me, even though I knew this was coming. Anyone think they can convince a jaded Windows user? Oh, Vista Ultimate blows.

[unknownbrackets]

One big sigh from me, even though I knew this was coming. Anyone think they can convince a jaded Windows user? Oh, Vista Ultimate blows.

As a programmer, I really like Windows 7. They have honestly listened to and responded to the feedback people have had with Vista. Also, it performs much better - at the level XP did - unlike Vista.

As a user, you are fine with Home Premium. Basically, "Windows XP Mode" is exactly like VMWare Fusion. It's very useful to a programmer like me, but it adds a lot of additional confusion to use, and performance will be potentially worse within it. IMHO, nothing else Professional has is worth the extra $$$.

Also, Virtual PC (which powers Windows XP Mode) used to be free. I wonder what will really happen with that. It may just be that you're paying for the license of XP used inside the VM.

In any case, if you are using XP or Vista, Windows 7 is worth $50. I agree that the RROD'ing is crap, and honestly if Mac OS X ran on any hardware I would say it's better than you'd expect, but Windows 7 ain't bad.

-[Unknown]

[ElektroDragon]

I bought 3 copies, because I need one for each computer in my house. RIGHT? Or does the EULA allow for multiple PCs per copy?

[Nikadimas]

Hmm... my PC died the last time the power went out and, since it's 4 years old and was dated when I bought it, I think I'll get another one now instead of waiting for Windows 7 to come pre-loaded on models. Plus I can't stand using this damn Netbook for everything. It runs on Linux and the battery only lasts two hours.

[eastx]

Laptop batteries never last especially long. But yeah, using a netbook as your main computer would suck.

[Spooon69]

I think I'll get a copy of Vista (need an OS for a new PC next month), but new Vista copies get an upgrade to Windows 7 for $9.99, so I think I'm good. Now to find a cheap copy of Vista.

[ighosty]

For those looking at new pc's, if you buy a new PC after July 1st with Vista a windows 7 upgrade is free.

http://windows7news.com/2009/01/07/free-windows-7-upgrade-program/

[jughead]

Didn't feel like reading through all the pages. What if you have a legit copy of Vista but you installed the Win 7 RC? Will the upgrade work on the release client or will you have to do that thing where it verifies your Vista disc?

[bsesb2003]

Somebody's serious about getting users to move to 7.

[smoger]

You cannot upgrade to Windows 7 from XP or MCE. You must upgrade to Vista then Windows 7. I know it sucks, but thats what you have to do!!

Not sure if anyone mentioned this, but YES you can upgrade from XP.

You can't do an upgrade install... but you CAN use the upgrade disc to do a CLEAN INSTALL on an XP machine. Assuming you will need the XP disc in your posession.

[Teh Nitwit]

Just a word of warning for those expecting just a 'disc check' to verify your Windows XP/Vista ownership: Microsoft had recently changed this 'workaround' for the Vista installation to make sure you had an installed, genuinely authenticated copy of Windows XP before you could proceed (removing the disc check option for a clean install).

On Microsoft's website for Windows 7 upgrade FAQ, "To be eligible for the offer, you need to be running a genuine copy of the Windows XP or Windows Vista operating systems." In the case of Windows XP, the upgrade CD will format and clean install when you run the CD during your last session of Windows XP. In the case of Vista, it will simply update the platform with fixes, leaving most settings intact (e.g., Windows 2000 to XP upgrade).

Just putting this out there; hopefully Microsoft may consider reimplementing the disc check, but just posting this tidbit so people aren't surprised if Microsoft doesn't.

Thank you for posting this. I expect that MS will disable the key used by XP before proceeding with upgrade, so this upgrade method is very unsafe for us customers. If HD dies, and we need to reinstall, we will not be able to because our XP key will no longer be good. Screw MS. I will keep my XP.

[smoger]

Thank you for posting this. I expect that MS will disable the key used by XP before proceeding with upgrade, so this upgrade method is very unsafe for us customers. If HD dies, and we need to reinstall, we will not be able to because our XP key will no longer be good. Screw MS. I will keep my XP.

i love how you're demonizing them based on absolutely NOTHING but your own assumption.

[palejackal]

From Amazon

Windows XP (or any other operating system)
We recommend that you experience Windows 7 on a new PC. While we don't recommend it, you can opt to upgrade your current PC from Windows XP or another operating system to Windows 7. We recommend that you get help with this process from your local computer service provider. You'll need to back up your current files and settings, perform a custom (clean) installation, and then reinstall your files, settings, and programs.This gives me the distinct impression your code would not be invalidated, or indeed, you don't need Windows XP at all. Unless Amazon is straight up wrong.

[Vegan]

Not sure if anyone mentioned this, but YES you can upgrade from XP.

You can't do an upgrade install... but you CAN use the upgrade disc to do a CLEAN INSTALL on an XP machine. Assuming you will need the XP disc in your posession.

Yeah, and clean installs are better anyway.

[goldvenom69]

I jump in. It seems like a good deal.

[Teh Nitwit]

i love how you're demonizing them based on absolutely NOTHING but your own assumption.

Not my fault you have problems with reading comprehension and reasoning. I feel generous today, so I'll connect the dots so that you may understand. Read Zakai's quote again.

The only reason for MS to require a fully validated copy of XP for the upgrade is for Win7 to have a valid XP key. The only reason for them to require the XP key is so that they can disable it. If they don't disable it then there is nothing stopping people from using an XP key to install Win 7 and then keep using the XP key on another machine or to use one XP key to install multiple copies of Win7.

They deactivated XP keys during Vista upgrade.

Obviously, they do not want to take a questionable key during installation and activate Win7 and validate the XP key at the same time. If they did, then all they would require during installation of Win7 would be that XP key. They have reasons for requiring users to go through the extra hassle of installing and validating XP before installing Win7.

Understand now?

[smoger]

Not my fault you have problems with reading comprehension and reasoning. I feel generous today, so I'll connect the dots so that you may understand. Read Zakai's quote again.

The only reason for MS to require a fully validated copy of XP for the upgrade is for Win7 to have a valid XP key. The only reason for them to require the XP key is so that they can disable it. If they don't disable it then there is nothing stopping people from using an XP key to install Win 7 and then keep using the XP key on another machine or to use one XP key to install multiple copies of Win7.

They deactivated XP keys during Vista upgrade.

Obviously, they do not want to take a questionable key during installation and activate Win7 and validate the XP key at the same time. If they did, then all they would require during installation of Win7 would be that XP key. They have reasons for requiring users to go through the extra hassle of installing and validating XP before installing Win7.

Understand now?

No, no,.. i UNDERSTOOD your assumption. BUT nonetheless, unless you have a retail upgrade copy of Win7 in your hands, it IS just an assumption.

[Teh Nitwit]

No, no,.. i UNDERSTOOD your assumption. BUT nonetheless, unless you have a retail upgrade copy of Win7 in your hands, it IS just an assumption.

You understood that? Then why say it's just my assumption when Zakai's quote comes from MS directly?

[Slipshod]

For those looking at new pc's, if you buy a new PC after July 1st with Vista a windows 7 upgrade is free.

http://windows7news.com/2009/01/07/free-windows-7-upgrade-program/

Good, but worthwhile to point out that each PC manufacturer can pick and choose which models to allow that deal on. For example, if you buy a Dell Inspiron 530 today, you do NOT get Win7 for free. But, if you buy an Inspiron 537, you DO get it. Way to be consistent, guys!

[Slipshod]

lol you realize Service Packs for Windows are free?

lol you realize Snow Leopard is not a Service Pack? Same way that XP (Win 5.1) is not a 2000 (Win 5.0) service pack. The 10 is part of the name: OS X version 6.0. You were confused by marketing. Or a troll. HAND.

[ekard]

In for the $50. I never liked my legal copy of vista HP64. I even went back to pirate xp version for sometime until it was detected by their new last cleanup patches. Now that I'm on vista fulltime not a day goes that I don't get the urge to crush the pc.. The stutter during movies and the sound crackles really piss me off which I never had in XP ever. Even after I turned off searching and crap vista is still trying to kill my drives. Vista is pure garbage I'm glad the horror ends soon for $50

[smoger]

You understood that? Then why say it's just my assumption when Zakai's quote comes from MS directly?

Don't back peddle in an attempt to save face. Your assumption is:

I expect that MS will disable the key used by XP before proceeding with upgrade, so this upgrade method is very unsafe for us customers. If HD dies, and we need to reinstall, we will not be able to because our XP key will no longer be good.

If it's a fact then back it up. Remove "I expect" and show us some proof from a page on Microsoft's website or ANY legitimate Windows7 documentation.

You would have to be insane to think Microsoft would make this upgrade a 1 time shot with no way to fall back. They would be buried in lawsuits and antitrust investigations from day 1.

[Skelix]

Should be free to all the poor slobs who run Vista right now. Especially when we bought newer computers and had to get the Vista rammed down our throats. At least 50% is better than full price, I'll have to buy 2 to upgrade mine and my mom's Vista.

Hopeing the compaibilty issues will be non existant. This will be for 2 laptops.

[NutManIV]

Well I preordered it. Everything I've read makes W7 sound fantastic. Definitely better than Vista was pre-SP1.

[blk00civicsi]

Should be free to all the poor slobs who run Vista right now. Especially when we bought newer computers and had to get the Vista rammed down our throats. At least 50% is better than full price, I'll have to buy 2 to upgrade mine and my mom's Vista.

Hopeing the compaibilty issues will be non existant. This will be for 2 laptops.

I'm over these Fucking Vista Haters. There is nothing physically wrong with Vista. Unless you were one of the 1st people to get Vista upon release you probably have never encountered any issues. Please explain to the group your problems with Vista not performing as it should.

Your brain is most likely polluted from those ridiculous Mac commercials.

[FelixC]

I'm over these Fucking Vista Haters. There is nothing physically wrong with Vista. Unless you were one of the 1st people to get Vista upon release you probably have never encountered any issues. Please explain to the group your problems with Vista not performing as it should.

Your brain is most likely polluted from those ridiculous Mac commercials.

Plenty of people had problems with Vista. Just because you didn't doesn't mean that Vista is perfect. Lots of businesses skipped it since it was much worse than XP and everyone pretty much acknowledges that. It does seem like Win7 is better than Vista so far but after the disaster that was Vista, Win7 SHOULD be free for all the people that have Vista.

[blk00civicsi]

Plenty of people had problems with Vista. Just because you didn't doesn't mean that Vista is perfect. Lots of businesses skipped it since it was much worse than XP and everyone pretty much acknowledges that. It does seem like Win7 is better than Vista so far but after the disaster that was Vista, Win7 SHOULD be free for all the people that have Vista.

I'm not saying that I didn't encounter issues but 99% of the people complaining about it probably caused the issue themselves. That's not to say that Vista didn't have problems but you'll get that 100% of the time you try to rush something to market. Almost all the issues were solved with SP1, and SP2 has made Vista somewhat of a nice OS to navigate.

I've been using the RC of Win7 Ultimate since before it was released to the public and I've got to say that I'm 110% impressed with it and am Glad MS listened to us.

I'm just sick of the users who think they can chime in to issues they've encountered with Vista when Guaranteed it's 99.8% heresay.

[smoger]

Plenty of people had problems with Vista. Just because you didn't doesn't mean that Vista is perfect. Lots of businesses skipped it since it was much worse than XP and everyone pretty much acknowledges that. It does seem like Win7 is better than Vista so far but after the disaster that was Vista, Win7 SHOULD be free for all the people that have Vista.

See, people like you are who he's talking about. You perpetuate the myth that Vista is a steaming pile without backing it up with anything at all beyond "other people said so".

Truth is, Vista had a shaky start but became a very good, stable, and secure(moreso than XP, at least) OS.

[JP]

Yeah, my company was one of them that had originally decided to skip Vista. However, after myself and others in the IT Department believed it was stable for our uses we began rolling it out. It is a very good OS now, but Windows 7 is definitely an improvement.

[Teh Nitwit]

You would have to be insane to think Microsoft would make this upgrade a 1 time shot with no way to fall back. They would be buried in lawsuits and antitrust investigations from day 1.

Duh! I'm "expecting" the obvious! Of course MS will disable the XP key when upgrading to Win7. They've done it with XP->Vista and it's obvious they will again from their requirement that XP be activated for Win7 upgrade to install.

The only assumption you can accuse me of is thinking that it is a "one shot thing" with no way to fall back. Since I see no way for it to be anything another than a "one shot deal", then I feel it is a fair assumption to make.

If you're going to call me out on that, then you should to come up with a possible explanation of how they could do it. I say the only way will be to call MS and beg them to re-activate the XP key (and that's obvious, bullshit, and doesn't count). If I'm assuming wrong, then tell me how it's possible for me to be wrong. If you can't, then you're merely an MS fanboy, denying the obvious.

I think they've chosen this method because it's the only way for them to deal with all the people who don't have XP disks and who don't even know their keys. MS wants them to be able to upgrade too and for the sake of simplicity and consistency, they decided it'd be best if all XP users upgraded the same way. If someone doesn't like the "one shot deal", then they can call MS (to ask them to reactivate the old key) or purchase the full version.

[mortalfloater]

I'm just gonna wait and get the OEM disc.

[52club]

The problem with Vista isn't software related, from my experience it is/was the resource issues it caused for Hardware. It isn't something 95% of PC gamers has to worry about. However, if you have Hardware with limited specs you need to upgrade to run Vista. For major companies that is a costly proposal.

[BigFishCarl]

The problem with Vista isn't software related, from my experience it is/was the resource issues it caused for Hardware. It isn't something 95% of PC gamers has to worry about. However, if you have Hardware with limited specs you need to upgrade to run Vista. For major companies that is a costly proposal.
I Agree with this statement 110%. That is exactly why the companies I work for didn't upgrade to vista.

[BlueLobstah]

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but apparently the upgrade edition will require a prior installation of Windows already on the hard drive (Vista or XP). Inserting the CD upon installation will no longer work. This is bad news for people who want to work with clean hard drives, or are currently running the release candidate.

I may considering canceling now, or just wait for an OEM version. I don't want to have to put up with this crap.

[blk00civicsi]

Lobstah - do you have any proof other than speculation?Microsoft pointed out the clean install on my vista ultimate upgrade manual. And from every correspondence on MS' site it will still exist in the upgrade. It did in the RC too.

[BlueLobstah]

RC is considered the full product, not the upgrade version. This doesn't apply to the non-upgrade versions of Windows 7.

The clean install still works, but only if the prior OS is already on the hard drive. All it does is move the old installation to windows.old and installs the new OS in place. This is bad for my setup, as I leave each OS left on its on partition of a limited size, not to mention I just removed XP to move over to the release candidate completely.

This arstechnica pricing article (http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/06/windows-7-pricing-announced-cheaper-than-vista.ars) mentions that the installer checks for the installation to be on the hard drive. Additionally, I also just called Microsoft, and the CS rep mentioned the same thing.

Again, this probably won't be a problem for most people, but its definitely a problem for me.

[csalzman]

See, people like you are who he's talking about. You perpetuate the myth that Vista is a steaming pile without backing it up with anything at all beyond "other people said so".

Truth is, Vista had a shaky start but became a very good, stable, and secure(moreso than XP, at least) OS.

I couldn't agree more. By the time SP1 came out, hardware manufacturers finally had respectable drivers out and everything was fine. People also tend to forget that XP had a bunch of issues before SP1 and SP2, but I guess they are too busy looking back with rose colored glasses.

[Rocko]

I only have XP on my computer. I'll need an external HD to successfully upgrade, to backup my files, right?

I've never done anything like this before. :x

[J7.]

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[chrisflyer]

I ordered from NewEgg this evening. Have yet to receive an email confirmation, but the preorder is showing in my account status.

[Reaperain]

I done preordered mine on June 26th. Home Premium off Newegg.com. Best part about that - no tax. haha.

[AlphaConqerer]

My only problem is I use Japanese on my computer for emails or correspondence, and according to Microsoft's site, only Ultimate edition supports "any of 35 languages" which I assume means Japanese is included in there...
Hmmm.

[AlphaConqerer]

My only problem is I use Japanese on my computer for emails or correspondence, and according to Microsoft's site, only Ultimate edition supports "any of 35 languages" which I assume means Japanese is included in there...
Hmmm.


OK according to this http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/GettingReadyforWindows7/thread/3a07d88a-7fcf-4ab8-925b-61fda1052016 even Home Premium would be able to support Japanese. Ultimate's difference is that it would allow you to actually run the Japanese OS or indeed any of 34 other OSs.

EDIT: Can anyone confirm this?

EDIT 2: Sorry I should have just edited the first post.

[Malice]

So, if I were to build a new PC(which I plan to do), I would have no use for this because it's an UPGRADE, right? Since I won't have an older version of windows on my new PC, I won't be able to use this?

[qwerty1]

OK according to this http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/GettingReadyforWindows7/thread/3a07d88a-7fcf-4ab8-925b-61fda1052016 even Home Premium would be able to support Japanese. Ultimate's difference is that it would allow you to actually run the Japanese OS or indeed any of 34 other OSs.

EDIT: Can anyone confirm this?

EDIT 2: Sorry I should have just edited the first post.


I'd be shocked if they didnt allow for other language support in any Windows 7 version. What is probably restricted is what language the entire UI of windows is in. So you should be able to type and read Japanese but you'd never have the entire UI and all associated windows programs in Japanese.

[Vegan]

So, if I were to build a new PC(which I plan to do), I would have no use for this because it's an UPGRADE, right? Since I won't have an older version of windows on my new PC, I won't be able to use this?

According to Maximum PC magazine, you'll only need the XP serial number. They talked to Microsoft and they candidly said that they really don't care if people are sharing XP serials, the important thing is that you're still paying SOMETHING for Win7.

[tlwizard]

So, if I were to build a new PC(which I plan to do), I would have no use for this because it's an UPGRADE, right? Since I won't have an older version of windows on my new PC, I won't be able to use this?You can buy a version of Vista right now from Amazon or any other legit seller and get a free upgrade Win7 of the same kind. (So if you buy Vista ultimate now, get a free upgrade to Win7 Ultimate)

[Rocko]

You can buy a version of Vista right now from Amazon or any other legit seller and get a free upgrade Win7 of the same kind. (So if you buy Vista ultimate now, get a free upgrade to Win7 Ultimate)
Wait, what? I don't see any mention of that on retailer's sites. I thought it was only if you bought a machine that came with Vista, you'd get Win7. It's good for buying just the Vista OS now too?

[gamer1233]

Wait, what? I don't see any mention of that on retailer's sites. I thought it was only if you bought a machine that came with Vista, you'd get Win7. It's good for buying just the Vista OS now too?Yes I saw the offer on newegg yesterday.

[tlwizard]

Wait, what? I don't see any mention of that on retailer's sites. I thought it was only if you bought a machine that came with Vista, you'd get Win7. It's good for buying just the Vista OS now too?http://www.microsoft.com/windows/buy/offers/upgrade-faq.aspx

Follow the link in the first FAQ. But Vista at retail, register the serial number in the program. Pay shipping and handling of $9.99. Send in authroization form plus receipt. Wait until October 22 plus 6-8 weeks.

[ryanflucas]

I'm concerned that 'upgrading' my 32bit Vista Home Premium to Vista Home will enable Microsoft to invalidate my license code. Meaning they flag it as invalidated so that when one 'upgrades' to Windows 7, they cannot downgrade.

When Vista Business came out, there was a small percentage of early adopters this happened to. It wasn't meant to happen, but they found when downgrading, they couldn't download XP updates since WGA flagged their license code as invalid. When they complained they were able to straighten it out, but it's a dilemma I'd like to avoid (being in the IT field myself).

I think I will be buying the $50 package and setting it aside until I'm absolutely sure I'll be installing and using it.

[Justin42]

I'm curious how any sort of invalidation will work as well, I am using XP under work at home rights from work, but was hoping to use this to sort of jump diagonally out of using my work's licenses, but since we have a VLK I'm starting to wonder now if the Win 7 Pro will even properly upgrade it or if it'll short circuit somewhere??

Ugh, leave it to MS to make something which should be fairly simple too insanely complicated. (all they need to do is tell us what's going on with licenses, etc-- or just realise that all the copy protection and license activation in the world won't stop piracy and if anything they NEED the barrier to Win7 much lower to help reverse the bleeding they had with Vista)

[Allen750]

No time to read the thread, but you can format 1TB drives, it has improved performance, great dual-monitor support, and Vista sucks.

[opportunity777]

Probably, I will bum a copy from work because I'm using WinXP 64 from my workplace.

[thextreme1]

I am sure this has been asked, or maybe it hasnt. I got picked for the Beta, but never downloaded it. For those with it, from Vista 64.. What is the upgrade worth(besides the obvious DX11)?

[bobsaysblah]

I ordered a copy of home premium and found this link later in the day
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/%5Bprimary-term%5D/windows_7_feature_focus_which_windows_7_edition_ri ght_you

It says something about pro having "domain network support" while home doesn't. Could somebody explain that to me or link to a description? Googling wasn't much help.

[JP]

Basically what they are meaning by domain networking support is being able to join an Active Directory Domain. It's similar as to how XP Pro could join an a domain, but XP Home could not. It's mainly important for business consumers or users who will be wanting to join their machines to their company's domain. Or, in my case, joining my Active Directory domain I have setup inside of my apartment.

[UjnHunter]

I just pre-ordered the Home Premium upgrade... It's funny though how MS makes it look like they are doing you a favor by offering it at half price... when in reality they're just making you pay $50 to fix Vista. Heh.

[guyver2077]

so what happens if you try to install this over a pirated vista?

[opportunity777]

so what happens if you try to install this over a pirated vista?

First, you better wait for a good crack. :)

[PR Mega X]

Well, I put my order in, but I'm worried with all this discussion about how the activation process will work. I own a legal upgrade copy of XP with serial, but I've got installed a less-legal copy of XP Media Center Edition. I guess I'll just cross my fingers for now to see what the final word is -- there's always time to cancel before October.

[gamer1233]

Well, I put my order in, but I'm worried with all this discussion about how the activation process will work. I own a legal upgrade copy of XP with serial, but I've got installed a less-legal copy of XP Media Center Edition. I guess I'll just cross my fingers for now to see what the final word is -- there's always time to cancel before October.If you are worried about it you can do just a clean install instead of an upgrade.

[PR Mega X]

If you are worried about it you can do just a clean install instead of an upgrade.

That's what I'm hoping -- that I can just do a fresh install of Windows 7 with the upgrade disc, and then just provide a serial or something from XP to prove that I have it. Cause there's no way in hell I'm paying the $200 for the standalone Win7.

[gamer1233]

That's what I'm hoping -- that I can just do a fresh install of Windows 7 with the upgrade disc, and then just provide a serial or something from XP to prove that I have it. Cause there's no way in hell I'm paying the $200 for the standalone Win7.Yes you will be able to do that, shouldnt be a problem because I could do it with a vista upgrade disc. Here is a link on your issue. You wont need the serial from xp. What you do is install windows 7, after that is finished you run the setup again within windows 7 and enter your windows 7 product key in that setup.
http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs/paul/archive/2009/06/25/clean-install-with-windows-7-upgrade-media-what-about-x64-upgrades.aspx

[token2k6]

what if you have the RC version? do you qualitfy the Upgrade or will I have to get full? I hope I can just get the upgrade...

[gamer1233]

what if you have the RC version? do you qualitfy the Upgrade or will I have to get full? I hope I can just get the upgrade...You can just get the upgrade, they want you to have a legal copy of xp or vista though.

[NutManIV]

Yes you will be able to do that, shouldnt be a problem because I could do it with a vista upgrade disc. Here is a link on your issue. You wont need the serial from xp. What you do is install windows 7, after that is finished you run the setup again within windows 7 and enter your windows 7 product key in that setup.
http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs/paul/archive/2009/06/25/clean-install-with-windows-7-upgrade-media-what-about-x64-upgrades.aspx

He says to do it with the download version from Microsoft though.

[Sir_Fragalot]

I just pre-ordered the Home Premium upgrade... It's funny though how MS makes it look like they are doing you a favor by offering it at half price... when in reality they're just making you pay $50 to fix Vista. Heh.

Yeah if I owned Vista I would not be happy over 7 since it is more of a service pack then a new OS but for XP users this is a great deal since Vista still retails at $100 for home premium.

[gamer1233]

He says to do it with the download version from Microsoft though.
This is what I am pointing out. "The answer, I'm told, is ... Yes. You can perform a clean install of Windows 7 with the Upgrade media, as you could with Windows Vista." What you read was a different answer for another question.

[NutManIV]

This is what I am pointing out. "The answer, I'm told, is ... Yes. You can perform a clean install of Windows 7 with the Upgrade media, as you could with Windows Vista." What you read was a different answer for another question.

Haha, ok. Thanks.

[Ronin317]

I'm debating if this is even worth it. I'm still running an AthlonXP 3200+ with 2GB of RAM on XP Pro. I planned on either building a new machine (my PC gaming days are done) or just buying a damn laptop next year with Win7 installed.

Any thoughts? I've been out of the PC upgrading/building scene for a good 5 years at this point. I don't even have a PCI-E board...

[hordak]

Yes you will be able to do that, shouldnt be a problem because I could do it with a vista upgrade disc. Here is a link on your issue. You wont need the serial from xp. What you do is install windows 7, after that is finished you run the setup again within windows 7 and enter your windows 7 product key in that setup.
http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs/paul/archive/2009/06/25/clean-install-with-windows-7-upgrade-media-what-about-x64-upgrades.aspx

Sorry if this is a lame question, but if I get the 64bit version, can I choose when I install 32bit vs. 64bit versions of software. I hear that sometimes, 32bit versions of software don't play well with 64bit versions. For example, a 64bit audio editing program may not properly utilize 32bit plugins. In this case, I would opt to only install the 32bit version of the audio editing program on a 64bit operating system. Does this make sense? I hope you guys can help me. THANKS!

[gamer1233]

Sorry if this is a lame question, but if I get the 64bit version, can I choose when I install 32bit vs. 64bit versions of software. I hear that sometimes, 32bit versions of software don't play well with 64bit versions. For example, a 64bit audio editing program may not properly utilize 32bit plugins. In this case, I would opt to only install the 32bit version of the audio editing program on a 64bit operating system. Does this make sense? I hope you guys can help me. THANKS!I will try to answer your question. All retail copies of windows 7 come with 32 bit and 64 bit so you can choose which to install. As for your 64 bit concern. I dont think you will have problems with 32 bit software on a windows 7 64 install. I have been running windows 7 64 and all of my 32 bit programs work fine, they run in a 32 bit mode. If you do have problems you can always install windows 7 32. Hopefully that helps you.

[turls]

I'm debating if this is even worth it. I'm still running an AthlonXP 3200+ with 2GB of RAM on XP Pro. I planned on either building a new machine (my PC gaming days are done) or just buying a damn laptop next year with Win7 installed.

Any thoughts? I've been out of the PC upgrading/building scene for a good 5 years at this point. I don't even have a PCI-E board...

I'm not sure what you are going to gain from running Win7 on that old of a PC. Some of the compelling reasons to upgrade to Win7/Vista that I see are support for new hardware, gaming, and media center. You probably aren't doing any of that on your rig.

I have 2 dual boot rigs (one desktop and one HTPC), and I run Vista/Win7 on my HTPC but I still have not bothered to upgrade the main family desktop to Vista (I do dual boot into Vista but rarely), but I will probably finally do the switch a few months after Win7 comes out (both PCs are less than 2 years old).

[hordak]

I will try to answer your question. All retail copies of windows 7 come with 32 bit and 64 bit so you can choose which to install. As for your 64 bit concern. I dont think you will have problems with 32 bit software on a windows 7 64 install. I have been running windows 7 64 and all of my 32 bit programs work fine, they run in a 32 bit mode. If you do have problems you can always install windows 7 32. Hopefully that helps you.

Sweet! That makes sense! So, what I don't understand is why the guy in the above post said I needed to get the 64bit version directly for Microsoft. (Sorry, the link seems to be down right now; so, I can't read it again, but I'm referring to this link: http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs/paul/archive/2009/06/25/clean-install-with-windows-7-upgrade-media-what-about-x64-upgrades.aspx )

Again, thank you!

[Wolfpup]

I'm still confused...

Can I take an empty/formated/whatever hard drive, stick the Windows 7 disc in my drive, and install from that, like you used to be able to do with XP? But NOT Vista?

And if you CAN'T do that, does it at least let you totally format the drive that already has Vista installed, so that it's 100% a fresh, clean install?

I do *NOT* want to do an upgrade, as that's always asking for trouble. I always want to do a clean install.

I'm very happy with Vista, but darn it, I'll be jealous if I don't have 7 :p

[gamer1233]

Sweet! That makes sense! So, what I don't understand is why the guy in the above post said I needed to get the 64bit version directly for Microsoft. (Sorry, the link seems to be down right now; so, I can't read it again, but I'm referring to this link: http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs/paul/archive/2009/06/25/clean-install-with-windows-7-upgrade-media-what-about-x64-upgrades.aspx )

Again, thank you!Thats is if you want to upgrade from a 32 bit install of xp and vista to a 64 bit install of windows 7. If you wanted to do that you would need to get it from microsoft. I guess you cant with retail media. I always prefer clean installs instead of upgrading. But it is up to you. If you are going to do a clean install you will be fine. Hope that helps.

[gamer1233]

I'm still confused...

Can I take an empty/formated/whatever hard drive, stick the Windows 7 disc in my drive, and install from that, like you used to be able to do with XP? But NOT Vista?

And if you CAN'T do that, does it at least let you totally format the drive that already has Vista installed, so that it's 100% a fresh, clean install?

I do *NOT* want to do an upgrade, as that's always asking for trouble. I always want to do a clean install.

I'm very happy with Vista, but darn it, I'll be jealous if I don't have 7 :pYes you can http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs/paul/archive/2009/06/25/clean-install-with-windows-7-upgrade-media-what-about-x64-upgrades.aspx What you need to do is install windows 7. Then run the setup again from within windows 7 and enter the windows 7 product key and it will run through the setup again and you will then have a activated copy of windows 7. It is the same process as using a vista upgrade disc, I can get you a link for those instructions if you want me to. Ill post it anyway. http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_upgrade_clean.asp

[Wolfpup]

Okay, thanks. That's roundabout, but I guess if it works without leaving any cruft behind from the previous install.

At least that way if I reinstall 7, I don't have to reinstall Vista first, I guess.

Hmm...hopefully all the drivers and whatnot for my laptop will work okay in 7 too...should, since it's basically the same OS, but...

[hordak]

Thats is if you want to upgrade from a 32 bit install of xp and vista to a 64 bit install of windows 7. If you wanted to do that you would need to get it from microsoft. I guess you cant with retail media. I always prefer clean installs instead of upgrading. But it is up to you. If you are going to do a clean install you will be fine. Hope that helps.

I'm slowly understanding. :) Another couple of questions for clarification if you don't mind: so, if I buy into this upgrade sale, does that mean I'm buying either the 32bit or 64bit version? Or, is it like you say, I get a disc that has both. In either case, I would do a clean install.

[gamer1233]

Okay, thanks. That's roundabout, but I guess if it works without leaving any cruft behind from the previous install.

At least that way if I reinstall 7, I don't have to reinstall Vista first, I guess.

Hmm...hopefully all the drivers and whatnot for my laptop will work okay in 7 too...should, since it's basically the same OS, but...No problem. You shouldnt have a problem with drivers. I have a compaq laptop from 2005 and the windows 7 rc installed everything without a problem. It actually runs faster than windows xp on it for some reason.

[gamer1233]

I'm slowly understanding. :) Another couple of questions for clarification if you don't mind: so, if I buy into this upgrade sale, does that mean I'm buying either the 32bit or 64bit version? Or, is it like you say, I get a disc that has both. In either case, I would do a clean install.It is going to come with both. It is unclear if it is on seperate discs.
edit.

"UPDATE: Long story short, every Windows 7 retail box (except for Home Basic) comes with both 32-bit and 64-bit install discs, according to Microsoft."
http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs/paul/archive/2009/06/26/windows-7-question-of-the-day-do-you-get-32-bit-or-64-bit-discs.aspx

[hordak]

It is going to come with both. It is unclear if it is on seperate discs.
edit.

"UPDATE: Long story short, every Windows 7 retail box (except for Home Basic) comes with both 32-bit and 64-bit install discs, according to Microsoft."
http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs/paul/archive/2009/06/26/windows-7-question-of-the-day-do-you-get-32-bit-or-64-bit-discs.aspx

Perfect! I will end up getting the Pro version without worry... hopefully it will run my XP multimedia apps without issue. Thank you so much for your help!

[Wolfpup]

Dang, now to decide between Home Premium and Pro. I don't log into a domain, already have Virtual PC (it's free!), and don't need to log into my main PC remotely. Only issue with Home Premium I've run into is Outlook and Explorer won't save passwords, which is annoying, but is it worth $50?

Plus I'd be back to using Home Premium probably when I buy a new laptop. Double the price to save passwords...hmm.

[hordak]

Dang, now to decide between Home Premium and Pro. I don't log into a domain, already have Virtual PC (it's free!), and don't need to log into my main PC remotely.

Woah. Woah. Woah. I'm in the same boat you are :) , except I don't have Virtual PC. Are you telling me that I can get Home Premium, download Virtual PC and use my old XP install disc to run XP within Windows 7? (While still achieving the same performance as Windows XP Mode?)

[JP]

Woah. Woah. Woah. I'm in the same boat you are :) , except I don't have Virtual PC. Are you telling me that I can get Home Premium, download Virtual PC and use my old XP install disc to run XP within Windows 7? (While still achieving the same performance as Windows XP Mode?)
Pretty much. However I think the version they have built into Windows 7 Pro has been optimized in some way. I could be wrong on that. I haven't played with that at all on the RC.

[Wolfpup]

Yeah, the only catch is that free Virtual PC is 2007...are they upgrading it to a new version? And if so, is that one going to be free too? (And significantly better?)

As is, it's handy to have Virtual PC, but it's really not for games, more for other oddball programs you have that don't run on 64-bit OSes or the like, or for programs you don't want infecting your main PC. (I've been connecting to my work's VPN through XP through Virtual PC on my Vista system, since I don't want it mucking up my network settings on my real OS.)

[NutManIV]

Thats is if you want to upgrade from a 32 bit install of xp and vista to a 64 bit install of windows 7. If you wanted to do that you would need to get it from microsoft. I guess you cant with retail media. I always prefer clean installs instead of upgrading. But it is up to you. If you are going to do a clean install you will be fine. Hope that helps.

Question: To do a clean install with the upgrade disc would I need a valid XP key? I have more than one XP disc lying around here, but on this computer I had to use a not-so-valid key because I lost my real ones. If I do then I can always get one from a friend, but I'm hoping that it will only need the disc - if anything at all.

[token2k6]

I'm debating if this is even worth it. I'm still running an AthlonXP 3200+ with 2GB of RAM on XP Pro. I planned on either building a new machine (my PC gaming days are done) or just buying a damn laptop next year with Win7 installed.

Any thoughts? I've been out of the PC upgrading/building scene for a good 5 years at this point. I don't even have a PCI-E board...

Well, you do know that if you buy a PC through a participating retailer (which is alot) you qualify for the upgrade for free within 6 months to a year after Win7 comes out. So you may not have to put off buying that new PC just yet..

And everyone here definitely needs to take the plunge (I just laughed to myself reading one persons comment that its a glorified SP - this is not the case!! this is everything Windows should have ever been over any release) I'm running it on a $300 dual-core E-Machine and have had ZERO problems. I love it, my wife loves it, it runs perfectly.

[gamer1233]

Question: To do a clean install with the upgrade disc would I need a valid XP key? I have more than one XP disc lying around here, but on this computer I had to use a not-so-valid key because I lost my real ones. If I do then I can always get one from a friend, but I'm hoping that it will only need the disc - if anything at all.No you wont need a valid xp key.

[NutManIV]

Thanks for answering my questions! I feel much more confident about my purchase now.

[gamer1233]

No problem. The procedure for a clean install on windows 7 will be just like the vista upgrade disc. http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_upgrade_clean.asp

[Nezabyte]

No you wont need a valid xp key.

Do you have a source for that? Someone was saying that the Windows 7 upgrade will check to make sure the current OS is a genuine copy w/ valid key before it'll let you upgrade.

[gamer1233]

You will need a valid key if you upgrade, but not if you clean install. http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs/paul/archive/2009/06/25/clean-install-with-windows-7-upgrade-media-what-about-x64-upgrades.aspx It says the procedure is the same for windows 7 upgrade media as it is for vista. "The answer, I'm told, is ... Yes. You can perform a clean install of Windows 7 with the Upgrade media, as you could with Windows Vista."

This is how it is with vista
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_upgrade_clean.asp

[tyrok3k]

Sorry if this has already been asked (18 pages!) but I have a Laptop with 32bit Vista Ultimate and a PC with 64bit Home Premium. Would I be able to upgrade to Windows 7 Home Premium on both with the same disc and key?

[Wolfpup]

NO. You need to buy two copies...which conveniently would be $100 for the next week or so.

[stack9902]

What system is this game for?


best quote ever! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHA

[Wolfpup]

Waaaait wait wait wait! I just remembered something...

Isn't Microsoft removing DVD/Movie maker and Calendar? I use those programs, and I'm not willing to trade some interesting looking interface changes for those programs!

I remember hearing something like "You can download the Windows Live versions instead!", except I have, and the Windows Live programs with similar names are TOTALLY different and VASTLY worse than what's included with Vista.

I (for some reason) preordered Home AND Pro (why?) but now I'm wondering again...

best quote ever! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHA

Uh...I seriously have no idea what value that original post had, or why it would be funny, but okay...

[Teh Nitwit]

No you wont need a valid xp key.

No problem. The procedure for a clean install on windows 7 will be just like the vista upgrade disc. http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_upgrade_clean.asp

Stop spreading misinformation. You say this as if it were a fact, when it's mere speculation. Win7 upgrade media is not even out yet, so how could anyone know?

You think MS is stupid? That they're not aware of this loophole and/or haven't found a way to deal with it? Like I said earlier, they can just add a check to see if the windows they're replacing is authenticated (or the key is legit).

All the fools purchasing Win7 upgrade thinking they're getting the full version are in for a rude awakening when the OS comes out. Then the morons will whine and bitch on MS. :roll:

[palejackal]

All the fools purchasing Win7 upgrade thinking they're getting the full version are in for a rude awakening when the OS comes out. Then the morons will whine and bitch on MS. :roll:

You might be right, but it's not as if you can't return your unopened copy.

Also, Amazon's Win7 page suggests that operating systems besides XP (and Vista, of course) will require a clean install. That implies that you don't need XP. Amazon could be wrong, of course, but worse case scenario: I return my pre-ordered copy of Win7 if I don't want my XP key to be de-activated.

[Nezabyte]

You will need a valid key if you upgrade, but not if you clean install. http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs/paul/archive/2009/06/25/clean-install-with-windows-7-upgrade-media-what-about-x64-upgrades.aspx It says the procedure is the same for windows 7 upgrade media as it is for vista. "The answer, I'm told, is ... Yes. You can perform a clean install of Windows 7 with the Upgrade media, as you could with Windows Vista."

This is how it is with vista
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_upgrade_clean.asp

That's extremely cool. Thanks to you, I've decided to pre-order the Win7 upgrade :) I'm working on building a new comp, but my current one is using an OEM version of XP. Now I can just use my boyfriend's XP cd and upgrade to Win7 with no problems.

Stop spreading misinformation. You say this as if it were a fact, when it's mere speculation. Win7 upgrade media is not even out yet, so how could anyone know?

Edit: Well, craptastic. Oh well, if that's the case, I suppose I could still cancel.

[blk00civicsi]

Edit: Well, craptastic. Oh well, if that's the case, I suppose I could still cancel.

Don't listen to Nitwit. MS is aware of it but It's been stated that you will need to perform a clean install with certain upgrade paths. You're in the clear. It's almost guaranteed that it can be performed the same way as the Vista Upgrade.

And if MS puts some sort of Disc Check (still highly unlikely) you could sell your copies on eBay and easily make your money back.

[Wolfpup]

I really liked the disc check. Just an easy way to do it. They did that with everything until Vista, and it was faster and you could format your drive first.

[gamer1233]

Waaaait wait wait wait! I just remembered something...

Isn't Microsoft removing DVD/Movie maker and Calendar? I use those programs, and I'm not willing to trade some interesting looking interface changes for those programs!

I remember hearing something like "You can download the Windows Live versions instead!", except I have, and the Windows Live programs with similar names are TOTALLY different and VASTLY worse than what's included with Vista.

I (for some reason) preordered Home AND Pro (why?) but now I'm wondering again...



Uh...I seriously have no idea what value that original post had, or why it would be funny, but okay...I just installed movie maker 2.6 on windows 7 rc from http://www.microsoft.com/DOWNLOADS/details.aspx?FamilyID=d6ba5972-328e-4df7-8f9d-068fc0f80cfc&displaylang=en not sure if that is what you are use to using. It works now but who knows by the time they release it.

[Wolfpup]

Thanks for the link. I'm confused by what it is exactly-it says "this download is for people who's computers can't run the Vista version of Windows Movie Maker-so I'm guessing it's basically the XP one or something, for older hardware running Vista (?)

I hope they don't really remove it from 7, because Movie and DVD maker and Calendar on Vista are all really good :-(

[spoo]

It has been some time since I ordered a pre-order from Amazon. When does Amazon charge your card?

[Neo Queen Serenity]

It has been some time since I ordered a pre-order from Amazon. When does Amazon charge your card?

Amazon charges when the item is ready to ship.

[Malice]

So, what I'm getting here is:

If you don't already have XP/Vista on your PC, it's 50/50 whether you'll be able to do a clean install of Win7 with the upgrade disc.

Right?

If it turns out you can't use it, could I resell it for the same or near the same price as I bought it?

[BowserClownCar]

bit on home premium

thanks op

[plutoknight]

Waaaait wait wait wait! I just remembered something...

Isn't Microsoft removing DVD/Movie maker and Calendar? I use those programs, and I'm not willing to trade some interesting looking interface changes for those programs!

I remember hearing something like "You can download the Windows Live versions instead!", except I have, and the Windows Live programs with similar names are TOTALLY different and VASTLY worse than what's included with Vista.
I think a lot of the extras are being offered as Genuine Windows Downloads, so you can choose what you want instead of the OS sucking up your HD with stuff you DONT want.

As for what version of the program...couldn't tell you.

[Sir_Fragalot]

Here is a question can you use an xp upgrade cd to upgrade to 7?

Yes this is an actual situation, my dad has a windows xp upgrade disc and a copy of 98 still xD.

[Chitown021]

Here is a question can you use an xp upgrade cd to upgrade to 7?

Yes this is an actual situation, my dad has a windows xp upgrade disc and a copy of 98 still xD.


I hope you can. Either that or I hope 7 accepts the Win 98 CD as proof of a prior full version. I have that exact situation with my desktop PC.

[Schmackledorf]

Sorry if this has already been asked (didn't see it in the first 5-6 pages), but I have a question. My laptop came with Vista pre-installed, but due to a registry corruption, I had to do a complete wipe and am now using the Windows 7 RC as my OS. I'm also going to be building my computer in the next few days and considering I don't actually own a copy of XP or Vista, I'm going to be using the Windows 7 beta on that as well. Is the upgrade disc going to work on either of my comps here, or am I going to need the full retail version?

[Justin42]

AFAIK it won't work to upgrade over the Win7 RC (since you didn't pay for it).. so you may be out of luck for an upgrade.

[apokalipze2]

In for home premium. thanks

[Pajama_Man]

Will I be able to upgrade from Vista Business which I got from the university (have legit serial key) to either Home Premium or Professional? Thanks.

[Rig]

I put in for Home Premium. Figure I can use a copy no matter what. If the university offers Windows 7 for free down the road (like they did with XP and Vista), then I didn't really lose much. (And I'll still grab a copy from them.)

[warfox33]

This is probably a dumb question, but will I be able to upgrade from my laptops OEM Vista Home Premium to Windows 7 Professional??
The Windows 7 upgrade compatibility program told me I could only upgrade to Home Premium or Ultimate...it didn't mention Professional at all

[bbf]

All the fools purchasing Win7 upgrade thinking they're getting the full version are in for a rude awakening when the OS comes out. Then the morons will whine and bitch on MS. :roll:

So the smart ones will resell their copy of Win7 upgrade for 75% of the price of it in October (when it will only be available for MSRP) and make a 50% profit over the $50 they paid for it now. ;)

The technical reason why the "loophole" exists has already been discussed, so I won't repeat it.

[luminus]

This is probably a dumb question, but will I be able to upgrade from my laptops OEM Vista Home Premium to Windows 7 Professional??
The Windows 7 upgrade compatibility program told me I could only upgrade to Home Premium or Ultimate...it didn't mention Professional at all

You can definitely "upgrade" with a clean install. (i.e. back up your docs yourself and then restore it afterwards.) This works for any version of Windows 2k/XP/Vista to any version of Win7. i.e. you get a clean install at the discounted "upgrade" price.

As for the "upgrade", as in, have the installer automagically port all your apps and settings to the new OS, I believe it should work too. Anything SKU that's equivalent / above should work. They probably didn't list Professional because Professional SKU was announced later on. Probably didn't exist at the time they wrote that app.

[doubledown]

Will I be able to upgrade from Vista Business which I got from the university (have legit serial key) to either Home Premium or Professional? Thanks.

I'm in the same boat. I believe you can "downgrade" from Business to Home Premium, but you will have to do a clean install. I saw that somewhere on the web, but don't feel like looking. Now, how they go about it is unknown to me. I prefer clean installs anyways for an OS.

[warfox33]

You can definitely "upgrade" with a clean install. (i.e. back up your docs yourself and then restore it afterwards.) This works for any version of Windows 2k/XP/Vista to any version of Win7. i.e. you get a clean install at the discounted "upgrade" price.

As for the "upgrade", as in, have the installer automagically port all your apps and settings to the new OS, I believe it should work too. Anything SKU that's equivalent / above should work. They probably didn't list Professional because Professional SKU was announced later on. Probably didn't exist at the time they wrote that app.

Ok thanks, that makes sense. Would a clean install be equivalent to using my recovery discs? Or is there another procedure?

p.s. Did you mean to say "automagically?" Its a pretty catchy word regardless.

[Monsta Mack]

Now I'm hearing I won't be able to upgrade my system that's pre-installed cuz it didn't come with a install disc? I thought we been over this before.

I did the Windows 7 checker and said I'm fine.

[Nogib]

You definitely can NOT use the Upgrade edition of Windows 7 to do a clean install:

"In order to install the upgrade version of Windows 7, you must have a qualifying Windows operating system installed and activated. You cannot install an upgrade version of Windows 7 on a blank hard drive. The installation procedure does not ask you to insert a Windows disc in the drive for verification, the actual qualifying operating system must be installed."

It sounds like loophole that worked for the Vista Upgrade edition has been plugged in Windows 7 since existing OS has to have been activated. Cheating by installing without key and re-installing again ain't gonna work.

[morphineseason]

I saw that newegg is offering a deal where if you buy Vista, you get Windows 7 for free. Anyone know how that deal works? If I buy Vista Ultimate, do they send me Windows 7 ultimate?

[Vegan]

I think all Vista purchasers get a Win7 upgrade at this point.

[Teh Nitwit]

You definitely can NOT use the Upgrade edition of Windows 7 to do a clean install:

"In order to install the upgrade version of Windows 7, you must have a qualifying Windows operating system installed and activated. You cannot install an upgrade version of Windows 7 on a blank hard drive. The installation procedure does not ask you to insert a Windows disc in the drive for verification, the actual qualifying operating system must be installed."

It sounds like loophole that worked for the Vista Upgrade edition has been plugged in Windows 7 since existing OS has to have been activated. Cheating by installing without key and re-installing again ain't gonna work.

Exactly, just as I've been saying. Here is confirmation:
http://blogs.chron.com/techblog/archives/2009/07/a_major_windows_7_upgrade_question_gets_an_an.html

[kylerg]

Who cares. Minor inconvenience for an otherwise good deal nonetheless.

[lllGurulll]

This is a more clear answer...

If you are running the Windows 7 Release Candidate, and you have activated it, you will not need to reinstall an older version of Windows before using an Windows 7 upgrade disk.
However, you will not be able to do an upgrade installation, in which your existing programs and data are left in place. Instead, you'll have to do what Microsoft calls a custom installation. This is essentially a clean install, but your existing operating system, programs and data are squirreled away in a folder labeled WINDOWS.OLD. You end up with a fresh Windows 7 setup, but you can access that folder to get to any needed data. (Sorry, the programs in there won't work - you'll need to reinstall them.)
That's good news for folks who worried they'd have to do two operating system installations to get the final version of Windows 7 on their PCs.
But there's a catch. If for some reason you later need to reinstall the finished version of Windows 7 from scratch using the upgrade copy you bought, you'll first need to install and activate Windows XP or Vista.

[J7.]

Can you use the cd your PC came with that has Windows XP or Vista on it, or do you need an actual standalone Windows XP or Vista disc to be able to use the upgrade?

[Justin42]

The fact it will upgrade over Win7 RC is huge... and a big plus. Sure, you may have issues down the line, but that's what backups are for, right?

And the fact it upgrades from Windows 2000 is interesting, since they never had activation. I wonder if it will somehow keep track of "used" W2K serial numbers as part of the 7 upgrade activation process?

[thextreme1]

Premium for me a few days ago. I have Vista 64, so upgrade is fine for me. An upgrade is an upgrade, if you have a legitimate copy of Windows XP or Vista... Buy it. Not sure why those who have beta copies of 7 or hacked copies of XP and Vista or even asking questions about the upgrade. Seriously, both XP Pro and Vista Pro 64 only cost me $100 each via Newegg or Ebay. and that was for the full version. If you cant afford full copies of any of the OS's, dont bitch because you cant upgrade.

Piracy only costs legitimate consumers more in the long run. While it may seem tempting to download free copies of anything, you only hurt your chance of buying at a decent cost in the future. Or running into DRM issues, which you will also bitch about. Reward developers for their work, that is the beauty of demo's. If you like it, buy it, if you dont... dont.

[aquaboy1976]

Exactly, just as I've been saying. Here is confirmation:
http://blogs.chron.com/techblog/archives/2009/07/a_major_windows_7_upgrade_question_gets_an_an.html

Thanks for the link, very helpful!

[Ryouko]

This deal is dead now... the same day my paycheck finally cleared. =_= Guess not my day.

[Waru]

ARRRG can't believe I missed this ..

[joeboosauce]

I read a while ago when the beta was out that Windows 7 would be a FREE upgrade for those that bought the pile of shit that is Vista. That only seems fair since this new OS came out pretty soon after Vista. So, now they ARE charging you guys?!?!? That is so wrong. I can understand charging XP users but for the Vista people that is wrong.

[morphineseason]

ERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. I totally didn't notice that this was ending yesterday. Ironically enough, I just got ahold of an OEM disc of XP Home and was able to use the key from the back of my computer. I finally had legitimate Windows on my machine again and was planning on ordering this today. This is so frustrating.

Anyone know if there's any places out there that maybe forgot to take the sale down by any chance?

[indianajonz]

This deal is dead now... the same day my paycheck finally cleared. =_= Guess not my day.


you should have preordered it beforehand. most of the sites won't charge you until it ships, which means you wouldn't pay for it until october...

[BloodiestCadaver]

Which is what I did. I just finally installed Windows 7 Beta and I am enjoying it. Sure this should have been Vista and sure it may not be your super sleek Mac OS, but you still have plenty of people who don't give a hoot about a Mac. They just want a decent Windows OS and isn't a total crap fest. so far I think 7 will be a great OS, but it will probably always be remembered as what Vista should have been.

[gamer1233]

http://hothardware.com/News/Rules-for-Windows-7-Upgrades-Verified/

That is our answers for the upgrade paths. I guess the method used in vista no longer works. Sorry for posting false information. Not sure that I will keep my pre orders since I like to do clean installs.

[Owen]

You can still do a clean install as it will just put all the old files into a directory to delete later, unless you mean you format your drive before you install a new OS as some people have different definitions of a clean install.

[gamer1233]

Yes I meant format my hard drive, then install.

[PikaPichu]

This deal is dead right?

[Chitown021]

This deal is dead right?



Correct. It ended on the 11th.

[VipFREAK]

Son of a... guess I'm stuck with FAIL Vista.

[lllGurulll]

Son of a... guess I'm stuck with FAIL Vista.
Just curious, to those that didn't order on day one, why not? Amazon, Newegg and Microsoft websites were not going to charge you until the day the product released in October.

[cheaphuck]

Yeah, how did you guys manage to miss this deal if you truly wanted it?

[VipFREAK]

I have been using XP just fine on my computers, but I just bought a newerish laptop yesterday and it came with Vista... I guess it was inevitable. So, that's why I was "interested" in Windoze 7 otherwise, I wouldn't have given a rats arse.

[Justin42]

Did your newerish laptop come with the Win 7 upgrade program? Or did you not buy it NEW, new?

[VipFREAK]

No, it was off eBay.

[Staind204]

Guess I am stuck with Vista too. Anyone know of a site that hasn't changed the price yet?

[Wolfpup]

http://hothardware.com/News/Rules-for-Windows-7-Upgrades-Verified/

That is our answers for the upgrade paths. I guess the method used in vista no longer works. Sorry for posting false information. Not sure that I will keep my pre orders since I like to do clean installs.

That's lame. Why do they care?

Well, I guess I'll keep my preorders in for a bit longer, but I'll cancel if they don't change so I can do an easy clean install. Vista works fine anyway, and it's not like I was looking forward to having to install a new OS.

[gamer1233]

A comment on the page by dr.tj said this and suggest we will be able to format and clean install unless I am reading it wrong.

"My point about the "custom installation" is that the article writer seems to think that you can't get a "clean install" unless you have the RC already installed. In fact, the option for a "clean install" is always available to you. And it's actually required for XP to Win 7, and 32bit to 64bit upgrades. In fact, an inplace upgrade which leaves old crap on your system is only available if you are going from Vista 32bit to Win7 32bit, or Vista 64bit to Win7 64bit. Those are the ONLY scenarios where you even have the option to do an upgrade which leaves old crap on your hard drive. Just because the activated OS is required to be there at first doesn't mean the upgrade process will have to use any of the old files.
This refutes the two complaints that the article writer listed. You will always have the option to not use the old stuff in the new installation and you won't have to keep your old media around.
The only drawback to the changes are for those who wanted to end up with two license and for those who have their copy of Vista sitting in a box on their desk instead of installed. Tough cookies for the first group and a minor TEMPORARY inconvenience for the second."

Who knows if it is true or not.

[blk00civicsi]

A comment on the page by dr.tj said this and suggest we will be able to format and clean install unless I am reading it wrong.

"My point about the "custom installation" is that the article writer seems to think that you can't get a "clean install" unless you have the RC already installed. In fact, the option for a "clean install" is always available to you. And it's actually required for XP to Win 7, and 32bit to 64bit upgrades. In fact, an inplace upgrade which leaves old crap on your system is only available if you are going from Vista 32bit to Win7 32bit, or Vista 64bit to Win7 64bit. Those are the ONLY scenarios where you even have the option to do an upgrade which leaves old crap on your hard drive. Just because the activated OS is required to be there at first doesn't mean the upgrade process will have to use any of the old files.
This refutes the two complaints that the article writer listed. You will always have the option to not use the old stuff in the new installation and you won't have to keep your old media around.
The only drawback to the changes are for those who wanted to end up with two license and for those who have their copy of Vista sitting in a box on their desk instead of installed. Tough cookies for the first group and a minor TEMPORARY inconvenience for the second."

Who knows if it is true or not.

We'll all know 10/22. MS is putting up a smoke screen because they're trying to fool users into buying a full version over an upgrade. It's guaranteed to get a ton of people to fall for it.

[gamer1233]

We'll all know 10/22. MS is putting up a smoke screen because they're trying to fool users into buying a full version over an upgrade. It's guaranteed to get a ton of people to fall for it.True, I have legal copies of windows on all of my computers i want to upgrade so I am not worried about that. I just whish they wouldnt deactivate our xp and vista keys. Actually doesnt matter with my computers because my dell computers are pre activated, I have no idea what my real cd keys are.

[Justin42]

The latest thing I'm reading (on various blogs, and in the comments on the HotHardware link listed) is that the MS activation servers will "remember" your upgrade status.. so if you ever do try to reinstall Windows 7 and use a key you previously used to upgrade, the servers SHOULD (this is MS, they'll find a way to botch this) link your keys (the "used" key for XP/Vista and the upgrade key) and allow you to upgrade without having anything installed...

Pretty decent if it's for real and works.

[blk00civicsi]

True, I have legal copies of windows on all of my computers i want to upgrade so I am not worried about that. I just whish they wouldnt deactivate our xp and vista keys. Actually doesnt matter with my computers because my dell computers are pre activated, I have no idea what my real cd keys are.

You should have a sticker somewhere on the back/sides/bottom of the machine that has your serial. Plus if you work for a larger corporation that have a large fleet of computers you have yourself a goldmine of serials. My company uses 1 specific image to flash our machines so all of the serials on the boxes aren't even in use. I have about 50+ serials for XP Pro. Couple that with my disc I have an endless use. So if they "deactivate" the key just grab one off your nearest computer at work.

[jimmyt05]

Ok, one question. Since I'll pretty much have to do an upgrade instead of a clean install, will I still need to back up my data? I'm pretty sure it's a good idea to do so, but the less work I have to do, the better.

[VipFREAK]

It's probably a good idea regardless, this is micro$hit afterall we are talking about...

[J7.]

My computer came with a cd that I think has all the files and the OS, (it's not just a Windows disc). Will I have any problems or will my Windows key be deactivated? If it's deactivated when I put Windows 7 on my machine, wth do I do if I need to reinstall my old OS or Windows 7? I don't know if what justin said applies to my situation.

[J7.]

Anyone know the answer to the above question? Anyone else getting cold feet as the release nears?

[blk00civicsi]

Anyone know the answer to the above question? Anyone else getting cold feet as the release nears?

I can't speak for the Upgrade version but the Retail Version from Technet did not prompt me for any previous serials. I don't think anyone knows of the outcome until they get their hands on the Upgrade Version.

My hopes go out for you... Hopefully it'll be like the Vista upgrade or even like Snow Leopard. (That one turned out to be a full retail version. No upgrade in sight)

[Oktoberfest]

Ok, one question. Since I'll pretty much have to do an upgrade instead of a clean install, will I still need to back up my data? I'm pretty sure it's a good idea to do so, but the less work I have to do, the better.

depends... if you're going from any version of XP, you will have to do a clean install. If you're on Vista, you probably don't have to (going from 32-bit to 64-bit and vice versa will require clean install though). One more condition is if you're going "backwards" in OS versions. Like if you're going from Vista Ultimate to 7 Home Premium, you'll need a clean install. Going from say Vista Home Premium to 7 Ultimate will not, however.

[Wolfpup]

Still don't know if I'm doing this, as I guess it lacks Windows DVD/Movie maker (nothing I'm aware of would replace them for me, even if I had $500 to spend on them), and reinstalling is a pain. (Have to worry "will PowerDVD, Office 2007 reactive?" I fraking hate activation.)

[J7.]

Better Deal for some: MS Offering Windows 7 Upgrade for $30 to college students, includes Home Premium or Professional! It says its a download, does this mean Amazon's deal is a download as well & not a physical product???

Microsoft today announced students would be able to purchase upgrade versions of Windows 7 for a significantly reduced price until January 3, 2010 at 12:00am CST. A valid e-mail address given by a college or university must be used. An e-mail will be sent telling the student if he or she qualifies for the discount. Eligible students are allowed to purchase one copy of either Windows 7 Home Premium or Windows 7 Professional from the online store. The discount price applies to the following countries: the UK (http://www.microsoft.com/uk/windows/studentoffer/default.aspx) (£30) and the US (http://windows7.digitalriver.com/store/mswpus/en_US/) ($30). More information is available at win741.com (http://www.win741.com/), a site just launched today that is dedicated to advertising Windows 7 to students.

"In the US, students can pre-order their copy of Windows 7 beginning September 17th and can download the OS beginning on October 22nd (general availability)," a Microsoft spokesperson confirmed with Ars. For US students, we checked and saw that they need to have a .edu e-mail address or be attending one of the 158 schools (http://windows7.digitalriver.com/store/mswpus/ContentTheme/pbPage.Schools) Microsoft lists. "Students in the UK can pre-order their copy beginning on September 30th for download on October 22nd. Students in Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Korea, and Mexico can participate in this offer on October 22nd. In most markets, the offer ends on January 3rd (in Australia the offer is available until March 31st)."

Many college and university students can already get Windows 7 Professional for free through the MSDN Academic Alliance (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/academic/default.aspx) (MSDNAA) but this is offer is aimed at those who cannot. This deal reminds us most of the Ultimate Steal (http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2007/09/microsoft-offers-ultimate-steal-office-2007-promotion-to-students.ars) discounts for Microsoft Office the company also offers to students.
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/09/microsoft-massively-discounts-windows-7-for-students.ars

[Wolfpup]

It's semi-unclear as to whether that covers faculty/staff too, or can just be gotten straight from Microsoft. Potentially really good, particularly if you're still stuck on XP.

[Sk]

It's semi-unclear as to whether that covers faculty/staff too, or can just be gotten straight from Microsoft. Potentially really good, particularly if you're still stuck on XP.

It seems all you need is a .edu email (so if you're faculty you should be fine with a .edu email). M$ says they may need more proof, but I was confirmed for the offer in 2 seconds via email.

[Wolfpup]

Yeah, after rereading it it sounds like it's fairly specific, and I *guess* I'm not covered.

I also found this:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/academic/dd795227.aspx

Hopefully that link is right. Looks like some students and faculty/staff can actually get Windows 7 and other software FREE, but the requirements for that are SUPER specific, and I guess I don't qualify for that either (maybe). But still, check if you're in college, because it looks like some would!

Oh well...guess I'm doing the $50 or $100 upgrade...maybe. Still haven't totally decided, because it's such a hassle reinstalling, and then I think "well, by the time I add a new hard drive and a new OS, I should just put that towards a new laptop" blah blah blah. Not sure. If I didn't already have Vista though (or if junk didn't have activation now, where I'm not sure I'll even be able to get things back where they are now). Pluuuus I really like Windows Movie/DVD maker that got cut :bomb::bomb:

[blk00civicsi]

Yeah, after rereading it it sounds like it's fairly specific, and I *guess* I'm not covered.

I also found this:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/academic/dd795227.aspx

Hopefully that link is right. Looks like some students and faculty/staff can actually get Windows 7 and other software FREE, but the requirements for that are SUPER specific, and I guess I don't qualify for that either (maybe). But still, check if you're in college, because it looks like some would!

Oh well...guess I'm doing the $50 or $100 upgrade...maybe. Still haven't totally decided, because it's such a hassle reinstalling, and then I think "well, by the time I add a new hard drive and a new OS, I should just put that towards a new laptop" blah blah blah. Not sure. If I didn't already have Vista though (or if junk didn't have activation now, where I'm not sure I'll even be able to get things back where they are now). Pluuuus I really like Windows Movie/DVD maker that got cut :bomb::bomb:

Man Wolf,

You're really hung up on Movie Maker not being included anymore. There has to be better programs out there. I'm sure Ashampoo has a program that suits your needs. Don't hate on Win7 just for that portion alone.

[schultzed]

It's semi-unclear as to whether that covers faculty/staff too, or can just be gotten straight from Microsoft. Potentially really good, particularly if you're still stuck on XP.

I hadn't thought much about this. I wasn't excited about Vista so I waited and got it on a new PC (after the service pack). But years ago, I was able to sign out a copy of XP at school (likewise I'm always able to get the latest version of Office).

I wonder if this will be true with 7????

MS has had a deal with the UW schools in Wisconsin as well as the technical college system (where I teach).

[J7.]

http://www.pcworld.com/article/17250...nce_tests.html (http://www.pcworld.com/article/172509/windows_7_performance_tests.html)

http://www.pcworld.com/zoom?id=17250...able&zoomIdx=3 (http://www.pcworld.com/zoom?id=172509&page=1&type=table&zoomIdx=3)
PCWorld compared Windows 7 to Windows Vista and it doesn't look like Windows 7 is much of an improvement at all & in some cases it is worse than Vista:

"Windows 7 is consistently slower than Vista at launching applications.
In every timed application-launch test we performed, Windows 7 took anywhere from a trivial 0.7 second to nearly 7 seconds longer than Vista to open a program."

[Wolfpup]

That doesn't jive with what Maximum PC's been saying, or even particularly make sense.

There are some cases it's slower than Vista, but on the whole it seems competent, and is supposed to FEEL snappier than XP or Vista (and Vista, despite the weird hate, is faster than XP for gaming now-where it counts anyway).

[carn311]

Im running the beta version of 7. It is substantially faster than vista. Huge improvement overall IMO.

I call BS on that review.

[Wolfpup]

I still want to know if it comes with Windows DVD and Movie maker. I heard some rumor they were being removed (to be "replaced" by a completely different crappy download version), which probably means I'll cancel my order.

[smoger]

in my experience with 7, it feels about the same as Vista on a modern/competent system, and far snappier than Vista on a slightly dated system.

the new taskbar is a revolution in usability and probably worth at least the discounted price alone.

[Wolfpup]

I'm kind of iffy on it, since I like the task bar MUCH more than the dock...but then I haven't used it yet.

Won't install 'till I find out if it removes those programs :(

[Rig]

I still want to know if it comes with Windows DVD and Movie maker. I heard some rumor they were being removed (to be "replaced" by a completely different crappy download version), which probably means I'll cancel my order.

I'm running Windows 7 Professional (the non-beta/non-RC version) and I don't remember seeing those anywhere in it. I'll check again when I get home tonight.

Before someone shouts "Pirate!", I am a part of the MSDN through the college I graduated from. They put up the version a week or so ago. Got myself a 32-bit key, and a 64-bit key for Professional. Too bad I don't have a 64-bit processor. :l

[Wolfpup]

Thanks! That would be awesome if you can check.

I looked into some of the programs MS has, but it doesn't look like I qualify for anything cheaper...well, except actually I think...oh I'm confused by all of it, oh well :lol:

[Rig]

I'm home...and I don't see either of those programs listed. However, Movie Maker is a part of the Windows Live Essentials. I don't know if that's what you're looking for or not. (http://download.live.com/moviemaker)

EDIT: I'm either an idiot, or I'm blind. :lol:

Windows DVD Maker is on here. Completely overlooked it in the All Programs area!

[Wolfpup]

Oh cool! So they are both on there? That is WONDERFUL! They're actually awesome programs because they both work for what I want, and they're easy enough that *I* can use them. Everything else I've used is unstable, doesn't support MPEG2, and is confusing as heck.

Well if they're both on there, that makes me a LOT more excited to try 7....later this month I guess!

That download Movie Maker is a totally different, a lot more primitive program. I don't understand why Microsoft didn't START from the built-in program and build on that, instead of reinventing everything with a different team for that web program.

[MrDubbs]

Hell, my copy of Vista takes much longer to boot then that article claims. I hope 7 is faster at booting.

[J7.]

How well will Windows 7 run games that are made to run on XP/Vista?

[Wolfpup]

It's basically the same OS as Vista, so anything that runs on Vista should run on 7 just fine too, which is most stuff. Probably a bigger issue is if you're running a 64-bit version of Vista/7. Most stuff runs fine on it too, but there are some things that don't yet (like much of Gametap's library last I checked).

In terms of performance, Vista's usually better than XP, and 7 is kind of similar, sometimes better, sometimes worse. Not sure there's really a super clear cut winner between all of them.

[J7.]

Everyone who has a .edu email address should call up MS, see if their eligible, and order the full version of Win 7 for $30 direct download/$35 shipped on disc and cancel their Amazon $50 upgrade version purchase. http://store.microsoft.com/microsoft/Windows-7-Home-Premium/product/7ADA0BF6

[Rig]

Oh cool! So they are both on there? That is WONDERFUL! They're actually awesome programs because they both work for what I want, and they're easy enough that *I* can use them. Everything else I've used is unstable, doesn't support MPEG2, and is confusing as heck.

Well if they're both on there, that makes me a LOT more excited to try 7....later this month I guess!

That download Movie Maker is a totally different, a lot more primitive program. I don't understand why Microsoft didn't START from the built-in program and build on that, instead of reinventing everything with a different team for that web program.

Just got back to this thread, and saw this.

Maybe I worded my previous post wrong. I don't think Movie Maker was included. I actually remember downloading it...though I've never used any version of it before. I'm thinking it's not included.

But, I'm sure Windows DVD Maker is on there right from the start. Sorry for the confusion.

[galaknight]

Anyone know if the $50 pre-order deal is still live anywhere? My pre-order over at amazon got canceled and I'm looking for two copies.

[Wolfpup]

Any idea why your preorder got canceled?

[Wolfpup]

Just got back to this thread, and saw this.

Maybe I worded my previous post wrong. I don't think Movie Maker was included. I actually remember downloading it...though I've never used any version of it before. I'm thinking it's not included.

But, I'm sure Windows DVD Maker is on there right from the start. Sorry for the confusion.

Thanks Rig!

Dang...I installed the "Windows Live Movie Maker" (which is separate from Vista's Windows Movie Maker) to try it out. I figured out how to edit stuff-it's not as good as Vista's built in program, but it's easier than anything else I've used aside from that...

But it's project files don't import into Windows DVD Maker. At least not Vista's.

Soooo maybe I need to ask on the Tivo forums if there's any other program that both works and is EASY to use. There's this Videoredo, but I tried it and it's way too confusing for me.

Not sure what I'll do if Windows 7 really doesn't have this built in (although surely 7's DVD Maker can import project files from the download Live Movie Maker? If it can't, what's it for? :lol: )

[galaknight]

Yeah, I contacted Amazon and got it fixed.