Windows 7 Upgrade 50% Off (Home Premium = $50 / Pro = $100) Pre-order - Amazon [Mobile/Archive]

jstew9

06-25-2009, 12:43 PM

Amazon
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade (http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-Home-Premium-Upgrade/dp/B002DHLUWK/ref=sr_tr_1?ie=UTF8&s=aps&qid=1246000774&sr=8-1) $49.99
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional Upgrade (http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-7-Professional-Upgrade/dp/B002DHGM50/ref=sr_tr_2?ie=UTF8&s=aps&qid=1246000774&sr=8-2) $99.99

Not a game specifically, so if this is in the wrong forum I appologize, but since I know I'm upgrading off of Vista to Win7 on my primary (gaming) system as soon as it is available I thought I'd share the article I just read.

Starting tomorrow (June 26) at Amazon and Best Buy you will be able to pre-order Windows 7 Premium and Professional for 1/2 off their retail price:

* The program kicks off tomorrow, June 26, in the United States, Canada, and Japan. It’s scheduled to end July 11 in the U.S. and Canada and on July 5 in Japan—”or while supplies last,” Microsoft notes.
* The discount is 50% or more over the normal estimated retail price (ERP) of the two mainstream consumer editions. In the United States, you’ll be able to buy a Windows 7 Home Premium upgrade for $50 or get Windows 7 Professional for $100. Outside the U.S., Microsoft says, “the special low pre-order price will vary by country.”
* The offer is available online at Best Buy and Amazon.com. The online Microsoft Store will match these discounted prices instead of sticking with the full list price.
* If you live in the United Kingdom, France, or Germany, the pre-order period will open on July 15 and close on August 15—or while supplies last.
Source: ZNet announcement of the deal (http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=1090&tag=nl.e539).

Hope this is of interest to people.

Note: I searched and found no mention of the deal specifically so sorry in advance if this is a double post.

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LinkinPrime Edit:

Here's the official info from Microsoft:

It's pretty simple

Windows 7 is coming on October 22, 2009. Here's an easy way to get it fast and save a bundle: Pre-order a Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade for $49** or a Windows 7 Professional Upgrade for $99.** That's about half off the estimated retail prices. This offer is available through participating retailers. Pick one below and pre-order today. They'll tell you how to get your copy when Windows 7 is available.
Then sit back and smile. You scored.

Participating retailers

Come back on June 26, 2009 to find the retailers supporting the Pre-order offer

System requirements

1GHz or faster 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor
1GB RAM (32-bit) / 2GB RAM (64-bit)
16GB available disk space (32-bit) / 20GB (64-bit)
DirectX 9 graphics processor with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver

Windows 7 Upgrade Advisor can help you determine which features and editions of Windows 7 will run on your computer; visit the Windows 7 Upgrade Advisor page (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/upgrade-advisor.aspx).

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/buy/offers/pre-order.aspx

Monsta Mack

06-25-2009, 12:45 PM

$50 upgrade for Windows 7 seems pretty good.

rdogg1026

06-25-2009, 12:46 PM

What system is this game for?

sergioalb64

06-25-2009, 12:47 PM

joec

06-25-2009, 12:48 PM

In for 1 copy of Home Premium, don't think ill need the XP compatibility mode in the Pro version.

Arcturiang

06-25-2009, 12:49 PM

Smart thing to do I guess would be to preorder it now but wait until the first service pack/drivers to show up before you install it.

BULL_Ship

06-25-2009, 12:50 PM

Interested; a ?:
- How likely is it for my current rig to function normally under the new Windows 7? Is it possible to get program / hardware incompatibilities, perhaps with graphics cards, mobos / CPUs, or other hardware?

I have a top-of-the-line rig for 3D renders using 3DS Max / Maya, an Intel Quad Core Q9650, a GTX280 card.

Also, will this be available in x64? My guess is 'yes, of course, you dummy', but I just want to make sure :)

Why not try the release candidate with a spare hard drive. The RC is very stable and seems to have the drivers for everything.

This seems like an awesome deal I am definitely getting a copy for my htpc.

techstar25

06-25-2009, 12:50 PM

It's worth $50 to save the hassle of going the, um, "Captain Jack Sparrow" route. ;)

stoned99

06-25-2009, 12:51 PM

It's far superior to Vista, so if you hate Vista buy this upgrade.

degenerazn

06-25-2009, 12:52 PM

Is the $50 upgrade a one time thing? Do I get a disc? What if I want to reformat in the future?

Bogard

06-25-2009, 12:53 PM

I've been checking out Windows 7 since beta, and it's been great so far. Safe to say, I'm buying it.

BULL_Ship

06-25-2009, 12:54 PM

Is the $50 upgrade a one time thing? Do I get a disc? What if I want to reformat in the future?

Yes you get a disc.

On formatting, The way xp did it was you put in an older windows disc to verify that you are upgrading

Vinny

06-25-2009, 12:56 PM

Is the $50 upgrade a one time thing? Do I get a disc? What if I want to reformat in the future?

I'm interested in knowing this stuff as well. The last time I had an upgrade version of an OS was Window ME and needless to say, I only did the "upgrade" once and then reverted back to 98 within a month.

mietha

06-25-2009, 12:57 PM

carn311

06-25-2009, 12:57 PM

THANK YOU for posting this here!

Will probably jump on two licences.

carn311

06-25-2009, 12:59 PM

BTW for those on the fence:

Im currently running one of the early versions of 7 on my POS laptop and it runs extremely fast. Seriously, it puts vista to shame.

LinkinPrime

06-25-2009, 01:05 PM

I haven't had any problems with Vista and I actually prefer the look of Vista to 7, but It's still tempting.

goonchy

06-25-2009, 01:10 PM

I will have to ask the "old lady", but this might be a good upgrade for our Windows Media Center PC. Has anyone compared the MCE on Win7 vs Vista?

GaveUpTomorrow

06-25-2009, 01:12 PM

Um, good, I guess, but when was the last time MS released a version of Windows that wasn't totally fucked right off the bat (or in the case of 2000/me, pretty much forever)? Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure they've NEVER released a fully functioning product. I vaguely recall problems with 3.1... Thanks for the heads-up, but I'll pass. Honestly, I can't believe so many people are willing to jump on it that fast.

There are so many people interested because we've all been running the release candidate for a few months now and even in beta form, Windows 7 runs flawlessly. I use it as my main O.S. right now with no problems. This could be the first version of Windows that ships out running how an O.S. should. Unless they drastically change it from the current Beta version and really screw something up, then you're safe buying it early.

blackhole82

06-25-2009, 01:12 PM

awesome. i'm definitely in for the $50 version

Ryukahn

06-25-2009, 01:15 PM

Do either of these let you install Windows 7 on multiple PCs? I really don't like Vista at all so I'm definitely interested.

newlu

06-25-2009, 01:21 PM

Nah..I'll stick with my XP but thanks for the heads up.

Owen

06-25-2009, 01:26 PM

Here is a helpful link for those that want to compare what each edition of Windows 7 includes.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/compare-editions

n00bstocks

06-25-2009, 01:27 PM

It appears that both versions listed on the MS page are "upgrades". Are they not offering a version where you don't need an older disc to upgrade from?

Darrith

06-25-2009, 01:28 PM

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but is the $50 "upgrade" good if you're upgrading from XP to 7, or just from Vista?

strongpimphand

06-25-2009, 01:30 PM

I'd need the full disk....not an upgrade disk

because umm....I'm captain jack sparrowin' my laptop right now...

Shimrra

06-25-2009, 01:32 PM

Yes you get a disc.

On formatting, The way xp did it was you put in an older windows disc to verify that you are upgrading

Oh snap Im in deep crap then since my rig was custom built and i bought off someone.

Not sure what to do, anyone got an suggestions?

Since you can pre-order this thru Best Buy any chance you can do in-store pick up?

SoulFinder

06-25-2009, 01:42 PM

From what i have read the 'upgrade' option only works for vista > windows 7. So i'll have to buy the full license since i'm still running XP. If anyone reads otherwise let me know.

mastermind

06-25-2009, 01:44 PM

Is it worth the extra money to get the professional version for the XP mode?

stoned99

06-25-2009, 01:51 PM

You cannot upgrade to Windows 7 from XP or MCE. You must upgrade to Vista then Windows 7. I know it sucks, but thats what you have to do!!

kart007k

06-25-2009, 01:52 PM

This is M$ was of saying, sorry for Vista Fiasco.

hobbie8046

06-25-2009, 02:03 PM

Sweet. Will definitely get the Home Premium.

groundskeeper

06-25-2009, 02:06 PM

Jodou

06-25-2009, 02:08 PM

It's far superior to Vista, so if you hate Vista buy this upgrade.
Vista users should get this for free. . .

groundskeeper

06-25-2009, 02:10 PM

Since I will be managing Pro stations at work and it still has the digital media features I am getting that version. Plus I could see using the Windows XP mode in some cases as well. I should download this and test but I did not like that RDP was removed from the Vista Home Premium, anyone know if it is left out of Windows 7 Home Premium as well?

Nevermind the RDP is still client only in the Home Premium. I like to run my main computer from a few laptops outside my office and I hate using VNC and a few of the other remote desktop tools.

jstew9

06-25-2009, 02:14 PM

You cannot upgrade to Windows 7 from XP or MCE. You must upgrade to Vista then Windows 7. I know it sucks, but thats what you have to do!!According to this article at Ars Technica (http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/06/windows-7-pricing-announced-cheaper-than-vista.ars) you can purchase and use an upgrade version for XP -> Win7. However you have to do a new install.

From the article:Windows XP users need to know that regardless of which edition they currently have installed (Windows XP Home, Windows XP Professional, or Windows XP Media Center Edition) and regardless of which edition of Windows 7 they are moving to (Home Premium, Professional , or Ultimate), they will need to perform a clean install, whether they buy the upgrade or full version.

The installer will verify that XP is genuine and Windows 7 will have to be installed on the same partition as the XP installation. The good news is that Microsoft is allowing XP users to buy the cheaper upgrade version if they want to (Microsoft typically lets owners of the two previous releases of Windows to do this, in this case XP and Vista)

So you can buy the cheaper upgrade version, but you'll be doing a full install.

Green Card200

06-25-2009, 02:17 PM

Does it matter which one you are upgrading from? I have Vista Ultimate so I paid more for my OS than those with Home - do I pay the same price as them?

Lawyers Guns N Money

06-25-2009, 02:17 PM

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but is the $50 "upgrade" good if you're upgrading from XP to 7, or just from Vista?
According to their FAQ: (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/buy/offers/pre-order-faq.aspx)

Microsoft designed Windows 7 Upgrade media for Windows Vista. A customer with Windows XP can purchase Windows 7 Upgrade media but must back up their files, clean install, and then reinstall their applications.

06-25-2009, 02:18 PM

Thanks for this, will be getting the professional edition. At least this time the professional edition has all the media options, unlike the business vista editions. Stupid Vista versions.

Darrith

06-25-2009, 02:18 PM

I'll be getting two upgrades then, if I can do it from XP. I don't mind doing a full/clean install. I just skipped Vista all together.

anarchyburger

06-25-2009, 02:32 PM

hmmm, i might be interested in this. i have two computers with vista, M$ should give the upgrade discs out for free....

whookid36

06-25-2009, 02:34 PM

I'm in a jam. I built my own and I'm currently using the RC. I have a windows xp restore disc laying around from my old dell pc. Would I be able to use this that and then upgrade?

Monsta Mack

06-25-2009, 03:12 PM

Real dumb question: Should be ok if my machine has a pre-installed copy of Vista? IE I don't have a disc for Vista because when I bought the computer it was pre-installed.

devoe

06-25-2009, 03:54 PM

You should be fine

devoe

06-25-2009, 03:55 PM

I am stoked about this deal!

yuyak

06-25-2009, 04:00 PM

What system is this game for?
rdogg1026, it's for PC.

OP, you COULD change the title to "Pre-order Minesweeper/Solitare (comes bundled with Win7 OS) for Half Price!" to appease the few fuddy duddies here ;) Just kidding, thanks OP.

spuffin

06-25-2009, 04:02 PM

What system is this game for?
Do you bitch when a deal is posted for a system like the 360, PS3, DS, etc? Windows is a requirement for damn near every PC game so it is certainly relevant for PC Gamers. If you don't like the thread, don't respond so it falls to the bottom instead of bumping it up with a reply.

Thx OP!

Oktoberfest

06-25-2009, 04:08 PM

Yeah I think I'm gonna go after the $50 one. Anyone with prior Upgrade version experience know if it can be used on two different computers?

Thrinn

06-25-2009, 04:15 PM

Wow. Thanks a ton, OP.

sav2880

06-25-2009, 04:19 PM

I don't think I thought I'd ever utter these words ... but that's a good enough price to make me BUY a legit operating system! Prolly will go for the Home Premium, I'd love to have Remote Desktop with the Professional version, but there's tools that do similar stuff (LogMeIn, VNC, etc.)

colt4by5

06-25-2009, 04:19 PM

I really hope 7 is good. I used to defend Microsoft when I'd hear people bad mouth them... when I had XP, Xbox 1, and Office 2003. Now, I have Vista, Xbox 360, and Office 2007... and I lead the attacks! My hatred of Vista can't be put into words.

anubis20

06-25-2009, 04:20 PM

ok so do i have to have vista or XP for this to work or can I do a fresh install with 7?? I usually don't like doing upgrades from one operating system to another because it messes crap up.

Owen

06-25-2009, 04:27 PM

Yeah I think I'm gonna go after the $50 one. Anyone with prior Upgrade version experience know if it can be used on two different computers?

Each computer needs its own license so you could install it on 2 computers but you could only activate it on one of them and would need to find a new key after the 30 day trial ends for the non-activated one.

hordak

06-25-2009, 04:28 PM

According to this article at Ars Technica (http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/06/windows-7-pricing-announced-cheaper-than-vista.ars) you can purchase and use an upgrade version for XP -> Win7. However you have to do a new install.

Thanks. That's what I was thinking. From what I remember, as long as you do a clean install, the MS upgrade discs work exactly the same as the full install discs. The only difference is that during the install process, you are prompted to insert an original "full install" disc of a past (and qualifying) version of Windows. This used to work for me on my Win2K upgrade discs... sounds like this may still be the case.

jrhawk42

06-25-2009, 04:30 PM

Do you bitch when a deal is posted for a system like the 360, PS3, DS, etc? Windows is a requirement for damn near every PC game so it is certainly relevant for PC Gamers. If you don't like the thread, don't respond so it falls to the bottom instead of bumping it up with a reply.

Thx OP!
technically a tv/monitor is required for ps3/360/pc games but were not allowed to post such deals here. I don't mind this post (or any great deal post) but it would be annoying if somebody made a post for every time an OS, or pc hardware went on sale.

Also I'm interested in how the upgrade works since I have a legal license numbers, but I run Jack Sparrow copies of XP since I lost the original discs. Also I haven't checked the license numbers to see if their even valid anymore.

hordak

06-25-2009, 04:39 PM

technically a tv/monitor is required for ps3/360/pc games but were not allowed to post such deals here. I don't mind this post (or any great deal post) but it would be annoying if somebody made a post for every time an OS, or pc hardware went on sale.

Fine. Can someone change the thread title to "Pre-Order Solitaire (Windows 7 version) For Half Price (Home Premium = $50 / Professional = $100)"? :applause:

Animefalcon

06-25-2009, 04:41 PM

Its suxed using the windows Vista upgrade u had to install windows XP first then install windows VISTA it sucked majorly since it wouldnt let you do a fresh install. However there was a semi work around it by installing vista first then doing reinstall ontop of it hopefully this will be case for windows 7.
Right now im using Windows 95 Key-> 98 upgrade -> XP upgrade ->vista upgrade -> Future windows 7 upgrade

my old gaming boxes i turn into linux servers (i got 2 linux server right now one on my Athlon FX 51 rig and another on my Athlon X2 4800 system)

Lawyers Guns N Money

06-25-2009, 04:47 PM

I wonder if they'll treat OEM licenses of XP differently. I'm using a OEM copy of XP now, would it make my upgrade an OEM license? or would it be transferable to another PC down the line?

burningrom2

06-25-2009, 05:10 PM

I wonder if they'll treat OEM licenses of XP differently. I'm using a OEM copy of XP now, would it make my upgrade an OEM license? or would it be transferable to another PC down the line?
good Q
btw excellent post but i cant figure out where to go to get in on the deal

burningrom2

06-25-2009, 05:13 PM

duh, it starts tomorrow 6/26. answering myself...

Oktoberfest

06-25-2009, 05:18 PM

Each computer needs its own license so you could install it on 2 computers but you could only activate it on one of them and would need to find a new key after the 30 day trial ends for the non-activated one.

is it reinstall friendly? Like if I were to reformat my hard drive, I imagine I'd have to reinstall Vista then upgrade it. (ie. is it like one-time use or is it one-at-a-time type deal?)

Danil ACE

06-25-2009, 05:23 PM

Hmmm...I wonder if this will be any cheaper in the MS employee store. I know that they have Vista Ultimate for only a $50.

eastx

06-25-2009, 06:00 PM

I'm running Vista 64-bit. Does anyone know if Windows 7 is getting a separate 64-bit version?

Smokie99

06-25-2009, 06:37 PM

Count me in for 3 copies. I've been running W7 on three boxes with very few problems. Much faster than Vista and even seems snappier than XP. I don't even turn on my main XP machine anymore.

Frag Rev

06-25-2009, 06:58 PM

Well, having to pay so much for Vista Ultimate, then go around and pay even more for this..I'm not sure if I'm up for it.

Blockburner28

06-25-2009, 07:16 PM

apple os x snow leopard will > this and its only 29 dollars to upgrade. plus if you buy an apple laptop or imac you can upgrade it for 10 dollars.

Archon29

06-25-2009, 07:18 PM

Fantastic deal. But I use a laptop with a preinstalled version of Vista, and I have two computers running OEM versions of XP and Vista. I usually go OEM instead of upgrade so I'm not sure if my computers qualify. If it turns out that I'm eligible then I'll probably be in for one, and pick up another student version later.

groundskeeper

06-25-2009, 07:22 PM

apple os x snow leopard will > this and its only 29 dollars to upgrade. plus if you buy an apple laptop or imac you can upgrade it for 10 dollars.

This should be the case since the increase costs of Apple hardware should result in cheaper OS upgrades.

yuyak

06-25-2009, 08:02 PM

I'm running Vista 64-bit. Does anyone know if Windows 7 is getting a separate 64-bit version?
I'm pretty sure. They have the RC1 out for beta testing right now and I know I had the option of downloading the 32-bit version or the 64-bit version... although I guess I don't know whether both versions will be packaged in the same retail box or not.

Lucid13

06-25-2009, 08:08 PM

Well, having to pay so much for Vista Ultimate, then go around and pay even more for this..I'm not sure if I'm up for it.

Actually you'll get it free

http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20090625/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_microsoft_windows7_prices

DaGrandMastah

06-25-2009, 08:11 PM

I'm definetly upgrading. I hate vista's instability. Hopefully Windows 7 remedies all the issues that Vista brought to the table. Thanks for posting.

blk00civicsi

06-25-2009, 08:14 PM

Actually you'll get it free

http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20090625/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_microsoft_windows7_prices

Are you being sarcastic??? Have you actually read the article? You only get win7 free if you buy a computer with Vista on it starting tomorrow.

crzyboy88

06-25-2009, 08:36 PM

This would be usable on only one machine, right?

imacgod

06-25-2009, 08:46 PM

is it reinstall friendly? Like if I were to reformat my hard drive, I imagine I'd have to reinstall Vista then upgrade it. (ie. is it like one-time use or is it one-at-a-time type deal?)

I doubt it'll be any worse than XP (don't have Vista). I replaced the hard drive in my MacBook Pro and reinstalled XP on a separate partition. No problem reactivating my CD key. I think you need to replace the motherboard before the authorization is nullified.

plutoknight

06-25-2009, 08:48 PM

Used 7 over Vista during the Beta and...well..........it put Vista to shame. It was faster. More stable. I love the new taskbar. I lovfe how its not bloated.

I'll jump on for the $50 before the period ends, for sure.

aznguyen316

06-25-2009, 08:52 PM

apple os x snow leopard will > this and its only 29 dollars to upgrade. plus if you buy an apple laptop or imac you can upgrade it for 10 dollars.

FO rilla! haha yeah but this is a good price for a Windows OS though I hated doing the upgrade on Windows, always liked the clean install way..

chrisc133

06-25-2009, 09:04 PM

jer7583

06-25-2009, 09:04 PM

So do you need a vista disc for this? it came installed on my laptop. I might jump on it, they say it improves performance.

eddie291

06-25-2009, 09:16 PM

question for you guys who know a lot more about computers than I do...

I have vista 32 bit and want windows 7 64 bit. What do I have to do to get that? Do I have to do a fresh install? Will I lose my files? How much would it cost under this preorder deal to do this?
Yeah, you'll have to do a clean install if you want to upgrade from a 32-bit OS to a 64-bit(normally when you get a new OS, it's usually best to do a clean install anyways). Yes, you will lose all of your files, so backup all of your necessary files before hand and you should be set.

And what do you mean how much it would cost to do this?
is it reinstall friendly? Like if I were to reformat my hard drive, I imagine I'd have to reinstall Vista then upgrade it. (ie. is it like one-time use or is it one-at-a-time type deal?)
Yeah, you can reinstall, assuming this deal has to do with the retail version.

Because if it's the OEM version, then the answer is no, you can't reinstall.
So do you need a vista disc for this? it came installed on my laptop. I might jump on it, they say it improves performance.
Nope. The upgrade disc should recognize that you have a copy of Vista.

chrisc133

06-25-2009, 09:22 PM

[QUOTE=eddie291;6005273]Yeah, you'll have to do a clean install if you want to upgrade from a 32-bit OS to a 64-bit(normally when you get a new OS, it's usually best to do a clean install anyways). Yes, you will lose all of your files, so backup all of your necessary files before hand and you should be set.

And what do you mean how much it would cost to do this?

Thanks for the info. By how much would it cost...I mean because I'm not doing the "upgrade" and am doing a clean install instead...will it be more than $50?

blk00civicsi

06-25-2009, 09:27 PM

Chrisc- you can do a clean install from the upgrade disc so out of pocket costs will be dependent on which upgrade you choose to buy.

gunm

06-25-2009, 09:30 PM

Planning to upgrade, so I guess I'm in on this.

chrisc133

06-25-2009, 09:57 PM

Chrisc- you can do a clean install from the upgrade disc so out of pocket costs will be dependent on which upgrade you choose to buy.

perfect. Thanks

banzaiwolfe

06-25-2009, 10:12 PM

apple os x snow leopard will > this and its only 29 dollars to upgrade. plus if you buy an apple laptop or imac you can upgrade it for 10 dollars.
How exactly would switching to a Mac make my gaming better than if I switched to Win 7?

I'm considering this, I don't know if I'm getting a free copy this time like I did with Vista though so I'm kind of on the fence about it.

Bubbakja

06-25-2009, 10:16 PM

I'll pick up two copies, but as of now Vista still smokes XP/7 in gaming performance. There have been several pc gaming sites that have proven it. I'm sure 7 will eventually surpass, but on my PC vista runs smooth. The only issue I have is that Linksys decided to create a wireless card and never release 64bit drivers for it.

sengar

06-25-2009, 10:27 PM

Between Power Together, Windows Feedback Program, DreamSpark, Live Search Club, and academic licenses, I didn't pay for any of my XP, Vista or Server licenses (other than Windows Home Server). I might bite on this if Ultimate was discounted, but since it's not, I'll just hold out for a free offer, or an academic version.

choffy21

06-25-2009, 10:30 PM

I'm still on XP, so will my printer work on Home Premium?

Haako

06-25-2009, 10:34 PM

Looking between The Home and Premium versions - the big thing seems to be the XP Mode.

Any thoughts if that will be a vital thing - Maybe with Older games from a CAG perspective?

aznguyen316

06-25-2009, 10:36 PM

^ question is if XP mode is a virtual machine? I haven't read up on that at all, if so then gaming performance won't be that great. Might as well dual boot.

ziutek

06-25-2009, 11:08 PM

^ question is if XP mode is a virtual machine? I haven't read up on that at all, if so then gaming performance won't be that great. Might as well dual boot.

Yeah its a virtual machine and is definitely not suited for games since it doesn't have direct access to the graphics card.

bigl523

06-25-2009, 11:10 PM

w00t!! I won one of the engadget Windows 7 pre-order guarantee codes. The question now is do I buy one or two copies at the reduced price...decisions, decisions.

Haako

06-25-2009, 11:16 PM

Yeah its a virtual machine and is definitely not suited for games since it doesn't have direct access to the graphics card.

Thats makes picking between the 2 versions easier. Unless you have some specific legacy app - Home seems to the better choice for a typical game system id imagine.

eastx

06-25-2009, 11:21 PM

apple os x snow leopard will > this and its only 29 dollars to upgrade. plus if you buy an apple laptop or imac you can upgrade it for 10 dollars.

That's an excellent idea if you don't care about gaming and don't want to run Steam. However, this is Cheap Ass Gamer so your suggestion is pretty silly.

n00bstocks

06-25-2009, 11:30 PM

If I want to reformat and I buy the W7 upgrade disc, do I have to install Vista then install this on top of it, or does it simply ask you to insert an older disc (vista) to verify that you own the older OS when you go to install? I was always under the impression that an upgrade simply installed on top of a previously installed OS. Correct me if I'm wrong.

blk00civicsi

06-25-2009, 11:36 PM

Anytime you want to upgrade to a new os it's always better to do a clean install. My understanding that this will be just like vistas upgrade disc. You have to install without your key first and then perform the upgrade. I've done it numerous times and it's supposed to be the same for win7. FYI vista never asked me for a previous version due to the way you perform the install.

n00bstocks

06-25-2009, 11:41 PM

blk00civicsi

06-25-2009, 11:50 PM

To essentially do a clean install with an upgrade disc you need to install the os (from upgrade disc) without entering the key. Then go back and perform the physical upgrade. This time entering your key. It allows you to circumvent the need from having an older os or key. This is done with vista upgrade discs. And from the sound of it on SD and MS boards the same can be done with win7

sneakysnake128

06-25-2009, 11:54 PM

Can someone make a quicklist of what exactly Windows 7 improves upon?

The only feature so far that's really piqued my interest is dragging 2 windows onto each side that automatically resize so that you can have two windows side by side quickly.

eastx

06-26-2009, 12:27 AM

There's also the dramatic performance increase over Vista... I'm sure there's lots of other stuff too though.

bryan_05

06-26-2009, 12:37 AM

I have 2 laptops w/ Vista. Will I need 2 copies of Windows 7?

gamer1233

06-26-2009, 12:42 AM

Yes, you will need 2 copies.

gregnied

06-26-2009, 12:47 AM

Just curious, I have OEM XP on my machine, will I have any problems with this upgrade. I am looking to get the Pro upgrade

ziutek

06-26-2009, 01:04 AM

It's finally up on amazon.

doctordoom

06-26-2009, 01:07 AM

Look at the chart on the bottom of this page before you go buying Professional.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd772579(WS.10).aspx

qwerty1

06-26-2009, 01:17 AM

while this is a good deal it sucks they excluded Ultimate and all full versions. I'll just wait and get a full version off Ebay. Vista dropped to sub $200 prices pretty fast and i expect this to do the same.

Unless Vista and/or Windows 7 changed the way it works usually the full versions dont have activation limits where as you can only re-install+activate an upgrade version so many times before you have to contact microsoft for a new registration number. Its free but a PITA for those who change hardware often.

shadylane

06-26-2009, 01:26 AM

what if i have the beta? can i use the upgrade?

Wolf_of_Mibu

06-26-2009, 01:28 AM

One4Deuce

06-26-2009, 01:28 AM

Well worth $50, I'll pre-order.

n00bstocks

06-26-2009, 01:29 AM

Great deal, just nabbed the $49.99 Home Premium Upgrade off of amazon with guaranteed release date delivery!

blk00civicsi

06-26-2009, 01:30 AM

@ Wolf. Not entering your key essentially let's you test drive your OS. It bypasses the need for an old OS. It works like a charm on vista upgrade and MS has already stated that it can be done in win7 too.

Sir_Fragalot

06-26-2009, 01:31 AM

Nice gonna nab me it tomorrow. Hopefully amazon still has copies.

blk00civicsi

06-26-2009, 01:33 AM

@ Frag. Pre order at amazon. They don't charge until it ships. Lock it in now. I've ordered 2 for the home PCs in hopes that Ultimate will eventually drop

eastx

06-26-2009, 01:35 AM

Look at the chart on the bottom of this page before you go buying Professional.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd772579(WS.10).aspx

Thanks for the link. Can you or someone else please translate that chart into English? I look at it and it seems to say that you can't upgrade from Windows XP or some versions of Vista, and yet the product description at Amazon clearly states that all versions of XP and Vista work with the upgrade.

Wolf_of_Mibu

06-26-2009, 01:44 AM

frankmackeyspam

06-26-2009, 01:46 AM

Thanks for the link. Can you or someone else please translate that chart into English? I look at it and it seems to say that you can't upgrade from Windows XP or some versions of Vista, and yet the product description at Amazon clearly states that all versions of XP and Vista work with the upgrade.

It looks like you have to be running Vista Business Edition in order to be able to perform an upgrade install of Windows 7 Professional. If you have any other version of Vista or XP you'll be forced to perform a clean install.......I think.

Sir_Fragalot

06-26-2009, 01:47 AM

@ Frag. Pre order at amazon. They don't charge until it ships. Lock it in now. I've ordered 2 for the home PCs in hopes that Ultimate will eventually drop

Yeah I am going to, I just need to tell my parents I am using their card. Amazon should have copies tomorrow anyway.

Salamando3000

06-26-2009, 01:54 AM

So, has there been any word on whether or not there'll be separate x84 and x64 versions? The amazon listing clearly states system requirements for both under the same item, leading me to believe both will be in the same box, but some confirmation would be splendid.

doctordoom

06-26-2009, 01:59 AM

It looks like you have to be running Vista Business Edition in order to be able to perform an upgrade install of Windows 7 Professional. If you have any other version of Vista or XP you'll be forced to perform a clean install.......I think.

Right, if you run Vista Home you'll have to go Vista Home -> Win7 Home -> Win7 Pro. If you look lower down on the chart it shows 7 upgrade paths as well through unlocking payments. All versions of 7 are on the one disc.

*Update* via Paul Thurrott's Supersite for Windows: http://www.winsupersite.com/win7/faq.asp

"Q: I have Windows Vista Home Premium. Do I have to get Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade, or can I purchase any Windows 7 Upgrade version?

A: As long as you qualify for Upgrade pricing (i.e. have basically any version of Windows XP or Vista), you can purchase and install any Windows 7 Upgrade version. However, you may or may not be able to perform an in-place upgrade depending on your current Windows version. A person with Windows Vista Ultimate, for example, qualifies for Windows 7 Home Premium. But they would have to perform a clean install."

banzaiwolfe

06-26-2009, 02:02 AM

Since I didn't see them posted, links:
Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/b/ref=amb_link_84681531_1?ie=UTF8&node=1286119011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-3&pf_rd_r=06RC17BG47DDGQQV9KSF&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=482223151&pf_rd_i=229534

Newegg (not available currently/possibly sold out): http://promotions.newegg.com/Microsoft/Windows7/PreSale/index.html?cm_sp=Subcat_Operating-Systems-_-Microsoft/Windows7/PreSale-_-http%3a%2f%2fpromotions.newegg.com%2fMicrosoft%2fW indows7%2fPreSale%2f478x88.jpg

Office Depot: http://www.officedepot.com/a/promo/pages/0621_win7/

Microsoft: http://store.microsoft.com/microsoft/Windows-7/category/102?WT.mc_id=winonline_win7promo

Frys: http://www.frys.com/search?plusearch=5960664%205960674

Best Buy: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=pcmcat185500050009&type=category

eastx

06-26-2009, 02:09 AM

Okay, so we're locked into the same level that we're already using... That sucks.
But does anyone have a link that confirms both 32-bit and 64-bit versions are on the same disc?

blk00civicsi

06-26-2009, 02:09 AM

@ banzai. Newegg has apparently already sold out according to folks over on SD.

@ salamando. The upgrade contains both 32 and 64 bit OS's

banzaiwolfe

06-26-2009, 02:12 AM

@ banzai. Newegg has apparently already sold out according to folks over on SD.

@ salamando. The upgrade contains both 32 and 64 bit OS's

Wow, that's crazy.

LegendK7ll3r

06-26-2009, 02:26 AM

Pre-ordered the Professional version. From the looks of it, the Ultimate version doesn't seem to offer that much of an advantage, so Professional should be fine. I'd order just the regular, but having the XP support will help with some older games and files, and is probably worth the extra $50.

SecretAgentHam

06-26-2009, 02:26 AM

a few quick questions. to any who answer, thanks a million.

#1: This will work on an XP machine?

#2: is it worth getting professional?

#3: will this work on my desktop AND laptop?

#4: do i need to own other versions of Windows to upgrade (i.e. own the physical copy of the vista disc. cause i just have the XP copy.)

LegendK7ll3r

06-26-2009, 02:31 AM

a few quick questions. to any who answer, thanks a million.

#1: This will work on an XP machine?

You need to have Vista for this to work. It upgrades Vista to Win7, so Vista is needed.

#2: is it worth getting professional?

I'd say so, it's more compatible with older files and I'm sure has some nice extra features not mentioned.

#3: will this work on my desktop AND laptop?

If they have Vista, yes.

#4: do i need to own other versions of Windows to upgrade (i.e. own the physical copy of the vista disc. cause i just have the XP copy.)

Yes, you will need Vista installed in order to upgrade to Win7.

SecretAgentHam

06-26-2009, 02:34 AM

thanks for the responses. your awesome.

looks like my desktop wont get the upgrade treatment (as its my XP MCE) but looks like its home premium for my laptop.

is there any work around for XP machines? ;)

i'll go ahead and cancel the professional reservation and switch to home. oh well.

banzaiwolfe

06-26-2009, 02:35 AM

From Amazon:
3. Check which operating system your PC is currently running
How you make the move to Windows 7 depends on your current operating system.

Windows Vista
The transition to Windows 7 should be pretty smooth, although you may need to update your system to the latest service pack first.
Windows XP (or any other operating system)
We recommend that you experience Windows 7 on a new PC. While we don't recommend it, you can opt to upgrade your current PC from Windows XP or another operating system to Windows 7. We recommend that you get help with this process from your local computer service provider. You'll need to back up your current files and settings, perform a custom (clean) installation, and then reinstall your files, settings, and programs.

Oktoberfest

06-26-2009, 02:36 AM

SecretAgentHam

06-26-2009, 02:39 AM

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/buy/offers/pre-order-faq.aspx

it says you can upgrade to Windows 7 even if you have Windows XP. It goes through a modified installation where you'll end up having to reinstall all your programs.

check to see if your pc can be upgraded
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/upgrade-advisor.aspx

just preordered my Home Premium from Amazon, woot

just saw that. looks like i'll keep my premium upgrade. i only have a 32 bit XP OS but i hope i can run a 64bit. i love the RC and i'm sticking with my rig for a while before i fully upgrade. by then the OEM should be cheap. sweet so now my Desktop AND laptop can get the windows 7 love. AWESOME.

thanks jesus.:)

LegendK7ll3r

06-26-2009, 02:43 AM

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/buy/offers/pre-order-faq.aspx

it says you can upgrade to Windows 7 even if you have Windows XP. It goes through a modified installation where you'll end up having to reinstall all your programs.

check to see if your pc can be upgraded
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/upgrade-advisor.aspx

just preordered my Home Premium from Amazon, woot

Ah, my bad then. I actually read on Microsoft's own website you could only upgrade from Vista to Win7. I guess MS actually has that wrong then on their site; they should really fix that, since it discouraged a friend of mine from purchasing this.

Treymoney

06-26-2009, 03:07 AM

I have Windows XP x64 Professional, and I regret it daily. Does anyone know if I can upgrade from that to Windows 7? I haven't been able to find anything online.

playing mantis

06-26-2009, 03:16 AM

Sir_Fragalot

06-26-2009, 03:21 AM

What kind of advantages over XP Pro will W7 Home Premium have? The only thing I can really think of is being able to connect with my 360 for videos/music.

Anyone know if there will be a Service Pack 4 for XP or are they abandoning XP now?

Featurewise XP wont be getting upgrades, but on the other hand security wise XP is still supported till 2014 as I know.

eastx

06-26-2009, 03:22 AM

I have Windows XP x64 Professional, and I regret it daily. Does anyone know if I can upgrade from that to Windows 7? I haven't been able to find anything online.

See this post: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6006469&postcount=127

bigdaddybruce44

06-26-2009, 03:31 AM

Tempting. Very tempting. Few years ago, when I was big into building and such, I would have jumped on this. Now...not so much. I just don't use the computer enough to justify it. Bad enough I wasted all that money on the 8800GTS and haven't played a PC game in like a year.

Pck21

06-26-2009, 03:43 AM

So, can I perform a clean install on a brand new hard drive with either of these versions? I have XP Media Center right now but I want to put in a new hard drive and install Windows 7 on a new hard drive.

Edit: By the way, I ordered both versions just in case and will cancel one of my orders depending on which I choose by the time it releases.

FelixC

06-26-2009, 03:46 AM

Still don't think it is worth it, i'll be sticking with XP for a while more. Why couldn't they make it $30 like Apple did for their Snow Leopard upgrade?

eastx

06-26-2009, 03:52 AM

Because Windows upgrades have always been $99 or more?

Oktoberfest

06-26-2009, 03:53 AM

Still don't think it is worth it, i'll be sticking with XP for a while more. Why couldn't they make it $30 like Apple did for their Snow Leopard upgrade?

lol you realize Service Packs for Windows are free?

Darrith

06-26-2009, 03:59 AM

Newegg sold out? I ordered 2 and it seems to have went through fine, but eh either way I'm sure in 4 months time they'll fulfill it somehow.

gunm

06-26-2009, 04:18 AM

newegg isn't taking orders any more?

Anyway, I went w/Amazon for the Pro version.

iNCREDiPiNOY

06-26-2009, 04:19 AM

Just ordered Home & Professional with Free Release-Date Delivery, just in case which one is best suited for my PC or Laptop. I can always cancel before release date.

LinkinPrime

06-26-2009, 04:23 AM

Preordered Home Premium from Amazon...sweet deal!

Darrith

06-26-2009, 04:37 AM

Love how this guy just randomly comes into threads and repeats a fragment of someone's post.:whee:

Katslover

06-26-2009, 04:40 AM

Not a game specifically, so if this is in the wrong forum I appologize, but
http://ipodz.co.cc/imgs/signature_Sign.jpg:)

Xbox 360 isn't a game specifically, but I bet nothing would be said about someone posting a deal for that here. Windows is a gaming platform, and I run it on my PC I built for gaming.

dafunkk12

06-26-2009, 05:01 AM

Ordered a copy of Pro just fine from NewEgg about 15 minutes ago.

BMXJouster

06-26-2009, 05:30 AM

Yeah, it let me pre-order a Windows 7 Pro Upgrade as well. I originally ordered from Best Buy (since I had a RZ certificate), but they're gonna charge me for shipping (even though the site says free shipping), as well as tax. I'd rather spend a LITTLE more at NewEgg, but get free shipping and no tax.

Kerig

06-26-2009, 05:47 AM

Free Bonus:

IIRC, and please correct me if I'm wrong, by pre-ordering this now with an October release, I should be able to use this order to add anything else that qualifies for FSSS to this order (using the "combine orders" function) to get FSSS on anything, regardless of how cheap it is, and 90% of the time Amazon will ship out the other items as soon as they're available.

If this works, it'll essentially give me 4 months of no-minimum FSSS on top of a great way to get rid of my wife's Vista that came with her laptop.

BlueLobstah

06-26-2009, 05:48 AM

XP is eligible for the license upgrade edition, but not for the software upgrade path. (http://www.tomshardware.com/news/windows-xp-7-upgrade-vista,6965.html) All this means is that you can upgrade, you only have to do a clean installation of Windows 7, which isn't such a bad thing anyway. Even the RC only allowed you to do a direct upgrade from Vista SP1, anything else required a clean installation.

I went ahead and pre-ordered the Professional edition from Amazon. I really hate how Home feels so gimped with them leaving out Remote Desktop and Windows XP mode. :bomb:

Katslover

06-26-2009, 06:05 AM

Am I the only one using direct download from Microsoft? I went the Pro route (I want XP compatibility mode), and chose to go digital download, because it's being said that dd is the easiest (only?) way to upgrade from XP 32 to 7 64. We shall see, though!

NightWing228

06-26-2009, 06:13 AM

i just pre-order the pro...just wandering is this a 64bit version or 32bit version?

Katslover

06-26-2009, 06:30 AM

i just pre-order the pro...just wandering is this a 64bit version or 32bit version?

Historically, it has been both. I would be really shocked if you don't get both here, as well.

palejackal

06-26-2009, 07:26 AM

My friend says his games have been running fine in the Windows 7 beta, so Pro for the XP compatibility might not be necessary, assuming you're concerned from a gaming perspective.

Thongsy

06-26-2009, 07:33 AM

XP is eligible for the license upgrade edition, but not for the software upgrade path. (http://www.tomshardware.com/news/windows-xp-7-upgrade-vista,6965.html) All this means is that you can upgrade, you only have to do a clean installation of Windows 7, which isn't such a bad thing anyway. Even the RC only allowed you to do a direct upgrade from Vista SP1, anything else required a clean installation.

I have a friend who is still using XP and will probably upgrade for Windows 7. Does this mean he can buy this upgrade disc/license and use it, but than he'll need to get another disc that will have the full install of Windows 7. Or will this also have the full install of Windows 7 for a clean install for those going from XP?

bigl523

06-26-2009, 07:47 AM

Ordered 2 Home Premium's from amazon.com, 1 for my lappy and 1 for my HTPC. I was gonna use my engadget codes but Microsoft is charging tax and shipping. Forget that.

Dezuria

06-26-2009, 08:28 AM

If I already own the full version of Vista, and I order the upgrade version of 7, can I still format and do a clean install of 7? Anyone have info on this?

Last I heard about upgrades was back when it was 98-->XP and you would install XP over 98.(I think)

Edit:
After reading Amazon.com and seeing this on the product page:

"Windows Vista
The transition to Windows 7 should be pretty smooth, although you may need to update your system to the latest service pack first."

Sounds like we need Vista installed already. So everytime we reinstall our OS, we install Vista, update, and then install 7? I hope that's not true.

52club

06-26-2009, 08:42 AM

Both the 32bit/64bit version come on one disk. I bought two copies of Premium to pair up with two copies of vista.

Capitalizt

06-26-2009, 08:45 AM

So folks..Is there any chance this can be used as a clean install on a newly built machine if I have a valid XP disc? Or will I need to spend an hour installing XP before I can "upgrade" to 7?

Chitown021

06-26-2009, 08:48 AM

I am in for at least one $50 upgrade. I may order two but I can't decide if I want to upgrade my XP desktop or not. I also need to decide where to order them from. Amazon has no tax but with Best Buy I can get more pts added onto my rewards card.

Chitown021

06-26-2009, 08:49 AM

So folks..Is there any chance this can be used as a clean install on a newly built machine if I have a valid XP disc? Or will I need to spend an hour installing XP before I can "upgrade" to 7?

If it works like my XP upgrade did then yes you should be able to do a clean install. It will just prompt you to drop the XP disc into the drive to verify you own an earlier version of Windows and are eligible to use the upgrade disc instead of the full version.

06-26-2009, 08:53 AM

Well I bought 2 Premiums to match up with my 2 vista machines. Have to have the remote desktop hosting ability. Have to.

redline

06-26-2009, 09:02 AM

I'm sort of meh about Windows 7, I don't see much of a difference in it and Vista. I'll stick to Vista Ultimate until Windows 8, supposedly they will have a new file system then too.

Wolfpup

06-26-2009, 10:38 AM

Yes you get a disc.

On formatting, The way xp did it was you put in an older windows disc to verify that you are upgrading

Regarding this, Vista, and as far as I know Windows 7, do *NOT* let you do a clean install, at least without the officially illegal work around described here (and I don't know that that actually works on 7, and have never done it on Vista either for that matter).

Does anyone know if this has been changed in 7 back to the way it used to be, where you could do a clean install, and just stick a disc in to verify?

I wasn't planning on upgrading from Vista, but for $50...maybe, if I can do a clean install (you NEVER want to install over the top of an old OS, and that goes for OS X too).

In for 1 copy of Home Premium, don't think ill need the XP compatibility mode in the Pro version.

Regarding this, guys, that XP mode is just you can download a copy of Virtual PC with a copy of XP for it. If you already have a copy of XP you can install, you don't need that since Virtual PC is already free. And this is NOT for games, as there's no real GPU support, and performance is a lot lower, etc.

Besides, most games run fine under Vista/7 anyway if they ran under XP or earlier versions of NT.

What kind of advantages over XP Pro will W7 Home Premium have? The only thing I can really think of is being able to connect with my 360 for videos/music.

Anyone know if there will be a Service Pack 4 for XP or are they abandoning XP now?

Vista's got a much refined interface, better performance, and just some nice features here and there. 7 is supposed to refine the interface further, basically. Personally I wouldn't want to have to go back to XP from Vista, but I mean it's still good old Windows, ti's not like XP is broken or anything.

(Oh, and of course you need Vista/7 for Direct X 10 and 11 support too, Blu Ray I would assume works better under it, although the Blu Ray programs support it under XP too I guess, etc.)

Both the 32bit/64bit version come on one disk. I bought two copies of Premium to pair up with two copies of vista.

That's great to know. I've got 64-bit Vista, and unfortunately a lot of programs aren't really 64-bit compatible, but since I've already made the switch I might as well stick with it. (Even the DVD burning program included with my computer wasn't actually compatible, nor was the one I already had on my old computer!)

BigFishCarl

06-26-2009, 10:38 AM

Jumped on a home premium from amazon. Got to love amazon prime :).
Does anyone know how many machines can be upgraded per upgrade key?

=XcL=

06-26-2009, 10:46 AM

Ordered my copy of Windows 7 , October 22 .. hey just long enough time to forget and be surprised when it arrives.

Darrith

06-26-2009, 10:47 AM

Regarding this, Vista, and as far as I know Windows 7, do *NOT* let you do a clean install, at least without the officially illegal work around described here (and I don't know that that actually works on 7, and have never done it on Vista either for that matter).

"I am running Windows XP, can I upgrade to Windows 7?"

"Microsoft designed Windows 7 Upgrade media for Windows Vista. A customer with Windows XP can purchase Windows 7 Upgrade media but must back up their files, clean install, and then reinstall their applications. "

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/buy/offers/pre-order-faq.aspx

Layd Dly

06-26-2009, 11:08 AM

ordered 2 of Premium and Pro, Thinking ill probably just get the Premiums, since i dont need domain capability, and i already have Free Virtual PC and have access to VMWare. But just in case i change my mind or they change out some features ill have the pre-orders at half off

Wolfpup

06-26-2009, 11:59 AM

"I am running Windows XP, can I upgrade to Windows 7?"

"Microsoft designed Windows 7 Upgrade media for Windows Vista. A customer with Windows XP can purchase Windows 7 Upgrade media but must back up their files, clean install, and then reinstall their applications. "

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/buy/offers/pre-order-faq.aspx

Yeah, but that doesn't really say what happens if you've got Vista :(

Sir_Fragalot

06-26-2009, 12:10 PM

Got my copy of home premium. I have XP and I am glad I need to clean install it. I wanted to clean install it anyway. I don't trust upgrades especially from Microsoft.

expane

06-26-2009, 01:55 PM

Can't be any worse than Vista

Nohbdy

06-26-2009, 01:58 PM

Can't be any worse than Vista

It's Vista without the suck.

...hopefully.

-HAZE-

06-26-2009, 02:01 PM

FYI, if you have a MicroCenter store near you, you can go in and get a coupon for an upgrade for $39.99 (Premium) or $89.99 (Pro) and you won't have to pay until October. Just come back in Oct. with the coupon and you get it for that price.

I'm going there right now.

http://www.microcenter.com/storefronts/microsoft/windows7/preorder.html

http://www.microcenter.com/images/storefronts/microsoft/win7_promo.jpg

LancerEvoX

06-26-2009, 02:04 PM

Does anyone know how many machines can be upgraded per upgrade key?

I would like to know this also.

SecretAgentHam

06-26-2009, 02:05 PM

the upgrade is only good for one machine?

what if your machine gets comprimized and you need to do a clean install. will it work then?

and what if you have two machines?

i sure hope its good for 3 machines... like other Software is.

BULL_Ship

06-26-2009, 02:33 PM

i sure hope its good for 3 machines... like other Software is.

If you are doing this with any software you are breaking the terms of use in 90% of cases,

Wolfpup

06-26-2009, 02:36 PM

If you are doing this with any software you are breaking the terms of use in 90% of cases,

Yep, unless it explicitly says otherwise.

Regarding all this "VISTA SUCKS!" stuff, it all sounds like the random "THIS GAME IS UNPOPULAR SO I'LL BASH IT TOO" stuff to me. Vista's GREAT, at least as of Service Pack 2. It's faster than XP, and the interface is refined nicely without wrecking everything that's great about the Windows interface (which IMO is bar none the best in computer interfaces).

I guess it had some early issues, but so does every new version of NT. 7 hasn't been as bad by all reports, but it's not really new either, so all the refinements Vista's gotten are just carried over.

SecretAgentHam

06-26-2009, 02:40 PM

If you are doing this with any software you are breaking the terms of use in 90% of cases,
sorry to disappoint, good sir, but i do not wear any eyepatches. all of my software is within the guidelines thank you very much. my XP disc can install on up to 3 machines with my valid Product Key. i was hoping my upgrade disc on order can do the same for upgrades. i only have 2 machines but my GF has a laptop of her own. so 3 machines would be the sweetest spot.

BULL_Ship

06-26-2009, 02:44 PM

my XP disc can install on up to 3 machines with my valid Product Key.

Just because it lets you do it doesn't mean you are allowed to do it.

SecretAgentHam

06-26-2009, 02:45 PM

clearly states in my terms of service...

it isnt an OEM.

Edit: De-railing the thread. lets get back on topic please.

Chitown021

06-26-2009, 02:46 PM

If you are doing this with any software you are breaking the terms of use in 90% of cases,

It's a legit question that I would like to know the answer to as well. On the back of the box of my Office Home & Student 2007 it says in very fine print "Licensed for 3 PCs". If this were the case with Win 7 that would be awesome! I have a desktop and laptop I would like to upgrade.

EDIT: Guess I could always order 2 and if it turns out I can legitimately upgrade with 1 I can return or resell the second one.

SecretAgentHam

06-26-2009, 02:49 PM

It's a legit question that I would like to know the answer to as well. On the back of the box of my Office Home & Student 2007 it says in very fine print "Licensed for 3 PCs". If this were the case with Win 7 that would be awesome! I have a desktop and laptop I would like to upgrade.

thank you. someone who knows what their bought license means.

i also hope it is up to 3 machines. would ease the pain my wallet will go through. i can only afford to drop 100 bones on one professional disc, so if i can upgrade 3 machines, AWESOME, sweet. if not then it looks my desktop gets the Windows 7 treatment.

qwerty1

06-26-2009, 02:54 PM

bigdaddybruce44

06-26-2009, 02:55 PM

Indeed.

06-26-2009, 02:57 PM

When it comes to Vista, I haven't had any major problems. When it first came out, oh yeah it was crap. To be honest though, if you disabled certain items inside of Vista at launch, it worked fine for the most part. It really got a bad rap, and it never shook it, yet another reason to ship a "new" OS out quickly to get rid of the name that people have been conditioned to despise.

When it comes to Windows 7, there aren't a bunch of major differences between it and Vista. It is better optimized and has made key changes here and there, but for the most part it isn't as big of a step from Vista as Vista was from XP. With how cheap the upgrade path is, there really isn't a need for violating the terms.

One thing to remember guys, I'm pretty sure all versions of Windows 7 from Home Premium and higher have the Windows Image creation built into the Backup Features. So once you get your machine upgraded and all the base software installed, just create an image. I do that for my Vista installations. Their image creation is actually one of the best things to come out of Vista. Very efficient and never had any problems with it. That way the ones of you worrying about one-time use or something like that, don't have anything to worry about. Make sure you activate before making the base image, otherwise it defeats the purpose.

SecretAgentHam

06-26-2009, 02:58 PM

qwerty1

06-26-2009, 02:59 PM

it was nice to assume it would work for 3 machines. no worries here, i'll just upgrade one of my pc's.

i dont disagree, would make things easier and cheaper for households with multiple PCs. Sadly its the way it is.

bigdaddybruce44

06-26-2009, 03:01 PM

I think you hit the nail on the head, jp. Vista really was not that bad, but it was one of those things were it got a bad rap, the internet ran with it, and people simply started repeating things they heard, without really understanding what they were even saying. And yeah, MS really had no choice but to get a new OS out, because Vista was never going to recover.

I think the best is when people actually try to compare Vista to Millennium Edition. For anyone who remembers it, ME was one of the biggest software jokes in history. One of its new features, System Restore, had the oh-so-great habit of restoring viruses and other malicious content. And that was the tip of iceberg when it came to ME's issues.

BULL_Ship

06-26-2009, 03:01 PM

if its like ALL OTHER VERSIONS OF WINDOWS SINCE XP, then its 1 license per computer.

The only way you can get more is to purchase a volume license which is very expensive and basically ment for cooperations.

They intend for people with multiple computers to purchase a copy for each PC.

Again this is just like XP so this shouldnt come as a surprise.

BING
Vista: http://download.microsoft.com/documents/useterms/Windows%20Vista_Ultimate_English_36d0fe99-75e4-4875-8153-889cf5105718.pdf

2. INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS. Before you use the software under a license, you must
assign that license to one device (physical hardware system). That device is the “licensed device.”
A hardware partition or blade is considered to be a separate device.
a. Licensed Device. You may install one copy of the software on the licensed device. You may
use the software on up to two processors on that device at one time. Except as provided in the
Storage and Network Use (Ultimate edition) sections below, you may not use the software on any
other device.

XP: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/eula/home.mspx

1.1 Installation and use. You may install, use, access, display and run one copy of the Software on a single computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other device ("Workstation Computer"). The Software may not be used by more than one processor at any one time on any single Workstation Computer.

Wolfpup

06-26-2009, 03:02 PM

Or preferably just charge 1/3 the price!

Apple's 'family pack' or whatever it's called is a cool idea, and they don't require activation, at least on their OS, so you don't have to struggle with that when you need to reinstall or whatever.

Just too bad Apple never got serious about supporting games....or even Blu Ray! A computer where I can't play many games, can't watch my movies/shows...

Chitown021

06-26-2009, 03:07 PM

Thanks for the clarification everyone. I figured it was too good to be true. I guess I will be buying two copies if I want to upgrade both of my computers.

06-26-2009, 03:08 PM

SecretAgentHam

06-26-2009, 03:09 PM

in reply to bull_ship

my bad :)
i only have XP installed on my desktop anyway so theres no illegal action going on here. my laptop has an OEM vista home edition.

either way i'm going windows 7 on all my machines anyway. it is time for me to invest in a touch screen laptop though...

Chitown021

06-26-2009, 03:12 PM

One thing to mention about your activations as well, is that overtime the activations in the system expire. What I mean is that your machine is still activated but the activations you have used, after a certain amount of time, fall off so you are still able to still have the maximum amount of activations. The only reason you would ever use your maximum activations up quickly is because of hardware failure or OS corruption, which can normally be prepared without a reinstall nowadays.

I ran into this on my desktop when I was having some major hardware issues. My harddrive issues kept corrupting my installation so I had to keep re-installing. Finally MS "flagged" me and now if I have to re-install XP I have to call India, explain the situation, and get a special code to complete the activation.

Wolfpup

06-26-2009, 03:15 PM

One thing to mention about your activations as well, is that overtime the activations in the system expire. What I mean is that your machine is still activated but the activations you have used, after a certain amount of time, fall off so you are still able to still have the maximum amount of activations. The only reason you would ever use your maximum activations up quickly is because of hardware failure or OS corruption, which can normally be prepared without a reinstall nowadays. I think the Vista max activations is 3, and they fall off after time, trust me.

That's what I've heard, but then I'd heard something else act like there was some lifetime limit or something. I HOPE it really resets the counter over time, because my stupid Office 2007 has activation, and I'll need to reactivate if I get Windows 7, etc., etc. (although honestly if it ever locked me out, I actually liked 2003 better overall, except maybe for Outlook, and Open Office is comparable...but still)

06-26-2009, 03:15 PM

I ran into this on my desktop when I was having some major hardware issues. My harddrive issues kept corrupting my installation so I had to keep re-installing. Finally MS "flagged" me and now if I have to re-install XP I have to call India, explain the situation, and get a special code to complete the activation.
Yeah, my younger brother had a similar issue. Once we got things taken care of though, about 6 months afterward he decided he wanted to reload from scratch. When he went to Activate, it went through without having to call them.

bubo

06-26-2009, 03:34 PM

BING
Vista: http://download.microsoft.com/documents/useterms/Windows%20Vista_Ultimate_English_36d0fe99-75e4-4875-8153-889cf5105718.pdf

2. INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS. Before you use the software under a license, you must
assign that license to one device (physical hardware system). That device is the “licensed device.”
A hardware partition or blade is considered to be a separate device.
a. Licensed Device. You may install one copy of the software on the licensed device. You may
use the software on up to two processors on that device at one time. Except as provided in the
Storage and Network Use (Ultimate edition) sections below, you may not use the software on any
other device.

XP: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/eula/home.mspx

1.1 Installation and use. You may install, use, access, display and run one copy of the Software on a single computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other device ("Workstation Computer"). The Software may not be used by more than one processor at any one time on any single Workstation Computer.

A little Windows History lesson here, retail copies of Windows XP were originally licensed to be installed on up to 3 different computers per key at the same time (this was retail only, OEM were 1 machine per key). When Vista was released, a big stink came up because Vista reduced retail copies to 1 machine per key. A couple of weeks to a month after the release of Vista, Microsoft quietly modified the online EULA for XP to reduce the number of permitted installations to 1 machine per key as a reaction to news coverage. As far as I am aware, they never pursued anyone who continued to use their retail key on multiple computers (up to 3 machines), and treated the EULA change as just a documentation change to remove that avenue of "Vista is Crappy" news stories.

YOUR BASE

06-26-2009, 04:31 PM

When will I be charged if i pre-order this?

eastx

06-26-2009, 04:53 PM

Your Base you'll be charged when it ships.

udabenshen

06-26-2009, 04:54 PM

What system is this game for?

oh for god's sake...

qwerty1

06-26-2009, 05:11 PM

A little Windows History lesson here, retail copies of Windows XP were originally licensed to be installed on up to 3 different computers per key at the same time (this was retail only, OEM were 1 machine per key). When Vista was released, a big stink came up because Vista reduced retail copies to 1 machine per key. A couple of weeks to a month after the release of Vista, Microsoft quietly modified the online EULA for XP to reduce the number of permitted installations to 1 machine per key as a reaction to news coverage. As far as I am aware, they never pursued anyone who continued to use their retail key on multiple computers (up to 3 machines), and treated the EULA change as just a documentation change to remove that avenue of "Vista is Crappy" news stories.

Maybe that was something planned for XPs initial release [which would be news to me] but there was absolutely no change in their policy due to vista so in that regard you are 100% wrong. XP was 1 license per computer which i can recall reading as far back as 2003.

A quick google revealed this thread taking place in 2003 discussing exactly this

http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/thread-611673.php

There were "shady" ways to get around the limit but it doesnt change Microsofts Policy which was 1 license per computer. Unfounded posts like yours create conspiracy theories.

Reaperain

06-26-2009, 05:24 PM

lol will people stop whining? Seriously? I just preordered mine. I think its great. I was dreading the fact that I would have to buy this later on this year because Im running the Release Candidate. I figured Id have to buy it for at least $80 if not way more. I call em up and they say that I can easily just use the Home Premium Upgrade to install the full Version of Windows 7. Its so awesome. $50 is nothing when you look at it. I would buy Pro but I just cant dish that much cash right now.

As for gaming...Im loving it on my Windows 7 RC 64bit. Im Maxing like 6 games. All Im waiting for right now is a new patch for Empire Total War. Damn nVidia Drivers always screws things up.

YOUR BASE

06-26-2009, 05:42 PM

How does this upgrade work? Currently I am using a pirated copy of XP, could I upgrade using that? I also have a legit copy of XP MCE, but it's on a Vaio desktop that I don't use anymore, the problem is I couldn't install it on this computer. My final option would be a legit OEM copy of XP that was installed on another computer, but hasn't been used in years. Could I transfer the license over to this machine?

Your Base you'll be charged when it ships.

Alright, thanks.

OGHowie

06-26-2009, 05:44 PM

In for 2.

Ecofreak

06-26-2009, 05:59 PM

In for two copies of Home Premium.

Dezuria

06-26-2009, 06:13 PM

Right from MS' site..

If you have Windows Vista, you can purchase Windows 7 Upgrade versions. You can do a clean install (back up your files, clean install, and reinstall your applications) or an in-place upgrade (Windows 7 installs over Windows Vista).

Now that it's confirmed... pre-ordered. :)

Sir_Fragalot

06-26-2009, 06:32 PM

Does anyone know if the clean install is like an XP upgrade clean install where they just ask for a XP disk during installation or is it fucked up where you need an XP installation on your machine and install while in XP?

doubledown

06-26-2009, 07:16 PM

better deal at Microcenter
http://microcenter.com/storefronts/microsoft/windows7/preorder.html

paintball745

06-26-2009, 07:25 PM

i have windows vista oem can i upgrade using this anyone know?

bigdaddybruce44

06-26-2009, 07:34 PM

qwerty1

06-26-2009, 07:37 PM

A number of people have asked about OEM. OEM software is the same, exact thing as retail. The only difference is that it doesn't come in a box and lacks all of the support from MS. So, whatever you can do with retail software you can do with OEM.

wrong. OEM copies can only be installed once onto a certain computer and once its installed thats it. If you change any hardware that triggers an activation you will not be allowed to activate the OS. You will then have to go out and buy another copy.

bigdaddybruce44

06-26-2009, 07:40 PM

OGHowie

06-26-2009, 07:42 PM

better deal at Microcenter
http://microcenter.com/storefronts/microsoft/windows7/preorder.html

Is there free shipping and no tax?

basketb

06-26-2009, 07:42 PM

Adding tax and money for gas doesn't necessarily make this a better deal.

guyver2077

06-26-2009, 07:45 PM

I'd need the full disk....not an upgrade disk

because umm....I'm captain jack sparrowin' my laptop right now...

lmao

well said... o aint we all'

bubo

06-26-2009, 07:49 PM

Maybe that was something planned for XPs initial release [which would be news to me] but there was absolutely no change in their policy due to vista so in that regard you are 100% wrong. XP was 1 license per computer which i can recall reading as far back as 2003.

A quick google revealed this thread taking place in 2003 discussing exactly this

http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/thread-611673.php

There were "shady" ways to get around the limit but it doesnt change Microsofts Policy which was 1 license per computer. Unfounded posts like yours create conspiracy theories.

Heh, I just looked up the original article where I first learned about the XP EULA change, and noticed that about 2 weeks after it was published they printed a redaction against it. My apologies, I was working off of a bad article.

palejackal

06-26-2009, 07:52 PM

Just to be clear: seeing as how MS says you'll need to do a clean install if you have XP, and that operating systems besides XP will also need a clean install... doesn't that mean that you're fine with installing on a fresh system with no previous OS installed?

Maybe I'm dumb and completely wrong, but I'm pretty sure MS also recommends a "new computer" (for those with older systems, I suppose.)

I do have a legit copy of XP, so it'd be nice to use that copy of XP for another computer if I need to, and not have it tied to my Windows 7 computer or something.

LancerEvoX

06-26-2009, 08:01 PM

About the how many copies Windows 7 can be installed from...

From a tester:
I am awaiting answers on some of the same questions but I will answer what I can.

(1) still wainting on answer for lincensingFrom an user:
I called Microsoft Licensing and Product Support.

They said no info is available on the licensing for Win 7. No info on how many PCs a single copy of the Win 7 Upgreades can be installed on.Source:http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/GettingReadyforWindows7/thread/ab922da4-23c3-4f00-93db-5adbf28846e6

Nohbdy

06-26-2009, 08:13 PM

better deal at Microcenter
http://microcenter.com/storefronts/microsoft/windows7/preorder.html

Oh come ON, I don't want to waste gas.

06-26-2009, 08:32 PM

wrong. OEM copies can only be installed once onto a certain computer and once its installed thats it. If you change any hardware that triggers an activation you will not be allowed to activate the OS. You will then have to go out and buy another copy.
So you are saying, all those times I reinstalled an OEM copy of XP or Vista I was just lucky to never have to go rebuy my OS? They weren't images either, OEM install discs. I'm going to call shenanigans.

On topic, I ended up buying a third professional license. Building another machine in a couple months so I want the Windows 7 to permeate my apartment. Now I just need to fully update my Server 2008 setup and I'll be back up to date again.

kylerg

06-26-2009, 08:33 PM

I don't have a Vista disc (cheap HP) so how would it work for me?

sunnysky

06-26-2009, 08:34 PM

I like the microcenter deal, but it's only one coupon per household.
I guess I'll just get the Pro version from Microcenter, and the home premium from Amazon (for my wife's laptop. even though she won't really realize the advantages of it).

06-26-2009, 08:38 PM

I don't have a Vista disc (cheap HP) so how would it work for me?
Well, two ways, you could do an in place upgrade over your current setup, or the option of spending $13 for HP to send you the OEM install discs. The computer restore kits only cost around that much last time I check. You could then install over a clean setup. Granted, not as good as regular media but it would be cleaner than all the junk installed already.

I'm unsure as to if you could do a clean install using an OEM disc for verification. I don't see why you couldn't but I can't test until October.

Vegan

06-26-2009, 08:43 PM

better deal at Microcenter
http://microcenter.com/storefronts/microsoft/windows7/preorder.html

And some of us have never seen a "Microcenter" in our lives.

hordak

06-26-2009, 08:45 PM

better deal at Microcenter
http://microcenter.com/storefronts/microsoft/windows7/preorder.html

This is an iffy deal. After CA tax, the price comes out to roughly same on the pro version ... not to mention that you have to make two trips to Microcenter (one for the coupon and the second for the purchase), and the for the second trip, there's not guarantee that they'll have the item in stock. On the other hand, you can grab a coupon (without the requirement to buy) and see if anything other better deal comes out in the meantime.

kylerg

06-26-2009, 08:49 PM

Well, two ways, you could do an in place upgrade, or the better option of spending $13 for HP to send you the OEM install discs. The computer restore kits only cost around that much last time I check. All the ones I have ordered are OEM media.

Thanks. I remembered that I have a copy of Dell XP discs. Wonder if that would work. I know Dell discs normally only work well with Dell systems..but for upgrading...?

NutManIV

06-26-2009, 08:51 PM

$50? Sold.

sunnysky

06-26-2009, 08:51 PM

Wait a minute here. So, we can only do an upgrade if we first insert an OEM vista disc? That doesn't sound right at all. I mean how often do people get those. Why would MS force people to contact PC manufacturers for OEM discs first, before upgrading to W7. I would think the W7 disc would be able to search your PC drives, to determine if you have a liscensed version.

06-26-2009, 08:54 PM

I didn't clarify my statement first, that's my fault. You could use those OEM discs to do a clean install of the selected OS then upgrade. I'm not sure if you could do a clean install of Windows 7 off of an OEM disc for verification. Don't see why you couldn't, but I haven't done it. I can test it in October.

Also, it used to be standard practice for manufacturers to send those OEM discs to the customer, but they stopped doing that for whatever stupid reason. HP is the biggest offender.

Thanks. I remembered that I have a copy of Dell XP discs. Wonder if that would work. I know Dell discs normally only work well with Dell systems..but for upgrading...?
Well, I've used OEM install media on systems other than what they were designed, and all I had to do was type in the cd-key from the sticker on the device and it almost always activated properly without any issue.

I don't want my statements further up being misconstrued as being able to use an OEM disc to allow a clean install. I don't know and can't say for certain. That will be something to ask Microsoft for clarification or test when it's released.

kylerg

06-26-2009, 09:05 PM

Sounds like you can do clean installs with a disc check? It says clean (fresh) or in place (on top). Am I understanding correctly?

06-26-2009, 09:09 PM

Sounds like you can do clean installs with a disc check? It says clean (fresh) or in place (on top). Am I understanding correctly?

Right from MS' site..

If you have Windows Vista, you can purchase Windows 7 Upgrade versions. You can do a clean install (back up your files, clean install, and reinstall your applications) or an in-place upgrade (Windows 7 installs over Windows Vista).

Now that it's confirmed... pre-ordered. :)

That post seems to confirm it, but there isn't a direct link. It does clarify that it has to be Vista media though. Remember though, all of this is conjecture without a 100% confirmation from Microsoft or testing.

kylerg

06-26-2009, 09:11 PM

I would be sold on it in that case. I don't want to carry multiple OS discs around installing on top of each other in the case I wanted to reinstall.

To be clear, the term "upgrade" just means you already own and run a version of Windows on the PC you're upgrading. It's still a complete set of bits that you can clean install and even set up for dual booting. The "full" version is mostly for people who are building their own systems.

06-26-2009, 09:15 PM

I would be sold on it in that case. I don't want to carry multiple OS discs around installing on top of each other in the case I wanted to reisntall.
If what I've read in a Microsoft press item, all versions of Windows 7 has the Backup Center, which allows you to create an image of your OS install. My recommendation is to create a base install and activate. Install all your minimum OS and items, then backup. That way when you want to redo your machine, just use that base image you created and you are good to go. Much quicker and get the same results. You can backup the image to discs, or a removable hard drive. I prefer the hard drive option personally. I do this exact procedure with my Windows Vista setups and my Windows 7 RC installs too.

Anyways, this is extremely off topic, if you have any other questions just PM me.

iiinightmar3ii

06-26-2009, 09:17 PM

Got one for $40 from best buy. Had a reward certificate that expires tomorrow, so this turned out to be perfect.

doubledown

06-26-2009, 09:22 PM

I didn't read through all of this, does this apply to the 64bit version also?

Dezuria

06-26-2009, 09:34 PM

That post seems to confirm it, but there isn't a direct link. It does clarify that it has to be Vista media though. Remember though, all of this is conjecture without a 100% confirmation from Microsoft or testing.

Ok, here is a link to where I got my quote from. It's on the bottom of the page.
http://store.microsoft.com/microsoft/Windows-7-Home-Premium-Upgrade/product/B0F9E641

06-26-2009, 09:39 PM

Thanks for that, I wasn't doubting you I just like having links when possible.

zakai

06-26-2009, 09:46 PM

Just a word of warning for those expecting just a 'disc check' to verify your Windows XP/Vista ownership: Microsoft had recently changed this 'workaround' for the Vista installation to make sure you had an installed, genuinely authenticated copy of Windows XP before you could proceed (removing the disc check option for a clean install).

On Microsoft's website for Windows 7 upgrade FAQ, "To be eligible for the offer, you need to be running a genuine copy of the Windows XP or Windows Vista operating systems." In the case of Windows XP, the upgrade CD will format and clean install when you run the CD during your last session of Windows XP. In the case of Vista, it will simply update the platform with fixes, leaving most settings intact (e.g., Windows 2000 to XP upgrade).

Just putting this out there; hopefully Microsoft may consider reimplementing the disc check, but just posting this tidbit so people aren't surprised if Microsoft doesn't.

Nohbdy

06-26-2009, 09:51 PM

Guys, if you lack a disc for your operating system, go look for WIMs. They're free to download from Microsoft and they contain ALL the data to install any OS you need.

More importantly, just before you go off and reinstall your OS, ESPECIALLY with those who got something from like HP, you need to run this: http://directedge.us/content/abr-activation-backup-and-restore

It takes the keys that's linked to your install of the OS so you don't have to get duped into authentication issues. It's totally legit because, after all, you're using your OWN authenticated Windows version. So run ABR just before you're going to reinstall your OS.

schultzed

06-26-2009, 10:00 PM

Teqonix

06-26-2009, 10:09 PM

A note to anybody that's on the fence about pre-ordering due to licensing questions, pre-order from Amazon. Amazon won't actually charge you until the copies physically ship, so you could pre-order a couple copies to be on the safe side, and if it turns out you don't need both, then just cancel what you need to. There's no penalty for it.

This is an excellent post.

My son really wanted Vista (a geek at 9). So I bought a new Dell last summer (they sent me two PCs :-) which is another story).

I have been happy with Vista (I thought I would be installing XP on the machine).

I'm in no hurry to get 7 . . . I'll wait for the service packs to correct all the problems we don't know about right now.

Have you downloaded the Release Candidate and tried it on a computer yet? (It's easy to dual boot, too.) I've been using 7 as the main OS on ALL my computers (Netbook, Laptop, Media PC, Desktop) and it's damn clear to me the OS is ready for prime time. Try it for a couple weeks and I bet you'd agree. Plus, even if you're not in a hurry to get 7, these prices are only promotional. If you wait for a Service Pack to come out, you'll be paying twice as much for a copy.

06-26-2009, 10:19 PM

My only complaint about Windows 7 came up last night. For some reason my Original Xbox can no longer connect to the shares properly. Nothing changed as far as I know, no updates installed or anything. Definitely odd. Will be looking into that further.

unknownbrackets

06-26-2009, 10:27 PM

I asked someone and, apparently, you must have the previous version (Vista or XP) installed at the time of upgrading. You can do a clean install of the new OS (and with XP, you must), but you must have an activated, installed, genuine version working to use the upgrade.

That means, if you have OEM discs for XP from Dell, you may have trouble putting the upgrade on an HP or a custom built system (personally I find this unfair.)

Again, having the disc and inserting it is apparently not enough.

Unfortunately, I don't have any reference since I asked, and did not find this on some site. My suggestion is to follow advice given above - preorder, check into it yourself, and cancel the preorder if it won't work for you.

-[Unknown]

Dezuria

06-26-2009, 10:32 PM

Well, even if we have to have Vista installed, at least we can do a clean install after. Annoying still, but it's not like we'd reinstall Windows that often.

My main concern was hearing about how converting an OS to a newer version simply isn't as good as a clean install when it comes to stability and performance.

06-26-2009, 10:36 PM

Yeah, clean installs are always the best option. Good thing it is an option.

Skychizen

06-26-2009, 10:40 PM

Planning on building myself a new computer around December or so...Looks like I will just install Windows XP in it with my current CD and then pop in this $50 upgrade CD I just pre-ordered... A very Cheap version of windows 7 if you ask me..

Rig

06-26-2009, 10:44 PM

Tempting.

However, I do usually get free licenses and such for Microsoft products from my college. I got XP/Vista licenses that way. I'm wondering if I should just hope they put up 7.

palejackal

06-26-2009, 10:50 PM

So you are saying, all those times I reinstalled an OEM copy of XP or Vista I was just lucky to never have to go rebuy my OS? They weren't images either, OEM install discs. I'm going to call shenanigans.

I know Dell used to give you genuine copies of Windows XP (but without a box, so that'd be OEM, right?) But now I think they only give you a disc that let's you re-install on the same system or something. So maybe that's where the miscommunication lies.

Apushmataha

06-26-2009, 11:00 PM

I just built a new PC and I am dreading the XP to Win7 jump. I'm using Win7 RC right now, but I will have to call yet AGAIN after I install XP to authenticate it. Not fun.

Ahh, the price I pay for not installing Vista.:bomb:

anubis20

06-26-2009, 11:05 PM

i pre-ordered hopefully a clean install will be possible. Is there only going to be 2 versions this time around as opposed to the 4 vista had

qwerty1

06-26-2009, 11:12 PM

Nope, not at all. I have re-installed OEM OSes on plenty of systems, even after hardware changes. You have to know how to work the system. Besides, the only real hardware change that triggers an activation is the motherboard. Video cards, processors, and the such do not. Thanks for playing, though.

Nonetheless, none of that has anything to do with the topic of this thread. This is about upgrading the OS, which you can definitely do, OEM or retail.

i said nothing about a reinstall, you stated that an OEM copy and retail copy are one in the same, or more specifically

whatever you can do with retail software you can do with OEM

which is incorrect.

OEM versions can only be installed on one computer then its married to it. You can reinstall as many times as you like, but if you change a peice of hardware, such as the motherboard or HDD, or migrate over to a new computer, you invalidate the installation and are required to go purchase another copy. Personally i'd rather buy a retail copy since more than likely, over the say, 3-5 years im going to be using the OS, i'll end up either getting a new PC or would like to change one of those components. Anyway point being OEM copies are not the same as Retail.

"thanks for playing"