SONY PS3 SLIM Thread, AVAILABLE NOW $299, SHARE YOUR STORIES

[Oswald9599]

The proof is in the picture kids.... (updated with extra pic)
BEGINS 8/19/09
PS3 SLIM SHIPS AUGUST 25th ( Pre-Orders state "Ships 8/25")
$299. 120 GIGS SLIMMER FASTER SMARTER

NOW YOU CAN DUMP YOUR FAT PS3 FOR A SLIMMER ONE, JERK!
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/08/ps3-slim-big-1.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3436/3833615213_2c582aab60_b.jpg


http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=5301&pictureid=8782




http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=5301&pictureid=8784


The PS3 system will be $299 for the 80 gig system and $399 for the 160 uncharted bundle, just like myself and so many other people mentioned this past week. Your pal Oswald went down and got the proof so that the many haters and nonbelievers would get what they need and finally start with the enthusiasm that an announcement like this deserves. This Pic is from a sign that might be up in some stores near you, but be warned this price drop is not in any way officially announced by SONY. This price drop will take effect most likely the first week of September or sooner (NOTE: THE EXAMINER LISTED THIS EVENT AS STARTING ON SUNDAY AUG 16, THIS IN NO WAY HAS BEEN CONFIRMED). Sadly the PS3 slim is still just a rumor, but with the old hardware not being shipped anymore, for article go here (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/blog.php?b=10002), the slim can't be far behind. The YMMV deal with FYE is not active or YMMV that deal needs to be deleted. All stores will run this at the same time nationally. More info will come as I get it.


UPDATE 8/16/09: I Checked with every FYE in my area, 15 stores. All the stores have been told by the district manager, after an email I sent him, that this sale/pricedrop will be active once word from SONY is given. GAMESCOM 2009 is tuesday, that will be the first likely news that we get from SONY officialy.

[FroMann]

Does this mean less bitching on the price or are people still going to say it is too expensive?

[Oswald9599]

Oh the bitching will continue

[JJSP]

We're so getting sued again.

[wwe101]

woot!!! i cant wait for the $299 price so i can finally pic a ps3 up

[Oswald9599]

We're so getting sued again.


Im almost sure of it.

[wwe101]

Im almost sure of it.


hey are all the stores dropping their prices on sunday or just fye?

[lokizz]

Does this mean less bitching on the price or are people still going to say it is too expensive?


lmao my first damn thought exactly. you know they will still complain about it and if its not the price then they will whine about not having bc or extra usb ports lol.

[Oswald9599]

hey are all the stores dropping their prices on sunday or just fye?


I dont actually have the full info on that. I do know that the EXAMINER post is def. not confirmed. THIS WILL BE NATIONAL when it happens so I doubt it would be this sunday. You never know though.

[wwe101]

hey can i post the pic into the thread in the gaming deals thread?

[Oswald9599]

yeah thats fine, just change it so that it doesnt say YMMV anymore, and give me some credit and Im cool with it. I mainly did this because I posted this days ago and most of the people on here laughed at me.

[KingBroly]

I don't know...that hand definitely looks shopped.

[Oswald9599]

I don't know...that hand definitely looks shopped.


lol, that's my hand you ass. :lol:

[JJSP]

I assure you, if this gets posted in the deals section, you'll have a) a bunch of moron questions and b) a lawsuit.

[CheapyD]

Oswald, I sent you an email.

[wwe101]

I assure you, if this gets posted in the deals section, you'll have a) a bunch of moron questions and b) a lawsuit.


eek!! i already posted this in the deals section yesterday, should i delete it?

[KingBroly]

lol, that's my hand you ass. :lol:

Well we all know what that means....

YOU'RE NOT REAL!

[saturnotaku]

Does this mean less bitching on the price or are people still going to say it is too expensive?

It's still too expensive (this coming from someone who paid $499 for a launch system :lol:).

[Oswald9599]

Oswald, I sent you an email.


I responded Cheapy.

Let me know if it goes through or not.

[wwe101]

oswald, do you want me to delete the thread in the deals forum?

[JJSP]

If it will let you, that would likely be a good idea.

[Oswald9599]

oswald, do you want me to delete the thread in the deals forum?

For now just take the pic out of the thread. I think that the powers that be are working on something. Cool? Thanks for the enthusiasm though wwe.

[wwe101]

ok i havent put it in yet anyway, just tell me whenever you want me to delete

[KingBroly]

Maybe this one should just be moved to Deals, then. Also, what weekly ad is this for anyway?

[Oswald9599]

Maybe this one should just be moved to Deals, then. Also, what weekly ad is this for anyway?


King this is not a weekly ad, yet. I got this from the actual signage. The date is still unclear, but at least we know now that it's soon and that we can all save some money.

[Oswald9599]

Its up on the front page. Thanks cheapy!

[wwe101]

im so excited for this drop!! now i can finally get a ps3 and play mgs4!!!!
anyone else gettin one now?

[gunm]

It was/is inevitable.

[KingDox]

If it doesn't play PS2 games I don't want it. I can wait.

[prence]

Wow, still too expensive for my tastes but it makes sense to finally drop the price a bit. (Also Pachter was finally right about something!)

[Oswald9599]

Wow, still too expensive for my tastes but it makes sense to finally drop the price a bit. (Also Pachter was finally right about something!)

lol, come on it's so much better than $499. Also I heard some rumors that there might be patches coming for BC so this is def. a win win. PS3 $299 and Xb360 $299, now the real holiday console wars begin.

[Z_meista]

finally, huh?

[Thomas96]

its about damn time!

[antlp89]

Hell yeah, OP!

Hell yeah.

And I guarantee this forum post will be on the mainstream blogs/gaming websites within hours.

Or at least the picture will, as some websites *cough* Kotaku *cough cough* often forget to credit the original source.

By the way, you are the man, son!

[Phunin]

Great freaking news, just in time for me. I was hoping for a price drop by the time Uncharted 2 comes out, looks like I'll be getting one! Woop.

[neocisco]

We're Cheapy is so getting sued again.

Fixed. That's the first thing I thought when I saw it on the front page. I'm wouldn't be surprised if Cheapy has already alerted his attorney to the possibility.

If it doesn't play PS2 games I don't want it. I can wait.

It won't , it's the same old PS3, not a slim. This is standard procedure for clearing out old inventory before releasing a new product. Sony won't announce a slim until they know that a minimum of 95% of inventory has been sold.

[Oswald9599]

Hell yeah, OP!

Hell yeah.

And I guarantee this forum post will be on the mainstream blogs/gaming websites within hours.

Or at least the picture will, as some websites *cough* Kotaku *cough cough* often forget to credit the original source.

By the way, you are the man, son!

thanks for the love!:D

[xhonzi]

Am I wrong, or is this more of a "free harddrive upgrade" than a price cut. Wasn't there $299 and $399 PS3's before? Have the harddrives just gotten bigger?

[A Happy Panda]

=/ Then there's no way the Slim launches at $299 now...sad face. Unless this $299 thing is just to simply clear out stock....then Sony has a ton of pissed off customers complaining that they just bought a PS3 for $299, then they come out with a better, slimmer model for the same price.

[Gillespee]

I wonder if I will be able to buy a used BC compatible one for a lot cheaper now. I'll have to investigate. Great scoop Oswald!

[WhipSmartBanky]

http://digg.com/playstation/Sign_at_FYE_Shows_PS3_Price_Drop

Make sure you guys DIGG it...DIGG it the most!

[Crnulus]

If it doesn't play PS2 games I don't want it. I can wait.

What are you gonna wait for? Because BC will never come back to the system.

[A Happy Panda]

What are you gonna wait for? Because BC will never come back to the system.

Mmm never say never...

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/06/29/sony-patents-software-based-ps2-cpu-emulation/

[kvadair]

Does it seem out of line to anyone else that in the next month or so Sony will be selling the PSP for a mere $50 less than the PS3?

[Dr Mario Kart]

Technically its not a price drop if the 80 gig @ $299 is being discontinued. Its a SKU shuffle. Its a price drop when there is an in production model below $399.

[Crnulus]

Mmm never say never...

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/06/29/sony-patents-software-based-ps2-cpu-emulation/

Yeah, I know about that. As much as I wish you folks that don't have a BC system can get it back/get a BC system, I just very much doubt it'll happen.

The stuff in that link have already been discussed in other forums and people concluded that there's no way we can get BC back w/o the EE/GS chips (and the parts for that would cost sony $$)

I'll still hope that it comes back one day but it just seems foolish to keep waiting even longer for it, especially now that the price is 299.

love my MGS4 bundle :P

[Oswald9599]

Technically its not a price drop if the 80 gig @ $299 is being discontinued. Its a SKU shuffle. Its a price drop when there is an in production model below $399.

lol, buzzkill. Though you technically might be right, it doesnt take away from the fact that these prices will probably see the light of day before the slim. Making them to the general buyer a price drop, and to most non buzkill people as well.:D

[vancelot@comcast.net]

$199.99 oR SHaLL CONTINUE tO iGNORe...

[xGunCrazyx]

lol if this turns into another fake post/ Kotaku freakout fiasco...

[trq]

=/ Then there's no way the Slim launches at $299 now...sad face. Unless this $299 thing is just to simply clear out stock....then Sony has a ton of pissed off customers complaining that they just bought a PS3 for $299, then they come out with a better, slimmer model for the same price.

Yeah, I suspect you're right about where the slim price is gonna fall. Still, if the slim is flat-out BC, then at least we can wait for a drop on *that.*

[wwe101]

lol if this turns into another fake post/ Kotaku freakout fiasco...


lol that would be funny if this was another fake

[oasisboy]

lol if this turns into another fake post/ Kotaku freakout fiasco...

4 real...

Is this package finally going to include an HDMI cable? or do I have to wait a week and buy a HDMI cable at Monoprice :lol:

[Fertil1ty]

fake

[Indignate]

Oswald has been on that PS3 price drop and now he finally has his proof. Way to go man.

PS3 $299 and Xb360 $299, now the real holiday console wars begin.

Yup, specially with the Elite becoming the new $299 model.

=/ Then there's no way the Slim launches at $299 now...sad face. Unless this $299 thing is just to simply clear out stock....then Sony has a ton of pissed off customers complaining that they just bought a PS3 for $299, then they come out with a better, slimmer model for the same price.

This is what is holding me back from getting ready to purchase one. It's most likely the slim will come out at $399 and I won't be able to stand having gotten the older model.

[wwe101]

n

[lokizz]

you know theres always the possibility that the ps3 slim doesnt exist and the "rumor" of it existing was a way to do a price drop and sell some ps3s. if it does exist though theres no way it'll be 299 when things tend to get smaller they often go up in price. like flat screen tvs.

[mykevermin]

We're so getting sued again.

We? No, I just post here. The cat who paid $10K to be on Howard Stern is getting sued. He can afford a classy attorney to look into this. Does he want to? No. Can he afford it? Appears so.

$199.99 oR SHaLL CONTINUE tO iGNORe...

Christ almighty, honeybunch, if you type like that all the time I hope the PS3 never hits $199.99.

[Oswald9599]

lol if this turns into another fake post/ Kotaku freakout fiasco...


Keep drinking that haterade. I am a guerrilla journalist with no photoshop skills,if this is fake, I would be damn proud of how good of a fake it is. Im sure Cheapy wouldnt have put it on the front if he didnt feel my info and source were not valid.

Thanks for your opinion though xGunCrazyx

[Jrashidi]

Great find, man. For those who are quick to put down this find, just wait. Im sure you'll find yourselves wrong soon.

[Watchman]

4 real...

Is this package finally going to include an HDMI cable? or do I have to wait a week and buy a HDMI cable at Monoprice :lol:

Oh heck, just do it anyways. It's about $7. Good to have ready to go. You can use it to discipline children to stay off your lawn until then.

[Cage017]

At $299, the PS3 is something I can afford. Thank you, Sony, for making the choice between PS3 and Xbox much much easier.

Unfortunately, I can't afford it right now. BUT, I am confident I'll own a PS3 before the year ends. I hope by then it will have BC enabled.

Two questions:

1.What is the image to the right of the Uncharted game in the 120 gig picture?

2. How well does the PS3 play PS1 games as compared to the PS2's BC??

[FriskyTanuki]

Christ almighty, honeybunch, if you type like that all the time I hope the PS3 never hits $199.99.
He used his email address as his username, so you might be right on about his typing skills.

I guess they're finally clearing out the 160 GB SKU, which good since that was a dumb move in this economy. With Uncharted being a GH now means those were less of a deal than before, so they need to finally get rid of them.

[Furashu]

At $299, the PS3 is something I can afford. Thank you, Sony, for making the choice between PS3 and Xbox much much easier.

Unfortunately, I can't afford it right now. BUT, I am confident I'll own a PS3 before the year ends. I hope by then it will have BC enabled.

Two questions:

1.What is the image to the right of the Uncharted game in the 120 gig picture?

2. How well does the PS3 play PS1 games as compared to the PS2's BC??

1. i think it comes with PAIN PSN game

2. i think only the 20gb/60gb can play ps1 games, they play them the same as the ps2, but u can get full screen

i got my ps3 like.. 2.5 years ago for $400 with 2 games and 2 controllers woo!

thanks for notifying the nation oswald, too bad u dont have a website or else ud get so much traffic.

[Oswald9599]

1. i think it comes with PAIN PSN game

2. i think only the 20gb/60gb can play ps1 games, they play them the same as the ps2, but u can get full screen

i got my ps3 like.. 2.5 years ago for $400 with 2 games and 2 controllers woo!

thanks for notifying the nation oswald, too bad u dont have a website or else ud get so much traffic.


Lol, I know. Now because of this I'm going to make one, and hopefully I can get some of you CAG's to write for me.

[FriskyTanuki]

Every PS3 can play PS1 games since it's just a software-based emulator.

[Oswald9599]

Updated with extra pic. Shows branding which I kept out originally to protect certain parties. Hope this quells some of the hate, but once again thanks to all of you who are supporting this.

[StarKnightX]

=/ Then there's no way the Slim launches at $299 now...sad face. Unless this $299 thing is just to simply clear out stock....then Sony has a ton of pissed off customers complaining that they just bought a PS3 for $299, then they come out with a better, slimmer model for the same price.

That's assuming that the Slim is the same as the standard PS3 model , aside from being smaller. Word going around seemed to imply that the slim would either lose USB ports and/or loose wi-fi functionality out of the box (ie , make it just like the 360). If either of those end up being true , then those that pick up an older unit at the new price would make out better than someone who picks up a slim at that price.

As for me , I really don't care whether it ends up being a slim model or not , $299 is a price I can live with for the PS3 , now I just need to wait for the drop itself (and to finally get around to getting an HDTV to use with it , as well as my 360).

[mykevermin]

Oh, yes. Thanks, Oswald - for being the next martyr speedy.

[Oswald9599]

Oh, yes. Thanks, Oswald - for being the next martyr speedy.


aww man. I miss speedy.

[Monsta Mack]

I'll hold out for three things.

1) The Slim being $299.99. I don't need Wi-Fi since I live in A apartment so no big deal there. USB ports? lol.

2) Dell.com. It's only a matter of time before they put the old PS3's at even lower then $300 or the slim being discounted at say $280 or something.

3) Christmas cash or early purchase next year. No need to rush to get a slim. Wait for the kinks to be mentioned and when those are in mass production. I think even at $300 the 360 will still outsell the PS3, at least in the US. Europe and Japan will be different stories.

[Microshock]

I don't think the Slim will have features taken out, USB ports are needed, at least 2.
And wi-fi is a big need for a lot of people who have consoles in different rooms from routers

Isn't Sony going for the value added approach?

[RudyPants]

Good to know Sony has finally pulled their head out of the sand a bit. I grabbed mine at $399, but $299 will still be too much for most consumers. Needs to be $250 or less by the end of the year IMO.

[SynGamer]

As long as I have 2 USB ports and an HDMI out, that's all I care about. I don't need wifi.

[FroMann]

Good to know Sony has finally pulled their head out of the sand a bit. I grabbed mine at $399, but $299 will still be too much for most consumers. Needs to be $250 or less by the end of the year IMO.
Sorry, but seeing how a Wii is 250 dollars still I think Sony finally got it at the best price point.

[KingBroly]

You have to remember that when consumers see '$100 less than before' the urge to buy increases.

[Monsta Mack]

I'm also wondering if it will beat MS in terms of holiday sales. I know a few people (myself included) that were waiting for a hefty PS3 price drop before getting one.

Also wonder how it will effect Wii sales to.

[Microshock]

There's no doubt in my mind that the PS3 will outsell the 360 if this is true.

What's the difference in total sales? 7 million?

[Monsta Mack]

Depends who you ask. Dr. Mario Kart probably knows better.

I know that on average this year the 360 has been outselling the PS3 by quite a bit monthly. While the Wii just eats everything up as usual.

[xGunCrazyx]

Don't forget that the 360 Elite is going to be $300 at the end of the month
I'm gonna be grabbing one to replace my launch premium for sure lol

btw, kudos for OP putting FYE logo in the photo now :)

[crzyjoeguy]

hmm ill hold out until after the holiday season, see if the slim comes at a decent price. def. interested at 300 though.

[swissmr]

I got my sealed uncharted 160bg bundle last december for $300 on craigslist! I'm suprised all the people "holding out" on here for the past 3 years that havent found their own deals till now. maybe i got lucky i only searched for a week for that deal...

[Microshock]

If they hold out, the sales will always have to be cheaper than the actual price, so now PS3's could be gotten for under 300 easily

[KingBroly]

I'm also wondering if it will beat MS in terms of holiday sales. I know a few people (myself included) that were waiting for a hefty PS3 price drop before getting one.

Also wonder how it will effect Wii sales to.

Well...Microsoft's probably going to do their 2 game bundle this year. But the question is what games? But if Sony counters with a game/movie it could be much more interesting. If they don't, Microsoft wins. But the $100 price difference made Sony close to/beat Microsoft for a few months last year. When that $200 price difference hit again, Microsoft blew them out of the water.

Wii...they have NSMB for Wii and Wii Fit Plus. The unholy alliance of system sellers is on their side this season. Oh, and probably something about shortages and them talking those up. Wii sales have been dipping because they're on shelves in abundance right now. If they limit supply just a tad, they'll go back up.

[Dr Mario Kart]

360 ps3
2005 607,000
2006 3,925,000--688,000
2007 4,619,000-2,558,000
2008 4,807,400-3,544,900
2009 1,823,500-1,241,500
Total 15,781,900-8,032,400
7.7 million difference is harder to make up than you might think.

On the subject of price drops, looking at the trends after the Gamecube and XBOX price drops dont give me any reason to believe that it will make a big difference now in the case of PS3. Spikes of up to 300% occured, within a year they were back to where they were pre-drop. You have to understand that once you are on a decline, theres only so much you can do to offset it. PS2 hit its peak in 2002, but year over year drops were small.

[swissmr]

If they hold out, the sales will always have to be cheaper than the actual price, so now PS3's could be gotten for under 300 easily
oh ok got ya makes sense, the peeps that only had/wanted to spend 200 ish have a better shot. got ya. i was happy with the $499 to $300 at the time. It honestly is a system that warrents any price...meaning I'm all for price drops but it is a $500 feeling system. although i am from the kid nes generation, all systems now are soooo amazing.

[ASLplease]

360 ps3
2005 607,000
2006 3,925,000--688,000
2007 4,619,000-2,558,000
2008 4,807,400-3,544,900
2009 1,823,500-1,241,500
Total 15,781,900-8,032,4007.7 million difference is harder to make up than you might think.

Isn't that for America only though?

[shafnitz]

Tempting, but I think I'm still gonna wait. They've gotta add back-compat in again at some point, right? Otherwise I'll have to get a 60gb off eBay...

[Dr Mario Kart]

Correct, thats NPD (US). In Japan, PS3 leads 3 million to 1 million. Europe is hard to get good numbers for, but 360 probably has a fractional lead overall due to strength in the UK in particular.

The chances of PS3 overtaking 360 worldwide is very slim.

It is interesting to note that 2nd place in Japan has been 3rd worldwide for over 20 years.

Wii: first in Japan, first worldwide
PS3: second in Japan, 3rd worldwide

PS2: first in Japan, first worldwide
GC: second in Japan, 3rd worldwide

PSX: first in Japan, first worldwide
Saturn: second in Japan, 3rd worldwide

SNES: first in Japan, first worldwide
PC Engine: second in Japan, 3rd worldwide

[Paco]

Correct, thats NPD (US). In Japan, PS3 leads 3 million to 1 million. Europe is hard to get good numbers for, but 360 probably has a fractional lead overall due to strength in the UK in particular.

The chances of PS3 overtaking 360 worldwide is very slim.

America is an uphill battle, especially when you already got the poor frat boys and essentially uneducated masses with your system, but I say it has a chance to even out when you consider it worldwide.

[Paco]

Correct, thats NPD (US). In Japan, PS3 leads 3 million to 1 million. Europe is hard to get good numbers for, but 360 probably has a fractional lead overall due to strength in the UK in particular.

The chances of PS3 overtaking 360 worldwide is very slim.

It is interesting to note that 2nd place in Japan has been 3rd worldwide for over 20 years.

Wii: first in Japan, first worldwide
PS3: second in Japan, 3rd worldwide

PS2: first in Japan, first worldwide
GC: second in Japan, 3rd worldwide

PSX: first in Japan, first worldwide
Saturn: second in Japan, 3rd worldwide

SNES: first in Japan, first worldwide
PC Engine: second in Japan, 3rd worldwide

The N64 was second in Japan not the Saturn. The N64 sold more since the Saturn was prematurely killed.

[Dr Mario Kart]

I'm not so sure about that. I'm showing Saturn running from 1994 to 2000 in Japan. I dont have exact hardware numbers, but I have top 100 software from 1996 forward and Saturn murders N64. Maybe they were just really hardcore :)

For example.
1996: Titles in top 100 - Units
Sega Saturn 33 8655960
Nintendo 64 4 1642921

1997: Titles in top 100 - Units
Sega Saturn 20 4398103
Nintendo 64 8 2330510

[Paco]

I'm not so sure about that. I'm showing Saturn running from 1994 to 2000 in Japan. I dont have exact hardware numbers, but I have top 100 software from 1996 forward and Saturn murders N64. Maybe they were just really hardcore :)

For example.
1996: Titles in top 100 - Units
Sega Saturn 33 8655960
Nintendo 64 4 1642921

1997: Titles in top 100 - Units
Sega Saturn 20 4398103
Nintendo 64 8 2330510

To be fair the saturn DID have a lot of those hentai games..........

[Barnolde]

You can buy a 80GB PS3, then upgrade your HDD to a 320GB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010150380%201309733643&bop=And&ActiveSearchResult=True&Order=PRICE), then buy Uncharted and Pain separately, all for the price for the 160GB model.

80GB PS3 - $300
320GB HDD - $60
Uncharted - $30
Pain - $10

[KingBroly]

2 things you're forgetting:
#1 - Taxes
#2 - Convenience for the ignorant/lazy

[rmb]

Considering the fact that more U.S. households have 360's than a PS3, it only makes sence that with this drop the PS3 will outsell the 360 this holiday season. If they can't do it this year they might as well give up.

[mis0]

I thought the PS3 dropped in price ages ago? I got my 160 GB for $388 shipped. :D

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

That's assuming that the Slim is the same as the standard PS3 model , aside from being smaller. Word going around seemed to imply that the slim would either lose USB ports and/or loose wi-fi functionality out of the box (ie , make it just like the 360). If either of those end up being true , then those that pick up an older unit at the new price would make out better than someone who picks up a slim at that price.

As for me , I really don't care whether it ends up being a slim model or not , $299 is a price I can live with for the PS3 , now I just need to wait for the drop itself (and to finally get around to getting an HDTV to use with it , as well as my 360).

Right now(and apparently until next January)Target has an ACER LCD monitor that will work with the PS3. It has ports for VGA, HDMI and one other input method(which eludes me right now).

It's only $189, which is even cheap enough for me. However, it's only a 21" model, but that's more than enough for me.

[gbpackers94]

I don't think PS3 should have a price drop. It's a shame that a 360 with 20 GB is the same price as 80 GB PS3. The PS3 is obviously the superior hardware. It may not be the better experience but it at least the thing isn't a piece of ****.

[darkpice]

wow. if this price drop happens before the end of the month on amazon, people that still have there $75 console coupon will be very happy with a $225 ps3.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

I don't think PS3 should have a price drop. It's a shame that a 360 with 20 GB is the same price as 80 GB PS3. The PS3 is obviously the superior hardware. It may not be the better experience but it at least the thing isn't a piece of ****.

Could you wipe your nose, it's got something brown on it. I mean, I know the 360 has a hell of a problem, but SO DID THE PS2(DRE, disc scratching, other problems) and people still bought the shit out of that atrociously flawed piece of hardware.

Personally, I think Sony NEEDS to drop the price and SOON. It was overpriced when it launched and it's STILL overpriced now. If not for having cheap credit in spades and having just sold a shitload of last gen games when I did for the price I did, I would've never bought my PS3 at all.

Four hundred to six hundred bucks is just too fuckin' much for a game console. Nintendo had the right idea this gen. Keep it simple, keep it cheap, sell like crazy. Hopefully, both MS and Sony paid attention and know that they don't need all the fancy bells and whistles next gen and to keep the price reasonable if they wanna make sales.

[mdmola]

Right now(and apparently until next January)Target has an ACER LCD monitor that will work with the PS3. It has ports for VGA, HDMI and one other input method(which eludes me right now).

It's only $189, which is even cheap enough for me. However, it's only a 21" model, but that's more than enough for me.

Go to www.newegg.com and search under the monitors. You'll find something much better for that price =]

[johnnypark]

I just checked other news sites (mostly via Gametab) and it doesn't look like anyone else has picked this up yet. Being the internet, I'm surprised it hasn't spread like wildfire.

[Colgol]

Well, IMO clearly this is also the confirmation on an upcomming slim version of PS3.

[KingDox]

I just checked other news sites (mostly via Gametab) and it doesn't look like anyone else has picked this up yet. Being the internet, I'm surprised it hasn't spread like wildfire.

Its the weekend, the bloggers are too lazy to pick it up. Once Monday rolls around this will blow up.

[dumlaox]

It is the weekend. Give it till tomorrow for Kotaku to get it then Monday for everyone else. That's what happened to the post about the new install sizes for the new NXE, at least.

I already have my PS3 (20GB model) but I do have a friend that's been waiting for a price drop before he gets it for his family. Once we have a solid date for this, I'm pretty sure he'd be happy about it and get it sooner than he originally planned. Thanks again, Oswald, for the post.

One thing I'm wondering about, and I apologize if this would be the wrong place to bring this up, would be the new price for the remaining 60GB Xbox 360 models. We already have pics showing the 120GB price drop and pics showing the new Arcade boxes that omit the Pro version. If/When the Elite drops to $300, Microsoft will want to price the Pro version to move out as quickly as possible and depending on the price given by either Microsoft or retailers, it could offset any sales boosts Sony would have with this current price drop.

[silverwolf0]

I am sure there are many anti-Sony fanboys posting on here that don't care if the PS3 drops to $299, $199, or even $99. They will still continue to complain about something. I wish I could just reach out and smack them all at once with a broomstick for every dumb reason they give or for every lie they make. It's like watching a townhall for health care reform in a red state. At least the taint is a bit lighter here as opposed to trying to read non-deleted comments on N4G.

I do believe this story to be true, and I really had no idea FYE actually sold consoles. The FYE at my local mall has eliminated games altogether. I've read too many rumors and leaks about the PS3 slim to not believe that it will come out and a price drop is in the works to move older PS3 models, considering they already had tangible price drops for the 80GB to $380 and the 160GB to $450 at Newegg some time ago. I highly doubt the PS3 slim would be a gimped version of the original, considering the PS2 slim wasn't gimped and Sony has a reputation to keep up. They may be price-conscious, but not trying to look like the local Wal-Mart branded goods.

The inclusion of PS2 support for the PS3 was probably just a bad business decision early on that they have rectified since their PS2 platform is still very healthy and still selling like hotcakes. I don't think the original removal of the emotion engine chip and CPU was done for cost savings at all. The PS2 slim had been $129 for the longest time and now $99 for quite a while now, so anyone who really cares enough to play the great games of last generation would have already bought one or owned one by now. It's even cheaper than a DS or a PSP.

[Brian9824]

Good. I've been waiting for the PS3 to drop in price so as soon as this goes live i'll snag one. Hopefully we get more news on how many games the backwards compatibility will cover.

[Brian9824]

Could you wipe your nose, it's got something brown on it. I mean, I know the 360 has a hell of a problem, but SO DID THE PS2(DRE, disc scratching, other problems) and people still bought the shit out of that atrociously flawed piece of hardware.

Personally, I think Sony NEEDS to drop the price and SOON. It was overpriced when it launched and it's STILL overpriced now. If not for having cheap credit in spades and having just sold a shitload of last gen games when I did for the price I did, I would've never bought my PS3 at all.

Four hundred to six hundred bucks is just too fuckin' much for a game console. Nintendo had the right idea this gen. Keep it simple, keep it cheap, sell like crazy. Hopefully, both MS and Sony paid attention and know that they don't need all the fancy bells and whistles next gen and to keep the price reasonable if they wanna make sales.

Honestly i had a launch PS2 that was picked up day one w/ 0 problems that died about 2 years ago after heavy use. I've already gone thru one 360 console with RROD. So yeah, i can understand where he is coming from.

I'm just glad i paid retail for it and bought it from Costco as they have a lifetime warranty. They will continue to replace it for free if it ever breaks again.

[Frogurt.man]

Hopefully we get more news on how many games the backwards compatibility will cover.

When was the PS3 backwards compatibility confirmed?

[gravel]

My two local FYEs don't carry games anymore, so I guess if I want one(I'm still on the fence, the only exclusive out right now that I really want to play is Infamous) I'll have to wait for this to spread to other retailers.

[MaxBiaggi3]

The most I've ever paid for any new console is $200. I paid that for my original PS2, my original Xbox and my 360 Arcade, so I'm not about to start paying $300 for a phat PS3 when details on the new slim model will likely come out soon.

If it's important to you to own a console early in its lifecycle, you're welcome to pay $300+ for the privilege, but I've got a big enough backlog of last gen games to keep me occupied until this hardware generation's asking price reaches the $200 threshold.

[Thomas96]

I wonder if any retailer would price match this add.

[Cage017]

I don't know about other retailers, but at Target we have a video playing on multiple screens in a continuous loop convincing people to buy Blu-Ray. Seeing as how the 360 doesn't have Blu-Ray, people are going to go for this new priced PS3 fast. And it occured to me that the whole idea of the PS2 slim could be to a) take up less room on top of your PS3 so b) Sony wouldn't need to add an app for BC. Maybe this PS3 slim is merely some rumor after all.

Speaking of BC, my copy of RE3 plays better on my PS1 than it does on my PS2. I was curious if the PS3 uses the same chip/hardware to play PS1 games as the PS2 or if it's new hardware all together.

[PenguinoMF]

C'mon Amazon follow FYE by the end of the month. I got that $75 off console coupon burning a hole in my pocket. My luck they will lower the price the first week of September. I know they don't price match after purchase any more but I will be fighting for it.

[Charybdis]

I saw the sign up with the new prices a few days ago (wednesday, I think) at the FYE in the Mall of America while I was in Minnesota. I didn't think anything of it, I haven't been keeping up with the prices since I've had one for a while.

[Ryukahn]

Fantastic news!:applause:

[tenma]

I got my sealed uncharted 160bg bundle last december for $300 on craigslist! I'm suprised all the people "holding out" on here for the past 3 years that havent found their own deals till now. maybe i got lucky i only searched for a week for that deal...

Well, I've been looking forward to a price drop not so a new console can be purchased more easily, but so the used prices fall even more. If so many of the great games weren't multi-plat I probably would've bought a PS3 by now.

[jh6269]

Go buy a PS3 now so we can get some more love from the Game Devs :D
Tell your friends.

[flameofdoom666]

It has been al ong time coming.

Honestly- I will only bite if a slim PS3 is 300, with PS2 compatibility.

[BigBizzee]

I suppose that's the key question right now - how much will the PS3 slim cost (assuming it is real)?

Should people still be waiting?

[karkyco]

Aaaaaaand Cease and Desist letter(s) coming from FYE and/or Sony in 5...4...3...2...

Followed by bullshit threats from Sony and FYE legal departments, demands for Oswald9599 (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/member.php?u=59805) 's identity, blah blah blah. Film at 11

[goldvenom69]

I will still buy the ps3 at full price is a great ENTERTAINING SYSTEM in my opinion.

[FadeToOne]

Seems funny that they'd put the regular prices in the ad if it's an official drop. Those wouldn't be the regular prices anymore...

[silverwolf0]

What is it with spy photos and blurry cell cam pictures? This doesn't even look covert.

[Oswald9599]

What is it with spy photos and blurry cell cam pictures? This doesn't even look covert.


Iphone+Shaking hand+limited time=blurry pic.

[Oswald9599]

Man theres a celebration on NEOGAF after seeing this,

Sad part is this Confirms the SLIM will NOT be $299 because Sony can't do.


Old hardware $299
new hardware $299 its not good financial sense.


So the 80GB will be $299 soon, IF you can find one, stores are selling out fully because Sony stopped making them


Im thinking the slim will be shown at gamescom and then it will all finally be out and over with.

[Mako1215]

I don't if I should get one at 299$ or wait and see what they say about BC or just get a 60GB off ebay or something.... choices. So many choices.

[JJSP]

$299 for a PS3 means Dell will have them for around $225 when their coupon rolls around. Can't wait.

[jer7583]

I find myself feeling a lot more MEH about this than I expected.

No PS2 Back Compat, no buy.

[gcantu77]

Fellow Cags,

As of 8/14/09, I found these systems marked down @ Fry's Electronics in Las Vegas.

If only backwards compatibility was fully integrated... Holding out until God of War 3, though, it's difficult with such temptations.

[Microshock]

I find myself feeling a lot more MEH about this than I expected.

No PS2 Back Compat, no buy.

There's no fucking pleasing anybody
The PS3 should be 5 bucks and come with TWENTY GAMES AND like 5 controllers! OTHERWISE NO BUY!

[Oswald9599]

There's no fucking pleasing anybody
The PS3 should be 5 bucks and come with TWENTY GAMES AND like 5 controllers! OTHERWISE NO BUY!


We knew that stuff like this would happen. We are all cheap, but some people want to go that extra mile and force more people to have to close down to get you the price you want.

Like I said before, now we are finally on a competitive playing field for all three systems going into the holidays. This is good news for us all.

[evildeadjedi]

Welcome back to the console wars Sony we missed you. :)

[tenma]

I find myself feeling a lot more MEH about this than I expected.

No PS2 Back Compat, no buy.

I understand your point, but...seriously, a used ps2 is like $60 on eBay.

[loxthefox]

For anyone wondering, Destructoid posted the story:

http://www.destructoid.com/rumortoid-ps3-price-cuts-get-shown-off-at-fye-144326.phtml#comment

[Shrapnellistic]

Always knew the legitimate leak would be on CAG.

[mykevermin]

I find myself feeling a lot more MEH about this than I expected.

Funny you say this, because you're bitching about Sony precisely like I expected.

Does this mean I know you better than you know you?

[mwynn]

I understand your point, but...seriously, a used ps2 is like $60 on eBay.

Radio Shack has new ps2's for 70.

[KingBroly]

Always knew the legitimate leak would be on CAG.

Almost every legitimate Price Drop leak is on CAG. Hopefully Sony doesn't try to do to Oswald what they did to Speedy.

[johnnyrocker360]

that's a fake picture just admit it oswald

[Oswald9599]

that's a fake picture just admit it oswald


It's Real.

But I will admit that you are pretty annoying johnnyrocker.

[lokizz]

There's no fucking pleasing anybody
The PS3 should be 5 bucks and come with TWENTY GAMES AND like 5 controllers! OTHERWISE NO BUY!


its good to know im not the only one who gets annoyed with all the price/bc whining going on. i can undertand wanting to get a deal but fucking cmon people. its 299 now and youre still complaining. there have been and still are alot of great deals for getting a new console just do the damn work and find them. you knew and have know that they dont make systems with bc anymore so you either buy an older console or get a ps2.

people holding out for a slim if they even exist it will be more expensive than older ps3s again thats if it even exists. if youre going to buy one do it if its still too pricey at 299 then look for ways to make t cheaper from the deals sections but please for the love of God stop the damn whining already.

[Blackout]

$300 is a pretty good price for the system. Sony would have been kicking ass and taking names if they released it at that price but I guess that would have been impossible. I really hope this isn't some clearing out stock price drop until the Slim comes out and then they jack up the price again.

[Dr Mario Kart]

I dont think its unreasonable at all for people to complain that it took nearly 3 years for the PS3 to reach the maximum acceptable launch price for home consoles. I'm not in the market for one so it doesnt personally matter to me what the price is, I'm just an observer here.

[Phunin]

Lol, it's rumored to be priced at $300

[shlby]

The biggest shock for me right now is finding out FYE is still in business?

[Oswald9599]

$300 is a pretty good price for the system. Sony would have been kicking ass and taking names if they released it at that price but I guess that would have been impossible. I really hope this isn't some clearing out stock price drop until the Slim comes out and then they jack up the price again.


Blackout

I am really worried about that as well. The biggest issue would be that this stock gets cleared out (NOTE: Most sites have stopped listing 80 gig ps3 consoles, FYE was the first one I noticed) and the slim DOES come out but at $349.99. That would be a huge slap in the face, yes it's a new model, but that constant price jumping would cause a major conflict within the retail and consumers minds.

[SynGamer]

These $100 'price drops' aren't actually price drops, they are sales by the retailers trying to clear out stock for a new model. Sony hasn't dropped the price on the PS3 from $399 yet. I'm expecting $349.99 (maybe with a game?)...it just makes financial sense for Sony. They can't continue to lose money on this thing and expect to stay afloat. I'm still hoping for $299, but I just don't see how they can do it...

[Cage017]

With news on a price cut and more speculation on the slim, I figured this would be appropriate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw_wWCHwOmc

[Oswald9599]

These $100 'price drops' aren't actually price drops, they are sales by the retailers trying to clear out stock for a new model. Sony hasn't dropped the price on the PS3 from $399 yet. I'm expecting $349.99 (maybe with a game?)...it just makes financial sense for Sony. They can't continue to lose money on this thing and expect to stay afloat. I'm still hoping for $299, but I just don't see how they can do it...


They can do it by giving solid support to software. The issue has always been that the high price tag would be okay if it was followed by formidable software and quantity. I mean I remember when the GAME BOY was $300. Yet it had the software and brand recognition to sell systems. The Playstation brand has easily the highest install rate next to Nintendo as a whole. Everyone loved and almost everyone owns a PS2. The PS3 going to a lower price reaffirms the install base from PS2. It's not a matter of how they can, It is that they have to or this will be another bust holiday for Sony.

[SynGamer]

Thing is, I can see Sony pricing the Slim at $349.99 and then letting retails offer the deals for $299. The retailers get a pretty nice discount when they buy from Sony (last I checked it was roughly 30% but that's a bit old) so That means if they buy a PS3 Slim for $349.99 from Sony, they are paying roughly $244.99. So they can price the PS3 at $299 and still make money while Sony may finally start to break even...

Just throwing it out there.

[Ryukahn]

They can't continue to lose money on this thing and expect to stay afloat. I'm still hoping for $299, but I just don't see how they can do it...

I was under the impression that manufacturing costs of the PS3 had decreased substantially and a $299 price point was very reasonable.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

I dont think its unreasonable at all for people to complain that it took nearly 3 years for the PS3 to reach the maximum acceptable launch price for home consoles. I'm not in the market for one so it doesnt personally matter to me what the price is, I'm just an observer here.

:applause::applause:BRAVO!!

Doubling the launch price of a console from one gen to the next FTL!! I still get a kick out of the fact that Nintendo is kickin' ass and they only did a 'minor upgrade' from the GC to the Wii. The $300 pricetag was hard enough to stomach, asking for twice that has been virtual suicide for Sony. They went from first to third. Hopefully they've learned their lesson.

[KMunley]

Great deal, I'm still waiting until I finish some more of my xbox games I went on a huge spending spree the past few months and have like 30 games to play, because of this site haha. When I'm done with a good amount I'm definitely going to hop on this or the slim or whatever the best value is at the time. Thanks OP.

[jrsmaster411]

:applause::applause:BRAVO!!

Doubling the launch price of a console from one gen to the next FTL!! I still get a kick out of the fact that Nintendo is kickin' ass and they only did a 'minor upgrade' from the GC to the Wii. The $300 pricetag was hard enough to stomach, asking for twice that has been virtual suicide for Sony. They went from first to third. Hopefully they've learned their lesson.
You get what you pay for. The wii shouldn't even be counted with the other consoles anymore cause it's in a market of it's own. The reason it sells so well is because of all the non gamers who buy it. Your telling me next gen you would love it if ever console followed the wii formula of going casual?

[SynGamer]

I was under the impression that manufacturing costs of the PS3 had decreased substantially and a $299 price point was very reasonable.

But retailers don't pay $299 if that is the MSRP.

[Gillespee]

I'm really confused why people are so cranky about me wanting backwards compatability (I'm glaring at you Lokizz.) I have a bunch of PS2 games I want to play still, is it so terriible for me to want to be able to play them still? Software emulation would be fine. My wife has even given me permission to buy one when I find a BC for that price.

[screwkick]

I was just at Besbuy picking up Fallout 3 collector's edition for $20. I noticed there were no PS3s anywhere in the store. The slim must be on its way.

[KingBroly]

Or more 80gb units are. But with a lower price so retailers don't lose their asses on the units they have.

Also, Fallout 3 GOTY edition is still a better deal than $20 Fallout 3 CE because of the DLC.

[Rozz]

I'm really confused why people are so cranky about me wanting backwards compatability (I'm glaring at you Lokizz.) I have a bunch of PS2 games I want to play still, is it so terriible for me to want to be able to play them still? Software emulation would be fine. My wife has even given me permission to buy one when I find a BC for that price.

Tell your wife that I give you permission to buy whatever you want with the money you've earned. ;)

[Thomas96]

You get what you pay for. The wii shouldn't even be counted with the other consoles anymore cause it's in a market of it's own. The reason it sells so well is because of all the non gamers who buy it. Your telling me next gen you would love it if ever console followed the wii formula of going casual?

everytime I talk to a non gamer about the Wii, they find it fun and the price is low enough to where it isn't a issue. They find 249 reasonable, also, the Wii looks MORE reasonable when the other two options are (were) 399, and 599. Unfortunately, everone can't follow the Wii's formula.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

You get what you pay for. The wii shouldn't even be counted with the other consoles anymore cause it's in a market of it's own. The reason it sells so well is because of all the non gamers who buy it. Your telling me next gen you would love it if ever console followed the wii formula of going casual?

Actually, I would love it if they keep it CHEAP($300 MAX for a console).

As for the 'casual' and 'non gamer' being the ones buying a Wii more, who are YOU to say who is a gamer and who isn't? Are they playing a video game when they play the Wii? Yes. So that makes them a gamer.

If the 'hardcore' gamers wanted Blu-Ray and a more expensive console, then great, make one for them and give those of us frugal gamers our gaming the way we want it.

With how many confusing SKU's Sony and MS have gone through, they could've done just that by now. Make a 'core' model of the PS3 for the non HD inclined(I still game on an SDtv) and a BR model for those with the HD sets.

That alone would've probably knocked off a hundred or two from the launch price.

[fuss]

The biggest shock for me right now is finding out FYE is still in business?
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Microshock]

At 250, the Wii is one of the cheapest but worst deals on the market. Outdated GC hardware, 1 wiimote and a nunchuk for that much money? Seriously, there's no way that hardware is worth more than 20 dollars.

Also, can someone explain how they got the HTML PSN trophy cards to work here? This site only takes bb code

[jrsmaster411]

Actually, I would love it if they keep it CHEAP($300 MAX for a console).

As for the 'casual' and 'non gamer' being the ones buying a Wii more, who are YOU to say who is a gamer and who isn't? Are they playing a video game when they play the Wii? Yes. So that makes them a gamer.

If the 'hardcore' gamers wanted Blu-Ray and a more expensive console, then great, make one for them and give those of us frugal gamers our gaming the way we want it.

With how many confusing SKU's Sony and MS have gone through, they could've done just that by now. Make a 'core' model of the PS3 for the non HD inclined(I still game on an SDtv) and a BR model for those with the HD sets.

That alone would've probably knocked off a hundred or two from the launch price.
It's easy to say you wish stuff was cheap but making a good console doesn't come cheap. If Sony sold the ps3 at 250 at launch they'd be losing more money than they are today, even if they sold like the wii, and don't give me that "who's to say who's a gamer and who isn't" everyone knows the wii is mostly owned by people who don't play games on a regular basis and would rather buy wii fit and wii sports over metroid and mario. Your thinking small minded and not of the big picture. Your praising the wii for being cheap but it's actually the most overpriced console on the market. Just be careful what you ask for.

[lokizz]

I'm really confused why people are so cranky about me wanting backwards compatability (I'm glaring at you Lokizz.) I have a bunch of PS2 games I want to play still, is it so terriible for me to want to be able to play them still? Software emulation would be fine. My wife has even given me permission to buy one when I find a BC for that price.



im annoyed with all the whining. everyone has known for a while now ( a few years) that bc was going to be taken out of the ps3s and if you wanted a bc system why not just look or ask here on the site for any good deals on bc systems. they can still be found whether its full or partial bc theyre there and they can be had at very good prices but most people would rather complain about it than do research.

bc was a huge deal for me too which is why i got in on one when it was available at a discount why people want to whine about not having it now when it can be had if you just do the searching to find it is beyond me.

a number of people really seem to think theyre going to get a ps3 with all the bells and whistles for 200 bucks or less and even more seem to feel they are entitled to get it even when they dont have a ps3 at all or dont want to shell out any money for one. even at 300 bucks with what theyve taken out of current model ps3's youre getting a hell of a deal imo.

[Phunin]

I'm really confused why people are so cranky about me wanting backwards compatability (I'm glaring at you Lokizz.) I have a bunch of PS2 games I want to play still, is it so terriible for me to want to be able to play them still? Software emulation would be fine. My wife has even given me permission to buy one when I find a BC for that price.

Yeah, I'm personally looking forward to Backwards Compatibility as well. The God of War franchise, Shadow of The Colossus, Final Fantasy Games, Kingdom Hearts series... there's many I still wanna play.

[slidecage]

price is still too high for me


199 is the buy point i will buy.. or 299 if it was backward .... but without it being able to play ps2 games no reason for me to buy it..

Hell i dont even play my xbox 360 (got it for 70 off amazon thanksgiving hick up)

now if it was 2 or 3 years ago maybe (when i still played system games) but now i only mostly play handhelds

[jer7583]

I understand your point, but...seriously, a used ps2 is like $60 on eBay.

Understood, and I own a slim, but for convenience's sake and for better display on an HDTV, PS2 BC makes a lot of sense on PS3. Add on the fact that unless it's a software solution, committing to hardware without PS2 guts inside for BC means that buyers of these PS3 models will NEVER have PS2 BC, and you understand why a lot of people feel trepidation in jumping into the platform.

Blah blah sony hater, but I actually was kinda wanting one this holiday but I'm still just getting a very "meh" feeling from it. Maybe I'll get one by the end of the year. Maybe.

[snakelda]

Actually, I would love it if they keep it CHEAP($300 MAX for a console).

As for the 'casual' and 'non gamer' being the ones buying a Wii more, who are YOU to say who is a gamer and who isn't? Are they playing a video game when they play the Wii? Yes. So that makes them a gamer.

If the 'hardcore' gamers wanted Blu-Ray and a more expensive console, then great, make one for them and give those of us frugal gamers our gaming the way we want it.

With how many confusing SKU's Sony and MS have gone through, they could've done just that by now. Make a 'core' model of the PS3 for the non HD inclined(I still game on an SDtv) and a BR model for those with the HD sets.

That alone would've probably knocked off a hundred or two from the launch price.What do you mean by that?PS3 with dvd drive and one with a blu ray drive?

[Rouzhokuu]

Backwards compatibility whiners:

http://i.pbase.com/u8/mastergame/upload/37482319.ps2scph700001.jpg

It's called a PS2.

$100 new, much less than that used.

Buy one. Then, dry your tears, and stop your pathetic whining.

Or you could've bought a PS3 when they had BC, instead of sitting around in a puddle of your own salty tears crying and throwing a baby fit about the price.

[technole]

im annoyed with all the whining. everyone has known for a while now ( a few years) that bc was going to be taken out of the ps3s and if you wanted a bc system why not just look or ask here on the site for any good deals on bc systems. they can still be found whether its full or partial bc theyre there and they can be had at very good prices but most people would rather complain about it than do research.

bc was a huge deal for me too which is why i got in on one when it was available at a discount why people want to whine about not having it now when it can be had if you just do the searching to find it is beyond me.

a number of people really seem to think theyre going to get a ps3 with all the bells and whistles for 200 bucks or less and even more seem to feel they are entitled to get it even when they dont have a ps3 at all or dont want to shell out any money for one. even at 300 bucks with what theyve taken out of current model ps3's youre getting a hell of a deal imo.

I agree. People don't seem to understand the PS2 used the Emotion Engine. Whereas the PS3 uses Cell processing which are two different architectures unlike the Xbox. Its not as simple as loading software to emulate the PS2. Firmware emulation might work, but I doubt they would still get 100% compatibility just like with the software 80gig SKUs.

Backwards compadibility was part of the game in 2007 and it was dropped to save on manufacturing costs. The public voted with their wallet and wanted a $399 PS3 and here we are now at the cusp of a $299 PS3. Which is a fantastic deal nonetheless.

I wouldn't be surprised if we'll have to wait until the PS2 reaches end of life to see a firmware solution.

[jrsmaster411]

price is still too high for me


199 is the buy point i will buy.. or 299 if it was backward .... but without it being able to play ps2 games no reason for me to buy it..

Hell i dont even play my xbox 360 (got it for 70 off amazon thanksgiving hick up)

now if it was 2 or 3 years ago maybe (when i still played system games) but now i only mostly play handhelds
If this is true for you then I don't see why you would want a PS3 at any price point. Sounds to me like your in the market for a PS2

[technole]

If this is true for you then I don't see why you would want a PS3 at any price point. Sounds to me like your in the market for a PS2

Exactly. He said he would haven't been in the market for a 360 if it were not for a hiccup.

[Blackout]

Backwards compatibility whiners:

http://i.pbase.com/u8/mastergame/upload/37482319.ps2scph700001.jpg

It's called a PS2.

$100 new, much less than that used.

Buy one. Then, dry your tears, and stop your pathetic whining.

Or you could've bought a PS3 when they had BC, instead of sitting around in a puddle of your own salty tears crying and throwing a baby fit about the price.

I have an 80GB PS3. My PS2 broke. I'm not buying another one. Why should I pay that much for a feature that should be included in the system? I already spent fucking 500 bucks on the damn thing.

[mis0]

Backwards compatibility whiners:

[Picture]

It's called a PS2.

$100 new, much less than that used.

Buy one. Then, dry your tears, and stop your pathetic whining.

Or you could've bought a PS3 when they had BC, instead of sitting around in a puddle of your own salty tears crying and throwing a baby fit about the price.

This.

/end No BC QQing.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

What do you mean by that?PS3 with dvd drive and one with a blu ray drive?

That's exactly what I meant. Who asked for a Blu-Ray drive, which was new tech, which was one of the reasons why the price got so jacked up.

Oh and Rouzhokuu, the reason many of us 'whine' about the lack of BC is because Sony was initially touting it as one of the selling points of the PS3.

I know of at least ONE thing(Blu-Ray) that they could've taken out that would've reduced the console by about the same amount as removing the PS2 components.

Instead, they removed the PS2 components and some of the extraneous crap(memory card ports, 2 USB ports), rather than sacrifice the trojan horse of Blu-Ray.

I, for one, will NEVER use my PS3 as a movie player and even if I someday DID, it would be to play DVD's until BR discs drop to $5-10 each NEW, so Sony could still shove BR up their ass as far as I'm concerned.

[wwe101]

i wonder if the lbp and killzone bundles at bestbuy will be $299 also?

[technole]

i wonder if the lbp and killzone bundles at bestbuy will be $299 also?

If you can find them, they sell like hotcakes. Even the LBP/Wall-E bundle I have not seen in awhile now.

[Hestar]

Backwards compatibility whiners:

http://i.pbase.com/u8/mastergame/upload/37482319.ps2scph700001.jpg

It's called a PS2.

$100 new, much less than that used.

Buy one. Then, dry your tears, and stop your pathetic whining.

Or you could've bought a PS3 when they had BC, instead of sitting around in a puddle of your own salty tears crying and throwing a baby fit about the price.


ORrrr orrrrrrr maybe,just maybe,people didn't have that kind of money at the time to spend on the BC ps3's when they came out and by the time they did have the money it was like 700 to buy one or a 399 non bc one.

Paying 300 dollars extra for something that shouldn't of been takin out and the fact I got a ps2 no thanks not worth it.Think before you speak next time.

[Oswald9599]

I dont agree that you should buy a PS2 just for BC, but the fact is that BC is not really the big selling point for these consoles anymore imo. Look at the 360 the last BC update was NOV 2008. If I remember correctly MS was preaching BC support throughout the 360's life cycle, but that didnt happen and it's still a great system for $300. Im going back to my software point. If Sony bundles God Of war 3 with a PS3 for $349.99, or even markets PS3 with god of war separately at $300, they will see results.

[Microshock]

Blu-ray is never getting removed, all of the retail games depend on that

So no there won't be a version with just DVD, that's crazy talk

[technole]

I dont agree that you should buy a PS2 just for BC, but the fact is that BC is not really the big selling point for these consoles anymore imo. Look at the 360 the last BC update was NOV 2008. If I remember correctly MS was preaching BC support throughout the 360's life cycle, but that didnt happen and it's still a great system for $300. Im going back to my software point. If Sony bundles God Of war 3 with a PS3 for $349.99, or even markets PS3 with god of war separately at $300, they will see results.

Yep. BC is not a deal-breaker to the mass market since the PS3 library is very much up to snuff. They didn't pay for BC when it was $499. The hard cores did however as the MGS4 bundle didn't last long either. What the mass market does like is PS1 titles like Final Fantasy VII available to download.

[jrsmaster411]

That's exactly what I meant. Who asked for a Blu-Ray drive, which was new tech, which was one of the reasons why the price got so jacked up.

Oh and Rouzhokuu, the reason many of us 'whine' about the lack of BC is because Sony was initially touting it as one of the selling points of the PS3.

I know of at least ONE thing(Blu-Ray) that they could've taken out that would've reduced the console by about the same amount as removing the PS2 components.

Instead, they removed the PS2 components and some of the extraneous crap(memory card ports, 2 USB ports), rather than sacrifice the trojan horse of Blu-Ray.

I, for one, will NEVER use my PS3 as a movie player and even if I someday DID, it would be to play DVD's until BR discs drop to $5-10 each NEW, so Sony could still shove BR up their ass as far as I'm concerned.
How dare they use technology to advanced for me. Put it on floppy disks and charge me less. Your argument is completely ruined by the fact that every game is on a blu-ray disk. If all you care about in a console is the price tag then you should be buying a ps2 or wii.

[Oswald9599]

Yep. BC is not a deal-breaker to the mass market since the PS3 library is very much up to snuff. They didn't pay for BC when it was $499. The hard cores did however as the MGS4 bundle didn't last long either. What the mass market does like is PS1 titles like Final Fantasy VII available to download.


Exactly, if they were really going to support BC 100% 24/7 there would be little to no need for XBOX ORIGINALS or a PS1 section at the PSN store. The fact is that dlc is the way that these markets are looking to strive a backlist business, and it works. FF VII is clear proof of that.

[wwe101]

if this is going to drop to $300 i wonder how much the slim will debut at

[antlp89]

Backwards compatibility whiners:

http://i.pbase.com/u8/mastergame/upload/37482319.ps2scph700001.jpg

It's called a PS2.

$100 new, much less than that used.

Buy one. Then, dry your tears, and stop your pathetic whining.

Or you could've bought a PS3 when they had BC, instead of sitting around in a puddle of your own salty tears crying and throwing a baby fit about the price.

Funny thing is, the PS2 has a whole lot more (good and perhaps better) games than the PS3.

Why not expand the PS3's limited library and welcome the MASSIVE user base (PS2) that supported your company last generation?

But no, go ahead and continue to have the PS2 outsell it's big brother.

And you wonder why PS3 is in last place this generation?

-Price of Console
-Game Library
-Game Prices

[Phunin]

Backwards compatibility whiners:

http://i.pbase.com/u8/mastergame/upload/37482319.ps2scph700001.jpg

It's called a PS2.

$100 new, much less than that used.

Buy one. Then, dry your tears, and stop your pathetic whining.

Or you could've bought a PS3 when they had BC, instead of sitting around in a puddle of your own salty tears crying and throwing a baby fit about the price.

Why buy the PS2 and have two consoles taking space, when one console could do the job of both.

[Blackout]

How dare they use technology to advanced for me. Put it on floppy disks and charge me less. Your argument is completely ruined by the fact that every game is on a blu-ray disk.

Which don't play or look any differently than the ones on 360. When are we going to see the Blu-Ray difference? Probably never.

[SynGamer]

That's exactly what I meant. Who asked for a Blu-Ray drive, which was new tech, which was one of the reasons why the price got so jacked up.

Oh and Rouzhokuu, the reason many of us 'whine' about the lack of BC is because Sony was initially touting it as one of the selling points of the PS3.

I know of at least ONE thing(Blu-Ray) that they could've taken out that would've reduced the console by about the same amount as removing the PS2 components.

Instead, they removed the PS2 components and some of the extraneous crap(memory card ports, 2 USB ports), rather than sacrifice the trojan horse of Blu-Ray.

I, for one, will NEVER use my PS3 as a movie player and even if I someday DID, it would be to play DVD's until BR discs drop to $5-10 each NEW, so Sony could still shove BR up their ass as far as I'm concerned.

I agree with the BC only because it WAS something they were touting at the launch of the PS3. With the current patents for emulating PS2 games via the Cell and RSX, I have no doubt that PS2 BC will be coming back in some form...however;

Are you fucking retarded? Sony is a BUSINESS. They are in this for the long-run to make money. Winning the HD format war with Blu-ray brings them royalties, and that will only increase with time. Blu-ray also allows developers to never have to worry about storage space this generation as well as including some nice extras. Look at the Stranglehold CE, it included Hard Boiled (the movie) on the game disc (Blu-ray). That's fucking awesome if you ask me (and others I'm sure). But how can you honestly expect Sony to remove Blu-ray when PS3 games REQUIRE it to be played...didn't really think that one through did you, now?

Just because you don't want or like Blu-ray doesn't mean others don't. After watching a movie on Blu-ray on a nice 52" HDTV (1080p), there's no going back after that. But you seem like the type of person that doesn't understand business sense what-so-ever so I doubt any of us telling you that you are wrong will change your mind. I'm sure Sony can go without your support. Hell, I don't even have a PS3 yet and I've already bought four games for it.

[SynGamer]

Funny thing is, the PS2 has a whole lot more (good and perhaps better) games than the PS3.

Why not expand the PS3's limited library and welcome the MASSIVE user base (PS2) that supported your company last generation?

But no, go ahead and continue to have the PS2 outsell it's big brother.

And you wonder why PS3 is in last place this generation?

-Price of Console
-Game Library
-Game Prices

The problem is that most people will buy those PS2 games at GameStop, used, meaning Sony gets no money. So what is in it for them? Selling PS2 games on PSN is the way to go for Sony to make money right now.

[jrsmaster411]

Which don't play or look any differently than the ones on 360. When are we going to see the Blu-Ray difference? Probably never.
MGS4 says hello, as time goes on you'll see more devs use the whole 50 gigs on PS3 exclusives. Killzone 2, Heavy Rain, even small games like jrpgs can include both japanese and english audio because they have the space.

[Microshock]

RAGE is going to be on one disc , compared to the 360's 2.
Final Fantasy 13 will be on multiple discs on 360

Exactly.

[Pyramid Head]

Fellow Cags,

As of 8/14/09, I found these systems marked down @ Fry's Electronics in Las Vegas.

If only backwards compatibility was fully integrated... Holding out until God of War 3, though, it's difficult with such temptations.

I just called the Fry's in LV and they said it was still $399, though? Huh.

[lokizz]

ORrrr orrrrrrr maybe,just maybe,people didn't have that kind of money at the time to spend on the BC ps3's when they came out and by the time they did have the money it was like 700 to buy one or a 399 non bc one.

Paying 300 dollars extra for something that shouldn't of been takin out and the fact I got a ps2 no thanks not worth it.Think before you speak next time.


if you dont have the money for it and want it then you have some options. you can do like i did an save for it till i could buy it or you work extra somewhere and then when you have the money buy it. i agree 600 pluss was too much for a ps3 imo so i waited till the mgs4 bundle came out at 499 ( came with 2 games and a ds3 controller) and ive been happy since.

again its that weird sense of entitlement that sony has to put in ps2 bc in their systems. they did it and people didnt want to pay what they were asking for it so to make systems cheaper they got rid of that and the card readers and some usb slots and still people are complaining.

considering the ps3 has bc with both of its previous incarnations youre getting alot for your money if you had went and gotten one of the 3 or 4 diff bc versions of the ps3. i dont know how much bc you get with the 360 or wii but in the end if bc is that damn important go find a system that has it.

the systems now 300 and people are still whining about what it doesnt have and you can easily go get a system with everything in it but you dont want to pay the premium for it. with some folks you cant win for losing and nothing sony does will be enough.

[tenma]

RAGE is going to be on one disc , compared to the 360's 2.
Final Fantasy 13 will be on multiple discs on 360

Exactly.

This is a valid argument to those who groan at the idea of having to get up from their couch and switch discs once every, what, 7 hours?

Blu-Ray is a better storage format - no one disagrees with that. We just have yet to see a major difference between it and DVDs when it comes to videogame realism in my opinion.

[mykevermin]

The price says 2009, but the discussion says 2006.

[antlp89]

The problem is that most people will buy those PS2 games at GameStop, used, meaning Sony gets no money. So what is in it for them? Selling PS2 games on PSN is the way to go for Sony to make money right now.

They get a larger user base. A much larger user base. A perfect ad for the PS3 would be: "It is the most epic console in the history of gaming. It can play thousands of games, three generations of titles. From cheap game to HD games, the PS3 does it all". This would grow into the next generation audience, the PS3 user base that would then slowly buy Blu-rays, PS3 games, PSN titles, etc. I mean think of all the PS2 sales that could be going towards PS3 sales.

More users = more sales = more developer support.

But now that I think about it, maybe this was Sony's plan all along. Maybe they kept backwards compatibility out so that the PS2 could continue to be sold and thus compete with the Wii price point until the manufacturing costs were low enough to lower the price on the PS3. Ala the 10 year plan for the PS2.

If that's the case and the new PS3 does include BC, I think this is the true transition from PS2 and full support for the PS3. I would love to see more developer love for the PS3 and this move would certainly help bring in those customers to buy games.

[BlueLobstah]

Doesn't the PS3 also do up-scaling with BC games?

There seems to be plenty of valid reasons on wanting a PS3 to have BC, so saying, "lol buy a PS2" just doesn't cut it. I know space is a issue on my entertainment system, and I'd much rather have one machine that can do the job of 3 (PS3/PS2/Bluray) and save a lot of space for say, one of the other three systems. The original $500+ cost was just out of line of a typical console price, so even when the early systems had BC it was just way out of the budget for many people.

I really feel Sony could benefit from a $299 slim, but I'm trying to keep my expectations somewhat low, as Sony tends to make some really strange decisions from time to time.

[SynGamer]

So if the PS3 has NO BC

how will they sell PS2 games via PSN????


simple eventually there will be a Firmware Update to give Everyone full BC if not 95% BC or Better like the MGS4 Bundle 80GB system.

the only difference between an

80GB MGS4 system with 95% BC vs. current
80GB Models is a simple software key Sony with holds on purpose, no special chip or anything.
If you read my post you would have seen that I mentioned Sony has a patent on emulating the PS2 via the CELL and RSX (PS3's cpu and gpu). Either they sell PS2 BC as a one-time payment or they include it with each PS2 game sold on PSN...or some other method.

[SynGamer]

Serious questions need serious answers.

#1. Now that the Price drop is 100% confirmed, all that matters is when it takes effect. ?

#2. Can I do this ? Go to Best Buy purchase a PS3 $399.99 + Tax. Currently if you spend over $250 on anything you get a $25 Gift card til 8-22-09. Hopefully the price drop officially takes effect before 9-22-09. Now can I go back to Best Buy and say Ok give me the Price difference.

#3. Can Best Buy deny me because I got a $25 gift card.?

1. a price drop hasn't been confirmed, what HAS been confirmed is that retailers are dropping the price on current stock, aka, a SALE.

2. You should technically be able to do so if it is within Best Buy's specified time...

3. Depends on the store and the store manager.

[Oswald9599]

1. a price drop hasn't been confirmed, what HAS been confirmed is that retailers are dropping the price on current stock, aka, a SALE.

2. You should technically be able to do so if it is within Best Buy's specified time...

3. Depends on the store and the store manager.

I would just return it and then rebuy, rather than exchange or PM. It might be safer.

[mykevermin]

I can somehow foresee the Slim launching at $399 - seeing as how the system with "Uncharted," now a $30 GH, is $400.

Let's not get too excited yet. Sony knows they need to drop the price on the console - or at least we think they should fuckin' know.

But then things happen - like a $250 PSP Go - that convince us that Sony doesn't really know how to handle people's spending habits in a shitty economy.

My money is on a $400 Slim at launch - one model only.

[SynGamer]

I would just return it and then rebuy, rather than exchange or PM. It might be safer.

I think the problem is the person wants to keep the $25 gift card, and having to go through all the settings and setup would suck as well. I know when I bought my 360 Walmart said they adjust for price drops within 7 days (I think)...

[Oswald9599]

I think the problem is the person wants to keep the $25 gift card, and having to go through all the settings and setup would suck as well. I know when I bought my 360 Walmart said they adjust for price drops within 7 days (I think)...


Do they usually take away the gift cards they give if you purchase a high ticket item and then return it for some reason? I guess they would deactivate the card. Hmm. Yeah I guess then the only route would be to hopefully get a pm, though Hardware PM's would be a bit more difficult than a $40 or $50 game.

[Ecofreak]

Seriously, for everyone saying "I won't buy a PS3 unless it can play PS2 games" makes it seem like people are more interested in playing PS2 games than PS3 games. Because apparently, the last gen line-up is better than any 1st Party Exclusive Sony already has or is coming down the pipe line. I can understand why people would want to save space but such fierce resistance to a non-BC PS3 absolutely boggles my mind.

I expect that Sony will either do one of two things, and will be the only way BC is included in a PS3.

1) The PSN store begins selling PS2 titles so Sony actually makes money off of such sales. Everyone should understand that Sony doesn't see a single red cent when a used game is sold, so there is little financial reason for them to include it as money that could be used for buying new PS3 games is being diverted to PS2 titles.
2) Sony offers software emulation for $100 on PSN so they at least make some money. Makes sense because doing so removes the PS2 from shelf space and is pure profit for Sony, as opposed to giving a share to stores while also paying for manufacturing, shipping, etc.

I really don't mean to sound like a snob but I would seriously hope the PS3's exclusive line-up would be enough for people to buy the system. Perhaps the drive isn't as large if you already have a 360 but I believe the next year of games will be more than enough to keep people satisfied and justify the investment.

The PS3 was never meant to be an impulse buy. It was supposed to be the heart of a home's entertainment system. Sony may have overdone it by initially pricing it out of the reach for most consumers but this isn't a "flash in the pan" (like, IMHO, the Wii). And with the PS2 still being supported after all this time, I honestly believe Sony will stick with the 10 year strategy.

[Oswald9599]

.....
The PS3 was never meant to be an impulse buy. It was supposed to be the heart of a home's entertainment system.


Would bring a tear to any Ken Kutaragi's eye.:applause:

You are right though.

[Ecofreak]

Would bring a tear to any Ken Kutaragi's eye.:applause:

You are right though.

I'd prefer an autographed copy of Ridge Racer or an 8x10 gloss of him fighting a Giant Crab, but I'd still count a tear as a victory. ;)

[technole]

Which don't play or look any differently than the ones on 360. When are we going to see the Blu-Ray difference? Probably never.

You don't know how wrong you are. The space has proven its worth.

MGS4 had to be compressed to fit on the BD. Killzone 2 levels are about 5-6GB in space because of the texture quality. Naughty Dog admitted they may have to cut out the extras/bloopers in Uncharted 2 because they have hit the limit.

[tenma]

Seriously, for everyone saying "I won't buy a PS3 unless it can play PS2 games" makes it seem like people are more interested in playing PS2 games than PS3 games. Because apparently, the last gen line-up is better than any 1st Party Exclusive Sony already has or is coming down the pipe line. I can understand why people would want to save space but such fierce resistance to a non-BC PS3 absolutely boggles my mind.


I wholeheartedly agree. A PS2 slim is as thin as a medium-sized magazine and takes up less space. I can understand choosing to go with a BC compatible PS3 over a non-BC one, but if you're willing to not buy an otherwise feature-rich console simply because of a lack of BC then I find that pretty confusing. You're able to afford it, find its games appealing, but choosing to not play a myriad of PS3 games simply because you don't want to have another console that's as thin as an issue of Game Informer?

*shrug*

[Pyramid Head]

I wholeheartedly agree. A PS2 slim is as thin as a medium-sized magazine and takes up less space. I can understand choosing to go with a BC compatible PS3 over a non-BC one, but if you're willing to not buy an otherwise feature-rich console simply because of a lack of BC then I find that pretty confusing. You're able to afford it, find its games appealing, but choosing to not play a myriad of PS3 games simply because you don't want to have another console that's as thin as an issue of Game Informer?

*shrug*

Well, I'll likely be pulling the trigger come this price cut, BC or no, but the reason why BC was a big deal for me had nothing to do with space issues and everything to do with my HDTV and the PS3's ability to upscale PS2 games. My HDTV does not like my PS2 very much unless the game has a progressive scan option (which maybe 5% of them do.)

[technole]

To the person complaining about the PSP go price. The PSP-1000 debuted at $250, so the go makes sense at that price. Plus the PSP-3000 will be right beside it at retail. Just like the DS and DSi.

[Gillespee]

Tell your wife that I give you permission to buy whatever you want with the money you've earned. ;)

That doesn't work as well when she makes double what I do. Oh well. Thanks for permission though!

[Blackout]

You don't know how wrong you are. The space has proven its worth.

MGS4 had to be compressed to fit on the BD. Killzone 2 levels are about 5-6GB in space because of the texture quality. Naughty Dog admitted they may have to cut out the extras/bloopers in Uncharted 2 because they have hit the limit.

I'm still not seeing the Blu-Ray difference. It hasn't proven anything. Does that mean MGS on the 360 is going to be 8 discs like that photoshopped picture that's on the net? EVERY PS3 game should be bigger and better than the 360 version. But they're not.

Cutting out extas=DLC.

Like myke said, Sony are pretty much clueless, so I wouldn't doubt if the Slim is jacked up.

[wwe101]

To the person complaining about the PSP go price. The PSP-1000 debuted at $250, so the go makes sense at that price. Plus the PSP-3000 will be right beside it at retail. Just like the DS and DSi.

by this logic the ps3 slim should debut at $599

[Microshock]

Right, so you'd rather ...get up every 7 hours to put in a disc, or just keep the same disc in.

Nice arguments from the xbox fans here! I for one know Cheapy would HATE that, he doesnt even like getting up to put another game in, thats why he loves the idea of downloadable games

Blu-ray has proven its worth already, for exclusive games, they get to use more of the space, for multi-platform games, its one disc.

What's not the benefit there? The other benefit is that it's also not just for games, you're forgetting the whole movie thing?!

[Mufasa]

so when are these sales going to happen?

because they should drive down the price of used ones that I could pick up on craigslist or ebay, which is what I have been looking at. I could prolly pick of a decent used bundle for about $220-250.

[Oswald9599]

so when are these sales going to happen?

because they should drive down the price of used ones that I could pick up on craigslist or ebay, which is what I have been looking at. I could prolly pick of a decent used bundle for about $220-250.


No confirmed date yet. This is also a ghost story to most places. I'll give proper info and update the minute I get word.

[Crnulus]

so when are these sales going to happen?

because they should drive down the price of used ones that I could pick up on craigslist or ebay, which is what I have been looking at. I could prolly pick of a decent used bundle for about $220-250.

Retailers aren't allowed to execute the new prices until Sony officially announces it in Gamescom. I believe the retailers in europe are starting the new prices from 18th of august.

No release date for NA yet, I'd have to assume that sony will tell us in gamescom (which is 3 days from now)

[Mufasa]

No confirmed date yet. This is also a ghost story to most places. I'll give proper info and update the minute I get word.

Thanks, I appreciate it. Also what do you guys think about buying a used PS3? How reliable are they, I know they are better than the 360 but would I be illadvised to pull the trigger on a used one. I really just hate paying extra for controllers and an hdmi cable, which usually used ones come with

[Blackout]

Right, so you'd rather ...get up every 7 hours to put in a disc, or just keep the same disc in.

Nice arguments from the xbox fans here! I for one know Cheapy would HATE that, he doesnt even like getting up to put another game in, thats why he loves the idea of downloadable games

Blu-ray has proven its worth already, for exclusive games, they get to use more of the space, for multi-platform games, its one disc.

What's not the benefit there? The other benefit is that it's also not just for games, you're forgetting the whole movie thing?!


I have a hard time believing that the current PS3 exclusives couldn't be done on 360, and vice versa. Maybe one day we'll start seeing games where you seriously notice a difference between the two consoles, but I doubt it. PS3 games will probably never reach their full potential.

The games that have mostly relied heavily on multiple discs is RPGs. You're not going to play GTA 5, Gears of War 3, or those types of games and have to put in 5 different discs to finish the game.

I don't care about movies. I bought the PS3 to play games. That's it's main purpose. Being able to watch Blus is a nice feature, but the prices of the movies are just too high for me.

[Paco]

I'd say that the load on the blu ray drive is also far less stressful then the load on the dvd drive. The DVD Drive on the 360 only reads at maximum speed on the outer area of the disc or the last two or so gigs. The inside and the middle of the disc itself do not read as fast as the outer areas, while the blu ray drive reads every area of the disc equally as fast. That can be considered an advantage of the blu ray tech, especially as it matures and you just can't fit the most important information in that two or so gigs. It doesn't help that the copy protection also takes a sizable chunk on the 360 discs either.

[Crnulus]

Thanks, I appreciate it. Also what do you guys think about buying a used PS3? How reliable are they, I know they are better than the 360 but would I be illadvised to pull the trigger on a used one. I really just hate paying extra for controllers and an hdmi cable, which usually used ones come with


I'd gun for a new PS3 (which would come with 1 yr warranty). So unless you're deadset about wanting BC, just get one when the price drops.

[Mufasa]

I'd gun for a new PS3 (which would come with 1 yr warranty). So unless you're deadset about wanting BC, just get one when the price drops.

yeah, i dont need BC i still have my fat PS2 and it is still running strong, it just has to be on it's side :lol:

[SynGamer]

I have a hard time believing that the current PS3 exclusives couldn't be done on 360, and vice versa. Maybe one day we'll start seeing games where you seriously notice a difference between the two consoles, but I doubt it. PS3 games will probably never reach their full potential.

The games that have mostly relied heavily on multiple discs is RPGs. You're not going to play GTA 5, Gears of War 3, or those types of games and have to put in 5 different discs to finish the game.

I don't care about movies. I bought the PS3 to play games. That's it's main purpose. Being able to watch Blus is a nice feature, but the prices of the movies are just too high for me.

$10-15 is too high? I was at Walmart earlier tonight and V for Vendetta on Blu-ray was $10.96...and there were quite a few more for $10-15 there.

[tenma]

Right, so you'd rather ...get up every 7 hours to put in a disc, or just keep the same disc in.

Nice arguments from the xbox fans here! I for one know Cheapy would HATE that, he doesnt even like getting up to put another game in, thats why he loves the idea of downloadable games

Blu-ray has proven its worth already, for exclusive games, they get to use more of the space, for multi-platform games, its one disc.

What's not the benefit there? The other benefit is that it's also not just for games, you're forgetting the whole movie thing?!

You're the only arguing that anyone would "rather" get up every 7 hours to put in a new disc. My argument was that if your only retort to those saying that the quality of games across both storage formats is negligible is "But you don't have to switch discs!" then it's really not much of an argument. Unless you're a 550lb man who finds standing up to be hugely discouraging having to change discs once every 7 hours is simply just not that big of a deal. The ability to include more information on one disc is great, but compared to some of the hyperbole being spouted by those all about Blu-Ray there just isn't a whole lot yet to justify such accolade.

Again - I repeat - no one is debating that blu-ray isn't a better storage format. Cost being equal, no one would choose to use DVD instead of blu-ray. The question some of us are arguing is whether blu-ray has yet to prove that its miles ahead of DVD as far as a gaming format.

Bring in the movie argument if you want, but keep in mind you're posting at Cheap Ass Gamer, not Cheap Ass Cinephile.

[Blackout]

$10-15 is too high? I was at Walmart earlier tonight and V for Vendetta on Blu-ray was $10.96...and there were quite a few more for $10-15 there.

I dunno about Walmart because the ones around me never have sweet deals like that. All they have is those straight to DVD movies in the $5 bin. The only really cheap Blus I've seen is old shit like Rambo at Target and a few horror movies at Hollywood video. A lot of the stuff is just not in that 10 dollar price range. I wish they were. Even new release DVDs are sometimes too high in my book.

Thanks for the heads up though on that price, I might see if I can get lucky at Walmart and find a copy. :D

[SynGamer]

I dunno about Walmart because the ones around me never have sweet deals like that. All they have is those straight to DVD movies in the $5 bin. The only really cheap Blus I've seen is old shit like Rambo at Target and a few horror movies at Hollywood video. A lot of the stuff is just not in that 10 dollar price range. I wish they were. Even new release DVDs are sometimes too high in my book.

Thanks for the heads up though on that price, I might see if I can get lucky at Walmart and find a copy. :D

That price for V for Vendetta is the same as what is on their website.

As for Blu-ray as a gaming format, look at MGS4, Killzone 2, basically all of the exclusives on PS3. There's little to no compression meaning we lose nothing in terms of quality and the PS3 supports 7.1 audio which I know many PS3 games take advantage of (DIRT comes to mind off the top of my head). As others have said, I think the advantages will start to be seen clearly as this generation goes on.

[tenma]

That price for V for Vendetta is the same as what is on their website.

As others have said, I think the advantages will start to be seen clearly as this generation goes on.

I agree with this argument. Blu-Ray undoubtedly has strengths, but I question whether we've seen most of what it has to offer in terms of game performance. I haven't played KZ2, but I have played MGS4. It's a beautiful game but graphically (and don't misconstrue this as bias - I used to own a PS3) I still don't think it was leaps ahead of some of the better looking 360 titles. KZ2 looks pretty amazing from what I've seen though.

[Blackout]

Again - I repeat - no one is debating that blu-ray isn't a better storage format. Cost being equal, no one would choose to use DVD instead of blu-ray. The question some of us are arguing is whether blu-ray has yet to prove that its miles ahead of DVD as far as a gaming format.



This is what I was getting at. All that space is great, but we haven't seen big differences yet.



As for Blu-ray as a gaming format, look at MGS4, Killzone 2, basically all of the exclusives on PS3. There's little to no compression meaning we lose nothing in terms of quality and the PS3 supports 7.1 audio which I know many PS3 games take advantage of (DIRT comes to mind off the top of my head). As others have said, I think the advantages will start to be seen clearly as this generation goes on.

I hope you're right. Killzone 2 did look pretty damn good.

[SynGamer]

From what I've seen, Uncharted 2 is the new benchmark for graphics...we'll have to wait and see but everyone has been reporting it is damn good looking and nothing comes close to touching it.

[jrsmaster411]

I'm still not seeing the Blu-Ray difference. It hasn't proven anything. Does that mean MGS on the 360 is going to be 8 discs like that photoshopped picture that's on the net? EVERY PS3 game should be bigger and better than the 360 version. But they're not.

Cutting out extas=DLC.

Like myke said, Sony are pretty much clueless, so I wouldn't doubt if the Slim is jacked up.
MGS Rising will be made to be the same on both consoles but MGS4 was made with 50gigs in mind and that's why you'll never see it on 360. Having a game not be possible on another console isn't proving it's worth? If you want the PS3 version of every game to be superior than keep waiting cause no team is gonna put more money into a PS3 version and make their 360 version look worse, that's just bad business. You have to look at exclusives. KZ2, MGS4, Uncharted 2, and Heavy Rain graphically look better than anything on the 360.

[tenma]

From what I've seen, Uncharted 2 is the new benchmark for graphics...we'll have to wait and see but everyone has been reporting it is damn good looking and nothing comes close to touching it.

Not surprising. I still think Uncharted 1 is in the top 3 as far as best looking games this gen.

[Tyga24]

I think a good comparison of the systems will occur with Final Fantasy XIII since the lead development platform is the PS3 then porting over to the 360. Most other multiplatform games work in the opposite manner with the 360 being developed for first and then porting to PS3.

We will all know shortly what Sony's plans (if any) are for the console in a few days, and hopefully its accessible to more consumers at whatever price point is chosen.

[lokizz]

Not surprising. I still think Uncharted 1 is in the top 3 as far as best looking games this gen.


uncharted was one of he only games that ever felt next gen to me. most other games felt like more of the same. cant wait for uncharted 2 gonna kick all kinds of ass on mp.

[Microshock]

I'd rather have a huge update to the PSN, i'm so excited to see if they do. I just want stuff like Home/Life with Playstation, trophies and playstation.com to be integrated better

[KingDox]

I wholeheartedly agree. A PS2 slim is as thin as a medium-sized magazine and takes up less space. I can understand choosing to go with a BC compatible PS3 over a non-BC one, but if you're willing to not buy an otherwise feature-rich console simply because of a lack of BC then I find that pretty confusing. You're able to afford it, find its games appealing, but choosing to not play a myriad of PS3 games simply because you don't want to have another console that's as thin as an issue of Game Informer?

*shrug*

Let me just say the reason lack of BC is deal breaker because I never owned a PS2. There are still shumps and random games that I would like to try out.

Sure I can get a PS2 for about 100 bucks. But why would I want to spend 100 bucks on a PS2 to get functionality I expect and know a PS3 is capable of? Spending the 90 bucks on the wifi adaptor for the 360 is always a argument against the the system. Why shouldn't lack of BC used against the PS3? In both cases it would take about 90 bucks to fix an issue the system lacks.

Even if they gave you a free PS2 with a PS3, I still wouldn't be happy. You know why? Because it's an extra console in my entertainment system (this is a bad thing). An extra system I have to hook up to my TV. It has wired controllers, and I would need to deal with Memory cards.

I just want to give some of my reasons why I want BC. Since everyone is asking Why...Why...why.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

LOL @ all the angry responses to my post(s).

You'd think I came over to each poster's house and slapped/killed/otherwise harmed their (insert significant family member) the way they get up in arms over someone critiquing the almighty Sony.

It's ONLY a game system, Sony will NOT pay you for defending their honor online against all the 'evil 360 fanboys'(who probably all own PS3s, as well as 360s and maybe even Wii systems too).

I gotta admit that I came REALLY close to giving up on gaming after seeing the doubling of console prices at the start of this gen and I'm sure more than a few here would gladly have welcomed my departure from gaming, huh?

As for Sony wanting to make money on games via PSN that they could just provide a BC patch to allow me to play on the system I ALREADY paid them $400 for I have one simple answer: Fuck you, Sony.

I'm not paying twice for shit I already own and making THEM more money in the process.

I am a true cheapassgamer. I have paid MSRP for only 1-2 games thus far this gen(Little Big Planet, GTAIV). Otherwise, I wait till the games I want hit clearance or I have uber cheap credit from flipping and I buy them USED and with a % off coupon too if I'm not buying them on clearance.

[indieinsd]

True cheapassgamers don't pay MSRP for a console either.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

I didn't. I paid in cheap credit, combined with some cash @ FYE.

[jer7583]

The reason PS2 BC is so important to people is who wants to commit to a PS3 hardware model without it, since we've seen that Sony can do it, and just removed it to mitigate some losses on selling that hardware. I highly doubt that they'll ever be able to get a 100% (or even 75%) software emulator for PS2 games on PS3 - The current state of PS2 emulation on PC still is rough and demands higher spec hardware than the PS3 has to get games running smoothly, due to the complexity of the PS2's guts.

Buying a non-BC PS3 now means a really good chance that you'll have a non-BC PS3 forever. Not impossible, but I highly doubt it, and I highly doubt that if they do software BC they'll even let you use your own discs, instead selling them back to you over PSN.

The more I think about it the more convoluted it gets and I start to care less and less about the PS3 being under my TV. $300 is a good price, but I don't give a shit about the blu-ray, and I'd be getting it for exclusives only, which equates to about 10 Blu Ray games and probably 20 games total if you include PSN. Not really worth my $300.

Plus that controller sucks. Fuck that circa 1996 shit.

[jer7583]

Yeah, Sony's really going to start up an expensive mail-in system for your discs instead of just selling them back to you at $10-15 each, right?

Instead of just uploading disc images to PSN and using an emulator, they're going to build and staff a facility designed to receive (and then do what, exactly, with?) PS2 discs and UMDs and start giving the games away free to everyone! YAY!

[Mufasa]

What I like about the PS3 is that everything is included.

The controllers are rechargeable without buying extra stuff
It is wireless without buying extra stuff
Online play is free

Those are all extra expenses on the 360. I'm not a 360 hater or anything, I would rather just buy everything in one. Also I need Metal Gear Solid, it is pretty much the reason I play vids. And I am not waiting for the 360 MGS, I just finished Snake Eater and now I need to pull the trigger on this new price (if it happens) and play it while it is fresh in my memory.

[Phunin]

Yeah, the free online is what really attracts me to the PS3. Though I hear from a lot of people that PSN sucks, I doubt it's that bad.

[technole]

I have a hard time believing that the current PS3 exclusives couldn't be done on 360, and vice versa. Maybe one day we'll start seeing games where you seriously notice a difference between the two consoles, but I doubt it. PS3 games will probably never reach their full potential.

The games that have mostly relied heavily on multiple discs is RPGs. You're not going to play GTA 5, Gears of War 3, or those types of games and have to put in 5 different discs to finish the game.

I don't care about movies. I bought the PS3 to play games. That's it's main purpose. Being able to watch Blus is a nice feature, but the prices of the movies are just too high for me.

Wrong again.

Tell that to Naughty Dog about you thinking they are not using the PS3 to its full potential. Aside from using the entire blu-ray disc for Uncharted 2 they are using all the SPEs on the Cell this time. I won't even talk about God of War 3 which is going to run naturally at 1080p.

[Cage017]

"Blu-Ray player" "Free PSN online service" "New low price" The reasons to buy the PS3 keep increasing.

So we know there are people who are holding out on PS3 due to the BC feature. How many people are passing on the system due to lack of room space? I'm curious to know what's taking up space - be it older consoles, entertainment systems, computers, furniture, etc..

[mykevermin]

Eh, we know that jer is simply an anti-PS3 reactionary.

I don't get it myself, but evidently he parties like it's 2006 and that it's both hip and noble to bash everything about the PS3.

The PS3 could come with a 3TB hard drive, do your dishes, make your bed, wipe your ass, and retail for $200. He would undoubtedly piss and moan that PS2 BC wasn't in there. Pay him no mind.

[jh6269]

Anyone know if the RAM is upgradable in the PS3? I think the biggest problem with the PS3 not having full 1080P native resolution for Blu-ray games is the 512 MB RAM. I'm afraid that the slim (if it exists) will have a RAM upgrade, and that will screw all of us who just bought our systems.

I'm not complaining or anything, Uncharted 1 & 2, Killzone 2, tons of others look spectacular, but I'm wondering if they've already maxed out the hardware only 3-4 years in.

[Ecofreak]

The reason PS2 BC is so important to people is who wants to commit to a PS3 hardware model without it, since we've seen that Sony can do it, and just removed it to mitigate some losses on selling that hardware. I highly doubt that they'll ever be able to get a 100% (or even 75%) software emulator for PS2 games on PS3 - The current state of PS2 emulation on PC still is rough and demands higher spec hardware than the PS3 has to get games running smoothly, due to the complexity of the PS2's guts.

The more I think about it the more convoluted it gets and I start to care less and less about the PS3 being under my TV. $300 is a good price, but I don't give a shit about the blu-ray, and I'd be getting it for exclusives only, which equates to about 10 Blu Ray games and probably 20 games total if you include PSN. Not really worth my $300.

Plus that controller sucks. Fuck that circa 1996 shit.

Again, the majority of people who will buy PS2 games will do so through Gamestop and they'll almost absolutely be used. So what financial incentive does Sony have to include BC in the box? It's better business sense that they either charge ~$100 for a download software based solution or release games on the PSN.

You are a CheapAssGamer -- and that's totally awesome (I try to be, but my success at being patience has lapsed after I got a job). So I am highly certain that Sony and Microsoft does not make as much money off of you as a more typical non-CheapAssGamer. So they are not, nor will they ever, cater to people like you with such buying habits. Business is business and they're trying to maximize profits to the determent of consumers like us.

And if you dislike the PS3, as noted by your...
Plus that controller sucks. Fuck that circa 1996 shit.

then why don't you just sell it and be done with the whole thing?

Anyone know if the RAM is upgradable in the PS3? I think the biggest problem with the PS3 not having full 1080P native resolution for Blu-ray games is the 512 MB RAM. I'm afraid that the slim (if it exists) will have a RAM upgrade, and that will screw all of us who just bought our systems.

I'm not complaining or anything, Uncharted 1 & 2, Killzone 2, tons of others look spectacular, but I'm wondering if they've already maxed out the hardware only 3-4 years in.

Uncharted 2 is Naughty Dog's 2nd PS3 title, and Killzone 2 is Gurilla Game's first PS3 title. 1st and 2nd Party developers are just now starting to understand the architecture (took them long enough) so there's absolutely more room for growth. Keep in mind the the Cell architecture is completely different than the Emotion Engine in the PS2 so everyone (including Sony) was starting from scratch, where-as the 360 architecture shared a lot of similarities to PC and the original Xbox (hence why their games looked good from the get-go).

Expect the learning curve to be substantially lower next gen (if there is one) should Sony decide to expand on the Cell architecture (most likely situation).

[Dasflikko]

Yeah, the free online is what really attracts me to the PS3. Though I hear from a lot of people that PSN sucks, I doubt it's that bad.

For a free service I think it has improved tremendously over the last year. One thing people don't really mention is how solid the voip is over the PSN.

Just to compare, XBL is a great service and has a lot of robust features, but the voip is a complete train wreck.

It got so bad a few weeks ago that when a few friends and I were playing Left 4 Dead on the 360, we all sounded like we were underwater and could barely hear each other. So we came up with the solution to just use our PS3s for voip and it worked like a charm. Not trying to bash the 360, I actually like mine a lot, I just never see people talk about how weak the voip on XBL is, so I was surprised when I ran into problems.

Anyways don't let naysayers regarding PSN's viability stop you from getting a PS3. It is constantly improving and it is not nearly as bad as some people might say it is.