Official. No Backwards compatibility PS3 software update. =(

[LordKefka06]

http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/698554/Sonys-John-Koller-Says-PS2-Compatibility-Is-Not-Coming-Back.html

It's official. /cry

[VipFREAK]

Wah, wah...

[SynGamer]

Considering the patents Sony has on emulating the PS2 on the PS3, I'm pretty sure we're going to see PS2 games pop up on PSN soon enough. Thing is...will Sony price PS2 games reasonably?

[yesiamaplant]

I will add to the wah-wahing, troll. Yes there are alternatives, but it's like saving up all your money for a particular car, and then when you finally have enough you find out they removed windshield wiper compatibility to cut costs. Can you drive? Sure you can! Just not in the rain! Well funk dat.

[freakyzeeky]

PS3 slim + PS2 slim + duct tape = A PS3 with BC :lol:

:-#

[rickshankshaw]

I expect PS2 games to cost anywhere from 20$ to 40$.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

Considering the patents Sony has on emulating the PS2 on the PS3, I'm pretty sure we're going to see PS2 games pop up on PSN soon enough. Thing is...will Sony price PS2 games reasonably?

I predict more overpricing on PSN, like they want $15 for some downloadable titles right now on there, it's ridiculous.

I guess I must be too 'old school' to wanna pay more than $5($10 MAX) for any game I don't have some legal right to resell should I get tired of it.

If gaming ever comes to the point where games are ONLY available via digital download, that is the moment I quit gaming and stick to the systems that don't require it.

[LordKefka06]

If gaming ever comes to the point where games are ONLY available via digital download, that is the moment I quit gaming and stick to the systems that don't require it. Backed %100!

[lokizz]

I will add to the wah-wahing, troll. Yes there are alternatives, but it's like saving up all your money for a particular car, and then when you finally have enough you find out they removed windshield wiper compatibility to cut costs. Can you drive? Sure you can! Just not in the rain! Well funk dat.

or you could save up more money and get a car with winshield wipers. or try and get a deal on a used car with windshield wipers. unless youre totally new to gaming youve knwn , as do all of us, that bc has been out of the equation for years now so why the hell is everyone so surprised by it?

[whoknows]

I suddenly have the urge to play a PS2 game on my BC PS3 right about now.

[DestroVega]

PS3 slim + PS2 slim + duct tape = A PS3 with BC :lol:

:-#

haha

[chrisnsally]

Have to say, I love my 60Gb.

[Ryukahn]

I'm not really craving for BC anymore. It's been a long time since I wanted to play a bunch of PS2 games, and really there is only a few I'd like to play at this point. I will say one of the worst gaming decisions I've ever made was selling my entire PS2/PSOne collection (including a ton of RPGs I never got around to beating) when PS3 BC was announced (before the price of the system was announced). I figured I could just rebuy all the games for cheap once the system was released and use the money I made on the sale to get a PS3. Then it was revealed to cost $600 or whatever it was back then. A surefire DOH moment if there ever was one.

[fullmetalfan720]

Well, I guess I'll be looking for an old 20, 60 or 80gb model.

[jh6269]

The only thing I can think of that Sony could be doing is, if you look at the NPD numbers (posted in a separate thread), you'll see that they're selling almost as many PS2s as they are PS3s. From what I've read, Sony makes tons of profits on each PS2. So, they're selling more "consoles" than the 360, but half of them are PS2s.

If Sony would put BC back into the PS3, they would probably not sell as many, and they would make less of a profit.

Now, is that really what is going on? Is it really smart to lose this generation and persist the situation where your install base is the lowest?

Who knows, but I hope there is some method to this madness somewhere.

[Thomas96]

What I don't like about the statement that was made (by Koller) is that he just comes out and says that its not going to happen so STFU people who are asking for it... I don't think that's good... he can say... "we're looking into it" or ... I can't comment on that right now. Everyone was all happy about the price drop, and was at least optimistic that perhaps one day BC would come to the PS3.. and then this fool comes and craps over the entire party.

All PS2 games don't need to be BC on the PS3, but at least hit up some of the greatest hits games and some of the popular ones... but then again... just do them all.

I think Sony knows that BC is something that people like to know their system has, but they probably won't use it that much when they have it. Its the old... "you won't miss it until its gone" type thinking.

[FroMann]

Well time to re-buy a PS2 and some component cables.

[mykevermin]

Remember when Sony said that it was impossible to add rumble to the sixaxis controller?

I do.

[BigBizzee]

Exactly ^^^^

[nasum]

hmm, complete final nail in the coffin...
FF XIII goes multi-platform
Stand alone BR Players are now affordable and high quality
No more BC for PS3 (I was waiting for the inevitable $250-300 price range to buy one)
360 Elite has HDMI

Yep, no PS3 for me. Bummer too, it sounded so great at the beginning, I just didn't want to pay that much...

[flameofdoom666]

I REFUSE to buy a PS3 without BC. Main reason: Limited space. I have a PS2 with component wires right now, and it hopefully will one day be replaced.

Also, upscaling would be nice.

[Teh Nitwit]

This only means that they're currently not planning on adding BC to Slim via firmware update. Probably mainly because emulating PS2 is beyond PS3's capability. Otherwise they could sell this feature and then sell PS2 games via PSN.

I suspect that when they finally stop making/selling PS2's they will make a new PS3 model that will have PS2 BC.

[Teh Nitwit]

hmm, complete final nail in the coffin...
FF XIII goes multi-platform
Stand alone BR Players are now affordable and high quality
No more BC for PS3 (I was waiting for the inevitable $250-300 price range to buy one)
360 Elite has HDMI

Yep, no PS3 for me. Bummer too, it sounded so great at the beginning, I just didn't want to pay that much...

Wow, that's so retarded. Welcome to my ignore list, xbot.

I REFUSE to buy a PS3 without BC. Main reason: Limited space. I have a PS2 with component wires right now, and it hopefully will one day be replaced.

Also, upscaling would be nice.

If the main reason is not money, then why didn't you buy a PS3 when it did have BC. If it's that important, then why not buy it when it was dicounted when non-BC models came out? Take your BS somewhere else.

[PseudoFinrod]

ps3 slim + ps2 slim + duct tape = a ps3 with bc :lol:

:-#

lol

[saturnotaku]

When I first saw the title of this thread, I thought that there was going to be a software update that disabled BC. I think I'll hug my 20 GB (w/320 GB HDD) when I get home today.

[The 7th Number]

most people are buying the PS3 for PS3 games. They've buying it for PS3 games and Blu-ray movies.Wow, did he really say that? You mean people are actually buying a ps3 for ps3 games and blu ray movies? I thought it was becuase they wanted to play ps2 games on a system that doesnt support ps2 games. But seriously, what he said is obvious, but how many people are NOT buying a PS3 because it doesnt have ps2 BC? Im sure there are some out there that are waiting and hoping. Though i wouldnt say its millions of people. But that was an incredibly dumb statement. He is just trying to make it look like no one cares about ps2 BC. If they wont give us PS2 BC, at least give us a PS2 store to buy PS2 games.

[Wooten]

This only means that they're currently not planning on adding BC to Slim via firmware update. Probably mainly because emulating PS2 is beyond PS3's capability.

Isn't that exactly what the 80gig BC PS3's were doing?

I'm pretty sure it will come it's just a matter of time. Just like Myke said, they said the controllers wouldn't have rumble, they said the ps3 slim was a rumor, now they say BC is never coming back. I don't buy it.

[VipFREAK]

I guess I really am stuck with this big brick (60gb BC)... Unless GT5 planning on going Multiplatform along with all the other older GT games... xD

[smiggity]

Surprise! Another troll comment from the PS3 troll!! I wish I had nothing to do but put worthless messages on the 360 forums all day

At least Cheapest can stop his damn bitchin b/c it aint coming back. They wil just be doing select games for Download. Socom 2 Turbo HD Remix please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[VipFREAK]

I can't help it if RSV2 on a PS3 (yes, I owned it on the ps3 at one time and played it) is a FAIL and it's great on the 360. As I said before... I could give a shit about the system. I want the game. PS3 doesn't have squat.

[silks]

I'm sure Sony's in no hurry to "add" BC because, like somebody else said, it discourages sales of the PS2...which is still selling. I figure they'll squeeze every last drop of profits out of the PS2, maybe for another year (since sales are finally falling, according to Sony's last quarterly statement), and then add software BC to the PS3.

As for emulating PS2 games being beyond the PS3's capabilities, well...last time I checked the Xbox 360 can do Xbox emulation, and the Xbox was more powerful than the PS2 hardware-wise. Emulating PS2 games should be no problem for the PS3.

[lordopus99]

why would they put out backwards capability back in... it would cost them more to put it in and plus then they couldn't sell Crash Bandicoot and other PS1/PS2 games for $10-20 if people could use the discs they bought previously.

[jrsmaster411]

why would they put out backwards capability back in... it would cost them more to put it in and plus then they couldn't sell Crash Bandicoot and other PS1/PS2 games for $10-20 if people could use the discs they bought previously.
PS1 backward compatibility is in every ps3 ever made

[Ecofreak]

Can a mod please consolidate all of these threads? It's already been covered extensively in the Sony Price Drop thread (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6208445#post6208445). I'm all for free discussion with people expressing their ideas and frustrations, but not when it clogs up the forum.

[whoknows]

I can't help it if RSV2 on a PS3 (yes, I owned it on the ps3 at one time and played it) is a FAIL and it's great on the 360. As I said before... I could give a shit about the system. I want the game. PS3 doesn't have squat.

What's so bad about it? I have it and it's a lot of fun.

[Paco]

hmm, complete final nail in the coffin...
Ff xiii goes multi-platform
stand alone br players are now affordable and high quality
no more bc for ps3 (i was waiting for the inevitable $250-300 price range to buy one)
360 elite has hdmi

yep, no ps3 for me. Bummer too, it sounded so great at the beginning, i just didn't want to pay that much...

360. It"s for poor people.

[Cheapass24]

All the people not buying a PS3 because of no BC, here's a thought for you:
GO BUY A BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE ONE OFF OF EBAY, FOR $300 OR LESS, AND QUIT COMPLAINING.
It seems they just love to bitch, when they could easily get a bc ps3.

[lokizz]

360. It"s for poor people.

lmao that would make for a funny commercial. i think alot of you are on to somthing considering they dont make money on used games and many people new to sony gaming if they had a bc system would buy the games they wanted to play on ps2 used it makes sense to take out bc and then just sell the games as dlc. if you could get a game like gow2 or kh2 for 15 or 20 bucks as dlc i think many people would go for that over over buying it used in store. that could also explain why the new ps3 comes with a 120gb harddrive. ps2 games tend to clock in at 2 to 5 gb right?

[whoknows]

All the people not buying a PS3 because of no BC, here's a thought for you:
GO BUY A BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE ONE OFF OF EBAY, FOR $300 OR LESS, AND QUIT COMPLAINING.
It seems they just love to bitch, when they could easily get a bc ps3.

I have a better idea. Instead of buying a PS3 to play PS2 games maybe buy one to play PS3 games on? I know it sounds crazy, but it just might work.

[Paco]

I have a better idea. Instead of buying a PS3 to play PS2 games maybe buy one to play PS3 games on? I know it sounds crazy, but it just might work.

Hmmmm Flabbergasting, but it might be true.

[Blackout]

Remember when Sony said that it was impossible to add rumble to the sixaxis controller?

I do.

Haha. Yeah. I got a feeling we'll see BC down the line.

RSV2 did suck ass for PS3. When that game came out, it didn't work online for 2-3 weeks. I still enjoyed it when it eventually started working right.

[Phunin]

Lol, hopefully they'll allow you to emulate the good games off the Playstation Network.

[Ecofreak]

Lol, hopefully they'll allow you to emulate the good games off the Playstation Network.

You bet they will -- for the right price, anyways. 8-)

[smiggity]

I can't help it if RSV2 on a PS3 (yes, I owned it on the ps3 at one time and played it) is a FAIL and it's great on the 360. As I said before... I could give a shit about the system. I want the game. PS3 doesn't have squat.


That was like two years ago dude. Get over it.

[VipFREAK]

So ironic fanboy... Anyway, so what it was 2 yrs. ago I'm using it as a perfect example. I can name off something more current if you like...

[Thomas96]

What's so bad about it? I have it and it's a lot of fun.

I have RSV and RSV2 and I love them both... I'd like to know what problems RSV2 allegedly has?

[Thomas96]

So ironic fanboy... Anyway, so what it was 2 yrs. ago I'm using it as a perfect example. I can name off something more current if you like...

what games or types of games can't you find on the PS3?

[VipFREAK]

Looks like crap. I guess because my monitor isn't 1:1, probably wouldn't make a difference. Plays like crap. Good example (for me at least) is the cover system glitching. The AI is even dumber in the PS3 version. Then there's physically the PS3 controller sucking over the 360's. Example for that would be the height of the analog sticks, or the triggers, but you can't even use the triggers on a PS3 to begin with. That's all I can remember so far.

what games or types of games can't you find on the PS3?

Hmm... well I probably could I guess like RSV2, but in general I do FPS and Car Racing. Oh and NHL. Which reminds me, NHL09 was garbage on the PS3 too.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

Surprise! Another troll comment from the PS3 troll!! I wish I had nothing to do but put worthless messages on the 360 forums all day

At least Cheapest can stop his damn bitchin b/c it aint coming back. They wil just be doing select games for Download. Socom 2 Turbo HD Remix please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Never say never. They said rumble was 'last gen tech' and then they added it back in....and unfortunately charged suckers(including me) for the privilege of having a controller with rumble in it. Of course, it also took them helping out MS in the process, since by the time they settled the suit with Immersion, MS owned a portion of the company.

As for charging for PS2 games on PSN, I predict ALOT of pissed off gamers complaining that they should be allowed to use their games they bought prior to play versus letting Sony double dip and charge them for some bs digital version.

Mind you, I'd give some PS2 games I never got a chance to play a whirl if they're $5 on PSN, but $20 for a game that I can get a used copy of for $5 and a PS2 to play it on from CL for $20. No thanks, Sony. No thanks.

[Thomas96]

Looks like crap. I guess because my monitor isn't 1:1, probably wouldn't make a difference. Plays like crap. Good example (for me at least) is the cover system glitching. The AI is even dumber in the PS3 version. Then there's physically the PS3 controller sucking over the 360's. Example for that would be the height of the analog sticks, or the triggers, but you can't even use the triggers on a PS3 to begin with. That's all I can remember so far.



Hmm... well I probably could I guess like RSV2, but in general I do FPS and Car Racing. Oh and NHL. Which reminds me, NHL09 was garbage on the PS3 too.

Well you have played both, so I guess you can tell the difference. But having only played the PS3 version, I enjoyed it, and didn't feel like I was "missing" anything, or felt like the game wasn't good. Now the PS3 controller is just "your" opinion.. and not fact. Its really just a matter of preference, you spend time w/ the 360 controller and you enjoy it, and I'm the opposite, I like the PS3 controller better, and spend more time with it. My triggers word fine...

[Blackout]

I have RSV and RSV2 and I love them both... I'd like to know what problems RSV2 allegedly has?

I played the game for a solid 6-7 months and the online was sort of laggy and glitchy. Like I said, when the game came out, it didn't work for jack squat on the PS3 for a good 3 weeks, after thousands of people paid 60 bucks for it. Yuo could not play online AT all. They fixed that though. As far as I know, the 360 version had some of the same issues, as well as erasing leaderboard scores, so VipFREAK can get off its dick already cause that version wasn't perfect either. Ubisoft just plain sucks.

[Lost_In_Shadows]

Is this really that big of a deal? If it bothers you so bad go find a 60 gig ps3 or better yet just a cheap ps2... ;)

[bornrunnin31]

Lulz that people still bitch about this 2 years later. You had your chance and didn't support the system/feature when it was available. So either quit whining or go buy a used console.

[ratzombie]

Sony has always come off as really insecure about the salability of PS3 games to me. It's like they are worried people won't buy PS3 games and Blu-ray movies if they have this vast library of PS2 games available to them. I really think they should give their own audience a little more credit.

[Thomas96]

Sony has always come off as really insecure about the salability of PS3 games to me. It's like they are worried people won't buy PS3 games and Blu-ray movies if they have this vast library of PS2 games available to them. I really think they should give their own audience a little more credit.

and more credit to the developers. A lot of games didn't sell as well as they Should have due to that high ass price tag.

[the7k]

The only reason for backwards compatibility is to get people to buy a system when it launches. Doing that made the PS3 too damn expensive.

Now that it has been out for a while, backwards compatibility is less necessary. Most people have moved on and forgotten PS2 in favor of the Wii and X360. Hell, a good chunk of people sold their PS2 libraries just to fund their Wii and/or X360. What do they need BC for? They don't have any games to play anymore!

Sure, I'd love for PS2 BC to hit the PS3 through some sort of software update. Will it happen? I sure as hell ain't holding my breath. Wii emulation is already light-years ahead of PS2 emulation. It'd be too damn much work, and for no profit. Think about it: If you had a PS3 that was capable of playing PS2 games, would you A) Buy what little brand-new PS2 games there are, or B) Buy used from GameStop, eBay, Amazon, etc.?

There just isn't any incentive for Sony to do BC - thus, it'll never happen. Unless, of course, they decide to sell PS2 games on the PlayStation Network, and they happen to be generous enough to let us play PS2 games without buying them from the Network. Again, I wouldn't hold my breath.

As sad as it may be, collectors like myself are not the target audience of gaming.

[blitz6speed]

PS2 software update is going to come, just not right now. Slim + 299 + awesome lineup for months ahead is the plan right now. There is going to be a lot of hype and when the time is right, sony will introduce PS2 games on the PSN along with a new firmware for it. People will rejoice in the streets, meetings at microsoft will happen where they will discuss talking points for their paid forum members to discuss new ways to dismiss the PS3 entirely, etc. Fun days ahead, folks.

p.s. - i am feeling confident to say, PS2 games on PSN for 15 or less, and if you want to play PS2 games from disc on any ps3, 30 bucks one time fee. Would be perfect for everyone.

[mis0]

I have a PS2.. and I am content with that.

But yeah.. I see PS2 emulation coming to all PS3's sooner or later. Right when we think the PS3 is ending it's life cycle.. BAM, PS2 emulation--Another "10 year console" is born.

[Thomas96]

If its not emulation, maybe they'll start reselling PS2 games (remastered) and enhanced for the PS3. PS3Extreme has reported a God of War [1 and 2] PS3 Bundle Rumor (http://www.qj.net/Rumor-God-of-War-1-and-2-PS3-bundle-coming-to-include-God-of-War-III-demo/pg/49/aid/134020) Where on one Blu Ray they're going to include God of War I and 2.. plus a God of War III Demo. I wouldn't mind seeing some Collection Blu Rays of old PS2 games remastered... so they look better in HD... I can see myself picking up some blu ray collections like that.

[lokizz]

If its not emulation, maybe they'll start reselling PS2 games (remastered) and enhanced for the PS3. PS3Extreme has reported a God of War [1 and 2] PS3 Bundle Rumor (http://www.qj.net/Rumor-God-of-War-1-and-2-PS3-bundle-coming-to-include-God-of-War-III-demo/pg/49/aid/134020) Where on one Blu Ray they're going to include God of War I and 2.. plus a God of War III Demo. I wouldn't mind seeing some Collection Blu Rays of old PS2 games remastered... so they look better in HD... I can see myself picking up some blu ray collections like that.


even though i own both games id be down for buying that if it existed.

[Vitality X]

wow, a lot of bickering. I hope the guys complaining aren't the same guys who support microsoft and their crappyy failure rates (over 50 percent). Lets not forget that the 360 BC isn't something to be proud about either. Jeez, its business. If you guys don't think microsoft has lied as the same with sony, you're fools. Theyre in it for the money. Be a gamer, not a sheep.

[200STM]

2007 80GB nothing else

[Thekrakrabbit]

Selling games over Xbox Live/PSN is the future. It will save publishers a lot of money by not having to make hardcopy versions of everything. They advertise like normal, but instead of saying "Availble Now At Wal-Mart" they say "Available Now On The Playstation Network".

Sure, it may suck for the gamer, but publishers don't care about the gamer. They care about the all-mighty dollar, and screw the gamer :(