Survivor 20: Heroes vs. Villains - February 11, 2010 - Official Discussion Thread

[WhipSmartBanky]

Since there's quite a bit of buzz on this in the Survivor 19 thread I figured I'd go ahead and start this one now.

The cast has been officially revealed!

Those returning for the "Villains": Tyson Apostol ("Tocantins"); Randy Bailey ("Gabon"); Sandra Diaz-Twine ("Pearl Islands"); Danielle DiLorenzo ("Panama"); Russell Hantz, ("Samoa"); Jerri Manthey ("Australian Outback" and "All-Stars"); Rob Mariano ("Marqeusas" and "All-Stars"); Parvati Shallow ("Cook Islands" and "Fans vs. Favorites"); Ben Wade ("Tocantins") and Courtney Yates ("China").

The returnees for the "Heroes": Rupert Boneham (" Pearl Islands" and "All-Stars"); James Clement ("China" and "Fans vs. Favorites"); Colby Donaldson ("Australian Outback" and "All-Stars"); Cirie Fields ("Panama" and "Fans vs. Favorites"); Amanda Kimmel ("China" and "Fans vs. Favorites"); Jessica "Sugar" Kiper ("Gabon"); Stephenie LaGrossa ("Palau" and "Guatemala"); James "JT" Thomas ("Tocantins"); Tom Westman ("Palau") and Candice Woodcock ("Cook Islands").

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Survivor-Heroes-Villains-1013474.aspx

Thanks for the link, pitfallharry219!

[pitfallharry219]

No problem. Can't wait!

[WhipSmartBanky]

I was just reading the Wikipedia entry for it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivor:_Heroes_vs._Villains) and apparently it was shot in Samoa just 20 days after Survivor 19 wrapped up since the infrastructure for the show was already in place. The 2009 Samoan earthquake and tsunami occurred right after filming finished for Survivor 20.

[Ronzilla]

I'm in. Thanks for starting up this thread. Hopefully this will be as EPIC if not more EPIC than Season 19. :whee:

[tcrash247]

I really hope Russell runs away with Season 20 and that the jury can recognize a fantastic player.

[Jesus_S_Preston]

Major spoiler

The troll loses.

[pitfallharry219]

The show's been picked up for another two seasons.

http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2010/01/25/survivor-the-amazing-race-picked-up-for-another-season/

[tcrash247]

Good to hear! This is pretty much the only reality competition show I watch.

[WhipSmartBanky]

Bumping this up in anticipation of this week's premiere.

[pitfallharry219]

The premiere is two hours long on Thursday.

[Rocko]

Did anyone see the special they aired last week? Seeing Richard Hatch made me sad that he won't be playing. :[

[powercreep]

Russell was jobbed in season 19. Hope he wins it all in 20.

[WhipSmartBanky]

Episode: Slay Everyone, Trust No One (NEW)

Injuries threaten to send two castaways home before the first challenge is finished.

Two hour season premiere tonight!

[Rocko]

Alright!

[crunchb3rry]

LOL at Sugar's "victory pose" to Sandra.

[Wet Ninja]

I'm not sure what it is, but I've been more excited for this season that for any season in a long time. There are a few people I wish were on it (Hatch, Yau Man) and a few people I wish weren't (Sandra, Danielle, Sugar), but overall, it's a great cast.

Tyson's hilarious. I wish he would get more camera/interview time.

[WhipSmartBanky]

LOL at Sugar's "victory pose" to Sandra.
This. Great opener. Kind of surprised to see all the butt-kissing and how well everyone got along that first night, but it quickly devolved into the usual "who's threatened by whom" shenanigans. :)

[powercreep]

Sandra unsnapping Sugar's top was classic. I LOL'd.

[WhipSmartBanky]

Sandra unsnapping Sugar's top was classic. I LOL'd.
I was almost on the floor when Sugar wiggled out of her top after that and just sprinted to the finish without it. Floor was attained when she spun around topless and gave Sandra a double-shot of middle finger.

[DarkNessBear]

I've only watched the first 30 minutes... but, man Danielle better not get voted out... damn.

[Koggit]

i watched the first 30 minutes too, that was my first time ever seeing survivor (i saw the ad during super bowl & decided to give it a shot)... i was pretty disappointed, seemed like kind of a terrible show, but damn those bitches are hot. looking at previous seasons it seems like the greatest thing this show has going is a constant flow of scantly clad hot bitches on the beach.


i'm extremely anti-makeup. i mean, there are exceptions, but i usually dont consider actresses all the hot because they always wear so much makeup. but survivor has celebrity-level attractive girls not wearing too much (any?) makeup and the result is almost worth watching the show for. i can see the appeal.

[crunchb3rry]

I want to a competition where Stephanie, Amanda, Parvati, and Candice have to wrestle for puzzle pieces hidden in a giant kiddie pool filled with jello.

[DarkNessBear]

i watched the first 30 minutes too, that was my first time ever seeing survivor (i saw the ad during super bowl & decided to give it a shot)... i was pretty disappointed, seemed like kind of a terrible show, but damn those bitches are hot. looking at previous seasons it seems like the greatest thing this show has going is a constant flow of scantly clad hot bitches on the beach.


i'm extremely anti-makeup. i mean, there are exceptions, but i usually dont consider actresses all the hot because they always wear so much makeup. but survivor has celebrity-level attractive girls not wearing too much (any?) makeup and the result is almost worth watching the show for. i can see the appeal.

What makes it better is that they used to censor out the chicks butts if you could see too much. But, I'm glad they have thrown that logic out this season... and glad they don't censor Amanda anymore. Wonder why they stopped.

[crunchb3rry]

Such a bullshit choice of who they voted off tonight. Morons.

A lady at work semi-spoiled the season saying she found a list of who was voted off and in what order. So far it's correct. She said Randy gets voted off next week and Russell makes final four. Then I changed the subject so she'd stop talking. When I see her tomorrow I have to be ready to stop her if she starts spoiling more shit for me.

[pitfallharry219]

I missed a few of the middle seasons, including Tom's, but everything I've ever seen about him made him sound like a good guy. After watching him so far this season, he comes off like kind of a douchebag, to me at least.

Actually after looking at a list of seasons, I missed five of them. I started watching from the very beginning, and I stopped watching after Jenna won Amazon(6). Then I started watching again when Panama(12) started. So I missed Pearl Islands, All Stars, Vanuatu, Palau, and Guatemala.

[crunchb3rry]

Tom is just arrogant. Basically an uber-alpha male. Rupert is kind of an asshole now.

The only genuinely good guy there is JT. He even seems like a nice guy when he's trying to play dirty, lol.

[Cantatus]

Actually after looking at a list of seasons, I missed five of them. I started watching from the very beginning, and I stopped watching after Jenna won Amazon(6). Then I started watching again when Panama(12) started. So I missed Pearl Islands, All Stars, Vanuatu, Palau, and Guatemala.

You can get a couple of those seasons on DVD now (or iTunes). I really loved Pearl Islands. That's the season that got me back into watching Survivor (I stopped after the 3rd season). Palau was also awesome just for the fact of watching what it really means to see a tribe self-destruct.

Tom is just arrogant. Basically an uber-alpha male. Rupert is kind of an asshole now.

The only genuinely good guy there is JT. He even seems like a nice guy when he's trying to play dirty, lol.

I'm not sure if it's just editing, but one of the things that has always interested me when they bring previous players back is seeing how much different they can look from one season to the next. Rupert, for example, was just plain awesome in Pearl Islands. There was no question as to why he was a fan favorite. This season, he's really not impressing me the same way. Maybe it's too early to make that sort of a judgment though.

I still like Tom though. He was pretty kickass on his season (dude killed a shark!), and it's good to see him not resting on his laurels. I was really hoping his alliance with JT and Tom to work out, just so we could see if two previous winners could make it to the end together, which would mean we'd see someone win a second time. Maybe he'll make it to the merge and team up with Parvati or Sandra.

[Rocko]

Sandra should die in a fire.

[Jesus_S_Preston]

Ugh, I hate this season. More Russell and an entire team of Douchebags, and a team of mostly-boring Heroes. Why is Amanda here for a third time exactly?

[Cantatus]

Why is Amanda here for a third time exactly?

I question why both Amanda and James are back for the third time. I found the whole season of China to be fairly lackluster. I can see bringing James back once as a novelty due to him bungling up having two immunity idols, but I sort of question why he or Amanda are worth bringing back for a third time. What makes them "heroes"?

I am glad they brought Courtney back, however. Her snark during the interviews pointing out how useless most of the people were was probably one of the few highlights of that season.

[Jesus_S_Preston]

I'd also like to know why Courtney decided to wear men's underwear to the show and why the one girl has frilly lace around her bikini bottoms.

[Wet Ninja]

I missed a few of the middle seasons, including Tom's, but everything I've ever seen about him made him sound like a good guy. After watching him so far this season, he comes off like kind of a douchebag, to me at least.

Yeah, Tom's fairly arrogant. He's pretty honest and trustworthy too, though. His season was pretty unique in that (spoiler from his season, Palau) the physically dominant person (Tom) actually made it to the end and won. Usually, after the merge, the physical threats are voted off fairly early.

[usickenme]

I've been checking in online. I hope no one bought Boston Rob's act.

[DarkNessBear]

Ugh, I hate this season. More Russell and an entire team of Douchebags, and a team of mostly-boring Heroes. Why is Amanda here for a third time exactly?

I'd also like to know why Courtney decided to wear men's underwear to the show and why the one girl has frilly lace around her bikini bottoms.

Please reconsider your sexuality... damn man.

I question why both Amanda and James are back for the third time. I found the whole season of China to be fairly lackluster. I can see bringing James back once as a novelty due to him bungling up having two immunity idols, but I sort of question why he or Amanda are worth bringing back for a third time. What makes them "heroes"?


Really why is James a hero? Because he is awesome.

[crunchb3rry]

James is a clueless swampbilly.

[Halo05]

James is great. I keep hoping he'll go berserk and break someone over one of his knees like a stick.

EDIT - And then dig a grave for them.

[2DMention]

I've never missed an episode in all the seasons it's been on TV. I don't know why - I just find the show endlessly and throughly entertaining. Maybe it has something to do with my interest in sociology.

Sugar was right to get booted first; I'm not so sure about Steph. I thought that was pretty dirty that they brought up her history in challenges and in the game.

Looking forward to this week's episode.

[Cantatus]

I've never missed an episode in all the seasons it's been on TV. I don't know why - I just find the show endlessly and throughly entertaining. Maybe it has something to do with my interest in sociology.

You know, I generally hate reality shows, but when I tried to explain to someone why I enjoy Survivor so much, it pretty much boiled down to the sociological and psychological aspects. There's just something about the social part of the game I just find so enthralling, and no other reality show seems to be able to emulate it.

[crunchb3rry]

It's hard to explain to someone why you like Survivor. They never give you the benefit of the doubt. They figure it's just like any other shitty reality show they avoid like the plague. The Darwinism of the game is the star. And, honestly, it's the only gameshow that isn't a candyass show. These people really do starve and sleep in the freezing cold during typhoons. They earn that million dollar prize.

What amazes me is it never feel "stale", not like other shows where by season 3 or 4 the gimmick ran out and you wonder why it's still on the air.

[2DMention]

I'm surprised the Heroes are losing every immunity challenge. They're the beefy ones while the Villians are the brains. Most of the early immunity challenges are physical, but not this time.

I'd like to see the Villians lose an immunity. It would be much more interesting to see them scramble.

[Rocko]

I'd love to see Parvati die in a fire.

[2DMention]

Too bad Poverty didn't get voted out. If they don't get her off before the merge, they'll be in big trouble.

No surprise Randy got voted out. Also glad to see the Heroes finally win an immunity challenge.

[WhipSmartBanky]

That immunity challenge was better than WWE. Randy always looks like he just got out of bed. I really liked Russel last season, but this season he seems like the little dog.

[Halo05]

lol @ Coach weeping in the preview.

[Rocko]

"lol @ Coach" pretty much sums up the entirety of the guy's screen time. He's such a joke. I can't believe he's even a real person.

[Cantatus]

"lol @ Coach" pretty much sums up the entirety of the guy's screen time. He's such a joke. I can't believe he's even a real person.

Gotta love his MLK speech about doing whatever he could to keep Randy in the game right before Randy gets voted out. Coach is someone I would never want to win the game, but damn, it is entertaining to watch someone so delusional.

[Vulgarism]

"lol @ Coach" pretty much sums up the entirety of the guy's screen time. He's such a joke. I can't believe he's even a real person.


Agreed, but damn, it got him on TV. The immunity challenge was wonderful, and I would have loved to see Courtney get her skinny ass demolished by Cirie...

[Wet Ninja]

That's too bad that Randy got voted out. He cracks me up; I love all the sarcastic comments he makes. The funniest part of it is that he's a wedding videographer, making a living filming the happiest day of people's lives while he's so bitter.

[DarkNessBear]

I'd love to see Parvati die in a fire.

Before you burn her... may I haz pleez? :drool:

She reminds me of Miranda from ME2

[WhipSmartBanky]

Before you burn her... may I haz pleez? :drool:

She reminds me of Miranda from ME2
You know who reminds me of Miranda? Sarah from the show Chuck...

;)

Yes, I know it's the same actress...

[2DMention]

It's too bad the Villians won another immunity. The Heroes were so close!

Oh well, good to see Cirie go home. It was a good move for the heroes, as she's a sneak and quite a strategic threat.

[crunchb3rry]

So glad that Cirie got the fucking boot early for once.

[WhipSmartBanky]

So glad that Cirie got the fucking boot early for once.
Admittedly it was a great move, as she's definitely one of those people who could herself all the way to the end of the game by convincing stronger players to take her. Still, I really thought Tom or Colby needed go to NOW, but it still flushed the hidden immunity idol out either way. I was hoping that wouldn't show up this season.

[Vulgarism]

I honestly hated her the original season she was on and am very happy to see her go. I'm a little sad that the challenge they used was the one Russell passed out during last season, as he was probably my favorite player since Rupert debuted. Coach crying was wonderful, though.

Anybody think Russell is screwing himself over? Boston Rob really does make a damn good leader, and I don't think he's somebody that Russell should challenge... Because Boston Rob seems like he could get Russell gone the next time the villains go to Tribal council... Unless they all go against Courtney or Danielle...

[WhipSmartBanky]

Does anyone else seem to think that Danielle's lousy implants are starting to grow together?

Oh...and so far the first four eliminations listed True Dork Times' SURVIV-O-METER 20 have been right on the money.

[Halo05]

Russell is being too aggressive given the fact that he's with a group of people who have played the game already. The main reason I was happy to see the Heroes go to Tribal Council was that it spared Russell for at least another show. He needs to start finding his string of immunity idols and chopping off heads.

[crunchb3rry]

I think Russell has something up his sleeve. I think he already found the idol and is going to go out every day and keep pretending to look for it. The show seems to editing it in a way that didn't show what his results were searching for it, and next week makes a point to show him blatantly going to look for it when everyone is having a group hangout.

They'll probably figure he doesn't have it and target someone else, and when they run out of easy targets they'll go for him and he'll use it. The Villains are the only smart ones this season. They would rather keep Russell for now just to keep beating the Heroes. The Heroes are stupid this season. Tom's idea to keep him so they could use that idol against the Villains if they merged at a disadvantage was a good one but only JT saw that. Actually, they all saw that until Cirie used her voodoo magic on Amanda and James.

[2DMention]

Stupid basketball tonight ruining our Survivor fun!

[2DMention]

They make up for no episode last week by having it on Wed. this week.

[crunchb3rry]

Dude, that was awesome. I thought Rob was going to cry.

[Javery]

Russell is far and away the best Survivor player ever. Last night was incredible and I cannot believe he pulled it off. He managed to keep his entire alliance safe and get rid of an enemy. Now he is sitting in a decent position at 5-3 AND I think his display of loyalty to Parvati totally swayed Coach to go to his side. The look on Boston Rob's face was awesome - he was like "WTF just happened?" AWESOME.

[shrike4242]

Russell is far and away the best Survivor player ever. Last night was incredible and I cannot believe he pulled it off. He managed to keep his entire alliance safe and get rid of an enemy. Now he is sitting in a decent position at 5-3 AND I think his display of loyalty to Parvati totally swayed Coach to go to his side. The look on Boston Rob's face was awesome - he was like "WTF just happened?" AWESOME.He wasn't the only one with that look on his face. The entire Villains tribe was sitting there with their collective jaws dropped.

Next week looks like it should be quite interesting indeed with the fallout from that.

[WhipSmartBanky]

Agreed. Say what you will about Russell's personalty or character, but the man is a true genius of the game of Survivor.

He even called it in the pre-Tribal Council interview and nailed their strategy to get him out, but he planted just enough of a seed in Tyson's mind to make him flip the whole thing. Amazing.

But to take the idol and give it to Parvati IN FRONT of everyone else? Yeah, that was just awesome.

[lordopus99]

Russell's move last night by far succeeded any of his moments last year. It was just brillant and Tyson might have upstage James (going home with the idols) as the dumbest survivor. I agree with the rest of you... Boston Rob's face was just priceless.

[Javery]

It was definitely the dumbest move ever by Tyson. If he had done nothing he was 100% not going home. At least James had pretty good reason to not play the idols at the time. Tyson had no reason to switch his vote. None. Idiot. I'm glad he is gone too because I found him to be one of the most unlikeable people on the show.

[crunchb3rry]

Rob's days are numbered, he's smart but out of his league against Russell. Russell was a genius with that move. What he did was use clever wordplay to make Tyson think he was going to cast a vote to Parvati (with the "slip" that he had the idol and wanted to sell out Parvati so they couldn't attempt to flush it out). But then gave the idol to her so the other side's throwaway vote puts Russell's minority alliance in the majority. Fucking beautiful. Somebody who got all that on Tivo should make a Youtube video of it set to the Excalibur music.

[packerfan10]

Russell's move was classic ^_^.

[tcrash247]

Just finished this week's episode. That was fan-fucking-tastic. I don't think anyone can disagree that Russell is the greatest person to play Survivor, ever. My mom watches the show too and she absolutely hates Russell, but admits he's good at this game. Tyson is a moron and deserves to never be on Survivor ever again.

[Halo05]

Finally watched my tape from Wednesday. What a move. Boston Rob is out of his league. For all his trash-talking, he got smoked by Russell.

I kinda liked Tyson, he was funny.

I'm sad to see James go because it was always awesome to see him pull out some crazy feats of strength in challenges or just at camp but I can see why they kicked him out.

[Vulgarism]

Looks like I'm the only person who feels this way... Russell is damn smart, and one of the best players, but I do think in the end, Boston Rob will outplay him. Watching Boston Rob at the challenges, he definitely pulls more weight. Boston Rob knew Russell was going to pull some shit, so he did come up with a wonderful plan, and it was such a slap in the face when Russell gave the idol to Parvarti... But it's not Boston Rob's fault Tyson was an idiot and easily swayed. That's the problem with Survivor... Too many idiots, and not enough smart players. The Heroes are just hurting way too much. I wish Russell from last season would have come back, because he was one of my favorite players in a long time. I miss Yao-Man too...

[Wet Ninja]

I kinda liked Tyson, he was funny.

I agree. I really like dry humor, so I find him hilarious.

Looks like I'm the only person who feels this way... Russell is damn smart, and one of the best players, but I do think in the end, Boston Rob will outplay him. Watching Boston Rob at the challenges, he definitely pulls more weight. Boston Rob knew Russell was going to pull some shit, so he did come up with a wonderful plan, and it was such a slap in the face when Russell gave the idol to Parvarti... But it's not Boston Rob's fault Tyson was an idiot and easily swayed.

I like both Boston Rob and Russell. I think they were both pretty evenly matched in terms of strategy that episode--Boston Rob foresaw Russell's move, so he countered by splitting the vote. Tyson was the won that failed, not Boston Rob.

Then again, I guess you could argue that it was Russell who swayed Tyson, so maybe he did get the upper hand on Boston Rob. Either way, this battle between the two of them should make for some great TV.

[Rocko]

I love Russell, I think he's the best player ever, and I want him to win the game. However, I think he just got really fucking lucky this week.

Coach, Courtney, Jerri vote for Parvati.
Tyson, Sandra, Rob vote for Russell.
Russell, Parvati, Danielle vote for Tyson.

That's 3-3-3, so no matter what happened, it would tie between 2 people and they could vote either Russell or Parvati out. But, Russell told Tyson that he was going to switch to voting for Parvati, and this seems to be the genius move everyone seems to be crediting Russell with. It seems like it was more Tyson's idiocy than Russell's smarts. Russell changing his vote to Parvati wouldn't influence Tyson's vote at all. If we assume, as Tyson did, that Russel switches his vote to Parvati, it would be:

Parvati 4, Russell 3, Tyson 2.

If no idol is used, Parvati goes home. If Parvati uses the idol, Russell goes home. If Russell uses the idol, Parvati goes home. When Tyson changed his vote, it would have become (assuming, as Tyson did, that Russell was being honest):

Parvati 5, Russell 2, Tyson 2

If no idol is used, Parvati goes home (like before). If Russell uses the idol, Parvati goes home (like before). But, if Parvati uses the idol, it creates a tie, whereas before Tyson's vote switched, Russell would have gone home.

So, really, there was absolutely no benefit to Tyson switching his vote, it only hurt himself. It was just a really boneheaded move, and I think it was more luck than skill on Russell's part.

[Javery]

It was a boneheaded move but Russell needed him to make the boneheaded move to have his plan work (which is why is was kind of genius - and ballsy as hell). Tyson said he wanted Parvati out so he figured if Russell was voting that way then he would too because that is who he wanted to go home. He understood Rob's plan but didn't follow it because between the two if them (Russell and Parvati) he wanted Parvati out. It was stupid because you should always vote with the masses in the beginning of the game - as long as it isn't you they are targeting then who cares?

I wonder if there is footage of Russell talking to everyone about voting Parvati out and it's just that Tyson was the only one who bit.

[crunchb3rry]

I think he only targeted Tyson. Because Tyson was the one they all (Russell, Parvati, and Whatshername) were voting for (Russell told him that too...and it was true). His fear of it going to a tie between him and Parvati (after Rob instructed everyone to split the vote) was what Russell used to cause him to just panic and vote Parvati. But the sad thing is if it went to a tie they all would have 6 votes against the other trio's 3. I would never have expected Tyson to screw up that bad.

[Cantatus]

It was a boneheaded move but Russell needed him to make the boneheaded move to have his plan work (which is why is was kind of genius - and ballsy as hell). Tyson said he wanted Parvati out so he figured if Russell was voting that way then he would too because that is who he wanted to go home. He understood Rob's plan but didn't follow it because between the two if them (Russell and Parvati) he wanted Parvati out. It was stupid because you should always vote with the masses in the beginning of the game - as long as it isn't you they are targeting then who cares?

In some post-game interviews, Tyson said part of the reason he switched is because he wanted Russell as an ally. If he switched his vote to Parvati, and Russell was voting Parvati, that meant he could have Russell as an ally with his immunity idol. That logic is sort of dumb as well, because with 3 votes for Parvati and 3 votes for Russell, Russell wouldn't have any clue which of the 6 voted for him.

I just find it amusing that, in a roundabout way, Tyson voted himself out.

[2DMention]

That was truly an epic episode and it showed that Russell is 3 steps ahead of everyone, even Rob who was thinking ahead.

Looking forward to tonight's.

My guess is that if the Heroes lose, candice is going home.
If the Villians lose, B. Rob is gone.

[Javery]

My guess is JT if heroes lose and B. Rob if the villians lose. I think Parvati and Russell are going to the end.

[Vulgarism]

How does everybody feel about Rupert? He seems to be losing his status as the big bear of the game and I don't know if he's gonna last much longer, although I really want him to go far. One last question.... How the hell does Courtney stay week after week? Does she just blend in with the trees and avoid any communication each episode?

[crunchb3rry]

Everyone I talk to about the season thinks Rupert is an asshole now. His charm faded away completely. I think what made him a favorite was that he was on a piracy themed season, looked like a pirate, and sold the other team's shoes in that village when they asked him to make sure nobody stole them.

[pitfallharry219]

Everyone I talk to about the season thinks Russell is an asshole now. His charm faded away completely. I think what made him a favorite was that he was on a piracy themed season, looked like a pirate, and sold the other team's shoes in that village when they asked him to make sure nobody stole them.

Do you mean Rupert?

[crunchb3rry]

Shit, yeah. I'll fix that.

[zewone]

Just finished watching this week's episode.

So happy.

I had a bet with who would last the longest between Russel and Boston Rob, and I won. 8-)

[Javery]

Rupert is a huge douche. I can't stand him.

[fatherofcaitlyn]

Rupert is a huge douche. I can't stand him.

I just thought of a new product: Rupert's Eve.

[lordopus99]

I think the Villians are dumb for not getting rid of aneroxia... i mean Courtney. She is going to cost them wins by her lack, at well, everything.

I loved the scene where Russell asked Rob, in front of Sandra and Courtney, who from them should go.

As for Rubert, he is a big douche. I didn't see his first season but based on this season I dont know how anyone thought he was their favorite. He comes across arrogant.

[Cantatus]

As for Rubert, he is a big douche. I didn't see his first season but based on this season I dont know how anyone thought he was their favorite. He comes across arrogant.

I was discussing this last night with my mom. After the first two seasons, she started watching again during All-Stars (the season after Rupert's first). In Pearl Islands, Rupert was awesome. He was the underdog you had to root for. He had an unrivaled passion for the game. He took the season's pirate theme to heart (even going so far as stealing the other tribe's shoes, because, hey, that's what pirates do), which made him incredibly fun to watch. He also was no slouch in challenges. Simply put, up until that point, he all-around one of the most awesome people to play the game, and the fans let him know with a huge outpouring of love which led to him winning the million dollar fan favorite prize during All Stars.

And therein lays the problem. I think all of the attention (and money) he got really went to his head. He seems to feel like he's entitled to have everything go his way, and masks it behind claims he's trying to keep the tribe strong, something he clearly couldn't defend when confronted by Jeff. And whether it is his broken toe or the fact that he's now that much older, but he's definitely not held up in challenges.

Essentially, he's not the same player he was the first time around purely because of ego - a quality he either really didn't exhibit in Pearl Islands or editing just made it appear that way.

[Vulgarism]

I was discussing this last night with my mom. After the first two seasons, she started watching again during All-Stars (the season after Rupert's first). In Pearl Islands, Rupert was awesome. He was the underdog you had to root for. He had an unrivaled passion for the game. He took the season's pirate theme to heart (even going so far as stealing the other tribe's shoes, because, hey, that's what pirates do), which made him incredibly fun to watch. He also was no slouch in challenges. Simply put, up until that point, he all-around one of the most awesome people to play the game, and the fans let him know with a huge outpouring of love which led to him winning the million dollar fan favorite prize during All Stars.

And therein lays the problem. I think all of the attention (and money) he got really went to his head. He seems to feel like he's entitled to have everything go his way, and masks it behind claims he's trying to keep the tribe strong, something he clearly couldn't defend when confronted by Jeff. And whether it is his broken toe or the fact that he's now that much older, but he's definitely not held up in challenges.

Essentially, he's not the same player he was the first time around purely because of ego - a quality he either really didn't exhibit in Pearl Islands or editing just made it appear that way.


The thing that needs to be kept in mind is that he IS playing with a broken toe... He still seems 110% in the game, but he has always and will always have to prove himself, no matter what he does. I think he exudes arrogance because he never feels safe. Sure, he is strong, but what else does he bring to the team? People could go as far as to point out when he wanted to fish in All-Stars (I believe) and the fishing gear broke because somebody used it... That pretty much was like him getting his two-week notice. He is the provider and when he's not providing, it stands out more than anybody else not pulling their weight--except for maybe James, whose injury stuck out like a sore thumb.

As for Russell, I think Survivor these past two seasons have proved one thing... People are fucking stupid as hell. Trusting Russell is like trusting a felon to house-sit your home. He tells you what you want to hear and then grabs his way to the top, pulling you down to further himself. The more people believe him, the closer he gets to the million. Coach is dumb for switching, because now, he's guaranteed to go home. Jerri's going home. Danielle will go home. Thankfully, I'm believing that Boston Rob going home was the best thing for the Heroes, because if you go back and watch challenges, watch who wins them for the Villains.

[Javery]

Russell or Rob HAD to go last night. Even though Courtney is definitely the weakest player they still weren't going to win anything with those two gunning for each other. This is typical Survivor - one tribe loses a ton but as a result trims the fat and then becomes stronger than the other tribe who still have to play their weak players. It's part of what makes the game so great - you are never out of it until you are out of it. Looking back at last week, getting rid of Tyson was the perfect move for Russell since he was the bridge between Coach and Boston Rob. With Tyson out of the picture everything went to shit. I am surprised that Russell was able to get Jerri to switch - I thought for sure he would have talked Coach into it. I actually feel bad for the guy - I'm sure Coach is the nicest guy in the world in real life because he wants everyone to like him and he has some kind of moral honor code that he lives by which is horrible for Survivor and why he keeps coming off as wishy-washy.

[crunchb3rry]

Broken toe or not, Rupert wanted Stephanie gone. That there is ass-ignorant when you are competing against another tribe. Stephanie was the toughest Survivor chick ever. She even pulled a Lethal Weapon and knocked her shoulder back into the socket and was like "OK, good to go!"

Coach is full of himself, but I think he's a decent guy. I don't understand at all why he's a "villain", certainly not this season. Jerri too, she's not nearly the snake she used to be. Even Tyson held back on the insults he used to throw around without care, I thought it was odd that him of all people was the one to console Coach when he started crying. The old Tyson would have stayed far away and just cracked jokes about it. Robb too, he wasn't as much of an asshole as he used to be, I think Amber has him whipped. She can whip me anytime though, while I eat ice cream out of Parvati's ass.

[WhipSmartBanky]

Just finished watching this week's episode.

So happy.

I had a bet with who would last the longest between Russel and Boston Rob, and I won. 8-)
You should take a look at True Dork Times' Surviv-O-Meter 20 if you want to bet him every week and take his money up until the final three. Their spoilers on who gets voted out when is 8/8 so far.

[zewone]

I wouldn't want to cheat or ruin the surprise for myself though.

[DarkNessBear]

Crazy good Episode, glad to see the Heroes finally doing something. And Russel is so damn good...

[tcrash247]

I think Amber has him whipped. She can whip me anytime though, while I eat ice cream out of Parvati's ass.

I agree with this statement 100%.

[Vulgarism]

I agree with this statement 100%.


Change Parvarti with Amanda for me. I like a girl who can play rough ;)

[Javery]

yeah - Amanda has a perfect body. Too bad she's a wreck up from the neck up.

[2DMention]

yeah - Amanda has a perfect body. Too bad she's a wreck up from the neck up.

I don't think she's too bad.

Glad to see Rob sent packing.

I predict a villian will probably win the game.

The heroes have a numbers disadvantage.

[pitfallharry219]

Okay episode tonight, but WOW at the preview for next week.

[zewone]

Really stupid move tonight.

[crunchb3rry]

I felt kinda bad for Coach. That cooz Sandra needs to get gone.

Stupid move. Russell gets rid of semi-trusted Coach because he wants to maintain that "girls alliance" smoke & mirrors, leaving a pissed-off Jeri probably more than willing to sway the easily swayed Danielle and Parvati and actually start a girls alliance. That probably won't happen though. Parvati wouldn't stick with it because she knows all the girls hate her.

[tcrash247]

I don't know how stupid of a move that was. Russell voted for Courtney (which garners Coach's jury vote), he kept that "all girls alliance" thing alive (which is apparently going to lead JT to giving Russell the hidden immunity idol) and he now has Courtney and Sandra in his corner because he'll say he only did that because he didn't want to turn on Coach but he's loyal to them two. The only bad thing about it is the Villians lost a strong player, but with a merge coming any day now, it won't matter much. Plus, I can see Coach flipping to JT/Rupert/Amanda no problem.

[DarkNessBear]

Good episode, glad to see the Villians suffering. And I'm very glad to see Ponderosa back! Yay.

[2DMention]

Pretty good episode. I was expecting a merge. Maybe next week. JT's move has to be the stupidest in Survivor history. If he would have seen Russel's season, he never would have done it.

[crunchb3rry]

I still think that guy with the shaggy hair that gave his idol to that creepy looking girl and got voted out by her was the stupidest move ever.

[powercreep]

...or James having two idols and getting voted out. But yeah, not very smart on JT's part.

[Rocko]

Pretty good episode. I was expecting a merge. Maybe next week. JT's move has to be the stupidest in Survivor history. If he would have seen Russel's season, he never would have done it.
This is why Russell has an advantage over everyone else in this game. No one knows what to expect. I'm sure they know he got to the end but they don't know how he played.

[DarkNessBear]

I don't get why nobody watched Russels season... It seems like that would be an important part of being a survivor player.

[crunchb3rry]

^ I'm pretty sure his season was aired as this one was filmed. They couldn't watch his season.

[DarkNessBear]

^ I'm pretty sure his season was aired as this one was filmed. They couldn't watch his season.
That's what I was thinking, but the winner ceremony is live and this had to be shot after because Russel mentions (and others) that he did not win the million. So it had to be filmed after last seasons winner announcement (which then means all the episodes were available). Even if it was filmed RIGHT after, they still had time to watch the episodes.

[Rocko]

It was shot only a few weeks after season 19 finished filming. It's in the same location since they were already all set up there. So Russell got less than a month off and no one could watch his season.

[Wet Ninja]

Survivor: Samoa (Russell's season) was filmed June 11 - July 19, 2009 and aired September 17 - December 20, 2009.

Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains was filmed August 9 - September 16, 2009.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivor:_Samoa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivor:_Heroes_vs._Villains

[DarkNessBear]

Wow. That is weird, so Russel didnt even know if he was going to win one season while starting a whole other season. That must have been weird... You can tell they edit it in a way so it seems like this took place after the airing of the last season. Wow, so nobody has a clue.

[packerfan10]

I think it might be the smartest move in history. As it looks like Russel is going to lie about having the idle. I think that if they merge next week they could try to pull a surprise on him next week.

[Javery]

I'm 99% positive that JT will be one of the first to go after the merge and Russell will be laughing about it the entire time. Russell is very quick to remove any perceived threats - JT is probably the best person left as far as winning challenges (and individual immunity). I'm sure Russell will try and vote him out at the first opportunity.

I do think it was a mistake to not get rid of Sandra though - she is a trouble maker and can only be trusted when you need her vote with her whole "as long as it's not me" strategy.

[pitfallharry219]

JT is one of my favorite Survivor players ever, but I seriously want to punch him in the face right now for being so ignorant.

[Rocko]

Spoilers from the Surviv-O-Meter that lists the entire outcome of the season:

I'm going to be so fucking pissed if that's correct, which it probably is, and Sandra and Parvati get to the final 3. I hate both of them so much.

[crunchb3rry]

Parvati is awesome. Her move tonight knocked Russell down a few pegs and assured the Heroes fall one by one.

[Javery]

Parvati is awesome.

Agreed. She is going to win this season - she is a GREAT player. I cannot believe she gave BOTH idols away and didn't keep one for herself.

[thisjustanother]

Amanda has to be an absolute idiot. She just went right away to parvati and told her the heroes voting order, and i mean, wtf is wrong with her. Sure Jt deserves to be voted out just for giving the villians an idol, but i mean good lord Amanda.

Next weeks should be pretty good, russell will be going after his own tribe for not tell him they had a second idol and that will be fun to watch and see how things are stacked. Might see some switchs of alliances.

[packerfan10]

I hope Parvati wins. That would be good.

[pitfallharry219]

Russell Hantz (http://www.tvguide.com/celebrities/russell-hantz/299819), a contestant on Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains (http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/survivor-heroes-vs-villains/299762) and a runner-up of Survivor: Samoa (http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/survivor-samoa/297643), was arrested on battery charges early Friday morning in Louisiana.

Hantz was arrested near a nightclub in Lafayette, La., after allegedly pushing a female victim, Lafayette Police Department spokesman Paul Mouton told TVGuide.com. He was arrested on charges of simple battery.
The 37-year-old is one of the "villains" still in contention to win the current season of Survivor now airing on CBShttp://www.tvguide.com/News/Survivor-Russell-Arrested-1017730.aspx

[Halo05]

Well he is a villain.

Russell's biggest problem in the game is that he takes things too personally. The preview made it look like he was furious at Parvati when aside from her making sure that the villains were safe, she didn't really do anything too bad. She certainly didn't do anything that was directly threatening to Russell. He needs to chill out for a couple episodes and mend fences with Sandra so they can continue to pick off heroes.

[2DMention]

It doesn't surprise me that he got busted. I have a feeling Sandra is going to flip to the Heroes side.

[tcrash247]

Finally watched the last 2 episodes. JT is so stupid, and I love it. Rupert is the only one that saw the truth, too bad nobody listens to that oaf. It was a good move on Parvati's part to give Sandra an idol because I think that locks her into an alliance with the villain girls. Things are looking a little grim for Russell on this next episode, I hope they don't all turn on him. What would be even better is if he flipped to the Heroes alliance, but I doubt anyone would trust him over there. We'll see...

[2DMention]

Well, that was sad to see Amanda go tonight. I was hoping it would be a tie or Pavarti would go, but nope.

If Russell would be playing old school Survivor w/o immunity idols, he'd never make it to the end.

[Rocko]

If Russell would be playing old school Survivor w/o immunity idols, he'd never make it to the end.
The game would be played entirely differently, though. You can't just take out such a huge part of the game and then judge performance as it is.

[crunchb3rry]

I'm glad Amanda is gone. Sorry, but she played this game 10x dumber than JT. One week she tells her nemesis that she's being targeted, this week she goes and tries to steal Danielle's clue like a fucking baby rather than let Danielle have the stupid thing and pretend to target her so she wastes it and opens a shot at Russell or Parvati.

The Heroes are pretty much on death row because of her. Oh, that and being fucking ass-ignorant retarded by voting out Stephanie.

[packerfan10]

Anyone catch this last night?

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1214/captureah.png

[DarkNessBear]

Omg fucking ass dumb whore Candice... I hate this show. Why in the world would she ally herself with Russel? "But but but he will take me to the final 3!" No he wont you idiot... gahhh. Now it's going to be next: Colby > Rupert > Candice > Sandra(?). With slight changes depending on who gets the immunity idol.

Candice was in a solid 4 with Rupert, Amanda and Colby. What the hell is she doing? SHES SO DUMB!! Almost as dumb as JT.

[Cantatus]

Candice made a classic Survivor mistake. Rather than thinking strategically, she thought personally. Her whole reason for getting rid of Amanda seemed boil down to, "She's been gunning for me since day one!" Sure, that may be true, but it doesn't mean you throw your lot in with the enemy unless that benefits you significantly. As it is, she went from being the (maybe) bottom of one alliance to the bottom of another.

If she wanted to increase her stock in the game, she should've made a move to shatter both alliances. She likely could've done that by getting rid of Russel's immunity idol and getting Parvati voted out, something she very well could've accomplished. Since the Hero alliance is only held together out of necessity and the Villain alliance is held together largely by Parvati, she really could've shook things up.

[Javery]

Anyone catch this last night?

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1214/captureah.png

She's just a pair of giant boobs - I honestly don't see anything else when she is on screen.

[tcrash247]

She's just a pair of giant boobs - I honestly don't see anything else when she is on screen.

^

[Ronzilla]

GREAT episode tonight. Candice What?!?!Danielle What?!?!

[crunchb3rry]

Jerri is missing out on a golden opportunity. She could have pulled Sandra and teamed up with Rupert & Colby. But the preview for next week shows Russell gets to the guys first. Jerri pissed away any shot at a million. With Jerri not playing at all, Sandra (with the lack of a Jerri/Sandra/Rupert/Colby alliance) will undoubtedly figure with Danielle gone and Rupert marked as untrustworthy, she can work on Parvati. Parvati and Sandra are probably going to be in the end. With Par winning it all again.

[Jesus_S_Preston]

Always nice to see Russell ensure that he'll never win.

[2DMention]

I'm not surprised to see Candice gone. For a doctor, she's pretty stupid jumping ship like that.

Sad to see Danielle's skimpy outfit and big boobs gone, but she became such a crybaby. Big surprise to see her go, she was tight in her 3some alliance.

I bet Parvarti will win this again. Russell just doesn't play a good enough social game to win. He's good at finding immunity idols and strategizing, but his social game is non-existant. He's too much of a bull in a china shop.

And what's with Sandra not looking for that immunity idol?

[crunchb3rry]

If Candice is a doctor, I want my prostrate examined.

[tcrash247]

Russell teaming with Rupert and Colby is a hella bad idea. Do you think anyone on the jury is going to vote for Russell? Hell no. This is going to be just like last season. If Russell is in the finals, he'll get no votes because the jury will all hate him. That's the problem with Survivor now, nobody votes for who played the game the best, they all act petty and vote for the person that didn't piss them off. Russell is kind of fucking up his game more and more every week but I still hope he makes it to the end. Even if he doesn't make it to the end, his jury comments in the finale will be probably be awesome. You have to give him credit though, he always goes after the big dogs and the strong alliances and breaks them up. I'm not sure if anyone else in Survivor could have done all that he's accomplished.

[crunchb3rry]

Yeah, I see a repeat of last season. Russell in the finals, tells the jury he deserves it because he is "the best," jury says "Yeah, but you're an asshole". and gives it to other person, Russell pisses/moans/pouts at the reunion show.

[DarkNessBear]

Omg, I was JUST about to stop watching after this episode if Colby or Rupert were voted off. THANK YOU for not ruining the show. And seriously I've watched about 95% of this Series and Candace has to be my most hated person. I don't like Russel, but he is damn good at playing. He will never win, but he's good. But Candace is SO ridiculous... all the sudden she teamed up with Fake Locke and wanted to kill everyone like she got possessed or something...

Crazy bitch. And Sandra is a dumbass to, why the hell did she vote for Rupert? Gahh...

[tcrash247]

I'm really surprised by this, I fully expected Sandra to go home with her hidden immunity idol. I don't think Russell has a chance in hell in winning. He got fucked last season and he'll get fucked this season. Parvati is going to win I believe.

[crunchb3rry]

They could have got rid of Russell so easy tonight. Sandra just needed to tell Jerri, Rupert and Colby she had the idol and was using it, Jerri flips votes and stays quiet thinking if they can't go after Sandra they'll cut her loose. Then they all just gang up on Russell.

[2DMention]

No surprise Rupert went home. I think Pavarti is going to win this, although Sandra might have a chance too. No way in hell is russell going to win. I'm just looking forward to this ending. I'm kind of getting sick of it. Too bad they had to spoil it on the cbs forums.

[2DMention]

Arrggga.. As of 7:30cst, CBS is down. It was down around 6:45pm. WHy does it have to do this when survivor is on?!

[crunchb3rry]

Lol. Three millionaires in the final three competing to win a million dollars.

[Rocko]

So not only do they shaft the best player, they also shaft the other person who played the game and vote for some useless sack of flesh.

[SeanAmI]

So not only do they shaft the best player, they also shaft the other person who played the game and vote for some useless sack of flesh.

It always ends up with them voting for who pissed them off the least, not who actually played the game. People cannot be objective.

[crunchb3rry]

Sandra won twice via throwaway votes. Best Survivor ever, my ass.

[powercreep]

^ I agree. Russell pissed off everyone in both of his seasons, BUT I think he played to the spirit of the game. He was agressive, always thinking, and had the ability to have everyone do what he wanted except the jury. Don't care what anyone says; Russell is champ 2x. The only thing that bothers me though is his attitude during the reunion shows. Both times he acts like a complete idiot. During the game - that's fine. But after the dust has settled have a little self respect my man and be gracious in defeat. You're wealthy, have a good lookin' wife; things could be worse.

[zewone]

I love this show, but the way the winner is chosen is so flawed it's ridiculous.

In my mind, Russel is a two time, back-to-back winner.

[crunchb3rry]

I think giving America a vote would fuck shit up. Big Brother did it quite well in season 1 but the show turned into shit in the past 3-4 years they've had America vote on stuff.

I think the show should have three tribes until a merge. Having two creates too strong a bond in one tribe. Whereas if there are three tribes, when they merge things get shaken up more. It's not just a majority picking off the smaller tribe. That creates too much of a disadvantage. People should have an equal opportunity to "survive", not to be shit outta luck because your tribe can't win challenges.

[Halo05]

I thought Russell made the stupidest decision ever in taking Parvati to the finals as opposed to Jerri. Apparently it wouldn't have made a difference.

Sandra sort of stepped up towards the end of the season but once again, the show boiled down to people being butt-hurt about getting outplayed, outwitted, etc. by Russell and not being able to put aside their feelings for the final vote.

If they ever put Coach on Survivor again, I'll skip the whole season. That little douche makes me want to stab my eardrums every time he opens his stupid mouth.

[Javery]

Coach needs his own sitcom. That dude is living in a dream world and it is hilarious.

I knew Russell had no chance of winning. I am surprised that Sandra won though and not Parvati. Parvati was the best player this season by a mile. Her social game was way better than Russell's and she dominated the challenges. She was also right that from Day 1 pretty much everyone was trying to get rid of her and they could never do it. She is the one who deserved to win. Russell is fun to watch but his flaws as a player really came through this season. Last season I thought he played a perfect game and the jury was being petty but this season I totally get why no one voted for him. Sandra also played a good game - it was clearly a mistake to get rid of Courtney when they had the choice. The thing I love about Sandra is that she plays as an independent and she has a mouth with no brain filter. It is amazing that she has won this game twice.

[powercreep]

I also never quite understood why Sandra wasn't ditched quite some time ago. Russell didn't need her, they didn't get along, and she was gunning for him the whole time. Wasn't his Russell-sense tingling about that? Also, when she had that immunity idol, why didn't he know? Russell is so freakin' smart about positioning people and blind-siding, but little things like this have cost him both games.

You're right, Halo, about peoples feelings being hurt. Rupert admitted openly about lying and conniving to get through the game, yet somehow HE is on a higher moral ground than Russell? Please. I liked ol' Rupe on the past shows, but this season made me realize he's a grandstanding douche who's gotten a little too big for his britches. It's a game that requires lies and deceit. Everyone does it. Apparently Russell does it the wrong way according to two different juries.

[fatherofcaitlyn]

Russell could have taken Emperor Palpatine and Skynet to the final three and still lost.

Apparently, the cut worm doesn't forgive the plow.

[lordopus99]

Coach needs his own sitcom. That dude is living in a dream world and it is hilarious.

I knew Russell had no chance of winning. I am surprised that Sandra won though and not Parvati. Parvati was the best player this season by a mile. Her social game was way better than Russell's and she dominated the challenges. She was also right that from Day 1 pretty much everyone was trying to get rid of her and they could never do it. She is the one who deserved to win. Russell is fun to watch but his flaws as a player really came through this season. Last season I thought he played a perfect game and the jury was being petty but this season I totally get why no one voted for him. Sandra also played a good game - it was clearly a mistake to get rid of Courtney when they had the choice. The thing I love about Sandra is that she plays as an independent and she has a mouth with no brain filter. It is amazing that she has won this game twice.

No way. Russell was the best player easily on this season as well as last season. He took an alliance of 3 and turned the tide on an alliance of 6 by convincing Tyson to switch his vote and using the idol (without this move, Boston Rob alliance easily goes into merge). In addition upon merge, he made it seemed like a Black Widow alliance and got an idol from it to vote out the strongest Hero in JT (without this, Jerri would have been voted out). He had more social play in that he was able to convince a bunch of people (that hated him) to blindside his own alliance in Danielle (granted this ended up being one of his worst moves in the game besides personally attacking Rupert).

The flaw in Survivor is that about every season the best player gets screwed out of the million for the person who coasted i.e. never made a move (for example, Natalie, Colby, Sandra, etc). Let's be for real... Sandra did nothing but outlast her alliance. The only smart move she made was not banding together with the Heroes to vote out Parvati at the merge. To me, that is not a million dollar thing. Even with a throw away vote, at least Parvati played by banding with the Russell, winning challenges, and using the 2 idols at merge.

After watching the reunion, I also agree he just needed to just shut up and be apologetic/blame the game on his actions for personal attacks. He is just way overbearing.

[tcrash247]

I just watched it. I knew Russell was going to boned again. The jury cannot put aside their pettiness to vote for the person that outlasted/outwitted/outplayed them. The reason the first bunch of Survivors were so good is because they gave the million to the players that deserved it. Now it comes down to who didn't piss me off. How does everyone on Survivor hate Russell but America loves him? What does that tell you? These people are morons.

The only thing I agree with the jury is the way Russell conducted himself somewhat. He didn't have to be a humongous asshole and maybe he should have stated some sort of lamentation for his actions. I think that would have garnered him a vote or two. At some point you need to stop speaking with your heart and say what people want to hear. He had no problem lying during the game, but he was straight up honest during the jury vote. You think after last season he would have realized that.

In the end, Russell won twice in a row in my eyes and both juries were fucking retards minus John and Shambo.

[Jesus_S_Preston]

God I love seeing that troll lose, and I loved his little bitchfit afterwards. Good riddance.

[crunchb3rry]

I was on Team Russell the first time he played. But this second time the entire season revolved around him. About halfway through I stopped supporting the guy. And lo and behold, he acts like a sniveling little shit at the aftershow...again. He pulled the same shit on the early show but Julie Chen wasn't having it anymore than Jeff did.

So glad the next season will be fresh players again. I just hope some fucktard doesn't copy Russell and take away the fun again. It's just not fun to watch when they edit episodes to just focus on one player or the chaos he creates.

[pitfallharry219]

CBS just released the fall schedule, and they've moved Survivor to Wednesdays at 8.

[Javery]

CBS just released the fall schedule, and they've moved Survivor to Wednesdays at 8.

Wow - really? I think that's good since Thursdays are so crowded. I had to pass on Bones this season because of FlashForward and Survivor. FF got canceled though. I've got to start getting the Bones episodes to watch this summer.

[lordopus99]

CBS just released the fall schedule, and they've moved Survivor to Wednesdays at 8.

I am glad. Now I might be able to watch Community.

[2DMention]

CBS just released the fall schedule, and they've moved Survivor to Wednesdays at 8.

That's gonna be fucked up watching it then instead of the usual Thurs.

[Jesus_S_Preston]

I am glad. Now I might be able to watch Community.

Enjoy it while you can, they also put Big Bang Theory opposite of Community. Goooodbye ratings.