The_Continental's TC #5. win a free sealed MvC2 (xbox) KAW WINS IT!(again)

[The_Continental]

Winners thus far:

Cleaver - RE: Dead Aim (round 1)
Stealthy Seal - NOLF 2 (round 2)
Zewone - NOLF 2 (round 2)
Kaw - Roadkill and Enclave (Round 3)
Kaw - Bombastic (Round 4)
Kaw - Marvel vs. Capcom 2 xbox (round 5)

The fifth round of free game trivia is here. The first person to post a full correct answer will win a sealed copy of MvC 2 for the xbox.

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Question:

What is the literary connection between South African white racists and a 20th century Northern States reporter?

Remember - a full answer will include all names, references, etc...

Good luck.

[wubb]

This one seems tough

[sblymnlcrymnl]

Too lazy, sorry.

[user]

That would be Joseph Lelyveld, former exec. ed. of the New York Times.
He was awarded the Pulitzer in '86 for his book about apartheid, Move Your Shadow.

[The_Continental]

Dude, Lelyveld was an exec, not a reporter. No dice.

also, a person is not a "literary connection" - pretty good try though.

That would be Joseph Lelyveld, former exec. ed. of the New York Times.
He was awarded the Pulitzer in '86 for his book about apartheid, Move Your Shadow.

[user]

alright then, you probably want the fictional work...Mine Boy by Peter Abrahams?

[Noodle Pirate!]

how about this?

http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/printed-books/my-traitors-heart-rian-malan/244730/

all references are in the text on that page cuz im too lazy to type it out in case its wrong lol.

[The_Continental]

What would the connection be there?

alright then, you probably want the fictional work...Mine Boy by Peter Abrahams?

[The_Continental]

Not correct, but it seems like an interesting book.

how about this?

http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/printed-books/my-traitors-heart-rian-malan/244730/

all references are in the text on that page cuz im too lazy to type it out in case its wrong lol.

[user]

Peter Abrahams is a South African born journalist who wrote one of the first novels on apartheid (Mine Boy).

He shares the same name with a popular American novelist [Peter Abrahams] who writes crime thrillers (Hard Rain, Lights Out, The Fan etc.). While I don't think he's ever been a reporter, he lives in Massachusetts.

The Fan was made into a movie, starring Wesley Snipes, who also starred in 2011's action blockbuster Blade 4: The Curse of Mandela's Mandible, in which a legion of Bantu vampires terrorize white Johannesburg *CLUCK-CLUCK-CHOMP*...

(...or maybe I've been playing too much Bloodrayne 2 :P)

[The_Continental]

apparently, the Blade franchise is going to continue without Snipes, and focus only on Hannibal King and Abigail Whistler.

go figure.

Peter Abrahams is a South African born journalist who wrote one of the first novels on apartheid (Mine Boy).

He shares the same name with a popular American novelist [Peter Abrahams] who writes crime thrillers (Hard Rain, Lights Out, The Fan etc.). While I don't think he's ever been a reporter, he lives in Massachusetts.

The Fan was made into a movie, starring Wesley Snipes, who also starred in 2011's action blockbuster Blade 4: The Curse of Mandela's Mandible, in which a legion of Bantu vampires terrorize white Johannesburg *CLUCK-CLUCK-CHOMP*...

(...or maybe I've been playing too much Bloodrayne 2 :P)

[The_Continental]

no more guesses?

[SteveMcQ]

Whatever the right post is, ditto for me. Only think of me saying it first.

[user]

I will try again since there's little interest in this one, even though this is far too tenuous a connection to be what you're looking for:

Mumia Abu-Jamal was a well known Philadelphia journalist and radio reporter in the 70's, speaking out on police brutality & racism. He won the Peabody award and was elected president of the NABJ (National Association of Black Journalists) Philadelphia chapter. He shot a cop in '81, and has been weaseling out of electrocution since the 90's.

He was a prominent member of the Black Panther Party, as was Eldridge Cleaver, another non-militant black activist and author of the famous book of essays, Soul on Ice.

Carl Upchurch, a Philadelphia ghetto native who went on to lead the first national gang summit in Kansas, turned his life around in prison by reading the gamut of "angry black man" books (heavily influenced by Eldridge's Soul on Ice and Frederick Douglas's bio). He received his GED while incarcerated, then attended Earlham College via scholarship once released. It was there that Upchurch protested the school's funding by multi-national corporations that profited from apartheid, eventually getting Earlham's board of directors to adjust their corporate funding policy.

so that would be:
Philadelphia to Abu-Jamal to Black Panthers to Cleaver to Soul on Ice to Upchurch to Earlham to apartheid

(I admit, it's awfully weak, but I'm having a hard time coming up with anything else on my own without a clue)

[Trakan]

Where's Kaw? He's gonna come in here and kick all our asses. :P

[The_Continental]

Wow. That is a great answer. But that is a literal connection - not a literary connection.

As for a hint - all I can say is that there is a very strong clue in the question itself. Just like the last question, this is one you can't find on the Internet - but you'll be able to verify it there.

The ante has been upped to include Backyard Wrestling (PS2).

Also, Mumia Abu-Jamal is a motherfuc ker.

I will try again since there's little interest in this one, even though this is far too tenuous a connection to be what you're looking for:

Mumia Abu-Jamal was a well known Philadelphia journalist and radio reporter in the 70's, speaking out on police brutality & racism. He won the Peabody award and was elected president of the NABJ (National Association of Black Journalists) Philadelphia chapter. He shot a cop in '81, and has been weaseling out of electrocution since the 90's.

He was a prominent member of the Black Panther Party, as was Eldridge Cleaver, another non-militant black activist and author of the famous book of essays, Soul on Ice.

Carl Upchurch, a Philadelphia ghetto native who went on to lead the first national gang summit in Kansas, turned his life around in prison by reading the gamut of "angry black man" books (heavily influenced by Eldridge's Soul on Ice and Frederick Douglas's bio). He received his GED while incarcerated, then attended Earlham College via scholarship once released. It was there that Upchurch protested the school's funding by multi-national corporations that profited from apartheid, eventually getting Earlham's board of directors to adjust their corporate funding policy.

so that would be:
Philadelphia to Abu-Jamal to Black Panthers to Cleaver to Soul on Ice to Upchurch to Earlham to apartheid

(I admit, it's awfully weak, but I'm having a hard time coming up with anything else on my own without a clue)

[user]

I believe the reporter you're looking for is Samuel Clemens, better known under his literary/comedic nom de plume, Mark Twain.

n.s. While he did reside in NYC for much of his life (eventually being buried at Woodlawn alongisde Livy and his kids), aside from his monthy column for Galaxy (the NY lit. journal), most of his reporting was for the Virginia City Territorial Enterprise and the San Francisco Call, neither of which are related to the sixteen classic "northern states" east of the MS river: CT, IL, IN, MA, ME, MI, MN, NH, NJ, NY, PN, OH, PN, RI, VT, and WI.

(blah, blah, blah...I'll stop whining and get on with my guess.)

Now some of the greatest books I've ever read are on the banned books list, which are about a hundred or so titles certain libraries (most often those in public & religious schools) refuse to carry. Two of Twain's more prominent works will be on there until America falls...

The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
The Adventures of Tom Sawyer

...both because they include the word "n-i-g-g-e-r."
(n.b. Cheapy, your swear filter is cute, but censorship sucks ass. Besides, Night Trap is infinitely more revolting than the "n" word.)

One other notable book on that list is Kaffir Boy, the autobiography of tennis player, Mark Mathabane. "Kaffir" (two F's, not to be confused with the yogurt like beverage or the Arabic "kafir," meaning "denier/infidel") is the South African counterpart to North America's "n-i-g-g-e-r." It was used by white Afrikaner settlers as a derogatory term for native Africans (still used to this day under bated breath, even making the transition to pop culture zeitgeist via Kwaito, South African hip-hop music). Mathabane's Kaffir Boy was also placed on the banned books list because it included a racial slur in its title.

If that's not it, I give up.

[user]

to prevent ninjazation if I'm right, I'll add that Clemens sporadically voiced his negative opinions on apartheid via his sagacious yet cantakerous wit; and, [Johannes] Mathabane grew up in Alexandra, a black ghetto of Johannesburg, under this racist regime, detailing his experiences in Kaffir Boy.

"Where prejudice exists it always discolors our thoughts."
- Mark Twain

[The_Continental]

user,

I need to award you something out of pure effort - you've been working your ass off on this and deserve something.

That said, I suppose I need to drop another clue - by saying "literary connection," I am referring to a connection between those in literature, not those who create literature. That is - characters.

Now I think I've given too much away. Also the 2 clues you mentioned at the beginning of your post were right on the money.

You know, when I first read this question I kept thinking "Northern States" was the clue since you capitalized it (or you could have been referring to Canada, Australia, Africa, the UK, et. al.)...

...but I believe the 20th (I am so daft!) century reporter you're looking for is Samuel Clemens, better known under his literary/comedic nom de plume, Mark Twain.

n.s. While he did reside in NYC for much of his life (eventually being buried at Woodlawn alongisde Livy and his kids), aside from his monthy column for Galaxy (the NY lit. journal), most of his reporting was for the Virginia City Territorial Enterprise and the San Francisco Call, neither of which are related to the sixteen classic "northern states" east of the MS river: CT, IL, IN, MA, ME, MI, MN, NH, NJ, NY, PN, OH, PN, RI, VT, and WI.

(blah, blah, blah...I'll stop whining and get on with my guess.)

Now some of the greatest books I've ever read are on the banned books list, which are about a hundred or so titles certain libraries (most often those in public & religious schools) refuse to carry. Two of Twain's more prominent works will be on there until America falls...

The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
The Adventures of Tom Sawyer

...both because they include the word "n-i-g-g-e-r."
(n.b. Cheapy, your swear filter is cute, but censorship sucks ass. Besides, Night Trap is infinitely more revolting than the "n" word.)

One other notable book on that list is Kaffir Boy, the autobiography of tennis player, Mark Mathabane. "Kaffir" (two F's, not to be confused with the yogurt like beverage or the Arabic "kafir," meaning "denier/infidel") is the South African counterpart to North America's "n-i-g-g-e-r." It was used by white Afrikaner settlers as a derogatory term for native Africans (still used to this day under bated breath, even making the transition to pop culture zeitgeist via Kwaito, South African hip-hop music). Mathabane's Kaffir Boy was also placed on the banned books list because it included a racial slur in its title.

If that's not it, I give up.

[user]

damn, I was afraid of that...oh well, it was fun trying!

something, eh?

well, seeing as how I don't own a PS2, and you're probably saving MvsC2 & DOA:VB for harder contests (only two Xbox games on your list that I don't own), I have been trying mighty hard to get my hands on a copy of Splinter Cell for the cube (all the stores around me have awful GCN selections). I have it for the GBA & Xbox, but was I wondering how well the PDA interactivity worked (plus there are exclusive GBA missions you can ONLY unlock by linking the two up).

Sadly I don't have Contra: Shattered Soldier or Tales of Symphonia to trade with you. I know it's not my place to ask, but maybe you could find it in your heart to knock a few $$ off the price of SC for a fellow cheap ass?

Thanks for the words of encouragement, but I'm going out of town soon, and I don't see this lasting more than a few posts.

Maybe I'll catch you on the flipside in tC's TC #6 :)

[cleaver]

Over the Rainbow by Craig Lock is a collection of vignettes about South Africa written from the perspective of a 20th century reporter.

[The_Continental]

look two posts ago.

Over the Rainbow by Craig Lock is a collection of vignettes about South Africa written from the perspective of a 20th century reporter.

[The_Continental]

Prize has been changed to Splinter Cell on the Cube to entice User to keep participating.

[big_squirtle]

Continental I know this is a little off topic, but you should know your trivia contests are really appreciated & generous. It is people like you that make CAG a real community. I have no clu WTF the answer to this question is, but I just wanted to say that.
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Please dont hug me

[The_Continental]

Thanks for your words Squirtle,

You give me a warm fuzzy. I guarantee however, that I've gotten a lot more from this community than I could ever return with these contests.

Continental I know this is a little off topic, but you should know your trivia contests are really appreciated & generous. It is people like you that make CAG a real community. I have no clu WTF the answer to this question is, but I just wanted to say that.
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Please dont hug me

[yeahokthenfu]

Will Farrel in Anchorman
O wait he wasnt a South African White Racist
He was a South Californian White Sexist
My bad

[yeahokthenfu]

No idea man, prolly has something to do with one of Mark Twains novels relating to a reporter, but Im stumped give us another question

[Admiral Ackbar]

Now, I thought I had an answer before you said, "those in literature."

George Samuel Schuyler was a reporter and rhode island native who lived from 1895 to 1977. He wrote Black No More which is a satire about a new procedure that can turn black men white. His Novel, Ethiopian Stories, contains two Novellas that concern "Ethiopia's struggle in the 1930s to liberate itself from Italian rule." One of the stories, "The Ethiopean Murder Msytery," does involve a fictional reporter in Harlem who tries to prove that a wealthy heiress did not murder an Ethiopian diplomat.

I believe that fits the bill.

[The_Continental]

Admiral, Ethiopia is nowhere near South Africa. Also, as I said in my earlier post, although authors are clearly involved - characters are much more important to the answer for this question.

Now, I thought I had an answer before you said, "those in literature."

George Samuel Schuyler was a reporter and rhode island native who lived from 1895 to 1977. He wrote Black No More which is a satire about a new procedure that can turn black men white. His Novel, Ethiopian Stories, contains two Novellas that concern "Ethiopia's struggle in the 1930s to liberate itself from Italian rule." One of the stories, "The Ethiopean Murder Msytery," does involve a fictional reporter in Harlem who tries to prove that a wealthy heiress did not murder an Ethiopian diplomat.

I believe that fits the bill.

[Admiral Ackbar]

Admiral, Ethiopia is nowhere near South Africa. Also, as I said in my earlier post, although authors are clearly involved - characters are much more important to the answer for this question.

Now, I thought I had an answer before you said, "those in literature."

George Samuel Schuyler was a reporter and rhode island native who lived from 1895 to 1977. He wrote Black No More which is a satire about a new procedure that can turn black men white. His Novel, Ethiopian Stories, contains two Novellas that concern "Ethiopia's struggle in the 1930s to liberate itself from Italian rule." One of the stories, "The Ethiopean Murder Msytery," does involve a fictional reporter in Harlem who tries to prove that a wealthy heiress did not murder an Ethiopian diplomat.

I believe that fits the bill.

Heh. Ethiopia is in Africa and that was my line of thinking. You actually want it based in the nation opf South Africa.

[The_Continental]

Yes sir.

Admiral, Ethiopia is nowhere near South Africa. Also, as I said in my earlier post, although authors are clearly involved - characters are much more important to the answer for this question.

Now, I thought I had an answer before you said, "those in literature."

George Samuel Schuyler was a reporter and rhode island native who lived from 1895 to 1977. He wrote Black No More which is a satire about a new procedure that can turn black men white. His Novel, Ethiopian Stories, contains two Novellas that concern "Ethiopia's struggle in the 1930s to liberate itself from Italian rule." One of the stories, "The Ethiopean Murder Msytery," does involve a fictional reporter in Harlem who tries to prove that a wealthy heiress did not murder an Ethiopian diplomat.

I believe that fits the bill.

Heh. Ethiopia is in Africa and that was my line of thinking. You actually want it based in the nation opf South Africa.

[Admiral Ackbar]

And it has to be fiction? Because there are a ton of non fiction works that fit your bill.

[The_Continental]

can't answer that question directly, but try me.

And it has to be fiction? Because there are a ton of non fiction works that fit your bill.

[Admiral Ackbar]

For example Joseph Lelyveld is a reporter for the New York Times that won a Pulitzer for his book Move Your Shadow: South Africa, Black and White. He spent several years in South Africa as a correspondent recording his observations.

[OiBoy]

My first thought was Rian Malan, until I remembered that he was out in LA as a rock&roll reporter. So not the right answer.

Still, his book 'My Traitor's Heart' is an excellent read for anyone looking to study apartheid in South Africa.

[Admiral Ackbar]

There's the old reporters joke that Americans don't want to hear about Africa let alone read about it.

It's also used for South America. And if you look at how international news covers these continents it's mostly true.

[jdevlin7756]

Alan Paton wrote (among many books) Cry, The Beloved Country, an amazing book concerning the apartheid in South Africa. This book was the basis for a Broadway piece adapted by (James) Maxwell Anderson, a man noted for many things among which was his work as reporter for the New Republic, the Evening Globe, and the Morning World, all based in New York.

Alan Stewart Paton (11th January 1903 - 12th April 1988), South African author and founder in 1953 of the South African Liberal Party, noted for his opposition to the Apartheid system. Among his works are Debbie Go Home (1961), Tales from a Troubled Land (1965) (short story collections), Cry, The Beloved Country (1948) and Too Late the Phalarope (1953). Cry, The Beloved Country was filmed twice (1951, 1995), and was the basis for the Broadway piece Lost in the Stars (adaptation by Maxwell Anderson, music by Kurt Weill).

(James) Maxwell Anderson (15 December 1888 - 28 February 1959) was a Pulitzer Prize-winning playwright, author, poet, reporter and lyricist, and a founding member of The Playwrights' Company (which included, at various times, Maxwell Anderson, S.N. Behrman, Elmer Rice, Robert E. Sherwood, Sidney Howard, Roger L. Stevens, John F. Wharton, and Kurt Weill), and produced many notable plays of the 20th century.

[eljedi13]

Mark Twain wrote the travel book "Following the Equator" which was published in 1897. In the book he makes repeated negative references to Cecil Rhodes, a British industrialist who amassed great power and wealth in South Africa. Cecil Rhodes was also a racist who at first came to South Africa as an adventurer and diamond-hunter. He gained great political power and his actions ultimately led to the Boer War in the Transvaal region. The excerpt from "Following the Equator" is called 'Cecil Rhodes' shark and his First Fortune'.

Hopefully that comes close...

[The_Continental]

Remember - literary connection - not literal connection.

[cleaver]

In Lethal Weapon 2, Mel Gibson plays Marty Riggs and takes out a bunch of South African racists. In The Year of Living Dangerously, Mel plays Guy Hamilton, a 20th century journalist. Worth a shot...

[cleaver]

In Smokescreen by Dick Francis the main character goes to South Africa to uncover some conspiracy involving racists and a TV reporter named Katya is injured in some accident meant for him.

[epobirs]

Clemens is generally regarded as a 19th Century writer, with the great majority of his work and life in that century. Apartheid in the South African sense of a declared policy didn't exist in his lifetime. The earliest referenced use of the term was in 1917, seven years after Clemens' death, and did not come into common use until the 1948 victory of the National Party.

[The_Continental]

We're talkin' books here - not movies.

In Lethal Weapon 2, Mel Gibson plays Marty Riggs and takes out a bunch of South African racists. In The Year of Living Dangerously, Mel plays Guy Hamilton, a 20th century journalist. Worth a shot...

[The_Continental]

Epobirs is one smart fella.

Remember - every single part of the question is important in some way.

It's starting to look like this is the MvC 2 question. If no one gets it by later on this weekend, the prize ante may actually be upped to something worthwhile.

Clemens is generally regarded as a 19th Century writer, with the great majority of his work and life in that century. Apartheid in the South African sense of a declared policy didn't exist in his lifetime. The earliest referenced use of the term was in 1917, seven years after Clemens' death, and did not come into common use until the 1948 victory of the National Party.

[greendj27]

For some reason I have a feeling the clue might have something to do with Mandela or the president who preceded him. I might be way off base, but I am goign to see what I can find on this.

[The_Continental]

The prize for this question has officially been upped to MvC 2 for the xbox. That game will remain the prize until about 9:00pm EST - when I come to my senses.

[cleaver]

South African Dispatches by Donald Woods is told from the point of view of a white journalist whose criticisms of the apartheid policy grew markedly more severe up to the time of Biko's, a black leader, death at the hands of white racists. [/fingers crossed]

[WeaponX2099]

Okay then here we go:

Wickliffe Draper founder of Pioneer Fund who's main idea was Blacks were inferior funded many different programs that stated his racist beliefs. Wickliffe Draper permitted one of the original house organs of The Liberty Lobby, called American Mercury, to be published using his funding at 250 West 57th Street in New York City as the editorial offices during the early 1960's and also financed Frank C. Hanighen's reactionary publication called Human Events from Hanighen's Georgetown townhouse at 4745 Reservoir Road, Washington, D.C. during the period from 1944-1964, when Hanighen died.

Or it could be the racists bastards like Ben Klassen .of the Church of the Creator.

You just me if i'm on the right path please?

[user]

I don't think he's in the habit of giving nods, Logan...in fact I'm starting to enjoy how elusive our quizmaster is with his replies :)

while I'm stumped, T_C, here's another amusing connection I thought of while flipping through my DVD collection last night. I'm pretty sure this isn't what you're looking for, but it's a nice bit of trivia that fits the question...

Bob Woodward & Carl Bernstein are the Pullitzer Prize winning Washington Post reporters who collaborated on the book All the President's Men, a fictionalized account of the Watergate scandal. After the release of the movie version featuring Robert Redford & Dustin Hoffman (respectively), many people referred to the reporters as the singular "Woodstein" (which would be a 20th century reporter).

now a lesser known fact about the film is that the Publications Control Board of South Africa nearly banned it. they demanded dozens of bizarre cuts be made before it could be approved for wide release. this really pissed Redford off, and he supposedly threatened the SA government with a Hollywood boycott of ALL South African theaters for films made by American directors/producers. the movie ended up being released, unedited...

This was 1976; and, as we know now, the South African apartheid government was deep in the midst of its information scandal (SA equivalent to Watergate), the result of which caused Prime Minister John Vorster to resign in '78, being replaced by Botha, the Chief of Army. Regarding the censures, SA's apartheid regime didn't want to risk the public seeing the movie uncut and go on to investigate the administration in their own country, thus exposing the corruption amidst Department of Information (which is precisely what happened).

anyway, goodluck to everyone else, and kudos to whomever solves this puppy...hope you manage to get it before 9PM tonight!

[The_Continental]

The coolest thing about this question is that I'm learning all kinds of stuff about Africa's political history that I never knew before. It's very cool. Although I thought this would be an easy one, it's starting to seem that this is the toughest one I've asked yet.

I'll say it again though, that every part of the question is important in some way, and that there is only one answer that fully addresses each part of the question.

Another hint is that the answer to this question is very similar in structure to my previous questions - y'know - all these different people, what ties them together?

Remember, every part of the question is important, right down to the grammar.

I don't think he's in the habit of giving nods, Logan...in fact I'm starting to enjoy how elusive our quizmaster is with his replies :)

while I'm stumped, T_C, here's another amusing connection I thought of while flipping through my DVD collection last night. I'm pretty sure this isn't what you're looking for, but it's a nice bit of trivia that fits the question...

Bob Woodward & Carl Bernstein are the Pullitzer Prize winning Washington Post reporters who collaborated on the book All the President's Men, a fictionalized account of the Watergate scandal. After the release of the movie version featuring Robert Redford & Dustin Hoffman (respectively), many people referred to the reporters as the singular "Woodstein" (which would be a 20th century reporter).

now a lesser known fact about the film is that the Publications Control Board of South Africa nearly banned it. they demanded dozens of bizarre cuts be made before it could be approved for wide release. this really pissed Redford off, and he supposedly threatened the SA government with a Hollywood boycott of ALL South African theaters for films made by American directors/producers. the movie ended up being released, unedited...

This was 1976; and, as we know now, the South African apartheid government was deep in the midst of its information scandal (SA equivalent to Watergate), the result of which caused Prime Minister John Vorster to resign in '78, being replaced by Botha, the Chief of Army. Regarding the censures, SA's apartheid regime didn't want to risk the public seeing the movie uncut and go on to investigate the administration in their own country, thus exposing the corruption amidst Department of Information (which is precisely what happened).

anyway, goodluck to everyone else, and kudos to whomever solves this puppy...hope you manage to get it before 9PM tonight!

[Backlash]

Remember, every part of the question is important, right down to the grammar.

Does that mean there is significance to the phrase "South African white racists" instead of saying "white South African racists?" Just thinking out load for everyone's benefit...

[kaw]

Alex Haley, born in Ithaca, NY became a reporter, then assistant editor, and then editor for the Coast Guard publication "Helmsman".

Alex Haley is best known for writing the Novel "Roots", but also helped write the Authobigraphy of Malcolm X, which became a movement standard of the Black Panther party.

[deathcabforcutie]

haha your trivia even has members looking to other boards for help...

http://forum.teamxbox.com/archive/index.php/t-301236.html

[chickenhawk]

haha your trivia even has members looking to other boards for help...

http://forum.teamxbox.com/archive/index.php/t-301236.html

Yeah, I saw that too when trying to search for the answer (although I know The_Continental said it wasn't on the internet).

[cleaver]

Neither racist South Africans or 20th century reporters from Northern States have ever been in my kitchen.

[The_Continental]

something I said in an earlier post - "That said, I suppose I need to drop another clue - by saying "literary connection," I am referring to a connection between those in literature, not those who create literature. That is - characters. "

Alex Haley, born in Ithaca, NY became a reporter, then assistant editor, and then editor for the Coast Guard publication "Helmsman".

Alex Haley is best known for writing the Novel "Roots", but also helped write the Authobigraphy of Malcolm X, which became a movement standard of the Black Panther party.

[The_Continental]

Could be.


Remember, every part of the question is important, right down to the grammar.

Does that mean there is significance to the phrase "South African white racists" instead of saying "white South African racists?" Just thinking out load for everyone's benefit...

[The_Continental]

To clarify the question on that post - I'll do it by example.

"literary connection" = "The Legend of Hell House" (Matheson) and "The Haunting" (Jackson) both involve a team of investigators that spend a period of time in a haunted house.

Does that help?

Also, this question is designed so that once someone posts the correct answer, everyone will be able to verify it. Looking it up specifically however, should prove very difficult.

haha your trivia even has members looking to other boards for help...

http://forum.teamxbox.com/archive/index.php/t-301236.html

[The_Continental]

btw, my first 2 years of High School were in ithaca.

edit- Oh, wait, you and I have already had this converastion Kaw.

Alex Haley, born in Ithaca, NY became a reporter, then assistant editor, and then editor for the Coast Guard publication "Helmsman".

Alex Haley is best known for writing the Novel "Roots", but also helped write the Authobigraphy of Malcolm X, which became a movement standard of the Black Panther party.

[Backlash]

bump

[The_Continental]

Thanks for the bump.

MvC 2 is still up for grabs in this contest. This should be easy for people that read a lot of fiction.

[alongx]

Thanks for the bump.

MvC 2 is still up for grabs in this contest. This should be easy for people that read a lot of fiction.

Yeah, extremely easy. Or extremely tough, one or the other.

[The_Continental]

</sarcasm>

[Backlash]

I read a lot of fiction, just not the right books, apparently.

[The_Continental]

Is it serious hint dropping time?

[Backlash]

I have one lead (a famous book dealing with racism in South Africa) but I haven't had time to follow up on it :(

[The_Continental]

The book you'll need deals with South African white racists, but only in part - the rest of the book deals with something else entirely.

[The_Continental]

The following is from a pm conversation with Backlash - I think everyone can benefit from it:

Ahhhh - but the Northern States of are Europe Sweden, Denmark, and Norway, but The Sun Also Rises takes place in Paris.

You are however, on the right track as far as the structure of the answer. The answer is exactly like that.

"Northern States" refers to America.

You mind if I post this to the thread?

The Power of One is about racism in South Africa, and the main character is a boxer. In The Sun Also Rises, the main character is a journalist (a US ex-pat living in Europe, but I have heard the northern half of Europe referred to as the Northern states) and also a boxer. Also, Hemingway was an avid boxer. So, the main character as a boxer is the literary tie.

It's not what I'm looking for, but what did you have in mind for how those books address the question?

Remember, every single part of the question is important.

***Removed at the request of Backlash***

[Reality's Fringe]

I read a few books about Africa in Ap English once....most boring crap ever. Poisonwood Bible and HEart Of Darkness. I swear I wanted to die during the whole lesson plan. This doesn't have anyhting to do with trivia....but at least you know to avoid those books.

[Backlash]

I have never heard of Poisonwood Bible, but Heart of Darkness isn't totally without merit. It was ok, but is also the basis for Apocalypse Now (which I hated, but most people like).

[The_Continental]

bump - still hot!

[Mr. Anderson]

I wish I knew how to read.

[The_Continental]

Major hint:

Northern States is key.

[The_Continental]

Just givin' this bad boy a little bump. I didn't realize this question would be so freakin' tough.

Think Sci-fi.

[kaw]

The literary connection to me looks to be alternate-reality books by Harry Turtledove.

In "The Guns of the South" South African racist time-travelers sell guns to General Lee of the Southern States to turn the tide of the Civil War.

In another Turtledove book "How Few Remain", thanks to the efforts of journalists like Northern States journalist Samuel Clemens, the nation witnessed the clash of human dreams and passions. In 1862, the Confederacy won the War of the Rebellion (not by interference of time travelers, as in Turtledove's Guns of the South, but by their own skillful military and diplomatic efforts). The defeated North has stewed for nearly 20 years. In this alternate history, the South exercises an opportunity to purchase Sonora and Chihuahua from the bankrupt Mexican Empire, having already wrested Cuba from Spain. James G. Blaine, now president of the United States, arrogantly seizes upon this pretext and invades with the aim of reunification. Lincoln has become an outcast of the Republican Party and preaches socialism while Custer is a frustrated and embittered colonel on the frontier, Samuel Clemens a fiery Northern States newspaper editor in San Francisco, and Rosecrans the inadequate head of the Union Army.

The literary connection are the Harry Turtledove books titled, "The Guns of the South" (Fantastic Civil War series) and "How Few Remain" (Great War series), both of which dealt with an alternate history of the Civil War.

Please be right ... [-o< ... Please be right.

[The_Continental]

Oh Oh OH! half-right!

"Guns of the South" by Turtledove is, in fact, the "white south African racists" reference. And, yes, they did travel back in time to change the outcome of the civil war.

"How Few Remain" is not the other book however. The book required for the answer is very similar to GOTS - that is, the literary connection is much more concise. The only clue I can offer in that regard is that Clemens is a northern states reporter, not a Northern States reporter. I'll leave it at that.

but you've left me with an interesting problem. You've done most of the legwork for this question, and I'd hate for someone to steal the prize out from under you. Good luck to all I guess.


The literary connection to me looks to be alternate-reality books by Harry Turtledove.

In "The Guns of the South" South African racist time-travelers sell guns to General Lee of the Southern States to turn the tide of the Civil War.

In another Turtledove book "How Few Remain", thanks to the efforts of journalists like Northern States journalist Samuel Clemens, the nation witnessed the clash of human dreams and passions. In 1862, the Confederacy won the War of the Rebellion (not by interference of time travelers, as in Turtledove's Guns of the South, but by their own skillful military and diplomatic efforts). The defeated North has stewed for nearly 20 years. In this alternate history, the South exercises an opportunity to purchase Sonora and Chihuahua from the bankrupt Mexican Empire, having already wrested Cuba from Spain. James G. Blaine, now president of the United States, arrogantly seizes upon this pretext and invades with the aim of reunification. Lincoln has become an outcast of the Republican Party and preaches socialism while Custer is a frustrated and embittered colonel on the frontier, Samuel Clemens a fiery Northern States newspaper editor in San Francisco, and Rosecrans the inadequate head of the Union Army.

The literary connection are the Harry Turtledove books titled, "The Guns of the South" (Fantastic Civil War series) and "How Few Remain" (Great War series), both of which dealt with an alternate history of the Civil War.

Please be right ... [-o< ... Please be right.

[kaw]

In "The Guns of the South" by Harry Turtledove South African racist time-travelers sell guns to General Lee of the Southern States to turn the tide of the Civil War.

In "Bring the Jubilee" by Ward Moore the main character Hodge Backmaker picks up an education as apprentice to a cynical printer (of the Northern States) who supports the underground 'Grand Army' (the North hopes to rise again). Eventually our hero, a self-taught historian, joins an eccentric community of scholars and has a turbulent affair with a brilliant female physicist working on the mysteries of time.

She offers Hodge his big research opportunity: to visit 1863 and study the Battle of Gettysburg from a safe vantage point. Hodge ends up changing the course of the battle and the war.

The literary connection is "The Guns of the South" and "Bring the Jubilee" deals with two sets of time travelers (South African white racists and the Northern States reporter), who both ultimately turn the outcome of the Civil War.

[The_Continental]

Kaw,

You've won yet again - I might as well skip the trivia and go ahead and just send you games from now on ;)

A free sealed copy of MvC2 is yours. Unfortunately, I've purged my pm box since the last time you won, I'll need you to pm me your address again.

I must ask though - how did you come to your answer? - do you read as much sci-fi (SF) as I do? lastly, now that you've come to the answer - do you feel it was a fair question?

Congrats!

In "The Guns of the South" by Harry Turtledove South African racist time-travelers sell guns to General Lee of the Southern States to turn the tide of the Civil War.

In "Bring the Jubilee" by Ward Moore the main character Hodge Backmaker picks up an education as apprentice to a cynical printer (of the Northern States) who supports the underground 'Grand Army' (the North hopes to rise again). Eventually our hero, a self-taught historian, joins an eccentric community of scholars and has a turbulent affair with a brilliant female physicist working on the mysteries of time.

She offers Hodge his big research opportunity: to visit 1863 and study the Battle of Gettysburg from a safe vantage point. Hodge ends up changing the course of the battle and the war.

The literary connection is "The Guns of the South" and "Bring the Jubilee" deals with two sets of time travelers (South African white racists and the Northern States reporter), who both ultimately turn the outcome of the Civil War.

[zewone]

Congrats kaw. This one took forever. :)

[The_Continental]

Totally - this contest took a month and a half for someone to answer.

Up for contest # 6 - (if I can grab an extra one tonight) a free sealed copy of Kingdom Under Fire for the xbox... the trivia question will be forthcoming.

[Zman310]

Congratulations kaw. I'm a big Harry Turtledove fan, but I haven't gotten around to reading Guns of the South yet. Great question, Continental.

[kaw]

Kaw,

You've won yet again - I might as well skip the trivia and go ahead and just send you games from now on ;)

A free sealed copy of MvC2 is yours. Unfortunately, I've purged my pm box since the last time you won, I'll need you to pm me your address again.

I must ask though - how did you come to your answer? - do you read as much sci-fi (SF) as I do? lastly, now that you've come to the answer - do you feel it was a fair question?

Congrats!



Wow, thank you! This one took quite a bit of effort, but it was totally worth it. As you know, I've been wanting this game for quite some time!

I really had no clue what the answer was until you gave the hint this afternoon, "Think Sci-fi". At least now it was narrowed down to a genre. I'd like to be able to say I read science-fiction all the time, and it just took a month and a half to pull the answer from the deep recesses of my brain. But that would be a big lie.

Unfortunately, I don't read that much, and the only way I got to the answer was through some grueling Googling. I knew from earlier that "Northern States" was key. After what seemed like hours of trial and error, I just kept plugging in searches with words relating to "Northern States", "South Africa", "Science fiction", etc. Did I mention, I really wanted this game? I think what finally cracked the case, was when I typed in "civil war" along with some other search terms. I finally saw a pattern in the results. A series of alternate reality books kept coming up, all with Harry Turtledove as the author.

Things were looking up, and with some more searches I found the link to the South African neo-nazis in "The Guns of the South". While doing my research on that I stumbled across the Sam Clemens journalist reference in "How Few Remain", and thought I had the whole thing figured out. I hastily typed my first answer, only to find out I was half-correct. And worse yet, I just gave everyone half of the answer!

Now I was totally stumped. Searches for "Northern States", and anything related to the reporter were coming up nil. I finally started combing through all the reader reviews on Amazon.com for the Turtledove books. One of the reviews mentioned a list of books one might enjoy if they like the Turtledove alternate reality series. After researching the list of books "Bring the Jubilee" seemed to merit closer investigation. I found that both books did indeed involve the Civil War, and both involved time travel. But nowhere was their any mention of "The Northern States". I finally found a synopsis of the book which mentioned Hodge was an apprentice to a cynical printer. Maybe this printer was printing the Northern States? It was worth a shot. I wanted to get the answer in before someone sniped the prize, so I gave it a try, and it was right! Persistence paid off.

I must say these books sound quite interesting. And when I do read fiction, it is always of the sci-fi/fantasy type. So when I make some time to read again, maybe I'll pick up some of these books, and see what they're really all about... Right after some asskicking in Marvel vs. Capcom 2. :wink:

Thanks again Continental! Another brilliant contest! :)

[The_Continental]

Sweet-O... I'm glad that you were able to get the answer by doing some hard-core googling. That way I know it was a fair question - that is, anyone could get it with enough hard work, not just science fiction dorks.

About a month ago, I thought the Northern States thing was a dead giveaway. In "Bring the Jubilee," after the south wins the Civil War, the northern states actually become a proper noun. "Northern States" - like Idaho, or Canada etc... and the reporter was from the Northern States.

I can't think of any other book that uses Northern States as a proper noun...

y'know I think I might need to step away from these Twilight Zoney / Sci-Fi questions - you're too good at answering 'em.

I'll ship your game Saturday morning.

[The_Continental]

I think now that this was certainly an MVC2 worthy trivia question.

Oh - I need you to pm me a shipping address.

[kaw]

Kaw,

You've won yet again - I might as well skip the trivia and go ahead and just send you games from now on ;)

A free sealed copy of MvC2 is yours. Unfortunately, I've purged my pm box since the last time you won, I'll need you to pm me your address again.

I must ask though - how did you come to your answer? - do you read as much sci-fi (SF) as I do? lastly, now that you've come to the answer - do you feel it was a fair question?

Congrats!



And to answer your second question, I do think it was a fair question. I thought I had it at Samuel Clemens, but in retrospect, it was still too broad to be the literary connection. This one would have been cake for someone that has read both of the books, luckily for me, you are the only person on the board (at least who gave this thread any thought) who has! Very tough, but very fair since I was still able to come up with the answer and had never read either book. Thanks again - it was worth all the work.

[The_Continental]

Shit - I didn't realize this game was worth as much as it is:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/offering/list/-/B00006LEM0/all/ref=dp_pb_a/102-5962568-3376939

You earned it Kaw, can't deny you that.

[The_Continental]

I have to confess :oops: :roll: - I've only read Guns of the South . . . I never finished Bring the Jubilee - a little too boring IMHO.

Kaw,

You've won yet again - I might as well skip the trivia and go ahead and just send you games from now on ;)

A free sealed copy of MvC2 is yours. Unfortunately, I've purged my pm box since the last time you won, I'll need you to pm me your address again.

I must ask though - how did you come to your answer? - do you read as much sci-fi (SF) as I do? lastly, now that you've come to the answer - do you feel it was a fair question?

Congrats!



And to answer your second question, I do think it was a fair question. I thought I had it at Samuel Clemens, but in retrospect, it was still too broad to be the literary connection. This one would have been cake for someone that has read both of the books, luckily for me, you are the only person on the board (at least who gave this thread any thought) who has! Very tough, but very fair since I was still able to come up with the answer and had never read either book. Thanks again - it was worth all the work.

[Backlash]

I read Guns of the South a long time ago - great book. I never read any other Turtedove books, unfortunately :( I am looking forward to the next question!

[fragmanslayer]

Bring on the question... this was the first question that came to my attention. Too bad I couldnt figure out a damn thing.