Does anyone else not particularly care for Virtua Fighter 4?

[BustaUppa]

Big opinion post here, and I'm sure I'll get plenty of angry replies. Let me just preface this by saying that I love fighting games, and I have VF4:Evo. And I do like the game, but I'm just not enthralled by it. So it's got DEPTH. I won't argue that for a second. Virtua Fighter 4 is the deepest fighting game there is.

But in my opinion, "deep" doesn't equal "good," and the deepest fighter is not necessarily the best fighter. I'm not really making a case for any particular game here, because I don't really have one favorite game in this case. But personally, I have a lot more fun playing other fighting games than I do with VF4.

So basically, I just hate it when people get all snobby about that game. Bring up any other fighter and then the Evo snobs show up; if you don't like Evo the best then you're an idiot; Evo is the deepest and Game X is s#**; if you knew a thing about tournaments you would realize that this game is the best; oh you're just dumb and shallow because you aren't taking the time to really learn the game, and if you did then you would definitely agree with me, etc.

Well that's all well and good, but I just have more fun with other games! VF4 has its place, but I personally stick to my Street Fighters, Mortal Kombats, Soul Caliburs, Guilty Gears, DOA's, Darkstalkers, etc. I have more fun with those. And if you do as well, don't let anyone make you feel stupid for it. The fact is, the gameplay emphasis in VF4 is just very different from a lot of other games, and that will mean different things to different people. Plenty of real-deal gamers are bound to feel differently about it, and those different opinions must be expressed!

Anyone else feel like this?

[soulwish2003]

I liked it. I like pretty much everything SEGA releases...

[Wshakspear]

I bought EVO, and ive enjoyed it. My problem is that i dont play against real people. If i did id love it, but i just have no want to get any better than what it takes to "beat the game". I still preferSoul Calibur (1 or 2) and DOA.

oh, and personnaly, SF owns them all (yay for fanboy-isim!)

[Cornfedwb]

You're just dumb and shallow because you aren't taking the time to really learn the game, and if you did then you would definitely agree with me.

No really, I didn't enjoy it at all myself either.

[Gameboy415]

I also couldn't get into VF4.

I loved VF 1 and 2 back in the day on Saturn, but back then they just seemed more innovative, being 3D and all.

I just really hate the way moves are executed in VF4.

Forward, X, Triangle, Down?

There's nothing natural about that.

I'll stick with Guilty Gear, KOF, and the Versus series thank you very much.

[Rig]

I am also a big fan of the fighting genre, and while I did like VF4: EVO, I have played better fighters, so I guess I agree with you as well.

[cleaver]

Blasphemy!
JK, more of a Tekken fan myself.

[PsyClerk]

I was just saying the same thing on the Xbox forum in the DOA:U topic.

And BustaUppa, sorry I have not played you in MK:D yet. I've seen a couple of invites from you a while back that I didn't get a chance to respond to.

[t65will]

BustaUppa, I feel the same about VF4. Yes, I own it and enjoyed it for a while but I always end up going back to the SFs and Tekkens because they are simply more appealing and fun to play. Another thing that people almost never mention about the VF4, is that the character roster just isn't as interesting as other fighting games. So it may be deep and complex, but I just don't think the characters are as interesting from a character design point of view as characters from other fighting games. This just gives me less incentive to take the time out to learn all the intricacies and nonsense required to play them at a high level.

[jmcc]

My feelings:
VF - Good.
It's stupid fanboys who come into topics pertaining to other fighting games just to post "dur, this game isn't nearly as good as VF because it's not as deep" - Bad.

[Monsta Mack]

It's a real deep game, but it's not my cop of tea. It's a fighting game that isn't for everyone, and I'm one of them. I'm into Tekken, Soul Calibur, DOA, Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter, KOF, you name it. The only game I couldn't get into? VF. But I did play it for a month straight when it was my only Saturn game back in my kiddie days.

[SteveMcQ]

The only fighting game I've ever gotten into was Soul Calibur. Weapons based seems to be to my liking.

[Tromack]

I agree. It is deep and pretty fun. However, I think that Soul Calibur is a lot more fun, and still pretty deep. If I devoted my life to a fighting game, then I might have to choose VF4 because it is so deep, but that isn't going to happen. So as it stands I'm going to play more of other games that are more fun but still have depth, i.e. Soul Caliburs and Street Fighters.

[Pylis]

VF is a good game, but I prefer to fight on instinct rather than memorized combo sets. Soul Calibur is great, and DOA is my favorite 3D series just because of its speed and unpredictability. And yeah, I still prefer 2D fighters (Street Fighter, baby!).

Edit: I'm anal about grammar. I replaced "it's" with "its." Aren't I exciting?

[flybrione]

When the orginal was released I played the Kumite for over a month and really enjoyed it and the AI. But when other titles came along Capcom vs SNK 2 or MK Deadly Alliance I put it aside and really haven't played it much since. I can never really get super into any fighting titles that much beacause my friends are not into the fighting games. So it is difficult to pull out old titles and play all the time with out human competition.

I personally am enjoying MK Deception very much and will be on DOA Ultimate (whenever it arrives OUTPOST) because they are online and you can play against other people. I think that to have true fun in any fighting game you need actual human competition, with out it the games will only last for so long unless you are a die hard.

[BustaUppa]

Heh don't mention it PsyClerk, it's all good.

And Monsta Mack, good wording there... it really is a "cup of tea" issue.

t65will, I am totally with you on the character issue as well. Think of people like Chun-Li, or Sub-Zero, or friggin' Ryu Hayabusa, or L. Raptor, or Benimaru, or hell, even stupid-looking King from Tekken. All vibrant characters that are all memorable in their own way. The VF people like "Jeff" and "Joe" and "Mike" or whoever just aren't as memorable. Although I gotta admit, I do like that guy from Evo that looks like Wes Borland in a hood. Overall though the series is seriously lacking in the character department.

[SeraphiMichael]

The VF series is okay. Yes, the characters are rather plain as compared to other fighting games. I think the main reason I am not a VF fan is that I am not big on 3D fighting games in general. Partially due to liking the graphics of 2D games and due to not like the controls on most 3D fighters. I do like Soul Calibur, KOF Maximum Impact, Rival Schools, and to some extent, Dead or Alive. But for me 2D (Especially SNK) is a lot more enjoyable.

[Rodimus]

You're just dumb and shallow because you aren't taking the time to really learn the game, and if you did then you would definitely agree with me.

No really, I didn't enjoy it at all myself either.

Ditto, You took the words right out of my mouth.

[Trakan]

It's definitely one of the best fighters out there, but I've enjoyed others more.

[CaseyRyback]

Virtua Fighter 4:Evo is the definitive fighter of this generation. The graphics, characters, moves, animation, and quest mode just put it heads and shoulders above any other game.

[Zman310]

I agree with the OP. I'm a fairly casual fighting game fan, but I picked up the original VF 4 cause of all the good stuff I'd heard about it. I didn't think it was really bad at any point, but the game just was too much about taking a crapload of time to learn how to fight even semi decently, and it was frustrating just getting my ass kicked all the time. I prefer a fighter like Soul Calibur much more, because it's real easy to get into, but gets plenty challenging and forces you to learn as you progress. It's also fun as hell, which I didn't think VF4 was.

[oxidative]

I feel like I'm playing under water in slow motion. I can't stand VF4. I understand some like it for it's fighting mechanics, but I can make dinner and eat before landing a punch...

[CaseyRyback]

you guys must be turtling and running away the whole time then.

Average match of Tekken lasts about as long for me as a match of VF. Then again, me and my friend usually go right at each other. No need to play defense and run away constantly, thats why they invented a block button.

Try Sarah and Jackie out. Great for people who like a more fast paced game. Those are my two favorite characters, as I already know most of their moves due to playing all the other VF games.

[Weedy649]

Read what i said in the DOA thread. VF is a great game and many other fighters are too. Dont argue about one being better than the other just be happy that a genre like this has great fighting games that can appeal to different types of people. Some love the depth and some dont, some like easy to jump into and others dont. Then there are the people who like both and just play a certain one according to the preference of the person they are going versus. So stop the hating on good games.

[rapsodist]

I have VF4, liked it, but it was just a little too deep for my taste. Soul Calibur II's deep enough for me. Something about VF4 just made it feel like it wasn't so much a game but an exercise. I spent a while playing a couple characters and got pretty good with them, but I just didn't have the time or commitment to truly master them. It's almost like VF4 requires the sort of dedication that you might give to mastering a real martial art. :P

[demongorrian]

I bought VF4 when it first came out and played it quite a bit. Kage was my favorite character and I got up to 10th Dan with him. After a while I got new games and rarely played VF4 again. When I did I had forgotten all the moves and really didn't feel like relearning them. Unlike SFII and Soul Calibur 2 which I like more, VF4 is not a button mashing game -- its greatest strength for some, weakness for others.

[Weedy649]

great point demongorrian, it def isnt a button smasher but that is the percise reason why some people define it as the best fighting game. This isnt a game where you can play for your first time agaisnt someone who owns it and own them. So people see this as skill vs luck and when you look at it like that, luck isnt what should make a good fighter should it?

[trq]

I'll echo the sentiment of most of the posters here: it's a good game, but I'm not in love with it.

It has such a "hardcore" rep that I think a lot of gamers simply turn a blind eye to its faults. I can appreciate the mechanics, depth, and revolutionary modes, but the floaty physics, hit-or-miss animation, unnecessary complexity, and arbitrary move properties just ruin the experience for me.

Still, there are lots of fighting games I prefer it to, so I don't mean to be a hater.

[Rodimus]

The Japanese don't lie. Has anyone been in a Japanese aracde in the last 1 - 2 years? It's all about Virtua Fighter 4. The make the stuff so they know their shit.

[davidflecha17]

VF 4 is the best fighting game ever. you guys are just quitters or just very impatient when it comes to fighting games. Actually try the game, master your favorite character. fighting games are supposed to take time to adjust.

games like DOA and soul Caliber are kids games. they take no skill to play and just fail in the fighting game department. too easy and are one button button mashers all the way through even on hard mode. its like these games hand everything to you and just want you to beat them instead of giving you a challenge.

most of you guys that dont like the game because you are laxy to learn the moves, I do admit that at first I did not like the game that much because I thought it was all punches and kicks. when I learned how to play this game, it instantly became my favorite.

It's like real life, if you dont know how to fight, your going to get your ass whipped.

[swetooth9]

vf4 evo is great :)

yea there is a deep list of moves, but you dont have to use every move...

i agree with casey, sarah and jackie are pretty good for fast paced offense...also the old guy with the black pony tail with the weird shoes...forgot his name..he has great kick combos...he's good at offense too :)

[PhrostByte]

VF does require dedication. I'm only decent with one guy, Jacky, I got High King with him in VF4 1.0 and whatever the highest rank is in 2.0, Champion? The game is fun if you're good at it and you have opponents who are just as good. Here in Baltimore I only know of one arcade with a VF4 machine and only a handful of people who are decent at it, but the matches I have with them are much more fun than any matches I've had in Tekken 4, Tag, the Capcom 2d fighters, etc

[Rodimus]

VF 4 is the best fighting game ever. you guys are just quitters or just very impatient when it comes to fighting games. Actually try the game, master your favorite character. fighting games are supposed to take time to adjust.

games like DOA and soul Caliber are kids games. they take no skill to play and just fail in the fighting game department. too easy and are one button button mashers all the way through even on hard mode. its like these games hand everything to you and just want you to beat them instead of giving you a challenge.

most of you guys that dont like the game because you are laxy to learn the moves, I do admit that at first I did not like the game that much because I thought it was all punches and kicks. when I learned how to play this game, it instantly became my favorite.

It's like real life, if you dont know how to fight, your going to get your ass whipped.

I wouldn't got that far. DOA and Soul Caliber are just games after all and people like to play and have fun with ease. It's as simple as that. Most people aren't fighting game freaks so DOA is a perfect game for them. However it doesn't deserve the scores it's been getting. It's like throwing a pie in the face of every Hard core fighting fan.

[dopa345]

It's definitely not as much of a pickup and play type of game so I can see how it won't appeal to everyone. It's not flashy or over-the-top like other fighters (and I stress that there's nothing wrong with that. I personally also enjoy the Tekken and DOA games a lot myself), it's just a game with a complex and deep fighting mechanic that takes a fair bit of time to master. It's really the only fighting game that I actually derived some true satifaction for mastering a character. It also has an outstanding AI so the single player experience is always challenging and never really "cheap".

[CaseyRyback]

VF 4 is the best fighting game ever. you guys are just quitters or just very impatient when it comes to fighting games. Actually try the game, master your favorite character. fighting games are supposed to take time to adjust.

games like DOA and soul Caliber are kids games. they take no skill to play and just fail in the fighting game department. too easy and are one button button mashers all the way through even on hard mode. its like these games hand everything to you and just want you to beat them instead of giving you a challenge.

most of you guys that dont like the game because you are laxy to learn the moves, I do admit that at first I did not like the game that much because I thought it was all punches and kicks. when I learned how to play this game, it instantly became my favorite.

It's like real life, if you dont know how to fight, your going to get your ass whipped.

I wouldn't got that far. DOA and Soul Caliber are just games after all and people like to play and have fun with ease. It's as simple as that. Most people aren't fighting game freaks so DOA is a perfect game for them. However it doesn't deserve the scores it's been getting. It's like throwing a pie in the face of every Hard core fighting fan.

SC can be deep if you want it to be, but even noobs can win matches and look awesome doing that. Skilled players will still beat noobs, but the fact that newbs can enter games so easily and win matches is a turn off.

Also the guy who was the DOA 3 champion showed how busted the game was when he PWND all those hard core DOA players by doing one cheap move over and over again.


In VF the newb never gets close to winning, and there are no cheap moves or combos. Probably the number one reason I like VF so much.

[BLarR]

I still like Mortal Kombat the best, with Eternal Champions coming in the #2 slot, (and that series only has 1 game). Evo is fun and all, but there's no vampires or Krypt, that's a major downfall in my book.

[CaseyRyback]

I still like Mortal Kombat the best, with Eternal Champions coming in the #2 slot, (and that series only has 1 game). Evo is fun and all, but there's no vampires or Krypt, that's a major downfall in my book.

there are two versions of EC. One of the Genesis and one for the SEGA CD

[davidflecha17]

yup and in the sega cd version, you can pick the last boss from part one by doing a code

[Magician]

I don't particularly care much for Virtua Fighter, either, but its by no means a fault of the game's. Its mostly because I've never been a big fan of fighters in the first place (Tekken 3 is the exception), and the sheer depth that Virtua Fighter has isn't very friendly to a newb. While I'll admit that the game is the deepest and very possibly one of the best fighters this generation, I'm just not captivated by it.

[PenguinMaster]

It's merely okay. Soul Calibur & especially Dead or Alive are far superior.

[-Never4ever-]

See that's the problem, most are bashing VF4 for it's "slow" and "complicated" gameplay. Solution: play it for more than 5 min. Seriously VF$: EVO can take a year to master, or several seconds. Matches can be anywhere between 10 sec to 5 min. It's flexable to fit any single persons tastes.

That, more so than its staggering depth, awesome single player mode, and even its AI (the undisputed best ever), is why VF4: EVO still stands as the greatest fighter to have ever graced this earth, your opinion be damned.

[blackjaw]

2-d fighters for me!

[evilpenguin9000]

It's all about personal preference. I do prefer VF 4 to all other fighting games because of it's depth. It's not for everyone as you have to be a little bit dedicated to learning it. Live and let live I always say.

Oh and Shun Di's drunk ass is the best wooo!

[trq]

[quote="-Never4ever-"]See that's the problem, most are bashing VF4 for it's "slow" and "complicated" gameplay. Solution: play it for more than 5 min.[quote]

Well, that may not have been really meant for me, but let me respond anyway. The problem isn't that the game is complicated: most people here have given it props for depth. The problem is that it's UNNECESSARILY complicated. I mean, heck, if I spend weeks trying to grind out Akira's "hit K+G, hold kick and let go of G in 1/60th of a second" jumping knee, I expect a move that's somewhat more useful than the game's ubiquitous cock-punch.

But it's not, and why is that? Simply to add "hardcore" cred, and it feels artificial.

I like the game. I really do. But any game were I can master an Aikido koshi-nage in real life faster than I can learn a new move in the game is one step away from being the fighting game equivalent of Steel Battalion.

Or maybe there's just too damn much cock-punching going on. :wink:

[mastermetroid]

Partially to be controversial, and partly because this is my personal opinion, I prefer Super Smash Brothers Melee, and I is one of the greatest fighters ever created. Before you say that I am stupid, that it is shalllow, etc. This game is deceptively deep. There is no way that a newb could win against a master, because it takes genuine skill to get the timing right and to learn the appropriateness of each attack in a given situation. Jigglypuff alone can take months to even aproach the sheer level of awesomeness that he is capable of unleashing. Also, this game is entertaining for the to all that watch it being played.

[opportunity777]

It's a good game, but I would rather play something else.

[-Never4ever-]

[quote="-Never4ever-"]See that's the problem, most are bashing VF4 for it's "slow" and "complicated" gameplay. Solution: play it for more than 5 min.[quote]

Well, that may not have been really meant for me, but let me respond anyway. The problem isn't that the game is complicated: most people here have given it props for depth. The problem is that it's UNNECESSARILY complicated. I mean, heck, if I spend weeks trying to grind out Akira's "hit K+G, hold kick and let go of G in 1/60th of a second" jumping knee, I expect a move that's somewhat more useful than the game's ubiquitous cock-punch.

But it's not, and why is that? Simply to add "hardcore" cred, and it feels artificial.

I like the game. I really do. But any game were I can master an Aikido koshi-nage in real life faster than I can learn a new move in the game is one step away from being the fighting game equivalent of Steel Battalion.

Or maybe there's just too damn much cock-punching going on. :wink:

Simple solution: play as some other character. Akira is meant for the hardcore elite, where as someone like Pai takes less than half an hour to learn.

Comparing VF4 to SB is just really overstating the depth. Anyone can pick up and play VF4, where as SB requires a millitant sytle of training just to be able to play it.

[davidflecha17]

Akira is the hardest person to master. and the hardest person to beat for that matter.

[-Never4ever-]

It's a good game, but I would rather play something else.

The one and only valid arguement. VF4:EVO is perfection, but that doesn't mean you have to like it :)