CAGcast #202: The E3 2010 Not So Limited Collector's Edition

[CheapyD]

15060[/IMG-L]The CAGcast E3 Collector's Edition contains:

* Brand new CAGcast recorded today (0 to 1:31:34)
* E3 CAGcast recorded last week in LA (1:31:35 to 2:49:34)
* 10 Audioboos from E3 (2:49:34 to end)
* Invisible poster featuring Wombat in jean shorts

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Intro: We Love the CAGcast - Pen 15

(http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=children+of+the+elder+god&aq=f) The Release List of 6/19 - 6/25 (http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/64408)

CAG Contests (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/competitions.php?)

You Oughta Be in Pixels by Jason Glaser (http://jasonglaser.info/My_Albums/Pages/Chapbook.html)

OnLive launch title pricing detailed, includes rentals (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/06/22/onlive-launch-title-pricing-detailed-includes-rentals/)

DC Universe Online to charge $15 monthly subscription fee (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/06/21/dc-universe-online-to-charge-15-monthly-subscription-fee/)
Move pricing 'could confuse customers' (http://feedproxy.google.com/%7Er/mcvuk/oXMK/%7E3/dvvKnTJQvPI/Move-pricing-could-confuse-customers)

'Crackdown 2' Demo Is Up, Has Online Co-Op And (Eventually) Unlockable Achievements (http://feedproxy.google.com/%7Er/MultiplayerBlog/%7E3/TLnYX9eKPF4/)
New $199 Xbox 360 coming this fall (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/06/21/200-dollar-xbox-360-coming-this-fall/)
Xbox Live Gold Family Plan To Cost $99.99 In November (http://feedproxy.google.com/%7Er/MultiplayerBlog/%7E3/IfT1a8NtG00/)

AudioBoo listing (http://audioboo.fm/tag/e3cag)

CheapyD's Youtube Videos (http://www.youtube.com/cheapyd) (Subscribe (http://www.youtube.com/subscription_center?add_user=CheapyD))
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[JMEPO]

Woo hoo! Longest CAGcast ever!

EDIT: Holy shit Cheapy and Shipwreck! (especially Cheapy) You were a total dick to Wombat from almost the beginning of the show! Not cool guys... That was just fuckin lame...

[ddrlenz]

Sweet. Looking forward to it.

[apathylad]

I wonder if anything specific about the E3 party will be mentioned...

[Fjordson]

Over three hours of CAG goodness - can't wait!

[PacManster17]

Downloading now. I love the jean shorts.

[oscargrouch]

Do I need 3D glasses for the invisible poster?

[reddjoey]

I probably shouldn't start this now if I have to be up at 7. Thanks in advance guys

[USB Cable]

Holy shit this is ginormous, I'm so totally excited! :whee:

[Davestation]

Wow, I think I will save this for next week when Stern takes one of his 38 vacations...Thanks!!

[MSUHitman]

3 hours plus? What do you think this is, old school Checkmate Arcade? :)

I think we'll still beat you with episode 100 though. First part we recorded on Tuesday and part 2 which will actually be E3 stuff is recording tomorrow night.

Thanks for putting everything up that you did at E3.

[200STM]

I cant seem to download it is this what the delay is

its working now thanks

[Richlough]

An 8 Hour shift + 3.5 hour CAGcast = a good day at work .

[GreasyButton]

i love you wombat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Wickedsoul]

Much love for Wombat!!!! I literally cringed at some of the comments. Cheapy and Shipwreck really hurt his feeling. Not cool.

[Gloam]

Have to agree with some of the messages above. Wombat doesn't deserve that kind of treatment, especially from his supposed friends. For shame Cheapy and Boatcrash, for shame!

[shipwreck]

Much love for Wombat!!!! I literally cringed at some of the comments. Cheapy and Shipwreck really hurt his feeling. Not cool.

I know, I cringed too. What I had intended as good natured ribbing turned sour, and I've apologized profusely to Wombat about it. Like any friendship, sometimes you say things that you regret - this just happened to be recorded...

We truly are friends though and we're cool now. That said, I'll be apologizing again next episode.

[KingBroly]

I should've asked one of you to check out Metroid. While I'm extremely excited for Metroid, it REALLY worries me. I'm also surprised you glossed over Donkey Kong. While you said you played it, I don't think you gave any impressions about it.

Do you think the notion that Nintendo put forward about the 3DS, 3D without glasses, undermines Sony's pitch for 3D (Buy a TV, glasses, etc.)? And do you think it worked?

I honestly enjoyed the Hotel Room CAGcast bonus with the exception of the part where it echoed for a couple of minutes.

[shipwreck]

Donkey Kong Country impressions: It feels like Donkey Kong Country and the mine car portions are still difficult due to precise timing. Also, I had to repeat the same section multiple times because it returns you to the beginning of the level like old platformers (I think there are checkpoints though). I enjoyed the brief time I had with it.

[HooHaa]

I think the A in CAG stood for awkward during the latter half of the 'Brand new CAGcast recorded today' segment.

Nice to see that motion control remains just as pointless for hardcore gamers as it was back when the Wii launched.

oh, and we love you Wombat.

[noobie_noobster]

I think wombat was being a little hyper sensitive and probably what kicked off his insecurity was that cheapy started the show by saying he didnt really know wombat, which i can see as more hurtful than the rest of the comments, merely being examples of how little he knows wombat.

[Dakinggamer]

Awesome looking forward to CAGcast!!

[LiK]

weird, i got the nude version of Wombat in my copy. must be a misprint but i'll take it.

btw, lookin' forward to hearing what the fuss was about. if you guys hurt Wombat's feelings, i'm gonna come kick your asses!

[HungryButcher]

Hey Cag Crew!

I've been listening to the show for a few years now, but never left a comment before.

I have a little boy right about the same age as Tai and Sabrina. It's been great listening to the show over the past two years and hearing you guys go through what I've gone/going through, like the kids biting, talking for the first time and massively poop filled diapers.

I also love this website and your podcast. Wombat, Cheapy and BoatCrash all bring so much to the show and have awesome chemistry. And it truly amazes me what Cheapy has accomplished with this website. I run a movie website that does decent traffic, but no where near Cag. Cheapy is living my dream. :) It's seriously very impressive dude. I would love to hear the war stories sometime about you trying to get this thing of the ground.

I'm very much looking forward to this episode. And I'm quite curious to hear what you guys end up fighting about. It seems like BoatCrash ended up apologizing, which surprises me.

Love the GoDaddy codes. I'm a freelance web developer and use them almost weekly. Keep up the theme music during the plugs Wombat. It's great. :)

Have a great day guys!

Butcher

[actripxl]

Wombat instead of making fun of soccer maybe you should play it and lose some weight. :)

[HungryButcher]

I was on the crapper when I read Wombat's tweat about soccer. It made me laugh out loud. Then the water splashed my nuts.

[Duck in a Pond]

So happy CAGcast is back!!!

[Freeisgood]

Woo hoo! Longest CAGcast ever!

EDIT: Holy shit Cheapy and Shipwreck! (especially Cheapy) You were a total dick to Wombat from almost the beginning of the show! Not cool guys... That was just fuckin lame...

My sentiments exactly. Obviously Wombat played it off and was cool about it but you guys were jerks to him. Not cool at all. He may say it didnt bother him, but there is no way it couldnt. You shouldnt be rude to a so called friend like that, especially when tons of people are listening too.

[Thevoiceinyourhead]

Cheapy you really secured your position as Douchebag of the year 2010 with this show, Wombat's feelings were clearly hurt and yet you didn't say sorry, you just carried on insulting wombat! It really put a downer on the show and made it really awkward. Shipwreck was also to blame, but he atleast was trying to move the show on to stop Cheapy from wailing on Wombat.

[Freeisgood]

Cheapy you really secured your position as Douchebag of the year 2010 with this show, Wombat's feelings were clearly hurt and yet you didn't say sorry, you just carried on insulting wombat! It really put a downer on the show and made it really awkward. Shipwreck was also to blame, but he atleast was trying to move the show on to stop Cheapy from wailing on Wombat.
Agreed. All this talk of not knowing Wombat by Cheapy...?Well I guess we all know Cheapy now too. Not cool.

[KingBroly]

Donkey Kong Country impressions: It feels like Donkey Kong Country and the mine car portions are still difficult due to precise timing. Also, I had to repeat the same section multiple times because it returns you to the beginning of the level like old platformers (I think there are checkpoints though). I enjoyed the brief time I had with it.

That sounds like I'll enjoy it then. Those stages never gave me much trouble in the original DKC (The gas powered moving platform however...). I wonder what control method would work better for that game: Wiimote/Nunchuck or Wiimote sideways. I read that both would be an option.

[coldwine]

3 hours??? I thought steroids are illegal!

[liquidcross]

Not to sound like a broken record, but you really twisted the knife on Wombat this show, Cheapy. Shipwreck did too, but at least he tried to move on. Cheapy just kept digging the hole deeper. And to make matters worse...you publicly released the audio!

Not cool at all.

[SpazX]

Yeah a little harsh on wombat, great memories for his first E3. Anyway, I watched the Sony conference live and I remember when they announced the move prices. $49.99 - yay! applause! $29.99 - silence. It was hilarious.

[bickle]

Do you think the notion that Nintendo put forward about the 3DS, 3D without glasses, undermines Sony's pitch for 3D (Buy a TV, glasses, etc.)? And do you think it worked?

I don't think a 3 inch screen would ever be able to undermine a 57 inch screen. The 3DS works because as a portable, the viewer is forced into a specific sitting area. The same tech can be used on large screens, but the 'sweet spots' for viewing are much more finicky and problematic.

[pmp1986]

Wow CheapyD was just a complete dick to Wombat. I love how Cheapy says you don't take free stuff when you're press to Wombat yet he has no problem receiving a free 360 slim from Microsoft. I know that the 360 did not seem to effect your opinion of Microsoft but I doubt the Nyko bag effected Wombats opinion either. Just thought Cheapy was kind of being a fucking hypocrite

Yes I know he is giving away 5 360 slims but he still is getting one himself for free

[Ramza394]

EDIT: Holy shit Cheapy and Shipwreck! (especially Cheapy) You were a total dick to Wombat from almost the beginning of the show! Not cool guys... That was just fuckin lame...


Agreed, not cool. Stop acting like Wombat's some guy that you met on the streets at E3. Wombat is a integral part to Cheap Ass Gamer and should be treated as such. I think a apologetic audio boo is in order from CheapyD and Shipwreck.

[I_Am_ProZac]

Cheapy you really secured your position as Douchebag of the year 2010 with this show.

My thoughts exactly. At least shipwreck seemed to realize when it went too far. Still great to hear E3 opinions, even with those few awkward moments.

[basston3s]

All the years that Cheapy and Wombat have spent together conversing over the internet should count for something. For Cheapy to say he hardly "knows" wombat based on the simple fact that he has spent little time with him in person is bull. Especially when, arguably, one of the most important aspects to the CAG site is community and building relationships with people with common interests via an internet forum.

Wombat is a stand up guy, and gets my kudos for trucking on through the show.

I'm not sure what I would have done in his place.

[Corvin]

I don't usually post in the show thread (unless there is a contest lol) but had to come and chime in. What a couple of douchebags. Sheesh. You could tell from the audio that Shipwreck knew they were crossing a line and backed off a bit, but Cheapy just plowed full steam ahead.

[kaw]

I wouldn't blame Wombat if this was his last CagCast. That was pretty ridiculous. Cheapy ripped him down for getting free stuff, and living up to other Jewish stereotypes. Last I checked, this was cheapassgamer.com, and not uppitydouchebaggamer.com. I like Wombat because he's what this site represents. Shipwreck sounds so far up Cheapy's asshole, that he'd agree with anything he said, and jumped on the Wombat hate train. For shame guys. For shame.

[liquidcross]

I wouldn't blame Wombat if this was his last CagCast.
Me neither. I'd certainly leave, if I were in his place. The hurt feelings were one thing, but Cheapy made it public.

[KingBroly]

I wouldn't blame Wombat if this was his last CagCast. That was pretty ridiculous. Cheapy ripped him down for getting free stuff, and living up to other Jewish stereotypes. Last I checked, this was cheapassgamer.com, and not uppitydouchebaggamer.com. I like Wombat because he's what this site represents. Shipwreck sounds so far up Cheapy's asshole, that he'd agree with anything he said, and jumped on the Wombat hate train. For shame guys. For shame.

As far as I'm concerned, Wombat can take all the free swag he wants. Cheapy got a freaking Xbox 360 for free for crying out loud.

[kingkiller33]

I wouldn't blame Wombat if this was his last CagCast. That was pretty ridiculous. Cheapy ripped him down for getting free stuff, and living up to other Jewish stereotypes. Last I checked, this was cheapassgamer.com, and not uppitydouchebaggamer.com. I like Wombat because he's what this site represents. Shipwreck sounds so far up Cheapy's asshole, that he'd agree with anything he said, and jumped on the Wombat hate train. For shame guys. For shame.

Wow, can't wait to hear this after work, and hear what went down. In fairnes, Wombat has ripped on Shipwreck quite a bit, but this sounds way out of line. Reminds me of last year when Wombat got all that hate voice mail on Xbox live.

[Ultramontane]

Thank you Ship for manning up and apologizing. I could see it starting out as fun jabs towards Wombat but as it progressed it lost its cool. And even worse Cheapy put Ship in an awkward place by asking him about his stance on Wombat. Cheapy I hope you sincerely apologized to Wombat behind closed curtains.

[MattX66]

Wombat you are the man enough said there. He's one of the reasons I listen to the cagcast

[repete]

finally

[RanchLizard]

Ouch. Easy there, Cheapy and Ship. You come off as very elitist and smug. Is that typical after spending a week at something like E3? I imagine many game companies and publishers, etc. want your attention to try to get the most coverage. And you are offered lots of free stuff. And other people recognize you and say hello and want a picture and stuff. However, it's not ok to start being a jerk. (In my opinion, being self-effacing is much better than insulting.)

Kudos, however, for recognizing you were jerks and trying to mend things.

[gbpackers94]

http://audioboo.fm/boos/144872-shipwreck-is-a-douche-wombat-is-cool
(i dont know if it's my place to post this, but here it is)

[surferboy]

The weird part for me was when Cheapy said "what? all I said was I didn't LOVE hanging out with him."

Um, you also said he was loud, abused the system of free swag, made fun of him when he said he enjoyed hanging with you, bitched a lot during the trip, and essentially implied that you didn't "know" Wombat, and after some time with him, didn't really like him.

[200STM]

Wow it went from playfull jabs to stabs well shipwreck has apologized in a audioboo and cheapyd mention it on twitter that he feels bad. This accident reminds me of the time I myself acted like a douchebag I was dating a crazy B+tch and I always used to ditch my friends just to be with them I missed many good hang outs and tournaments but like good friendships things can be patched up and friends can be friends again

[Milkyman]

Damn you guys were so harsh on wombat. He said the best thing about e3 was hanging out with you two and then he gets treated like the younger brother who wasn't invited. I expect cheapy to do stuff like that, usually I find it funny, but I was surprised that shipwreck joined in too.

[usickenme]

The fact that CheapyD doesn't recognize that Wombat is a hypersensitive little girl pretty much proves his point about not knowing him.

However, it did strike me as an odd comment since they have an hour plus conversation 3-4 times a month.

BTW- Ironic comment of the show was Cheapy saying (paraphrase) 'sometimes I say some not-so-nice things about people on this show'

[Doomtime]

Definitely agree with the majority of the comments above.

"What do you have a strong desire to do?" -Cheapy

"Not talk to you for a little while" - Wombat

"Fly to Japan and punch you in the face"

[bigsick]

I have a lot of "internet friends," some of which i know better then my "real life friends." Just because they aren't in a physical presence, doesn't mean they aren't friends. To bash wombat and say he isn't well known to you because you haven't been around him physically much is wrong. Over the years you have built a friendship and a bond, not only by doing the cagcast, but by talking outside of it and gaming together as well

I wouldn't be surprised if Wombat quit, but I wouldn't blame him either.

[MrBrando]

Cheapy D comes off as the type of guy who is trying to be the cool guy to me. It's like the time I met the iFanboy guys at wondercon. This is their time to be the cool kids out of all the other nerds even though them and everyone there is pretty nerdy. So they try and ignore/shun the people that are super excited (maybe overly) to be there.

I feel like this is how Cheapy is to Wombat. He feels like wombat is going to embarrass him in front of people.

Don't even get me started on the "not knowing him" comment. If after 5 years Cheapy doesn't feel he knows wombat then it his own fault for not giving a damn to know him better. Just shows how much he values Wombat

[Edge of Heart]

Damn, you guys were pretty awful towards Wombat. I don't know what you guys have to do but you have to make it up to Wombat somehow.

[USB Cable]

Wombat gets pooped on from time to time by Cheapy but there's some sprinkles peppered in the poop, this time Wombat was just straight up pooped on sprinkles aside.... I think Cheapy just said a little to much out loud and didn't really know what he was saying completely. If he hated Wombat he could just tell him to fuck off or to eat a sink but he tried to express his feeling on things that bugged him and came off as an expert level 100 Bag Of Douche.

I don't feel like typing a blog here so I'm gonna stop now. I just hope all is good after this show, it would suck to see friendships ruined over bull shit :cry:

[PaddedCell]

Sounds like Wombat has a couple odd things about his personality, I and a lot of my friends have the same and we as friends point out each others flaws and make fun of them. I don't know about you guys, but since my childhood, my friends and I, in any circle, have always talked shit back and forth, call it immature, but its all in good fun. Get your balls out of your wife's purse and get over the silly rantings. If this is Wombat's last show(which I doubt) then maybe we can stop hearing "this is the last time we will talk about that". As for Cheapy's comments about not knowing Wombat all that well, obviously some of the things he learned about him this week stood out enough for Cheapy to comment.

I found the bashing the most entertaining to be honest. I mean for the first half I listen to the bitching about the move, kinect, mmo monthly charges. Which opinions are one thing but holy hell, do we have to hear the same shit for months again and again? Yes you guys don't like it, yes it is a bit pricey, but so was the consoles when they first launched. Its going to be awhile before we see some good games made for it. I really hope they make more games for hardcore gamers for the move and kinect, right now they are aiming at the casual gamer like Nintendo is.

[ShinAkumA21]

i agree with CheapyD about Wombat it just seem that Wombat doesn't get out much and when he does he act like a little hyper boy and all CheapyD is saying is Calm the Fuck Down. i also hate it when people i barely know stick their fingers in my food to take something, its like just ask me and i would of handed you some.

Wombat just learn to stop being annoying

[ThisIsJon]

Poor Wombat.

Cheapy and Ship should have quit while they were ahead, what started out as just poking fun and having a laugh spiraled out of control. Some things just shouldn't be said out loud. I think you owe a lot of your success to Wombat, Cheapy, and you sure as hell didn't show your gratitude in this podcast.

You questioned the quality of last weeks podcast and chose not to post it, I question the quality of this weeks.

[TheH2s]

Yikes, this CAGcast was hard to listen to.
It reminded me of watching Cops where the husband beats his wife, and then tells her there is nobody like her, that he loves her and he doesn't know what he'd do without her. It was that kind of trainwreck.
Cheapy definitely came off as a bully.

[Broken Cage]

Wow, can't wait to hear this after work, and hear what went down. In fairnes, Wombat has ripped on Shipwreck quite a bit, but this sounds way out of line.

There's a big difference between making fun of someone's internet nickname (calling Shipwreck Boatcrash) or hair color, and claiming you don't know somebody you've talked to once a week for five years.

For true, if Wombat walks, I don't think I can keep listening. Cheapy is the host, Shipwreck is the brains, and Wombat is the funny. To exclude one is just stupid.

[lokizz]

wheres the download for the intro song becuase i want it?

[flybrione]

What the fuck is wrong with you CheapyD?

Worst CAGCAST ever!

[NutManIV]

Wow you guys were really mean to Wombat.

[cheezmaster]

Kudos to Shipwreck for being a man and admitting his faults. I'm expecting an apology from Cheapy as well, but I doubt we'll receive one. You guys were assholes to him.

Oh well, these things happen. Just make-up and make a better CAGcast next time!

[Baron O Hell]

I honestly think Wombat took it to seriously but it was kind of clear early on he was upset with it. So it came off as rubbing salt in his wound and kicking him while he was down.

Cheapy be more sensitive to your co-host. Wombat grow thicker skin. Shipwreck set up a webcam in your bedroom so we can watch the crazy things you do in your sleep.

[iKilledChewbacca]

Mr. Wombat although you probably wont read this I just want to say " you are the BEST on the CAGCAST ". You are the main reason to the CAGcast !!! Your smart remarks are hilarious, your stories are insane , dont let something as little as that get under your skin


:D :D :D :D :D

[Gentlegamer]

Two things I learned from this CAGcast:

1. Shipwreck is Tyler Durden

2. CheapyD really is self-centered, who exhibits traits of social narcissism, not able to discern when his remarks will likely upset and insult, lacking the empathy to tell when a friend really is upset and insulted

[Conboy]

Guys, the complete Move set is $50 for Move, $30 for Sub controller, and $50 for the camera, hence the question at $130 (I am MonsterMag on Twitter). The package they announce is $100 for Move/camera/game, but you still need $30 sub controller. 4 people can play on 1 Kinect, need to buy seperate Moves and sub controllers for each person.

[iKilledChewbacca]

Guys, the complete Move set is $50 for Move, $30 for Sub controller, and $50 for the camera, hence the question at $130 (I am MonsterMag on Twitter). The package they announce is $100 for Move/camera/game, but you still need $30 sub controller. 4 people can play on 1 Kinect, need to buy seperate Moves and sub controllers for each person.

yeah but I cant name a single Kinect/Natal game that looks decent . also I dont want to dance infront of a camera to play a game :D

[usickenme]

i agree with CheapyD about Wombat it just seem that Wombat doesn't get out much and when he does he act like a little hyper boy and all CheapyD is saying is Calm the Fuck Down. i also hate it when people i barely know stick their fingers in my food to take something, its like just ask me and i would of handed you some.

Wombat just learn to stop being annoying

I think it was obvious that it was a business trip for Cheapy and Shipwreck and a vacation for Wombat.

[lokizz]

ouch damn man that last bit had me cringing. on one side i get why you all were ragging on him because if he did that sort of stuff id be offput too but id say something to him straight up so that way you can nip it in the bud before it gets worse.

that said cheapy and shipwreck you both came off like assholes ganging up on him like that. keep that to yourselves dont go out of your way to make him look like shit in front of everyone on cag and air out dirty laundry. yeah i get it its all in jest but its like a bird getting pecked to death by other birds. kinda gives you an idea of what he must have gone through being there with you all.

i realize you paid for them to be there and all cheapy but you need to go above and beyond to make up for shitting on wombat on the cagcast because fuck man when im defending him you know you did wrong.

its like that whole saying in every joke theres a nugget of truth so cheapy you basically told everyone what you really think of wombat and you came off like you could care less.

sorry you had to learn the truth about your relationship with him like that womabat but that said dont quit the show. youre as important to it as he is.

[basston3s]

I think it was obvious that it was a business trip for Cheapy and Shipwreck and a vacation for Wombat.


except for the fact that there was ZERO business. E3 is a conference for developers to display new tech to an already over inflated enthusiast market. The ones there for business are there to cover every nook and cranny to their readership.

Sure, different sites probably handle themselves in a different fashion, but this is cheap ass gamer we're talking about. They weren't covering everything as hardcore as other sites. Cheapy probably walked around stoned the whole time, and many sites probably wouldn't even think of doing that.

[Broken Cage]

I think it was obvious that it was a business trip for Cheapy and Shipwreck and a vacation for Wombat.

That's why CheapyD was smoking weed at this, and last year's E3.

[bmulligan]

Wombat-

Hey, I love 'ya, man, but you gotta grow a freakin' pair of balls. That "I'm hurt" shit may work on your wife, but on the CagCast it just makes you look like a vagina clown.

You're supposed to be the one schoolin' everyone else in witty retorts. It's part of your damn job description. Get to it. Remember, we love you. Fuck that bald guy.

[TheH2s]

I think it was obvious that it was a business trip for Cheapy and Shipwreck and a vacation for Wombat.

Have you never heard the CAGcast before?

Cheapy repeatedly says he goes for a vacation. Honestly CAG has no business being at E3 to begin with. I'm glad they get to go, and the E3 shows are typically good and funny but none of them are there for business.

[usickenme]

except for the fact that there was ZERO business. They weren't closing any deals. E3 is a conference for developers to display new tech to an already over inflated enthusiast market.]

I wouldn't say Zero. CAG is Cheapy's business. They reported on the show via twitter and CAGcast and will use the information in future CAGcast. They also had a CAG gathering. Both of which build the brand, which increases site membership which puts $$ in Cheapy's pocket.

If they were going just for fun, there wouldn't be any coverage at all. Y'all are wrong and don't seem to understand how the new economy works.

Additionally, when the dude smoking weed tells you that you need to be more professional, that should show you something.

[collipop]

I already suspected cheapy was quite self centered and this show confirms it. Cheapy needs to think about other people feelings before he talks about them on the show. Its like the time he read a personal email form his dad word for word, You just need to think about peoples feelings beside yourself.

If you felt wombat imposed on your space (taking your food and such) then that's fair enough but its the fact wombat had previously said that being with the two of you was his favorite part of the show. Then to take a shit on wombat saying you hardly know him is going to make him upset. You may have not "loved" having him at E3 but why make a point of it and then bring it up multiple times.

I don't think shipwreck said anything that bad so was surprised to hear the audio-boo he made, Really it was cheapy that caused upset.

[John]

The real scandal here was the lack of Super Programmer John mentions. I guess I need to get some new shit uploaded on the site first...

[pmp1986]

I think it was obvious that it was a business trip for Cheapy and Shipwreck and a vacation for Wombat.

Yep a business trip where Cheapy smokes a bunch of weed. All of my business trips are like this too it is pretty common in the business world to smoke large amounts of pot.

[C.A. Fuzzy Nutz]

I just don't understand why this is such a big deal....Wombat has bashed on Cheapy and Shipwreck before and has come off as a complete ass at times, yet when it is done to him, he is all butt-hurt. While Cheapy and Ship did come off as harsh, this type of stuff happens and Wombat just needs to get over it...they tried to apologize and if he doesn't want to accept it, then fine...
While I think that the Cagcast would be different if/when the trio splits up, it is not like the world will stop and video games will cease to exist.

[The Dutch Slayer]

I always love the cag + the cagcast and I always will be cheapy how could you treat Wombat they way you did this week?
Seriously he has done nothing to deserve this you should apologize AGAIN this/next cagcast and really mean it!

Wambat sometimes people are harsh and you should irnore them for it please do not leave us or the cagcast, cheapy should know better Wambat is an essential part of CAG + the Cagcast and a valuble asset to it.

The cast itself was great this week but please just keep the chemistry of you 3 going and be a little bit nicer for each other.

[basston3s]

I wouldn't say Zero. CAG is Cheapy's business. They reported on the show via twitter and CAGcast and will use the information in future CAGcast. They also had a CAG gathering. Both of which build the brand, which increases site membership which puts $$ in Cheapy's pocket.

If they were going just for fun, there wouldn't be any coverage at all. Y'all are wrong and don't seem to understand how the new economy works.

Sure fun was to be had but even Cheapy himself basically said Wombat should be more professional.


I can agree that Wombat is annoying and that may have sparked Cheapy's criticisms, but there was nothing professional about the way he address the issues of "professionalism."

[Thevoiceinyourhead]

I think it was obvious that it was a business trip for Cheapy and Shipwreck and a vacation for Wombat.

Cheapy allways says he goes there to smoke weed, buy clothes, play games and get some human interaction. What "business" is Cheapy doing at E3?

[lokizz]

I just don't understand why this is such a big deal....Wombat has bashed on Cheapy and Shipwreck before and has come off as a complete ass at times, yet when it is done to him, he is all butt-hurt. While Cheapy and Ship did come off as harsh, this type of stuff happens and Wombat just needs to get over it...they tried to apologize and if he doesn't want to accept it, then fine...
While I think that the Cagcast would be different if/when the trio splits up, it is not like the world will stop and video games will cease to exist.


so if youve known someone for years and then they tell everyone online that you barely know them and then proceed to run down a list of things said person did that they didnt like about you and then to go even further laugh about how that persons feelings have clearly been hurt by what you said you dont see the big deal?

i dont know how much time theyve spent together in person or online chatting or gaming but as far as i could tell they were really great friends but in one cagcast cheapy basically told everyone they arent.

which is kinda odd since he whines so much about how lonely he is in japan maybe now we all can see why. hes been there how long and cant be bothered to learn japanese?

long story short you dont do your friends like that. a joke is a joke but none of what was said was funny. props to shipwreck for manning up and apologizing.

[Kuromimi]

Man I love the cagcast but gawd damn this was a depressing episode.

[ShinAkumA21]

so hanging out with a person for a couple of weeks is knowing them? you guys are idiots

[Thevoiceinyourhead]

so hanging out with a person for a couple of weeks is knowing them? you guys are idiots

They've spoken over skype for around 300 hours for the podcast, I'd say they know each other pretty well.

[Broken Cage]

so hanging out with a person for a couple of weeks is knowing them? you guys are idiots

So you've never gotten to know ANYTHING about ANYONE over the phone, texts, or IMs? Really? You're an idiot.

Edit: And if you say you haven't, you're full of shit, because you somehow discerned from this thread alone that we are idiots. Nice job, Sparky.

[ShinAkumA21]

there a different between hanging out with someone and voice chat & texting them

[Broken Cage]

there a different between hanging out with someone and voice chat & texting them

What difference? Unless Cheapy and Wombat were fondling each other in a dark alley, speaking in person and speaking on the phone would convey the same information.

[The Dutch Slayer]

I see one of my best friends once every few months because he lives 5 hours away from me, but I know more about him than I know about my neighbors.
I know he's girlfriends name I know his parents hell I know he has 3 cats and a dog and I know all their names.
The amount of time seeing someone is not important to know someone inside out what is important here is that is was wrong and at least not very friendly to Wombat.

Just please don't let this be a breaking point in the cag magic that has been growing and growing on me as a listener for so many years now.

[ShinAkumA21]

He was acting like a small child on crack embarrassing CheapyD and Shipwreck

Wombat was like those black guys at movie theaters that scream at the screen and CheapyD is there high just wanting to enjoy the flick

[Broken Cage]

He was acting like a small child on crack embarrassing CheapyD and Shipwreck

Wombat was like those black guys at movie theaters that scream at the screen and CheapyD is there high just wanting to enjoy the flick

Yeah, but Cheapy knew that,man. He's bitched about Wombat being over the top in previous CAGCasts. So it's not like he wasn't aware of how it'd be. Cheapy can't claim ignorance in that regard.

[pmp1986]

He was acting like a small child on crack embarrassing CheapyD and Shipwreck

Wombat was like those black guys at movie theaters that scream at the screen and CheapyD is there high just wanting to enjoy the flick

How was E3? I mean you must have been there since you have so much insight to how Wombat was acting.

[dizee]

Wow wombat needs to grow up and stop the crying. that wasnt even bad.

seems wombat can dish it out but he cant take it. wombat can call shipwreck a ginger, daywalker etc. and thinks its ok and funny, yet when they poke some fun at wombat he cries like a little kid.

qq more wombat

[collipop]

Wow wombat needs to grow up and stop the crying. that wasnt even bad.

seems wombat can dish it out but he cant take it. wombat can call shipwreck a ginger, daywalker etc. and thinks its ok and funny, yet when they poke some fun at wombat he cries like a little kid.

qq more wombat

Calling shipwreck ginger and daywalker is just playful insults between friends and is different from what went on in the cast. Cheapy wasn't having a little joke at wombat when he said he didn't know him.

[Broken Cage]

Wow wombat needs to grow up and stop the crying. that wasnt even bad.

seems wombat can dish it out but he cant take it. wombat can call shipwreck a ginger, daywalker etc. and thinks its ok and funny, yet when they poke some fun at wombat he cries like a little kid.

qq more wombat

QQ more? Really? That was like three years ago now.

If you can't tell the difference between a statement like "ginger" and "Daywalker" and telling someone you've known for five years that you "don't really know them." Then... I don't even know what to say to you. You're obviously not human.

Edit: Here's the difference: Wombat never seems malicious. He thinks he's funny, even when he's not. I've never heard Wombat say anything out of hate. Even when he made fun of me, I laughed. Cheapy seemed to really be shitting on him, as a person, not just someone trying to be funny.

[sthenic]

hard to feel good about yourself when you are getting shit on by 2 people at the same time. not to mention most of that shit they already mentioned in the E3 podcast. saying it once may have been in jest, but twice is just rubbing it in.

[jz1n]

E3 was kinda lame this year. This motion stuff sucks...

BTW much love to Wombat!

[dizee]

QQ more? Really? That was like three years ago now.

If you can't tell the difference between a statement like "ginger" and "Daywalker" and telling someone you've known for five years that you "don't really know them." Then... I don't even know what to say to you. You're obviously not human.

Edit: Here's the difference: Wombat never seems malicious. He thinks he's funny, even when he's not. I've never heard Wombat say anything out of hate. Even when he made fun of me, I laughed. Cheapy seemed to really be shitting on him, as a person, not just someone trying to be funny.

3YRs AGO? considering shipwreck just started on the cagcast recently thats not true

wombat = crybaby

[buxton]

bahahahahaha Wombat can dish it out but he can't take it. That's why I love him.

[Broken Cage]

3YRs AGO? considering shipwreck just started on the cagcast recently thats not true

wombat = crybaby


The phrase QQ More was three years ago. You're not exactly observant, are you? That's why I seperated that comment from the rest of my post.

[Droogs]

Wombat roast was great!

[dizee]

The phrase QQ More was three years ago. You're not exactly observant, are you? That's why I seperated that comment from the rest of my post.

you should clarify next time you run your mouth imo

[Pasukaru]

I don't usually post in the show thread (unless there is a contest lol) but had to come and chime in. What a couple of douchebags. Sheesh. You could tell from the audio that Shipwreck knew they were crossing a line and backed off a bit, but Cheapy just plowed full steam ahead.

This is exactly how I felt during the show. It was kind of awkward to listen to, really.

I already felt it starting at the beginning where Cheapy told Wombat he hardly knew him, just because they spent little time together in real-life. This shows Wombat values internet-friendship as much as real-life friendships, which I guess is the same for me. Cheapy however, must feel these two kinds of friendships are really different, so it's harder for him to call Wombat a 'friend', like other people he knows in real life. I had this happen to me before, where I was the Wombat of the story.

That said, after this comment by Cheapy, both Cheapy and Shipwreck started to make mean comments to Wombat. Sure it was meant to be fun, friendly pokes to Wombat, but surely Wombat was already feeling a bit down by Cheapy's previous comment and couldn't really take those pokes as he usually would. It was obvious Shipwreck quickly realized this, but sadly Cheapy (as he says himself) can be an ass sometimes and didn't realize at all.

I listened to Shipwreck's Audioboo, which wasn't a real surprise, but was more expecting one from Cheapy, who was the bigger bully of the two. I'm sure we'll hear more of this next podcast.

[mxpowar]

After listening to the podcast, it seems like everyone in this thread is blowing this whole thing way out of proportion. From the tone of Wombat's voice, it seemed like he was just pretending to be upset (which I think has happened before on the CAGcast). If he was really upset, I think he would've just switched off his Skype, yet he kept going and even laughed with Cheapy and Ship a little afterwards.

Although, I have to say, I've been getting a little bored with the CAGcast lately and after reading the forum thread, it actually got me interested in listening again to find out what all the fuss was about. So I guess the moral here is: if you guys started adding in these "fake feud" wrestling-style storylines to boost your listener-ship, then IT'S WORKING!

[Microshock]

Here's the issue you people in the forum don't seem to be getting here, Wombat was basically double-teamed here.

Both CheapyD and Shipwreck both bashed him even though Ship was a little more quiet on it. After 4 years of doing the show with JUST Cheapy and then being put down after all that time, it's probably disheartening.

It started off when he repeatedly said he didn't really know Wombat. BULLSHIT. You'd know him if you actually paid some attention. I bet all of us know Wombat more then you do.

Basically they made him feel unwanted, which is not something anyone wants to feel. So yeah.
Other than that, it was a decent show.

[dizee]

its kinda funny how noone called out both cheapy and wombat when they poke fun at shipwreck but when cheapy and shipwreck poke some fun at wombat, a riot occurs.

along with the ginger/daywalker etc. comments, I can remember both cheapy and wombat making jokes about shipwrecks cat which died recently during 1 of the podcast in the past.

IF YOU DISH IT, YOU CAN TAKE IT.

[Broken Cage]

you should clarify next time you run your mouth imo

Sure, cause two seperate paragraphs wasn't enough clarification. Next time I'll draw it out in crayon so I don't hurt your wittle brain.

Edit: And just to clarify now, if I had been referring to the comments about Shipwreck, I'd have said, "Ginger? Daywalker? That was like a month ago." Instead I referenced your comment, "QQ More." Because... Well... That's what I was commenting on. Now you're clear.

[Milkyman]

I can get where cheapy is coming from on the not knowing wombat as well as shipwreck. I've known some people online for like ten years and meeting then in person was still weird and doing E3 together is like becoming hetero life partners for 5 days

[TheH2s]

its kinda funny how noone called out both cheapy and wombat when they poke fun at shipwreck but when cheapy and shipwreck poke some fun at wombat, a riot occurs.

along with the ginger/daywalker etc. comments, I can remember both cheapy and wombat making jokes about shipwrecks cat which died recently during 1 of the podcast in the past.

IF YOU DISH IT, YOU CAN TAKE IT.

I totally agree that if you dish it, you need to take it, and I think Wombat has proven time and time again that he can do both. I think everyone knows when it is a joke, and I for one have never felt uncomfortable listening to the CAGcast. Everyone involved knows it is all in fun, but this was over the line. I felt really bad for Wombat. You could tell it went quickly from joking to over the line. It was really uncomfortable. If it gets uncomfortable you know something isn't right about the situation.

The CAGcast is the reason that I started to go to the site. I would even argue the site became what it was because of the podcast, without Wombat and the podcast the site wouldn't be what it is today. Wombat has done a lot for the site and to get shit on was uncalled for.

[Filler2001]

Well, I came here to stick up for wombat, but it seems like this is well covered.

Yeah, just gonna throw it out there, but you and shipwreck were total assholes last night.

Either way, I don't want to be a total bitch about it, but I just wanted to say it.

And to Cheapy, I have a podcast recommendation: The Adam Carolla Show. It is a daily 2 hour podcast that is almost like a Stern ripoff but also carries its own personality and humor. I dunno, seemed up your alley.

[chaseamazon]

OMFG amazing podcast!

Don't apologize Cheapy! You really don't know Wombat , you guys have a professional relationship.

I strongly believe that Wombat is medically retarted. If this is true then ok Cheapy and Shipwreck were wrong in pummeling him. But I think that Wombat would adamantly deny this so Cheapys and Shipwrecks pummeling should stand. If he is (what I suspect) medically retarted then it really is on CHeapy. He should have realized that he has had run ins before with his bizarre behavior and him going to E3 was just not a good idea.

If Wombat really is not a sub primate, then bravo to Cheapy, this is the only way that Wombat will ever stop, you gotta kick people's ass sometimes.

Where to go from here. I hope Wombat seriously thinks about quitting, he doesn't make any real money from the website and really contributes nothing.

Shipwreck your audioboo sounded like when Kramer apologized on Letterman and everybody was like huh?

Your reviews are really good though, so you stay :)

[Broken Cage]

I strongly believe that Wombat is medically retarted.

Stuff like this always makes me laugh.

[Doomtime]

Stuff like this always makes me laugh.
:lol: I was just thinking the same thing.

[Baron O Hell]

Hey guys, keep this podcast in mind when you do a best of show.

[sublime90]

over all a good cagcast...aside from the raping of wombat. the only thing i thought was messed up about it is when cheapy said a few times that he doesn't know wombat and didnt really enjoy his company, he made it sound like he just walked off the street and started talking to him. little cold hearted, it sounded to real and less like a joke and seeing that cheapy doesn't know wombat guess he wont miss him when he decides not to do the cast anymore. so far im not sold on the motion control stuff i need to see more and more interesting games.

[Falion]

Wow... Cheapy was cold as ice towards Wombat in this episode. The way he shut him down whenever the issue of their friendship was brought up made him sound emotionally stunted, but I'd be lying if I said the callousness didn't lead to some very entertaining podcasting. :D

[Hbomb5]

Wombat, you're awesome. I hate what happened to you on the show. You have been on top of your game the past few months. I know a certain podcast who would welcome you with open arms.

WOMBAT RULES !!!

[Wingwright]

While I usually think that Wombat is overly sensitive, I felt bad for him this time.

It was sad that Cheapy treated him like some random stranger. You guys are supposed to be the fucking dynamic duo of my favorite podcast! Get it together.

[Lice]

That was a bit awkward to listen to.

The e3 coverage was better i guess... Hopefully they make up next week and cheapy apologizes for acting like a high school douche.

[easper]

I think we just got more of the Howard Stern Cheapy this week, which would have been fine if Wombat felt like playing along. But he didn't, and Cheapy and Ship didn't pick up on it soon enough (or, in Cheapy's case, at all).

This is the downside of the three man format. It's easy for two people to pick on the third and go too far without realizing it. I feel bad for everyone, because as much as I think Cheapy was too "honest" with Wombat, I also believe that he wasn't trying to be malicious. Spending an entire week with someone can stir up the waters, no matter how close they are. Airing those annoyances on a podcast is just asking for trouble.

I get what Cheapy meant by feeling like he doesn't know Wombat that well. I've spent the past few years recording podcasts with guys I've never met in real life, and if I ever met them it would feel like I was getting to know them for the first time. Maybe the fact that Wombat stayed in NY while Cheapy moved his whole life to Japan is one reason Wombat feels like things never changed between them, but Cheapy doesn't see it that way. All to say that Wombat is owed an apology, but I'm sure he'll get it if he hasn't already. None of these guys are jerks.

Even though this happened in public, we should probably let them fix it in private.

[SoulFinder]

Yea, have to agree with the other peps, that was a pretty shitty experience for Wombat. Its one thing to joke, but you could obviously tell that he was uncomfortable, and that didn't really stop you guys. I mean i love the show, but that was just terrible. hoping for a better show next week...

[johnnypark]

I've been listening to the CAGcast for months now but never cared enough to comment until now.

Damn, Cheapy, you were a complete Bro to Wombat. Insensitive and just snarky in some of the shit you said to him, and it was clear he wasn't laughing with you and you just kept doing it. Then when it was incredibly obvious, you kept making jokes in a pathetic attempt to lighten the mood. I think you owe him a sincere apology, not necessarily on the air or anything, but just between friends. I was literally cringing through the last 30 minutes of the 1st 'cast, and it left me in a sour mood for the rest of the day.

[Z_meista]

I just can't believe that Cheapy said he doesn't really know Wombat after doing 200 podcasts together. And way to rub it in Cheapy.

Wombat, you should have used your wombat powers and showed them what's what!

[Gredler]

To people whining about how they treated wombat, you must not have friends because if they weren't friends maybe that would have been offensive but obviously they're good friends. As wombat eats their food without asking and they obviously don't care, they talk massive amounts of shit to wombat and he doesn't care. <3


Thanks for the salute Cheapy, great way to end a great podcast!

[triforcer]

yea i kinda felt bad for wombat, he obviously sounded bummed when they were ragging on him. i think cheapy saying they weren't good friends hurt his feelings the most, after 200 shows i think it constitutes being good friends even if you haven't hung out in person too much.

[SteveDaWonder]

Wombat, way to keep up the good attitude and humor even when you were bummed. That's what makes you a great entertainer and an important part of the CAGCast.

[Goemar]

The Wombat comments made this really awful to listen to, I'm surprised he simply didn't get up and leave - felt really bad for him. Cheapy dismissing the strength of the friendship, one Wombat obviously treasures, simply because it was most online was just awful.

Seriously Wombat is awesome, he doesn't get paid for doing this and he defiantly needs more respect. This has been the only CAG Cast I haven't enjoyed and I just hope him and Cheapy can work things out and he's at the next E3. It would hurt CAG greatly to push Wombat away.

[Dr Cliff Huxtable]

Wow, I almost felt like I was the one getting bent over in that show. I can honestly say that's the first time I felt sad and awkward listening to a podcast. I've listened to this podcast for 3 years now, and that was a terrible lack of disregard for someone's feelings. To make matters worse, it was a tag team effort. Shipwreck may have not been the instigator, but he was the backup. This was one big bully session. I would have been hurt if that were me. I understand that Wombat can be annoying and over the top at times, but don't air the dirty laundry in front of thousands of listeners, it's completely unprofessional.

I agree with the above poster. Wombat obviously feels there's a strong friendship with Cheapy after being on a show with them for almost 5 years. And apparently that "internet" friendship isn't reciprocal. I can already hear Cheapy on the next CAGCast saying halfheartedly that it was taken the wrong way. No one likes listening to a podcast like that. It's weird, it's awkward, and it's unprofessional.

[DrKai]

The CAG community loves you Wombat - don't let the excessive ribbing by CheapyD & Shipwreck get you down. I think they now see they went a bit too far.

The CAGcast wouldn't be the same without Wombat. His analysis and viewpoints on marketing have always been insightful. He provides a unique and complimentary voice to CheapyD (and now Shipwreck).

Keep up the good work Wombat. Hopefully Cheapy will come around and show a bit more respect for your contributions to the CAGcast. I feel that Shipwreck is a stand-up guy and likely has tried to make his amends already.

[Mahoney07]

Listening to this podcast was so awkward I had to skip part of it

[Corvin]

Wombat-
...Remember, we love you. Fuck that bald guy.

:lol:

That was a bit awkward to listen to.

The e3 coverage was better i guess... Hopefully they make up next week and cheapy apologizes for acting like a high school douche.

My guess is that he starts out the next show reading quotes from this thread from people on his side.

Personally, I agree with someone above that said to solve this shit off the air. We don't need a public apology, just mend those fences and move on with the show.

Oh, I actually sorta agree with Wombat on talking about Move/Kinect. It's obvious none of them give two shits about it, so why waste time talking about it? Isn't that the policy they have in place for Japanese RPGs? Why should this be any different?

[Kezmer]

I thought all day after I listened about a long drawn out post about the whole thing, but really I understand how all parties felt really. There comes a time where even the best of friends can get enough of each other enough to where it becomes annoying. I mean if I was Wombat going to my first E3 after working a job nonstop where i wasn't even sure of my job being secure, I would do the same thing. It had to be like a vacation for the guy, and hell he still had to work some. I am sure being away with friends and goofing off had to be the highlight of the guys year. Cheapy and Ship had been before so I am sure they had forgotten the feeling of how fun it is to be at your first E3. Plus with it being motion control focused I am sure Cheapy was already annoyed and I can't blame him either. It was just the perfect storm of things to make friends turn on each other.

I am sure it is also hard for Cheapy on a podcast to know for sure if Wombat is seriously hurt or not right away. I mean the guy takes ribbing after ribbing and pretends to be mad but is just joking.

I will defend Wombat to the teeth on the Lobster part. I mean whether he paid for dinner or not doesn't matter. I love food too, when I order something off a menu I want to eat what I ordered and I think about it until it comes. There is nothing more frustrating than getting less than you had hoped to get. I would have bitched the same way, but then again like Wombat I pretty much hate people too lol.

I hope this doesn't put a damper on what a great podcast this is. Maybe take a few weeks off of the show? you spent 5 days at each others hips and you need some time apart. Your chemistry is wonderful on the show and I hope it never changes.

[figcoinc]

I do agree with a lot of sentiments here.

This was not a fun Cagcast. You all sounds like good guys, and I can understand that Cheapy may not know Wombat all that well since they have not hung out in person a lot. Though Cheapy, the way you presented yourself is hurtful. You guys have talked, joked, shared stories, and even talked about great life events with each other on/off air. Even though I do not think that was your intention it sounded like you just blew all that off.

That...I mean wow. I felt hurt listening to this. You can honestly tell he was more excited meeting you two than anything else. He felt really apart of things with Cheapassgamer, and more importantly he felt like he a chance to meet with what he thought were close friends.

To find out that the person he talked to with regularity for 5 years basically just blew him off, and seemed to not even truly like his presence is hurtful. I honestly do not know what to say. Yes, Wombat can be a bit sensitive, but his is very justified.

Regardless Cheapy you should talk to Wombat off air. Seriously.

Also Wombat, as you can tell from these posts we CAGers do appreciate you. Even those who may disagree with you all the time do really appreciate you.

[polly]

I know, I cringed too. What I had intended as good natured ribbing turned sour, and I've apologized profusely to Wombat about it. Like any friendship, sometimes you say things that you regret - this just happened to be recorded...

We truly are friends though and we're cool now. That said, I'll be apologizing again next episode.

Stop apologizing. He'll never develop that thick skin that all wombats need to survive in the wild.

[paintball745]

Stop apologizing.

Pretty much as my old boss said just don't let it fucking happen again.

[JadedJedi]

I know what Wombat was going through in this show because almost every time I go out with my "friends" they all start picking on me. So when they ask me if I want to go out with them, I tell them that I would rather just stay home and play games. If I was Wombat, I would of logged off of Skype. Wombat deserves free swag.

[Kingfalcon]

You guys did take it a little far, but, like Ship said, this stuff sometimes happens among friends. I think all that is really necessary is an honest apology on next week's show.

[usickenme]

With all due respect to all sides, this shit is gayer than the Volleyball scene in Top Gun.

Wombat- grow a dick and get over it. Cheapy obviously likes you enough to pay your way to E3 in the first place. Not to mention he sounded crushed when he initially thought you couldn't come.

Cheapy- Stop with the Howard Stern impression. You aren't him and friend should always come before a laugh on the show.

Shipwreck- Seems like you learned a lesson but an AudioBoo apology? Lame.

[Mahoney07]

With all due respect to all sides, this shit is gayer than the Volleyball scene in Top Gun.

Wombat- grow a dick and get over it. Cheapy obviously likes you enough to pay your way to E3 in the first place. Not to mention he sounded crushed when he initially thought you couldn't come.

Cheapy- Stop with the Howard Stern impression. You aren't him and friend should always come before a laugh on the show.

Shipwreck- Seems like you learned a lesson but an AudioBoo apology? Lame.

qft

[retrovertigo]

Welcome back, guys! Glad to see a new episode synced to my MP3 player today!

[shanezey]

I liked the Audioboos/Tweets/flickr on the frontpage during E3, it sounded like you were having a great time. The updates really gave a great point-of-view that few other websites really capture.

Not to beat a dead horse, but the first part of the podcast was pretty awkward to listen to. Everyone on the CAGcast brings their own perspective to the table and I thank you all for what you do.

[hollitz]

I love you Wombat.

[VipFREAK]

I've done about 30min. of this show at work and I'm sorry to say, this is a friggin snooze fest. I really enjoyed CheapyD's 360 Towel trick but this... this is boringggggg...

[Treythalomew]

Finished the show and dang after thinking about it for awhile Cheapy really railed on Wombat. I didn't think Shipwreck really did much but his audioboo apologizing makes me sooo happy he's on the show. Shipwreck is a real standup guy and I can only imagine what the show would have been like with just Cheapy and Wombat.

All I know is I'll expect the awkward for the next show but I think Wombat's a big enough man to let it go before then.

[mada]

Wow, Cheapy. You're a dick. I know that being a dick is kind of your shtick and all, but in the 5 years you guys have been doing this show you seem incapable of acknowledging Wombat as an actual friend without the "I just do the show with this guy" bullshit. And this time you added multiple insults on top of it.

I've been listening to CAG for about 3 years and it amazes me that you can't man up and say that Wombat is your friend without any qualifiers.

[6egamer.com]

Im a long time listener (since Nov. of 2008) and this episode I heard something I never heard before. About an hour and a half in I heard something strange so I listened and re listened and couldnt figure it out. So I ran the audio through a sound analyzer. Turns out it was the sound of Wombat's heart breaking. Wombat says his favorite part of E3 was hanging out with Cheapy and Shipwreck and their responses..."I cant believe Wombat ate my food." This episode had more drama than a Lifetime Original. All I could picture this episode was Cheapy as the abusive husband, Wombat as the emotionally abused wife, and Shipwreck as the redheaded step child. That being said I do understand part of what Cheapy was trying to say. You need to be with a person to really know them in order to know all their subtle nuances. But a little advise Cheapy -when Wombat puts himself out there make a sincere thank you first THEN make the jokes. and Wombat- you and Cheapy sound so much like an old married couple that there is no doubt that Cheapy really does love you and so do fans like me.

OG Eric

[ohmyblazes]

I agree with everyone else. I love the show but the douchebaggery on Cheapy's part was ridiculous. Shipwreck was nowhere near as mean. Cheapy definitely ran with it. If Shipwreck can post an audioboo apology when he didn't even do much Cheapy definitely should be doing something more.

I'm really disappointed with the show this week. First time for everything I guess.

[Curufinwe]

Now we know that living in Japan and not speaking Japanese isn't the only reason Cheapy is starved of human contact.

[Baron O Hell]

Nice audio boo apology shipwreck. I don't know if it was appropriate since you are going to talk about it on the next cagcast and have already apologized over the phone, IM, and on the forum. There is such a thing as apologizing to much. I can kind of understand that you might be apologizing to the fans also, but really we will all be tuning in to the next cagcast. No need to go overboard. Save the rest for the next cagcast.

[spineynorman]

Damn. I was looking forward to this big long CAGCast all day, and now I'm just depressed. Man was that ugly. Cheapy, either fire Wombat, or quit fucking picking on him all the time. You're going out of your way to make him feel unwelcome. You could apologize, but all you'd be apologizing for is making your feelings about him public. You can't say now that you don't actually feel that way. Wombat, I'm a big fan, but it's time to walk away. I certainly don't want to see you go, but you got degraded. And if you do go, I'm probably through with the CAGCast.

There has been tension just under the surface ever since Shipwreck joined the show (which isn't Shipwreck's fault).

I've never cared for all the poop and weed talk, but I still always liked Cheapy and respected him for building CAG and for his opinions on the show. I justified the poop/weed stuff as him being irreverent and blunt. Now I think he's a 36 year old man who talks like a 13 year old boy and treats friends like a 13 year old girl.

Very sad.

[Mahoney07]

I can't wait for next weeks podcast after all if these posts lol

[spineynorman]

I hate to even bring this up since Wombat has been dumped on enough, but dude, if people react that strongly to you, you might want to think about how you present yourself. For instance, just let the lobster slide. You didn't deserve to be publicly called out like that though.

I love your contributions and I think you're swell, for the record.

Wow - I'm on the E3 portion of the show now, and the Wombat abuse continues. This is rather good-natured, which makes what happened on part 1 of the show even more unnecessary.

[thadwhit]

Dang Cheapy, pretty harsh on the ol' Wombat.

[collipop]

Cheapy obviously likes you enough to pay your way to E3 in the first place. Not to mention he sounded crushed when he initially thought you couldn't come.

I remember him saying that he only cared about how it effected him and that he was glad as he wouldn't have to pay for wombats hotel any more.

Although he was mostly joking with that statement.

[AwRy108]

Hey Wombat,

The sole fact that neither CheapyD or Shipwreck didn't break your fingers for stealing food off of their plates should be enough reason for you to understand how much they like you.

On a related note, this new window into your personality has given my opinion of you a whole new perspective. In short: I would've broken more than your fingers.

You gotta break that food-stealing habit, dude; and you gotta do it right away. Doesn't paint the best picture for a fat guy who's trying to lose weight, either.

[joshanaitor]

Cheapy D you can go fuck yourself

If wombat decides to not go back on next week

I refuse to visit cheapassgamer anymore

I relize that one person doesnt make a difference in the life of the internet pimp

[spoo]

I hope you come back next week Wombat but I can understand if you don't.

Cheapy are you soulless? Doing a 90 min. show every week with someone for five years how can you not form a bond? To tell you the truth the Cagcast would be shit without Wombat and wouldn't have gone past ten episodes.

[reddjoey]

First the light stuff: If you think back to before MS launch the NXE, the 360 had an option to automatically download XBLA titles, but scrapped it when the NXE launched. I'll probably repost this in the CAGBag later this week as I'm sure it will be buried

About the CAGCast behavior: It sounds like Wombat let his guard down and wanted to let the guys know what a good time he had. You know Real-talk, no-homo stuff (that what the kids say now right?) and Cheapy and Ship weren't done jabbing him and just went too far. Everyone has faults and our friends accept them because they enjoy our company. You know what happens after that? You get over it or stop being their friend. After 5 days it's easy to let the little things get to you and go too far, especially when it's Wombat's first E3 and it's old hat for everyone else. Was he unprofessional by loading up on swag, then wearing it? A little bit, but you guys gotta lay out the ground rules for the "team" before you go. Can't be mad at a guy for making a rookie mistake on his rookie trip. Overall it sounded like Wombat felt like you guys were a close family and you were more like distant relatives. Glad to hear Ship's apology today, I'm sure Cheapy will follow-up as well.

Wombat, we have heard you dish out some trash and most of us agree it got a little too real. I hope you forgive the guys and stay with CAG.

[Microshock]

Can everyone stop describing Wombat as a child who needs CheapyD on here? Seriously.

[Swoxx]

Two things i feel a need to comment about this week.

1. I like Wombats suggestion that you never talk about motion control stuff again, because you don't like ANYTHING about it, you're entitled to your opinion and i agree on some, maybe most of it, but damn it gets annoying to hear you say it over and over every fucking week. If you don't stumble over something you have an opinion that differ from your regular "it sucks" do us all a favor and just don't mention it, the show time could be used for better content.

2. I know It's been mentioned a lot but wow, how could you not think that would hurt Wombats feelings Cheapy? I mean i would be pretty hurt too if a friend you've talked to every week for 5 years not only tells you that he doesn't really know you and that you were annoying but also prefers the company of another person more. Maybe you didn't mean it that way, i sure hope you didn't but it sure as hell came of as you did.

Credit to Shipwreck for apologizing also btw, even though it was Cheapy who was mostly responsible.

And also credit for not editing out that part, you're being honest with the community, which is much appreciated

Thats all

Awkward and a very weird show guys.

[orko60]

Yes, this was an extremely awkward CagCast this week. I'm with most of the people in this thread when I say that you guys were out of line saying those things to Wombat, but if those are your true feelings, then that's that. If I were Wombat, I would definitely take a break for a while; apologies would not help, and would probably only make things weirder.

I got to talk to Wombat for a few minutes outside of the Gopher the other week, and he seemed like a cool guy. (He escaped when two drunk fools who were trying to get in started talking to us) Maybe five days of him would be a little much, but you should probably have factored in some breaks from each other for the trip.

On topic for the show, you guys are really showing your cheap jewey-ness. EVERY MMO has that same model, I believe; you pay for the game, then you pay the monthly fee. If the content stream is enough, then they keep you coming back month after month. That's just the way it works, and having it on the PS3 shouldn't change things. Then again, the game looks like absolute balls, so I ain't interested anyway, but that's still the way things are and DC Universe Online is not out of the ordinary in doing so.

[saunderscowie]

Just thought i'd share my thoughts on this whole Wombat hate situation. I heard stuff about this before listening to the show (via tweets from both Cheapy and Ship) then again by Ship's Audioboo - so I didn't really know what to expect.. So throughout the show I was waiting to see when it was about to happen. I do feel you guys were a bit harsh on Wombat, it started out okay but you kept going and going at it, even when Wombat was saying "thats it i'm done", "you've upset me" etc - and you can clearly hear the seriousness in his tone. I was surprised by Ship, like he normally doesn't get really into this stuff going back and forth between Wombat and Cheapy but he dived straight in.

I also think this whole "I know Ship better because i've met up with him in person more" is totally wrong. As Wombat stated you've been doing the show for FIVE years now; which is quite a long time to be doing anything. Its not like you just talk to him for the 1:30-2:00 hours a week on the show then thats it.

Thats it just a few thoughts. Apart from that I liked the show and I hope you three continue doing the show.

[Neckbeard69]

Cheapy D was way out of line, and I unsubscribed from the podcast.
His behaviour was unacceptable, and Wombat has my full support.
Hopefully Wombat starts his own podcast.

[TheToiletDuck]

CheapyD are you fucking autistic or something?

[Xo ColdKilla oX]

stop being such a dick. maybe you need to get out more, cause you really dont know how to treat other people. shipwreck kept trying to save it, but you kept rubbing it in.

[Interfeci]

Looks like a lot of whining on here. Everyone's an adult. In my case, older. If you've never said anything negative about anyone you know anytime in your life, then i'm proud. Otherwise, get over it. We all do stuff people don't like. It's no different when it's actually voiced.

The only bothersome thing is that it had to be kept. Maybe Cheapy doesn't know how much of an asshole he can be. Maybe he kept it to see what subscribers would say. Who knows.

I found it interesting when I heard that Shipwreck would be paying equally for Live regardless of a plan or not. I thought we were on CAG, where one year subs were $30-35. The family plan would only be good if you have over four people in your household playing. Also, you shouldn't apologise so much. If feelings were seriously hurt, I can't imagine what would or wouldn't be fixed with public apologies.

And Wombat, your advertising song was a little loud this time around. I was surprised Cheapy didn't say anything about it this time. Other than that, an interesting addition like always. I hope your kinectimal doesn't give you any allergic reactions. Or maybe if it does, you can go for some kind of lawsuit against MS.

Keep on keeping on. You guys are an interesting bunch. Unlike the majority, I saw absolutely no problems here. Wombat is the lightning rod of hate, and he still keeps on loving everyone.

[4nik8tor]

the only problem I had with the show was no mention of Jean Snow

[Loonknight]

Egad man, quite harsh on our pal Wombat this week. Although you try taking food off my plate you'll liable to lose a digit. You guys just went a bit too far on the guy from the sounds of it. Seriously though the whole "I know Shipwreck more than I know you Wombat" ouch!

I'm sure this will be all straightened up in time, and you guys are all going to love each other again in no time.

[Broken Cage]

Looks like a lot of whining on here. Everyone's an adult. In my case, older. If you've never said anything negative about anyone you know anytime in your life, then i'm proud. Otherwise, get over it. We all do stuff people don't like. It's no different when it's actually voiced.

You should know that two wrongs don't make a right. Just because everyone can be a dick sometimes doesn't make it ok to humiliate your friend, record it, and have thousands of people download it.

Also, I don't buy into the "get over it" mentality. If something bothers you, speak. What the hell is the point in sitting around with your mouth shut while the world pisses on you? You might prefer that, but it doesn't mean others should. (Edit: Might I also point out that you yourself spoke out about the "whining", and I'm sure you've whined about something at some point in your older than adult lifetime. Which means you yourself don't subscribe to this "get over it" mindset.)

*Edited out Father Time, don't want my point lost in what might look like mindless flaming.

[Slim Fandango]

Been listening to the show for years, but for the first time I have to post in the thread. This was the most ridiculously depressing videogames podcast I have ever heard. Just think about that sentence.

CheapyD you're a douchebag.

[Conboy]

Finished listening to the show, and yes Cheapy and Boatcrash went WAY over the top in bashing Wombat. Even though Cheapy's "I don't know you Wombat" was very early in the show, you could feel the hurt in Wombat's voice the rest of the show, and then the piling on at the end really pushed him over the edge.

Did Wombat deserve some criticism for eating others food and maybe being a little too loud, sure. Friends need to tell their friends if they are out of line, but not in the manner/forum they did it in. You got the feeling that Cheapy and Ship felt that Wombat intruded on "their" show/space/vacation even though he is integral to CAG.

I like that Ship manned up and made the Audio Boo, it sounded genuine and honest, Cheapy's Twitter apology on Twitter seemed empty. I hope he and Wombat spoke and worked it out.

Looking forward to next weeks show.

[kingkiller33]

Finished listening to the show, and yes Cheapy and Boatcrash went WAY over the top in bashing Wombat. Even though Cheapy's "I don't know you Wombat" was very early in the show, you could feel the hurt in Wombat's voice the rest of the show, and then the piling on at the end really pushed him over the edge.

Did Wombat deserve some criticism for eating others food and maybe being a little too loud, sure. Friends need to tell their friends if they are out of line, but not in the manner/forum they did it in. You got the feeling that Cheapy and Ship felt that Wombat intruded on "their" show/space/vacation even though he is integral to CAG.

I like that Ship manned up and made the Audio Boo, it sounded genuine and honest, Cheapy's Twitter apology on Twitter seemed empty. I hope he and Wombat spoke and worked it out.

Looking forward to next weeks show.


Maybe CheapyD is waiting for the next Cagcast to offer a proper sincere apology. I admire Shipwreck for doing the audioboo. That showed real class.

[Gentlegamer]

I'd like to add something else: sounds like this was the first time Cheapy told Wombat about the "things that annoyed" him at E3. You three were together for an entire week, and you just now bring it up? Couldn't say it in person? Had to wait til you flew across the Pacific and talked via Skype?

You have beef with a dude? Squash it in person.

CheapyD is a pussy.

We are likely all getting blacklisted from winning a CAG contest ever again. Speaking for myself, I don't care.

[Walt Jay]

I like how Cheapy got Ship to validate all of his criticisms of Wombat. This podcast felt like The People vs Wombat.

"Did you or did you not steal my french fry, Wombat?"
"Umm..."
"SHIPWRECK?"
"He did, Your Honor."
"And Wombat, did you not accept swag from numerous vendors?"
"Umm..."
"SHIPWRECK?"
"He did, Your Honor."

We all know Wombat can take only so much criticism, so it'd odd Cheapy, and to a lesser degree BoatCrash, would steamroll him, especially on a podcast. Way to shit in the punchbowl.

[bsesb2003]

Oh man, you guys repeatedly leveled the Bat.

[retromufc]

I have been saying cheapy is an unlikeable douche for weeks, good to see people are picking up on it. He offers nothing to the cagcast other than his shitty brand of humor. He's not funny, he's not likable, and he's not entertaining. Shitwreck and wombat are the only enjoyable aspects of the cagcast. Cheapy should quit and be replaced with Justin McElroy and this podcast would take off.

CheapD sucks. I haven't heard the cagcast, and I won't, but Wombat should go somewhere else if he wants to shine. This site's podcast turd is going nowhere. Of course he isn't going anywhere else though, it's not like anyone else is paying his way to E3 or giving him free shit.

[rogueweapon]

In this CAGCAST Cheapy breaks up with his overbearing girlfriend. He tells Wombat he isn't that into her, but they can still be friends. He also says they should see other people like a thin redhead he's been talking to.

[4nik8tor]

after digging around the internet a bit I came across what really happened at E3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq7c2hsR_Co

[bgame2]

Wow, seriously Wombat...sack up! About 2 shows ago, you stated that you routinely cut cheapy and shipwreck off when you determine they've been talking too long (and it's boring), you "declare" when topics (ie. shitbox, b.m.) will no longer be discussed, you read unflattering listener comments in obnoxious tones (usually followed by a "go f...k yourself" or "F..k. you", and yet you become sad when cheapy or boatcrash indicates that there are certain things they dislike about you? That's ridiculous.

You probably were loud because you were at your first E3, having a great deal of fun, and to some degree were probably overcome by the excitement. So what, who cares. Your friends aren't allowed to say you're loud? I'm sure they recognized that you were just excited about being there. Instead of being such a sap about this you could have diffused the whole thing in two seconds by saying "I was just excited" rather than going the "I'm not that loud" defensive route. Just because Cheapy doesn't want you to be the guy that microsoft sends to his house to give him a hand job doesn't mean he's not your friend. Get over it.

[ihih]

I could really feel how Wombat felt while cheapy said he thought he knew ship better because he had spent 1-2 more E3's with Ship than Wombat, although I love when cheapy is picking on Wombat (Army of 2 story is the best HAHA) I dont enjoy it when wombat feels hurt as he obviously did after that completely useless not knowing him remkark.

Thats why Wombat is so great you can make fun of him and he just laughs with you but no one is that tough that they dont have a line that cant be crossed. Wombat's line was crossed on CAGCast 202.

Wombat I love you and I'd love to play DC Online with you on ps3 ;D

[Broken Cage]

after digging around the internet a bit I came across what really happened at E3.

Ok. That made me giggle.

Edit: Cheap Ass Mountain? No?

[LiK]

Finally finished the main show. Kinda annoyed with the ribbing that Cheapy gave Wombat. I met Wombat at PAX East and he was super cool to me. But to return to my main point, Cheapy's comments about not knowing Wombat well really escapes me. Do none of the years of conversations and previous meetups mean nothing? I doubt Cheapy knows more about these "friends" he mentions on the show more than Wombat. Judging people by how much you see them in person is hypocritical to me. You don't need to be involved with someone everyday to be your friend.

Cheapy, making jokes is fine but give Wombat some respect.

[saunderscowie]

I've been reading the comments and I re-listened to the end of the show and I have to say I disagree with a few people on their views of Shipwreck. When listening again Ship kept on pushing it more and more, which would set off Cheapy even more. There was a point when the thing could of ended but Ship brought up the lobster then cheapy goes off again "Oh yeah right...etc", then again straight after with the bowling.
Then people are on here saying stuff like "well done for Ship making that audioboo after" and i'm like what?

Now I don't dislike Ship, I actually really like him and think he adds alot to the show - but he's equal in this with Cheapy in my opinion.

[cleft5]

Yeah, it was really sad to see Wombat friends bashing on him like that. Obviously, it was his first time at E3 and he had to do work while there. Thinking about it now still makes me cringe. Kind of seemed like they where all embarrassed to be around Wombat. Not cool at all Cheapy and Shipwreck.

[dsheinem]

I also met Wombat for a bit at PAX East and though I didn't eat with him or anything, he seemed like a very nice and relatable guy in person. Y'all made him sound like an annoying little tag along...

Frankly, spending a week in close proximity with anyone (whether you know them well or not) can be irritating. I'm sure that Wombat could have revealed a slew of annoying things Cheapy and Ship were doing at the show as well.

That said, I did find the piling on to be somewhat amusing in the same way that I remember chuckling when Howard Stern used to pile on insults to his crew (which he did regularly back when I listened to him on FM radio). Cheapy, you're a big Stern fan - do you think that Stern's influence had anything to do with how you treated the situation?

I think in fairness that each of the next two shows should explore Cheapy and Ship's character flaws and annoying habits. :)

[danny8k]

Finally finished the main show. Kinda annoyed with the ribbing that Cheapy gave Wombat. I met Wombat at PAX East and he was super cool to me. But to return to my main point, Cheapy's comments about not knowing Wombat well really escapes me. Do none of the years of conversations and previous meetups mean nothing? I doubt Cheapy knows more about these "friends" he mentions on the show more than Wombat. Judging people by how much you see them in person is hypocritical to me. You don't need to be involved with someone everyday to be your friend.

Cheapy, making jokes is fine but give Wombat some respect.

Completely agree. Even if Cheapy really felt like that, there was no need to say that to Wombat. You can tell Wombat was a little bit shocked to hear that. It really set the mood for the rest of the show.

[rbaron321]

Wombat - Remember that you rock!!!

[PoorRichard]

If I was in Wombat's position, I would have left in the middle of the show. Keep your head up Wombat.

[MrGoodbye]

I think wombat was being a little hyper sensitive and probably what kicked off his insecurity was that cheapy started the show by saying he didnt really know wombat, which i can see as more hurtful than the rest of the comments, merely being examples of how little he knows wombat.

That was a nice way of putting it. I was just going to say that Wombat needs to grow some fracking balls.
This episode was so annoying that I wish Cheapy would release an edited version without all of Wombat's whining.

Note: normally, I enjoy listening to the CAGcast, but this specific episode was ruined by Wombat.

[SirMikael]

I just finished listening to the podcast, and it wasn't as bad as I had expected, from reading on here before listening.

However, Wombat is the reason I listen to the podcast, so I always support him!

[DragoonKnight]

I agree. I was expecting much worse from reading the comments. I don't blame Shipwreck at all for any of the comments he made. Cheapy's comments about not knowing Wombat were a bit out of line though. I don't really see how any of the other comments were that bad.

[usickenme]

I'd like to add something else: sounds like this was the first time Cheapy told Wombat about the "things that annoyed" him at E3. You three were together for an entire week, and you just now bring it up? Couldn't say it in person? Had to wait til you flew across the Pacific and talked via Skype?

.

Actually they mentioned the annoying stuff is something they talked/ joked about all week.

[PaddedCell]

Wow, the internet is so sensitive... who knew..?

[donkeydrop]

Sorry all you wombat-haters but Cheapy was really rude. It's not a question of having balls or whatever, you would have to be a sociopath not to be upset by someone you consider a friend acting that way.

Cheapy needs to cut down on the smoking; that will also fix the "voice" problems mentioned in the beginning (i.e. slurring like Rush Limbaugh on painkillers).

[raistlin]

Cheapy has always gave the impression that he's doing Wombat a favor by making him a part of the show and a part of the site. (Despite the fact that it was actually Wombat that came up with the idea in the first place for the cagcast). Cheapy has always made Wombat feel bad to some degree for not being able to afford to always buy games when they come out (which is part of the reason why Shipwreck was probably invited to join the show in the first place). (no offense shipwreck, your reviews are good) Not to mention God forbid if Wombat ever feels entitled to anything for being a part of the success of the show. Regarding that, Cheapy went out of his on an older show to say that his parents agree with him that Wombat shouldn't feel entitled to anything, which I thought was BS to talk about on the show as well.

Knowing all this, it comes as no surprise that Wombat was kind of outted on the latest podcast. I'm almost surprised it hasn't happened sooner frankly. Dare I say that Cheapy knows Wombat better then he leads on, and in fact knows exactly what to say to hurt his feelings. I don't think it's possible for anyone to be that insensitive, it was intentional.

On a side note: Shipwreck, clearly you were the victim of peer pressure from someone you respect, so don't feel too bad.

This is coming from an outsider not having met any of these guys. Take it for what you will.

[sickenmcsluggets]

Wombat is excellent, without him it DEFINITELY wouldn't be the cagcast. Even though there are now three people on the cagcast, Wombat still represents 50% of the entertainment I get out of the podcast.

[billyok]

Cheapy always bemoans his lack of human contact in Japan and lack of friends in general, but when you treat people this way, you can't be surprised when they stop giving a shit about you and move on to better friends. A lot of dick comments in general — and not just this episode, but over the last several months. But the part about not really knowing him is just cold, and it speaks more to Cheapy's complete social ineptitude than he and Wombat not being in each other's physical presence very often.

I don't think Shipwreck was so bad. He got caught in the middle because Cheapy made him a verbal meat shield, and he mostly pointed out behavior that probably merits pointing out (though probably not in a public forum).

Cheapy bashing the best friend he probably has and then exclaiming "what a downer" after Wombat didn't pop right back up — I guess other people's hurt feelings are an inconvenience to him — was just Grade A assholery. I've never mistaken you for a particularly likable guy, but I also didn't think you were THIS unlikable.

I hope Wombat sticks around, if only to keep his voice out there where lots of people will hear it. But if that isn't worth it to him, I'm sure he has a long, long list of people he'd be better off spending two hours a week with than Cheapy. With friends like you, who needs friends?

[retromufc]

Let's just face facts people. SleazyD has always been and will always be the worst part of this sites podcast. He thinks his schitck is funny when it clearly isn't. There are a couple of things that he is though and that is rude, crude, arrogant, and ignorant. I am eating up these comments. He's horrible.



I hope Wombat sticks around, if only to keep his voice out there where lots of people will hear it. But if that isn't worth it to him, I'm sure he has a long, long list of people he'd be better off spending two hours a week with than Cheapy. With friends like you, who needs friends?

If I were him I would get out now. This podcast isn't going to get him anywhere and that is too bad because he is a likable and entertaining host. He needs a good run out on a real podcast for a major website instead of CAG, he is too good for this and I am quite sure is the only reason anyone even listens. could you imagine a podcast with just Sleazy and Shitwreck? Sleazy is horrible and while Shit is ok he is very monotone. Without Wombat it's nothing.

[kalkin]

wombat i feel for you and i'm impressed you didn't just say fuck-it and log off.

there's teasing and then there's just rudeness. i would completely understand if wombat never returned to the podcast. "i don't even know the guy..." how can you say shit like that. obviously a touch of stern influencing you. you should weigh up what's important to you.

cheapy i've always loved you but you were really unlikeable. apart from abusing wombat you made a point of reminding us that you smoke weed. bravo my man. all your worst qualities came to the fore. seriously who are you trying to impress? certainly not your 'friend' wombat... this is a good example of why i preferred the 2 man show over the 3.

i feel like i want to unsubscribe (i wont yet) but jeez cheapy you are such an asshole...

[benjamouth]

I thought Cheapy and Ship were a bit harsh on Wombat.

Also Ship aren't you a Ginger ?
You shouldn't really be making fun of a "norm". There's a reason you carrot tops can't use our water fountains and have to sit at the back of the bus !!

[longhornFTW]

There's no harm in making fun of the annoying things Wombat does, but basically saying Wombat is a stranger and not really a friend is harsh. I don't get how Cheapy could think Wombat is a stranger when he's known Wombat for 5 years and Wombat (aside from Cheapy's family) is probably one of the people Cheapy speaks the most with during an average week.

I guess Cheapy and Shipwreck just think of Wombat as a guy they work with, and Wombat thought of Cheapy and Shipwreck as friends. Cheapy and Shipwreck can back track all they want, but it's already out there. What a rough way to learn where you stand. I feel for you Wombat, and if it's all just business, you should consider shopping yourself around to other podcasts.

At least you got a free trip to E3.

[PaddedCell]

If I were him I would get out now. This podcast isn't going to get him anywhere and that is too bad because he is a likable and entertaining host. He needs a good run out on a real podcast for a major website instead of CAG, he is too good for this and I am quite sure is the only reason anyone even listens. could you imagine a podcast with just Sleazy and Shitwreck? Sleazy is horrible and while Shit is ok he is very monotone. Without Wombat it's nothing.

Really? "Lets not talk about it anymore", to PC gamers, "if you want to play that game, buy a console"... These comments make a good host for video gamers? hes the best part of this show? wow you guys are reaching, I don't listen for anyone in particular, I listen to get reviews on games and get a different perspective on the industry. Hearing stupid remarks, and dont get me wrong, the "i dont like that, its stupid" comes from everybody on this show but its more mind numbing than it is informative. For those of you bashing on cheapy, which again I am sure hes taking it a hell of alot better than you sensitive trolls, if he wasnt doing this site there would be no collective place to find cheap games on a regular basis. Simmer down people, pull up your big people pants and get over it.

[granom]

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[ZombieJeebus]

Wow.

Wombat, I love you and what you do for the show.

But I find it hard to believe that someone that knows so much about what is manly (steak with bones) and what is not (sports that don't let you use your hands) would get so butt hurt over what is obviously just friends having some laughs.

Hopefully this is all getting blown out of proportion here in the comments, and next week's show will be back to Wombat doling out the insults and everyone is happy.

[Microshock]

I remember that CheapyD would frequently say that because he was in Japan, it was hard for him to find people to spend time with and talk with. And Wombat was there for him pretty much every week to do the show with him.

And I also remember that CheapyD SAID THAT HE HIMSELF WAS LOUD IN PUBLIC. At least while drunk.

By the way, what the fuck is so wrong with getting free schwag? How in any way does that affect your judgment on a game somehow? Shipwreck gets free shit all the time and frequently gets review copies. Unwritten rules of E3 my ass. Free stuff = free stuff.

Sounds like Cheapy is being a big hypocrite and trying way too hard to seem cool in front of his other E3 buddies.

[retromufc]

.. if he wasnt doing this site there would be no collective place to find cheap games on a regular basis. Simmer down people, pull up your big people pants and get over it.

What does the cagcast have to do with this site even? Nothing. This site is cheapassgamer yet there was almost never anything in any episode I listened to about gaming deals. Why do they even bother to attend E3, it has nothing to do with anything on this site? This podcast is not even in touch with the website that promotes it. You would think a podcast from a website focusing on how to get games for the lowest possible cost would somehow have the site's theme involved in it. The podcast is in no relation to the content on this site and is news I can get elsewhere. This site fills a niche and the podcast does not follow it. So why even listen?

I mean they scored an interview with a major player in Mass Effect 2 and this site has nothing to do with promoting games or gaming news. It's silly really. This podcast would fade away and still the site would be great. You just need to differentiate the quality of the site from the douchebaggery of the podcast host.

[the_void]

I always enjoy the CAGcast but damn Cheapy you were a real douche to Wombat. Form saying you don't really know him and then when he says his favourite part of the show was hanging with you and Ship, you basically went and said you didn't really like hanging with him and then you repeatedly called to Ship for back up. Not cool man.

[banodyne]

One of my favorite episodes of the CAGcast. Wombat is a great member of the show but he's always been cocky. It's not good or bad. That's just his personality. And the we all love to see a cocky guy taken down a peg once in a while. He'll be back to form next week.

[ryemm]

What's sad is you guys put a ton of work into that cagcast, but all most people will remember is the cag-fight. Next time hit the pause/edit button and air that stuff out in private.

[Swoxx]

One of my favorite episodes of the CAGcast. Wombat is a great member of the show but he's always been cocky. It's not good or bad. That's just his personality. And the we all love to see a cocky guy taken down a peg once in a while. He'll be back to form next week.

You need to see the difference between taking cracks at each other for fun and being straight out hurtful. Some of the stuff with wombat being a schwaggrabber and stuff was fine, but calling him annoying, bitchy and not enjoyable to be around after first saying "i don't really know you and i don't really like you" isn't fun for anyone, especially when you're being ganged up on. People who found those comments funny just don't possess empathy or are just douche bags.

Wombat always take humorous comments against him well, but this was as i said, just hurtful and over the line.

[collipop]

What's sad is you guys put a ton of work into that cagcast, but all most people will remember is the cag-fight. Next time hit the pause/edit button and air that stuff out in private.

How did they put a ton of work in? All they did was talk about what they saw at the show, I cant see how this is anymore work than a normal cast.

[usickenme]

How did they put a ton of work in? All they did was talk about what they saw at the show, I cant see how this is anymore work than a normal cast.

Have you ever edited a 3 hour podcast? It's a pain

[DarkNessBear]

It's not really the comments ON the show that made it over the top. It was their actions during the trip. Not sitting with him, constant criticisms ect. were enough to make anyone feel insecure when they get back. Then add a CAGCast where your fears are basically confirmed, having two of your supposed friends antagonize you for an hour about how you werent really wanted.

Shipwreck would agree with anything CheapyD says. And it's funny how Cheapy always criticizes Wombat for taking free stuff and being cheap, when the site is called CheapAssGamer AND Cheapy got a free fricken 360... and Wombats not the one making over six figures sitting at home. Let the guy take any free crap he wants.

Also, when the question was asked "Best game of E3?" I awaited Ships answer of an obscure game that is not that good. And he says, Vanquish! Of course. Even when CheapyD says, "Yea Gears of Wars with Robots..." ship says, "yea...." like the only reason he chose it was to be different.

[TheH2s]

I always enjoy the CAGcast but damn Cheapy you were a real douche to Wombat. Form saying you don't really know him and then when he says his favourite part of the show was hanging with you and Ship, you basically went and said you didn't really like hanging with him and then you repeatedly called to Ship for back up. Not cool man.

Don't forget the story about Wombat going to sleep and asking Cheapy to wake him up so they all can go to the Halo Reach party and conveniently Cheapy says he "...forgot", and then him and Shipwreck go to the event. What a freakin bummer for Wombat.

[lokizz]

Don't forget the story about Wombat going to sleep and asking Cheapy to wake him up so they all can go to the Halo Reach party and conveniently Cheapy says he "...forgot", and then him and Shipwreck go to the event. What a freakin bummer for Wombat.


damn thats some shady fucked up shit right there. cheapyqueef why even invite someone to go somewhere with you if thats how youre going to treat them?if that was the tone for the whole e3 trip then yeah its pretty obvious cheapyqueef like shipwreck more but instead of being a man about it he goes out of his way to pick on him more and then tell everyone at cag that he does using a lame excuse to suport it.

id be curious to hear from everyones wives about this whole thing. i can pretty much uess what wombats wife would say but idbe curious how the other 2 guys wives feel about their husbands actions.

[syd411]

Gotta say: holy crap with the dumping on Wombat. It really takes a level of confidence to stick your neck out and say something like "my favorite part of the show was hanging out with you guys". Then to have the person you say that too go into a tirade of how they are irritated by you. Man, have a touch of empathy Cheapy.

[KillingMachine]

While I have nothing against Wombat, it's hard for me to feel sorry for him in this situation. He always seems game to ridicule other people. If he can't take it, he shouldn't be dishing it out so often. We're talking about the guy who used to call Major Nelson "Vagina Clown".

[Clarke]

Wow Wombat sounds annoying as hell in person.

[shipwreck]

Also, when the question was asked "Best game of E3?" I awaited Ships answer of an obscure game that is not that good. And he says, Vanquish! Of course. Even when CheapyD says, "Yea Gears of Wars with Robots..." ship says, "yea...." like the only reason he chose it was to be different.

Maybe you were at E3 and played Vanquish, I'm not sure, but I don't remember talking to anyone there that said the game is "not that good". Maybe it doesn't interest you, but out of all the games I played at E3, I had the most fun with Vanquish. It's got pedigree too as it's being directed by Shinji Mikami (the man with a big role in Resident Evil, Viewtiful Joe, Devil May Cry, etc.).

Thank you for commenting on something other than the debacle though.

[AleetPanda]

Wombat need to lighten up. You shouldnt take passing comments so seriously. You ruined the mood just to draw attention to yourself. Friends get on each other every once in a while, deal with it. Pouting makes you look (sound) insecure and pitiful.

[Tybee]

I've been listening to the CAGcast from the very beginning (when I started, I think you only had 10 shows in the can). And I can safely say that in all that time, I have never been as disgusted as I was listening to this episode. I was somewhat prepared, having caught Shipwreck's Audioboo beforehand, but nevertheless, it was hard to endure.

As a CAGcast veteran, I expect a certain amount of ribbing on the show, but this was beyond the pale and really just turned into an ugly, unrelenting (and unprovoked) personal attack on Wombat. Shipwreck was relatively restrained (and still apologized immediately after the show), but Cheapy's behavior was truly reprehensible. I wouldn't blame Wombat a bit if he never appeared on the show again, but I know he has more class than that. Not so sure about Cheapy at this point. Wombat asks you flat out to stop and tells you that you've seriously hurt his feelings (at one point he sounded on the verge of tears) and you just plow ahead and berate him for being too sensitive and make sure he knows just how little you think of him. This in response to him telling the two of you what a great time he had on the trip and that the highlight was spending it with you guys. WTF? Who does that? First class assholes, that's who.

If I spent my time telling my friends the exact limits of my feelings for them and that I'd rather be hanging out with someone else, I'd fully expect them to kick me in the nuts and walk away. Cheapy, maybe being so isolated in Japan has made you emotionally tone deaf, or maybe we're just seeing a darker side to your personality that was always there, but either way, you really need to take a step back and reassess. Because if you keep treating people like they don't mean much to you, you're gonna wind up alone.

[GaryZero]

I too felt bad for Wombat but I thought it mostly came from Cheapy. Maybe spending three long days together gets on your nerves, it happens to the best of us. Wombat bullies Shipwreck on just about every show though too so I think you guys are even and glad to hear you're all buds.

Also Cheapy, Wombat is just as much your friend as a friend you see in person. You've been talking to him for years on this podcast. I'm pretty damn sure you know him better than anyone else.

[Ivanhoe]

Great cagcast!! One of the best actually.
I think wombat was just a little more sensitive then usual.

[MaskedPlague]

Wow Cheapy, that was really classless. Who shit in your Cheerios? Maybe it's time for you can replace Wombat with one of your many friends like Jean Snow or Major Nelson.

[bgame2]

While I have nothing against Wombat, it's hard for me to feel sorry for him in this situation. He always seems game to ridicule other people. If he can't take it, he shouldn't be dishing it out so often. We're talking about the guy who used to call Major Nelson "Vagina Clown".


This is exactly what I was talking about a few pages back in my comment. Wombat is so important and so much smarter than everyone else that he dominates the air time and believes he is entitled to make unilateral determinations as to what topics will be discussed and for how long they will be discussed.

He seems completely unaware of how rude it is when he cuts ship or cheapy off. He could care less about calling Major Nelson a "Vagina Clown". And, he mocks the listeners (by way of reading their comments obnoxiously on the air). The point is when he has a captive audience or no one can respond, he has no remorse about being rude, yet when the tables are turned, he turns into Mr. Sensitive.

On a side note, Shipwrecks thanking someone for commenting on something on "other than the debacle" was probably funnier than anything that was said during the entire show.

[jkanownik]

Also, when the question was asked "Best game of E3?" I awaited Ships answer of an obscure game that is not that good. And he says, Vanquish! Of course. Even when CheapyD says, "Yea Gears of Wars with Robots..." ship says, "yea...." like the only reason he chose it was to be different.

Many sites put Vanquish in the list of best of show nominees. When asked at the party what the best game they had seen so far was both Wombat and Shipwreck answered Vanquish independently. There was no clear cut game that blew others away, so I wasn't surprised to hear this. Both my wife and I thought Epic Mickey was the best game we saw.

Wow Wombat sounds annoying as hell in person.

My wife (who has never listened to a CAGcast) thought Wombat was very nice when she met him at the party. We talked to him off and on for about an hour, so we know him better than Cheapy now.

I'm only 1:15 minutes into the CAGcast, so I haven't reached the meltdown yet. I guess my ride home will be interesting.

[jb_25]

Nice show this week!

[Broken Cage]

This is exactly what I was talking about a few pages back in my comment. Wombat is so important and so much smarter than everyone else that he dominates the air time and believes he is entitled to make unilateral determinations as to what topics will be discussed and for how long they will be discussed.

He seems completely unaware of how rude it is when he cuts ship or cheapy off. He could care less about calling Major Nelson a "Vagina Clown". And, he mocks the listeners (by way of reading their comments obnoxiously on the air). The point is when he has a captive audience or no one can respond, he has no remorse about being rude, yet when the tables are turned, he turns into Mr. Sensitive.

On a side note, Shipwrecks thanking someone for commenting on something on "other than the debacle" was probably funnier than anything that was said during the entire show.

Seriously, if Wombat reading your comment with a stupid voice upsets you, YOU need some thicker skin. (And I'm speaking as a listener that he has mocked.) Also, if you can't tell the difference between calling a public figure a Vagina Clown and having someone you consider a friend say they don't really know you, then you need a lesson in Apples and Oranges.

There's a major difference between making jokes at someones expense and saying hurtful things without a punch line. Still, it looks like they all worked it out. So the CAGCast will continue, and that's good.

[Scooby]

Wombat's personality has little to do with this. I listen to tons of podcasts, and can find irritating sides to any of my favorite hosts, including Wombat. Yes, he tends to be a bit bossy. A few weeks ago, his statement that the cagcast would never, ever discuss kinect again if it cost $150 was beyond silly, but he was dead serious about it. Annoying, but not a mortal sin. And yes, he can dish it out pretty good, but it's always in good fun, even if it rubs some people the wrong way.

But Cheapy's words were not mocking, they were hurtful, whether or not he realized it at the time. Now, Cheapy's not a bad guy, so I'm ready to give him the benefit of the doubt - to some extent. I would expect a profuse apology next week, and it better be sincere. I'm sure he's feeling pretty bad about it right now.

Cheapy, if you're reading this, there's a lesson to be had; you have better friends than you thought you had. Wake up! You should cherish this instead of belittling it.

[retromufc]

Wow Cheapy, that was really classless. Who shit in your Cheerios? Maybe it's time for you can replace Wombat with one of your many friends like Jean Snow or Major Nelson.

You used Cheapy and classless in the same sentence, that is something you never see.

[sublime90]

this is going to be an interesting CAG cast next week when cheapy says...so comments on last weeks show lol 200 some odd posts hating on him.

[sdp]

Overreacting much everyone?

Wombat was way too "emotional" about it, he obviously hasn't gotten to know Cheapy over the past 5 years of podcasts. It didn't take me many shows to realize what an asshole Cheapy is, he's obviously a very selfish person, he'd be someone I'd like to hang out with but not be friends with. He's demonstrated this MANY times through out the years for Wombat to be surprised that he doesn't consider him a friend, this isn't the first time he's done it. In fact I'm surprised by all the feedback this is getting since IIRC Cheapy was a much bigger douche to Wombat in the pre-100 cagcasts, in fact the past 100 episodes I feel he's lightened up on Wombat a lot. I remember thinking Wombat would likely leave any day back in the older shows because of Cheapy, and I even stopped using the CAG amazon links so amazon would not give Cheapy any money from my purchases. So yeah, Cheapy has never appreciated Wombat for him to have gotten THAT hurt during the cagcast, its something he should already know, Cheapy is an asshole this is nothing new.

I can also relate somewhat to Cheapy , I can bepretty loud but in the right situations, I definitely don't want someone loud embarrassing me in front of others in something that is important to me which is what likely Cheapy felt with Wombat at E3. So yeah I can see myself being annoyed with Wombat being there if I wanted to be seen as not a joke at E3. I'd also be pretty pissed if someone took food of my plate, and yeah I think its fair game for it to be mentioned on the cagcast.

As for the free swag from E3, well I can see how its an unwritten rule for press sites that have a reputation but come on this is CHEAPASSgamer, this is somehting that Cheapy seems to forget. Sure the site made him a lot of money but the site is built on people who are cheap and love free stuff. CAG isn't a reputable gaming website, its a deals website, in fact CAG doesn't really need to be at E3 as "press" for any real reason besides fun. Had I gone as "press" I would have definitely gotten a ton of free swag. With that said I think its fair game that if you grab the swag, for you to be called out on it, nothing wrong with what cheapy did but there was also nothing wrong with what Wombat did, this isn't IGN and its no different than Cheapy getting a 360.

So yeah in conclusion:
Cheapy has always been an asshole no reason for Wombat to get all emo about it.

[killthemall4444]

When everyone on the show takes jabs at each other it's usually hilarious. But it was taken to a really uncomfortable level this week with the pile on Wombat.

The whole "liked" instead of "love" thing was so awkard it become hysterical though.

Next week's show should be very interesting.

[killthemall4444]

We're talking about the guy who used to call Major Nelson "Vagina Clown".Are you trying to say that Major Nelson is in fact not a "Vagina Clown"!?

[bgame2]

Seriously, if Wombat reading your comment with a stupid voice upsets you, YOU need some thicker skin. (And I'm speaking as a listener that he has mocked.) Also, if you can't tell the difference between calling a public figure a Vagina Clown and having someone you consider a friend say they don't really know you, then you need a lesson in Apples and Oranges.

There's a major difference between making jokes at someones expense and saying hurtful things without a punch line. Still, it looks like they all worked it out. So the CAGCast will continue, and that's good.

First off, the one time a comment of mine was read on the show, it was read by cheapy. My opinion has nothing to do with my own personal experience. I personally just find it immature that wombat can't read a listener's dissenting view without mocking the listener. It's not about me needing thicker skin, it is simply my opinion as an observer of wombat's behavior. Don't dish it out if you can't take it.

I do agree with your "public figure vs. friend" rationale, but I still think Wombat was too sensitive. Let's not lose site of the fact that this is still (at least in theory) part of cheapy's job. Cheapy paid to fly wombat there and put him up in a hotel as a sign of his friendship and to have his (and I use this term loosely) co-worker there. That has to count for something.

[Zark7]

I would expect a profuse apology next week, and it better be sincere. I'm sure he's feeling pretty bad about it right now.

I would expect to hear apologies too, but my guess is that Shipwreck will mean it, and Cheapy will just say it to appease everyone who thinks he should, not because its heartfelt. The fact that Cheapy hasn't posted a single thing in this thread about the issue sort of reinforces that for me. That and his lame Twitter post that was pretty weak and not really an apology. All of which will probably make next week's podcast just as awkward as this one.

[bingbangboom]

Honestly, I don't really think there would be a Cagcast without Wombat. He brings so much to the table including music during the Go Daddy ads. I mean, could you really listen to a Cheapy D & Shipwreck show? (No offense) Again, I think they didn't realize what they were exactly saying it when they said it. Wombat is sort of the main part of the show and I think most people know that. He does have really good ideas about the industry and knows how to explain them. If anything hopefully he will feel the love for next week.

I also wonder what the difference is with Wombat picking up swag from events vs. people at the Microsoft event getting a Xbox 360? Talk about buying the press, there was no real outrage for this. It is different than sending a reviewer copy of a game. I know Cheapy D said that he is giving away his Xbox, but my issue is more that there is a lack of anger from the "press". Between that and the "special events" to screen games, the entire videogame industry needs to reexamine what they are doing.

[magicdramatic]

Wow, poor Wombat. Him saying his favorite part of E3 was spending it with you guys and you shit on him for it. I love cagcast, but this was really cringeworthy and uncomfortable.

LEAVE WOMBAT ALONE

[sunnysky]

wow. What a "shit on wombat" podcast.
I can kind of see both sides of the story.
Wombat and Cheapy BOTH have a habit of saying the wrong thing at the wrong time.
I think they both need to learn that it is ok from time to time to follow the mtoto (if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all).
I'm not talking about ALL The time. I just think they would do Each other a lot of good to keep some things to themselves.
Like when Wombat totally bashed on the XBLA game that donated it's profits to charity.
And for Cheapy to say what he said this week, about the whole "friend" issue. Wow.

[FriskyTanuki]

And CheapyD is now the favorite in the running for Douchebag of the Year. Bobby Kotick needs to step up his game if he wants to win, and he killed off Infinity Ward, then tried to play the victim by comparing himself to Luke Skywalker with a PR fluff speech at DICE.

The second half at first sounded like it was taking place over the sound system at the Staple Center after hours.

[NotoriousCPD]

I've been a CAG for years but have never felt compelled to comment on a show thread before until now. I literally cringed several times for Wombat, especially the whole "I don't really know you" line from Cheapy. As someone else mentioned, you could tell that cut deeper than anything else that was said. Cheapy sometimes acts as if Wombat isn't even his friend. You don't have to hang out with someone all the time to know them. Sure Cheapy, you may not know all of Wombat's mannerisms in person, but to say you don't know the guy? Hell, I even know Wombat enough to know saying what you said would have hurt his feelings.

And it's not just Cheapy dissing Wombat, but his obvious man crush on Shipwreck. Granted, subtlety and Cheapy aren't commonly associated, but can you make it any more obvious Cheapy? Out with the old, in with the new? Wombat must have felt like the uncool tag along all week, and then he gets roasted and broadcasted for all of us to hear. That's embarrassing and Wombat deserves better. Not cool Cheapy and Shipwreck, not cool.

[Falion]

I would expect to hear apologies too, but my guess is that Shipwreck will mean it, and Cheapy will just say it to appease everyone who thinks he should, not because its heartfelt. The fact that Cheapy hasn't posted a single thing in this thread about the issue sort of reinforces that for me. That and his lame Twitter post that was pretty weak and not really an apology. All of which will probably make next week's podcast just as awkward as this one.Yeah, I don't think any apology by Cheapy would make things much better. By the end of the podcast, he was very much aware that his remarks hurt Wombat's feelings, and he didn't apologize at that point, so anything after that would be very disingenuous. I guess you gotta give him credit for being brutally honest, at least. :D

Shipwreck's apology was very sincere, and I doubt there will be any awkwardness between him and Wombat in the future. He was insensitive for piling on while Wombat was knocked down, but it was all pretty minor stuff. Cheapy, on the other hand, had a total Artie Lange "I'm not your bro" moment.

[DarkNessBear]

Maybe you were at E3 and played Vanquish, I'm not sure, but I don't remember talking to anyone there that said the game is "not that good". Maybe it doesn't interest you, but out of all the games I played at E3, I had the most fun with Vanquish. It's got pedigree too as it's being directed by Shinji Mikami (the man with a big role in Resident Evil, Viewtiful Joe, Devil May Cry, etc.).

Thank you for commenting on something other than the debacle though.
The only reason I have a problem with it, is because you said it! Haha, ok fine if you do truly like it then I'll back off. It just sounded random and was not adequately backed up. And yes I did play it at E3 and it was fun, but not the game of the show. Just giving you a hard time... and somehow you find my post buried beneath all of this Wombat love. Damn.

[Cheese]

Hey Cheapy D, y'know how you're always talking about how you go to E3 so you can get some human interaction? How your only interaction with people is over the internet? Yeah, it shows. You sounded like you were flaming some guy on an internet forum, not someone you've built a relationship with over five years. Too much internet, not enough real life. It's damaged the part of your brain that controls social interaction.

I don't think Wombat needs to quit the show, I think you do. Take some time off and learn how to, I dunno, speak the language of the country you've lived in for five years? At least find a group of Westerners to hang out with, you need to relearn how to interact with humans. You live in (or at least near) Roppongi, it's gaijin central, go outside and make a friend.

[kube00]

nice show guys!