CAGcast #208: C*********s 101

[CheapyD]

15060[/IMG-L]Lonesteban (http://twitter.com/lonesteban), Producer at Grasshopper Manufacture (http://www.grasshopper.co.jp/en), joins the gang for a discussion on his job, ethics in game blogging, Dragon Quest IX, the latest gaming and shopping news, your CAGbag (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71382) and Twitter (http://www.twitter.com/cheapyd) questions and so much more!

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Show Linkage/Notes (click the button below to expand):
Intro: Kissy Klassroom Mix (http://soundcloud.com/urchins/urchins-klassroom-mix-for-kissy-sell-out-radio-1)

The Video Game Release List of 8/7 - 8/13 (http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/65040)

NHL 11 Will Sell You 93 156 Different Powerups (http://kotaku.com/5606823/nhl-11-will-sell-you-93-different-powerups)

Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light will not have online co-op until Sept. 28 (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/08/06/lara-croft-and-the-guardian-of-light-will-not-have-online-co-op/)
Call of Duty: Black Ops multiplayer vid reveals recording, editing (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/08/09/call-of-duty-black-ops-multiplayer-vid-reveals-recording-editi/)
Bioware asks community for ME2 feeedback (http://www.giantbomb.com/profile/kitae/heavy-weapons-in-mass-effect-2-3/30-57755/)

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[DarkZion]

I've been waiting for this for hours now. Can't wait to listen!

[Twig]

Good timing I was in need of my CAGcast fix.

[JMEPO]

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeetahhhhh.

EDIT: 4 voices?!? That's just insanity.

[Fuzi0n]

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

[fredy182]

yay for Big ASS Chains!!!

[menikmati]

CAGcast FTW.

[ChuckNoLuck]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....

[menikmati]

Respect for CheapyD & the gang on their views on the XBLA glitch.

[KingBroly]

Microsoft WILL ban people who resort to it. If you remember there was a glitch involving a soccer game last year (I want to say it was FIFA) that allowed people to get free DLC from the marketplace. Everyone who got DLC for free from that glitch got banned (although I don't know if it was temporary or permanent).

Another problem I have with this situation is that now people will try this method with different game combinations. I believe a slippery slope has been started, and while it may not lead to anything, it very well could.

Also, the biggest "New IP" this generation is Wii _____. I believe each game in the series has sold between a ton and 'holy hell, that's a lot'!

[thwak]

Esteban was dead on when he said that the ultimate team seemed like a facebook game, because it was developed by a facebook game developer.

Right after EA purchased playfish, the ultimate team stuff started to be patched into EA's biggest sports titles. Not only that, but on facebook you can play FIFA Superstars which literally is the same thing as FIFA ultimate team except with simmed matches instead of player controlled matches.

So if you want to play some FIFA ultimate team, and see how the ultimate team system works, just go here (http://www.facebook.com/fifasuperstars).

[xlaxparkax]

Kudos on the show, guys. I took my copy of Raiden Fighters Aces and looked at the credits to see if Esteban's name was in it. With that said, thanks to Esteban for bringing this under-appreciated franchise to the current generation of consoles, or at least for having some sort of role in bringing this compilation to America.

My thoughts on your ethics discussion: I'm a big fan of arcade, fighting, and old school games, and I must say I was really bummed to see this covered on Kotaku and Joystiq. Hopefully, everyone who downloaded those titles will get banned from Xbox Live. As someone who grew up playing most of their games in the arcade, I must say it is sad to see the sudden spike that company took and how they've been struggling to stay out there for the last ten years or so. Not only this affects their remuneration, but also the quality of their products. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the issues with their last year's big release were related to their inability to make a profit out of one of their most important IPs. Yeah, I might be a huge nerd, but I do wonder what could happen if those companies who cater to a more niche market (like the one involved in this glitch) barely managed to keep their sales numbers at an acceptable level. They're already at a disadvantage, especially now where everything seems to be geared towards a more "casual" audience, and it is upsetting to see this company having to deal with this when they're already having a hard time making ends meet.

As menikmati said, my respects and admiration to you guys for making an exemplary statement and speaking your minds about what's fair in this not-so-fair business. Thanks for always taking the higher road when dealing with such delicate issues.

[faceturd]

awesome... early morning work just got a lot more bearable.

[redroversk]

Can't wait to toss a satchel charge on Cheapy in SR3.

[retrovertigo]

Good show so far!

I really want to check out Monday Night Combat, but I have so many games still to finish that. (I've just now gotten around to Limbo.) Maybe I'll get around to Lara Croft by the time they patch the online multiplayer!

[MIGGO]

Thank the Gods for this one. My normal radio show is on vacation and I've been dying for something to listen to while at work.

[hlaalumaster9]

Another thing I'd say about the XBLA glitch is that when a casual user sees something like that on a legitimate site, it makes them think it's an okay thing to do. The people who pirate games are going to do so regardless, but putting info like this on legitimate sites makes the more law-abiding gamer think it's not against the rules. It'd be like going to Gamestop and seeing a pirated copy of a game on the shelf.

You'd also think somewhere like Kotaku and Joystiq would have more respect for their readers than to show them how to do something with possible major repercussions like getting banned. Common sense should prevail, but there is a certain amount of trust people place in these kind of sites. If you saw an article "How to level up faster in RDR" on Joystiq and were interested in that game, you'd probably follow what they said without realizing that they're telling you how to exploit a glitch and could possibly get your account suspended or banned. Pretty irresponsible of them to not at least mention "by the way, this is a glitch and may get you banned from Xbox Live so do not attempt."

[soliddragon]

DUDE, seriously, listening to this now, and WHAT's with all the food eating and plate clanging?! I thought you ran a professional shop here Cheapy?! I swear I heard you opening a food bag or some shit, eating/talking with a full mouth and then putting a plate away!

But seriously, that ish is crazy distracting and a lil irksome.

[thwak]

The thing that annoys me the most about the joystiq article is this: Justin McElroy appeared on the CagCast (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/?f=2044) questioning the ethics of sites that send people to cover events like captivate in Hawaii, and yet the site he works for publishes a story on how to pirate 5 video games from xbox live. I don't get it, how one site can view sending people to cover an event in hawaii as a free vacation and unethical, but posting a news story and linking to a site that tells you specifically how to pirate games is ok. The ethics of this are just baffling.

With kotaku I understand, because gawker media in general has no ethics. Joystiq however, should have known better.

[soliddragon]

Just an FYI on the Xbox Live demo glitch. It DOESN'T permanently unlock the games. Without saying too much, once the Demo is patched, essentially the door will be closed.

[x caponed x]

I feel like Shipwreck would enjoy SC2. There really isn't any reason to hate it, unless you watched the commercials and expected a FPS. There was an article on IGN written by some guy who despises RTS, and he seemed to really enjoy the single player. On the easiest difficulty, the enemies shoot blanks at you, so there really isn't any difficulty to worry about.

[evil_twin]

estaban was annoying

[Curufinwe]

@ Cheapy:

It's Lara Croft, not Laura Croft. :)

[alphabrian]

Cheapy suure makes his guests (and listeners) feel comfortable with them mexican jokes!

[PhaperPlane]

I've listening to the CAGCast for quite a while now and I appreciate the work you do. However, I didn't enjoy this episode for some odd reason, it could have been the talk about Vagina's. Anyway this was a weird episode in my opinion.

[apathylad]

I found myself enjoying Castlevania HD for some reason. I beat Demon's Souls last month, so I think that may have something to do with it. You're expected to die and retry levels, but you generally get stronger each time and get access to new weapons/abilities/spells etc. The reviews for the game have been pretty mixed.

Speaking about games with grinding, I've put over 24 hours in Dragon Quest IX, and I think I'm close to the games' end. Unfortunately, I've had some trouble with the current boss, so I may have to do some leveling in the meantime.

I skimmed through the comments on Joystiq, and most people there didn't seem to take issue with the Xbox Live/SNK glitch story being published. I did find this quote from the article a bit ironic:

Joystiq tested the exploit with Garou and KOF '98, and can verify that it works...just because you can get these games for free doesn't mean you aren't a major jerk for doing so.

So Joystiq just admitted to being full of jerks? o_O


Anyway, ever since CheapyD's appearance on Flower, Sun, and Podcast I started listening to it regularly. I really enjoyed Killer 7 :twoguns: and No More Heroes, so it's nice to have Esteban on the show. Too bad the only way to play Fatal Frame 4 is to import the game and do some softmodding stuff. :bomb:

[WankerJist]

I liked Esteban on this CAGcast. I also enjoyed the call-in show a few episodes ago with the woman from Bioware - loving the fact that game developers, publishers, and everyone else in the industry is reaching out to the ever-expanding game community.

On original IP: there seems to be a lot more experimental IP from mainstream publishers on portable systems than there is on the other consoles. Half-Minute Hero and Scribblenauts comes to mind.

Also, second the commuting power of Dragon Quest IX: the worst part of my workday is now the most fun part :)

[dc_fortythree]

awesome show. the last 2 (or however many since the catalyst for kazoo) have felt pretty flat. not sure what it was but to me the chemistry/banter felt a little off and sometimes forced. in this episode it really sounded like you guys were having a good time recording. maybe it was the addition Esteban or just that cheapy had someone physically there to keep him focused (for the most part :-), but all in all it worked for me. thanks for the show and website.

[usickenme]

Estaban was great. I believe he was in the room as Cheapy, no? I wish the guys would've given him a little more room to talk (**ahem Wombat**). He had some great points that we haven't heard 10 times before (**ahem Wombat** ;)

Is anyone really surprised about Joystiq? At it's root, it's a blog not some bastion of journalistic integrity (despite how they act).

[RichMeisterMan]

Alright so check this out, Cheapy. Today's guest and you winning that Saint's Row 3 auction got me thinking...

When Child's Play charity roles around this coming holiday season why not throw in an auction for a guest spot on the CAGcast.

[Dr Killotron]

This was the third cagcast in a row where Wombat made some comment suggesting that he’d slept with an outstandingly large amount of women back in his single days. Please stop it. It’s creepy.

[Earmuffin585]

Halo 3 theater was not that bad.

[apathylad]

This was the third cagcast in a row where Wombat made some comment suggesting that he’d slept with an outstandingly large amount of women back in his single days. Please stop it. It’s creepy.

I read that as "outstandingly large women". :lol:

[Wombat]

I read that as "outstandingly large women". :lol:

that is also probably closer to the truth

[RchrdJ]

While I do agree that showing your readers exactly how to get the games that Modern Warfare 2 unlocked, I believe that the story was newsworthy. One of my fellow editors over at our site published an article about it, but did not link to anything that would describe how to unlock the games. He also hoped that it would be resolved quickly, and that the company does not need to be losing any money especially in the situation they are in.

On the contrary to this, having to explain myself makes me feel unsure about whether or not what we did was right. Despite this I'm still going to stand by the post and not have it deleted.

Also, this article was clearly visible in my blog (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/blog.php?b=16122), on the front page of the blogs. Why was it not deleted? I'm just curious as to why threads about it were deleted, but not my blog. Does this further prove how little the blogs are checked, lol?

Anyway, great show once again. Shipwreck needs to go play Starcraft 2!

[desz]

Good show, kept me sane this morning during the 2 hour drive to work. I thought Esteban was one of the best guest on CAG. He really fit in with the crowd and really opened my mind up about Japanese girls. Apparently, Japanese girls like Mexican guys and that is good news. Now I understand why Esteban works for Grasshopper, he must go through tons of bushes on a daily.

[reg0later]

Would you guys feel the same way about the glitch story, if amazon or other site accidentally put a game for sale @ $.01 and was honoring the sales would cag not run the story?

[Mahoney07]

Rainbow Six 3 did lean on consoles very well

And the game was amazing on xbox live

[ShinAkumA21]

First of all i would like to say i love eating hamburgers and playing basketball. I do love my Japanese games especially their RPG, but i don't think i enjoy Castlevania HD simply because it Japanese made. Castlevania HD doesn't even have a story and what i like most about Japanese games are their crazy ass storyline. I'm just a Castlevania Fan i love the art work and all of the Old School & DS games.

So when i heard i could play a 6 player Co-oP Castlevania game i was hype. i knew it wasn't going to be the best Castlevania game from the beginning with just 6 stages and a 15 dollar price tag, but i'm enjoying it, it not too hard to level up your sub-weapons and easy enough to dodge enemies simply by just learning their pattern.

P.S Japanese Girls are Nicer then White Girls it's a Known FACT! :lol:

[shipwreck]

Would you guys feel the same way about the glitch story, if amazon or other site accidentally put a game for sale @ $.01 and was honoring the sales would cag not run the story?

We absolutely don't frontpage glitch sales and we often contact the retailers if a thread in the deals forum has a sale that doesn't seem on the up & up.

@RichardJ I edited your blog post to remove the story. It's simply a case of us not seeing it. We can't read everything.

[CaptainJoel]

Good show guys! I really enjoyed hearing a guest on again! You guys should have Christina Norman on again! I love her!

[kashwashwa]

I also enjoyed the guest on the show...

I seriously think Shipwreck should get Starcraft 2 as well, and give it a fair shake - the single player campaign is just so much fun. If I remember correctly shipwreck really liked some Robopocalypse DS game that I think was somewhat of an RTS.


Also add me to the list of huge fans of Raiden Fighter Aces.

[Chronis]

Awesome, i just downloaded this and I'll catch a listen later on. It'll be nice to hear Esteban on the CAGcast since I've been listening to Flower, Rain, And Podcast now that i know it exists! :lol:

[shipwreck]

I also enjoyed the guest on the show...

I seriously think Shipwreck should get Starcraft 2 as well, and give it a fair shake - the single player campaign is just so much fun. If I remember correctly shipwreck really liked some Robopocalypse DS game that I think was somewhat of an RTS.


Also add me to the list of huge fans of Raiden Fighter Aces.

That's right, I did like Robocalypse. That was about my top speed on RTS. Starcraft 2 is going to be enjoyable then?

[Midguy]

great show

[kashwashwa]

That's right, I did like Robocalypse. That was about my top speed on RTS. Starcraft 2 is going to be enjoyable then?

I'm guessing you mean Robocalypse had as much difficulty / 'multi-tasking' as you wanted to do?...

By the looks of it it's a pretty stripped down RTS, but Starcraft 2 is by no means overwhelming (If you play on easy in particular you can pretty much walk through the campaign - Normal is definitely a perfect balance I find). In particular though, there are a number of levels where you control just several units for the entire mission which are extremely creative and fun.

I can't say for certain SC2 is going to be enjoyable for you, but as someone who isn't a huge RTS person - after having played it - I know the game just isn't something I would have wanted to miss.

[H4Y4TO]

Awesome CAGCast!!!

[Z_meista]

The vagina talk feels somewhat refreshing since the past CAGcasts have been all about poop. :LOL:

Esteban: "I have an S&M site."
Cheapy: "Really?!"

I can't believe Cheapy fell for it twice.

All in all, it was a good show.

[Monsta Mack]

New IP that sold well this year?

Darksiders.

[jkanownik]

That's right, I did like Robocalypse. That was about my top speed on RTS. Starcraft 2 is going to be enjoyable then?


http://pc.ign.com/articles/111/1111601p1.html
A self-confessed RTS hater sits down with Blizzard's latest. Can it turn him around on the genre?

[Hippie93]

Great show once again, and you should have guests on more often.

[ZombieJeebus]

About halfway through the latest cagcast so far. Esteban is great, have him on more often.

And cheers to the CAG cast crew for talking about the XBL glitch issue. It took me a minute after reading it on Kotaku "wait a minute, they are telling everyone how to steal these games".

Hopefully the poster from a few pages back is correct, and once the bug is fixed the door is closed and the downloads go back to being demos. Although the damage may well be done by then.

Can anyone out there explain in laymens terms how this bug can even happen? And how the heck did anyone find it?

[rybrad]

So did anyone else notice the title can spell out Cocksuckers 101? Before I listened, I thought for sure that was the title and they were going to rip on someone for being a huge asshole.

[Khalid]

Nice CAGcast, I am going to give a try to Esteban's podcast later.

[wageslave]

Cheapy - I used the CAGDOMAIN code today on godaddy to register my <firstname middlename lastname>.com, and appreciate the savings I got using the code. If you want a good incentive to get listeners to register a domain and use the codes, here's one: Just imagine how embarrassing it would be if your <full name>.com bounced to a depraved hard core porn website. If someone like my boss or a prospective employer Googles me, I definatley don't want a website about beastiality to be the first thing that shows up. :hot: This is one reason I already own a couple of the domains that are variations of <my real name>.com

Oh, and Esteban was a great guest, enjoyed listening to him!

[encendido5]

Cheapy, I'm surprised you took down the 360 glitch thread but not the other glitch threads where people scammed retailers. Remember the EA $20 coupon glitch?

Great show though! Esteban was a nice addition to the show.

[nateeasy29]

I think you guys talking about the arcade game glitch will lead to a lot of your listeners trying it. You didn't mention the titles, but they could figure that out with a quick google search. The CAGcast was the first I heard of the glitch.

[banodyne]

Respect for CheapyD & the gang on their views on the XBLA glitch. Agreed. Shipwreck's anger over this issue boosted my esteem of him. Right now, he's my favorite CAG.

Kotaku posting the full details how to steal these games should surprise no one. They're part of Gawker media, the sleaziest collection of websites on the net. Like Gizmodo buying the stolen iPhone 4 prototype. I stopped reading Kotaku because of their editorial policy. I'm saddened that Joystiq walked through the mud. They were my go to site for up-to-the-minute video game news. Now, based on your account, I think I'll bookmark Destructoid.

The small Japanese publisher might not be able to exclude them from big events but Micosoft certainly could... and should.

[JoeX111]

Adding Shipwreck to the show was a stroke of genius, but I have to say, throwing Esteban into the mix seems to have made the CAGcast perfect. This was easily the funniest episode I've heard in a while, but more important is that somehow Esteban's presence completely eliminated any awkward pauses that have always plagued the show. Like after Wombat's long, thoughtful review of Dragon's Quest. In shows past, this would only elicit a "Right" from a can't-care-less Cheapy. Here, he threw in a joke (still showing he doesn't care, but whatever, we love him anyway) and things kept right on moving.

I think Esteban makes a good counterpart to Cheapy, just like Shipwreck and Wombat play off each other very nicely. The four of you together is unstoppable entertainment and I hope you bring him back (or make him a regular) very soon.

[banodyne]

EA's sleazy system of paying for cheats and stats boost is one of the reasons I refuse to buy EA games. As bad as Activision sometimes seems, EA retains its title as most evil game publisher. I'll play a copy of their games at a friend's house but they'll never get my money.

[RichMeisterMan]

EA's sleazy system of paying for cheats and stats boost is one of the reasons I refuse to buy EA games. As bad as Activision sometimes seems, EA retains its title as most evil game publisher. I'll play a copy of their games at a friend's house but they'll never get my money.

So you'll buy a new CoD game that's shoved out the door every year but you won't buy a game from EA because of something optional that they offer?

...Interesting.

[drew327]

I can't believe you mentioned the Mafia 2 demo and didn't talk about the boobs. I don't even know this show anymore!

[nickb492]

Hey Wombat what do you think of the Bioshock Infinite trailer? Looks like they took your advice and changed the environment to the sky. Do you think this change for the game is going to hurt or help the franchise? But anyways love the show and listen religiously ever week. Love Cheapy D and "Boat Crash" too.

[DarkZion]

I think I may be one of the few who didn't like having Esteban on the show. He isn't the reason why I didn't like it (I really enjoyed having him on), it's the fact that with 4 people it seems very chaotic and like not everyone gets to say what they want. It seemed like there was a 30 minute period in which it was just Wombat and Esteban were talking, Cheapy saying "yeah" after their comments and Ship just being absolutely silent. It doesn't seem to flow as well as just 3 people, despite there being fewer "awkward" pauses.

And I'm glad that you managed to make this an enjoyable CAGcast (lots of humor) because with such a slow week for gaming, I didn't think it would be that good.

[eliter1]

I think I may be one of the few who didn't like having Esteban on the show. He isn't the reason why I didn't like it (I really enjoyed having him on), it's the fact that with 4 people it seems very chaotic and like not everyone gets to say what they want. It seemed like there was a 30 minute period in which it was just Wombat and Esteban were talking, Cheapy saying "yeah" after their comments and Ship just being absolutely silent. It doesn't seem to flow as well as just 3 people, despite there being fewer "awkward" pauses.

And I'm glad that you managed to make this an enjoyable CAGcast (lots of humor) because with such a slow week for gaming, I didn't think it would be that good.


Agree, it almost seemed like Esteban had been podcasting with the CAG crew for a long time but sometimes Ship and Cheapy would stay quiet for a while. Really wish Esteban can be on the show again some time.

Hey Cheapy, you should try to throw a CAG reference in the voice work for Saints Row 3. Maybe something that doesn't give it away but only people who listen to the podcast would know where it's coming from.

[reddjoey]

Great show guys. I liked hearing Estabon chatting with the CAG crew. I'll check out his unofficial podcast later this week.

I saw the glitch floating around and was shocked when I saw it on Joystiq as well. I can understand that it is "news", but it definitely could have been edited a bit. Also, most of the comments on that post are against using it. I hope Joystiq addresses it in their podcast.

Secondly, I guess no one played Earthbound. They found a way to get smell into games.

http://starmen.net/merchandise/images/eb_cards1.png

The scratch and sniff cards came with the players guide (which came with the game). I seem to remember some adverts having these cards as well.

[hollitz]

Innocent robot humor is my favorite kind of humor.
Props to Ship for mentioning it!
Was also good to hear Ship get passionate. Not sure how I feel about the issue but I liked hearing Ship's journalistic integrity.

[iunder]

Esteban was a great guest. I will be checking out his podcasts.

[banodyne]

So you'll buy a new CoD game that's shoved out the door every year but you won't buy a game from EA because of something optional that they offer?

...Interesting.Sleazy optional. Like a guy offering his sister for a "date".

Though the Call of Duty games are annualized I'd hardly call them shoved out since, unlike say Madden, there's big differences between each release and the games are of high quality. Hell, look at this week's most played games list on Major Nelson (http://majornelson.com/archive/2010/08/10/live-activity-for-week-of-aug-2.aspx). Call of Duty holds the #1, 3, 4 spots. It's kind of insane when older entries in a series are still played that much.

[banodyne]

Cheapy, thanks the info about IMDB. I'm on there as a producer for a short film I did there a few years ago. A couple of years ago I worked on an indie film that's gone on to get a lot of awards. The movie listed the cast but not all of the crew so I was thinking of updating it.

[Curufinwe]

Though the Call of Duty games are annualized I'd hardly call them shoved out

I would

MW2 multiplayer has been a buggy, glitchy mess since launch and Activision is far more interested in selling map packs for an inflated price than fixing the bugs.

[LiK]

Great guest! Really enjoyed his appearance. Btw, was Cheapy eating during the show? How rude!

Wombat, the reason you love DQIX is because the producer said he was more inspired by Oblivion when they were working on the game. Maybe that's the reason? ;)

And Wombat's opinion about original IPs discussion during that discussion was spot on.

[PioRow]

Can someone refesh me with the name of Esteban's personal podcast, I cant remember the name or the point at which he mentions it.

Thanks

[usickenme]

The oddly named 'Call of Podcast'


http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/call-of-podcast/id343762175

[n4styn4t3]

I have no idea how there was absolutely no cross-talk at all on the podcast. With four cooks in the kitchen, you would think it inevitable. Great show this week though guys and Esteban was awesome.

[Swoxx]

So whats the uncensored title for this show? I'm going with c*ntlickers!

[scurvydlicious]

So whats the uncensored title for this show? I'm going with c*ntlickers!
Cunnilingus, which is the same as what you said ;)

Also, great show guys, and thanks for the godaddy coupon codes.

[Blackout]

Great show guys! This episode was really funny. Cheapy, you were killin' me with your Saints Row voices. Please try to get those in the game. Esteban was really good on the show. He seems like a real cool dude. You should have him on more often. He mixes well with you guys. I'll definitely be checking out his podcast.

Shipwreck, I agree with you on Mafia 2. I can't get excited about it. I played Mafia 1 several years ago and I thought it really sucked. It wasn't a good game. The driving was awful. I didn't even bother beating it. I was really surprised to see them making a sequel and seeing so much hype around it now, considering the first one was pretty lame.

As for the glitch story, the excuse that it's a news story so it had to be posted is just a big time cop out. Yeah it was a news story, but so is the announcement of a new Disney show DS game, but that doesn't mean it deserves a post (sadly, these sites do post those as well). They just covered the story wrong. You don't tell people exactly how to steal games. If they just had to post it, they should have left out names, the source link, and especially the method of going about it. Personally, I feel this story should not have been posted.

Kotaku once again proved they're a trash site. It must have been a slow news day and they couldn't find a celebrity holding a PS3 controller or something. I guess we finally found out what they're the "Gamer's Guide" to: stealing.

The Joystiq crew pretends to have some sort of journalistic integrity, but they're just like all the other blogs. McElroy is a hyprocite (as somebody in this thread pointed out earlier). The only thing these sites care about is page views. A post about how to get free games through a glitch is going to get a lot of page views.

It's good that Destructoid didn't post the story, but that doesn't excuse all the other terrible shit they post. They still suck ass.

As Wombat pointed out, I would love to see these guys do that to an EA, Activision, or Microsoft/Sony game. Like Wombat said, it would be down as fast as it went up. I don't think they would want to stop the exclusive stories, free trips, games, and game schwag from coming in. The company in question is an easy target, so who cares right? It'll give them another post and more page views if they ever file for bankruptcy. Then they can write a feature story on the fall of smaller game companies, asking just why is this happening? like they actually care.

Tomb Raider launching without online co-op is hilarious. A big time feature left out of the game for a few weeks is super weak. I don't think the game's going to do that well, even when it comes out for PS3.

[kermit1986]

Just wondering, what is the punishment for that glitch exploit?

I was told about the glitch by a friend, who showed me it on Metal Slug XX (at my house, on my tag). Feeling wrong about it after he left though, plus the fact it wasn't showing in my games list, and the fact I had fun playing the game and wouldn't mind owning it, I went and bought the game off the marketplace so I had it legitimately.

Since then I've come across some of these blog posts and mentions on various forums about the glitch, some are saying accounts get banned, some say that gamerscores get reset.

I'm just wondering if I'm likely to get punished? As the only game I tried it on, is now in my XBOX purchase history.

[Microshock]

First, Esteban's pretty cool. Keep him on.
Please stop Wombat from choosing the past show's comments. He always manages to ignore the best ones. Let Shipwreck get say in this as well or CheapyD.

Shipwreck, stop taking so LONG to explain something that CheapyD has to push you on faster and faster.

Also, the whole arcade trial glitching thing isn't that big of a deal to get annoyed about. It's not. It's crappy games that you can now get for free. So what?
Was it also bad when sites told you how to glitch the Just Cause 2 demo for infinite playtime?
Waa waa. Let's find something NEW to whine about on the cagcast

[morfar]

Hi

I totally and 100% agree with all you said in the episode about the whole XBLA glitch, and I really liked your discussion. However, i cant help but to feel a little irritated.

You guys regularly talk about how you abuse the 5x download feature on psn, to get extra copies for free. Sure, you dont tell people how to do it, but you talk about it on the show regularly(if not psn sharing, then .torrenting movies), which makes it more 'legit' to do - hey, if cheapyd is doing so, I can do it as well.

IMO that is kinda contradictory to the whole "support the gamecompanies" talk you gave us today.

And how do you justify dissing these websites talking about the glitch when you do the same on your show?

[volt1up]

^gamesharing isnt a "glitch" and has in the past been endorsed by official sony spokespeople. Totally different.


Although the tide does kind of seems to be turning with developers using workarounds to disable gamesharing.

[saunderscowie]

Great show. Subbed to Call of Podcast after listening to this too.

[Thomas96]

In response to the PS3 download issues, I'd just like to mention that every system has issues. When you're 360s were acting up, you were willing to put a towel over it and let it sit for an hour or two; you were willing to go through xbox after failing xbox before you got one that worked. If you were willing to go through all that to enjoy your xbox, then I don't see how its too much to be patient and let the PS3 complete its slow ass downloads of its Firmware. c'mon guys.... No one's complaining about having to pretend that NES carts were harmonicas in order to get them to work. We know its a flaw but we're not going to let those flaws keep us from enjoying the system.

[Duck in a Pond]

What a great CAGcast!!!

[jkanownik]

In response to the PS3 download issues, I'd just like to mention that every system has issues. When you're 360s were acting up, you were willing to put a towel over it and let it sit for an hour or two; you were willing to go through xbox after failing xbox before you got one that worked. If you were willing to go through all that to enjoy your xbox, then I don't see how its too much to be patient and let the PS3 complete its slow ass downloads of its Firmware. c'mon guys.... No one's complaining about having to pretend that NES carts were harmonicas in order to get them to work. We know its a flaw but we're not going to let those flaws keep us from enjoying the system.

360 issue - dead horse
PS3 issue - not a dead horse

Don't beat the dead horse. If the PS3 issue had already been beaten to death there would be no need to talk about it. If you're an adult that comes home from a long day of work and has limited time to enjoy a game in the evening the PS3 downloads are a major issue. It becomes especially noticeable if you do the majority of your gaming on the 360.

If it makes you feel any better World of Warcraft has the same issue. It's impossible to play that casually because you get prompted for a 1+ GB download every now and then.

[VivaGardner]

I just wanted to say hello and that I enjoy your shows. Keep up the good work.

[TheH2s]

I 100% agree with Shipwrecks reaction toward the XBLA glitch and the blogs posting the information. I mean I guess I knew those type of blogs would post just about anything they get their hands on but that seemed over the line. I expect this from Kotaku because they are slime but I guess I thought Joystiq was better than that.

[solipse]

I too was a bit surprised that Joystiq published the glitch. I'm not going to lie, I am tempted to try this glitch myself, but i like to think most other CAG members here, like myself, are genuine people and wouldn't support a way of "stealing" software.

Oh, and Estaban was a great addition as a supporting character.

[lonesteban]

Hey everyone! Thanks for the positive feedback on my cagcast appearance. You made me feel like a million bucks! Cheapy, Wombat, and Shipwreck are the bestest hosts ever.

[firehawk12]

I'm sorry, but Shipwreck's how to pay 50% less for Xbox Live games (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111265) thread is still up... and isn't that the same thing?

But yeah, it's very sketch either way.

[shipwreck]

I'm sorry, but Shipwreck's how to pay 50% less for Xbox Live games (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111265) thread is still up... and isn't that the same thing?

But yeah, it's very sketch either way.

Nope, that's completely within the intent and rules of the EULA of Microsoft XBLA games. It's not sketchy, it's knowing the rules of the DRM system that's in place on Live.

[Curufinwe]

Holy shit that guide's more complicated than some of my Econometrics textbooks from University.

Anyone who can follow that thru to the end deserves to get a half-price game.

[Microshock]

Nope, that's completely within the intent and rules of the EULA of Microsoft XBLA games. It's not sketchy, it's knowing the rules of the DRM system that's in place on Live.

Really? That's not sketchy? So basically giving another person a game for free is fine but using a glitch that's found online to get free games isn't? PSN gamesharing lets up to 4 other people get free games as well!

Uh huh. I think publishers sending you games non-stop is kinda of messing with your head.

Also, I think this is a fair time to criticize the "value rating system" for reviews.
How can you honestly rate a game with a cash value if you don't pay for it?

You don't feel any of the regret from buying a bad game and wasting the money. If I got something for free and didn't like it, i wouldnt say, i'd pay 5 bucks for it, i'd say "ITS A GOOD THINGS ITS FREE".
If a game is bad, it's bad. There should not be a cash value placed on it. You wouldn't buy some shitty food cause it's cheap as hell so what's the difference?

[firehawk12]

Nope, that's completely within the intent and rules of the EULA of Microsoft XBLA games. It's not sketchy, it's knowing the rules of the DRM system that's in place on Live.

Well, I don't think MS ever thought that two people would use it to share games, but fair enough.

I do agree that actually telling people how to get free SNK games was the really broken part. Although I wonder who SNK can go after in this case, if anyone.

[NickPedro]

Thanks for reading my question about the Japanese trains, Cheapy. I don't know what possessed me to write the word "shit" twice in my tweet to you but I guess it did make it sound all "street-like." It was hilarious that you were doing your Saint's Row voice acting right before you read it and it played right in. Made my day. Freaking hilarious! Great show as usual guys and stay gangsta.

[CheapyD]

You wouldn't buy some shitty food cause it's cheap as hell so what's the difference?McDonalds seems to be doing pretty well.

People have lower expectations from cheap food. Likewise, if you pay $10 for a game, you might be more likely to be satisfied by your purchase even if the game is mediocre.





You guys regularly talk about how you abuse the 5x download feature on psn, to get extra copies for free. Sure, you dont tell people how to do it, but you talk about it on the show regularly(if not psn sharing, then .torrenting movies), which makes it more 'legit' to do - hey, if cheapyd is doing so, I can do it as well.
Here's what SCEA president Jack Tretton told Wired right before PS3's launch:

"You can send that content to four other friends for that initial investment," said Tretton. "We want to get the game in as many hands as possible."

"It's not about generating profits at each and every interaction with the consumer," he said. "I think that really offsets the argument that says, 'Wow, that's a really pricey system.'"


http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2007/08/sony-disables-g/

[colkdry]

Hey Guys
This was an awesome show
Cheapy, your role of a street guy in saints row 3 was priceless
I'm buying the game just to hear what other ridiculous "street talk" you'll be saying.
KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK :D

[DarkZion]

Really? That's not sketchy? So basically giving another person a game for free is fine but using a glitch that's found online to get free games isn't?

You know what the difference is? One follows rules while the other directly violates them. At the end of the day, Ship's method still puts money in the developers pocket, whereas the glitch does not.

[Cokomon]

Great show guys. I noticed that Shipwreck was really on target the whole episode, both in his commentary of the XBLA Glitch coverage and just dispensing snappy and snarky comments throughout the episode. Everyone was great this show, I especially loved the running gag about how "Japanese girls are nicer."

Also, get Esteban back on sometime in the future, he was a great addition to the show. I'm not saying he needs to be a permanent fixture of the show, as it sounds like he is on enough podcasts already.

[RichMeisterMan]

Wombat, when you hijacked that question from Estabon about living in Japan as a Foreigner I think your mother would have smacked the piss out of you if she had been in the room.

Not only that, but you haven't lived in Japan! So what the fuck dude?!

[Cokomon]

Not only that, but you haven't lived in Japan! So what the fuck dude?!

True, but he's heard Cheapy talk and complain about it enough that he has vicariously lived there.

[Curufinwe]

Yeah, he was just making fun of Cheapy, not pretending he knows more about life in Japan than the guest who lives in Japan.

[n4styn4t3]

McDonalds seems to be doing pretty well.

People have lower expectations from cheap food. Likewise, if you pay $10 for a game, you might be more likely to be satisfied by your purchase even if the game is mediocre.




Here's what SCEA president Jack Tretton told Wired right before PS3's launch:

"You can send that content to four other friends for that initial investment," said Tretton. "We want to get the game in as many hands as possible."

"It's not about generating profits at each and every interaction with the consumer," he said. "I think that really offsets the argument that says, 'Wow, that's a really pricey system.'"


http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2007/08/sony-disables-g/

So SCEA is OK with it, but what about the devs?

[Wombat]

Wombat, when you hijacked that question from Estabon about living in Japan as a Foreigner I think your mother would have smacked the piss out of you if she had been in the room.

Not only that, but you haven't lived in Japan! So what the fuck dude?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5fd3pTM4sU&p=11209C704CA875D2&playnext=1&index=1

[LiK]

Wombat, when you hijacked that question from Estabon about living in Japan as a Foreigner I think your mother would have smacked the piss out of you if she had been in the room.

Not only that, but you haven't lived in Japan! So what the fuck dude?!


Haha, I asked that question. Wombat was just joking around and repeating what Cheapy said in previous podcasts. Estabon answered it at the end anyways and it was a good answer. It's all good. 8-)

[Thomas96]

360 issue - dead horse
PS3 issue - not a dead horse

Don't beat the dead horse. If the PS3 issue had already been beaten to death there would be no need to talk about it. If you're an adult that comes home from a long day of work and has limited time to enjoy a game in the evening the PS3 downloads are a major issue. It becomes especially noticeable if you do the majority of your gaming on the 360.

If it makes you feel any better World of Warcraft has the same issue. It's impossible to play that casually because you get prompted for a 1+ GB download every now and then.

When issues or problems come about with various systems.. you work around it. Having to wait for slow downloads once every blue moon doesn't make the system worthless or unplayable. The last update only took a couple of minutes... so it may not be as much of an issue anymore. When I come home from working, I'm going to enjoy my main system regardless of whatever issues it has. Just like 360 owners did when their system was having problems that were much more significant.

[Microshock]

McDonalds seems to be doing pretty well.

People have lower expectations from cheap food. Likewise, if you pay $10 for a game, you might be more likely to be satisfied by your purchase even if the game is mediocre.




Here's what SCEA president Jack Tretton told Wired right before PS3's launch:

"You can send that content to four other friends for that initial investment," said Tretton. "We want to get the game in as many hands as possible."

"It's not about generating profits at each and every interaction with the consumer," he said. "I think that really offsets the argument that says, 'Wow, that's a really pricey system.'"


http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2007/08/sony-disables-g/

McDonalds doesn't have shitty food. It may not be quality but it's decent and filling and cheap as hell. You've given good reviews to it on your Youtube channel as well.

But Shipwreck said a recommended buy price for Clash of The Titans was 10 bucks along with a middle finger. If it's that bad, why recommend anyone buy it for any amount of money? So people can torture themselves with a bad game and then say oh it was only 10 bucks?

10 bucks is still a good amount of money actually.
The rating system makes more sense with games that aren't jackshit horrible. Maybe 6 hour games that are GOOD but not worth 60 bucks and would be worth a buy at 20 or so?

But shit at 10 dollars is still SHIT at 10 dollars.

[RichMeisterMan]

Haha, I asked that question. Wombat was just joking around and repeating what Cheapy said in previous podcasts. Estabon answered it at the end anyways and it was a good answer. It's all good. 8-)

I guess the sarcasm went over my head (Just like your video response, Wombat). He seemed so serious, and it seemed pretty inline with the things he does.

You know though, Wombat, I've addressed you in numerous other CAGcast threads and have never gotten a response. The first time I say something negative, or question the way you act I get one. And I am watching Kick-Ass right now. Have you ever seen it? If so, what'd you think?

[Ivanhoe]

Enjoyed the show + Estabon
Thanks guys.

[Terabytes]

that story about people getting those xbox live arcade games for free pissed me off for two reasons: 1 because these tech news sites are vultures with no integrity and 2 shipwreck is such a wimp. hes a good guy but a real wet blanket.

[PepsiDriver]

I really enjoyed this episode. The conviction that Shipwreck had was heartfelt and I <3'd it. Along with the other thoughts from CheapyD and Wombat.

Esteban was a great addition to the show as well. Lots of funny bits that almost lead to my death in the gym this morning. Trying to do bench press and then someone mentions smelly vaginas, nicer Japanese girls and general silliness is not so good for my health.

[LiK]

I guess the sarcasm went over my head (Just like your video response, Wombat). He seemed so serious, and it seemed pretty inline with the things he does.


I don't think you're the only one. I don't think Estabon knew Wombat was being sarcastic either. ;)

[jkanownik]

You know though, Wombat, I've addressed you in numerous other CAGcast threads and have never gotten a response. The first time I say something negative, or question the way you act I get one. And I am watching Kick-Ass right now. Have you ever seen it? If so, what'd you think?

You get ignored because you are an idiot. This time you were just an excuse to link to a funny video.

[RichMeisterMan]

You get ignored because you are an idiot. This time you were just an excuse to link to a funny video.

Well see, this was the first time I've ever said anything directly to wombat that could be interpreted as trolling to any degree. Usually I attempt to ask him something comic or superhero related because I find him to be an authority on that topic.

So I would advise that from now on you know what you are talking about before decide to address me. If you do not know the flavor of the Kool-Aid then please shut the fuck up. Thanks!

And Wombat is a grown ass man; I don't think he needs your punk ass coming to his defense or explaining why he does something.

[spid]

I have to admit when I saw the Joystiq story earlier in the week I did have second thoughts about why they posted. However, exploit stories are posted all the time across the tech industry. There are stories of exploits on Microsoft's IE for years. Jail breaking the Iphone has become a cottage industry. We all know about bit torrent because some journalist some where posted up how to do it at some point.

The difference between reporting a security story and a pirating story is not such a black and white thing . The idea that journalist should play ball with industry they cover seems to be a real thorny issue. On the one hand people love to take digs at the big gaming sites and magazines for getting exclusives for the promise of a good review score. While on the other hand you have guys complaining that a story should not be posted because it might hurt the industry.

[runscottie]

Hey guys good podcast! I think at first I wasn't so sure about Esteban, but by the end of the show he fit right in!

Anyways, I just had a quick comment to make about the portion of the show where Cheapy and Esteban shared about their thoughts on Japan. I spend 3 summers in Okinawa during High School and recently studied abroad in Nagoya. From these experiences and others that I know, it seems like in many ways Tokyo is more of an International city than a Japanese one, and so some of Cheapy and Esteban's observations are really dependent on the fact that they are residents of Tokyo as opposed to other areas of Japan.

I think Wombat hit it head on; Xenophobia, standing out like a sore thumb everywhere you go, and things just not being the way they are in America will usually give most Americans reason to want to return to the States. Also, for people who do JET, some get lucky and placed in big city areas, but plenty are thrown into the Japanese boondocks, rural villages where they might easily be the only white person the village people have ever seen up close and personal (besides the previous JET). Clearly, a much different experience than someone in Tokyo, where foreigners are still few but noticeably present.

Little known covered up fact: Every year a handful of JETs commit suicide, and usually ones who have been placed in aforementioned settings.

[Sgt Barone]

Esteban was one of the best guests ever on the show!! Excellent show everyone!!!

[4nik8tor]

As far as the exploit thing goes, its up to the individual to decide whether they steal the stuff or not.

Yes, maybe a website is to blame on some level for posting directions on how to do it, but ultimately it is the user who steals it, that will be held accountable.
I wouldnt get too upset Ship. These websites are just posting what they think is 'news'.
Maybe they used bad judgement in giving the details. But I would say it is news in any event.


p.s. I heard of the exploit (with directions) first on CAG.
and no.. I chose not to do it. although its tempting =)

[snakelda]

How long has Esteban been living in japan?He said a long time resident and just wondering how long.

[Khalid]

I heard of the glitched on CAG first a few months ago I think, somebody posted it on the contest/freebie forum. Suddenly Joystiq picked up this news and Kotaku decided to do the same.

[FriskyTanuki]

:lol: at Cheapy once again bringing up the old ass gamesharing quotes since he has nothing post launch to back up his claims. I've criticized just that aspect of your defense and you re-used those quotes to combat the criticism. Come back with a quote from the past 3.5 years and maybe then you'll get people off of your back. That was one quote from before they knew how big that feature would be and have since backed off greatly to make it more of a gray area that they don't actively support anymore, which tells me a lot about their thoughts on the situation.

On the topic of your responsibility to the industry as members of the media in varying levels, you guys have done and said different that at least makes your holier than thou stance on the show questionable. I know Shipwreck has talked about before how he doesn't like to trade in the games he's received because he doesn't want to take away sales, but all three have gameshared a lot of games with each other and Shipwreck has sent some of the games he's received to Cheapy, Wombat, and others so they could play them without having to buy the game. Cheapy, Shipwreck, and Wombat have begged and pestered the others on the show about getting the game from their account. There's a different scope to the effect of those actions, but you guys aren't as the others.

I agree about how poorly designed the menus in Monday Night Combat are. You don't have to start a game to get back to the main menu, just click on a Blitz type to play and then push the B button to exit back to the main menu.

You can play one game online to get enough coins to buy a Bronze pack of cards. My first online game in Madden Ultimate Team got me 1400 coins with a win, so you get about two times the coins I get for playing against the CPU (600-900 coins). Maybe losses don't pay as well, but I've only had one complete game so far with MUT.

I'm fine with the unlock/booster stuff as long as you don't need to pay to get the same stuff, so I'm fine with people wanting to pay money for the coins to get a better pack of cards since that's not exactly something I'd expect people to exclusively do to get a good team. I know the most popular download on PSN for a few weeks after MLB 10 came out was the $0.99 DLC that gave you a ton of training points for the career mode, which seemed like virtual steroids to me.

I'd guess that Crystal Dynamics took the offer to give exclusivity to XBLA to be a part of the Summer of Arcade lineup that would happen before they could finish the game, so they sacrificed complete content for sales. They probably knew that the IP would draw in enough sales during SoA to make up for whatever drop in sales they'd get if they got a normal multiplatform release in September.

Shipwreck, Heavy Rain is a new IP that sold over 1 million worldwide and that isn't exactly a mainstream game in any sense. Borderlands is probably the best-selling new IP of 2009. A lot of the best-selling games of this generation were new IPs for this generation (Mass Effect, Uncharted, Gears of War, Assassin's Creed, Wii Sports/Fit, and Batman: Arkham Asylum).

Good show.

[token2k6]

Finally got around to listening this morning after downloading last night..great show indeed!

I was really surprised to hear Cheapy start talking about the Mafia II demo! That was the first thing I grabbed off the PSN update last Tuesday (yes before the Scott Pilgrim demo..which I haven't even tried yet) and immediately played it. I definitely played part one on the PC and the Xbox, but never really got that far into it. Since I'm Italian-American, and watched Goodfellas hundreds of times, I was really psyched to see a game coming out that caters to that kind of lifestyle.

The demo was good, but I wouldn't say great. I was really hoping the graphics would top GTA IV in realism, yet be on a better, newer engine to make it look even more realistic. Instead, the graphics were more like Saint's Row (cartoon-y, no sense of scale) and with a zoomed in camera that was a little too close..and I'm not sure if it was my TV or how I set the brightness on the game, but it looked really really bright, especially since it was supposed to be at night. I remember the first having a nice dark, gritty feel to it..this was not there in this sequel. Now, I did love the driving and found it vastly improved from the first. I wasn't excited at all about driving a car from the 30's or 40's whenever it is, kinda like riding a horse (!) in other games can become extremely boring..but as soon as I hit the gas, the feel of the car felt like modern day racing games, with very nice precision. The gunplay was pretty good too.

I already put $5 down on this game, really want the CE, but didn't want to put $10 down :lol: However, I'm pretty impressed and think I can get some enjoyment out of it. Plus, since it comes out the week of my birthday, I view it as a great gift to myself! :D Anyways, keep up the great work, I think you guys should contact Sirius XM and see if you can get the first all gaming satellite radio channel going!!

[morfar]

Here's what SCEA president Jack Tretton told Wired right before PS3's launch:

"You can send that content to four other friends for that initial investment," said Tretton. "We want to get the game in as many hands as possible."

"It's not about generating profits at each and every interaction with the consumer," he said. "I think that really offsets the argument that says, 'Wow, that's a really pricey system.'"


While you may be right that it might be technically a grey area, or even legal, it is beyond the point. Try and listen to what you said during the segment (starts at around 40min mark).

Here are some quotes:

"This is piracy"
"telling people how to get games for free"
"you have so little respect for it**, that youre just going to give out peoples product for free"
"We are all here because we like the industry, and we want to see it do well"
**((the video games industry))

No matter what anyone at Sony says, the publisher will get money for only _one_ copy, while missing out on money of up to 4 copies - permanently. Compare that to the XBLA glitch, which albeit being severe, probably only lasted for a very limited amount of time.

While I personally think that the 5 DL copy limit 'cheating' costs _way_ more than the XBLA glitch, its really irrelevant - The main point is that both are ways in which you essentially take money away from the maker of the games.

[Jonman]

GentleCAGs,
You talked on the episode about there being no new IP this year that's been selling well. A quick scan of this year's Top 20 monthly sales (as per NPDs) show a couple of titles that you guys overlooked.

Just Dance has been a slow-burn success, albeit that it launched late last year, and has appeared in the NPD's Top 20 every month this year. Brand new IP, long legs.
Darksiders hit #10 in January, but then dropped off the charts. I'm willing to bet $20 that it performed well enough that we'll see a sequel.
Dante's Inferno hit #8 and 9 for 360 and PS3 respectively in Feb. Heavy Rain also hit #10 in the same month.
The rest of the new IPs to hit the Top 20 were MAG, Bayonetta, Mod Nation Racers.
Now, to be fair, that's only 7 new IPs that sold enough to make the Top 20 so far this year. For reference, there's 52 established IPs that appear in the Top 20 over the same time period.

But that fact in itself is telling. Publishers want to sell games, and sales data shows that new IPs are a much riskier proposition. So it's not surprising that we see so few new IPs, because the gaming public has repeatedly and consistently shown a bias towards the familiar.

[Khalid]

Pretty sure that Darksiders sequel was announce a few months ago.

[200STM]

This was a good podcast episode, I like it when there is a guess on the show :D. I also enjoyed Saints Row (I had played and beaten SR2 on Ps3) congrads Cheapyd be sure to try to squeeze in a cheapyd rap like from the T.Q podcast and I hope to hear cheapyd say Big Ass Chains!!

[chi.bri]

Good show this week guys. The first one I've listened to in about 6 months.
I think it's a little hippocratic for a site called cheapassgamer to ban glitches for free games. I was laughing my ass off listening to your attempt to be moralistic. This whole site is devoted to getting things as close to free as possible. Why not just ban all deals and help Cheapy's bottom line.

[spooie_redux]

Congrats on winning the Saints Row 3 contest. I just ordered the original game at your suggestions back in the older Cagcasts.

Speaking of which, at random, I happened to have been listening to Cagcast #139 for the first time today and caught your discussion (29 minute mark) about the disappointment of having no "Big Ass Chains" in Saints Row 2," and the foreshadowing your appearance in Saints Row 3.

Now that you're going to be in the game, are you going to use your internet space pimp status to try and get "Big Ass Chains" back into the franchise, or perhaps Wombat's idea of being a cranky jew porn shop owner? BTW... any interest with the upcoming Saints Row game on the 3DS?


(PS... if by random occurrence, this post is commented on, I have not had the chance to listen to this episode yet... so I don't know if this has been covered already.)

[mSoul01]

Hey, Cheapy, how about a clarification on how the Godaddy codes work.

I just tried to use the CAG10 code, thinking I would save 10% on my order, since I'm getting a deluxe hosting plan, domain reg and some add-on's, total order came out to $220, I entered that code, got $1.40 off (took only 10% off the domain reg only). I know they have codes for 20% off hosting plans, you should see about getting some more codes up, I'd rather use codes from here than FW so you can make the money.. but cheap is cheap..