CAGcast #214: Street Values

[CheapyD]

15060[/IMG-L]This week's show focuses on the Nintendo 3DS, but we've also got the latest game shopping and industry news, your CAGbag (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71382) and Twitter (http://www.twitter.com/cheapyd) questions and so much more!

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Outro: Activision Decathlon (http://gameads.gamepressure.com/tv_game_commercial.asp?ID=11728)
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[MethodManFTW]

Finally, I've missed you duders.

[Fuzi0n]

w00t!

That terrible omelet trade-in joke made me lol.

[LiK]

Whee~

[xlaxparkax]

Listening while playing Blood On The Sand on my PS3. Cheapy, you were right, that game is just plain, dumb fun.

[PacManster17]

Wait,you guys talk about the DS on this episode!? I think the last time you guys seriously talked about playing any DS games was like 10 episodes ago! Can't wait to listen!

[aTOH]

Pahahahaha, "I live in Ohio.." That was great.

[Matedawg11]

Lmao @ Wombats comment "Not like the kindle?"...."No, not like the kindle -_-..."

[RichMeisterMan]

Ship...try and have fun with Dead Rising. Don't let the story control you so much; as soon as you let the story go and tell your daughter to shove the zombrex up her ass you'll start having a way better time. Just go around saving folks, killing psychos, and making new weapons, and leveling up!

My complaint with the game is the lack of good weapons that can just be picked up around Fortune City. Granted those little combination sheds are all over the place, but I don't always want to run over to one to start making stuff. Especially since Chuck moves a taaaad too slow in my opinion.

The multiplayer; Terror is Reality this is pretty fun, but no one seems to be playing it. You can earn some major bank there too and give it right to your main game character. So the 500,000 bucks you need for that minicooper deal in the royal flush plaza doesn't seem so out of reach.

[KingBroly]

I buy and play games that control very well. Buttons make games control well.

[dante_calypso]

Ship and wombat completely gangbanged Cheapy on the 3DS discussion. Vacations over....

[Tallest_Midget]

PS3: Dead Space 2 Beta (have not beat the first, probably wont get the second)

AGNM-72B7-BQE9

Please post when taken.

[Riptard]

Taken. Thank you kind sir.

[thorbahn3]

Is this what Ship got?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZnmfHPLxkQ&feature=related

[xxninjabunnyxx]

my walmart still has bloodwake

[Ltor]

nhl 11 and reach good call, my last two buys too. Glad you guys are back!

[NegativeZero]

it's gonna be a good morning! (despite all this rain)

[shipwreck]

Is this what Ship got?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZnmfHPLxkQ&feature=related

That's the stuff.

[repete]

cant wait to download

[shajek]

Just started listening and had to weigh in on the "12-year old $300 toy" discussion. As the father of nearly 12-year old twin boys, I can say with absolute certainty that they would prefer the iPod touch over the 3DS. They each own a DS lite and an iPod nano. Based on what they know of the 3DS and their experience playing with an iPod touch, they can't stop talking about apps, free games, tunes, etc. They are even trying to save money to buy their own.

I don't think the 12-year old is a good metric for deciding if $300 is too much for an item they could lose, drop or get stolen. Some kids are responsible enough to handle an item of that value. A better age to consider is the 7 to 8 year old. Would you buy a $300 item for a kid that age? Probably not.

[trip1eX]

Cheapie recommends Target as a vacation destination!!!!!

3DS will have cheap games!!!!!! Nintendo started that app store on the DSi. It houses shorter cheaper gaming experiences. 3DS has even more built-in flash memory too.

Also while Nintendo's big games on the DS are $35 you get alot more game and a higher quality game than the cheap crap on the Touch. Plus you can trade those games back in unlike games on the Touch. So the cost isn't as high as Cheapie makes it out to be.

Last the Touch has no buttons, analog stick or dpad. Touch games with the on-screen analog stick or dpad or buttons completely turn me off. I can't stand those controls and thus the games that use them.

Also your fingers get in the way of alot of gaming on the Touch. ON the DS you don't have that problem because of the additional controls or because of the 2nd screen.

I do agree that without seeing and playing the 3d games yet the 3DS looks like the DS. It looks dated. Nintendo should have modernized the look of the hardware so we know we're buying a next-gen device just from looking at it.

[trip1eX]

Just started listening and had to weigh in on the "12-year old $300 toy" discussion. As the father of nearly 12-year old twin boys, I can say with absolute certainty that they would prefer the iPod touch over the 3DS.


I like how you can be absolute certain without ever having played the 3DS and 6 months before it launches.

[motorcitydice]

I was honestly a little shocked that you used the song for the intro, Cheapy. I'm glad that you liked it enough to include it in the podcast. Thanks, that really brightened up my morning.

Now back to taking apart my PS3 again to get it working for another week.
:wall:

[chi.bri]

LMAO @ the closing song. The guy singing sounds like Cheapy.

[visorman30]

Hey guys, I always enjoy the show.
I do have to say that I think Cheapy was off base with (what amounted to a rant) his comments on the 3DS.
For the main reason that he's kind of going off half-cocked. There really isn't much info price-wise for North America for games or for the system. And when the discussion goes into hypothetical situations (if this, and this and this) it looks like straight fanboyism. I don't think Cheapy is a fanboy but on this topic his discussion right off a message board.
Also, I'd like to say that I think the discussion was focused on just the 3D aspect of the system. While 3D is the flashiest bullet point. The 3DS does have other features that seem to make it worthwhile for the hardcore among us. Specifically, the analog slider, increased horsepower, and availability of virtual console portable games. So while I do want to buy a 3DS (eventually), it may have very little to do with the 3D and much more to do with these other features.

[shajek]

I like how you can be absolute certain without ever having played the 3DS and 6 months before it launches.

It's easy when I keep talking about how I want a 3DS without trying it and they look at me like I'm crazy. They want all the features of the iPod touch that Cheapy mentioned (the HD video, better camera, free games, etc.) My kids could give a rip about the 3DS at this time. So, I am ABSOLUTELY certain they want the iPod over the 3DS. But, I was ABSOLUTELY certain that I wanted the 3DS until the price came out. Unless I can trade in my DSi and get a decent credit for it, I will wait for the inevitable price drop on the 3DS.

[phoenixdown3]

Snubbed again guys? I remember about two weeks ago you said you would read the iTunes reviews that were posted in the forums. Well I did just that. And all I ask is, Where's my shout out?

Anyway, I agree with @RichMeisterMan about the game. It sounds like you are in the very beginning, the game totally opens up more if you allow it. Just have fun and don't worry about having to do something. Also, after you beat it the first time, just play it again and just worry about what you want to do and not what you have to do. It seems to be a rather short game that multiple play throughs. encourages. And yes the initial area does feel mall-ish but the other areas do feel more like a casino, but I can understand where you are coming from Ship...

Keep up the good work guys!

[Wombat]

A quick correction on my part, the game I played is Dangerous Hunts 2011, and the light gun is being made Red Octane. Please don't think less of me.

[Foggen]

What about the Gladiator contest...?

[MattJ1991]

The part that made me chuckle the most was how Cheapy's vacation was made better by a Target. Also when Shipwreck made fun of him reccomending Hawaii, and Wombat had to explain to Cheapy that it was a joke. Good times. Also, thanks for saying my comment on the show, only took listening to 214 shows to hear my comment for 15 seconds ;)

[NegativeZero]

Hey Wombat if you ever need a fellow CAG to attend some gaming events in NYC and to do some rickshaw riding give me a holler.

[rogXue]

best part of this cast was Wombat's hiccuping. I couldn't help but laugh my ass off when that started!

[SeanNOLA]

RE: the history of "Money Hats"

If I'm not mistaken, this (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2000/10/23/) was the first appearance of the "Money Hat"

Believe it or not, a lot of "industry standard" terms have come from Penny Arcade. Ever notice that people always refer to Sonic's costars as Sonic's "stupid shitty" friends? That started here (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2001/6/25/). Not saying that PA coined the terms "stupid" and "shitty" being used in the same sentence, but that comic sealed their fates to be forever tied to Tails and Knuckles.

Retronauts did a great live show (episode 76 of the podcast) about the impact of Penny-Arcade on game history and games journalism in general. It's a great listen, but it loses something without being able to see the slides. You can find that here (http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=9003870).

The more you know!

[banodyne]

The guy singing in the Activision Decathalon commercial at the end of the podcast sounded just like Cheapy.

[Gamer SDP]

hmm no retards posting complaints yet

another entertaining show

oh and wombat should try out BFBC2

[kiyomasa]

@wombat
love your comment on the hawaiian alphabet. Pineapples... lol

@CheapyD
Anna Millers.... breakfast all day =]

[bombatomba]

My Walmart still has a copy of Sky Odyssey marked at $29.99. Thank God I live in the commerce kingdom that is Southeast Michigan, else there would be no bargain shopping.

[usickenme]

It's easy when I keep talking about how I want a 3DS without trying it and they look at me like I'm crazy. .

What? are you saying you know your own children better than some random dude on the internet?

I agree with what you are saying. My kids are the same (although a bit younger). I think the touch interface really appeals to kids who don't have a bias toward buttons. Plus I know many parents who have handed own their own iPods to their kids when they upgraded. Personally, I am really excited for the 3DS but I think Nintendo could really be losing a lot of kids especially with that price point.

as for what makes Target better- for starters there is no website called peopleofTarget.com

[bickle]

I'm surprised by the 3DS negativity. If it launches at $249 in the US, I'd say it's a great deal just for the improved graphics alone. And the glassless 3D is icing on the cake. I think a lot of people are looking at the 3DS as if it was just a DS with 3D functionality and forgetting about the massive upgrade in graphics capability.

[apathylad]

I'm not sure if CheapyD's iPod Touch vs. 3DS comparison works, in that most games on the iPod aren't all that appealing. While I have bought many cheap games on the iPhone, the controls do not feel all that comfortable for certain types of games. I don't think Nintendo would sell the 3DS for $300 in America because it would put off casual consumers, but I will say that I've seen some young kids with PSPs.

That being said, a 3DS for $250 seems kinda reasonable, considering a current generation iPod Touch goes for over $200, and the power of the 3DS seems greater than the PSP. Who knows? Maybe Nintendo will include a pack-in game or tech demo with the system.

[ianoid]

Just started listening and had to weigh in on the "12-year old $300 toy" discussion. As the father of nearly 12-year old twin boys, I can say with absolute certainty that they would prefer the iPod touch over the 3DS. They each own a DS lite and an iPod nano. Based on what they know of the 3DS and their experience playing with an iPod touch, they can't stop talking about apps, free games, tunes, etc. They are even trying to save money to buy their own.


Yeah, I think that what Wombat wants to play for $30 isn't the same as what Kid A wants to play. In fact, the free apps sell the hardware. Kids don't need a deep and rewarding DQ game. They may find one when they spend an iTunes gift card, or they may play some crummy free apps for free.

Personally I'll pay for quality (as Wombat), but if you consider the children's market, that's not necessarily a factor. And the DS and most systems have shovelware, except at a higher price point.

That 3DS discussion went on too long, but the points are reasonable. Cheapy's skeptical approach is, "it's a gimmick until proven otherwise." Time has proven this. However, Nintendo really does have a solid track record for their franchises, which are probably enough to sell the system.

Let's also consider that many companies overprice new tech initially for the early adopters and then lower the price after 1-4 quarters. Apple has taken this approach, and I would expect to see it with the 3DS and Kinect. Kinect may be a $100 item but pricing it at $150 gives it more perceived value in the beginning, which may be part of their marketing scheme.

I hope all of these new techs work well, because if they do, we all win.

[guardian_owl]

Mr. Owls remedy for hiccups:
Take and hold in a deep breath, then take several large swallows from a glass of water. Hasn't failed me once.

I too REALLY hate artificial time limits and enjoy exploring on my own time. Other than that this game seems tailor made for me. Its a shame they had to ruin it by not including an unlockable free mode once the main game is completed. That's enough of a sticking point for me that I'll probably never pick it up.

[bombatomba]

iTouch: Crappy games system with some cool apps. Has a great looking screen, excellent movie capabilities, and so-so sound quality. Has the backing of countless Apple Cult members (who would buy Apple-branded dogshit if told to).
Final Verdict: A lot of money for something that will break in a few months.

3DS: Largely unknown, but pedigree is great games system with tons of crappy games and crappy apps. Has two small screens, touch capability, and glassless 3D (very cool). Outside of the 3D, nothing else stands out from the previous iteration of DS. Backed up by a bunch of rabid goofs who will buy whatever Reggie tells them to.
Final Verdict: You can watch movies on it, but only if Nintendo says it's okay first.

If you really look at them, it's easy to see the comparison. Bottom line, we only know the Japanese price for the 3DS, though you can bet it isn't that much different. While there is a bunch of new crap for the 3DS (over the DSi and the XL), the only thing that matters is that 3D screen. So the question is, how much are you willing to pay for that feature?

[Sgt Barone]

New CAG woooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

[ProtoEXE88]

I know how I am and I'll be buying the 3DS day one, regardless of what launch titles/price is, I'm just that big of a sucker for Nintendo handhelds.

The price is ridiculous, but looking back the PSP was $250 (which is what I expect the 3DS to be here at launch), and I paid that much for that system. March is perfect for me since I'll have tax refund money (but will have also just spent a ton of money at PAX East, so we'll see how that goes). As of now the system sounds like a bunch of ports, but I'm just hoping game prices sit at the $30 range, but I'm sure they'll be PSPing it as well and get bumped to at least $40, which sucks big time.

And am I the only one who thinks the black on blue looks stupid? Why not just make a full blue system?

[polly]

I completely agree that Wombat needs to chill with the dumb Twitter topics.

[trip1eX]

It's easy when I keep talking about how I want a 3DS without trying it and they look at me like I'm crazy. They want all the features of the iPod touch that Cheapy mentioned (the HD video, better camera, free games, etc.) My kids could give a rip about the 3DS at this time. So, I am ABSOLUTELY certain they want the iPod over the 3DS. But, I was ABSOLUTELY certain that I wanted the 3DS until the price came out. Unless I can trade in my DSi and get a decent credit for it, I will wait for the inevitable price drop on the 3DS.

I'm absolutely certain you're not defining absolutely certain the same way I do.

[AleetPanda]

I was pissed about GOG.com "closing" but it seems most other people don't care. My friends didn't give a shit.

[Conboy]

The guy singing in the Activision Decathalon commercial at the end of the podcast sounded just like Cheapy.

I thought the same thing!

[nateeasy29]

Ohio is the best state in the union.

[shajek]

The guy singing in the Activision Decathalon commercial at the end of the podcast sounded just like Cheapy.

At first I thought it was Cheapy's new karaoke song of choice.

[shajek]

I'm absolutely certain you're not defining absolutely certain the same way I do.

Absolutely = guaranteed = 100%

[H4Y4TO]

one of the best shows!!!

[LiK]

Cheapy, even if you don't plan on playing the 3DS, just remember this: 3D camera = 3D penis. Killer app.

[ltrain23]

I agree with Wombat in that I would rather have analog sticks to play games than having a touch screen be my only option. I have too many games on my iPod Touch that were great too start with, only to become frustrated by the touch recognition. However, Cheapy is right when it comes to the cost dynamic. I don't have a lot of time to play handhelds anymore (the kids want them the second I take them out), so the couple bucks I spend on a Touch game is way more worth it than the $30 investment that I might not get to play for months anyway.

[jkam]

Great show as usual.

Glad Ship and Wombat went to bat for the 3DS. Although I see the overall convenience of the iphone and own an ipod touch myself I just can't recommend it as a gaming platform. I noticed a lot of people got excited over the Rage and Unreal demos being shown on the iphone but all I can think is how will they control? There are some good games for the iphone that were built for the platform but I think having an analog stick, a d-pad, and buttons trumps me not wanting to carry another device. $300 is high but like everything else it will drop. I know we expect more from our devices these days camera, video, etc. but it holds little weight from a pure gaming perspective.

[youruglyclone]

Re: Dead rising Co-op

host keeps story progress
but both players get to keep the following

experience
money
combo cards.

[Phelmo]

Glad to know that I'm not the only one who thinks that the iPod touch / iPhone should be given more respect as a gaming system. I agree with many of you that sometimes the controls can be awkward, but they can also be innovative and fun; plus nobody can argue with the value for money on some of the games.

[KillerRamen]

I would much rather have a 3DS over an iPod Touch. I'm much more interested in Zelda, Mega Man Legends 3 and Kid Icarus than I am in anything I've ever seen on the iPod Touch. $250 is a bit steep, but that's also what the PSP cost at launch.

I'll probably pick it up whenever Mega Man Legends 3 is released, but right now my PSP is good enough and all of the games are super cheap.

[Tengaport]

Wait,you guys talk about the DS on this episode!? I think the last time you guys seriously talked about playing any DS games was like 10 episodes ago! Can't wait to listen!

Yeah, they talk about the DS - but I'm not so sure about the 'seriously' part.

[Achuba Nanoia]

Great show as always, keep up the pace!

[TheH2s]

I thought it was funny when Wombat joked about what the Kinect can do to itself. I LOL'd. And I know people say that they LOL but I seriously did.

[smoger]

In regards to the GOG.com thing.. I want to point out that while the stunt was pretty poorly thought out, it didn't really highlight everyone's fears about digital content.

One of the main draws of GOG is that the games are DRM free, so even if the site disappeared for real, everyone would still have their games. If anything, the stunt cemented why DRM-free digital content is important.

edit: regarding the ps3/ps2 compatibility, please remember that there is a fairly sizable difference between playing ps2 games on a ps2 vs playing ps2 games upscaled on a ps3, having 1 less system attached to your tv, less wires in your livingroom, etc.

There are definite advantages to BC and not everyone forgets about their games when something newer comes out. If that were the case, why are so many people excited about the upscaled PS2 remakes that seem to be so popular right now? Why is it valid to be excited about buying Ico/SOTC in HD but not valid to just want to play the originals in near HD.. especially if you've already purchased those games once.

If anything, I think Sony should have kept at least 1 BC SKU available.. it would have been a much better way to justify different price points than a slightly different sized hard drive.

[Velo214]

Cheapy you didn't buy any bud in Hawaii?!

[jkanownik]

A quick correction on my part, the game I played is Dangerous Hunts 2011, and the light gun is being made Red Octane. Please don't think less of me.

Too late. Your Halo stats didn't help.

[itachiitachi]

I think cheapy is missing the draw 3DS. I think most people are more interested in it's power, analog stick, VC, and networking abilities over it's 3D.
Also If I'm going to give an expensive electronic device to a kid I think I'm going to go with the one from the company that is known for their good customer service and the durability have their hardware.

[chears]

FUCK KOTAKU IN ITS PRETENTIOUS ASS!

they are posting your deals that are repeated on slickdeals.com under slickdeals.

http://kotaku.com/5653834/the-moneysaver-a-few-good-deals#commentform

[encendido5]

Do you know what the street value of a 3DS when it comes out? I'm guessing you could get 20 omelets for one system! I'm guessing there will be shortages. I mean the US release has already been pushed back to 2011 because of system shortages.

We were all skeptical about the DS with it's two screens (who needs a second screen!?!), but look at how well it sold. The 3DS may just be a minor upgrade, but it will print money.

[yobak3r]

Another great cagcast.

Regarding the 3DS discussion: I found myself agreeing with Cheapy for most of the argument. Why should I dump 20 bones on a game like Scripps Spelling Bee, when I can just get the awesomeness that is Texting of the Bread for only 2? I guess it isn't fair to judge 3DS games before the device comes out, but it seems like just another DS with 3D functionality. For me, a $300 system, plus $30 a game doesn't compare to all the fun 1 and 2 dollar games that are on the IPhone. At least not yet. Maybe the 3DS will come and change my mind, but for now, I'm skeptical.

[Littlefields]

I would actually have to agree with Cheapy too. I don't think the appeal of 3D is all that big for gaming yet, not to mention on a portable handheld. Take for example the trend in 3D movies. Before Avatar, the idea of 3D in movies was seen as lame and pointless. For games, there is yet to be an 'Avatar' that will draw people toward the concept of 3D gaming. It's as simple as that.

[DQT]

I'm impressed with the civility of the comments so far about the 3DS discussion. I'm personally excited for it, but will concede it may be very very expensive.

When you look at the games coming out for the DS and PSP so far why should Cheapy even bother turning them on? It's really mostly just JRPGs and licensed games that are coming out for the DS and JRPGs and ports for the PSP. I happen to love these types of games but there's no point in trying to convince someone to get interested in something that's clearly not for them. It's okay. Really.

[blacksanta87]

Cagcast#214: FUKK Nintendo. You're such a relentless apple fanboy, it makes me want to roll in my own vomit.

[Davestation]

In reguards o one of the questions about Halo Reach selling poorly. I think Microsoft alienated their casual Halo fan base when they released Halo Wars and Halo ODST. If they released this as Halo 4 it may have sold better?

[ianoid]

I agree with Wombat in that I would rather have analog sticks to play games than having a touch screen be my only option. I have too many games on my iPod Touch that were great too start with, only to become frustrated by the touch recognition. However, Cheapy is right when it comes to the cost dynamic. I don't have a lot of time to play handhelds anymore (the kids want them the second I take them out), so the couple bucks I spend on a Touch game is way more worth it than the $30 investment that I might not get to play for months anyway.

I definitely need two analog sticks for the hardcore gaming experience, portable or not. Thus the PSP was a blunder. If PSP2 doesn't address this issue, then Sony is blind and it will fail.

I think that many of us will buy whatever is put out. But that doesn't make a system successful. In the end, my 9 year old will get a touch. He doesn't need to play games as good as DQ9. The touch is going to be a huge holiday gift for kids, I'm sure of it.

I have all the portables and I still play with my iPhone 50x more than the handhelds. Partly because it's always with me. And my expectations are lower, although I've been just as excited about many of my iPhone gaming experiences.

[CaptainJoel]

Good show! Took me a while to get through the whole show because I've been busy, but it was very entertaining!

[200STM]

This was a good show CAGcast crew. I would like to see shipwreck do some youtube videos on the weird things he gets from companies that come with the games he reviews. He can make a good youtube channel and talk bout some of the quirky games he has n such but he probably doesn't have enough time though.

[collipop]

FUCK KOTAKU IN ITS PRETENTIOUS ASS!

they are posting your deals that are repeated on slickdeals.com under slickdeals.

http://kotaku.com/5653834/the-moneysaver-a-few-good-deals#commentform

When a deal is posted it doesn't become property of cheap ass gamer Kotaku can credit whoever they want.

Anyway regarding the 3DS discussion I think cheapy is really overstating the iphone/touch as a gaming platform. Most of the games are of a flash game quality and having no buttons you cant have that much depth. I'm not going to find games like pokemon on my touch.

[FriskyTanuki]

The problem with suggesting the new iPod Touch as a better investment for kids is that it's a short term investment. You'll only be able to play those games for a year or two before developers focus on the 5th/6th generation hardware and the games you've purchased become more prone to crashes because your Touch isn't powerful enough to play them. You'll have to pay $200+ every couple of years to be able to play new games while a $250 investment in the 3DS will probably play every 3DS game that comes out for at least the next five years.

My main issue with the 3DS is the price ($200 is my limit for a handheld system) and the lack of new, original games. Most of the games I see are ports of console games, remakes of console games, and the usual array of Nintendo franchises in 3D. As much as I loved MGS3, I'm not looking to pay $40 to play through it again with one analog stick.

You only needed to turn on your Xbox 360 to get the ID numbers, as they're in the settings.

Good show.

[gmac1993]

Hi guys, great show. I'm planning to try out the football game quickhits--thanks for the heads up. In light of that, I would like to hear your opinions on Realm of the Mad God. It's a fun, free rpg that I stumbled upon, and highly recommend.

[Davestation]

Why is Shipwreck questioning whether the PS2 console was part of the six percent of people buying DLC? The 360 was the first home console to feature any kind of a marketplace for console DLC. If someone does a survey they are not going to inclulde obsolete data, of course assuming the surveyer is not an idiot.....

[chears]

When a deal is posted it doesn't become property of cheap ass gamer Kotaku can credit whoever they want.

Anyway regarding the 3DS discussion I think cheapy is really overstating the iphone/touch as a gaming platform. Most of the games are of a flash game quality and having no buttons you cant have that much depth. I'm not going to find games like pokemon on my touch.

Slickdeals credited CAG as they source. Kotaku credited Slickdeals, it was underhanded. I am just getting real tired of the pretentiousness, the Japanaphelia (right now they are giving props to the sausage feeding anime school girls game with a pic right on the front page-http://kotaku.com/5656314/dream-club-for-xbox-360-destroys-subtlety-with-hostess-sausage-feeding), and the basic blow hardedness of the entire site.

I wouldn't be so frustrated if I didn't actually use to enjoy the site.