CAGcast #215: Opposing Forzzzz

[CheapyD]

15060[/IMG-L]Enslaved, Guitar Hero: Warriors of Rock, Dead Rising 2 and a whole lot of Zs invade this week's show. We've also got the latest game shopping and industry news, your CAGbag (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71382) and Twitter (http://www.twitter.com/cheapyd) questions and so much more!

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Show Linkage/Notes (click the button below to expand):
Iron Eagle - Never Say Die - King Kobra

The Video Game Release List (http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/65848)

Analysts weigh in on Panasonic's Jungle (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/10/06/analysts-weigh-in-on-panasonics-jungle/)
Military Intel points to Opposing Force being linked to Taliban - still won't sell Medal of Honor (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/30816/Military_Stores_Ban_Medal_of_Honor_Despite_Removal _Of_Taliban_Name_.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+GamasutraNews+%28Gamasutra+Ne ws%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher)
Naughty Bear 'Chapter 9' DLC now available for $5 (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/10/06/naughty-bear-chapter-9-dlc-now-available-not-free/)
Duke Nukem Forever demo 'early access' included with Borderlands GOTY Edition (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/10/05/duke-nukem-forever-demo-access-included-with-borderlands-goty/)

Kinect manual confirms you need 6 to 8 feet minimum (http://www.destructoid.com/kinect-manual-confirms-you-need-6-to-8-feet-minimum-185760.phtml)


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Outro: Chappy Down (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGvlMHLIi10)
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[ProtoEXE88]

The Zs confuse and infuriate me

[Mahoney07]

I liked Kotaku's old review format more than this new one.

If there's no score that I can scroll to the bottom and look at, at least give me bullet points I can scroll to the bottom and read.

[PacManster17]

Alright! Downloading now while watching PPV!

[drew327]

I agree with your opinion on Kotaku's review change. I read the Enslaved one, it didn't really say anything

[Velo214]

Great Show! zzzzzzzzz hope you fix it, lol ;) oh mannnnnnnnnnzzzzzzz
and yeah i dislike the new kotaku reviews also, i can't tell if it's a good game as quickly by just telling if there are more green paragraphs then red... i dont like to read without colors...

[DrMunkee]

Thanks for the charity team plug!

I'd like to add that we have TONS of video games and swag up for raffle.

[H4Y4TO]

Great show!

I would have to disagree with Wombat, on the MOH changing the name. Multiplayer is what FPS games are about! I get FPS games for the multiplayer and I rarely touch the singleplayer. I may play the singleplayer here and there, but for the majority I stick with the multiplayer (on FPS games). Changing the name gives this game a unrealistic feel w/ multiplayer. I think EA should of held there ground and not change it.

[LiK]

Haha Shippy, loved the Kotaku criticism for their recent reviews. Annoyed Shipwreck ftw.

Cheapy: "Oh no, more Z's!" LoL

[ShinAkumA21]

boatcrash story of Jordan getting injure within the first few second had me LOL

[CaptainJoel]

Great show! I loved listening to the whole Kotaku thing and the stuff about Wombat playing Dead Space Extraction for Move.

[The Great BM]

Maybe I'm misinterpreting Ship's opinion, but I'm not sure why the Kotaku review of NBA 2K11 is so terrible. Granted, it's not the most original review of a game, but I don't see anything wrong with saying a sports game is only for those who like the sport. Look at the other 2 basketball games out now. I know people who don't really care for basketball, but loved playing NBA Jam, and judging from what was mentioned on the show, it looks like NBA Elite is bad enough that it wouldn't be appealing to fans of the sport. Am I missing something?

[RanchLizard]

I don't like the letter "Z". I never have and I don't think I ever will. Should I listen to this podcast?

[Dr Killotron]

I love the idea of Haiku reviews! DO IT!!

Dead Rising 2:
Made a lightsword
A thousand zombie deaths
That effing timer

[ChernobylCow]

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[RanchLizard]

I love the idea of Haiku reviews! DO IT!!

Dead Rising 2:
Made a lightsword
A thousand zombie deaths
That effing timer

Syllable fail

[lokizz]

definetly one of the less annoying shows (last few shows have been loaded with whining from wombat and cheapyd) and its good to see shipwrecks personality program finaly kicking in hes been more human of late which is good and he still manages to bring the hard facts and info. and i was even more surprised that he knew there was a difference between rap and hip hop since most folks just lump it into one group. big ups to ohio gingers representing!!!!!

[Dr Killotron]

Syllable fail

The cat suns in moonlight
And I do as I please
You haiku nazi

[Truk Treadwell]

I laughed my ass off with this cagcast's Iron Eagle intro and take out. I probably watched that film at one point in my life but don't remember a thing about it. I'm still chuckling and going to have to now figure out a way to watch it. Bravo Cheapy Bravo.

[Matedawg11]

Please dont change your review system...I really dont like the new idea and it doesnt seem like it serves much function...

[repete]

great job guys

[bickle]

Ehhhh you might want to rethink your criticism of Kotaku's new review style. Give a listen to the Spider-man review on the previous Cagcast. "If you like Spider-man and you like videogames, it combines those two very well." Sounds just like the Kotaku format...

[adriley313]

sweet a new cagcast
awesome

[Sashka]

Do I really have to be the one who has to say this?

Big AZZZZZZZZZZZZ CHAINZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

Cheapy, I just love the way you say that phrase..please do it every show, it's the combination of your voice plus emphasis on the endings of the words...IT'S GREAT! DO IT EVERY SHOW, PLEASE! I'll pay 2 cents...

[CXK]

Great show, I do think it needs moar z's.

[yobak3r]

Pretty good show. I liked the Medal of Honor discussion... except for Wombat. It kind of seems like he disagrees a lot just for the sake of being different. I know you need opposing views (or forces) in order to have a decent discussion, but it doesn't work when one side is always bringing up bullshit arguments, and pulling false facts out of the air.
Also, why does Wombat have to always jump at the chance to insult Cheapy by calling him racist? Is he aware that some people might actually take him seriously? It's obvious that this annoys Cheapy, yet he does it anyway, because he thinks it's funny when it's not.
Anyway, great job Shipwreck, mediocre job Cheapy, and annoying job Wombat.

[CheapyD]

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[LiK]

Cheapy, bought a new keyboard yet? LOL

[MIGGO]

Pretty good show. I liked the Medal of Honor discussion... except for Wombat. It kind of seems like he disagrees a lot just for the sake of being different. I know you need opposing views (or forces) in order to have a decent discussion, but it doesn't work when one side is always bringing up bullshit arguments, and pulling false facts out of the air.
Also, why does Wombat have to always jump at the chance to insult Cheapy by calling him racist? Is he aware that some people might actually take him seriously? It's obvious that this annoys Cheapy, yet he does it anyway, because he thinks it's funny when it's not.
Anyway, great job Shipwreck, mediocre job Cheapy, and annoying job Wombat.

Wombat's take on Medal of Honor was spot-on. EA changed the name to distance themselves from the controversy and to appease the nay-sayers. Also, the "racist" quip stems from a past controversy from an old podcast.

Lighten up, Francis.

Guys, I'm surprised that all three of you went with Castlevania over Enslaved without much thought. To me, it seems that the Castlevania brand might not be as strong as it used to be, ESPECIALLY a 3D version.

[Fluffy]

You need to think more broadly on your reviews. Three word bullets are one verb too many. NOUN ADJECTIVE only! "Graphic Good", "Sound Bad" and for the volleyball games, "Titties Big". And your scale needs to be from 1 to Pi. Tell Metacritic to suck it!

[yobak3r]

Wombat's take on Medal of Honor was spot-on. EA changed the name to distance themselves from the controversy and to appease the nay-sayers. Also, the "racist" quip stems from a past controversy from an old podcast.

Lighten up, Francis.

Guys, I'm surprised that all three of you went with Castlevania over Enslaved without much thought. To me, it seems that the Castlevania brand might not be as strong as it used to be, ESPECIALLY a 3D version.

Yeah, I know about the "controversy" (when Cheapy asked if the woman who asked Wombat for food was black, right?). But that was a very long time ago. And a lot of listeners probably don't know about that. Calling somebody racist isn't even funny anyway. The "joke" needs to die.

And regarding the Medal of Honor thing: Changing it to Opposing Forces isn't going to make the mother of a dead soldier feel any better. That's ridiculous. They either should have called it something else from the beginning, or stuck to their guns. Now instead of just looking offensive, they look offensive, and like pussies. Great job, guys.
And Enslaved has no chance of beating Castlevania.

[KillerRamen]

I have a Playstation Move set up (2 Motion Controllers and One Nav Controller) and I have plenty of space. That may also be because I have a general distaste for coffee tables and I have my TV set up in my basement.

So far, the Move is much better than I expected. I also purchased the Kinect from that $99 Microsoft Stole Labor Day sale thing. I don't know if I'm going to like it, but Dance Central looks likes a ton of fun.

[YoatOverNothing]

Wait a minute...I still don't get this. If I like basketball...then I will like 2k 11? But...if I don't like basketball...then...this is just too hard.

[Kazaganthi]

I like how you guys put a recommended buy price on your reviews. All your joking aside, I think adding a # out of 100 score isn't a bad idea

zzzzzzzz66zz

Anyone remember the Red Alert 2 controversy? Soviets blowing up the Pentagon and taking over the World Trade Center, not to mention the box art had the Twin Towers under attack.

So being a Nazi in every WW2 game is ok, and choosing the Terrorist team in Counter Strike to set us up the bomb is ok, but taliban is offensive? Ridiculous

[MIGGO]

Yeah, I know about the "controversy" (when Cheapy asked if the woman who asked Wombat for food was black, right?). But that was a very long time ago. And a lot of listeners probably don't know about that. Calling somebody racist isn't even funny anyway. The "joke" needs to die.

And regarding the Medal of Honor thing: Changing it to Opposing Forces isn't going to make the mother of a dead soldier feel any better. That's ridiculous. They either should have called it something else from the beginning, or stuck to their guns. Now instead of just looking offensive, they look offensive, and like pussies. Great job, guys.
And Enslaved has no chance of beating Castlevania.

Comedy is subjective. Who are you to deem what is or isn't funny? I took the comment as someone busting another friend's balls by bringing up an incident from the past. For what it is worth, I laughed.

It's all a business move when it comes to the name change. It's nothing about making a mother feel better or respecting the troops, it's about keeping retailers happy. Gamestop stores on military bases already claimed that they wouldn't sell the game, all it would take is for ONE major retail store to jump onto that bandwagon before others would most likely follow suit. Controversy creates cash, but only if stores are willing to sell it. Change the name, fight the criticism, and pray that it'll be enough to appease the non-believers.

Another note, I like the idea of EA sitting around and making their every decision based solely on keeping from "looking like pussies" and not "how can I make a shit-ton of cash?".

[volt1up]

Why do you guys even bother reading Kotaku?

[DarkZion]

I like the current review system on here. And that 3 word bullet point system sounds absolutely awful. It sounds so incredibly lazy and half-assed that I don't think I could take a review serious with it in place.

The idea of a 100 point scale being added is pretty good, but I still think I'm in favor of keeping the current review system the way it is.

I also fell asleep after about 19 minutes, so I'll have to finish listening later.

[Fjordson]

Great episode, duders.

Regarding Medal of Honor, I was extremely disappointed in EA's decision to change the name. It doesn't really affect me personally since I won't be buying the game, and I realize that the literal results from the change are fairly trivial, but the overall idea bothers me and I don't like what it possibly means for games in the future. I just think censorship in any form of entertainment is a bad thing.

I find it even more troubling when it's something involving war and the families of soldiers and veterans. Hasn't our military always claimed that they're fighting for America's freedom? Seems to me that freedom of speech and the freedom to express oneself is pretty central to that idea. Complaining about stuff like this undermines the very principles that our armed forces apparently defend. I could maybe (and I mean maybe) sympathize if the game was meant to be some cheap parody or was presenting the conflict in a comical way. But it isn't. All the info about this game thus far has stressed that they're going for a high level of authenticity and that the content in the game is being presented in an honest and mature way.

A large amount of society's most important entertainment from the past (I want to say art, but I'd rather avoid that potential can of worms) was offensive in some way to certain groups of people. It happens, but it goes back to the whole "freedom" thing that we're so fond of. To me that includes being able to say and create what you want.

It's all a business move when it comes to the name change. It's nothing about making a mother feel better or respecting the troops, it's about keeping retailers happy. Gamestop stores on military bases already claimed that they wouldn't sell the game, all it would take is for ONE major retail store to jump onto that bandwagon before others would most likely follow suit. Controversy creates cash, but only if stores are willing to sell it. Change the name, fight the criticism, and pray that it'll be enough to appease the non-believers.
Their situation with retailers has not changed in any way. Even with the name change military GameStops are sticking with their decision to not carry the game. EA didn't help anything at all. All they did was show that they lack a backbone.

[Aphallatosis]

I beat you to the Haiku review format Cheapy. My site theHaikuCritic.com (http://thehaikucritic.com/) even features MetaCritic friendly scores.

I was able to bang out a lot of reviews at once, then not a whole lot after the first batch. I'm easily distracted and lazy.

[4nik8tor]

we need a game about killing jews. I mean really ..fuck these assholes. we're all adults. KILL THEM! its just a video game.

[StriderNo9]

Yay, more silly jabs at Kotaku. I don't listen to the Kotaku pocast, do they pay as much attention to CAG as we do to them? Otherwise, strong show.

[bobthecat23]

Lol at wombat for saying "what if I'm cheapyd" cheapy got mad, made me crack up.

[McBeesj]

60/5=1400!!!!!!!!!

Hilarious you guys are the funniest games podcast out there, well tied with gamescoop.

I am never going to buy a gaming computer so if KOTOR is available on the Jungle and it is not too expensive(I am a true CAG) they will be welcoming me to the............Jungle

[StriderNo9]

60/5=1400!!!!!!!!!

Hilarious you guys are the funniest games podcast out there, well tied with gamescoop.

I am never going to buy a gaming computer so if KOTOR is available on the Jungle and it is not too expensive(I am a true CAG) they will be welcoming me to the............Jungle

Havent listened to Giantbomb yet have you? :)

[McBeesj]

Havent listened to Giantbomb yet have you? :)

It is being downloaded on to my itunes now, thanks for the suggestion, I forgot to mention Totally Rad Show also but it is not solely video games

[kashwashwa]

RE: Enslaved "I played the demo, and I liked it, but I felt I needed to shoot things"

I hate to say it Cheapy, but you are what is wrong with the games industry.

[ZombieJeebus]

Sorry Wombat but Red Octane isn't making the RB3 keyboard. RO did the Guitar Hero peripherals before getting dissolved by Activision.

In keeping with the shows theme, it was Mad CatZZZ.

Glad to hear you liked RB3, I am stoked for it.

[monahawk217]

The majority of Americans are pretty detached from the war in Afghanistan except for what they might get a glimpse of while changing channels. I'm not in the military but I think by changing "Taliban" to "Opposing Force" it does a discredit to our troops. We're not fighting faceless enemies and using euphemisms diminishes the gravity of what's going on each day in Afghanistan. If Medal of Honor wants to be the real deal, why would they change the name of one of the major factions in the game?!

[DarkZion]

Wombat, I would love to have your recipe for pulled pork.

Also, what's with the hate of Five Finger Death Punch, Flyleaf and Atreyu?

[yobak3r]

Comedy is subjective. Who are you to deem what is or isn't funny? I took the comment as someone busting another friend's balls by bringing up an incident from the past. For what it is worth, I laughed.

It's all a business move when it comes to the name change. It's nothing about making a mother feel better or respecting the troops, it's about keeping retailers happy. Gamestop stores on military bases already claimed that they wouldn't sell the game, all it would take is for ONE major retail store to jump onto that bandwagon before others would most likely follow suit. Controversy creates cash, but only if stores are willing to sell it. Change the name, fight the criticism, and pray that it'll be enough to appease the non-believers.

Another note, I like the idea of EA sitting around and making their every decision based solely on keeping from "looking like pussies" and not "how can I make a shit-ton of cash?".

I just don't think it's cool to lead newer listeners to believe that Cheapy's racist. But maybe I'm just reading too far into it. Whatever.

About Medal of Honor. Retailers on military bases still aren't going to sell the game. Retailers not on military bases were going to sell the game anyway. So changing it to Opposing Forces hasn't changed anything in that regard. They haven't made any financial difference in this move. So why do it? All this is going to do is make them look like idiots. Gamers are going to see that, and a few might even write this off as a joke of a game. This game already has an upstream battle against Halo, Black Ops, etc. The last thing they needed was to look even weaker to gamers.

[turkeycat79]

Hey guys,

In response to your comments about renaming the Taliban in Medal of Honor, I have to say I am glad they did it. Giving the Taliban a staring role in a popular game might only empowers them. I'm glad they won't be given the satisfaction of having their name associated with it. I disagree with you guys when you say it doesn't matter what name you call the enemy. It matters a lot because it automatically associates it to real life. If team names aren't important, then I guess Madden doesn't need to worry about renewing its NFL licenses!!!

I am currently deployed. I am big fan of the show and it helps to have something entertaining to look forward to each week. Thanks!

[trip1eX]

Why stop at just adding Metacritic?

How about adding thumbs up/down?

And whatever else other review sites use.

But I agree it's not enough for CAG to score just once.

[Go Skate]

good show

[Falion]

Great podcast this week! Coincidentally, I just used Netflix's "Instant Watch" to watch Iron Eagle for the first time last weekend. Man, was that cheesy - exactly like I wanted it to be. :D

Oh, and thanks for the link to that Blood Bros mix of 80s butt rock. Those songs bring back a lot of memories...

[4nik8tor]

I want a game like top gun but I land a jet into a skyscaper. that'd be awesome!

[Fjordson]

I want a game like top gun but I land a jet into a skyscaper. that'd be awesome!
we need a game about killing jews. I mean really ..Fuck these assholes. we're all adults. KILL THEM! its just a video game.
You've got a hilarious bit going on, man. Keep it up!

:roll:

[eataburger]

Just listened to the show while cooking Turkey. Great show again guys!

2 things,

I don't get why Kotaku gets so much talk on your show. Honestly, until I started listening to CAG I'd never heard of it, and I realized a long time ago that it was a waste of time. They always link to "funny" videos that suck and they just break up news releases into multiple chunks of information so that it seems they constantly update. I don't think it is as popular a site as you think it is.

Lastly, EVERYONE had a wedding this weekend to go to. Everywhere I look there are wedding parties taking pictures, then I read a news article explaining that it's because they want to get married on 10/10/10.

Makes it easy to remember anniversaries anyways... :bouncy:

[iwannadie]

Good show, attack of the Z's was killing me.

When cheapy started talking about the pure evil in NHL 11 I started to think how much money he must have spent on virtual cards, then it turned out to be 5 bucks! I know it's a lot for packs of virtual cards and it is cheapyD. I was just expecting him to say he spent like 60 bucks or something crazy.

Is there a virtual card cap on what he's willing to spend?

[blitzbllmstr]

Cheapy, Wombat and Shipwreck

The new review system on CAG needs to have an omelet scale, how many omelets is a game worth screw the point system games are worth anywhere from 1 to 100 omelets.

Also isn't it funny how Enslaved is basically Monkey vs Robot the video game, yet everyone keeps thinking its some ancient chinese tale of legend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Csif5l_6c

[soliddragon]

Chappppyyyyyyyyyy!!

[casamh]

I agree with Wobat 100% on the renaming of the Taliban in MOH. It's no big deal. Us army guys have been calling the enemy "Opposing Force" or "Op Fors" for the longest time. Even COD calls the enemy Op Fors, so to quote wombat.."Who cares!?"

Also I think if you want a fair sales numbers comparison, you should give your opinion on which will sell more by the end of the year between NHL 11 or Kinetics/Project Sh*tbox.

[coldyron]

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[zegolf]

What did Cheapy say the name of that Action Hero mix was?

[TooMuchCoolness]

Well I finally reviewed on Oct 13...I would've wrote more but the text is too damn small in iTunes for some reason