CAGcast #218: I Love You, Raptor

[CheapyD]

15060[/IMG-L]The gang talks Kinect, the Xbox 360 Dashboard update, the latest game shopping and industry news, your CAGbag (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71382) and Twitter (http://www.twitter.com/cheapyd) questions and so much more!

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Jurassic Park Theme

New Releases 10/31-11/6: Flailing Appendage Edition (http://tech-gaming.com/2010/10/30/new-releases-1031116.aspx)

EA announces Dragon Age Legends for Facebook (http://www.vg247.com/2010/11/03/ea-announces-dragon-age-legends-for-facebook/)
California Bill to Restrict Sale of Violent Videogames to Minors Argued in US Supreme Court (http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/66305)
NBA Elite 11 Officially Canceled, Franchise Going to Madden Studio (http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/66301)
You Won't Believe Who Is Killing Zombies in Call of Duty: Black Ops (http://kotaku.com/5677841/you-wont-believe-who-is-killing-zombies-in-call-of-duty-black-ops)
Brand-New Battlefield Game Being Announced on Friday (http://www.1up.com/news/brand-new-battlefield-game-announced-friday)
HMV: Trade in Medal of Honor, get huge Black Ops discount (http://www.destructoid.com/hmv-trade-in-medal-of-honor-get-huge-black-ops-discount)

Xbox Live Indie Games moved to 'Specialty Shops' on new Dashboard, devs not happy (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/11/03/xbox-live-indie-games-moved-to-specialty-shops-on-new-dashboar/)
Microsoft: New dashboard is good for Indie games (http://www.destructoid.com/microsoft-new-dashboard-is-good-for-indie-games)
Xbox 360 2010 Holiday Bundle w/Forza 3 and Alan Wake $299 (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=277237)

Game Dev Story (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/game-dev-story/id396085661?mt=8)

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Outro: Jurassic Park Theme
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[NDarkness]

New CAGcast yay!

[Ivanhoe]

awesome timing.
Just finished listening to 217 few minutes ago

[Wickedsoul]

This show was hilarious lol. Awesome stuff.

[xlaxparkax]

Oh, silly raptor. Goodness gracious, that was funny.

[repete]

i hope you will talk about kinect

[USB Cable]

This was expected un, timing good!

[Darknyss]

um, Wombat, Toro is the company that makes snow shovels/blowers not Toto!

[NegativeZero]

Hey Cheapy, I'm sure someone out there could send you a copy of Quantum of Solace, I no longer have mine but it was $10 at BB a few years ago. it's playable but not not a great game.

[Wombat]

um, Wombat, Toro is the company that makes snow shovels/blowers not Toto!

you are correct, now no one will ever be able to trust me again

[youruglyclone]

the line at tru times square can be explained with the following

they were giving away 2 free games and 1 year of live to the first 3000 people who bought it. also first 400 were invited to some launch party.

[trip1eX]

Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.
- Dr. Ian Malcolm

[lombarvm]

Clever girl...

Isn't getting ESPN 3 on your XBOX dependent upon your ISP, and not whether you have it on your cable package? Also, you can buy Goldeneye Wii with a special gold dual analog classic controller.

[LiK]

Cheapy's distaste for the Kinect comes fast and furious, lol

Correction: DJ Max Portable is KOREAN.

[rogueweapon]

Ironic how Cheapy laughs at the suckers lining up to buy a piece of shit because they saw it on tv and then he pulls and Oprah with his toilet seat CAG email.

[Gentlegamer]

Pics of Wombat's sponge bath NAO!

[spineynorman]

That raptor bit was the least funny thing that ever made me laugh so hard my stomach hurt. You have amazing powers Wombat.

[prence]

I can't believe people are actually debating on spending $50 for NBA Jam.

Yeah, it looks fun and cool but 50 bucks?! It is pretty obvious they are trying to recoup money after their NBA Elite failure by banking on the one part of the game that didn't look like crap. This should be an XBLA release.

[Evilsean]

Great show as always. Although a special thanks goes to CHEAPY, all day long I have the James Bond theme playing in my head whenever I do anything. Just sent an email "Du du da daaaaaa", Just finished a report "Du du da daaaaa", just took a shit "Du du da daaaaa".

[Thanos2001]

Hey Cheapy,

You and the rest of the press have had a ton of exposure to Kinect. Enough to take the sheen off. For the rest of us, we want to try the new toy man. I'd buy it just for the cool factor of the interface navigation stuff. Why wouldn't you be able to get that?

You live in Japan. They still have arcades there right? Kinect is the more pricey elaborate arcade game in the corner. The one with the unique interface that costs a bit more to play.

My favorite party game is Rayman Raving Rabbids TV Party for the dance game. I've gotten 4 adults playing that and really had a blast. Playing something like that without the need of controllers would be a dream.

I hope that shines some light on why some of us who don't have kids would be excited about Kinect. Love the show.

P.S. Why can't I find Forza 3 Ultimate Collection on the site? I was hoping to find the best price for it.

[Curufinwe]

Hey Cheapy,

You and the rest of the press have had a ton of exposure to Kinect. Enough to take the sheen off. For the rest of us, we want to try the new toy man. I'd buy it just for the cool factor of the interface navigation stuff.

Yeah, about that...

I found that the Kinect Hub, which is brought up by either waving your hand while on the "classic" Xbox 360 Dashboard or saying "Xbox Kinect" is functional, but, if anything, requires far more effort to perform the most simple tasks than simply using a controller and the regular Dashboard. Here's the problem: In order to select something, you have to hover your hand over it for a three-count. Then, there's a delay as an extremely simplified version of, say, your friends list comes up. Navigating further into the menus is just as slow, as is navigating back out.

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/11/04/kinect-review/

[Monsta Mack]

Wasn't there a full disc version of NBA Elite 11 out already? Or was it a beta disc?

Sounds like a collectors item, perhaps the rarest 360 game behind Dead Space Limited Edition?

Did you guys know Danny Trejo is Raul The Ghoul in New Vegas?

[MattJ1991]

you are correct, now no one will ever be able to trust me again

You mean you took advantage of me and my laughter with your false claims!?

Shame on you Wombat...shame on you.

[Conboy]

The thought of seeing a video of Wombat bathing has forced me to stab my eyes out with a pencil.

[ramatut4001]

"Where's Creed buried?"

[bmulligan]

Wait, wait, wait......

Cheapy, you would buy a new television, with a gimmick inarguably less popular and more expensive than motion controls, so you can give us impressions of 3D gaming? You "did it for us"? What kind of bullshit do you eat for breakfast, Cheapy?

It was "just a couple hundred dollars more" for this passing fad of 3D-ness yet the Kinect is only $150; The Move only $100. You dismiss an entire genre of gaming and it's 4 year proven history out of hand and embrace a niche gimmick that you've already said was underwhelming and won't last?

Nerd it up with those special glasses, dude. And tell us when the headaches begin.

[Sgt Barone]

New CAGcast woooooo!!!

[ShinAkumA21]

this podcast is getting boring it need more controversy ... or something new

[deathmothon]

The opening Jurrasic Park music set up the Raptr stuff pretty well.

[Kuromimi]

Yay Jurassic Park episode! Good show guys.

[eataburger]

This CAGcast was owned by Wombat. I loved the way he threw himself into every topic and took chances to elevate the show.

[Mahoney07]

Wayne's World is amazing and it's an SNL movie

[adriley313]

DL now
cant wait to listen

[ChaoticClimax]

"Where's Creed buried?"


I literally died when I heard this. Funniest thing I have heard in a long time.

[sthenic]

Wait, wait, wait......

Cheapy, you would buy a new television, with a gimmick inarguably less popular and more expensive than motion controls, so you can give us impressions of 3D gaming? You "did it for us"? What kind of bullshit do you eat for breakfast, Cheapy?

It was "just a couple hundred dollars more" for this passing fad of 3D-ness yet the Kinect is only $150; The Move only $100. You dismiss an entire genre of gaming and it's 4 year proven history out of hand and embrace a niche gimmick that you've already said was underwhelming and won't last?

Nerd it up with those special glasses, dude. And tell us when the headaches begin.


Yep, I thought this was hilarious. Cheapy talking crap about all the 'sheep' who went out and bought Kinect and then he brags about his new 3D TV. Say "Baaaaaa" Cheapy. Classic.

[trip1eX]

The look of the new dashboard does suck. Some blinding white in there. Very plain. Brings back memories of the good 'ole days of DOS. It's almost like they needed some more cpu/gpu cycles or memory for Kinect processing so they made it flatter and more plain.

Ship hit the nail on the head. Let us re-arrange the interface to suit our needs ala the hi-tech Wii!!!!!
Been saying that for awhile.

ESPN app is great imo, but didn't know you need cabletv to see it. Thought you just needed your ISP to be on-board. No doubt its part of the price increase. It's the future of TV though- same with Netflix. Interface is smart and slick.

[KillerRamen]

Wait, wait, wait......

Cheapy, you would buy a new television, with a gimmick inarguably less popular and more expensive than motion controls, so you can give us impressions of 3D gaming? You "did it for us"? What kind of bullshit do you eat for breakfast, Cheapy?

It was "just a couple hundred dollars more" for this passing fad of 3D-ness yet the Kinect is only $150; The Move only $100. You dismiss an entire genre of gaming and it's 4 year proven history out of hand and embrace a niche gimmick that you've already said was underwhelming and won't last?

Nerd it up with those special glasses, dude. And tell us when the headaches begin.

People are weird... They're willing to pay a premium for something that interests them, but when it comes to something like the Kinect anyone who would buy such a thing must be crazy.

Rockband doesn't interest me at all, but the CAGCast guys seem to love it. I'm guessing they spent way more on the various instruments than I spent to play Dance Central, but whatever. :roll: I spent $99 on the Kinect during Microsoft's Labor Day Sale and $33.33 for Dance Central during Target's B2G1 sale

[sheppyboy2000]

Great new podcast guys... but onto business. Really out of date business.

Shipwreck, you recently snagged Flux and enjoy it. Have you thought about getting into ACTUAL board gaming? Not to sound like one of those elitist prick euro gamer kind of guys but based on some of the stuff you enjoy, I think you could really get into it. Especially since you live in Cincinatti Ohio which brings me to the next point, in Columbus Ohio, every year hosts one of the largest board gaming conventions in the US (Origins) and I'm going this next year. I'd be interested is sitting down and playing a game or three of Dominion or something with you.

Also, Wombat, when he mentioned this game, I nearly screamed out for your Flux Capacitor joke because you were VERY close to making a very nerdy joke I've made. Flux is made by Looney Labs that also publishes the official card game of Back to the Future. And yes, there is a Flux Capacitor in that game...

Goddam I'm a nerd....

[Smallville123]

Great show other than the fact i was eating a steak when all of the sudden wombat starts talking about going to the bathroom outside and how he had to bath in his kitchen. *SHUDDERS*

[RichMeisterMan]

People that don't piss in the shower are weird. It's only natural to get in there have the running water get your blatter thinking about pissing. What are you going to do? Get out of the shower to piss when there is a perfectly good drain to aim down?

[strife18]

Good show guys.

I'll be waiting to hear about Cheapy's Quattron TV as that was the model (maybe not the 3D or 60" version though) that I was looking into for a future purchase. I'm expecting a full review with pictures and video Cheapy, don't let me down!

[bmulligan]

Does Wombat slip a WKRP reference into every podcast? I think there was one last week too, and I can remember others, but I don't have time to go back and listen.

[bmulligan]

Good show guys.

I'll be waiting to hear about Cheapy's Quattron TV as that was the model (maybe not the 3D or 60" version though) that I was looking into for a future purchase. I'm expecting a full review with pictures and video Cheapy, don't let me down!

But your monitor won't be able to display the color yellow correctly. You won't get the full effect until you contribute to Sharp's marketing budget and they start sourcing material with a new yellow signal. Some people will buy anything they see in a commercial.

[RichMeisterMan]

Cheapy, my name is pronounced the same as "Cosby" as in Bill Cosby. Don't let the Z fool you!

[GhostHead]

Great show guys! BTW I don't piss in the shower either. That's gross.

[mundione]

The opening moments of this particular show had me rolling with laughter. Thanks for another quality show from all three of you.

[ianoid]

Oh, silly raptor. Goodness gracious, that was funny.


Disagree. That was the lowest moment on the show yet. I cringed. I love the Cagcasts. And I noticed the Shipwreck, the smart one, stayed well away from that bit. If you guys want to do bits, I suggest you write them in advance, and double check them for humor. As if the starting cornyness wasn't enough. Raptor was a sketch fit for a 3 year old.

Aside from that, great show, shorter than I'd like, but then we're all Jews around here, so we've heard that before.

Just played Dance Central. It's friggin' awesome. But they'll need 10 more games that good to make the Kinect a 'good deal'. And as far as I can tell, they have 0 more.

Don't come down too hard on us early adopters (Shipwreck clearly included). We just paid for that 3D 60" screen. Oh, but did you consider an HD projector instead? Could get 80" of screen for $1200.

[VaultDweller13]

Can the raptor become a regular character? Just wondering...

[WankerJist]

Calling it now - Kinect will sell more than Rock Band 3 kits : (

[Curufinwe]

Wait, wait, wait......

Cheapy, you would buy a new television, with a gimmick inarguably less popular and more expensive than motion controls, so you can give us impressions of 3D gaming? You "did it for us"? What kind of bullshit do you eat for breakfast, Cheapy?

It was "just a couple hundred dollars more" for this passing fad of 3D-ness yet the Kinect is only $150; The Move only $100. You dismiss an entire genre of gaming and it's 4 year proven history out of hand and embrace a niche gimmick that you've already said was underwhelming and won't last?

Nerd it up with those special glasses, dude. And tell us when the headaches begin.

You're ignoring the fact that any high-end TV purchased from now own is going to support 3D. If CheapyD wanted a nice, new, big TV, of course he was going to get one that supported 3D.

[apathylad]

I'm not really sold on Kinect from what I've played of it. I have room for it I suppose, but I don't want to rearrange furniture just to make using it comfortable. It may have potential in the future, but a lot of the games currently seem like tech demos or overly exhausting to play.

You guys definitely had better luck with the 360 Dashboard update than I did. It took me several tries just to get the thing installed, presumably because the servers were hit hard.

I'm looking forward to hearing some of CheapyD's 3D TV impressions.

[Punkyblue]

I can’t believe it. I used to think of Shipwreck as an upstanding role model, someone I could look up to and respect. It was no surprise to learn that Cheapy pissed in the shower, but et tu, Shipwreck? It's just that I thought... I'm having trouble understanding--

I need to take a long, constitutional walk.

It feels like everything I knew to be true was just a vast conspiracy of lies, mistruths, and withheld information. I don’t know what to believe anymore. I just, I thought, I... I don’t know man. This is too much to handle at this stage of--

I can’t, I just can’t anymore.

[Curufinwe]

I agree with Wombat and Shipwreck about the look of the new Xbox dashboard - it's a major downgrade. It also took me at least 20 minutes to download and install, even though I have 25/25 Mbps FIOS.

I think the reason it only took CheapyD two minutes is because there weren't many other people hitting the Xbox Japan servers trying to get the update. It was a lot slower for me here on the East coast, almost as slow as the last time I updated my PS3's firmware.

[TheH2s]

Great show guys!

I have a question for Raptor. If you could eat anyone past or present who would it be?

[CheapyD]

I agree with Wombat and Shipwreck about the look of the new Xbox dashboard - it's a major downgrade. It also took me at least 20 minutes to download and install, even though I have 25/25 Mbps FIOS.

I think the reason it only took CheapyD two minutes is because there weren't many other people hitting the Xbox Japan servers trying to get thew update. It was a lot slower for me here on the East coast, almost as slow as the last time I updated my PS3's firmware.

This is the reason it took me 2 minutes.
http://www.speedtest.net/result/1018113834.png (http://www.speedtest.net)
Check your ISP on www.speedtest.net to see what you actually pull. I bet its not 25 Mbps up and down.

[Curufinwe]

I'll take that bet. What do I win? :)

http://www.speedtest.net/result/868752227.png

That's from a test I ran back in July since I'm at work right now, but I'll check it again from home tonight to make sure Verizon haven't been secretly lowering my connection speed.

[sheppyboy2000]

Anytime someone estimates how long or fast a download took, I always instantly mistrust it. Because the apparently 30 minute PS3 downloads typically take me around 4-8 minutes. Which is comparable to Xbox Live since I'm Silver. And yes, Live is slower if you're Silver. Unless you're buying something... For the for the record, it's a slow morning...
http://www.speedtest.net/result/1018153014.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

[shipwreck]

Ta-Dow!
http://www.speedtest.net/result/1018161072.png

[lebkin]

The dismissal of ESPN3 is easy if you have never used it (or can't use it). For me, it is a god send. The availability is not based on your cable provider, but by your internet provider. You do not have to have cable at all to us it.

Case in point, I have no cable service at all. So no ESPN for me. But my internet provider does support ESPN3. So on Saturdays, I have six or seven different football games I can choose from to watch. I can easily switch between them at will. Putting that on my Xbox is great. It is far better to watch it there then on my PC. So for me, great benefit.

As for the price increasing, this is the first Xbox Live has ever increased its prices. It was $50 a month on the original Xbox, 8 years ago. Why is it so unreasonable for the price to increase after 8 years?

[Gamer SDP]

I was thinking about going to Times Sq but none of my friends wanted to...yet they're the type that would wait in line for hours for a game or tickets to some stuff.

I think it would have been a great marketing event had wombat gone. shame on you cheapy for not getting him set up...think of the page views, new members (yes more trolls and spam), and overall traffic! as the USD drops in comparison to other currencies you'll need more of it! *end rant*

I think this is the first time the guys (cheapy) called out a user like this. have to find the original post.

I'm upset if the new dashboard really handles espn as wombat and ship mentioned. wtf is the point then?

[Gamer SDP]

Ta-Dow!
http://www.speedtest.net/result/1018161072.png

no way I have a better connection of 2.86 and .73 according to one I did in June. my computer, connected by wireless adapter, is two floors above from where the router and modem are [basement] since thats office space :cry:. ship you spend too much upgrading the mansion, what about your Internets?

[bmulligan]

My PS3 is wired and anytime anyone estimates a lengthy PS3 download, I completely agree with them. It's ridiculous. They must throttle their servers for everyone except sheppyboy2000.

And I already have ESPN with my ATT U-verse service. I'm not sure why I would give a crap about watching it on my Xbox either. Although, in the very near future I will be using my 360 as an ATT cable box, so the point is moot. MS, please return my extra $10 for my Live service and all the other shit I don't care about.

And speaking of shit, why did they take all the style out of the 360 dashboard? Are they reclaiming some memory for all those new Kinect installs ? It's like I downgraded back to windows 3.1 from Vista. I never thought I'd see the day when the xbox dashboard was more boring and more vanilla than the PS3's XMB.

[Falion]

Wombat's retarded raptor voice was hysterical. :D

[shajek]

Why the sudden dismissal of TRON: Legacy? Did you guys not like the first movie?
The new TRON is the top of my most-anticipated movies of the year. I think it will be incredible to watch, but won't do great at the box-office because too many people don't respect the first movie.

Great CAGCast again. May we all get Kinect to play some "Fingerbang!"
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/blog.php?b=16969

[Cantaloup]

Raptor was hilarious. :lol:

[jm2u]

I agree with Wombat and Shipwreck about the look of the new Xbox dashboard - it's a major downgrade. It also took me at least 20 minutes to download and install, even though I have 25/25 Mbps FIOS.

I think the reason it only took CheapyD two minutes is because there weren't many other people hitting the Xbox Japan servers trying to get the update. It was a lot slower for me here on the East coast, almost as slow as the last time I updated my PS3's firmware.

It took me about 5 minutes on 6Mbps. Although, I updated on Thursday. I can't tell you the last time I updated my PS3. 20 minutes seems like a god send if you're talking PS3 updates.

Good show!

Can you even imagine a game coming out for Kinect that would make you buy it? And what would be the compelling gameplay or features? I think if anyone knew the answer to that, we'd have better launch games than Wii Sports 3: Microsoft's Resort.

[eeweathers]

Only your ISP needs to support ESPN3, it's not based on your cable provider. I used to work at Cox Communications, and those of you who don't know it's like Comcast or Charter. ESPN3 used to be known as ESPN360. It's entirely web-based hence, if your ISP supports it, then you can view in on Xbox Live. I don't have cable, I only have internet (cable is useless these days with the Netflix and the Hulu and the Youtube) and I was still able to watch Live football games.

All that being said, I'm in agreement with Wombat about the extra $10 being part of the ESPN Package. When you buy a basic cable package from your cable provider, most of the cost of it is due to ESPN, they command a lot from the cable companies in order for you to be able to watch your sports, and they can do it because they are fairly untouched in that area as far as total sports coverage is concerned. So I'm sure that they are doing the same with microsoft
Outside of Netflix, I can't really think of other features that aren't microsoft property; Zune movies, music, etc... last.fm is free elsewhere, so yeah, ESPN is expensive

[Mahoney07]

Cheapy there are charging stations for PS3 controllers

[Evilsean]

I don't see why everyone puts down a game when they don't update the graphics. Some company build this beautiful game engine like Fable 2 and they want to expand the story and get out a game in a timely manner and one of the first things people mention is that it looks the same. Would you rather live it a world where every game was like Gran Turismo and took forever to come out. That's not a world I want to live in.

[ZForce915]

My thoughts on Kinect and the CAGcast.

We get that you guys don't care for Kinect or the Move, and your reasons are just. My question is, why keep bringing it up if you truly don't care for the technology? Wombat has said, semi-jokingly, that you'd never talk about it again and yet it comes up and a short rant follows.

I'm sure you'll say, "well ZForce, it's news so we need to discuss it, you attractive man you" but I say Nay. You can decide you're going to be done with it and no one would blame you.

[Gamer SDP]

okay I just downloaded the update...then the other update? or install...took about 9 minutes for me. not bad actually

[ZForce915]

okay I just downloaded the update...then the other update? or install...took about 9 minutes for me. not bad actually

The first download is the update, the second progress bar you see is the update. Took less than 10 minutes for me too.

[aerotive]

The dismissal of ESPN3 is easy if you have never used it (or can't use it). For me, it is a god send. The availability is not based on your cable provider, but by your internet provider. You do not have to have cable at all to us it.

Case in point, I have no cable service at all. So no ESPN for me. But my internet provider does support ESPN3. So on Saturdays, I have six or seven different football games I can choose from to watch. I can easily switch between them at will. Putting that on my Xbox is great. It is far better to watch it there then on my PC. So for me, great benefit.

As for the price increasing, this is the first Xbox Live has ever increased its prices. It was $50 a month on the original Xbox, 8 years ago. Why is it so unreasonable for the price to increase after 8 years?

Agreed for those of us who don't want cable, ESPN3 is great. I already have an htpc so putting it on the 360 doesn't do much for me personally, but for anyone who doesn't have a theater pc it's outstanding.

Re: the dashboard, it's a push design-wise but I've noticed that the launch-to-disc option no longer works. Guess it's a bug. Or they want to force people to look at their stupid spotlight crap...it's pretty annoying as I only want to look at anything in the dashboard maybe one in every fifty times I use my 360.

[casamh]

I knew this was going to be a great show when Cheapy sarcasticaly intro'ed with "Motherf@^&in' Kiiiinneeeect!!" hahaha. Wobat's raptor, Ships love doll talk....the best show by far. And that peeing in the shower talk also had me laughing. Then I remembered this guy I met in the army told me how he used to pee on his wife in the shower and she liked it. I quit laughing at that point. Great show guys!

[Archaic]

Just heard the Wombat raptor stuff. Hilarious! It's funny stuff like this (Cheapy playing along, Shipwreck reminding Cheapy subtly not to dis a game that he's based a contest around, etc.) that makes me love the group dynamic of this podcast. This one is my favorite gaming podcast of the week (and I've heard them all), even trumping shows like Giantbomb and Joystiq.

[sheppyboy2000]

I don't see why everyone puts down a game when they don't update the graphics. Some company build this beautiful game engine like Fable 2 and they want to expand the story and get out a game in a timely manner and one of the first things people mention is that it looks the same..

I want you to imagine a world for a second with me. A world where sprites never got updated and instead were ported from various generations of a fighting engine. Such an instance would create a hellacious clashing of styles and resolutions. Got a couple examples for you too. Neo Geo Battle Colliseum and Marvel vs Capcom 2. Artistically, both are a goddam mess and if you feel like characters came from entirely difference games, there's a simple reason. They did.

What's that got to do with anything? Simply put, if companies just reuse the same assets, they aren't making sequels. They're making full priced expansion packs. The bulk of a games budget typically comes from the asset creation process. And just because it has the same engine doesn't mean they learned everything the engine could do.

Also, when the hell did we suddenly adopt this ignorant notion that graphics don't matter? Of course they matter. Otherwise we'd still be playing the Odyssey and Phil Hartman would be trying to sell us hockey games still...

[kodiak_j]

LOL...Wombat was on fire on this episode. lol

[Kezmer]

I am thinking I need to look into these butt washing toilets. I usually have to poop more at work, but I was wondering if I could change my pooping schedule around ? I mean usually I try to poop at work to waste more time, but this might be a good reason to change my biological clock.

[Fjordson]

Great episode. Hilarious stuff.

And I couldn't agree more with Cheapy's initial thoughts on Kinect. Managed to play it for a few hours at a mate's house and it was such a dull experience. Personally, gaming without a controller or mouse and keyboard (and motion control in general) is so completely devoid of fun.

I used to find comfort in how ridiculous the Kinect looked and my belief that it wouldn't get many sales. Unfortunately, it looks like I was terribly wrong on that one. I just pray that gaming without a regular controller or mouse + keyboard doesn't get supplanted as the standard form of gaming any time soon. Cheapy's comment about "our favourite developers focusing on Kinect" is an incredibly scary notion.

On a more positive note, really cool to hear that you're enjoying Undead Nightmare, Cheapy. Admittedly, I was absolutely crazy about the main game as well (especially the story and characters), but I absolutely love Undead Nightmare. I just beat it earlier today and saw that I'd clocked in almost 9 hours. I've payed $60 for retail games that didn't last me that long :lol:. Most certainly the best DLC I've ever played on the 360.

And I find myself saying this just about every week now, but Ship is positively crazy for not liking Red Dead Redemption.

[boylover]

Why do these guys have such terrible and uninformed opinions about the Wii?

CheapieD complains that he doesn't want to play a Wii FPS and that he wants it online.

Well guess what? GoldenEye Wii remake can be played with dual analog controls with either a GameCube controller or the Classic Controller, and the game already has online play!

Epic troll fail.

As much as I love browsing this website and finding good deals on games, I just can't listen to these terrible CAGcasts anymore.

[shipwreck]

Why do these guys have such terrible and uninformed opinions about the Wii?

CheapieD complains that he doesn't want to play a Wii FPS and that he wants it online.

Well guess what? GoldenEye Wii remake can be played with dual analog controls with either a GameCube controller or the Classic Controller, and the game already has online play!

Epic troll fail.

As much as I love browsing this website and finding good deals on games, I just can't listen to these terrible CAGcasts anymore.

What GoldenEye and the Wii offers in general in terms of online play is extremely lacking. There is no voice chat and exchanging friend codes is a cumbersome process. I play my Wii a lot and I enjoy the fact that the three of us have different gaming habits and tastes. Sorry that you think we are terrible.

[eeriedude]

Is anyone else annoyed by the "pleasant" and "family friendly" sounds of the new dashboard, and even the power-on sound?

The dashboard clicks remind me of Zelda menus. . .

Also, awesome show!

[shajek]

What GoldenEye and the Wii offers in general in terms of online play is extremely lacking. There is no voice chat and exchanging friend codes is a cumbersome process. I play my Wii a lot and I enjoy the fact that the three of us have different gaming habits and tastes. Sorry that you think we are terrible.
The Wii is great for couch co-op like a flashback to the N64 days. I don't play as much online as I wish I could because my friend list is lacking, but if the Wii had anything resembling an online presence, I think more people would play the "retro" esqe games

[Phelmo]

Why do these guys have such terrible and uninformed opinions about the Wii?

CheapieD complains that he doesn't want to play a Wii FPS and that he wants it online.

Well guess what? GoldenEye Wii remake can be played with dual analog controls with either a GameCube controller or the Classic Controller, and the game already has online play!

Epic troll fail.

As much as I love browsing this website and finding good deals on games, I just can't listen to these terrible CAGcasts anymore.

There is a large difference between giving your opinion and trolling..

The facts are that the Xbox 360 and even the PS3 are much better equipped for on-line game play and when you compare the Wii to the other two systems the Wii looks pathetic.

[Maute]

The Raptor bit was easily the funniest thing in the show's history.

[Phelmo]

The Raptor bit was easily the funniest thing in the show's history.

I was expecting Cheapy to shut him down when I heard Wombat put on the Raptor voice.. Luckily Cheapy decided to ditch his shutting-down tendencies and allowed one of the funniest CAG-Cast moments in it's history to go ahead.

[RichMeisterMan]

I checked out the ESPN thing yesterday and watched the Bulls lose in OT. It was actually pretty sweet.

I am under the impression that wombat didn't check it out before he decided to shitcan it. There's quite a bit of content that comes with it.

I also really like that it is presented in HD, because I don't have HD cable and this is free of charge!

[Z_meista]

I enjoyed Wombat's raptor bit.. hahaha..

[boylover]

What GoldenEye and the Wii offers in general in terms of online play is extremely lacking. There is no voice chat and exchanging friend codes is a cumbersome process. I play my Wii a lot and I enjoy the fact that the three of us have different gaming habits and tastes. Sorry that you think we are terrible.

It's true that GoldenEye specifically doesn't have voice chat but several games do. The online is still functional without voice chat though.

But I think it's ridiculous that CheapyD is completely dismissing the entire FPS genre on the Wii. Especially since GoldenEye has the option of dual analog for those of you who can't "learn" pointer controls. The single player game is really great, and the multiplayer is online whether or not he finds it too bothersome to exchange friend codes (which isn't even necessary to do to jump into an online game since there is matchmaking).

[Thomas96]

Every system has issues, in the 80s / 90s we all blew into NES carts to get them to work.. and even with that issue we enjoyed the system. SNES had an issue where after long term use there would be a short in the power cord. PS2 had disc read errors... Xbox 360, had you guys makng videos and spending time putting towels around the system to try and get it to work. PS3 has some slow downloads... big fucking deal. Every system has problems but you just have fun with it anyways.

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[dragon-x]

I agree on Red Dead's new expansion, it's awesome! and worth the $10

[trip1eX]

It's true that GoldenEye specifically doesn't have voice chat but several games do. The online is still functional without voice chat though.

But I think it's ridiculous that CheapyD is completely dismissing the entire FPS genre on the Wii. Especially since GoldenEye has the option of dual analog for those of you who can't "learn" pointer controls. The single player game is really great, and the multiplayer is online whether or not he finds it too bothersome to exchange friend codes (which isn't even necessary to do to jump into an online game since there is matchmaking).

The fact is all the money is going towards fps games on the 360 and PS3 and Cheapie doesn't like the Wii.

Wombat mostly doesn't like it.

And Ship plays everything.

Them the facts 'mam. Yes Cheapie is ignorant, but at least he's honest. He doesn't play Wii games and doesn't really want to.

Listen to this week's Weekend Confirmed podcast. One of the hosts/guests comes out in the first 5 minutes and says GoldenEye sp was so much more fun than Modern Warfare 2 sp and all the Halo sp games.

(oh and personally I like the Wii and think the wiimote/nunchuk are the direction where future videogame controls are headed. But think most Wii fps games are junk.)

[FBI-Butters]

Hey guys, anyone know the name of that iphone game that cheapy was talking out where you own your on video game company ?

EDIT : I believe it was on last weeks show,

[shipwreck]

Hey guys, anyone know the name of that iphone game that cheapy was talking out where you own your on video game company ?

EDIT : I believe it was on last weeks show,

Game Dev Story

[volt1up]

@CheapyD

has Jean Snow ever actually been on the podcast? Somebody pointed out that Esteban (aka @lonesteban) has had him on his podcast (callofpodcast) and I think also on the grasshopper manufacture podcast he hosts. Did he beat you to it?

[Blade3D]

I picked up Game Dev Story, can't put my iPhone down now. Thanks CheapyD

[AvidWriter]

The Raptor bit was easily the funniest thing in the show's history. - Indeed.

That raptor bit was funny as hell. The best part of the CAGCast in a long time. Kudos Wombat, you've undone anything negative for the past 50 CAGCasts with that one.

[Kezmer]

@CheapyD

has Jean Snow ever actually been on the podcast? Somebody pointed out that Esteban (aka @lonesteban) has had him on his podcast (callofpodcast) and I think also on the grasshopper manufacture podcast he hosts. Did he beat you to it?


If Jean Snow was on the podcast and you played the CAG drinking game every time Cheapy said Jean Snow, we would be wasted in the first 30 minutes !

[sheppyboy2000]

It's true that GoldenEye specifically doesn't have voice chat but several games do. The online is still functional without voice chat though.

But I think it's ridiculous that CheapyD is completely dismissing the entire FPS genre on the Wii. Especially since GoldenEye has the option of dual analog for those of you who can't "learn" pointer controls. The single player game is really great, and the multiplayer is online whether or not he finds it too bothersome to exchange friend codes (which isn't even necessary to do to jump into an online game since there is matchmaking).

Condescending much? Just because someone doesn't dedicate 500+ hours learning a control scheme to defend $250 spent, doesn't mean they can't. Look, let me break this down for you.

MOST of what makes CheapyD rep 360 so much isn't even Microsofts doing. Live has the bigger more active install base for him and his friends. They get more exclusives, etc. When he ranked the systems last week, PS3 took such a hit because of lack of Sony exclusives (if we were talking just this holiday season, yeah.. but overall?) and Sony's amazing inability to instantly transplant his Xbox Live community. And I do mean that. Without a mass exodus from Live to PSN, PSN hasn't a snowballs chance in hell of surpassing Live in the hearts and minds of most gamers.

Now think about that then think about PSN, that has issues, many of which have been fixed but keep being restated as ongoing problems. Think about PSN, the inferior product. How little it does compared to 360 (which is very, very little compared to Steam that frankly curbstomps everyone's teeth in). Now look further...

There, at the bottom. Wii. "But it has matchmaking!!!" So did several Dreamcast and PS2 games. The friends system is broken, the voice chat isn't supported, the community aspect simply does not exist in any way, shape, or form, and frankly, turning on any of the other systems and being instantly plugged into a community is something Wii, frankly, does not have.

Now consider consider the graphics. Boohoo, graphics don't matter. Except for the other 20 years Nintendo fans claimed graphics did matter because Nintendo had better. Facing facts, a lot of FPS's are a visual treat, set pieces, things exploding everywhere, and Wii has a hard time of this. Someone not being interested on an FPS on your chosen system is someone not being interested in an FPS on your chosen system. I mean hell, $50 for Goldeneye is $10, and only $10, cheaper than many top tier FPS's being released this holiday season.

[banodyne]

I think Microsoft including Alan Wake in the holiday bundle is a good sign that they'll go forward with a sequel. They'll want to as many people as possible to play it. Why? They spent a fortune on the tech for Alan Wake. Now that the engine has been built, a sequel would be much cheaper and quicker to produce. They'll want to recoup their R&D somehow.

The way the story ended I wouldn't be surprised if it picks up with his wife, Alice Wake. That keeps the A.Wake theme going.

[Thomas96]

Condescending much? Just because someone doesn't dedicate 500+ hours learning a control scheme to defend $250 spent, doesn't mean they can't. Look, let me break this down for you.

MOST of what makes CheapyD rep 360 so much isn't even Microsofts doing. Live has the bigger more active install base for him and his friends. They get more exclusives, etc. When he ranked the systems last week, PS3 took such a hit because of lack of Sony exclusives (if we were talking just this holiday season, yeah.. but overall?) and Sony's amazing inability to instantly transplant his Xbox Live community. And I do mean that. Without a mass exodus from Live to PSN, PSN hasn't a snowballs chance in hell of surpassing Live in the hearts and minds of most gamers.

Now think about that then think about PSN, that has issues, many of which have been fixed but keep being restated as ongoing problems. Think about PSN, the inferior product. How little it does compared to 360 (which is very, very little compared to Steam that frankly curbstomps everyone's teeth in). Now look further...

There, at the bottom. Wii. "But it has matchmaking!!!" So did several Dreamcast and PS2 games. The friends system is broken, the voice chat isn't supported, the community aspect simply does not exist in any way, shape, or form, and frankly, turning on any of the other systems and being instantly plugged into a community is something Wii, frankly, does not have.

Now consider consider the graphics. Boohoo, graphics don't matter. Except for the other 20 years Nintendo fans claimed graphics did matter because Nintendo had better. Facing facts, a lot of FPS's are a visual treat, set pieces, things exploding everywhere, and Wii has a hard time of this. Someone not being interested on an FPS on your chosen system is someone not being interested in an FPS on your chosen system. I mean hell, $50 for Goldeneye is $10, and only $10, cheaper than many top tier FPS's being released this holiday season.


I just want to say one thing about PSN... a long time ago, Cheapy, Wombat, used to gave game nights with the CAG community.. I remember we did Halo and Warhawk, and some Killzone (and some others) but those nights that we played on PS3... we were able to to get ALL CAGS into 1 room for big matches, whereas with xbox they had to have multiple rooms set up with them visiting each room. Say what you will about PSN.. but the fact that it runs smooth with 32 players, 36 players and 40 players at a time imo speaks volumes about its services. Also, to date, I don't know of any Xbox gave that allows more than 16 players in a room at a time. I know MAG isn't very popular, but to date, I've haven't seen Xbox replicate online of its 256 player magnitude, and until they do reproduce it... I'd have to say that PSN is better in that aspect (and wonder if its even POSSIBLE to do that on 360). But hey, PSN sucks right?

[shipwreck]

I just want to say one thing about PSN... a long time ago, Cheapy, Wombat, used to gave game nights with the CAG community.. I remember we did Halo and Warhawk, and some Killzone (and some others) but those nights that we played on PS3... we were able to to get ALL CAGS into 1 room for big matches, whereas with xbox they had to have multiple rooms set up with them visiting each room. Say what you will about PSN.. but the fact that it runs smooth with 32 players, 36 players and 40 players at a time imo speaks volumes about its services. Also, to date, I don't know of any Xbox gave that allows more than 16 players in a room at a time. I know MAG isn't very popular, but to date, I've haven't seen Xbox replicate online of its 256 player magnitude, and until they do reproduce it... I'd have to say that PSN is better in that aspect (and wonder if its even POSSIBLE to do that on 360). But hey, PSN sucks right?

I don't really want to get into this argument, but I know Frontlines supported 50 players on the Xbox 360 and Section 8 supported 32. There may be more, but those were the two I remember off the top of my head. It can certainly be done, but more people isn't always a better experience. You're correct about nothing on 360 coming close to 256 players online though.

[Thomas96]

I don't really want to get into this argument, but I know Frontlines supported 50 players on the Xbox 360 and Section 8 supported 32. There may be more, but those were the two I remember off the top of my head. It can certainly be done, but more people isn't always a better experience. You're correct about nothing on 360 coming close to 256 players online though.

You're right that more people doesn't always make a better experience, (definitely didn't help in Section 8 which is one of the worst games this century) however the point that I'm making is in regards to the quality of PSN. When PSN started it was Resistance: Fall of Man 1-40 players online. [Running Smoothly] 1-40 since day one! People want to sit around and say that the quality xbox live is way beyond PSN.. due to some bells and whistles, but when it comes to the meat and potatoes - in this case: Online Play.. the number of players online [feature] is one in which Xbox Live had to catch up to PSN [literally]

[PapiChullo]

Just to add to the ESPN3 convo, even if you already have ESPN on your cable network, it allows you to watch games that might not be on in your local viewing area. So, it’s not always going to be just a rehash of what’s already on your television. But I do agree that if that’s the cause for a price increase, it should’ve been an option, especially since it’s a free service on your normal browser.

[Tybee]

Really enjoyed this episode, what with all the raptoring and rectal cleansing. In fact, there has been so much robo-bidet talk of late that you might seriously consider changing the name of the show to Clean Ass Gamer.

We've had one of these magical toilet seats for almost three years now and my parents have two (they bought us ours for Christmas). Toto is the most well-known manufacturer, but Izen (http://www.i-bidet.com/iZEN.html), the Korean company that makes ours, has also made big inroads in America (their U.S. distributorship is based here in Atlanta, probably because we have a large Korean population).

People who've never tried one can scoff all they want, but the thing seriously changes your life. I honestly do not know how we got along without it. Sitting down on a warm toilet seat on a January morning is worth the price of admission alone. But there is simply nothing like walking around with a perfectly clean ass. I never was fond of shitting in a public restroom, but it's even more difficult now knowing the difference between that and what I have available at home.

If my TV blew up, my oven broke, or my router went down, I could manage for a few days, no problem. But the minute my magic toilet breaks, I'm hauling ass to the store to get a new one, I assure you.

[sheppyboy2000]

You're right that more people doesn't always make a better experience, (definitely didn't help in Section 8 which is one of the worst games this century) however the point that I'm making is in regards to the quality of PSN. When PSN started it was Resistance: Fall of Man 1-40 players online. [Running Smoothly] 1-40 since day one! People want to sit around and say that the quality xbox live is way beyond PSN.. due to some bells and whistles, but when it comes to the meat and potatoes - in this case: Online Play.. the number of players online [feature] is one in which Xbox Live had to catch up to PSN [literally]

Here's a novel idea. One I hinted at earlier. Play what you like and don't give creedence to dissenting opinions. Enjoy your games/platform/stuffed animal with the crotch ripped.

[turkeycat79]

I vote Wombat for the coveted dream sequence talking Raptor in Jurassic Park 4! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__UjBbz2PoA&feature=related

[maxchain]

Just dusting off my account to say that the raptor bit was hilarious.

[SeanNOLA]

KinectSux.com is available, FYI.