GGT 61's Gonna Give You Slim Jims For Christmas, Cuz We Gotta Buy Mario All Stars

[distgfx]

It's a black name.

A french black name?

[Chacrana]

A french black name?

Just black.

[corrosivefrost]

Just black.

You straight.

[distgfx]

You straight.

Nah man, he twisted.

[Chacrana]

You straight.

Even after what I said to hank?

...Thanks, man.

[CaptainJoel]

Your last name Terrell, Chac? That's mine, too! WE'RE RELATED!!!

[Chacrana]

No, my first name is Jonnetrelle. I expand that into Jonathan the Terrel. It is not my real last name.

I also go by Joshua Chang, of the Chang Dynasty. You know of us?

[CaptainJoel]

I do know a few Changs, actually. I used to be waist deep in Asian booty all the time.

[hankmecrankme]

A french black name?
You mean Haitian?
No, my first name is Jonnetrelle. I expand that into Jonathan the Terrel. It is not my real last name.

I also go by Joshua Chang, of the Chang Dynasty. You know of us?
I know of PF Changs. Is that your family business?
I do know a few Changs, actually. I used to be waist deep in Asian booty all the time.
Pics plz.

[Chacrana]

I've never heard of PF Changs. Right now, we are trying to overthrow Lu Bu.

[Jesus_S_Preston]

My god are any of you fuckers white

Really shoulda studied for my world civ final instead of spending 3 hours fighting the same boss in Tales.

[hankmecrankme]

Yellow Turbans for life.

I usually roll with the Black Turbans.

[CaptainJoel]

You mean Haitian?

Pics plz.
You mean New Orleanean?

And I'm sadly not allowed to keep pictures of my exes anymore. :( Sad, sad byproduct of being engaged.

[hankmecrankme]

Oh yeah, Nawlens too. Love their food.

[Jesus_S_Preston]

I can't believe Mama's Family is on DVD.

[whoknows]

You mean you can't believe it because it's a dream come true?

[hankmecrankme]

I can't believe Mama's Family is on DVD.

Cannot wait for Mama's Family on Bluray. :bouncy::bouncy::bouncy:

[Jesus_S_Preston]

When I was a kid I used to watch it before school on TBS along with Saved by the Bell and SAVED BY THE BELL THE COLLEGE YEARS and SAVED BY THE BELL WEDDING IN LAS VEGAS

[whoknows]

I was too cool to watch Saved By The Bell back then. Didn't know there were college years, etc.

[Jesus_S_Preston]

By the time I watched Saved by the Bell it was well past popular, I was only born like 2 years before they went to college and that only lasted one season. By the time I started watching they were in rerun land and Zach Morris had a hilarious cell phone

http://www.movieprop.com/tvandmovie/savedbythebell/missblisscast.jpg

and a hidden erection

[hankmecrankme]

By the time I watched Saved by the Bell it was well past popular, I was only born like 2 years before they went to college and that only lasted one season. By the time I started watching they were in rerun land and Zach Morris had a hilarious cell phone

http://www.movieprop.com/tvandmovie/savedbythebell/missblisscast.jpg

and a hidden erection

Your parents were still being saved by the bell when you were born.

[Jesus_S_Preston]

Wrong, my mom dropped out of---

Son of a bitch

[gunm]

I do know a few Changs, actually. I used to be waist deep in Asian booty all the time.




:bs:


Speaking of booty, never judge a white girl by her lack of bubble. I met one back in college who was tall, thin, somewhat large-chested, but flat in the back. Come to find out later that booty was as soft as a goose-down pillow.

[ninja dog]

the sweet taste of freedom...tastes like blazblue and strawberry cough. 8-)

[corrosivefrost]

the sweet taste of freedom...tastes like blazblue and strawberry cough. 8-)

Does this mean I should cough up the cash and put an order in to amazon?

[gunm]

I don't want to know what a "strawberry cough" means, let alone tastes like. Sounds TWISTED...

[icebeast]

I don't want to know what a "strawberry cough" means, let alone tastes like. Sounds TWISTED...

Sounds like something that might happen either in the course of or after a "rainbow kiss."

[gunm]

Sounds like something that might happen either in the course of or after a "rainbow kiss."



I don't know what a "rainbow kiss" is, nor do I want to know.

unless you show me <3TWISTED!!!

[hankmecrankme]

Yo, that's so twisted.

[ninja dog]

Does this mean I should cough up the cash and put an order in to amazon?



sure! I don't have a headset, but I'll play. I use Noel and Taokaka


I can't believe the DLC prices for this game though. $8 per character?! Are you fucking kidding me?! :rofl:

I don't want to know what a "strawberry cough" means, let alone tastes like. Sounds TWISTED...

a strong strain of weed! shit is twystyd sister

[CaptainJoel]

:bs:


Speaking of booty, never judge a white girl by her lack of bubble. I met one back in college who was tall, thin, somewhat large-chested, but flat in the back. Come to find out later that booty was as soft as a goose-down pillow.
I never judge because of booty, I judge chests. 8-) And it's not BS, living around a military base where a majority of the population is Korean and Japanese I dated lots of them.

[Mr. Beef]

My god are any of you fuckers white
Don't let the name fool you. Chac is as white as they come. He ain't even TWWWWWWWWWWISTED, he's as straight as an arrow.

[The Mana Knight]

I don't work there anymore. I was working there while going to school full time. One of the reasons I disappeared from the GGT a little while back was me finishing school, quitting Gamestop, and getting a real job.It's understandable. Despite the awesome degree I got, I my job only requires two years of college. But eh, I'm just building up experience while continuing to explore opportunities (and go for my Masters).

Is Playstation+ worth it? I'm tempted to bite seeing how good the deals are this round and possibly later...

I have $32 already in my wallet from some cheap trade-ins I did a while ago (2x turned $3 purchases into $45 of credit)Just get PSN+.

[ninja dog]

wait...there's a Continuum Shift 2 coming out? I wonder if they'll beat their record for rereleases of Guilty Gear.

[icebeast]

Chac is as white as they come. He ain't even TWWWWWWWWWWISTED, he's as straight as an arrow.

That basically describes me, except a lot of people think I'm a stoner (not sure why, I guess maybe because of how I dress).

But you know who is TWWWWWWWISTED:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sze12lSbNZY&feature=related

[hankmecrankme]

Most people think I'm homeless because of how I dress.

[gunm]

The mountain man/manson beard does have a certain je ne sais quoi.

[hankmecrankme]

The mountain man/manson beard does have a certain je ne sais quoi.

That's the serial killer look.

This older lady at a bar, probably in her late 30s to early 40s, said "You have a great smile, why do you hide it under all of this facial hair?" I wanted to say "Why are you wearing a Marty McFly vest?"

http://lukejohnson.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/marty-mcfly.jpg

No, I didn't hit it. End of story.

[Jesus_S_Preston]

Prinny is too difficult also

[gunm]

That's the serial killer look.

This older lady at a bar, probably in her late 30s to early 40s, said "You have a great smile, why do you hide it under all of this facial hair?" I wanted to say "Why are you wearing a Marty McFly vest?"


No, I didn't hit it. End of story.


Julianne Moore is 50. I'd do her with the McFly vest on....straight up TWISTED. 8-)

Tonight I will try to get some DCUO beta in. Time to be a VILLAIN. Maybe I'll pick Sorcerer class.

[hankmecrankme]

Julianne Moore is 50. I'd do her with the McFly vest on....straight up TWISTED. 8-)
Amen to that. She strolls in wearing nothing but the McFly vest, it's game time. 8-)

[corrosivefrost]

sure! I don't have a headset, but I'll play. I use Noel and Taokaka


I can't believe the DLC prices for this game though. $8 per character?! Are you fucking kidding me?! :rofl:


I was fuckin' around with Ragna/Hakumen in BB:CT.

I'm actually gonna wait for a minute on BB:CS though, I have a $20 voucher for a gamestop.com purchase and a $25 GC coming, so I can get it free.

[distgfx]

wait...there's a Continuum Shift 2 coming out? I wonder if they'll beat their record for rereleases of Guilty Gear.

It's going to be a patch, calm down, damn.

[gunm]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/708497.html

[hankmecrankme]

More like the Turd Birthday.

/clever

[Chacrana]

wtf beef I ain't white I as black as they get

[BlueScrote]

Can't wait for the steam sale next week. Its going to be..

[CaptainJoel]

DCUO is being a cocksucker and not letting me play.

Queued to login: 200 in line.
Estimated wait: 17 hours.

[dallow]

Yay, finally got an Age of Empires Online beta code.

[ninja dog]

It's going to be a patch, calm down, damn.


dude, 4 versions of GGX and 5 versions of GGXX, 7 if you count the PSP games. I'm like a rape victim

[Mr. Beef]

wtf beef I ain't white I as black as they get
Nah bro, you white. Obama is blacker than you are.

[hankmecrankme]

Nah bro, you white. Obama is blacker than you are.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3384/3212010794_fdd71db57c.jpg?v=0

[Chacrana]

Nah bro, you white. Obama is blacker than you are.

Look, motherfucker, it doesn't matter HOW black I am. The only thing that matters is that I am black, and that you're a piece of shit.

Besides, why the fuck would I wanna be this black!?

http://whatabong.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/obama-Smoking.jpg

[hankmecrankme]

http://www.cityweekly.net/utah/imgs/blogs/blog2388widea.jpg

[Jimbo Slice]

Way to ruin it for everyone, Joel.

If tick throws exist in Tekken 3, I was good at them. I beat my friend into the floor about 7 times over using 98% throws and counters. He got so pissed he stopped playing and went and sat at my kitchen table and started trying to do the calculus homework we had. I felt pretty bad. I think I threw a few matches after that purposefully when he started playing again. ^__^

I think it had something to do with the fact that whatever moves he was using (and I was blocking or dodging) had slow recovery so I was able to initiate the throws before he could input another move.

Shame I wasn't good with King and the chain throw timing, otherwise it might have been worse.

Which reminds me, I've never been able to understand throw escapes in Tekken -- and it's become an increasing priority for me as my good friend from work owns with King and does the 5+ deep throw on me almost all the time if he can connect with the first hit.

You should tell your friend to crouch or break the throws. It is simple in Tekken. A throw performed with Left Punch and Left Kick (Square and X if you are playing on Playstation) is broken with Left Punch. A throw performed with Right Punch and Right Kick (Triangle and Circle) is broken with Right Punch. Special or command throws are generally broken by pressing both punches together, but this varies slightly.

The way you break the throw is to press the appropriate button as the other character's arms are grabbing your toon.

As for King's chain throws, all of these commands are broken with either Left Punch, Right Punch or by pressing both Punches at the same time. You input the command as King begins the next throw sequence. Even if you don't have any idea what break to do, you should always be either hitting left punch, right punch or both punches whenever you are going to be thrown. You have a 1 in 3 chance of breaking said throw.
------------------

As a former tournament player in Tekken and some other games, I've had a TON of funny IRL ragequits. One in particular that comes to mind is this dude I used to call Senor Onion, because he would stink. He was a machine beater and a fight provoker (although he would always talk about wanting to fight, but never follow through when I didn't back down /machismo). He would sometimes wear a puffy vest without a shirt underneath it. This is when he was at his most ripe in stench.

Another guy was this dude we would call Angel Man. He was an okay guy, but we would obsessively choose Angel in Tekken Tag Tournament. I never saw him pick Devil (the standard skin for the character). He played ALOT and he always tried the same scrubby shit that would lose him matches. For those of you familiar with Tekken, he would always go for the eye lasers and flying eye lasers, which are a free juggle for any reasonably skilled player. Every match would end with him trying the eye lasers, me side-stepping and juggling him, and him have a suicidal look on his face as he walked away from the machine. I think a few times I tried to help him work on his game, but he wasn't receptive to criticism.

I also have a funny story about traveling to Reading, PA to play these kids from another arcade that were talking alot of shit on TekkenZaibatsu (a forum for advanced Tekken players). It was right when Dark Resurrection came out and no one from my crew had gotten the chance to play it yet, but these kids were practicing quite a bit. Me and 2 of my friends rolled up, and after a few casuals trying out the new characters I decided to pick Jack-5, who I was basically an amateur with (I mainly played Raven and Feng in Tekken 5). Long story short, I close out the arcade with Jack, never losing to any of these kids for the rest of the night. I am literally still beating these other guys as the arcade manager turns the machines off. The whiny bastards cried and cried and cried on the forums afterward and talked a TON of shit. It was funny.

[hankmecrankme]

Story time

All of this is secondary to kicking Triforce's ass in Mahvel.

[corrosivefrost]

Man, that Lara Croft game is the bidness.

[gunm]

Yes, yes it is.

Has anyone tried the DLC for GoL yet? Is it just the same with different skins, or is there more?

[Jimbo Slice]

All of this is secondary to kicking Triforce's ass in Mahvel.

Truth. Whooping anyone's ass that wears a Power Glove is a big win in my book.

Also, anyone have any 48 Hour codes for Live that they could hook me up with? I ordered a new card online, but I could use a few 48 hour codes to hold me over till it arrives and I already used the two I had lying around. If you could just shoot me a PM with them, it would be GREATLY appreciated.

[icebeast]

The brand new Lara looks like she would fit right in with new Dante...
http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/12/500x_tomb_raider_game_informer_cover_art.jpghttp://theworldwentaway.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/dmc-tgs-061.jpg

[DarkNessBear]

fip fap foop.

I'm fully moved out... woo... this sucks.

[gunm]

Nice. The new Lara will be "young and inexperienced". Finally, a western game Chac can fap to.

[Mr. Beef]

Look, motherfucker, it doesn't matter HOW black I am. The only thing that matters is that I am black, and that you're a piece of shit.:rofl: :grouphug:

Nice. The new Lara will be "young and inexperienced". Finally, a western game Chac can fap to.
She better still have huge knockers.

[gunm]

Serious talk: I hope young Lara's tits are normal-sized for a girl her age.


Not serious talk: so the fapping can commence

[icebeast]

This new Lara does have a distinct masculine quality (I actually find it rather alluring). She also looks like more of a man than new Dante (not that you need much to pull that off).

[gunm]

Real talk: she looks like Drake with bewbs.

http://www.reviewstl.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/untitled.bmp



Even part of her tucked in shirt is coming out...holy shit that's not blatant.

[icebeast]

Real talk: she looks like Drake with bewbs.
:hot::oops::hot:

[Mr. Beef]

Those boobs aren't nearly huge enough.

No sale. [-(

[diddy310]

Shh if you keep saying that Nolan North will do her voice.

[RelentlessRolento]

wooh! I sold my Wii!

and the best part is I did it while at a Miami Heat game ^_^

[whoknows]

Well if she's out adventuring why would her shirt be tucked in?

[Jimbo Slice]

Didn't those Heat tickets probably cost more than you sold your Wii for, ReRo?

[gunm]

Not if he was in the nosebleeds.

[Rei no Otaku]

The 3rd Birthday is looking pretty awesome. I really hope it's good...

[CaptainJoel]

I'm disappointed that they shrinked her boobs.

[gunm]

I don't think it would be appropriate to have "Young Lara" with the massive airbags the "Older Lara" has.

I'm curious what the actual game is going to be like and if they are going rip off more than just Nathan Drake's outfit. IMO it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. I would like to see the complete elimination of fighting big cats, dinosaurs, and bugs, and more exploration/puzzles, with modern third person shooter elements.

[RelentlessRolento]

Didn't those Heat tickets probably cost more than you sold your Wii for, ReRo?

Not if he was in the nosebleeds.

this, and due to recovering from a cold, I actually nosebled :bomb:

The stupid thing is I'm turning my Wii cash into a new ipod touch since my old one got thrown into a pool early this year. There's alot I want to play on the thing as well as develop for, especially since the SDK for Unreal 3 Engine will be working with iOS publicly soon now.

[gunm]

Unreal engine doesn't seem like your style ReeRee.

[hankmecrankme]

Unreal engine doesn't seem like your style ReeRee.

Dude. Picture it. Envirobear with Unreal 3 graphics. @__@

I have back to back gigs this weekend, Friday and Saturday. Busy time.

[RelentlessRolento]

Unreal engine doesn't seem like your style ReeRee.


It's what it can do that counts ^_^

Basing the engine off style I'm guessing ur basing it off what's been made with it? I want to just use the power of it to make everything I do look better :P

Dude. Picture it. Envirobear with Unreal 3 graphics. @__@

I have back to back gigs this weekend, Friday and Saturday. Busy time.

Actually there's a realism mode in Enviro Bear if you pick up shrooms, no lie. It looks like unreal stuff.

and awesome on the gig. After I'm fucking done with this new video I got picked up to do I'd enjoy still doing a video for your band for fun.


I just put my order in for a 32gb iTouch on amazon since it comes with a $25 giftcard ^_^ I'll put that gift money to LBP2.

I also threw in Katamari Forever since I've been meaning to get it for a while, and $16 for it is cheaper than the first two games combined, which it actually is.... which I actually still have... which I can't play >_<

[dallow]

32GB is the right choice.

I'm having to delete apps on my 16GB iPad and that's with no music or video on it.

[gunm]

I want to just use the power of it to make everything I do look better



So this:

http://ryangenno.tripod.com/images/2600adventure.gif


Will turn into:

http://www.gameinformer.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer-Blogs-Components-WeblogFiles/00-00-00-00-06/5415.demonssoulshero.jpg

[RelentlessRolento]

32GB is the right choice.

I'm having to delete apps on my 16GB iPad and that's with no music or video on it.


I use to own a 16gb 2nd gen iTouch and a few weeks before it got thrown in the pool I hit the max... I had to start deleting music and whatnot which I wasnt happy about >_<

the 8gb is trash IMHO and I still dont know why (im sure theres a money reason) apple dosnt make the lower end model a 16gb yet. whatever.

I'm just glad to finally get one. I'll probably have it a few days before christmas since I'm in no rush.


also, is this thing any good? thinking about getting it for my sister since she plays alot of NES tetris... if not I might just get her a new pin connector for her NES

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001VDZN3O?ie=UTF8&tag=entertaconsum-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B001VDZN3O

[RelentlessRolento]

So this:

http://ryangenno.tripod.com/images/2600adventure.gif


Will turn into:

http://www.gameinformer.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer-Blogs-Components-WeblogFiles/00-00-00-00-06/5415.demonssoulshero.jpg


think more along the lines of this:

http://gameslatest.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/3d-dot-game-heroes.jpg

as well as

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/109/1090140/el-shaddai-screenshots-20100517002543410.jpg

[gunm]

I'll be curious to see what you come up with then!

[Jesus_S_Preston]

WHY

WHY DOES THE FIRE ALARM

ALWAYS

AT 3AM

EVERY TIME
sljldodjgkkfhxdyhjtkhlufytrtyuihluuytrtkgydtraty

[gunm]

'Cause the RA wants to see your tighty whities.

Speaking of which: what do I think of Mark Wahlberg being cast as Nathan Drake in the Uncharted live action movie?

http://cdn.fd.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Marky_Nawt-You-8bit.gif

NAWT YEW.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_kGWWHwUXs

[distgfx]

I use to own a 16gb 2nd gen iTouch and a few weeks before it got thrown in the pool I hit the max... I had to start deleting music and whatnot which I wasnt happy about >_<

the 8gb is trash IMHO and I still dont know why (im sure theres a money reason) apple dosnt make the lower end model a 16gb yet. whatever.

I'm just glad to finally get one. I'll probably have it a few days before christmas since I'm in no rush.


also, is this thing any good? thinking about getting it for my sister since she plays alot of NES tetris... if not I might just get her a new pin connector for her NES

(http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001VDZN3O?ie=UTF8&tag=entertaconsum-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B001VDZN3O)http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001VDZN3O?ie=UTF8&tag=entertaconsum-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B001VDZN3O

Yea, it won't have a 300% markup.

[RelentlessRolento]

I'll be curious to see what you come up with then!


I'm not that good, but I have to see how far the developer I work with want to go. We've had a bumpy ride since most of our programmers keep going off to new jobs at big name companies >_<

A new project that is mostly in concept at the moment is developing though and we are still going to head back to our older projects once we can attach new coders :)

Yea, it won't have a 300% markup.


QFT

[distgfx]

I'm not that good, but I have to see how far the developer I work with want to go. We've had a bumpy ride since most of our programmers keep going off to new jobs at big name companies >_<

A new project that is mostly in concept at the moment is developing though and we are still going to head back to our older projects once we can attach new coders :)

You're actually coding them now? I thought you just did the art for them.

[panzerfaust]

why do collector's editions always include some sort of action figure these days? like, even on M rated games.

do people actually like those?

[distgfx]

why do collector's editions always include some sort of action figure these days? like, even on M rated games.

do people actually like those?

I know people who like to collect them, I'm not entirely sure why myself. Different strokes for different folks.

[panzerfaust]

just seems like a small demographic to appeal to, or maybe i'm wrong.

[RelentlessRolento]

You're actually coding them now? I thought you just did the art for them.

I do barely any of the coding... you read it wrong (or i wrote it wrong).

The coders we have get hired as soon as we get foot deep into work, thus no one to code.


I have a ton of assets done of art for a number of games, but nothing yet to apply them to since each game that has started development loses its coder in some form or another -_-

[BlueScrote]

Real talk: she looks like Drake with bewbs.

picture

Even part of her tucked in shirt is coming out...holy shit that's not blatant.

That doesn't surprise me at all, TBH. I hope they are getting back on track with the TR franchise. At one point Lara Croft was the most iconic female game character (hell maybe she still is i don't know).

I do barely any of the coding... you read it wrong (or i wrote it wrong).

The coders we have get hired as soon as we get foot deep into work, thus no one to code.


I have a ton of assets done of art for a number of games, but nothing yet to apply them to since each game that has started development loses its coder in some form or another -_-


Gotta treat your coders right bro or they'll leave you.

[CaptainJoel]

why do collector's editions always include some sort of action figure these days? like, even on M rated games.

do people actually like those?
I collect them, actually. And with the exception of Reach, I've loved them all.

----------
Man, I'm one trophy away from having them all in X-Men already.

[seanr1221]

98.6% of collectors editions are junk.

[ihadFG]

why do collector's editions always include some sort of action figure these days? like, even on M rated games.

do people actually like those?

I like them when they are well-made, such as the Bioshock CE figurine.

...Actually that's the only one I can think of at the moment that had a well-made figurine.

[icebeast]

why do collector's editions always include some sort of action figure these days? like, even on M rated games.

do people actually like those?

Totally agree, what we actually need is more of,
these:http://www.geekologie.com/2010/02/01/boob-pads.jpg

and these:http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4669/pillowscreen001re6.jpg

[Jesus_S_Preston]

:D

My roommate has a copy of Digimon World 3 on his desk.

Man.

When I was a kid I wanted to play that game SO BAD, I used to see ads for it on Fox Kids and read about in shitty magazines. But I didn't have a playstation so it was just one of many games I could not play.

[icebeast]

In all seriousness if it isn't a game I'm really excited about I never get a Collector's Edition; and when I do usually my favorite item to get is an artbook since I like to look at art.

[gunm]

Played some DCUO last night. It's ok, but so far my Sorcerer character only has one decent move that I need to spam over and over to do any meaningful damage. Having the summoned pet/mask thingy helps a lot.

[whoknows]

Totally agree, what we actually need is more of,
these:http://www.geekologie.com/2010/02/01/boob-pads.jpg

and these:http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4669/pillowscreen001re6.jpg
On that white mousepad, with the way her face is, it looks like her back is facing you :hot:

[icebeast]

On that white mousepad, with the way her face is, it looks like her back is facing you :hot:

You must not watch enough anime, breasts on your back is the new in thing.

[dallow]

So does fight club not work anymore?
:(

[corrosivefrost]

Oh, don't give us that. You milked the fuck out of fight club for free. :P

--

n-dawg -- I just ordered my BB:CS ps3.

[Jesus_S_Preston]

Final presentation cancelled, home tonight!

[icebeast]

Final presentation cancelled, Home tonight!

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/06/homebeta2.jpg

[gunm]

So does fight club not work anymore?
:(



YMMV (via email at least--my preferred method). Where I never really had issues before, most recently, some reps have denied me, while others have not.

[whoknows]

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/06/homebeta2.jpg

I like HOME

[icebeast]

I like HOME
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_oBOOBz27A7Y/S-RjoCQgCXI/AAAAAAAAABw/GFu97qVJwKA/s1600/home2.jpg

[CaptainJoel]

I hate HOME so so sooo much.

Also, I liked this week's Tester.

[whoknows]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_oBOOBz27A7Y/S-RjoCQgCXI/AAAAAAAAABw/GFu97qVJwKA/s1600/home2.jpg
That's why HOME is game of the millenium

[RelentlessRolento]

Gotta treat your coders right bro or they'll leave you.

Its more along the lines of budget. Our main team (me and one other guy) primarily work for free since all profit is based off released product.

[manthing]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_oBOOBz27A7Y/S-RjoCQgCXI/AAAAAAAAABw/GFu97qVJwKA/s1600/home2.jpg

Needs moar Running Man

[gunm]

Needs moar piledriving and suplexing.

[Chibi_Kaji]

why do collector's editions always include some sort of action figure these days? like, even on M rated games.

do people actually like those?
Sure, I like to pick up one every now and then. I actually just brought a few Iron Man figures and a Grimlock recently...

[Mr. Beef]

My roommate has a copy of Digimon World 3 on his desk.

Man.

When I was a kid I wanted to play that game SO BAD, I used to see ads for it on Fox Kids and read about in shitty magazines. But I didn't have a playstation so it was just one of many games I could not play.It's aged alright, but the lack of instant transport combined with the amount of backtracking you have to do kinda kills the fun.

If it weren't for those two things, it'd be amazing.

[jab1235]

my cousin spent $70 for turtle beaches so she could play Black ops better, her k.d. is .32... i laugh at the money and time wasted!

[Chacrana]

Wooo finally done.

Watching Eden of the East. Gonna play games later.

Didn't drank too much earlier, but I did fall asleep when I got back to my apt. Probably a combo of sleep deprivation and alcohol. ^_^

[distgfx]

I do barely any of the coding... you read it wrong (or i wrote it wrong).

The coders we have get hired as soon as we get foot deep into work, thus no one to code.


I have a ton of assets done of art for a number of games, but nothing yet to apply them to since each game that has started development loses its coder in some form or another -_-

Gotta treat your coders right bro or they'll leave you.

Yea, pretty much this... having done a bit of each when making a game, coding is definitely the hardest part, hands down.

Oh, don't give us that. You milked the fuck out of fight club for free. :P

--

n-dawg -- I just ordered my BB:CS ps3.

Fight Club got nerfed? It's about fucking time amazon caught on.

BBCS? Another fighter has emerged from the darkest corners of the galaxy, will we be united in a battle to the death? We better be.

[whoknows]

I might get BB: CS someday too.


Someday

[distgfx]

I might get BB: CS someday too.


Someday

By that time, BlazBlue Continuing the Continuum Shift of Calamity Trigger 37 will be out.

[whoknows]

By that time, BlazBlue Continuing the Continuum Shift of Calamity Trigger 37 will be out.

That's the one I'm waiting for actually.

[RelentlessRolento]

Yea, pretty much this... having done a bit of each when making a game, coding is definitely the hardest part, hands down.

I disagree even though I want to agree with you. Art looks easier, but is just as hard, as well as sound and design work.

Having coded (and still doing so badly), I can say it is super fucking hard especially after staring at text for over 5 hours. Same goes for artists, etc, except instead of text its either wave forms or 500 different shades of the color orange.

but yeah, we treat everyone damn good, but dollars always ring louder than good workflow >_<


also, just for random reasons...

http://hmq.pos.to/gallery/img/bayonetta/bayonetta1.gifhttp://hmq.pos.to/gallery/img/bayonetta/bayonetta2.gifhttp://hmq.pos.to/gallery/img/bayonetta/bayonetta3.gif

[Mr. Beef]

By that time, BlazBlue Continuing the Continuum Shift of Calamity Trigger 37 will be out.
Let me know when the one with all the DLC on one disc comes out.

[BlueScrote]

Sure, I like to pick up one every now and then. I actually just brought a few Iron Man figures and a Grimlock recently...

Good call on grimlock, he was always one of my favorites. I really need to rewatch Transformers Movie 1985.


I disagree even though I want to agree with you. Art looks easier, but is just as hard, as well as sound and design work.

Having coded (and still doing so badly), I can say it is super fucking hard especially after staring at text for over 5 hours. Same goes for artists, etc, except instead of text its either wave forms or 500 different shades of the color orange.

but yeah, we treat everyone damn good, but dollars always ring louder than good workflow >_<


I wish I could do art. I've dabbled in a couple of different engines (most recently unity) and my inability to model pretty much defeats my ability to hack together code.

[Jesus_S_Preston]

Has anyone played the first Prinny game? I'm on the 2 Hours Left stage where you refight all the bosses, on the part right after you face the ninja girl again, and I don't know what to do...there's all these block platforms, but I can't get up any higher.

Nevermind got it

[distgfx]

I disagree even though I want to agree with you. Art looks easier, but is just as hard, as well as sound and design work.

Having coded (and still doing so badly), I can say it is super fucking hard especially after staring at text for over 5 hours. Same goes for artists, etc, except instead of text its either wave forms or 500 different shades of the color orange.

but yeah, we treat everyone damn good, but dollars always ring louder than good workflow >_<


also, just for random reasons...

Like I said, I've been on both sides of that fence and coding takes a lot more effort, imo. I sure as hell wasn't good at art, but at least when I made something it worked and can be put into a game. Now, when you're making an engine, either it works or it doesn't. Hell, even when it does work, there's STILL going to be something wrong with it somehow. You have to seriously bust balls to get your shit working properly, whereas anything an artist makes can just be slapped in, even if it doesn't look good.

Don't forget about about all the research you have to do to get something you want to work properly, or coming up with algorithms to make your shit work the way you're asked to make it work.

It is soooooo annoying, but I still do it because I'm a dumbass.

Now, if we're talking about something like making a menu, then yea, it's probably harder for the artist. The backbone of the game, though? No contest, the programmer.

[hankmecrankme]

Good call on grimlock, he was always one of my favorites. I really need to rewatch Transformers Movie 1985.

Play the Transformers the Movie drinking game. Every time Grimlock starts a sentence with "me", take a shot.

[Jesus_S_Preston]

eating lucky charms

drinking mountain dew

watching always sunny

this is break.

[hankmecrankme]

eating lucky charms

drinking pepsi

playing kindgom hearts

this is break.
Fixed for a certain knight of mana.

[Jimbo Slice]

My life is now complete.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uguXNL93fWg

[hankmecrankme]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A43JOxLa5MM

[icebeast]

Like I said, I've been on both sides of that fence and coding takes a lot more effort, imo. I sure as hell wasn't good at art, but at least when I made something it worked and can be put into a game. Now, when you're making an engine, either it works or it doesn't. Hell, even when it does work, there's STILL going to be something wrong with it somehow. You have to seriously bust balls to get your shit working properly, whereas anything an artist makes can just be slapped in, even if it doesn't look good.

Depends on what your doing, for instance a Flash project where the artist has to make an asset with a lot of layers of MovieClip symbols embedded inside of each other, that can be quite complicated and requires a lot of coordination with other developers. Also in any fairly large company an artist is bound to have the game's art style reviewed by focus testers, producers, etc... and that can lead to massive changes in art that they have already done, sometimes complicated by the fact that different people are all trying to steer the art in different directions.

[distgfx]

Depends on what your doing, for instance a Flash project where the artist has to make an asset with a lot of layers of MovieClip symbols embedded inside of each other, that can be quite complicated and requires a lot of coordination with other developers. Also in any fairly large company an artist is bound to have the game's art style reviewed by focus testers, producers, etc... and that can lead to massive changes in art that they have already done, sometimes complicated by the fact that different people are all trying to steer the art in different directions.

Not talking about flash, never did much in flash, but those are some good points at least. I'll still stand by my statement however, there just won't be as big of a gap, lol.

[hankmecrankme]

Flash sucks.

[icebeast]

Not talking about flash, never did much in flash, but those are some good points at least. I'll still stand by my statement however, there just won't be as big of a gap, lol.

I mean I just used Flash as an example but in almost any type of development the way the graphics engine is constructed and the type of device your targeting will dictate the way in which an artist needs to create the assets (how to break them down, limitations on textures, limitations on palette, limitation on poly count, etc...), and so the artist has to learn how to work within those limitations and in conjunction with the programmers to make something that will both look good and actually work within the game.

In general I'd say that artists and programmers have an equal amount of challenge, the fact is that they have to work together, and often each side has something that they bring to the table which might allow a problem to be solved that the other group hadn't considered.

[distgfx]

I mean I just used Flash as an example but in almost any type of development the way the graphics engine is constructed and the type of device your targeting will dictate the way in which an artist needs to create the assets (how to break them down, limitations on textures, limitations on palette, limitation on poly count, etc...), and so the artist has to learn how to work within those limitations and in conjunction with the programmers to make something that will both look good and actually work within the game.

In general I'd say that artists and programmers have an equal amount of challenge, the fact is that they have to work together, and often each side has something that they bring to the table which might allow a problem to be solved that the other group hadn't considered.

I would consider those limitations to be more stifling than anything. They seem to just be an annoyance. You're the one who has to make it work, they just have to follow a certain guideline.

[icebeast]

I would consider those limitations to be more stifling than anything. They seem to just be an annoyance. You're the one who has to make it work, they just have to follow a certain guideline.

Yes but their goal is also to make the game look good, so in much the same way a coder has to make APIs and their own code work and run correctly and efficiently an artist must work with the guidelines they are given to produce the best looking thing they can.

I mean obviously the challenges they face are different, but I wouldn't dare to say that one job is any easier than the other. Artists are challenged to explore and expand their own creativity, and programmers are challenged to explore and expand their coding knowledge and ability.

[hankmecrankme]

Preemptive "Portal sucks." before Chacrana comes in here and sucks it off.

[Chacrana]

This uh... this may be the best thing I've ever seen... thank you for that, sir. If you used Steam, I would gift you a game on it.

My life is now complete.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uguXNL93fWg

[whoknows]

Preemptive "Portal sucks." before Chacrana comes in here and sucks it off.

People think portal is better than it really is for some reason.

[distgfx]

Yes but their goal is also to make the game look good, so in much the same way a coder has to make APIs and their own code work and run correctly and efficiently an artist must work with the guidelines they are given to produce the best looking thing they can.

I mean obviously the challenges they face are different, but I wouldn't dare to say that one job is any easier than the other. Artists are challenged to explore and expand their own creativity, and programmers are challenged to explore and expand their coding knowledge and ability.

NNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't care now, I'm declaring that the coder has the harder job. Each job may have their own challenges, but I feel that the coder has the harder challenges. I do, however, believe good graphic artists are very rare, so I'll give them that at least. The challenges they each face, though, I'll always say the coder has the harder challenges.

[hankmecrankme]

People think portal is better than it really is for some reason.

It's good for a $10 game or cheap with the Orange Box. I cannot wait for Portal 2 to show up in all of its $60 on consoles/$50 on PC glory.

Team Portalmatches will be so hype.

[whoknows]

It's good for a $10 game or cheap with the Orange Box. I cannot wait for Portal 2 to show up in all of its $60 on consoles/$50 on PC glory.

Team Portalmatches will be so hype.

It is fine as a cheap game or an extra, but nothing more than that. I played through it once and thought it was fine. Never felt the urge to play it again. Didn't even download it when it was free.

[hankmecrankme]

It is fine as a cheap game or an extra, but nothing more than that. I played through it once and thought it was fine. Never felt the urge to play it again. Didn't even download it when it was free.
Exactly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ0fFgU22ls

[whoknows]

Exactly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ0fFgU22ls

That music has better lyrics than pretty much any song nowadays.

[BlueScrote]

Play the Transformers the Movie drinking game. Every time Grimlock starts a sentence with "me", take a shot.

Is grimlock even in the movie? All I remember is they killed off ironhide and prime.

RE: engineers vs artists-- for the most part I'll take an ugly piece of software/game/w/e that works well over one that is pretty and buggy. I may also be slightly biased.

[CaptainJoel]

It is fine as a cheap game or an extra, but nothing more than that. I played through it once and thought it was fine. Never felt the urge to play it again. Didn't even download it when it was free.
I actually adore Portal and I've played through it so, soooo many times.

[corrosivefrost]

Way to break the forum, jackmonkey.

[gunm]

I believe the proper term is, "jackwagon".

And for that programming talk:

http://kadmusarts.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/TheaterBored.jpg

[RelentlessRolento]

I played Portal and beat it a while ago... hardest game for me to say I didn't enjoy it. Been a while to come across a game where it did pretty much all things right, thus ruining my enjoyment lol

[Amblix]

Portal 2 will be awesome.

[whoknows]

If Portal was a minute longer than it was it would have been too long.

[corrosivefrost]

I believe the proper term is, "jackwagon".

And for that programming talk:

Jackmonkey is my own derogatory term, you hole. ;)

[hankmecrankme]

Is grimlock even in the movie? All I remember is they killed off ironhide and prime.

RE: engineers vs artists-- for the most part I'll take an ugly piece of software/game/w/e that works well over one that is pretty and buggy. I may also be slightly biased.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtGdfulu5KI&feature=related

[RelentlessRolento]

Like I said, I've been on both sides of that fence and coding takes a lot more effort, imo. I sure as hell wasn't good at art, but at least when I made something it worked and can be put into a game. Now, when you're making an engine, either it works or it doesn't. Hell, even when it does work, there's STILL going to be something wrong with it somehow. You have to seriously bust balls to get your shit working properly, whereas anything an artist makes can just be slapped in, even if it doesn't look good.

Don't forget about about all the research you have to do to get something you want to work properly, or coming up with algorithms to make your shit work the way you're asked to make it work.

It is soooooo annoying, but I still do it because I'm a dumbass.

Now, if we're talking about something like making a menu, then yea, it's probably harder for the artist. The backbone of the game, though? No contest, the programmer.


forgot to reply to this, but I was just going to say even with all that you said I think artists do just as much work.

Its pretty much is whatever mind tackles it is what really emphasizes how hard or easy something is.

and sorry to bore everyone so here's a nice pic of a manatee in space

http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/SPACE-MANATEE1-499x391.jpg

[icebeast]

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming (a month late, but still the existence of this political party is hilarious):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDEgCkLtELQ

[distgfx]

End real talk, begin trolling.

FFXIII is GOTY.

I'm more of an application kind of guy anyway.

[whoknows]

I concur

[Jesus_S_Preston]

prinny

final boss impossible

[icebeast]

FFXIII is GOTY.

With a stud like this: http://www.dramagene.com/images/201001/goods_img/Final_Fantasy_XIII_13_Hope_Estheim_Cosplay.gif

How could it not be.

[Jimbo Slice]

This uh... this may be the best thing I've ever seen... thank you for that, sir. If you used Steam, I would gift you a game on it.

I do 8-)

I played Portal and beat it a while ago... hardest game for me to say I didn't enjoy it. Been a while to come across a game where it did pretty much all things right, thus ruining my enjoyment lol

http://forgotston.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/headscratch.gif

[distgfx]

With a stud like this: http://www.dramagene.com/images/201001/goods_img/Final_Fantasy_XIII_13_Hope_Estheim_Cosplay.gif

How could it not be.

Oh yea... what company do you work for and what's your job title?

[panzerfaust]

Portal isn't overrated, it's just too many people thinking they are clever when they make references to it.

It was like that cool game that suddenly became kind of lame when you realized that millions of other people enjoyed it as well.

[whoknows]

Portal isn't overrated, it's just too many people thinking they are clever when they make references to it.

It was like that cool game that suddenly became kind of lame when you realized that millions of other people played it as well.

Ya it is.

And the whole companion cube thing was bullshit. People were like "It was so hard for me to burn it"

Seriously. You're using it for like 2 minutes.

[CaptainJoel]

But I became so, so attached to the Companion Cube.

[distgfx]

Portal isn't overrated, it's just too many people thinking they are clever when they make references to it.

It was like that cool game that suddenly became kind of lame when you realized that millions of other people enjoyed it as well.

This was a triumph...

[Jesus_S_Preston]

...when did they change the 360 boot-up animation/screen? Not sure if want

[Jesus_S_Preston]

It just tried to give me a tutorial on how to press the A button

I hate gaming

[distgfx]

It just tried to give me a tutorial on how to press the A button

I hate gaming

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[panzerfaust]

Ya it is.

And the whole companion cube thing was bullshit. People were like "It was so hard for me to burn it"

Seriously. You're using it for like 2 minutes.

When a bunch of retarded people like a good game, it can lower your views of it (i.e. FFVII).

Call of Duty was fine to me until it sold 10 million in one month.

[Jesus_S_Preston]

I bet Nick Jonas fucked the hell outta michelle obama

brenda song watched

[distgfx]

When a bunch of retarded people like a good game, it can lower your views of it (i.e. FFVII).

Call of Duty was fine to me until it sold 10 million in one month.

That game was bad either way.

What can ruin it is having to play with those retarded people and hear them through your TV or over your mic.

[CaptainJoel]

I bet Nick Jonas fucked the hell outta michelle obama

brenda song watched
I know I'd hit it with Ashley Tisdale.

Fuck yeah.

[Nelo Ice]

finally picked up AC brotherhood $34+$20 credit was too good to pass up :D

[whoknows]

finally picked up AC brotherhood $34+$20 was too good to pass up :D

That game sucks.

Not enough Portals in it.

[distgfx]

finally picked up AC brotherhood $34+$20 was too good to pass up :D

http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/Nelo%20Ice/avatar-body.png

[whoknows]

http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/Nelo%20Ice/avatar-body.png

http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/uraizen/avatar-body.png

[distgfx]

http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/uraizen/avatar-body.png

http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/mmmpepsi4/avatar-body.png

[RelentlessRolento]

http://forgotston.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/headscratch.gif


Easy answer to this is that Portal was a very good puzzle game, which I went into it not wanting.

[BlueScrote]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtGdfulu5KI&feature=related

You are now my favorite GGTer.

[gunm]

Who cares how many people bought/liked the game...last I checked, I was the only one who determined whether or not I liked the game, not someone else.

[Chacrana]

Who cares how many people bought/liked the game...last I checked, I was the only one who determined whether or not I liked the game, not someone else.

That's what you think now... :boxing:

[icebeast]

Oh yea... what company do you work for and what's your job title?

I work for Gameloft as a programmer.

[gunm]

Cool. I bought several Gameloft products over the years--you in the smartphone-side development?

[dallow]

Yeah I remember you mentioning working the online parts of that space sim game.

Why doesn't the Win 7 Phone version of Uno have online? Get on that please.

[gunm]

Oh I can answer that for icebeast easily, dallowmayng: "it's Microsoft's fault".

[Chacrana]

When I reviewed iphone games for $$, I had lots of fun mocking Gameloft games. Sorry.

[icebeast]

Speaking of Uncharted (I guess they just released this game, I didn't work on it though):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CqO4t7y_3I

[hankmecrankme]

lol iPhone games.

[gunm]

The iphone versions of Espgaluda and Dodonpachi are sweet. That fake mushihime game not so much.

I like Gameloft's Hot Shots ripoff homage. Gameloft makes a lot of decent bootlegs conversions of console/handheld games for smartphone.

[distgfx]

i work for gameloft as a programmer.

i knew you knew too much for somebody who does it as a hobby!

[icebeast]

The iphone versions of Espgaluda and Dodonpachi are sweet. That fake mushihime game not so much.

I completely agree, Espgaluda II and DoDonPachi Resurrection work amazingly well considering the conversion to touch controls... but Mushihimesama BUG PANIC just didn't feel that well paced and the controls didn't feel responsive enough (especially for bosses).

[icebeast]

Cool. I bought several Gameloft products over the years--you in the smartphone-side development?

Yeah I remember you mentioning working the online parts of that space sim game.

Ya my last project was for the iPhone like Dallow said, it was Star Battalion (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/star-battalion/id382240347?mt=8).

[distgfx]

Just how long have you been doing this?

[icebeast]

Just how long have you been doing this?

Almost a year now.

[Jesus_S_Preston]

Uh I'm playing Death Jr 2...I don't know why

[KingBroly]

I've been playing more of Ocarina of Time. Water Temple, ugh. I also beat Assassin's Creed again. The last half hour of that game is so terrible it hurts. Face a dozen guys twice before fighting this really simply end boss. Great job, Ubisoft :\

[panzerfaust]

Wait, wait. FFXIII-2.

Where?

[KingBroly]

Just ignore it for now.

[j-cart]

Wait, wait. FFXIII-2.

Where?

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/10/04/ffxiii_ultima_interview/

Rumors state that FF13 development had another whole world completed for FF13, but development for the x360 prevented them from adding it to the final game. So instead of releasing it as DLC, SE might just release it as a whole new game, FF13-2.

Of course FF13 left a sour taste in everyone's mouths. Rather have FF13V instead of FF13-2.

[panzerfaust]

"Everyone" is a strong term =p

[distgfx]

"Everyone" is a strong term =p

But true.

[gunm]

XIII didn't leave a bad taste in my mouth at all, I just don't have the time to put into it right now.

And I knew it...this is all Microsoft's fault again!

[panzerfaust]

This was the sentiment with XII as well, and it got a spin off [-(

I'm glad developers don't listen to gaming forums. Unless its Ninja Theory.

[distgfx]

xiii didn't leave a bad taste in my mouth at all, i just don't have the time to put into it right now.

and i knew it...this is all microsoft's fault again!

liar!

[j-cart]

You would have had to be brain dead to not at least cringe once when playing FF13.

Eitherway, if there ever is a FF13-2, I wouldn't care, auto-$20 and less buy for me.

[icebeast]

This was the sentiment with XII as well, and it got a spin off [-(

But XIII is already getting another game, why wouldn't they just try to integrate it into Versus XIII?

[panzerfaust]

I cringe during every FF, corniness is part of what it is, and sometimes it comes on a bit too strong.

I have no idea why Square names their games the way they do, icebeast. Versus is its own thing from what I can see.

[j-cart]

Versus XIII gameplay is rumored to be more Kingdom Hearts RPG rather than having a turn-based RPG gameplay.

[icebeast]

I have no idea why Square names their games the way they do, icebeast. Versus is its own thing from what I can see.

Right, ya I have no clue what the link is between the games, but considering they are naming it Final Fantasy XIII Versus, I would assume that there must be some sort of link between them (also doesn't help that I haven't beaten XIII either so I probably have even less of a clue what the link might be).

[panzerfaust]

And XIII Agito is equally confusing, if you've seen the trailers for that.

Maybe they'll be linked with an overarching theme or metaphor, but I don't think FF narratives are capable of something on that level.

Probably just an effort to push software while not inflating the FF number to embarrassing heights.

[corrosivefrost]

But true.

Not entirely. I'm not included in this "everyone". I enjoyed it enough to go for the platinum.

[j-cart]

FF13, FFV13 and FF13 Agito (an FF13-2?) are linked by the overall theme, "Fabula Nova Crystallis Final Fantasy XIII."

So what the hell does that mean? They are all connected by a "vague crystal theme." However none share any story/gameplay elements with one another.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabula_Nova_Crystallis_Final_Fantasy_XIII


FF13 is clearly the case of hit or miss. More power to those that found it enjoyable. I found the gameplay to be a refreshing take on the old style of turn-based RPGs, clearly enough to warrant over 80 hours of gameplay on my save file. Though I do believe my IQ has been lowered by FF13's story.

[icebeast]

Maybe they'll be linked with an overarching theme or metaphor, but I don't think FF narratives are capable of something on that level.

Probably just an effort to push software while not inflating the FF number to embarrassing heights.

I mean somehow FFXII, FFT, and Vagrant Story all take place in the same world, so it wouldn't be that hard to just say "same world, large time difference".

EDIT: Well according to that wiki page: "According to Square Enix, they all take place in the same world but in different time periods and there is no cooperation between the teams of the various titles, the only connection being a 'vague crystal theme'."

[BlueScrote]

Square hasn't had a clue as to what they're doing for a couple of years now. Just look at FF XIV

[j-cart]

Well at least Final Fantasy does something worth praising: They try new things.

Unlike other franchises, Final Fantasy always brings together a new art style, music, gameplay, story (not always good), etc.

[panzerfaust]

j-cart, just curious -- if XIII's story is bad, which FF narrative is so much better? Did you like X's?

[distgfx]

Not entirely. I'm not included in this "everyone". I enjoyed it enough to go for the platinum.

Then you're a liar too!

[ihadFG]

j-cart, just curious -- if XIII's story is bad, which FF narrative is so much better? Did you like X's?

Hey, I know you really like FFXIII, so I was wondering if the story gets much better after the first 10 hours? I'm having a hard time continuing with the game because I hate most of the characters, and can't bring myself to care about the story. I know plenty of RPGs have a slow start though storywise, so is this one of those games?

[panzerfaust]

ihadFG, if you don't like it now, it's not going to get any better. it's a long game, it'd be better to quit now then continue and become bitter =p

[ihadFG]

ihadFG, if you don't like it now, it's not going to get any better. it's a long game, it'd be better to quit now then continue and become bitter =p

Alright, I'll probably give it one more chance tonight since the battle system is starting to pick up, but if I can't get into it I'll probably call it quits and move on to another game.

[panzerfaust]

Yeah there's advice floating around on forums telling people to, "wait for the game to get better at 20 hours in, it becomes the best thing ever!!"

it doesn't. it's still linear (somehow an open field means non-linear to people), the only thing that changes is your ability to try different party make-ups. if you hated the game pre-chapter 10, you aren't going to suddenly appreciate it.

but if you did like it pre-chapter 10 -- then prepare yourself for gaming bliss :drool:

one of the best endings to a game IMO, up there with FFX, SOTC, and Braid.

[corrosivefrost]

j-cart, just curious -- if XIII's story is bad, which FF narrative is so much better? Did you like X's?

The last stories in FF games that I cared about in the slightest were on the PSX or SNES.
I'm fond of 4 and 6-9 for various reasons.
Nothing about story or characters was to my liking in 10; I liked Fran's character design alone in 12 (Balthier was ok, I suppose); and liked Fang/Lighting/Snow for character design in 13.
Don't take to to mean I like the way the characters were written in 12/13. I just liked the visual designs.

[whoknows]

I want FFXIII-2

Also need to rebuy FFXIII so I can beat it.

[distgfx]

I hate you guys, I can't even troll you because you're trolling yourselves right now.

[Inf^Shini]

Hai guyz? D:

[j-cart]

As a disclaimer, no Final Fantasy story is considered an Oscar award winning story.

(Final Fantasy X spoilers ahead!)

I believe the best FF story is Final Fantasy X. Keep in mind that I played the game 8 years ago, so going back and playing it, there might be some "wtf? moments."

FFX brought together two characters in an almost natural fashion, Yuna and Tidus. Through their journey they share with one another their past. As the story unfolds, Tidus grows to care about Yuna. However unlike most stories where the hero always loves the heroine, Tidus's love grows from a past that he had no control over, his father Jecht. In clear heroism fashion, Tidus is willing to give up his life for something his father did, so that he could protect Yuna. The combination of a very well done voice acting (for its time), followed by very little "cliché" video game moments, makes FFX's story one of the better ones. Unlike other FF games where the love is there for the sake of it, FFX was actually able mature the two characters thoughtfully. The questionable design of the game is Tidus pants though. Who the hell wears half pants?!

Now it has been awhile (8 years?! I was 15 when I played it!) So it might not be as great now as I remember it, but for its time, it was a very well done game overall. I mean come on, I spent so much time playing blitzball. Signing that one godlike goalie to a ridiculous contract was the best move I had ever made. Oh yes, the RPG elements were very well done. Being able to change character during battle was refreshing. Having a “party” has always annoyed me. Everyone is apart of this journey, why can’t everyone join in the battle?

Runner-up: FFXII

FFXII was homage to Star Wars, with a slight main character twist. Luke, I mean Vaan never becomes a Jedi per say, but makes due with being a Sky Pirate. Which is cool, because he gets to hang out with Han Solo, I mean Balthier.

Now that I look back on it, I've always found something to enjoy about the past Final Fantasy games (7-13, not including the spin offs). This is not based on story but rather something that each FF game had done exceptionally well with.

FF7: For being a true EPIC with still the coolest summons. Knights of the Round Table!? Awesome. There was just so much to do in this game that I had multiple save files so that I could go back to play the mini games whenever I wanted.

FF8: How do you one up Cloud’s Buster Sword? GunBlade. Okay in seriousness, the open world ship controls and the freedom of the conjunction system. The card mini-game, SE needs to make it a real card game. Getting Laguna’s card was SO worth it.

FF9: An ode to the Fantasy in Final Fantasy. This was a clear winner for those that grew up with to the Pre-FF7 games. The half size people in 3D might not have cut it for most people.

FFX: See above

FF11: Oh it’s an MMO? No comment, didn’t play.

FFXII: Stars Wars like story, rich style and creative battle design (gambits). Dragon Age: Origins ends up copying this battle system.

FFXIII: The convoluted story. I had no idea for the longest time that what a Pulse fal'Cie, Sanctum fal'Cie, Pulse l'Cie and a Sanctum l’Cie were. That combination with Hope made the first hours of gameplay a bit of an annoyance, but being the best Ravager, Medic and decent Synergist made me get over him being a cry baby. The art style, music and parts of the gameplay made it worth while. My gripe about the gameplay was that my characters never felt “strong.” I think it is a poor choice to have to finish the game before the characters could actually become strong. Also, the game NEEDED gambits. Scanning the enemy was not a good design. Once I read through all those chapter re-caps and got to the really big room, “world,” I started to enjoy it a lot more. FF13 is an example of ambition. The developers knew what they wanted to do, however putting it together was a mess. I NEED the soundtrack from FF13, stuff was good.

I love RPGs. For some reason Final Fantasy games never feel like a chore for me.

[panzerfaust]

Well j-cart, for mentioning X and XII so fondly I can't sit here and argue against you. :applause:

I mean, I don't look to FF stories for some deep musings on life, or for something engrossing like you'd see in Planescape Torment. It's an adventure with simple themes that a wide range of age groups can appreciate, with well developed characters that people can relate to.

I understand how people find XIII convoluted but what's cool about it is that not even the characters know wtf is going on. Which is why I found the ending to be pretty epic. Hating Hope or Vanille because they are annoying children is also understandable, but isn't that just more credit for them being realistic? :bomb:

I don't know, I was big fan of the party split ups -- kind of reminded me of VI. The eidolons made for great moments for each character, and aside from some hammy dialogue, I thought the entire thing was very creative and powerful.

And VII and VIII were much harder to follow than XIII IMO. What's funny about XII is that the developers admit to being influenced by a bunch of sources but said Star Wars was never considered.


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and back to GGT. League of Legends is pretty fun.

[Jesus_S_Preston]

No person has ever acted like Vanille, and in real life any Hope would have confronted Snow 999 years earlier. Those characters were not reallistic.

[panzerfaust]

Ehhh I hated Hope because of how badly he reminded me of children.

Vanille was an odd one though.

[Inf^Shini]

I hated that game....:/

[j-cart]

League of Legends is pretty fun.


Spend the $30 bucks and play HoN. Makes sure your APM is minimum 100 or you aren't clicking enough!

[ihadFG]

No person has ever acted like Vanille, and in real life any Hope would have confronted Snow 999 years earlier. Those characters were not reallistic.


From what I've played I definitely agree with this. Hope is pretty much my most hated character in any RPG ever so far. He is like the quintessential example of every whiny annoying JRPG teenager ever.

I do enjoy Vanille's character specifically because she is like an alien though. She seems as if she doesn't understand how humans act properly. And she constantly switches between an American and Australian accent, which confuses me even more. And she also changes between being excited about moving forward, to being excited about running away. Her character just doesn't make sense. In any other game I would hate her, but in this game, she is the only character that has stopped me from falling asleep so far. I am constantly just amazed at how absolutely crazy she is.

And while I'm at it, here's my impressions of the rest of the characters after the first 10 hours or so:

Lightning - so far she seems like a generic Cloud rip-off without much of a personality. They want her to seem cool by making her mostly silent and seem angry all the time. Hopefully her character will evolve beyond that.

Snow - I can't stand him. Not only is his name "Snow", but his character design is such a failed attempt to look "cool" that I'm not surprised at how generic and annoying his personality is. If he mentions one more time that he will do anything to save both Cocoon and Serah, I think my head will explode. I'm really glad he has been out of the party for the last few hours.

Sazh - He's actually somewhat likable I guess. Nothing too special, but he seems like the only reasonable/relatable human being in the game, with a developed personality. I'm also interested in finding out more about his backstory.

[panzerfaust]

Ah, you guys are so boring.

I really liked Lightning's character, and I liked how they put Hope there for her to be a big sister to -- as she failed at being Serah's. Gapra Whitewood was a great part IMO. The character development is well done and fairly simple, this stuff isn't hard to miss people.

This reminds me of when everyone was bashing Squall for being the typical "I'm too cool for you" douche. But when you actually look at the characters around him, he has every reason to be an asshole to them. He was a really well done character (well, until the game went off the deep-end half way through).

Yeah, Snow has a bloated ego and an unrealistic outlook on life. He comes to terms with that in the story. Hope is childish and insecure. He comes to terms with that. Fang has a trust issue with everyone but who she's already familiar with. She comes to terms with that. Lightning thought she could protect her family with a tough attitude, etc...

This game is made for young kids too, guys. Not hard to follow.

[distgfx]

Ah, you guys are so boring.

I wonder if this is how gunm feels when me and icebeast talk.

[panzerfaust]

And as for LoL vs HoN. Eh, kind of digging LoL more, to be honest. It's DoTA all the same though.

I had 200 APM(true APM) when I played Broodwar, so I can't imagine how many useless clicks HoN players use to move 1 character around.

[ihadFG]

Ah, you guys are so boring.

I really liked Lightning's character, and I liked how they put Hope there for her to be a big sister to -- as she failed at being Serah's. Gapra Whitewood was a great part IMO. The character development is well done and fairly simple, this stuff isn't hard to miss people.

This reminds me of when everyone was bashing Squall for being the typical "I'm too cool for you" douche. But when you actually look at the characters around him, he has every reason to be an asshole to them. He was a really well done character (well, until the game went off the deep-end half way through).

Yeah, Snow has a bloated ego and an unrealistic outlook on life. He comes to terms with that in the story. Hope is childish and insecure. He comes to terms with that. Fang has a trust issue with everyone but who she's already familiar with. She comes to terms with that. Lightning thought she could protect her family with a tough attitude, etc...

This game is made for young kids too, guys. Not hard to follow.

You compared the situation with Lighting to the situation with Squall, but I don't think that Lightning's mean attitude is in anyway justified by all the characters around her. She simply ignores everyone else most of the time without even answering simple questions. It seems like they are trying too hard to make her seem like the cool silent protagonist, but they ended up making her seem childish and mean-spirited to me.

And the story and characters aren't hard to follow at all so far in my opinion. The dialogue is just poorly written, and the characters aren't very interesting. Pretty much every one of them has been done a dozen times before, and done better. Ten hours in, and the characters haven't done anything to change my first impressions even the slightest bit.

And the story hasn't done anything to make me care about the main quest either. I hardly know anything about Cocoon or it's inhabitants, so it's very hard for me to feel compelled to save them. The game tries to throw you into the story and make you care, but it hasn't actually shown me enough of the world for me to get sucked in. And Vanille's narration just feels awkward. It's like they weren't sure if they wanted to add narration or not, so they only give her lines to narrate once in a while.

For me, the characters and story are the most important part of an RPG. Very rarely does fun gameplay make up for an RPG that lacks in both of those departments.

[panzerfaust]

People were putting that Cloud label on her the moment the game was announced. Yeah she's a badass, does that automatically equal JRPG trash nowadays? I brought up Squall because that's the same thing people associated him to as well.

30 minutes into the game she's already showing signs of regret and compassion. 2 hours in she's punching Snow in the face because she hates herself, not him. After that she takes Hope under her wing. I can start spoiling things after that if you'd like.

Am I calling that deep? No. It's FF. But I don't think a lot of the games deserve half the bashing they receive.

And yeah, XIII is corny as hell, but I'd question why anyone would buy an FF if that bothered them. They are all cringe-worthy. If you don't think so, you got a thick pair of nostalgia goggles on and you need to go back and replay the old ones.

[CaptainJoel]

I love Vanille so, soooo much.

Damn, RDR is hard for me.

[j-cart]

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If you can, sit through the next ten hours. Then the really big room opens up, it might or might not change how you feel about the game. It is there where you can determine if you really want to keep at the game or not.

[ihadFG]

People were putting that Cloud label on her the moment the game was announced. Yeah she's a badass, does that automatically equal JRPG trash nowadays? I brought up Squall because that's the same thing people associated him to as well.

30 minutes into the game she's already showing signs of regret and compassion. 2 hours in she's punching Snow in the face because she hates herself, not him. After that she takes Hope under her wing. I can start spoiling things after that if you'd like.

Am I calling that deep? No. It's FF. But I don't think a lot of the games deserve half the bashing they receive.

And yeah, XIII is corny as hell, but I'd question why anyone would buy an FF if that bothered them. They are all cringe-worthy. If you don't think so, you got a thick pair of nostalgia goggles on and you need to go back and replay the old ones.

I don't mean to bash the game so much as I'm not that far into the game, and I'm not saying that badass = trash, or even that a Cloud rip-off is bad. I'm just saying that her character seems to lack anything to distinguish her from all the other characters like her. For example, my first impression of Kaim in Lost Odyssey was generic Cloud rip-off, but in that game you learn a lot more about him that actually fleshes him out as a unique character. So far in FFXIII, I haven't seen Lightning care about anything other than her sister. I guess my main problem is that for a game that tries to strip out a lot of the extra bits in JRPGs in favor of telling a story, it is moving awfully slowly in the character development department.

[ihadFG]

If you can, sit through the next ten hours. Then the really big room opens up, it might or might not change how you feel about the game. It is there where you can determine if you really want to keep at the game or not.

Yeah, I'll try to stick with it for as long as I can. Some of my favorite games are ones that I hated for the first few hours. (Dragon Age comes to mind. It was my GOTY last year, but I hated the origin part).

It's just hard when there isn't a single character so far that I really like.

[panzerfaust]

You don't have to be a fan of the story/characters, to each his own. But if you haven't noticed the plights/developments of each character by now, I'd say the game has no hope of bringing you back into the story.

XIII devotes an equal amount of time to each character, Lightning is hardly anymore a main lead than Vaan was. They want to you to understand each character, introduce the eidolons that represent their deepest problems, and prepare you for an ending that is more themed around the strength of the human spirit as opposed to 1 or 2 characters' personal confrontations. I think this is why some like other FF plots and not this one. It's more about humanity and not "ooooh no! Aerith!!!"

Examples of actually shitty FF characters would be Zell and Selphie. And I haven't played VII for a long ass time but I don't remember Aerith meaning anything to me. She was 10x worse than Vanille.

[ihadFG]

Well I've noticed the character's plights, as you mentioned, I just don't like the characters. I see their problems and the ways they react, but I can't sympathize with them. And I don't think their plights are in any way unique, so it's hard for me to get interested in them.

Also, so far I've only gotten two eidolons, but I'm not quite sure how those represent their problems, so maybe you could explain that one to me?

[j-cart]

I don't remember Aerith meaning anything to me. She was 10x worse than Vanille.


She meant something to you when you used her exclusively as your mage/healer, then the you know what happened. I had to resort to item pots for awhile after that.


ihadFG: Slight spoiler They come when the L'cie lose hope. Basically it is meeting their end, but with the help from others, over coming their eidolons gives them hope in their journey. Deeper spoiler Meaning that they don't have to succumb to their "focus." In the end each one is there to help one another. Despite them thinking they don't need help.

[panzerfaust]

Well, I mean when they appear, it's at a meaningful moment.

Lightning's for example, activates the moment she decides to leave Hope to fend for himself as she goes off to fight people for no reason (giving up on life, basically). She ends up saving Hope, confronting the eidolon with him, and then becomes a big sister figure to him as he enters his primary dilemma. Gapra Whitewood was a great part because it's where you see a different side of her -- she's encouraging and caring. Her battle-dialogue even changes to lines that cheer on Hope. She's very different from that point on. Doesn't mean she's going to stop kicking ass though.

GGT is getting DEEP!

[ihadFG]

. And I haven't played VII for a long ass time but I don't remember Aerith meaning anything to me. She was 10x worse than Vanille.

Tifa all the way! I didn't find Aeris annoying, but I didn't care for her either. When she died, I just started using Red XIII as a healer/mage for the most part.