CAGcast #231: Winning

[CheapyD]

15060[/IMG-L]The gang talks Bulletstorm, Brink, Killzone 3, Knight's Contract, the latest game shopping and industry news, your CAGbag (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71382) and Twitter (http://www.twitter.com/cheapyd) questions and so much more!

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Intro - Gaiola Das Popozudas - Vem Cristiano / Diplo - FABRICLIVE. 24

New Releases (http://tech-gaming.com/2011/02/25/new-releases-week-of-february-27-2011.aspx)
Panasonic cancels Jungle gaming device production (http://www.joystiq.com/2011/03/01/panasonic-jungle-canceled/)
Sony's NGP 'Dead On Arrival' and 3DS 'Gimmicky,' says Neil Young (http://www.industrygamers.com/news/sonys-ngp-dead-on-arrival-and-3ds-gimmicky-says-neil-young/)
Harmonix pleased with Kinect 'gamble' (http://feedproxy.google.com/%7Er/mcvuk/oXMK/%7E3/HYahqukWsYQ/Harmonix-pleased-with-Kinect-gamble)

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Outro: Tetris (http://gameads.gamepressure.com/tv_game_commercial.asp?ID=7739)

Note: Sorry, my audio is less than ideal this week. Will definitely have it sorted out by the next show.

[xombi242]

Awesome reference Cheapy.
The Stern show ruled today and I can't wait to follow it up with a podcast for work tomorrow!

[Ltor]

Awesome reference Cheapy.
The Stern show ruled today and I can't wait to follow it up with a podcast for work tomorrow!

Wait did stern have charlie sheen on? I saw him on the daily show talking about trying to get him.

[xombi242]

You bet he did. Sheen may be on for a followup tomorrow.

[Ltor]

Oh man, anywhere I can listen to it online? I don't get stern on xm it's a ripoff.

[xombi242]

I guess you can always grab the best of Sirius package or something.

[Ltor]

I dunno I'll look into it, maybe he's on the cagcast this week though. Wouldn't be the weirdest place he's been interviewed lately.

[Kylearan]

Nice, I'll listen to this on the flight to GDC.

[meager]

The only time I've known of a reduced-to-free game on Xbox Marketplace was when Undertow was given out to Gold members to apologize because Xbox Live crashed for a couple days. I still have yet to play that game...

[KingBroly]

I believe the last reduced to free XBLA game was Carcassonne and that was for them borking Xbox Live for about a month after NXE came out.

Wombat, I was wondering if you're going to wait a year for the eventual Skyrim GOTY edition or not? It seems like a safe bet considering the last 2 games this generation from Bethesda have had them. I'd bet on a third from Fallout New Vegas, but it's a bit too early to tell.

[evantrees]

woo cagcast and since I've got nothing better to do with them

dragon age legends beta codes

DLXD-W7Q3-B7C2-RTCZ
DLXD-W7Q3-M7ZC-CJVA
DLXD-W7Q3-V8NP-PB3C
DLXD-W7Q3-488Y-KP42

used:
DLXD-W7Q4-FAWA-CTYK

be nice and post if you use em.

I believe to use em search for dragon age legends on facebook.

don't think you can unlock stuff for dragon age 2 playing the beta though.

[repete]

great show guys

[xGunCrazyx]

Ha, Cheapy read my post about the wristbands.
Will probably start wearing mine again

[token2k6]

Great show! all the talk about Bulletstorm really makes me want to buy it now..I was going to wait for a $20 price point, but the good reviews and talk about the game make it seem like it'd be a pretty fun time.

and I used this code for the Dragon Age beta (thanks evantrees!)
DLXD-W7Q4-FAWA-CTYK

[skadave]

Fashion week moved to Lincoln Center. It is no longer in Bryant Park.

I will go kill a lion with my bare hands to regain the man points i just lost with that statement.

[ShockandAww]

Good show. I was actually pretty interested in everything you guys talked about.

Cheapys upcoming games wishlist was pretty good. There's a ton of great stuff coming out this year.

Some other upcoming games that weren't mentioned: Rage, Silent Hill Downpour, Tomb Raider, Dark Souls, Shadows Of The Damned, Alice Madness Returns, and of course...Lego Pirates. All could be pretty good along with everything else mentioned.

[davidb69]

I think Xbox gave the post for people that signed up for it. i know I got it but my other profile for other members of the family did not get it but it proves my PS3 got much more love.

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I preordered the Nintendo 3DS, any word if the 3ds will have demos to download?? I am just replacing my DSi. The only launch game I am getting on the 3ds is Lego Star Wars 3: Clone Wars. 1 of the other things they talked about was movies coming to watch on the 3ds. The 3d movie channel was apparently added to the 3ds shopping channel today, watching a 3d movie that only I can watch seems interesting.

Speaking of portable devices, I don't understand the hate for the NGP. Sony has fixed all the issues and are including a 2nd analog stick and still there is haters. Plus you can add all the games that you downloaded to this new handheld. My only sticking point is the price. I won't pay more then $299 and I fear it will be more. I just say reserve judgement on the NGP till we know more maybe at E3 when it would make more sense.

I saw Cheapy's tweet about the PS3 system update while using Plus. Since they update the system update at a certain point of the day, there is no way for it to know that you are playing between the update time and the middle of the night for the auto update. Same thing goes if you play a game and that game has an update and they system was updated in between those times. I was shocked it wasn't mentioned but it's just one of those things that can't be handled any better.

[Keegs]

Great show as usual. Cheapy, you sound like you're in a tunnel or something this week!
Stoked for Brink. I was a huge fan of the ET games.

[Indiana]

Cheapy you sound like you are inside a box. Did u get a new mic or a smaller room? Everyone else sounds normal to me.

[GOTA]

Cheapy D is live from Atlantis and I don't mean Atlantis the resort. It sounds like he's hanging out with Aquaman and Namor.

[demonhellcat]

Man, why are you guys praising Bulletstorm so much! You're almost succeeding in making go buy a game I initially had very little interest in. I think I can resist for now though, I'll definitely put this one on my list of games to buy once it's $30 or less.

[xombi242]

Probably because Bulletstorm is awesome :)

[Bawb]

Cheapy finally decided to poop while doing the podcast that's all!

Great show and yeah looks like the temptation to get Bulletstorm is everywhere.

[StriderNo9]

LOL once again Cheapy pretends to be open minded but slamming the NGP nonetheless. Also like with almost every PS3 sequel (Looks to God of War III, and Uncharted 2 for examples) the best thing he can say about the game is "it's more of Killzone, it's good, it's Killzone".

I won't beat a dead horse, but maybe people are questioning your will to do this podcast because you are becoming very set in your ways. You know you like the iPhone and iPad and refuse to give anything a shot, you know you like certain games and dislike others, so you go about your business, it's become very stagnant.

The site is called Cheap Ass Gamers, but you usually spend a good amount of time telling us about the money you are spending on iPhones, iPads, 3D TVs, and trips you take. Sort of leaves a sour taste in my mouth. I am pretty sure Ship and Wombat notice it too.

The personal stuff is funny sometimes but add more content to the game discussions, bringing back the CAG deals is a good idea.

Otherwise good show, Ship and Wombat are the real reason for this show, wish they got more props.

[adriley313]

great show
play pokemon ship and tell us what u think

[Kung Fu ZEPHYR]

There is one good take-away from this show . . . . . EVERYONE is jacked for SKYRIM!

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Now Playing:
360 - Dragon Age Origins
PS3 - Uncharted 2 GOTY edition (Thanks Best Buy for the B2G1 free deal)

[LiK]

WTF Cheapy, your audio is shit this week. What happened?

[Curufinwe]

We don't have to imagine if Japan tried to make God of War, Shipwreck. God of War came after and was clearly derivative of Japanese action games like Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden.

I'm sure you're right that Knights Contract is crap, though.

[shafnitz]

I was listening to you guys talk about your Raptr stats, so I checked my own. Their numbers are way off. I played Pac-Man CE DX last night for 10 minutes and Raptr says I played for 41. I wonder where they're getting these times from.

[skadave]

LOL once again Cheapy pretends to be open minded but slamming the NGP nonetheless. Also like with almost every PS3 sequel (Looks to God of War III, and Uncharted 2 for examples) the best thing he can say about the game is "it's more of Killzone, it's good, it's Killzone".
.


So what do you want him to do? Create Fake Enthusiasm?

I am not a big fan of my PS3. If i had my own podcast, i wouldn't fake my feelings to make a few fanboys happy. He's being honest and that is all we can ask.

[MattJ1991]

One thing that REALLY fucking freaked me out is how you mentioned Chicken Pot Pie. I was eating that when I was listening....believe me or not.

[Curufinwe]

More pimping of that dodgy scraper site raptr, and nothing about the demise of MyGamerCard.net? Considering how many people on CAG used to use MGC for their sigs, I find that surprising.

http://profile.mygamercard.net/

To make matters worse, while most of us who insisted on playing by the rules (Terms of Use) of the XCDP, others were showing their lack of respect and selfishness by setting up 'screen scraping' mechanisms to gather additional data from the Xbox website that are otherwise unavailable to us. If you've ever been to Xbox.com and noticed how slow it is - they are the reason why. These sites - some of them for-profit corporations - benefit from having the type of information that the rest of us had been asking for, which quickly started eating away at our traffic. Repeated discussions with Microsoft regarding this issue have gone largely unacknowledged (and certainly un-actioned) by anyone beyond my initial contact.

Eventually, the rise of these websites, coupled with the declining advertising ecosystem, pushed my out-of-pocket expenses upwards as advertising alone couldn't maintain the (quite modest, comparatively) monthly hosting fees. Eventually, the decision had to be made to take down the site. It wasn't (and still isn't) a decision I've made lightly; proof of that is the simple fact that I've been running half of my monthly costs out-of-pocket for over a year now. But despite the sadness of having to shut down this part and chapter of my life, there's a part of me is a little relieved that there's a set 'closure' to all of it, rather than infinite abandonment.

[Rouzhokuu]

Speaking of portable devices, I don't understand the hate for the NGP.

It's a Sony product. There's nothing they could do that would gain any good-will from this crowd.

[Wombat]

It's a Sony product. There's nothing they could do that would gain any good-will from this crowd.

I think you missed the part where we discussed hand jobs.

[Kung Fu ZEPHYR]

mmmmmmmmm . . . . . Sony hand jobs!

[BannedEpisode]

It's a Sony product. There's nothing they could do that would gain any good-will from this crowd.


I dont see why people get so frustrated over the Cag Crew not being sony fanboys. It's okay to enjoy a console over another. They certainly dont hate it, they just have preferences. Sure it might be a bit more dynamic in terms of video game discussion if there was someone who leaned more in that direction but I have to admit that I listen to the show more for casual banter than for gaming news.


Personally I've been a pretty big Sony fan this Gen and I dont plan on purchasing an NGP for a number of reasons.

It's just not a big deal.

[mrangrypants]

The last thing I remember going from priced to free on XBLA was some Halo 3 map packs that started off costing points and then once the maps were integrated into the normal match making they were free (and you were forced to d/l them)

[Gamer SDP]

really hope the echo audio (Cheapy's audio) isn't all show

[donkeydrop]

Whoever gave Wombat that idea about accounting and Xbox Live must think Microsoft has a bunch of accountants out of a Dickens novel, scribbling away with quill pens and great big ledgers. And there I was thinking Microsoft was a software company that knew how to automate such things.

In the music business companies like BMI and ASCAP handle the rights for millions of bands and songwriters, many of whom receive quarterly payments of just a few dollars. The idea that Microsoft can't efficiently handle a couple of hundred publishers makes no sense.

[youngavatar]

Awesome show just surprise how wombat said that brink wasn't that amazing hopefully they can release a good demo so i can decide if i should buy it.

[testudo]

Wombat, I can't believe you never went to Chinatown fair arcade... Are you sure you are a New Yorker?

[Rouzhokuu]

I dont see why people get so frustrated over the Cag Crew not being sony fanboys. It's okay to enjoy a console over another. They certainly dont hate it, they just have preferences. Sure it might be a bit more dynamic in terms of video game discussion if there was someone who leaned more in that direction but I have to admit that I listen to the show more for casual banter than for gaming news.


Personally I've been a pretty big Sony fan this Gen and I dont plan on purchasing an NGP for a number of reasons.

It's just not a big deal.

Who's frustrated?

If they enjoy licking Microsoft's boots, that's fine with me. I simply choose to dedicate my time to better podcasts, since I enjoy all platforms pretty much equally. Because, that's what gamers do.

[jkanownik]

Whoever gave Wombat that idea about accounting and Xbox Live must think Microsoft has a bunch of accountants out of a Dickens novel, scribbling away with quill pens and great big ledgers. And there I was thinking Microsoft was a software company that knew how to automate such things.

Microsoft only controls the pricing of the titles they publish (unless they sacrifice their own margin). Pricing changes for all other titles would most likely require approval from the publisher of the game. This is easy to do when they pair it with a promotion and promise increased sales. Without a promotion the sales increase is much lower and a harder sell. Not that the promoted sales are all that impressive to begin with. Gamasutra just did an analysis of the deals of the week from January here (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/33083/InDepth_Xbox_Live_Arcade_Sales_Analysis_January_20 11.php). Risk Factions went from 3K units at $10 to ($30K) to 12K at $5 ($60K).

[skadave]

Who's frustrated?

If they enjoy licking Microsoft's boots, that's fine with me. I simply choose to dedicate my time to better podcasts, since I enjoy all platforms pretty much equally. Because, that's what gamers do.


So you are saying that you live in a perfect world where all systems are equal? That's beautiful.

All i know is that my Xbox is constantly being used and my PS3 and Wii are collecting dust (I bought my Wii at launch btw).

Can i ask why you are posting on this forum if you dedicate your time to better podcasts?

[Gentlegamer]

Cheapy's audio sounds like he's podcasting from inside a tunnel full of dicks.

[shipwreck]

Who's frustrated?

If they enjoy licking Microsoft's boots, that's fine with me. I simply choose to dedicate my time to better podcasts, since I enjoy all platforms pretty much equally. Because, that's what gamers do.

You enjoy all platforms equally, but according to your profiles you are Level 13 on PSN yet only have 8K GamerScore on Xbox Live. Better get those evened out or you may get that "gamer" title revoked!

[usickenme]

lame shipwreck...just lame. You get the perks of the job, you gotta man up and take the heat. I couldn't care less what platforms you all like but I just wish you would strive to a little more accurate and aware of the platforms you don't.

[skadave]

Not lame at all. . . spot on if you ask me.

[Monsta Mack]

What is this Gamefaqs? It's obvious Cheapy-Wombat-Shipwreck go where the games bring them. If they felt the games were compeling on the PS3 they would rant and rave about them, same goes for the Wii. It has nothing to do with their pockets being lined with Microsoft's money.

I don't own a PS3 (because the majority of the games I want are multiplatform and I believe being a FPS/shooter fan the trades off are worth it ie they get Heavy Rain we get Alan Wake, they get Killzone we get Halo. etc.) but I do own a Wii.

Let me tell you I hardly ever use my Wii. Why? Because most of the games appeal to the casual audeince. Infact i only bought 3 Wii games last year - Silent Hill Shattered Memories (love the series, Wii had the best version) Tats vs Capcom (Love fighting games, tied me over till MVC3 came out) and of course No More Heroes 2 (Great sequel to a great game). Looking outside of Nintendo's published titles theres not much there, and the only game I wanted that I didn't get was Donkey Kong Country returns.

[MattJ1991]

You enjoy all platforms equally, but according to your profiles you are Level 13 on PSN yet only have 8K GamerScore on Xbox Live. Better get those evened out or you may get that "gamer" title revoked!

Owned, you go Ship!

I vastly prefer PS3 but that doesn't take any enjoyment away from my CAGcast listen. Some people perfer certain console's over eachother. Who cares? All in all they generally talk about all the PS3 exclusives.

[Blackout]

lame shipwreck...just lame. You get the perks of the job, you gotta man up and take the heat. I couldn't care less what platforms you all like but I just wish you would strive to a little more accurate and aware of the platforms you don't.

The CAGCast is like Kotaku now. Pretty much any criticism thrown at them is ignored and mocked. You're also not going to find accuracy and awareness of other platforms. That's completely out of the window.

I don't care what system you guys favor, but the 360 wank fest has gotten boring. It would be cool if you had someone on the show who actually played and was interested in the other systems.

[rogueweapon]

Yo Cheapy,
I just saw the iPad 2 keynote and it's what I've been holding out for. The NGP and N3DS don't stand a chance. They aren't exactly competitors but one can argue that they are. Watching the 3DS and NGP videos I never said "oh shit I gotta have it", but I did say it during the apple keynote. I will buy one expensive new tech in the relative future and the iPad 2 with magnetic cover will be it.

[Kazaganthi]

It's nice to hear the Hype Wagon, this year is Winning. I'm too excited for the Dragons of Skyrim to wait for a GOTY edition.

I'm surprised at how Shipwreck feels about Dragon Age 1, and the demo for 2, when he loves Two Worlds II so much. Or am I mistaken and the games are nothing alike. Never heard of Two Worlds II until Shipwreck talked about it. The way he describes it makes it sound fun, but then other reviewers have the opposite to say.

About Bulletstorm, first Leash vs Grappling Hook from Just Cause 2. The media keeps saying it's a "new and original" idea, but I don't see it that way. Second, I think the price will fall to $40 rather quickly. Being multi-platform, short story, and not much multiplayer options after it's over, I can see this game being sold back into the used game market quickly.

[FriskyTanuki]

Another week, another good game that Shipwreck hates (PixelJunk Shooter). You should skip Pokemon Black/White because it has too much content and you'll probably never beat it, so you shouldn't even try.

The Pokemon embargo sounds like the embargo for Super Smash Brothers Brawl, which prevented reviewers from mentioning certain characters.

I don't get the love for Skyrim, though I didn't like Oblivion either but enjoyed Fallout a lot more.

I'd love to see CheapyD make another change to what he's been against and get Move for Killzone 3 to go with his love for 3D and support for microtransactions in NHL 11.

I don't see anything interesting about the iPad 2, especially after the huge disappointment that is my iPod Touch. I'd rather get an NGP and 3DS for quality gaming machines for a cheaper price.

Why bother acting like you still have interest in handhelds, Cheapy? You stopped playing your DS and PSP years ago, so just assume that we know you're not getting an NGP or 3DS since you're not getting either.

Decent show.

[4nik8tor]

please never mention charlie sheen again.
Its every all your base and chuck norris jokes wrapped up together into a week worth of crap we've all heard before.
let this guy self-destruct on his own. I'll google the rest if I care.

[shipwreck]

I'm surprised at how Shipwreck feels about Dragon Age 1, and the demo for 2, when he loves Two Worlds II so much. Or am I mistaken and the games are nothing alike. Never heard of Two Worlds II until Shipwreck talked about it. The way he describes it makes it sound fun, but then other reviewers have the opposite to say.

Although both Two Worlds II and Dragon Age are both fantasy RPGs, they are really very little alike. Two Worlds II is a open-world exploration type of game with realtime combat and no party members. Dragon Age is a story-driven game where the exploration is reigned in, the combat is a mix of number-crunching realtime and turn-based, and the interactions and development of party members is a major part of the game.

I'll agree that Dragon Age is the more polished and higher quality game/series (especially in storytelling), but I just find the game mechanics more to my liking in Two Worlds II.

[shipwreck]

The CAGCast is like Kotaku now. Pretty much any criticism thrown at them is ignored and mocked. You're also not going to find accuracy and awareness of other platforms. That's completely out of the window.

I don't care what system you guys favor, but the 360 wank fest has gotten boring. It would be cool if you had someone on the show who actually played and was interested in the other systems.

What didn't we cover that was on the other systems? Cheapy talked about Killzone 3 (I'm sure I will too once I buy it since I was a big fan of Killzone 2), we talked briefly about PixelJunk Shooter (none of us enjoyed the first game that much), we mentioned that a new Bit.Trip game had come out for WiiWare (I'll also play this at some point), we talked about Dragon Quest VI on the DS, we talked about Acceleration of SUGURI X-Edition on PSN, we talked about Pokemon on the DS, we talked about Battleheart on iOS, and we talked about multi-platform games like Bulletstorm, Brink, and Knight's Contract. Hell, I even mentioned a PC game was coming out because a CAG worked on it (RIFT). The only thing we didn't mention (but was on our outline) that I think is fairly cool, is Vagrant Story is now available on PSN.

This may be why you think we are ignoring criticisms. Read that paragraph and tell me again that we don't have "awareness of other platforms". Then re-read it in a mocking tone if you think I hate everything that's not related to Xbox 360.

[KingBroly]

As long as its' not a 360 exclusive, they're talking about a multiplatform game. They may not have bought it on PS3, but it doesn't mean the PS3 version doesn't exist.

[Kung Fu ZEPHYR]

Holy Defensive Shipwreck Batman!!! Ship, I enjoy your reviews and find them informative. However, (IMHO) I think your reviews are too vague and lack a sense of objectivity. I would like to see you be more concrete with your rating. For example, maybe you could develop some sort rating point system (1 to 10) or possibly implement your personal hierarchy of games for each category of you which you could compare your most recent reviews to.

Take your comparison post of Two Worlds 2 and Dragon Age. Your conclusion is that DA is more polished but you like the mechanics more in TW2. That statement does nothing to differentiate your opinion of the games. If you applied a rating to them, then we would know where you stand. Don't get me wrong, I think its important to point out the differences but I also think there's more value in comparing the similarities.

Moral of the story - We are all looking forward to SKYRIM.

[GOTA]

Thanks for the Battleheart talk. I picked it up and really enjoy it. Another I-game that keeps me away from the other handheld systems. Sony and Nintendo better rethink their pricing.

[Sgt Barone]

cant wait to listen!

[katzd2007]

Did Shipwreck ever say how to enter the contest? If not I want to put my hat in the ring. I would think it would be under the contests tab in the near future.

[Kaneco]

Good show!

Even though Cheapy's audio was on the low quality side, he came to this CAGcast with
such overwhelming energy. He really sounded pumped up for this week.

The latest few podcasts he either sounded bored and/or just plain tired.

He probably finally goes to the toilet before the show. xD

[jkanownik]

I'd love to see CheapyD make another change to what he's been against and get Move for Killzone 3 to go with his love for 3D and support for microtransactions in NHL 11.

I would advise against this. I thought maybe I wasn't giving the Move (or my PS3) a fair shake so I shelled out $150 ($50 for PSN Plus, $70 for Move Bundle and $30 for a navigation controller) to try to improve my Killzone 3 experience. I elected not to get the gun because of my experience with the Wii of preferring a normal Wii+Nunchuck over the Wii Zapper for Call of Duty.

The value of PSN Plus remains to be seen because I had to download two firmware updates before I could even enter the code. But I'm hopeful it will be a smooth experience the next time I boot it up for a PS3 game.

The Move was a total bust. I struggled through two full chapters and part of a third before I just couldn't take it anymore. I had to go back to the dualshock. Even though I hadn't touched my Dualshock since God of War 3 last year, I saw a significant improvement in my performance and a significant decline in frustration after making the switch.

Charging everything was also a pain in the ass. I still need to try out the Move for game designed specifically for the Move, but I will not be playing anymore shooters with it.

[Kylearan]

Cheapy - gotta echo your lack of entusiasm for the 3DS. Have had some hands-on time at GDC and am totally underwhelmed. It's not particularly compelling, hardware design is exactly like the previous DS models (stylus + d-pad + analog stick above the d-pad + buttons = awkward to handle), and the 3D effect isn't very impressive. Am totally bummed.

Spent a fair amount of time with Steel Diver - what a junk-pile. It's neat that the game-view moves when you turn, but you'll never play this in car, on a train or bus, or even seated - not without getting pwn'd. 3D effect was minimal, gameplay reduced to zooming in on targets, shooting a left or right torpedo, and plugging leaks to your ship with the stylus, all while spinning around to find targets. Oy.

I'll look at it a little more, but I think I'll be paying more attention to the NGP from now on (which is here, but behind glass).

And guys, totally right on about Skyrim! Holy crap. Surprised Cheapy and Ship don't care for Dragon Age much, at least Wombat has got some taste. ;-)

[shieryda]

Cheapy, were you recording from your bathroom? The audio quality on your end was AWFUL for this CAGcast.

Also, I have not yet finished listening to the entire show, but what "happened" a couple weeks ago that sapped your energy recently? My prediction is that you got a vasectomy.

[DarkZion]

I'm surprised at how many people found the Dragon Age 2 demo to be difficult. I went into it expecting to get rocked by the second ogre, but ended up going through the entire demo without anyone dying (aside from the people who died in cutscenes). Maybe people aren't familiar with the concept of tank, healer, and dps.

[banodyne]

Wait, wait, wait. When did they give out the double lightsabers for free? I'm pretty OCD following gaming news all day. I saw nothing about this.

[Wombat]

Wait, wait, wait. When did they give out the double lightsabers for free? I'm pretty OCD following gaming news all day. I saw nothing about this.

It was an error that was quickly fixed. I missed it too and Ship sucks for not calling me when it happened.

[Blackout]

What didn't we cover that was on the other systems? Cheapy talked about Killzone 3 (I'm sure I will too once I buy it since I was a big fan of Killzone 2), we talked briefly about PixelJunk Shooter (none of us enjoyed the first game that much), we mentioned that a new Bit.Trip game had come out for WiiWare (I'll also play this at some point), we talked about Dragon Quest VI on the DS, we talked about Acceleration of SUGURI X-Edition on PSN, we talked about Pokemon on the DS, we talked about Battleheart on iOS, and we talked about multi-platform games like Bulletstorm, Brink, and Knight's Contract. Hell, I even mentioned a PC game was coming out because a CAG worked on it (RIFT). The only thing we didn't mention (but was on our outline) that I think is fairly cool, is Vagrant Story is now available on PSN.

This may be why you think we are ignoring criticisms. Read that paragraph and tell me again that we don't have "awareness of other platforms". Then re-read it in a mocking tone if you think I hate everything that's not related to Xbox 360.

Where did I say you hate everything that's not 360? I mean, c'mon. That's what I'm talking about, where you guys dismiss criticisms with sarcastic comments and jokes. When each show you have like half the thread talking about how you guys don't play other systems and wanting more discussion/gaming time of other platforms, then maybe you should reconsider the way you guys do the show. Or maybe everyone is crazy. Yeah, that's it. Everyone is crazy. And Sony fanboys.

Most of the time you never talk about playing Wii, PSP, or DS games. Why did you guys dedicate an entire show to why the PS3 needed "saving"? There was never a reason given. On that show you guys were completely ignorant on a number of things and had no idea what you were talking about. There was zero accuracy and awareness on that episode. When people requested you do the same thing for 360 on the next episode, you dedicated an entire two minutes tops. If that. Um, what? You didn't even do a breakdown for the Wii. Then on the next episode, you guys pretty much skipped over all of the 20 pages of negative feedback from the PS3 episode and responded to none of them. I can't even remember the last time you guys all played a multiplatform game on the PS3. When is the last time Cheapy turned on his Wii, PSP, or DS? Actually finished a PS3 game?

I cut Wombat some slack because he has a full time job, a kid, and a long commute everyday. Shipwreck, you play an ungodly amount of video games so I don't know what your excuse is. As for Cheapy, I'm assuming the guy sits around in his underwear most of the day, so he has no excuse either.

After listening to the episode, the same things pop up. You all almost completely dismiss the NPG, when it's not even out yet, and all the final details aren't even out, like it's real name or price.

Ship, you complained about a JRPG.....being a JRPG. Um, again, what?

The guy talking about how the NGP will fail is a completely moron. Yeah, the iPhone has 99 cent games, and thousands of apps and games. How many of those are apps and games are complete shit? 80%? 90%? I wish people would get off Apple's sack already.

Good show though.

[trip1eX]

Couldn't get past the first minute of the BulletStorm tutorial. Just too juvenile. Shoot guys in nuts. Hit them on their butt. blah blah blah. Creative ways to kill. Yawn.

You guys make want to check it out, but ....

Looking forward to Duke though. :)

[Energy Penguin]

Great show this week guys. It is hilarious that people think you have to play games on certain platforms. This is their show, which we get for free. They should play whatever games they want and talk about what ever they want on their show. I listen cause i like cheapy, wombat, and ship. I like to hear them talk. I don't need certain games or systems discussed. I don't understand why people need every game and every platform discussed equally. There are plenty of podcasts for that. If CAG were like GiantBomb and cheapy, wombat, and ship were in an office together all week playing games, making videos, recording casts, then more games and platforms would be covered. But ship and wombat work full time, and married and wombat has kids, and they have to game, and then they record the cast. they play what they want to play and talk about it, I don't see what the big deal is.

When Cheapy was talking about the ngp and how he would never play a handheld when he could play on a big screen I had a vision of an old gamer that just can't wrap his mind around the future. I include myself in this group. i feel the next generation gamer won't care about playing on a big screen. Cheapy and wombat's kids will be so used to gaming on portables, I don't think they'll miss the big screen. We'll all be old men, on the couch playing games on huge screens and our kids will be running out the door with the NGP 3, rolling their eyes at us. It will be like a record player to them.

[trip1eX]

They like the 360 and Apple. Get over it. You can't control 'em. I tried sending some radio waves their way to command them to like the Wii but they just started talking about jacking off and hand jobs more. I gave up. :)

[usickenme]

What didn't we cover that was on the other systems? Cheapy talked about Killzone 3 (I'm sure I will too once I buy it since I was a big fan of Killzone 2), we talked briefly about PixelJunk Shooter (none of us enjoyed the first game that much), we mentioned that a new Bit.Trip game had come out for WiiWare (I'll also play this at some point), we talked about Dragon Quest VI on the DS, we talked about Acceleration of SUGURI X-Edition on PSN, we talked about Pokemon on the DS, we talked about Battleheart on iOS, and we talked about multi-platform games like Bulletstorm, Brink, and Knight's Contract. Hell, I even mentioned a PC game was coming out because a CAG worked on it (RIFT). The only thing we didn't mention (but was on our outline) that I think is fairly cool, is Vagrant Story is now available on PSN.

This may be why you think we are ignoring criticisms. Read that paragraph and tell me again that we don't have "awareness of other platforms". Then re-read it in a mocking tone if you think I hate everything that's not related to Xbox 360.

You don't honestly believe the criticism is just related to one episode do you?

So the next time you all are wondering why you don't have 100k listeners, that is a good place to start.

[skadave]

Great show this week guys. It is hilarious that people think you have to play games on certain platforms. This is their show, which we get for free. They should play whatever games they want and talk about what ever they want on their show. I listen cause i like cheapy, wombat, and ship. I like to hear them talk. I don't need certain games or systems discussed. I don't understand why people need every game and every platform discussed equally. There are plenty of podcasts for that. If CAG were like GiantBomb and cheapy, wombat, and ship were in an office together all week playing games, making videos, recording casts, then more games and platforms would be covered. But ship and wombat work full time, and married and wombat has kids, and they have to game, and then they record the cast. they play what they want to play and talk about it, I don't see what the big deal is.

When Cheapy was talking about the ngp and how he would never play a handheld when he could play on a big screen I had a vision of an old gamer that just can't wrap his mind around the future. I include myself in this group. i feel the next generation gamer won't care about playing on a big screen. Cheapy and wombat's kids will be so used to gaming on portables, I don't think they'll miss the big screen. We'll all be old men, on the couch playing games on huge screens and our kids will be running out the door with the NGP 3, rolling their eyes at us. It will be like a record player to them.


Very well said. My only disagreement is the generation bit about handhelds. I think the reason kids play handhelds is that their parents won't let them monopolize the tv. Once they get older and have their own televisions they won't be using their DS's or PSPS nearly as much.

Side note:
I enjoy the Bombcast quite a bit and i listen to it every week. Like you said, these guys do this for a living and have a different perspective. The reason i enjoy the CAGCAST is that i feel they are more in touch with the average gamer (Wombat and I have very similar backgrounds. . . i have a 3 year old daughter, a boy on the way, and i work in mid-town manhattan).

I think a lot of the criticism of the show is off base. If anything Wombat, Cheepy and Shipwreck are being honest. And isn't that what we want? If cheepy doesn't care for the DS, do you want him to pretend to like it? I don't. I feel that a lot of podcasts need to curb their opinions a bit in order to protect their relationships with developers. I don't get that impression with the cagcast.

[Thomas96]

The comments following the CAGCAST are sometimes more entertaining than the show itself.

[Microshock]

I don't like the way they talk about PS3 exclusives in such a dismissive way. The 360 games they play will get talked about for a good amount of time though.

For example, the hype wagon. You mentioned stuff like Skyrim and whatever in there and then you said, Oh and uncharted 3 but we didn't need to say that. That's a no brainer, as if no time needed to be spent talking about it all. Same thing happened for uncharted 2 back in 2009, you talked about it for literally..two minutes. Two minutes. You had a whole show dedicated to Mass Effect 2 though. At LEAST.
The consensus is that, if its on 360, you're much more willing to try it. But if its on PS3, you need to be pressured by the community just to get it and you'll talk about it for 30 seconds just to prove you played it (for about 30 seconds as well)

God of War 3, once again, very shallow discussion. Get over your hate on the PSN, it works FINE. You should be praising the fact that instead of paying 50 dollars to play online (which i hate doing on my 360), you get tons of free games and goodies. Xbox Live is good but the complaints you guys had about PSN were so so dumb. Not enough attention to new stuff? The what's new section, playstation blog, and various other places not good enough? Oh, i guess it has to be an ad on the dashboard for you guys to "pay attention" to it.

I'm a fairly new 360 owner and I enjoy it but XBL Gold has almost nothing worth the price it asks for. Friends lists are on both systems, in-game invites are on both systems now, the only thing XBL gold has is party chat and being able to push the xbox button to open a message upon receival.

[skadave]

i don't like the way they talk about ps3 exclusives in such a dismissive way. The 360 games they play will get talked about for a good amount of time though.

For example, the hype wagon. You mentioned stuff like skyrim and whatever in there and then you said, oh and uncharted 3 but we didn't need to say that. That's a no brainer, as if no time needed to be spent talking about it all. Same thing happened for uncharted 2 back in 2009, you talked about it for literally..two minutes. Two minutes. You had a whole show dedicated to mass effect 2 though. At least.
The consensus is that, if its on 360, you're much more willing to try it. But if its on ps3, you need to be pressured by the community just to get it and you'll talk about it for 30 seconds just to prove you played it (for about 30 seconds as well)



god of war 3, once again, very shallow discussion. Get over your hate on the psn, it works fine. You should be praising the fact that instead of paying 50 dollars to play online (which i hate doing on my 360), you get tons of free games and goodies. Xbox live is good but the complaints you guys had about psn were so so dumb. Not enough attention to new stuff? The what's new section, playstation blog, and various other places not good enough? Oh, i guess it has to be an ad on the dashboard for you guys to "pay attention" to it.

I'm a fairly new 360 owner and i enjoy it but xbl gold has almost nothing worth the price it asks for. Friends lists are on both systems, in-game invites are on both systems now, the only thing xbl gold has is party chat and being able to push the xbox button to open a message upon receival.

it's their opinion!!! Get over it!

[ShockandAww]

I don't like the way they talk about PS3 exclusives in such a dismissive way. The 360 games they play will get talked about for a good amount of time though.

For example, the hype wagon. You mentioned stuff like Skyrim and whatever in there and then you said, Oh and uncharted 3 but we didn't need to say that. That's a no brainer, as if no time needed to be spent talking about it all. Same thing happened for uncharted 2 back in 2009, you talked about it for literally..two minutes. Two minutes. You had a whole show dedicated to Mass Effect 2 though. At LEAST.
The consensus is that, if its on 360, you're much more willing to try it. But if its on PS3, you need to be pressured by the community just to get it and you'll talk about it for 30 seconds just to prove you played it (for about 30 seconds as well)

God of War 3, once again, very shallow discussion. Get over your hate on the PSN, it works FINE. You should be praising the fact that instead of paying 50 dollars to play online (which i hate doing on my 360), you get tons of free games and goodies. Xbox Live is good but the complaints you guys had about PSN were so so dumb. Not enough attention to new stuff? The what's new section, playstation blog, and various other places not good enough? Oh, i guess it has to be an ad on the dashboard for you guys to "pay attention" to it.

I'm a fairly new 360 owner and I enjoy it but XBL Gold has almost nothing worth the price it asks for. Friends lists are on both systems, in-game invites are on both systems now, the only thing XBL gold has is party chat and being able to push the xbox button to open a message upon receival.

Hmm not sure where people are getting the Xbox fanboy vibe from this show. I imagine he said Uncharted 3 is a no brainer as in everybody wants that and it goes without saying. I really dont remember though.

Also Cheapys most wanted list included The Last Guardian and the Ico/SotC Collection.

...And didnt they also talk about Infamous 2 and it's level editor? Cheapy said he was digging it.

[Microshock]

Hmm not sure where people are getting the Xbox fanboy vibe from this show. I imagine he said Uncharted 3 is a no brainer as in everybody wants that and it goes without saying. I really dont remember though.

Also Cheapys most wanted list included The Last Guardian and the Ico/SotC Collection.

...And didnt they also talk about Infamous 2 and it's level editor? Cheapy said he was digging it.

I don't hate on the CAGcast all the time. And there are times when they actually talk in depth about Sony's stuff for a change. But those times are usually very short or very uninformed (the whole PS3 needs to be saved thing).

The issue seems to be that when a big name PS3 exclusive comes out, either just one person plays it or none. Killzone 3 for example, CheapyD played it this week but Shipwreck doesn't have it and Wombat made some excuse not to get it. So when Shipwreck plays it the next week, there won't be a follow up discussion on it (i could be wrong).

But yet when Wombat finally finishes up Alan Wake, its time to have a discussion about it.
There's no real way to change this other than for you guys to change your attitude about the Playstation. Stop viewing it from the business side and checking out the NPD sales all the time. It's sold over 40 million units and any company would be happy to have those kind of sales.

NO, i'm not saying you hate the PS3. But you giving suggestions on what game franchises Sony should shut down is NOT helping it.

Still love the show though! I miss the funny stories you guys would have about your lives from the week though, it seems to be rare.

[NateWhs152]

I am going to guess in order to win the PSN code I am supposed to post in the CAG cast forum

[FriskyTanuki]

I forgot to mention this before, but do you guys think you can add the games you talk about in the spoilered list of topics in the OP? I missed what the names of the games Shipwreck and Wombat were when they were talking about them since they only mention the name at the very beginning and then never mention it again. I had to scour the thread afterwards to see that they were Brink and Knights Contract. You should also think about adding links to the stuff you talk about, like Raptr, that people could check out since you caused a lot of confusion to people that assumed it was Raptor.com and a simple link in the topics list would've solved the issue, at least for the smart listeners.

[banodyne]

Just thought of something blows Wombat's accounting theory of the XBL market out of the water. The indie market is packed with dollar games that sell in really low numbers. I'm pretty sure the accounting for XBL is all automated.

[Wombat]

Just thought of something blows Wombat's accounting theory of the XBL market out of the water. The indie market is packed with dollar games that sell in really low numbers. I'm pretty sure the accounting for XBL is all automated.

For those indy game makers there is no accountant that you have pay, unlike say EA. To account for 100 dollars in downloads, EA probably has to pay more in salaries. An indy game dev probably has no staff.

[CaptainJoel]

Finally listened to this today, I enjoyed it. Great show guys :)

[mada]

There shure is a lot of whining in this thread.


Opinons are opinions nothing more. I have an opinion, you have an opinion. It's simple and its fair.

[RichMeisterMan]

Holy shit! Rock Band 3 sold fewer copies than Dance Central?! This really does sadden me. I have no complaints with Rock Band except for some slight aesthetic issues that only grind my gears because I really like playing dress up with my characters.

I play the game almost everyday if just to play a few songs. The drums are just a total blast today just like they were when Rock Band 1 came out.

[jkanownik]

Just thought of something blows Wombat's accounting theory of the XBL market out of the water. The indie market is packed with dollar games that sell in really low numbers. I'm pretty sure the accounting for XBL is all automated.

It's not the size of the slices of pie that matter, it's the size of the overall pie. You can cut it up into as many pieces as you want, but there has to be a pie big enough for someone to care about. The tiny music royalties happen because the publishers combine thousands of tiny payments into a single pie that is big enough for them to care about.

[Z_meista]

Cheapy must have had an hour long poop session while recording the show.

The Dragon Age 2 demo was easy. It was certainly easier than Dragon Age Origins, as Wombat has mentioned. I didn't have much difficulty defeating the 2nd ogre.

Good show.

[Kuromimi]

Awesome show guys!

[skadave]

With guitar hero out of the way, Rockband should start to show better numbers. Also you have to remember that the Kinect came out this year which i am sure did not help the Rockband franchise (i doubt many kids got a Kinect AND rockband for christmas this year).

[StriderNo9]

Meh, the shows fine, you can do it any way you want, I'm just saying, if you are curious to why people ar complaining about things, look to how stuck in your ways you are Cheapy, refuse to even consider a handheld unless it's an Apple product, and you pretend to like the PS3 even though you obviously don't. Just admit to it, and let people that dislike that move on and listen to someone else.

[Velo214]

Hey shipwreck i want a psn code, what's the contest? i join. lol
peace n thanx

[Hobotalk]

In terms of pricing on XBLA, I'm sure I read a while ago that the reason the second DLC pack of L4D (Crash Course) and all of L4D2's DLC isn't free (a la PC) was because Microsoft wouldn't let Valve release it for free as it would undercut all other developers DLC. I.e. customers would look at free DLC for L4D and think "Well why should I pay for all my other DLC if they can give it our free".

How valid this is I don't know. However I've also heard of Microsoft giving "recommended" prices for arcade titles so that the higher quality/longer games are usually 1200 and the shorter/less popular ones are 800.

Anyway...

Shipwreck Ocarina of Time is still one of the best games ever. I recommended you try playing it again (maybe not on the 3DS though). I regularly play through it every 1-2 years or so (although admittedly I am a huge Zelda fanboy)

[Damianogre]

On the last show Cheepy, Wombat and Shipwreck started talking about a game. 39:30 mark. Sky Rune? Sky Room. I looked around and couldn't find anything about it. What is this game?

Thanks

[shipwreck]

Hey shipwreck i want a psn code, what's the contest? i join. lol
peace n thanx

You can enter here: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/blog.php?b=19571

[ufskenney]

I forgot to mention this before, but do you guys think you can add the games you talk about in the spoilered list of topics in the OP? I missed what the names of the games Shipwreck and Wombat were when they were talking about them since they only mention the name at the very beginning and then never mention it again.
I mentioned something like this a long time ago. I requested that they bookend their comments with the name of the game. Sometimes I have it on in the background and have to rewind to figure out the name of the game. In the show notes with a rough time marker would be awesome.

[ufskenney]

On the last show Cheepy, Wombat and Shipwreck started talking about a game. 39:30 mark. Sky Rune? Sky Room. I looked around and couldn't find anything about it. What is this game?

Thanks

Skyrim

[Kylearan]

Well, finally got my hands on the 3DS at GDC. But first, a little about GDC...

For gamers, it's not really that interesting. There are a very few things on display, from 3D tech we're going to see in Crysis 2 and PCs running Halo and Fable III, to the full complement on 3DS launch titles, and some Kinect and Move titles (Killzone 3). Fun stuff, just not much of it. That's because GDC is a recruiting event. I'm sure Cheapy, Ship and Wombat know this - so I'd echo Cheapy's statements on the show about GDC, and unless you're interested in actually working on games or using the middleware tech or payment systems surrounding games (in-app purchases, Paypal, etc.), there's very little here.

Now, onto the 3DS. A mixed bag from what I experienced. I only had time to play with two games, Steel Diver and Kid Icarus - and the implementation of 3D in both games couldn't be more different. (Pilotwings, Street Fighter, Zelda and a couple others were there, but I was tight on time.)

In Steel Diver, 3D is a very subtle effect and, because it was the first game I touched, I lost a lot of interest in the 3DS almost immediately (the non-wow factor of the 3D AND the game itself (see below)). Then I had some time to play Kid Icarus, which really implements the 3D well, adding quite a bit of fun to the gameplay and keeping me in pre-order land. So, just because a game has 3D doesn't mean it's done well - just like movies, we have the winners (movies natively shot in 3D) and the stinkers (movies shot in 2D and converted to 3D in post).

Onto gameplay, again, I only had hands on time with these two.

I'd say Steel Diver is a HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT. It uses the sensors to determine the direction you're looking in the game, you have a 360 view and can look up and down to some degree, all of which is neat, but this ensures you need to constantly be moving and spinning around to find the subs you need to destroy. You cannot play this seated without getting pasted, which means no couch potato, no playing in bed, no playing on a bus or train or airplane, etc. You're controls are limited to using the stylus on the touchscreen for zooming in/out on targets, shooting a left or right torpedo, and using the stylus to plug leaks to your submarine when damaged (which is just like that Plug the Leaks game on Kinect Adventures). And...that's it.

I love the idea of a kick-ass submarine game. I'm sorry to say Steel Diver isn't it.

Kid Icarus, by contrast, was a fun game, great use of 3D, and it controls pretty well, but you're going to experience play-fatigue after a short period of time. Between using the stylus to select targets and move around on the ground (right hand), holding the system (left hand), while using the analog stick to move around during flight and on the ground (left thumb), and the left trigger to shoot (left index finger), you absolutely must stabilize the 3DS on a surface - a table or your leg - because you can't possibly keep holding the system for long periods of time. Five minutes, fine, but after 15 minutes you want to put the system down. Even when you have the system supported, the holding the system/analog/trigger trifecta puts an enormous amount of stress on your left hand. I did enjoy the game, but I'd say long play sessions or playing while standing are out. If you're lefty, I don't know how you could play it at all.

All-in-all, good to have a little hands-on with the system. It's definitely capable of excellent 3D, as Kid Icarus made evident, but we'll see - it could certainly have benefited from a second analog control. Also, because you truly cannot take video of games, hands-on is critical. I look forward to testing out a few more things at PAX East next week. Legend of Zelda should be there, in addition to Pilotwings and all the other titles I missed at GDC. Personally, I hope Shin Megami Tensei will be on display.

[dohmai]

Please hold contest to have guest hosts each week

Thanks

[Sgt Barone]

Just listened on my trip from Cleveland to Columbus, great show everyone!

[yobak3r]

Wooow. There are a lot of butthurt PS3/Nintendo fans out for this one. Do you people actually think that three grown, married men are really 360 fanboys??? All they do is play games they want to play on the console they prefer to play it on. It has nothing to do with Microsoft or Sony, it's just their preference. Why should they play games they aren't interested in to stop the whining of you people? If they don't mention a game (which is rare) it isn't because it's a PS3 or DS game. It's because it's a PS3 or DS game that doesn't peak their interest. Have they gone on record saying they prefer 360 over PS3? Sure. BUT THEY ALSO LAID OUT SEVERAL REASONS WHY. They aren't fanboys, they just have preferences.

Get over yourselves and grow up.

[skadave]

wooow. There are a lot of butthurt ps3/nintendo fans out for this one. Do you people actually think that three grown, married men are really 360 fanboys??? All they do is play games they want to play on the console they prefer to play it on. It has nothing to do with microsoft or sony, it's just their preference. Why should they play games they aren't interested in to stop the whining of you people? If they don't mention a game (which is rare) it isn't because it's a ps3 or ds game. It's because it's a ps3 or ds game that doesn't peak their interest. Have they gone on record saying they prefer 360 over ps3? Sure. But they also laid out several reasons why. They aren't fanboys, they just have preferences.

Get over yourselves and grow up.

bravo!

[Blackout]

Wooow. There are a lot of butthurt PS3/Nintendo fans out for this one. Do you people actually think that three grown, married men are really 360 fanboys??? All they do is play games they want to play on the console they prefer to play it on. It has nothing to do with Microsoft or Sony, it's just their preference. Why should they play games they aren't interested in to stop the whining of you people? If they don't mention a game (which is rare) it isn't because it's a PS3 or DS game. It's because it's a PS3 or DS game that doesn't peak their interest. Have they gone on record saying they prefer 360 over PS3? Sure. BUT THEY ALSO LAID OUT SEVERAL REASONS WHY. They aren't fanboys, they just have preferences.

Get over yourselves and grow up.

Critiquing something is not "whining." I don't care what they're preferences are, but I think the show needs freshened up with a reformatting. The CAGcast tries to be an all encompassing gaming podcast covering all the systems out there with an open mind towards everything, but they clearly fail at this because they don't play anything outside the 360/PS3. The PS3 talk is iffy as it is, and sometimes downright completely stupid (see the entire PS3 needs saving episode, their knowledge of PSN, them overlooking PS3 exclusives, etc). When they only play one or two systems at max, the other news stuff/discussions just takes up a lot of unnecessary time and you can tell they just don't really give a shit. Instead of pretending to care, they should just totally cut it from the show.

They can try to put the effort in to play these systems and games and incorporate them into the show since they run a gaming podcast that talks about all the systems, as well as getting the perks (lots of free games, events, etc), or they can not put the effort in, keep it on cruise control, and just cut the current fat out from the show. Either way works. Keep the 360/PS3 games and news. Cut the Wii/DS/PSP talk. Keep the Apple talk since that's the only thing Cheapy gets excited about. Take out the new releases segment because it's a waste of time. Maybe incorporate some sort of special handheld segment for Wombat since he commutes long hours and plays games during that time. Also maybe have some segment where they play an old cheap game (since this is Cheap Ass Gamer) and recommend it to people. I don't know.

[Wombat]

Critiquing something is not "whining." I don't care what they're preferences are, but I think the show needs freshened up with a reformatting. The CAGcast tries to be an all encompassing gaming podcast covering all the systems out there with an open mind towards everything, but they clearly fail at this because they don't play anything outside the 360/PS3. The PS3 talk is iffy as it is, and sometimes downright completely stupid (see the entire PS3 needs saving episode, their knowledge of PSN, them overlooking PS3 exclusives, etc). When they only play one or two systems at max, the other news stuff/discussions just takes up a lot of unnecessary time and you can tell they just don't really give a shit.

They can try to put the effort in to play these systems and games and incorporate them into the show since they run a gaming podcast that talks about all the systems, as well as getting the perks (lots of free games, events, etc), or they can not put the effort in, keep it on cruise control, and just cut the current fat out from the show. Either way works. Keep the 360/PS3 games and news. Keep the Apple talk since that's the only thing Cheapy gets excited about. Take out the new releases segment because it's a waste of time. Maybe incorporate some sort of special handheld segment for Wombat since he commutes long hours and plays games during that time. Also maybe have some segment where they play an old cheap game (since this is Cheap Ass Gamer) and recommend it to people. I don't know.

What kind of show are expecting? For me the show is about the three of us, and what think and what we play. No more, no less. I don’t consider it a review show or a game news show. I would love it if people stopped thinking of as a game themed show altogether. It is an entertainment show. Hopefully when you listen, you enjoy it. That's all we aim for.

[Blackout]

What kind of show are expecting? For me the show is about the three of us, and what think and what we play. No more, no less. I don’t consider it a review show or a game news show. I would love it if people stopped thinking of as a game themed show altogether. It is an entertainment show. Hopefully when you listen, you enjoy it. That's all we aim for.

I've never once said I haven't been entertained by the show. You guys got that locked down with your jokes and stories. Sometimes I have to stop listening to the podcast when I'm on way way to school on the bus or train, otherwise I'd burst out laughing like a moron. All three of you are great personalities.

The points I were making is that the CAGcast for a long time has been a gaming podcast centered on news, reviews, etc focused on all the systems. That's what it's been for 231 episodes. I would think most people would agree you guys are a video game podcast. Now if you guys are under that umbrella, then the criticisms people are pointing out have some validity. I'm not saying you guys become all serious like Giant Bomb,1 UP, or Joystiq, because all those guys suck.

I've been listening for a long time, and I can tell the energy level and excitement is fading off, and sometimes not even there. I missed the episode where guys talked about wanting more listeners and stuff, but I think a reformatting in either direction I mentioned previously would spice things up for you guys as well as the listeners.

Either way I'm still going to listen because you guys are hilarious.

[FriskyTanuki]

What kind of show are expecting? For me the show is about the three of us, and what think and what we play. No more, no less. I don’t consider it a review show or a game news show. I would love it if people stopped thinking of as a game themed show altogether. It is an entertainment show. Hopefully when you listen, you enjoy it. That's all we aim for.
Why? Do you guys want to be able to talk about "serious" gaming topics without being able to be criticized because it's not a gaming podcast? About 90% of each show is all about games with a good portion containing serious topics ranging from the NPDs to rants about why the PS3/Sony is terrible to what bad decisions publisher X is making.

[yobak3r]

Critiquing something is not "whining." I don't care what they're preferences are, but I think the show needs freshened up with a reformatting. The CAGcast tries to be an all encompassing gaming podcast covering all the systems out there with an open mind towards everything, but they clearly fail at this because they don't play anything outside the 360/PS3. The PS3 talk is iffy as it is, and sometimes downright completely stupid (see the entire PS3 needs saving episode, their knowledge of PSN, them overlooking PS3 exclusives, etc). When they only play one or two systems at max, the other news stuff/discussions just takes up a lot of unnecessary time and you can tell they just don't really give a shit. Instead of pretending to care, they should just totally cut it from the show.

They can try to put the effort in to play these systems and games and incorporate them into the show since they run a gaming podcast that talks about all the systems, as well as getting the perks (lots of free games, events, etc), or they can not put the effort in, keep it on cruise control, and just cut the current fat out from the show. Either way works. Keep the 360/PS3 games and news. Cut the Wii/DS/PSP talk. Keep the Apple talk since that's the only thing Cheapy gets excited about. Take out the new releases segment because it's a waste of time. Maybe incorporate some sort of special handheld segment for Wombat since he commutes long hours and plays games during that time. Also maybe have some segment where they play an old cheap game (since this is Cheap Ass Gamer) and recommend it to people. I don't know.

Stop commenting on what the CagCast is trying to be. Do you live inside Wombat's Wombat shaped head? All it is is just three funny guys discussing their hobby. The PS3 talk is only iffy to you because you disagree with their views (the ps3 needs saving episode was absolutely reasonable, and the only time i can think of bad psn knowledge was wombat, who is good for about a couple errors a show about any given subject. As for exclusives, name some theyve missed that are actually relevant.) As i said before, why should three grown men, doing a free podcast they get pretty much no monetary value for, be forced to discuss a game they have no interest in? Then you say they should just cut out all talk of all but ps3/360? You act like Shipwreck doesnt play his DS or Wii.

Im not saying there wasnt a lull in the CagCast fire for a bit there, but the guys have really picked it up the last couple shows. Your drastic adjustments make it sound like the show was going to the dogs. Critiquing the show is one thing. Calling for a massive overhaul is another.

[Blackout]

Stop commenting on what the CagCast is trying to be. Do you live inside Wombat's Wombat shaped head? All it is is just three funny guys discussing their hobby. The PS3 talk is only iffy to you because you disagree with their views (the ps3 needs saving episode was absolutely reasonable, and the only time i can think of bad psn knowledge was wombat, who is good for about a couple errors a show about any given subject. As for exclusives, name some theyve missed that are actually relevant.) As i said before, why should three grown men, doing a free podcast they get pretty much no monetary value for, be forced to discuss a game they have no interest in? Then you say they should just cut out all talk of all but ps3/360? You act like Shipwreck doesnt play his DS or Wii.

Im not saying there wasnt a lull in the CagCast fire for a bit there, but the guys have really picked it up the last couple shows. Your drastic adjustments make it sound like the show was going to the dogs. Critiquing the show is one thing. Calling for a massive overhaul is another.

As Frisky mentioned, the CAGcast does get serious at many points in the gaming discussions, but yet we can't criticism them when they goof up, say something dumb, dismiss something, or clearly don't know what they're talking about because they're "just three funny guys discussing their hobbies doing a free podcast"? They can't have their cake and eat it too. If they want to be a purely entertainment show that's fine, but as of right now the CAGcast is a gaming podcast that tries to have lots of serious discussions and can and should be criticized for something they do or don't do. They get the perks of the gig (lots of free review copies, able to go to gaming events, etc) so they need to be able to take criticisms once and a while.

The PS3 episode was completely stupid because this isn't 2007 where the system is in dire need of "saving" and it's the worst system of all time, etc, etc that we heard time and time again between 06-07. Again, why didn't they do the same kind of 2011 round up for the 360 and Wii? Was there any point to that PS3 episode besides pointing out "facts" as to why they don't play their PS3?

It's not really a drastic overall when they don't even care about those things and spend most of the time on the show with 360/PS3 anyway. They weren't batshit insane suggestions. Besides, they're not going to follow them anyway.

[yobak3r]

As Frisky mentioned, the CAGcast does get serious at many points in the gaming discussions, but yet we can't criticism them when they goof up, say something dumb, dismiss something, or clearly don't know what they're talking about because they're "just three funny guys discussing their hobbies doing a free podcast"? They can't have their cake and eat it too. If they want to be a purely entertainment show that's fine, but as of right now the CAGcast is a gaming podcast that tries to have lots of serious discussions and can and should be criticized for something they do or don't do. They get the perks of the gig (lots of free review copies, able to go to gaming events, etc) so they need to be able to take criticisms once and a while.

The PS3 episode was completely stupid because this isn't 2007 where the system is in dire need of "saving" and it's the worst system of all time, etc, etc that we heard time and time again between 06-07. Again, why didn't they do the same kind of 2011 round up for the 360 and Wii? Was there any point to that PS3 episode besides pointing out "facts" as to why they don't play their PS3?

It's not really a drastic overall when they don't even care about those things and spend most of the time on the show with 360/PS3 anyway. They weren't batshit insane suggestions. Besides, they're not going to follow them anyway.

I totally get where you're coming from. But the point remains that they shouldn't be obligated to discuss stuff they don't care about, i.e certain titles or boring news stories. Why can't they be a serious gaming podcast that doesn't mention a few irrelevant titles once in blue moon? And it's fine to point out when they're wrong. I never said it wasn't. But you took one error and branded them ignorant of the entire subject. That's not right.

Why did they do the PS3 show? Because of people (like you... but you're one of the more respectful ones) who take a few legitimate comments they make criticizing the PS3 and all of a sudden say they hate the console, or are totally inept when it comes to knowledge of it. They felt their backs were against the wall for no reason, and they wanted to tell those people exactly why they were making those comments. Of course, those people then ride the show off as a 360 fanboy fest instead of actually listening and realizing the trio might actually have a point.

With the comments you're making, it sounds like you think they hate the PS3 for no reason. Need I remind you Cheapy was a PS2 enthusiast and XBOX skeptic last gen? I must stress the fact that the notion of them being at all fanboys is ri.di.cu.lous. May they be misinformed at times? Sure, they have lives and can't study game articles day and night (well Cheapy could, but, again, why should he have to?) Criticism= perfectly acceptable. Criticism based on fierce exaggeration and misinformation= :shame: