CAGcast #244: DisKinected

[CheapyD]

15060[/IMG-L]Loads of games on tap this week: Kinect + Child of Eden, Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D, Duke Nukem, Transformers, Virtua Tennis 4, Red Faction and more! Get your questions or topics answered via CAGbag (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71382) or Twitter (http://www.twitter.com/cheapyd).


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[NDarkness]

Guessing the Kinect is gonna collect dust for CheapyD.

[letsgetacid]

Game talk? Ewwww

[Loonknight]

This should be interesting.

[nakedninja]

teenage mutant ninja turds

[ChristHBK]

DUDE.... I got a mention... SWEET!

And yeah my friend is feeling much better, I'll pass along your well wishes...

Yes he wasn't at the party, he was at work... come on, Wombat, I would have detailed it out very carefully (with pictures!) if he had gotten carried out from the party...

And yeah, maybe I should ditch my friends, no distraction for more games... :lol:

[dragon-x]

Hell, I'm still contemplating if I should get a Kinect :|

[NegativeZero]

Good luck and best wishes for you tomorrow ship!

numb numb numb Cheapy!

[davidb69]

Who's watching the transformers movies? This guy. Mainly because my 2 kids love it. They are 10 and 8. I don't find it extremly enjoyable but I find that I seem to torture myself hoping that the next one will get better then the last.

The Kinect is the biggest lump of electronic crap I've bought and never play with since the Sega Gamegear.

[LiK]

I love to tussel...

Shippy, show that cancer who's the boss!

[meager]

I doubt the Wii U will be less than $300. Probably closer to $400. They'll probably look at the launch prices of the PS3 and 360 for their pricing strategy. And am I the only one worried about that system? No DVD = no backward compatibility. And there probably won't even be a way to transfer your virtual console games.

We don't need another console, but Apple could bring something great to the TV-gaming table. I've said it before, but I was quite dismayed when Playstation entered the phone market, which probably eliminated the chance of Sony teaming up with Apple to make a solid online interface for the PS3. That team-up could have been spectacular.

[repete]

clip show please

[IceHogs27]

There has been a Gamefly box before, it is called G-Box. There was one at my college for a year but they removed it because college kids would not pay 2 dollars a day to rent games.

http://technologizer.com/2009/08/05/hands-on-with-gameflys-g-box-kiosk/

[smoger]

I had to laugh when Cheapy got offended by Wombat saying there aren't any iOS games he was (seriously) interested in, not 30 minutes after Cheapy browbeat him for considering an Android phone.

"The people who hate the iphone are the people who don't have one"

:rofl:

[smoger]

I doubt the Wii U will be less than $300. Probably closer to $400. They'll probably look at the launch prices of the PS3 and 360 for their pricing strategy. And am I the only one worried about that system? No DVD = no backward compatibility. And there probably won't even be a way to transfer your virtual console games.

99% sure they already announced compatibility with Wii titles but not Gamecube.

And why should we assume that there won't be a transfer utility? In their most recent console release, there WAS one. We just won't know for sure either way until they say, so it's pointless to take guesses about it.

[j-fever]

Hey guys.

I played the new Cars 2 game at E3 on Both PS3 and Wii. I found it to be most comparable to Mario cart with a bit more characterization. I enjoyed it and I am sure my kids will too. Being a CAG I will wait for a price drop, and getting it on PS3.

Overall for me there were very few remarkable game demos at E3, the deluge of FPS war simulation was numbing, so Disney Universe and Cars where not bad at all.

PS: I am bracing myself for the endless year of Cars 2 marketing. Seeing all the various products in stores already makes me think that the marketing campaign for this will be relentless deluge, not to mention the Disney "Planes" direct to video coming up, I expect, 'Trains" and " Boats" to follow up!

[rogXue]

@ship The MK pass does NOT include the previously released classic skins. only the ones that come with the new fighters. it's at the bottom of the dashboard ad

[LiK]

Guess Cheapy's hate for Kinect is justified...lulz. Try and beat my score bro!

[drkshr]

I liked that ending song! Who does that?

[VaultDweller13]

Cheapy says whoever hates the iPhone doesn't have one, but I used one for years before I got tired of it and replaced it. I honestly didn't care about any of the games on it so I agree with Wombat's sentiment that there is nothing worth playing on it. Just because the iPhone has a library of "thousands of games" doesn't mean much when most of those games are clones of each other, and junky to begin with.

[usickenme]

I had to laugh when Cheapy got offended by Wombat saying there aren't any iOS games he was (seriously) interested in, not 30 minutes after Cheapy browbeat him for considering an Android phone.

"The people who hate the iphone are the people who don't have one"

:rofl:

That's not quite accurate. Cheapy was making fun of Wombat for his faux interest in the Xperia phone (which I know is technically an andriod). So keep your pants on, he wasn't dissing the whole OS.

[Mahoney07]

Everybody knows Transformers 2 was horrible.

Transformers 3 is supposed to be surprisingly good though.

[berzirk]

My question is what is the worst movie series to ever go trilogy (not including Ep 1-3 of Star Wars)?

[atreyue]

I'm just glad someone finally mentioned what a huge apple fanboy Cheapy is. I've never bought an iPhone because I bought my wife an iPod and it was terrible. iTunes is some of the worst software I've ever used. I idea that people would actually want to play iOS games on a tv when they could be playing console games is just a joke.

And it's not a shocker to anyone that Cheapy didn't like the kinect, either. "If you have to stand up, you're not getting the full viewing or audio experience"? Seriously? Maybe if your tv and speakewrs are on the floor (but maybe it's different for someone who's 6'4"). I've never had any problems with the mic unless I've had the volume turned up really high on my sound system and it sounds like the other guys haven't either. I was really excited about the new dashboard announcements for kinect voice integration and I think they were actually MS's focal point during their E3 press conference. I've always wanted to comment on a CAGcast since I've been listening for years, it sucks that my first one has to be negative.

On a positive note (for the CAGcast, at least), the Joystiq show is truly terrible for me. I only started listening after you guys had Justin on as a guest and quickly found that Chris Grant is a really arrogant tool. He was by far my least favorite thing about it. So I wouldn't be surprised if you do see an influx of subscribers after a couple of episodes.

[CaptainJoel]

Hey, Ship! I thought you'd like to know that one of the actual pitched lines for the guy near the whiteboard to say in Duke Nukem was something along the lines of "Duke, that's the best dick I've ever seen!" But they didn't use it for some reason. :(

[Thomas96]

I am Blacktimus Prime! Great Show!

[rteg48]

Its sounding like someone should send Wombat this book:
http://www.amazon.com/Go-F-Sleep-Adam-Mansbach/dp/1617750255/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I9DL8WOED83DZ&colid=1EIJQQEWF290I

The audiobook is even better because it's read by Samuel L Jackson. And its exactly as awesome as it sounds

[banodyne]

Wombat, as someone who said they have to renew their Verizon contract at the end of the summer, you might want to consider switching carriers. After July 7th Verizon is switching from a $30 unlimited data plan to a tiered system that jacks up the price like crazy (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2387318,00.asp). Just my opinion: AT&T is the same as Verizon for price. T-Mobile is cheaper but they throttle data if you pass a certain limit. That leaves Sprint as the best deal of the major carriers since they're cheaper and have true unlmited data. Boost and Virgin Mobile are better deals and (psst, don't tell anyone) use Sprint's network but they don't have the best phones.

Also, discounts on phones aren't a big deal. The physical phone stores overcharge. Amazon's Wireless (http://wireless.amazon.com/)store practically gives the phones away just for signing up or renewing contracts.

[banodyne]

On a positive note (for the CAGcast, at least), the Joystiq show is truly terrible for me. I only started listening after you guys had Justin on as a guest and quickly found that Chris Grant is a really arrogant tool. He was by far my least favorite thing about it. So I wouldn't be surprised if you do see an influx of subscribers after a couple of episodes.Overall, good first post. The CAGcast is, of course, a good podcast for video games. You should also give the Giant Bomb Bombcast (http://www.giantbomb.com/podcast/) a shot.

[bmulligan]

So, Wombat - How do you find the time for a job, two kids, a wife, a house, the CagCast AND to be the voice of the new Bugs Bunny?

[Microshock]

I actually love the Transformers movies. See, people like CheapyD and Shipwreck are blinded by the nostalgia of the original cartoons. They cannot watch the original ones and actually find flaws, because the warm fuzzy memories of their childhood overpower it. The cartoons are actually immensely dumb, with amazing scenes like a Transformer fishing with a human.

Me on the other hand, I have fun watching huge robots fight. And I know the jokes aren't exactly high class and thankfully for the third movie, they removed those two wangsta robots. BUT YOU GET TO SEE ROBOTS BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF EACH OTHER. Shia Labeouf is a capable actor so it's not like the parts with the humans are bad either. I really enjoyed the whole college scene with Shia and him freaking out in class drawing Cybertron symbols.

Transformers 1 was better just because the atmosphere was a bit more serious than the second one. The second one just goofed around a bit too much and it seems like the third one will go back to the more serious tone.

These are fun summer movies. Of course you're not going to enjoy them if you have a stick up your ass every time and compare it to your nostalgia cartoons.

And man oh man, Cheapy's apple fanboyness is showing AGAIN. How dare anyone choose a phone other than the iphone? If they chose an Xperia Play they're a Sony Fanboy, if they choose a Windows Phone 7 then they're microsoft fanboys. And if they choose an android phone, then the iphone must be better.

[FriskyTanuki]

You guys know a former mod that is an prime example of the type of person that loves the Transformer movies.

I've only ever seen one RedBox machine around here and I'd never bother wasting the time and gas it takes to go out there to rent a game for a day. The only use that I can see for it is if I have to have a certain right this second and have a completely empty day to dedicate to it.

Virtua Tennis 4 is easy, especially early on. If you're losing really early, then you suck. I really enjoyed it a lot since the career mode is short enough that I can get through it in a few sessions.

I have to wonder why Volition decided to turn a great open world game into a linear corridor third-person shooter. I'd get Saint's Row 3 day one if it had GeoMod tech in it.

I've had an iPod Touch for nearly 18 months now and I'd never get an iPhone because of my experience with it. I'm hoping that Sony allows general use apps (ESPN, email, Twitter, etc.) on Vita so that I have a reason to get rid of my Touch for good.

The New New Xbox Experience is for everybody. It looks like a mix of the Windows 8 interface (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_8) and the XMB:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON4stPcGPxs

iPad's been able to play games over HDMI since it launched, as Tested does their Apps of the Week videos using that feature. Apple is far behind Sony, MS, and Nintendo in terms of having consumer-friendly gaming devices and software, as they only make different styles of phones that happen to be decent at playing small games if you know how to work within their system. That "only those who don't have an iPhone hate it" line is ridiculous.

Decent show.

[GOTA]

Wombat,

If Apple decided the needed to start creating games for their new console they would just buy whoever they needed. They had over $60 billion in cash last quarter and shareholders want to see them put it to use. Paying $17 billion for Activision Blizzard would be an easy way to launch their new console. Imagine a new WoW that could be played on the console, IPad an IPhone. Now imagine the subscription revenue that would bring in.

IPhone is now 52% of Apple's revenues. They need to start to diversify for the same reasons they went into the MP3 player and phone market many years ago. The success the Microsoft has had in gaming they're going to attractive. In the not so distant future this will be the system that we'll all be playing.

[banodyne]

And man oh man, Cheapy's apple fanboyness is showing AGAIN. How dare anyone choose a phone other than the iphone? If they chose an Xperia Play they're a Sony Fanboy, if they choose a Windows Phone 7 then they're microsoft fanboys. And if they choose an android phone, then the iphone must be better.Bravo, sir. Bravo.:applause: One model does not fit all people. Or to put it in terms Cheapy can understand: "Now, the world don't move to the beat of just one drum. What might be right for you, may not be right for some." - Different Strokes, 1978

I've used an iPhone. Just had a Droid X. Now I'm on a Windows Phone (HTC Arrive) and pretty happy with it.

[Uncle Milkshake]

RE: Redbox gaming rentals.

I live in Portland, Oregon and we've had Redbox gaming rentals for about six months, so maybe it had a test run all along the West coast? I recently had an issue where I rented LEGO Pirates of the Caribbean for the PS3 and it gave me the 360 version instead even though I pushed the "PS3" option for the game format.

I called Redbox customer service to complain and was given a credit. Customer service also told me "people getting the wrong games for the wrong systems through Redbox is an ongoing problem." So the people that load up the Redbox kiosks are not paying too much attention to what they are doing. At the particular kiosk I use sometimes (I live across the street from a grocery store that has one) even the box art inserts for movies and games (on the kiosk, not the screen) are inserted backwards.

Hope this news is interesting.

[dubbfoolio]

Good show guys. Interesting to hear Cheapy's kinect impressions although it seems like his mind was made up already. I tried Child of Eden with the kinect controls last night and I was impressed, but I haven't compared with the controller yet though.

Good luck Ship!

[Kyrox]

Great show guys. I love the Thug Life segments. I was tempted to get a kinect for child of Eden until your review Cheapy. I was still slightly interested to use the voice features and using my hand for the menu and Netflix but it just does not seem worth it at this point. And the video above makes the kinect menu look hard to control and annoying.

[The Great BM]

I'm not going to dispute your opinion on the Transformers movies. I will dispute your claim from a previous show that they are worse than the G.I. Joe movie from 2009. I don't think I've seen more wooden acting and unnecessary flashbacks in any other film.

[Microshock]

I'm not going to dispute your opinion on the Transformers movies. I will dispute your claim from a previous show that they are worse than the G.I. Joe movie from 2009. I don't think I've seen more wooden acting and unnecessary flashbacks in any other film.

Other than the part of the movie where they use the cool robo suits, the movie was pure cheese. I was hoping for a Transformers style movie where it was fun but...no.

It's just nostalgia blocking their view on these things. Shipwreck is obviously a bigger GI Joe fan than a Transformers fan so he won't say the movie was worse than the Transformers one.

[shipwreck]

Neither G.I. Joe nor Transformers are fine pieces of cinema, but G.I. Joe more represented what a live-action G.I. Joe movie would be. It would be cheesy and campy and involve shooting lasers around well-known monuments. Also it would have ninjas. The Transformers movie was focused on humans (I also can't stand Shia Lebeouf) and the redeeming bits of robots actually fighting were often so difficult to tell what was going on that it was just a blur... other than the close-ups on GM logos. It also contained comedy bits that I think were written for Jar Jar Binks before being cut out of Star Wars Episode II & III.

[atreyue]

I've had an iPod Touch for nearly 18 months now and I'd never get an iPhone because of my experience with it. I'm hoping that Sony allows general use apps (ESPN, email, Twitter, etc.) on Vita so that I have a reason to get rid of my Touch for good.

iPad's been able to play games over HDMI since it launched, as Tested does their Apps of the Week videos using that feature. Apple is far behind Sony, MS, and Nintendo in terms of having consumer-friendly gaming devices and software, as they only make different styles of phones that happen to be decent at playing small games if you know how to work within their system. That "only those who don't have an iPhone hate it" line is ridiculous.

I know there's a lot of hate for the Zune (a product none of the guys on the show have ever used), but it really does beat the shit out of iPods because of the Zune pass alone. It's awesome enough to on it's own make me seriously consider getting a WP7 phone next year. I'd definitely recommend picking a Zune up when the hardware gets sufficiently cheap.

[Microshock]

Neither G.I. Joe nor Transformers are fine pieces of cinema, but G.I. Joe more represented what a live-action G.I. Joe movie would be. It would be cheesy and campy and involve shooting lasers around well-known monuments. Also it would have ninjas. The Transformers movie was focused on humans (I also can't stand Shia Lebeouf) and the redeeming bits of robots actually fighting were often so difficult to tell what was going on that it was just a blur... other than the close-ups on GM logos. It also contained comedy bits that I think were written for Jar Jar Binks before being cut out of Star Wars Episode II & III.

I never thought that the humans overpowered the Transformers movies. People need someone in the movie to relate to, and Optimus Prime is not a relatable guy.

Also, this thing with the fighting? Come on. That's just a silly excuse, it's VERY easy to tell who is fighting who and see the fight in general. Don't sit two rows from the screen.

See, you're nitpicking so hard that you've even had to fall back on the "they're using GM cars" argument. Something that you shouldn't even pay attention to.
You give a free pass to GI Joe for being so bad because "the cartoons were like that" but Transformers is somehow worse than the cartoons.

But whatever, its your opinion. Still clouded by nostalgia but your opinion nonetheless.

[Protocol Snow]

I had to laugh when Cheapy got offended by Wombat saying there aren't any iOS games he was (seriously) interested in, not 30 minutes after Cheapy browbeat him for considering an Android phone.

"The people who hate the iphone are the people who don't have one"

:rofl:

Best part of the episode by far. It's amazing how genuinely hurt Cheapy became when Wombat insulted the iPhone.

"The people who hate the iphone are the people who don't have one"

That line is hilarious. I guarantee you Cheapy has never used a Win Phone 7 or Android phone for more than 10 minutes.

[usickenme]

I know there's a lot of hate for the Zune (a product none of the guys on the show have ever used), but it really does beat the shit out of iPods because of the Zune pass alone. It's awesome enough to on it's own make me seriously consider getting a WP7 phone next year. I'd definitely recommend picking a Zune up when the hardware gets sufficiently cheap.

I like owning songs not renting them and the MP3 player part of iPods is the least interesting (it's not 2001 anymore). It's the apps.

[Microshock]

I like owning songs not renting them.

It's 15 dollars a month and they let you own about 10 songs every month. So that's like 10 dollars worth of songs right there and then 5 dollars for the unlimited listening.

[DragoonKnight]

I'm so glad Wombat said something about Cheapy's Apple slurping. How many iPhone games do you think Cheapy even owns? Wombat asked if iPhone really has console quality games and all Cheapy can say is Sword and Sworcery EP, a game that he probably wouldn't even know about if not for the 8-4 Play podcast/Mark MacDonald. I'm not trying to insult iPhone/iPad gaming, but it just doesn't compare to console gaming at all. I own hundreds of different iPhone games and there are certainly a good number of excellent gaming experiences, but they are reserved for pre-bedtime gaming for me. Does anyone really want to play these crappy console Gameloft ripoff games on a television?

[Cyrano]

Wombat calling out Cheapy's man-crush on Apple was hilarious. Cheapy has drunk so much Apple Kool Aid he can't even tell anymore. I couldn't stop laughing at Wombat's jokes. Funniest part of an episode in a long time.

All my best wishes to Shipwreck.

[atreyue]

I like owning songs not renting them and the MP3 player part of iPods is the least interesting (it's not 2001 anymore). It's the apps.

How many things do you need to have the app experience on anyway? I really don't need everything I carry to be able to check my facebook, calculate tips or play games on. Since I stopped downloading "free" music, it's been very helpful to have a service that allows me to listen to everything I could ever want to and more before having to purchase. If you mean owning as opposed to buying, stealing is definitely cheaper. But there's no way you'd be able to hear 90% of songs on each album, much less 90% of the artists out there since all radio stations play only the same 10 songs. In my experience, usually the best songs and artists never make it into the radio/mtv play. I like not throwing my money away, so being able to preview all the music I could want legally for the price of one new release (not even to mention the fact that I'm allowed to download 10 free mp3s that aren't locked to my Zune every month) makes it more than worth it.

[atreyue]

I never thought that the humans overpowered the Transformers movies. People need someone in the movie to relate to, and Optimus Prime is not a relatable guy.

Also, this thing with the fighting? Come on. That's just a silly excuse, it's VERY easy to tell who is fighting who and see the fight in general. Don't sit two rows from the screen.

See, you're nitpicking so hard that you've even had to fall back on the "they're using GM cars" argument. Something that you shouldn't even pay attention to.
You give a free pass to GI Joe for being so bad because "the cartoons were like that" but Transformers is somehow worse than the cartoons.

But whatever, its your opinion. Still clouded by nostalgia but your opinion nonetheless.

Both Transformers movies suck. I grew up with the original cartoon and it sucked too. The movies suck because they're all about explosions and effects. They do focus primarily on the humans while the original focused mainly on the robots. The 2nd one is also a piece of racist garbage. I don't know why they think minorities exist purely for comic relief and mockery. Michael Bay is a piece of shit director and I don't care what Hot Fuzz has to say about it.

[Sgt Barone]

Great show as always everyone! Very funny!

[meager]

99% sure they already announced compatibility with Wii titles but not Gamecube.

And why should we assume that there won't be a transfer utility? In their most recent console release, there WAS one. We just won't know for sure either way until they say, so it's pointless to take guesses about it.

Yup, you're right about the backwards compatibility. That's what I get for getting my news from twitter. I had infered that no DVD playback meant it wouldnt play the Wii discs. My bad.
As far as the transfer though, I really would hope so, but I've lost faith in Nintendo the past few years and think they won't give anything for free that they believe they can get people to pay for once again.

I'm terrified about the fact that The Gunstringer is going to be on a retail disc instead of XBLA. Twisted Pixel's other XBLA games are just about perfect length. They feel right for the (low) price, and you're not sick of them by the time you beat them. The Gunstringer seems neat, but already somewhat light on gameplay variation (from what little I've seen). If they're going to artificially inflate this game to fit perceived standards of a "full retail game" it could be bad.
What they should do is make an Orange Box type of release... Package Gunstringer and Ms Splosion Man (as exclusives to this package) along with special editions of their older games (new levels, playable characters) and then they can price it at $50. That would at least seem like consumers are getting full value for their money.

[trip1eX]

Apple has the right distribution model to take over the next console generation. The app store distribution model is to the optical disc as the cd was to the cartridge.

But everything else? I don't see it.

I can't see them making a traditional game controller.

Can't see them making cheap hardware. And like Wombat said where's the 1st party development and who cares if you can play Cut the Rope on your 50" hdtv?

PLus Apple never has really liked gaming. Jobs has come around some since it has blossomed on the iPOd touch and iPHONe etc, but....

....

Don't get the ipad vs the Wii comparison from Cheapie. Seems mostly Apples vs ambulances. The tablet controller might have some crossover, but it isn't a stand alone device. GAmes will be streamed to it from the console. And should be capable of better graphics, more involved games and better battery life as well.

Touchscreen on the controller exists because Nintendo is still trying to pull of its goal it started on the Wii of getting people to check in on the system every day. And what they found is it is too much a pain the arse to turn on the tv, switch inputs, turnon the Wii, wait for it boot, navigate to correct channel and check out what you want to check out.

Now all is supposed to be easier. So the idea is more folks will read messages, check out the weather & news channel, surf maybe, etc if all you have to do is glance at the screen on the controller and touch it.

IT also makes for new gameplay experiences ala the DS.

Last many families share a tv screen. Kicking junior's game off the tv and onto his controller when DAd wants to watch the football game is going to be a big sellling point.


Oh and maybe Wii U can get around its 3rd party death sentence scheduled 2-3 years after it launches or when the next xbox and ps3 come out by making itself powerful enough to do 720p ports of presumably 1080p games on the next xbox and PS3.

Starting to sip some Wii U kool aid.

[Microshock]

Both Transformers movies suck. I grew up with the original cartoon and it sucked too. The movies suck because they're all about explosions and effects. They do focus primarily on the humans while the original focused mainly on the robots. The 2nd one is also a piece of racist garbage. I don't know why they think minorities exist purely for comic relief and mockery. Michael Bay is a piece of shit director and I don't care what Hot Fuzz has to say about it.

No, they suck to YOU because they're all about explosions and effects. It's a freaking Michael Bay movie, don't even whine because you had no idea what you were getting into.

The second one was racist? Because of two robots that were more of a joke on white people trying to act black? You sound like one of those idiotic critics who have nothing better to do but nitpick stupid shit like that to make you sound smarter.

Don't watch the third one. You won't enjoy it. Meanwhile, me and the millions of others who will watch it will have fun.

LOL I can't wait to be labeled the Transformers fanboy on the show.

[RichMeisterMan]

Have you guys seen the preview for the new Transformers movie? My situation with the 2nd movie is exactly like Cheapy's; tried to watch it but just didn't give a shit. It was total garbage it seemed to just be capitalizing on the Transformers name and blockbuster presence.

The next one looks pretty awesome though. That big ass snake thing tearing through that building made my asshole pucker when I saw it. And if it means anything I heard Michael Bay say this was by far is favorite of the 3 movies on paper and even made reference to the 2nd movie being shit.

[CheapyD]

I'm so glad Wombat said something about Cheapy's Apple slurping. How many iPhone games do you think Cheapy even owns?
I looked it up: 98.

[atreyue]

No, they suck to YOU because they're all about explosions and effects. It's a freaking Michael Bay movie, don't even whine because you had no idea what you were getting into.

The second one was racist? Because of two robots that were more of a joke on white people trying to act black? You sound like one of those idiotic critics who have nothing better to do but nitpick stupid shit like that to make you sound smarter.

Don't watch the third one. You won't enjoy it. Meanwhile, me and the millions of others who will watch it will have fun.

LOL I can't wait to be labeled the Transformers fanboy on the show.

I knew exactly what I was getting into and still watched both in the theater. I watch tons of popcorn movies and have seen almost all of Bay's films IN THE THEATER. Doesn't mean I think he's a good director, or that he's made much of an effort to put decent stories into any of the Transformers movies so far. As for the 2nd one being racist, I'm black and can recognize when someone's trying to make fun of white people trying to act black. I was offended by the twins because they weren't trying to act black. They were the director and writers' vision of black autobots and they thought their blackness was comedy relief. But maybe you can find another racial stereotype transformer in either of the 2 movies. While you're at it, you can also list the characters in both of the movies that are there solely to be laughed at that weren't minorities. Outside of Sam's parents, you won't be able to come up with any. In fact, the only minority I can think of that wasn't there to be laughed at in the movies was Tyrese's character. If recognizing that they thought it would be funny to say that the black autobots can't read is nitpicking, then wow. You won't have to wait for the show for someone to call you a fanboy. Although I think it may be more accurate to call you a poser.

[Microshock]

I knew exactly what I was getting into and still watched both in the theater. I watch tons of popcorn movies and have seen almost all of Bay's films IN THE THEATER. Doesn't mean I think he's a good director, or that he's made much of an effort to put decent stories into any of the Transformers movies so far. As for the 2nd one being racist, I'm black and can recognize when someone's trying to make fun of white people trying to act black. I was offended by the twins because they weren't trying to act black. They were the director and writers' vision of black autobots and they thought their blackness was comedy relief. But maybe you can find another racial stereotype transformer in either of the 2 movies. While you're at it, you can also list the characters in both of the movies that are there solely to be laughed at that weren't minorities. Outside of Sam's parents, you won't be able to come up with any. In fact, the only minority I can think of that wasn't there to be laughed at in the movies was Tyrese's character. If recognizing that they thought it would be funny to say that the black autobots can't read is nitpicking, then wow. You won't have to wait for the show for someone to call you a fanboy. Although I think it may be more accurate to call you a poser.

Funny, because the MAIN HUMAN CHARACTER is a clumsy, bumbling white guy! But no, pretend like these movies are racist. Sure.

[atreyue]

Funny, because the MAIN HUMAN CHARACTER is a clumsy, bumbling white guy! But no, pretend like these movies are racist. Sure.

I'll say it again. Almost all of the minorities exist solely to be laughed at. The clumsy bumbling white guy is the hero with plenty of serious moments. The 1st black autobot rapped & danced the entire time until he was torn to pieces, which I think was the only autobot casualty in the 1st film (not that I think him dying is racist). The 2nd & 3rd black characters had gold teeth, spoke terrible english, were illiterate and were womanizers. The middle eastern guy and the latino guy are also only the butt of jokes throughout both movies. But this is all only a coincidence. It doesn't say anything at all that the people who made the movie thought that audiences would enjoy laughing at the stereotype of black people that the twins were supposed to represent. Definitely not. I'm just reaching so I can try to feel smart because I want to be a critic. Yet you're the one who has to throw out lame excuses to try to explain away the twins. It doesn't make you a racist if you enjoyed the movie. Nor does the racism inherent in the depiction of the twins make the movie suck. You don't have to defend these things because you want to justify how much you like the movie. I love Cop Out and Live Free or Die Hard, and I'm not ashamed of it. Transformers 2 sucks because the story is terrible. I'll give a pass on the acting, because I don't expect Shakespeare from summer blockbusters. But the plot was terrible. The end.

[banodyne]

Wombat calling out Cheapy's man-crush on Apple was hilarious. Cheapy has drunk so much Apple Kool Aid he can't even tell anymore.Apple Kool Aid:
http://youtu.be/QwTQvpHGA1U

[Microshock]

I'll say it again. Almost all of the minorities exist solely to be laughed at. The clumsy bumbling white guy is the hero with plenty of serious moments. The 1st black autobot rapped & danced the entire time until he was torn to pieces, which I think was the only autobot casualty in the 1st film (not that I think him dying is racist). The 2nd & 3rd black characters had gold teeth, spoke terrible english, were illiterate and were womanizers. The middle eastern guy and the latino guy are also only the butt of jokes throughout both movies. But this is all only a coincidence. It doesn't say anything at all that the people who made the movie thought that audiences would enjoy laughing at the stereotype of black people that the twins were supposed to represent. Definitely not. I'm just reaching so I can try to feel smart because I want to be a critic. Yet you're the one who has to throw out lame excuses to try to explain away the twins. It doesn't make you a racist if you enjoyed the movie. Nor does the racism inherent in the depiction of the twins make the movie suck. You don't have to defend these things because you want to justify how much you like the movie. I love Cop Out and Live Free or Die Hard, and I'm not ashamed of it. Transformers 2 sucks because the story is terrible. I'll give a pass on the acting, because I don't expect Shakespeare from summer blockbusters. But the plot was terrible. The end.

Ha ha look at you trying to be all hurt by a movies supposed stereotypes. Seriously, cry some more. You didn't know what you were getting into, your fault, the end.

[atreyue]

Ha ha look at you trying to be all hurt by a movies supposed stereotypes. Seriously, cry some more. You didn't know what you were getting into, your fault, the end.

So the twins weren't stereotypes? I thought you said they were intended to make fun of stereotypes. Hmmmm... nah, you're right. I was just way in over my head. I hoped they ould make at least decent mov ies and they didn't. I don't lower my standards because of the genre. I see every comic book movie in the theater too, hoping it will be good. Sometimes I'm happily surprised. Sometimes not. But I never try to convince myself that I have to like a certain movie because I'm a gamer or whatever. I leave that to the tools.

[Thomas96]

After the show I was thinking that duke nukem was dead. But I think that there is still a possibility that a great duke nukem game could be made. I find it ironic that they have gearbox who made great game - borderlands, that had no main character, and you have 3d realms who has a iconic main character and essentially no game. Send duke nukem to borderlands and let duke and clap run wild. borderlands has the guns, the enemies, the supporting cast, a great game engine, all it truly needed was a main character. I don't thin that the game should be first person, it will need to be 3rd person.

[WhipSmartBanky]

Let's make this shit happen.

[x caponed x]

Gamefly boxes already exist.

http://technologizer.com/2009/08/05/hands-on-with-gameflys-g-box-kiosk/

God know where you find them. Supposedly they're on a bunch of college campuses, but I'm sure they've expanded since the last I've read up on them.

[The Great BM]

I never thought that the humans overpowered the Transformers movies. People need someone in the movie to relate to, and Optimus Prime is not a relatable guy.

Also, this thing with the fighting? Come on. That's just a silly excuse, it's VERY easy to tell who is fighting who and see the fight in general. Don't sit two rows from the screen.

See, you're nitpicking so hard that you've even had to fall back on the "they're using GM cars" argument. Something that you shouldn't even pay attention to.
You give a free pass to GI Joe for being so bad because "the cartoons were like that" but Transformers is somehow worse than the cartoons.

But whatever, its your opinion. Still clouded by nostalgia but your opinion nonetheless.

I'm more inclined to agree with this. However, like Ship said, neither of these films are good. At this point it really doesn't matter whether you base your opinion on how close it is to the source material or the film's quality, so people should just salvage whatever enjoyment they can out of either movie in their own way.

[Curufinwe]

LOL I can't wait to be labeled the Transformers fanboy on the show.

You're really more of an apologist for obvious racism in Transformers 2 and should be labeled as such.

[Sir_Fragalot]

To the comment on Suda 51 games. I feel that a lot of people have the attraction to Suda 51 like they do with you guys with Child of Eden and Rez.

It's not that Suda 51 can do no wrong, it's just his style he brings to games offer something appealing to a very niche audience and I am sure if Suda 51 made a terrible game, people would notice by not buying it.

[Microshock]

You're really more of an apologist for obvious racism in Transformers 2 and should be labeled as such.

Sorry I'm not a whiny sensitive "critic" trying to be politically correct. It was making FUN of the stereotype. I'm not even saying I liked those characters, they weren't good but they're hardly racist.

[atreyue]

Sorry I'm not a whiny sensitive "critic" trying to be politically correct. It was making FUN of the stereotype. I'm not even saying I liked those characters, they weren't good but they're hardly racist.

The issue is that you have absolutely no basis for your claim that they were making fun of the stereotype. You can't point to any other examples of racial stereotypes that they are making fun of in either of the movies to back it up. You obviously just want to explain it away.

[Microshock]

The issue is that you have absolutely no basis for your claim that they were making fun of the stereotype. You can't point to any other examples of racial stereotypes that they are making fun of in either of the movies to back it up. You obviously just want to explain it away.

And you just want to claim it's a racist movie. So really, I think my solution is better.

[WhipSmartBanky]

This is why we can't have nice things.

[atreyue]

And you just want to claim it's a racist movie. So really, I think my solution is better.

I think the portrayal of the twins is racist and my proof is all the racial things they (and they alone) do in the movie. I don't need to make claims because the movie does it for me. Your "solution" to this is to claim that there's another subtext that you provide no evidence of, instead just saying that I and anyone who agrees with me isn't cool enough to "get it". If that's what passes for logic for you, then more power to you.

[dante_calypso]

Wait a minute... people still rent games?

[Microshock]

I think the portrayal of the twins is racist and my proof is all the racial things they (and they alone) do in the movie. I don't need to make claims because the movie does it for me. Your "solution" to this is to claim that there's another subtext that you provide no evidence of, instead just saying that I and anyone who agrees with me isn't cool enough to "get it". If that's what passes for logic for you, then more power to you.

Nothing I do will make people have fun at the movies. People just need to relax sometimes. There's thinking movies, and shit that blows up movies. Transformers is more of the latter.

I know there's dumb jokes in them. I know that the writing isn't exactly Oscar-worthy. But I have fun.

So really, I'm sorry people take this stuff so seriously. Movies are a form of entertainment. And that's my final post on this thread :D Sorry for all the posts

Oh and Shia is my second man crush, right behind Daniel Craig.

[BrandonMills]

Apple has yet to really hit it out of the park for Apple TV. Personally, the only people who I know who have Apple TVs are my dyed-in-the-wool Apple fans. I think it's been met with lukewarm reactions at best with both releases. What reason is there to own an Apple TV that hasn't been done on countless other devices?

[KRATOS]

renting games from the redbox is really awesome if you're getting a really short game for a night and not have to shell out full retail for a game that you could probably beat in a day.

[GOTA]

All sorts of rumors that Go Daddy is about to get sold to a private equity firm. Does that mean that the Go Daddy ads on the CAGcast will go bye-bye?

Wombat better get selling

[Mayday]

One thing I learned from reading this weeks thread. You're all fucking crazy.

[WhipSmartBanky]

One thing I learned from reading this weeks thread. You're all fucking crazy.

Wait until CAGpoopComic, aka CheapyD and his Shitty Friends.

[echerney]

While he certainly has worked hard to earn his fame and fortune (and shares it benevolently with his CAG minions), I think the time may have come for Cheapy to change his moniker. Since AppleD may infringe on Black Eyed Peas member apl.de.ap (Really? WTF??), I split my vote between HaterD, EnlightenedD, and BourgeoisieD.

On a serious note, I enjoyed the Cagcast as always and am glad to hear that Ship is on the road to recovery. Keep up the good work and the poop jokes.

[msdmoney]

So Cheapy, what do you think of Apple as a company?

[noobie_noobster]

cheapy, you sir are a treat,i enjoy you ignoring wombats terrible jokes it really makes the jokes funny when you ignore them. P.S iphones are the Wii's of the smartphone world, all show and a generation too late.

[jkanownik]

Just wanted to say that Transformers 2 is the worst movie ever made. Any movie that doesn’t destroy childhood memories and isn’t patently offensive to normal human beings and at least ten different minority groups is out of contention. I just had this discussion this weekend after viewing the trailer for the new Twilight movie.

[yobak3r]

The only thing as annoying as cheapy's apple dickriding (seriously, does cheapy hear himself talk? He sounds like the situation at an ab convention) is wombat's attempt to act like he knows about the iphone when he doesnt have one. How can you know there aren't good games when you dont own the device? You're just adding to your stigma of constantly being wrong and acting like your an expert about subjects you know nothing about. Just let ship and cheapy discuss it until you get an iphone (if you ever do).

Good show Shipwreck!

[Wombat]

The only thing as annoying as cheapy's apple dickriding (seriously, does cheapy hear himself talk? He sounds like the situation at an ab convention) is wombat's attempt to act like he knows about the iphone when he doesnt have one. How can you know there aren't good games when you dont own the device? You're just adding to your stigma of constantly being wrong and acting like your an expert about subjects you know nothing about. Just let ship and cheapy discuss it until you get an iphone (if you ever do).

Good show Shipwreck!

I have an iPod touch. I have played enough games on it to make a decision.

[Zaku77]

I have been referring to the new Joystiq 'cast as the Chris Grant show since I first listened to it, as funny as it was to hear you lot do it too, some royalties are going to have to be paid.....

[rteg48]

Whatever happened to the monthly Raptr updates?

[yobak3r]

I have an iPod touch. I have played enough games on it to make a decision.

Isn't it your wife's ipod touch? Either way, what counts as "enough" games to say there are NO games on it worthy of being played on a tv? Im not trying to say you need to have played every single game, I'm just saying statements like that make you sound like a douche. Correct me if I'm wrong but i doubt you play with the ipod very often, let alone play every good game that comes out. Leave the people who play a lot of iphone games to judge if there are any good ones.

Btw, thanks for the reply, a lot of other podcast hosts wouldnt care enough to.